WEBVTT - Posdnuos of De La Soul 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:23.320 The Quest Love Show is a production of iHeartRadio, Ladies 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:28.640 and gentlemen. My name is Questlove. This is the Quest 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:33.960 Love Show. It's not often that one gets a career 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.760 that enables him to write his own ticket and fulfill 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:43.879 a bunch of bucketless dreams, of which creating this very 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:48.320 platform to nerd out on some of my favorite people 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:54.800 in creativity. Our guest today is absolutely no exception. His 0:00:55.120 --> 0:01:03.960 creativity is so strong, so stringent, so powerful that it 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.039 actually inspired my best friend and not in high school, 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.880 to start our own group. Not many people can claim that, Look, man, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:18.679 I canna say? Is that Kelvin Passus Mercer has agreed 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:28.119 to let me ask him eighty six questions? Number one, 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:29.800 how you doing today? 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.160 Sir? What's good? Man? I mean, thank you for the intro, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.399 because you know, Bro, I mean sometimes I when I'm 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.000 blessed to hear you say things like that, I already 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.399 view our relationship as brothers and friends, so you know, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.440 I sometimes have to look through you like okay, yeah, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.840 maybe this is how when I talk to Jeff, but 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.800 when I go to the phone, like damn, that's Jessey Jeff. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.280 But I'm his friends, so I won't make it weird. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.600 At all. It's a blessing. But you know, wait a minute, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.160 is he talking about me because I'm his homeboy? 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.880 But anyway, I got to start. Could you please tell 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.560 me how you met true Roy the Dove day Jallaker 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:12.760 from day La Saul. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:18.320 Well, when I moved to Long Island from the Bronx 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.600 and started going to school, the first two people I met. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.639 The first person I met was a girl named Regina Peters, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.799 and the very second person I met in school who 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.679 was so cool to me was a brother by the 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.480 name of Michael Jollichor, which is Dave's brother. So that's 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.400 how I got to know Dave. I was actually friends 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.440 with his brother Mike, and I would see Dave from afar, 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.240 you know, like, oh that's you know, that's that's Mike's 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.200 brother Dave. So I mean, this is me and Mike 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.600 in fourth grade. I didn't really get cool with Dave 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.800 where I knew him as like Dave, maybe more towards 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.880 like eighth grade. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.120 I'm about to say, when you're younger, when someone's like 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.919 two or three years younger than you, that's a whole 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:07.000 nother generation pretty much. So he was like a little 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.240 kid to you and then selling like he just grew up. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:10.040 And then. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.360 Him and Mike were very close, even though like he's 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.520 the older brother, he was very close. I mean older 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.960 by what, I don't know, two years maybe, but they 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.480 were very close. But like I said, it was just 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.880 that Dave had his set of friends, and you know, 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.680 like if I was coming around, it was because of Mike. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.160 It really wasn't because of Dave at all. So I 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.600 would see Dave day would just see me basically because 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:36.840 Mike had brought me around. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.160 So we should also know that Mike was also like 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.760 a legendary tour manager. I first met Mike because he 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.520 was tour managing a common Like was he you guys 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.560 just tour manager when you first started. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:53.160 Or he was our road manager starting from about eighty 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.000 nine when ll so, yeah, he started out as our 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.440 road manager, yeah, and just worked his way into like 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.520 doing it and touring tour managing for other artists. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.840 So how did you meet Vincent Mason mas. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:14.080 Mace in school? I mean he moved from Brooklyn. I 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.599 just saw him in the school or see around because 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.039 he was just he's just stood out. You know a 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.919 lot of times when someone new come to the school 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.279 that it is standout immediately. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:24.400 And what school was this? 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.800 Amityville Junior High. So this was junior high school. And 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.880 you know, Mace was a fairly big guy, so I 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.839 was like, you do it. I'm just assuming he was 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.880 going to be in migrat and he was actually like 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.480 a grade below. So yeah, I mean we but we 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.200 didn't talk for the first time until we met through 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.960 a mutual friend of ours who he was actually the 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.840 first DJ that me and Dave was dealing with, named 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.040 Charlie Rock, and that's how we met Mace to actually 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.280 have conversations with him. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:58.560 So what was the difference between Long Island life versus 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.920 life in the Bronx. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.159 Well, I mean, for me, the immediate difference was the 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.360 difference between a project building and in houses and in 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.919 green grass. But even when I was living in Nelson 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.800 Avenue in the Bronx, I mean, it was a lot 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.240 of community. You were kind of really close around each other. 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.720 So luckily enough the kids we all commune together, and 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.440 the parents was really nice to us. But I had 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.200 got an understanding of what say open air living was 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.279 when my mother would send me and my brothers to Waynesboro, 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.200 Georgia every summer. We never spent the summer in the Bronx, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.760 so by the time they was moving us to Long Island, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.360 it was like a similar feel of like, oh houses space, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.400 you know you have a backyard, you got a front yard, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:50.160 So that was the major difference immediately, and then being 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.840 able to just I guess my mother feel like it 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.320 was safe for us to not being her eyes view. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.279 So when we was in the Bronx, we would play 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:03.160 like downstairs and main area where every parent can see 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.880 their kids. Like my mother was felt cool enough for 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.200 me to ride my bike off of the block right. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.720 He was also something that was just afforded with him 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:12.520 Long Island. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.760 Any recollection or memories of any of the folk lore 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.440 that the Bronx speaks on in their early years, like 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.760 any block parties or have you heard a yes, yes 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:23.800 y'all from you know? 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.320 Honestly, no, I didn't see that. I didn't see hip 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:34.200 hop block parties. I mean the Jamaican brothers in our building, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.479 like they could turn around and have speakers out, or 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.920 you can hear music playing loud like that, But I 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.840 personally didn't see any like Bronx block party. Nah. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.840 So at any point in the day I sold timeline. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.919 Were you and Dave ever at any point just regular 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:59.920 ass yes, yes, y'all. MC's like and I'm here to say, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.200 has that ever been like your second line in any 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.159 rhyme you've ever said? 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.760 Just like all of us getting bit by the hip 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.240 hop bug. From the earlier days of it, it was 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.120 just more being a listener. But by the time I 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.640 really wanted to pick up a pen and do it, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:20.400 I was already bitten by Treacherous Three and how their 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.960 cadences were. So No, I really wasn't like, yes, yes, 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:28.800 y'all into the beat, not like sires of the phone, creative, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.720 a new tone. It's so much you put your trust 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.920 in a sound and style. That's how I started rhyming. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.640 I was like, all right, see you're a cool with 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:43.840 the disciphle. Yeah, how social word you guys before the 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.880 concept of hey, let's start a group, social and like 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:54.000 just being friends and hanging. You know, when I met Tarik, 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.320 I'll pretty much say that we were a group maybe 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.880 three months later, I mean, or at least my job 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.200 was to hit the lunch table. Yeah, And that's how 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.920 gained access with it. So like was music the immediate 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.720 social adhesions that brought you guys together. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:16.480 Or before Dayla. It was more like we were just 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.920 doing it. Like like I said, everyone was bitten by 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:24.920 this bug and I was like breaking popping, and you know, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.280 it was almost at one point, me, Dave and a 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.520 couple other friends. One of our friends, Anthony Bryant his 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.920 pops was trying to put us together to possibly going 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.320 to Apollo and he was gonna dance and pops. Yeah, 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.120 it was stuff like that going on. We didn't really 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.720 say we wanted to be a group or try some 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.800 hip hop group thing until Dave, who was just into 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.440 be boxing, he be boxed against a really well known 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.280 be box called Paul Paul Carry. He was really dope 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.480 at beat boxing and Dave just kind of back him 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.040 and it was like right from there, like Dave was 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.560 really nervous, but he did his thing, and then we 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.360 all went outside and we was like, yo, that was 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.480 so dope, and we was like, we should form a group. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.520 And that's when the first time we even pictured anything 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.400 about let's be a group outside of us being a 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:19.440 fan of just the music. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.160 Was Dale I sold the name of that group or 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.600 did you go through other iterations before it was. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.080 Called easy Street. I wanted to get to be called 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.760 Sop Sounds because I was already writing and just thinking 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.360 of different different names because it was just something I 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.840 would do. And so when we were just thinking of 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.520 like a name for the group, and this is us 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.720 outside of the high school, just thinking like what could 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.959 we do, we was like, Yo, let's what kind of name. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.920 I was like, Yo, we should call ourselves Sop Sounds. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.000 And then I explained to them like yeah, you know, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.800 my mother always be like, yo, you better sop up 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.000 that syrup and that plate. So I was like, yo, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.240 we are all these different sounds would sop together. And 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.199 everyone was like, nah, merce that that doesn't sound not 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.960 like Yo, let's call ourselves easy Street. I thought that 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.200 was the wackest shit ever, but everyone loved it. Everyone's like, yeah, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.160 easy Street. And that was Dave being a B box, 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.520 me being a DJ, my people's Anthony, my people's Rob, 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.880 and my people's KD. His name was Kelvin two. They 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.440 were the MC's. So that's how that was the first group. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.200 Me and Dave was in Easy Street. And even Dave 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:33.560 be boxing and me cutting, we was even still putting 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.559 together rhymes to give to them to say as they 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:37.880 even wrote their own rhymes. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.000 Okay, can you tell me the story of how you 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.040 met Paul Houston Prince Paul. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.439 Paul was the cousin of the first girl I told 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.640 you I met the first person I met in high school, 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.240 which was Regina Peters. Soon you just moved Paul from Afarm. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:59.720 Paul was just very cool, very intelligent guy who could 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.360 just DJ is asshole. He was just a great DJ 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.440 in the neighborhood. So just knew him from Afar. I 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.760 think he was a He was probably in the same 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.840 grade or maybe A no, the same grade as my 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.880 brother Tyrone. So yeah, I mean just knew him from Afar. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.199 And so me and Regina being really good friends, I 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.560 found out, oh that's her cousin, and even he he 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.720 DJ like one of her birthday parties that we would 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.040 be at. So we just knew Paul like as like, Yo, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.640 that's Paul, you know, that's he was really cool. But 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:34.160 that was DJ Prince Paul from Afar. You know. I 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.920 must say I probably didn't even meet him where we 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:43.800 exchanged anything between each other until Mace got with Paul 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.000 to work with him on something that a gentleman on 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.560 my block. His name was mister Evertt Collins, and he 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:56.520 was the tour drummer for Eisley Brothers as well as 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.000 a music teacher. So once Mace was working with Paul 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.800 on that, he was the one who then introduced me 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.040 and Dave de Paul. And I think Dave actually knew Paul, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.120 but I didn't know him, like Paul knew my brother Tyrone, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:11.960 and he knew me as like, oh, that's Tyrone's little 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.959 brother Kelvin, and I knew now. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.000 On the the thirty fifth anniversary of three FID and Rising, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:26.160 you guys included the original plug tuning and also the 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.960 original freedom of speak what equipment? And that was done 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.440 without Prince Paul, Like that was just you guys on 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.160 your own. Yeah, how did you guys make that? Like 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.000 what what equipment did you use? 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.640 I think it was an RZ one Mace had. He 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.920 had the drum, the RZ one drum machine. We also 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.199 had this, uh oh man, what's the name of it. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:49.640 I know it was I want to say, We had 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.040 like this tac I think that's the way you say it, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:56.160 a track recorder. And then we also had the little 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.000 cassio with the sample where you could sample into it. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.560 I think me and you we spoke about this before. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.480 But the little cassio with the keyboards and had to like. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.360 The s K one yeah you go, oh no, no, no, 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.480 the one with the four drum pads on it, the 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.200 four drugs. That's a more advanced version. Okay. Was this 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:17.760 eighty six or eighty seven you're speaking of? Yeah, eighty 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.640 six okay. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.160 I don't know. Maybe I think it was the pad 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.480 one we had so yeah, because we were putting noises 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.199 in that, because that's where I first even did the 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.840 three is the magic number for the demo. I would 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.320 just just keep hitting it and in mace we would 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:39.640 loop the the beat from what was that? No, well, no, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.959 we took it from the hip hop history lesson three 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:45.880 double Dan Steinsky. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.360 Oh okay, I got it, okay. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.880 Which was, like you said, the led Zeppelin drums. But yeah, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.720 I mean it was just those things we was working 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.800 with for in the house. It was very limited equipment. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.080 We thought it was the most amazing equipment at that time. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.960 And you know, you know, we would just redub. We 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.280 would do one take of something and dub over the 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.880 next take, and yeah, it is that simple. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.360 What was it about Paul. That showed you guys that 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.960 you guys spoke the same language, and you know what 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.800 was the basic process and just pushing the train along 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.920 to let's be a group, to let's make a demo, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.680 to let's try to get a record deal. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.040 Well, once Paul heard the demos, you know, it was 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.000 great to have him hear it, because, mind you, at 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.600 this point, this is DJ. This is now Prince Paul. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.280 It's not DJ Paul. This is Principle now with stet 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.600 and you know, and they already got like a single out, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.880 you know, rockdale O'steto already went into their first album. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:48.080 So at that point, you figure all wanted to meet 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.080 with me, Dave, along with Mace and so from that 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.840 point I was just very in awe of it all. 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.800 But I was still very skeptic when he was just 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:01.040 talking about wanting to now add stuff and to whatever 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.840 these things that we had started to create on our own. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.760 You know, these are just forty fives out of our 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.280 own home that went from a pause tape to now 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.440 what's working on in mace basement. Were very proud of it, 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.520 and we was very happy to now that Paul wanted 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.720 to be a part of it. I remember him having 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.640 that conversation like, you know, I would love to try 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.520 to add some stuff to it, and da da dah, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.680 and I in my heart I was like, I don't 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.840 know if I'm with all that, but let's see where 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.320 it goes. And when he added what he added, when 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.640 he updated everything, it was absolutely mind blowing. And then 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.000 even then it wasn't until like us like really just 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:39.000 hanging around each other amongst this time he heard some 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.280 of the other stuff he was doing, which were the skits. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.040 This us just having fun. It wasn't even skits does 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.280 It was just when we were just lacking off supposed 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:47.840 to be doing what we was doing and were just 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.280 having fun being idiots. And Paul was just like, yo, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.560 you know, look what I do with my friends. And 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.240 he put in THEO VH tape of him over dubbing 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.560 him and his friend's voice over like cares. That is 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.760 where I was like, Yo, this dude is like us, 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.960 Like he's exactly like us. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.640 Wait, he would do that just to do it. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.280 Yeah, they were like literally put both clubs of the 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.680 karate tapes like ooh, you stole my doodle, and it 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.360 was time to fight. And he would do stuff like that. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.720 So he would have been amazing on Instagram and YouTube 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:26.240 had that been indeed in twenty five years early. Okay, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.080 and you know, mind you, I know that I'm rehashing 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.440 stuff that we've talked about personally, but we've never been 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.800 on this platform to speak of it. All Right, this 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.080 is the most mind blowing thing. Could you give me 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.960 what the budget was to record the entire Three Feet 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:44.080 High and Rising album? 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.240 It was like thirteen thousand dollars. It's like eleven thirteen 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:50.040 thousand dollars. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:55.280 Okay, Like I think maybe the distortion is static, like 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.080 Bob Power's budget for mixing might have been like half that. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.960 So I was just mind blown that you guys were 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:06.800 able to make an entire revolution in such a limited 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.679 financial capacity. Did you think that was fairly typical backven 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.080 or did you know, like a camo on an independent label? 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.840 And because in our mind we're like, yeah, yeah, the 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.800 Tommy Boy umbrella. So I'm thinking you guys are lighting 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.280 up cigars one hundred dollar bills, and. 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.080 I mean, in mind, you humbly, we had no idea, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.320 you know, right, Tommy Boy was one of those labels 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.320 that just the logo alone, meant something to you the 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.359 way the deaf Jam logo meant something to you, you 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.879 know what I'm saying. So, and we were blessed to 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.119 have all these different labels wrought to sign us. But 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.280 we felt comfortable being with Tommy Boy because they were 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.800 like in I'm on a premium label of hip hop, 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.800 and Prince Paul, our big brother, was there. So, I mean, 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.800 when we got the budget we had, we didn't know 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.560 any better. We didn't know, I mean, you know, and 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.560 and being very honest, we're like, we're kids from a 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.600 you know, fairly middle class, working, middle class family. You know, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.400 we had good living, but we thought thirteen thousand dollars 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.199 a lot of money, so, you know, and whatever we 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.760 had to do, what we had to do. Paul was 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.440 very aware of, I'm assuming of whatever budget he had 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.800 with stets of Sonic, and he was very aware of, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.679 like when we were going to Calliope as creative and 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:27.080 as beautiful, Paul made the environment. Paul was very much 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:28.880 to the clock. He was like, you know, he would 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.120 look like, all right, we need to wrap things up 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.840 or so he was. He was very aware and very 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.280 frugal of what we do to spend. But yeah, you know, 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.919 I had no idea that thirteen thousand dollars is nothing, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.000 whereas of course, like these days, I mean you asking 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.720 an MC to run for thirteen thousand dollars, that's probably 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:46.520 like four lines. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.560 The thing is is that, especially with the first two records, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:56.040 you guys really make it sound like you lived in 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.320 that environment. So I can't even fathom like everything has 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.040 to be made and created in one specific space simply 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.199 because like even the way that you guys make the 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.240 skits sound, you guys make the skit sound very off 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.720 the cuff, although when you listen to those skits, they're 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.960 also like well craft and well produced, Like when it's 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.320 the Roots, we will be at sound check and then 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.080 Tubo wear something real ugly or whatever, and then we'll 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.239 break out in the song and make fun of him 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.560 for five minutes. But you know, it's like us making 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.560 it off the cuff, and you guys make it feel 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.800 like it's off the cuff. Although I know a lot 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.560 of planning goes into those skits, and I just always wondered, 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.919 like how much time it's been a calliope is calliope 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.720 just for vocals? And then you guys have a sort 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.960 of a home based center in which the tape or 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.520 the mic is always running in case something funny happens, 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.919 it goes or we knew. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.080 Like we had a plan for what we need to do. 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.760 We had, you know, Paul will give homework assignments like 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.480 so yo, okay, got this song that looks like y'all 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.480 want to call ghetto things or merse and Dave, you 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.280 need to make sure you got this ready for that. Honestly, 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.520 that first album, a lot of that was just off 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.359 the cuff with the skits. By the time we got 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.760 to day La Soul, it was more like, Okay, we're 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.400 going to plan you know, I got this funny idea 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.600 for a site, you know, so I mean like a 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.040 lot of things like say day La Soul orgy. It 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.840 was just Paul already had to beat looped. We were 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.920 just trying to figure out what we could do with it. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.440 I make a joke and be like we should moan 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.639 and groan over it. He's like, that's a great idea. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.239 I was only joking. We all now have to go 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:43.000 into the booth moaning, groan, Wait a minute hour. One 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.720 of our dancers and Dave's cousins there y'all coming as 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.080 the girls and do this your tip coming with us. 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.679 Then out of nowhere we get Daylight Orgie. So a 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.760 lot of that was just it was not planned for 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.040 the three feet high joint by the time we got 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.000 to Daylight. So it's dead. Yeah, like you said, like 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.560 we knew we want to make this song called Kicked 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.080 out the House, and that comes up with to be 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:08.040 at Home. We come in, they comes with the chorus 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.280 and then we're like, yo, we should get Bobby the 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.159 drummer from stet to act like he's Colonel Abrams and 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.000 everyone's laughing, and he does it like that's where you 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:17.760 do it a little bit more of the magic of 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:19.919 on the puff. You're still playing. 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.560 To me, it's like you might lose the funny if 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.199 you plan it. Okay, press play and then it's like, 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.800 all right, well the joke's over now. But it just 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.240 always felt like the tape is running now. 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.480 It could be because, like I said, with day Laso 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.560 is dead, Dave just happened to be bugging out on 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.359 the piano. I'm sitting down like on a far couch 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.280 and calliope and he's just on the piano, just doing 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.959 stupid shit. And out of nowhere, Paul is just like 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.399 he's signaling the engineer, like what the mike on, and 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.159 then he's just kind of sitting next to him, and 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:54.640 that becomes. 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.000 Mike's always set up in the live studio. 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.160 Like it just set up, so he just told him 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.560 to turn the mic on and they didn't realize that 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.000 what was happening. And next thing, I know, that becomes 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:06.880 the skit that goes in front of the biddies. 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.880 And okay, I got it. Okay, what was the very 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.080 first song worked on for three f HI and rising 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.400 aside from pluck tuning, like a lot of. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.960 That was just stuff at home, so blug tuning, Freedom 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:21.960 Must Speak. All that was done at the same time 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.560 at the crib, and then of course we came into 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.760 Calliope to do it. I would say the next song 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.639 once we like got an album deal, because yeah, the 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:33.919 next album was, I mean the next single deal was 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.480 Potholes and Jennifer. I don't know, I want to say 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:40.320 for some reason, I want to say say no go, 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.280 we just kind of start all falling out of it. 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.760 If it was already ideas at that point we had, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:47.879 like I knew, I want to do something with the 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.159 Hall of Notes record. I knew I wanted to do 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.640 something with the Steely Dan record, you know, and then 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:55.399 we just started putting these things together. 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:59.040 Got it okay? So this album is also being made 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:05.320 pre pro tools access. So when you guys are doing 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:09.960 things like the Chopsticks bit on Jennifer, is this the 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:14.879 era of having to splice tape or are you guys 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.160 like the Bomb Squad in which you know by bar 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:21.480 sixty four you gotta go down to twenty two bpms 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.440 or is it like, what is the editing process? 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:29.440 The editing for that particular song. It wasn't edit of 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:34.400 us putting in the Chopsticks but versus biddies into BK Lounge. 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.640 It was just all chaos, like things was lined up 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.359 and you know by the time Dave finished his because 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:44.240 it was like, Okay, I want to do this song. 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.280 I told I. Remember I'm with Tip, we were shopping 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:48.920 for records. I'm like, yo, I want to do like 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.479 a roxhand rock sand like UTFO have to three beats. 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.240 I won't do that for us. It became what I 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.960 wanted to attach to, this idea of us making something 0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.520 about going into Burger King. So once we start putting 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:06.960 it together. Everything was just laid together. So Dave's music, 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.560 which was the Tanya Gardner No Frieze record, my music 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.360 which is what is that It's your thing, It's your thing, 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.439 and Mace's music, so like it was all lined up together. 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.000 And so we just kind of like had to realize, 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:23.000 all right, Dave, you ended it right there. We click 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.600 in the it's your thing. It don't sound right. So 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.000 we was like, okay, we got extended a little bit longer. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.159 Say something. He says, stupid bitches, and then all of 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:30.960 a sudden. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.639 I thought you were saying it spinding burg all right, 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.920 all right, I still thought he was saying spinding Broker 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.879 speaking a Burger from the beginning, but stupa bitches. 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.919 All a sudden, it works all right, cool, Like it 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:48.760 was just like just chaos, sweet chaos, like nothing like it. 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:54.080 Okay. So now that time has passed, the flow and 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:58.600 Eddie's situation with the Turtles. Of course, you guys are 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.480 part of the this Land Marenk situation in which a 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.199 sample wasn't cleared. And I guess the kids of the 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.760 Turtles were fans of you guys. Heard it, Mom and Dad, listen, 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.359 they're playing your music and suddenly they get litigious. The 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.439 lure of it, I was like to believe, like between 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.879 you guys in bismarcky, like those were the darkest days 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.240 in history and da da da da da. Was it 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.520 just basically we cleared the sample and that was it? 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.720 Or like I mean, at its worst, were you guys 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.480 suit for trillions or like I never knew what happened 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.240 at the end of that situation. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:35.520 It got settled. I was actually with our legal team 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:39.800 meeting with their legal team, their legal team, the Lee lawyer. 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:41.840 He was a big Day Off fan. He wanted to 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:46.040 autograph and everything. Oh yeah, it wasn't anything I mean 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.880 outside of realizing, okay, we're getting sued for something we 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.240 thought we handed not even that we thought we knew 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.000 we handed in the Tomic Boy. That in itself was 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:59.440 very upsetting to us. But yeah, the actual dealing with it, 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.400 it wasn't anything I would say crazy outside and realizing 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.840 that the meet up with these people, come to an 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:09.240 understanding of what it should be, which we wound up doing. 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.120 Tommy Boy want up paying them some money. I didn't 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.679 learn the fact that here it is the money that 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.000 Tommy Boy was going to pay them to settle. This 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.160 was going to come out of our shit. And then 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.399 that was another thing that kind of like made us 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.000 learn about Wow, like we're being punished with something we 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.359 actually handed in, you know, watch falls on us. But 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.160 the dude was cool about it. The lawyer, their lawyer, 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.360 and it didn't seem like he was being mean or anything. 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.400 He actually, in speaking to our lawyer, was like, if 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.440 the guys wanted to actually work with the turtles, maybe 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:42.760 that could be a solve, and we were just kind 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:44.800 of like creatively like, nah, we want to do that, 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.520 because if it was about that, maybe y'all should have 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.360 just led that. I just think like, nah, like now, 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.960 in hindsight, maybe that's what we should have did. We 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.399 just felt like, nah, man, like y'all just came and 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.439 try to sue us, and now you're getting this money, 0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.440 but now you're trying to work with us. Sense. 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.400 The way that I was shot for Records back then 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.840 was literally look at all the sample credits and then 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.280 no to get that artist, and then anything that they've 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.280 been on and anything they've been you know, so on 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.000 and so forth. So like on their side of the fence, 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.119 none of them saw this as like a good look. 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.399 I mean, look for George Clinton, he admitted, Dude, if 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.280 it weren't for y'all, the third Renaissance of Parliament Funkadelic 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.560 would have never happened. So he was glad to play ball. 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:28.920 But they didn't see it that way. 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:34.600 And I'm being very honest and very understanding of them. 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.200 I don't know what the members of Turtles want. I 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.480 can only do what the lawyer was saying. 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.680 So you guys never spoke to them personally, or never. 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.840 Spoke to them personally at them, This is just what 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.760 lawyer was saying. Maybe they weren't even involved. Even in 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:55.760 hindsight looking at it, I'm sure like they weren't heavily 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.000 involved in this is like it could have been the 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.000 record company making sure that the lawyers did with they 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:00.639 was supposed to do. 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.919 Dude, Why why was I know, never ever released in 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.920 the United States as a single. Because when the smoke clears, 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.520 when people talk about three ft hind and rising, the 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.800 first thing they mentioned, even before Haulling notes, but even 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.800 before the sketches and all that stuff is oh my god, 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.760 the rymen over Steely Dan. I fucking loved, Like, how 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.880 come you guys never released that here, only in Europe. 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.280 It was a Tommy Boy that was the label's decision. 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:33.600 I don't know, Like I don't know if they felt 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.280 like the album was run out of steam. I mean 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.800 even by the time we did Buddy, you know, and 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.480 we did this remix to Buddy that just ignited a 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.560 whole other level of what it could be. But I 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.200 loved that, I know. I mean, I'm being honest. I produced, 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.000 I know, so I would have loved to be what 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.040 it needed to be in the States, but we definitely 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:58.280 saw when we would performing what it would be there, 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:02.280 and I think Tommy Boy led with that understanding as well, 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.200 and that's why they only did it there. But I agree, 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.000 I would have loved to see that a release. But 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:12.040 if I am to be very honest, after having say 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.480 No go and didn't come with, I know, I think 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.640 that even we was at a point where it was like, Yo, 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.680 we're losing anyone who looks like this, you know, we 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.960 need we need Buddy like we That's I think that's 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:26.560 where it was even for us. 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:33.000 Okay, has jj fad ever responded to Daycratic, No. 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.240 Not at all. I mean, we did a lot of 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.360 shows with them, and it was the nicest girls and 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.920 funny enough. Even at the hip hop joint that you 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.480 were involved in. You know, we spoke with them and yeah, man, 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.440 we used to see them a lot back in the day, 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.200 even just being around n w A and them. Nah, 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.560 I mean they was really cool with us. We was 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.000 really cool with them. I don never think they saw 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:57.880 it as a disc and we we didn't. We did 0:29:58.040 --> 0:29:59.440 definitely even meet it as a disc. 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.840 You know, I didn't see it as a disc, but 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.920 I mean it's definitely referential. 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.160 To Supersonic, definitely right. 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:13.080 So Tommy Boy would often go heavy on the like 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:17.480 quirky contest things like guess that sample for whatever? Did 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.960 anyone ever win that ship? And what was the prize? 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:25.720 I don't know that, I'm being honest. I don't think 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.560 they It's almost like and I remember being in meetings 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.720 and in that particular meeting in Tom and Tom's like, 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.880 no one's gonna guess this pass, no one's gonna guess it. 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:36.440 I don't think. 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.640 I don't think they were off for like a thousand bucks, 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:41.400 like I guess no. 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:41.880 No. 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.040 I went like for a good two hours, I went 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.600 through my dad's entire record collection, like I'm gonna find 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.280 this ship and I didn't. 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.360 Like you know, and it's funny because, like you said 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.880 in today's time or you even if you scroll back, 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.120 I don't know, fifteen years like you got everyone who 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.239 will be like, yo, it's this is that nah? Like 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:03.400 back then, no one knew that? 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:07.920 Okay, so can you please tell us? I mean, I 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:09.920 know it's probably just to be silly, and I know 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:17.560 it wasn't any logic behind it, but the overkill of 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:22.720 Slick Rick's voice as sort of the connecting factor of 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:27.680 day La Souls Dead with his entire like lotty dotty 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.680 ending thing, like what was the genesis of the obsession? 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.520 And was that sample just always on standby when you 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.280 wanted to Was it like on the sk one, just 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.960 like in case someone wanted to use it? 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:43.120 It was pretty much I mean, like I'm being honest, 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.640 pretty much. It was just like we knew, like after 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.320 maybe the second time, it was just like, Yo, this 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.520 should be out. This would be funny if it just 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.680 be out the album and and you just Paul has 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:56.520 that Sentius to laugh like, Yo, this is this is 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.280 so stupid. This is be stupid. We gotta figure out 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.320 another place to put it, and so where it would 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:03.200 naturally feel right, we would do it. And so I 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.760 remember when Dave did it at the end of Oh 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.680 I Went, He was like, yo, merch, do it at 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:10.560 the end of your ride. Do it at the end 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:15.280 your run to the biddy to lashon, Like I feel 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.320 like this is yo, man. We were just. 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.680 So that that wasn't added in mastering or whatever like 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.840 that was oh oh go. 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:25.600 Right there in the studio. 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:29.960 Although yeah, okay, just for those who don't know, what 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:35.440 is the significance behind the title of you guys being plugs, Well. 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:40.280 Plugs started only from a fans We had to single 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.400 called plug tuning, and so with me being the one 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:48.240 saying plug one, Dave saying plug two, it wasn't that 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.800 wasn't anything by design. It was just like this we 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.400 wanted to start the record off on something, and that 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.600 was just even when Mace used to cut the record 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.440 as a routine, because you gotta remember plug tuning, it 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.640 was just a routine. We was also like the children 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.360 of like you know, the cold Crush, the Dougie Fresh 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.840 to slick Ricks. So we would up tuning routine in 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.120 the house and like instead of being like one two 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.280 one two. We'd be like plugged one, plug two, like 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:17.480 to just routine plug tuning, got it. So I just 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.720 happened to be the one saying plug one. Dave was 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.440 the one saying plug two got it. By the time 0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:25.320 we made a record out of it performed it live. 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.040 We performed it live for the first time at Stetso 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:35.120 Sonic's release party, and from that that night, people was 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.760 saying to me, yo, plug one, I saw you the 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:42.080 other day and Dave was Plugged two. So the people 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.040 who saw us named us those names. 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:49.040 Was, by the way, who came up with the name Dale. 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:53.160 I sold it was me and Dave because I wanted, 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:55.520 you know, when we're just trying to think of names. 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.680 I came to Dave was like, yo, I think we 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.560 should call ourselves from the soul, and I gave him 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.880 the whole reason behind it. I was like, I think 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.120 everything we do is from our heart and soul, and 0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.919 I think it could be really dope, like from the soul, 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.240 and Dave was like very understanding. I could see Knye 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:13.719 in his face. 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.560 He was like, nah, mersc is he the king of 0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:17.799 He's the king of no like he. 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.160 Was like but when he listened to what I was saying. 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.120 He was like, look, the meaning behind it is dope. 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.080 He was like, but he was like, from the soul 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.879 it doesn't sound catchy enough, like why don't you stay 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.080 instead of from the say Deyla. And I was like, 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.200 I'm with it. And it was that simple, and that's 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.960 how it became instead of from the soul, day Lah Soul. 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:54.600 Usually, the last songs worked on albums wind up being 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.800 singles or like a pivotal song. What was the last 0:34:57.800 --> 0:34:59.800 song worked on for three f im Rising? 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:05.359 The last song was living in a Full Time era 0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.040 because we were already And it's crazy that I can't 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.680 even tell you what the last song before that, because 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.640 the only reason why that became the last song is 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.320 that we heard We were very confident in the album. 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.319 We loved the album, We love what we had did 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.520 with this, we love this the work we had produced 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:30.120 with Paul. But when we heard the Adventures of Slick Rick, 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:34.440 we were shook. We was like, Yo, how is our 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.520 album going to beat this album? Like it not even 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.520 beat it. We just thought like live up to this. 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.520 So I was like, yo, I think we need something else. 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.560 I just and we love the song Licked the Balls 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.200 by by him on that album. We was like, yo, 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.799 we need something else, and I remember this, kept telling 0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:54.960 Dave like yo, I think I got something. And then 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.239 I went in and put together the samples for Living 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.840 in the Full Time Era. This is a recorder got. 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:05.920 That last right in light of you guys getting your 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:10.880 masters back and re releasing all the records again. We 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:15.239 can hear the adjustments having to be made on three 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.080 feet high and rising for a lot of those songs, 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.800 did you have to use the original reels to mix 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.760 all over again from scratch? Or I'm only asking because 0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:30.759 I think on Oh Freedom of Speak, it sounded way 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:35.280 clearer and like brighter. So for some of those songs 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.600 you had to get the reels and remix them from scratch. 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:44.040 We definitely got the reels and we did our best, 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.719 because at first we did have a conversation with ourselves 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:53.200 as saying like should we like mix them, mix them 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:59.160 or should we preserve some level of it feeling like 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.640 it did, so we had to talk with ourselves. But yeah, 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:07.759 basically we definitely tried to clean it up a bit, 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:08.920 but not. 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.320 Like I think the sample should be louder, and I 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.040 always wanted to fix my last verse in. 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:19.440 He was like, Yo, we can't start doing that. We 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:23.400 can't think with our twenty at that time, twenty twenty 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:28.560 four or twenty twenty three. Mind, we preserve what was 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:30.080 made in nineteen eighty nine. 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:34.879 It was really okay. So I want to ask the 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:41.080 we hate the song question? Now in retrospect, do you 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.319 feel as though you guys, and I say this in 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:53.040 heavy air quotes, overreacted in rejecting what was clearly working 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:58.640 for you guys in the late eighties and early nineties, Like, look, 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.600 thirty years for me, the industry since ninety four, you know, 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:08.480 I wonder if the resistance to mainstream and look, I 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.680 went through twice with music and movies, like the second 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.440 it starts and you're like, ah, it's too much. I 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:19.359 wonder if the resistance to mainstream success and the kind 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:24.880 of intense confrontations that arose from it was justified considering 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:31.239 that you're pretty much entertaining the same demographics to this day, 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:35.720 are you not? Okay? So how jarring was it? Because 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.520 I do remember a period up and right up until 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.960 nineteen ninety four you guys spoke about it a lot 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.880 on like de la Soula is dead and especially on 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:49.240 Blue Mind State. I know that Cypress Hill probably felt 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.440 it the worst with like suddenly like the mainstream hip hops, 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:54.719 like ah man they ca it went pop down, all 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:58.200 those things. But how jarring did it feel to have 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.600 that massive level of seeing success like at the height 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.040 of daylight madness? What did it feel like? 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:09.279 The success itself was a blessing because I think you 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:15.760 your group understands the level of making your bones traveling 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:20.279 throughout the world. So just even in traveling you saw it. 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:24.920 You saw people in these different countries who didn't have 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.400 English as the first language, and you had these people 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.919 who actually learn English and learning your music and being 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:34.440 in love with your music. So we saw how many 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:39.000 people it did touch. We weren't just stuck, I guess 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.240 for a lack of better way of saying it stuck 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.360 and just living in the States and only understanding what 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.640 happened in the States. So we saw that as a 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.720 blessing of what our music and how we could touch people, 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:54.680 what our music can do. But still, I guess the 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.319 success of Yo you could be on Yo, you could 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.600 be on top of the pops. You Hey Yo, Bennie Hey, 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.759 Bennie bedeena Hey, it wasn't because we knew Bennie and 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.160 Benny would hang out with Russell, like, Yo, you know, 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:07.960 maybe you should try out for this TV show that 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:09.600 I'm trying to put together. Why don't you shoot your 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.120 shot for this thing we got called Fresh Prince of Bellet. 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:13.800 It was just too much. It was like, yo, we 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.240 don't want to do all that. We want to make music. 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.520 So I think us in our young minds was thinking 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.799 like all that extra stuff was too much as long 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.880 as the success was there with us doing our artistry, 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.359 That's what it was. Even by the time we got 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.960 to like you said, but low mind state and you 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.200 know now it's normal business. But at that time, you know, 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.799 like ahause, so niggas got hold up a sprit can 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.600 and rhyme like it was just like, oh man, you 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:41.560 selling out, you know what I'm saying, Like that's just 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:45.160 what it was. Then you didn't understand this branding thing. 0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.960 See, I feel like I said yes to everything that 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:53.600 you guys would have said no to. And even now 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.960 I'm wondering, like did I make the right choice or 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.000 did I not make the right choice? Like you know 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:00.919 that to be seen. 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.000 But I may say as well because I can be 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.759 honest and looking back in hindsight, we bitch and moan 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:13.319 about a few things because in the blessings you were receiving, yo, man, 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.960 I mean were just burnt out. We were like everywhere 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.440 we were doing things like this three Fi and Rising 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:24.080 album has set us on this path where we couldn't 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.960 land at an airport. You do interviews at the airport, 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.200 but then you didn't get into the car, and then 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.120 you're being interviewed by this big magazine that you're gonna 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:36.000 be on the front cover of from the airport to 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:37.920 the hotel, and then when you get out at the hotel, 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.160 then you go into this banquet room and you have 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.560 this press conference, then you got to go to soundcheck, 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.759 but do an interview. It was all that we were 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:49.239 just tired of that shit got very honest. That's just 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.000 really that had a lot to do with it was 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:53.880 like this, Okay, so this is what you got to 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.799 be to do to be mainstream, Like you know, we 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.000 just want to go into the studio and make records, 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.359 toll whatever else come with that. I think that's really 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:04.960 where we got burnt out from. 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:11.279 Okay, where is Jeff And why wasn't Mac Daddy on 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:17.279 the left or Brainwash follower included on the three feet reissues. 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:22.240 I think it's just I think us alone a reservoir. 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:23.920 We just needed to tag out a bit because of 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.480 the fact that there's a lot of samples that weren't 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.239 taken care of and that we took care of. And 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:30.880 then it's kind of like, okay, and then we're up 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.240 for another round. Okay, so let's look to another round 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.279 of Okay, these songs that were these great songs that 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.040 y'all put together on these twelve inches, let's get to it. 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.160 And I mean we're going to get to it. 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.520 So you guys are fully aware that we're like waiting 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:45.600 for the rest of the three feet high Okay, Okay, 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:47.800 just wanted to make sure you knew we were waiting 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:49.600 for that, not just like they don't care. 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.839 Okay. Jeff is a family guy. He just lives at 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:53.960 home with his family. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.279 I mean, what it is Jeff, now, like he's got 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:58.319 to be in his forties now. 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.719 Right easily, I mean maybe still late thirties. I want 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:03.440 to say. 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:07.399 Maybe besides mac Daddy, were there any other songs with him? 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:08.000 Rhyman on it? 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:13.880 Yeah, was a part of this crew. Dave was going 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.680 to do Wow and I can't remember the name, which 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.520 is absolutely horrible. They put together a dope ass demo 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.440 and Jeff had changed his name to Philly Black. He 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.919 was in Philly one night drunk too much and blacked out, 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:34.360 and then his name became Philly. Jeff is Philly Black 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:37.799 on our Bionics album. We have a song called the 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:41.560 Sauce and that's what Jeff so, Jeff is Philly Black 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:45.000 on that album. But I think that, yeah, Jeff Romin's 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:45.960 ass off on that album. 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:49.319 I didn't know that was him, Okay, all right, I 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:49.719 didn't know. 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.279 It's this demo that Dave put together, and I'm gonna 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.759 remember after an interview, which is horrible, like they put 0:43:55.760 --> 0:44:00.680 together this collective. It was Jeff Philly Black, it was Dave, 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:05.279 and it was Divine who rhymes on pawn Star on 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.319 a Biones album, someone else, and it was just a 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.080 bunch of really really amazing music. But it never and 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:13.560 then it was supposed to come out funny enough on 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.279 Tommy Boy and it just I don't know what. 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.800 Okay, you guys are the king of the side group stories. 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.000 Literally every time I talk to you, you talk about 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:25.480 well we had a group with this group and that 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.560 group and that group. Like how many side groups were 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.640 there in the native tongue speare. 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:35.160 You're talking about the Fabulous Fleas which was me tip 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:43.400 Juju Africa Kids on ZENI Fave which was Dave Uh, 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:48.440 Sammy B and Mike G. I think someone else was 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:50.719 in that with them. We had something that we was 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.960 going to call the Hoods, which was just all of 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.040 everyone in Native but it was going to call it 0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.239 the Hoods. Yeah, we were just I mean, we was 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:03.840 just very very much taken out of the Parliament funker delic. 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.560 Where the Violators ever supposed to be an actual group 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.040 or you just they were just the crew. 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:11.960 No, that was just the crew. There was just the crew. 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:13.719 It wasn't really supposed to be not that I know, 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.120 they weren't really supposed to be rhyming. 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.000 I got it, okay, Well, I mean they were just 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:22.480 always given equal billings. I just never knew. So obviously 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:26.759 the sound of Daylight changed on the Day Lost Soul's 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:32.200 Dead album and most notably the musical backdrop. So what 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:36.280 was what was the difference between the access the access 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.560 to records that you used on three ft hind and Rising, 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:44.480 compared to the access to records that you got with 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:46.799 day Lot soul was dead. Like in other words, how 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.200 would the records acquired for three feet High and Rising? 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.279 Whereas I'm certain now that you're touring the world and 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:53.239 you get to shop, you. 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:58.440 Know, every record used on three feet was just records 0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:02.160 that were from our parents' collection. So plug tuning, that 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.720 was my fatherst record, Jennifer, that was my fatherst record, 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:10.000 you know, like whatever I mean. Paul was probably the 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:13.000 only one at that time already being in stead, but 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.160 he was still using like his own record collection. But 0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.040 I think it was still records that he acquired on 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.120 his own, or he may have gotten from his bigger brother, 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:25.000 his older brother, and maybe some records he may have 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:29.840 gotten being on the road any But the majority of 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:33.279 records were just from our home, from myself, Dave and Mays. 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:39.200 So for the first generation of like cret digging in 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:43.960 a non bitbot of flashway, how heavy was the environment 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.719 back in the dawn of the nineties, Like for our 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:52.800 listeners that listening, you know, there was a probably the 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:57.200 Bible of Breakbeats, which was a compilation called Ultimate Beats 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.320 and Breaks, which every rapper worth their grain of salt. 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:04.000 Between that classic era of like eighty five to ninety, 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.640 we're pretty much using this. It was like Wikipedia or 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:12.000 AI for break beats, but it was always the same, 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:16.880 like sixty songs. And what made Daylight notable was that 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.440 they colored outside the lines, and you know, it was 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:22.520 a period of like discovery, like oh the parts of 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:25.439 the record collection that you ignore in your parents' house, Like, oh, 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.799 there's some stuff on there too. But for me, I 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:32.600 feel like day La Soul Is Dead was the first 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:34.959 what we call like the digging in the crates era. 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:39.319 I'll say ninety nine percent of that record was the 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.880 you know, like we didn't know about evil Vibrations sample 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:46.600 or you know, or even it's Lou Donaldson's version of 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.080 It's Your Thing or any of those things. But then 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:54.200 there would be some moments where I was wondering, were 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:56.399 you trying to even back then, I was wondering where 0:47:56.400 --> 0:48:00.319 you're trolling this, like using funky drummer on Uzable on 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:04.000 the fade out like it worked for me, But then 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.400 I always wonder like, were you guys being sarcastic or 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.880 like by that point everyone played it to the ground 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:12.640 and yet you used it on the fade out, So 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:16.560 I always wondered was that by design? And also Afro 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:20.640 connections at a high five. Nobody in their right mind 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:27.600 would use mustache era James Brown for anything. And it's 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:32.840 almost like you guys chose the worst James Brown song ever, 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:36.600 which is for goodness sakes, take a look at those cakes, 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:42.160 which no self respecting rapper whatever rhyme over, and yet 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:45.560 y'all did it. Can you explain the lostic like in 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.600 the way you're smiling, I feel like I just uncover 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:53.760 some shits correctness, Like why did y'all put funky drummer 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:55.600 on udles of os when it didn't need it? I 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.759 love the way you used it, but it didn't need it, 0:48:58.000 --> 0:48:58.920 but yet you did it. 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:03.399 Why? Well, just like how you said that was the 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:07.400 mantra that Prince Paul made sure we you know, learned 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:10.239 by which was it really worked? He said, yo, just 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.839 try everything because if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:18.200 Don't cancel out any idea. So at some point Dave 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:21.320 has already nailed I mean, that was the first record 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:25.759 that Dave led in production, was Oodles of Olds, and 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:32.120 it was just absolutely amazing. But then he was like yo, 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.120 I have these other ideas, like he tried to add 0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:36.279 on and it's not in there. One day I can 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:39.400 let you hear it, like the beginning of Oodles of Olds. 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.680 He started it all he doing like Frankie Beverly, going, 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:47.319 I gotta make sure I'm wrong. We was like, why 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.160 would you do that? And he said, yo, I gotta 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:50.640 try it, and then he tried it, but we was 0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:53.160 like nah. And then I think, I want to say, 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.000 Mace wanted to add in the funky drummers, so maybe 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.479 it could be like if we dropped out the beat 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.680 we already had and that could be in there and 0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.239 that mind you. I'm like, that's not gonna work. But 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.160 then we tried it was like, all right, maybe you 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.520 could use it at some point. But then, luckily enough, 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:13.040 it wounded just being something used at the end, like 0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:16.280 because it was almost more for the because we almost 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:20.600 wanted to throw on the like that, and so yeah, 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.560 it wound up being something like we had fun, like yo, 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:24.120 let's just let it ride at the end. 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.680 But I mean, may I thought you were trying to 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.920 make a grand statement, like every time I hear that song, 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.360 the way that my brain was thinking was like, oh, Okay, 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:34.719 I see what they're doing. They're like sweeping the old 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:38.520 guys out, like all you old rappers that used funky drummer, 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.080 We're flushing you down the toilet, you know, on the 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.319 fade out. It just made no sense, but I was 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:48.040 always obsessed with that shit, okay nah. 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.839 And then even when Mace Mace Mace did he put 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.280 together Apple Connections and like I just remember him playing 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:55.879 that for us, and we was like. 0:50:55.840 --> 0:51:00.319 This is again amazing, Like we was like this is 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.440 the hardest shit ever, and like it almost sounded some 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:05.520 shit people think Dale I shouldn't be rhyming on it, 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.160 and I was like, that's why we got a rome 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.440 on this, and like Dave amediately was like. 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.040 Yeah, we should do it like on some exploitation ship, 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.120 like I don't know, some like yeah like afrol Connections, 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:17.279 and I was like yo whatever like anything they would 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.919 say like all right, cool, let's try it. And so yeah, man, 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:21.200 that was just wow. 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:26.920 So like Afro Connections was a if we were like 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.920 Heart Street niggas, like this is what we were sounding. 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.560 Like yeah, it almost like y'all, y'all like look. 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.600 In your mind, you thought like n wa wou rhand that. 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:41.560 Yeah, so it was kind of like definitely like it 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:44.560 was almost like through this idea that Dave came up with, 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:47.279 it allowed us to be hard, like, Okay, we can 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.000 like exercise this is what we're doing, you know what 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:53.520 I'm saying, Like it allowed you to like play this out. Yeah. Man, 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:54.560 we had a lot of fun making up. 0:51:54.600 --> 0:52:01.040 Okay, So I'm gonna start with yes or no? Will 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:05.600 you ever tell air quote? That story in the air quote? 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:07.120 Yeah? 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:15.080 What a top you know about the the Oodle's Afro story. Yeah, 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:16.960 I'm telling for the first time ever. 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.400 Yeah, if you talking about what I think you're talking about, 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:23.160 who's doing that for me? Yeah? I mean should we 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:23.960 grown now? 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:29.359 And Kevin Mercer, can you please tell me about the 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:34.239 story of Afro Connections at a high five? Oh my god, 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:35.840 I can't believe you're about to tell the story. 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:41.080 So the beginning of Afro Connections where we say like 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.400 this is dedicated to all those horror core acts you know, 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:46.400 the dudes is fill the fuck off, right. That was 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:53.360 us being upset and mad at run DMCs of O's 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.720 at the time when we was doing, you know, working 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.680 on our album Oodles of O's. Actually he was something 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:04.239 that Dave put together for Run DMC, because we were 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.120 told by you know, we had the same management, and 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.799 we was told about like yo, like Russ, you know, 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:13.439 we want these guys, they need some music. And Dave 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.000 was honored to try to put something together. And then 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:20.960 from what we understood, d actually like what Dave had did. 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.160 But I think Run wasn't with it, Like it was 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.839 just kind of like, who is these little niggas trying 0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:28.880 to do something for Run DMC. 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:31.600 D is going on d is going on the record 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:33.440 saying how much of a fan. 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:36.080 He was of you guys, Like, oh, I mean the 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.640 trust me And I'm not even trying to say that 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:40.960 Run wasn't but Run was just. 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.759 Run back in the nineties. I got this by Run 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:46.839 go Ahead. 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.799 One would Run and the monument and and now, like 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.520 I'll say, like our first show ever, as I said, 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.160 when we did plug Tune in at the Stetso Sonic Party, 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:59.399 DMC was in the front row, yes and all we 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.040 was there to do that one song we got off. 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.480 We was like so nervous. After getting off, we went 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:07.000 in the bathroom to get our composure and we did 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:09.920 a great job. DMC followed us into the bathrooms, like, Yo, 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.120 get the fuck back on and do it again. That's 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.719 so amazing. It's like he was just always such a 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:17.879 cheerleader to us, and Jay wants to and like I said, 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:21.440 anytime we met Ron, he was really dope to us 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.000 as well. But we knew Run was run you know 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:27.319 what I'm saying at that attitude, like no one is dope. 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.799 It in me in and shit, we looked up to it. 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.760 We wanted to be like running them in our mirrors 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:35.640 as well. So anyway, I guess when Dave tried to 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:37.600 give the beat to them, so that was the whole 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:39.440 focus of us of oo was the way they did 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:41.960 the udles of oza No. He saw it as like 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.920 how DMC would have to echoed ozia no No da 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:46.440 da da da da da da da da da da 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.279 da da. He was trying to do it on some 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:51.560 run DMC shit. They didn't take it because run distant, 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.960 but like super distant. We wound up putting it on 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:57.040 our which I was cool with. I was like, Yo, 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:58.640 this shit is dope. Anyway, we can do it for 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:03.719 our short but and being mad and cryptic, we did 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.719 the whole ship connections. 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.240 Got it okay, they got us. 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:13.600 Back because I think they realized it and through Afros 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:18.680 they can't. Yeah, because on one of the Afro albums, 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:22.080 Jay and them they did it. They did like some 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.680 skit where I think they use us saying something like 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:35.400 something and then they and it's like some guns going off. Yeah. Yeah, 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:39.279 we were just young. We loved Run DMC. We were 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.160 just hurt that they You know, it's one thing to 0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.120 be like you just don't want to use it, right 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.840 how Run just kind of dissed us about it, And 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.280 I'm sure you run about it today and Run wouldn't 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:49.840 even remember. 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:03.680 I don't know how to ask this next question, but 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.480 one of the recurring themes that I always have on 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:11.920 this podcast is that pioneers really just get the glory 0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:14.560 of saying that they did it first, but it's always 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.719 the person that comes second that gets the glory from it, 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:22.239 and the pioneer never gets the credit. So, I mean, 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:23.840 at one point to me, it just felt like a 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:29.040 running joke. But when you hear songs like when you 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:34.560 hear Dear Mama or Ghetto Red Hot or Mary Jay's 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.080 Be Happy remix or how I Could Just Kill a 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:40.640 Man or a Funky Child or float on what Up 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:44.200 Pete or crucial conflicts, Hey in the middle of the 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:50.359 barn or Warren G's this DJ or portraits Here we go. Shit, yo, 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:56.480 I'll be distortion in a stag by the roots, the youngsters, 0:56:56.520 --> 0:57:01.240 you know, doing your little ego trip paper ripping verse 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.919 or even aero codes for Ludacris. I joke, but I'm 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:09.759 not joking. I think set a Drift Memory Bliss is 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:14.520 the greatest daylight soul song that y'all never made, you 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:18.080 know what it wasn't even until maybe two weeks into 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:20.640 what they do that someone was like, oh, you guys 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.320 just in the daylight video and I was like, no, 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:27.080 oh god, we did. Like I'm dealing with the biggie 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:28.640 part of it, but I didn't even get to the 0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:34.720 daylight part of it. You guys literally have done things first. 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:38.080 It's almost like I listen to y'all to see what's 0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.680 going to be the next big hit. But at one 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:44.560 point did it just become like yeah, of course, like 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:49.840 to hear all of your ideas and musicality and samples 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:55.160 get reused and they become like actual, big, gigantic hits 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:56.800 for these artists that do it. 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:00.880 I mean basically from Ludacris doing the Era Your Coach record. 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:04.560 We never felt like, oh man, he's trying to repurpose 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:06.840 our idea and he got to hear from it. We 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.000 never would look at things like that. We never would 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:14.680 look at Mary doing her record and using say the 0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:16.880 Dollar bill Yard record the way we use it with 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:21.640 the backwards eight away going. We we were like homefe 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.880 because it's no different than how we took different things 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:28.800 and used it from people we loved and we respected, 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.800 and we just felt like, yo, it's a homage to them. 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:34.680 So nah man, we never really thought of things like 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:36.480 that at all, you know. 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:40.520 So one of the the unsung stars or heroes of 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:45.520 well we already talked about it was Sean aka I'm 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:50.960 and Joy on Biddy's not many. Every time someone's in 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.120 my car and Biddies comes on, I had to tell 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:59.240 them that, uh, Shashawana Marisol like Shashana is is is 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:02.320 the girl from l else doing it and she had 0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:04.440 singles on and all and stuff like how did you 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:06.560 guys back when her name was am and Joy, how 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:09.240 did you coming across her? 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:14.640 I mean, Sean was just around us. She was hanging 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:17.280 around us at that point her and Sammy Bee was 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:21.920 messing around. I mean, oh okay, So I mean she 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:24.800 was just around. She would just be in the studio. 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:25.440 So like. 0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:30.320 Her being an MC EMC or she just had a 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:31.840 really good voice in delivery. 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:36.080 Nah she was an MC. Okay, she was really. 0:59:35.880 --> 0:59:38.960 Cause that's also Hermoni's that's her voice where that at 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:40.960 that's her right, Okay, okay. 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:44.960 She had a great voice. She could ram my ass off. 0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:47.520 We were already hearing stuff she was doing because she 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:49.720 would just being around the studio and letting us hear 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:52.720 rhyme's and whatever. So Sean was just in the studio, 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:55.080 like just in the studio in Calliope. So once I 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:57.439 came up with the idea and being like yo, all right, 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:01.360 Dave did his idea of Biddy's his he acted out 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:04.360 where him and our friend Wade comes in deal with 1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:06.680 the people who work behind the counter. I want to 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:10.280 have him on an exchange between the girl, but the 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:13.120 girl run and I work. You know what I'm saying, 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:15.760 I'll be the one working at Berkeley King And so 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:18.280 I was like yo. Immediately, I was like yo, Lashawn 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:21.960 would kill this. She has the right voice. She can 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:25.240 write some shit to roast me. And then when I 1:00:25.280 --> 1:00:28.080 told her the idea, she was like, I'm in. And 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.400 when I start hearing a rhymes, I start getting scared. 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:34.760 I was like, oh shit, she's gonna kill me. I said, Yo, 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:36.080 you all right with this? She's like, yeah, I'm cool 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:36.280 with that. 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:40.760 How does that work? I never interviewed a rapper MC 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:44.360 as far as like, I never understood how group structure work. 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:48.600 I've only known solo EMC's here's my sixteen. So how 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:50.360 did that back and forth get constructed? 1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:54.600 That exchange? It had to really be kind of like 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:59.560 it couldn't be just me saying, look, lashawan, I rhymed, here, 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:01.720 this is space for you. I rhyme here, this is 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.480 space for you. Listen to everything I said and answer back. 1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:08.440 It was more like, nah, let me do this first. 1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:11.600 You started off, you say something, and we talked. 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:13.480 About it, and you respond to it right, right. 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:16.280 So we talked about how it should go, and then 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:19.120 so then she she had her parts and I was like, jo, 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.840 that's dope, okay, so let me respond to it this way, 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:24.200 and then she will now respond to what I say, 1:01:24.280 --> 1:01:26.920 like or even if she had something she thought was cool, 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:29.720 she would change a bar there to make it fit 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:33.280 better with how I ended, how I responded. So we 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:34.360 was like on the spot. 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:37.120 Doing a lot of Yeah, that's that's amazing, man. That 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:39.840 was That was such a dope moment. How did Black 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:43.000 Sheep get into the native tongue spirit? 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:46.480 It was through Mike G whether it was and it 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:49.080 was the same with Money and everyone else. There was 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:54.120 never no audition, you know, to have someone in someone 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:57.440 saying yo, or the court like okay, I'm gonna It 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:01.360 was just really like, yo, I think this person could 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:06.320 be dope. And it was never really no pushback. So 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:08.760 I remember, I remember Mike G coming to the studio. 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:12.200 He always called me Noose Yo, Noose Yo. It's these 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:14.280 two dudes, man, we've been we've been messing with they 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:18.520 called Black Sheep, and he explained who they are and 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:21.960 and and I had already saw long before rolled them 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:24.600 in red. He's like, yeah, you know, Yo, I'm telling 1:02:24.600 --> 1:02:27.080 you they're going to be really dope. We're thinking about 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:29.760 they could be a really dope fit for natives, like 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:34.200 they're they're different. But I was like cool, it was 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:36.880 like got it, you know what I'm saying. And I 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:38.760 think it was everyone else the same way. 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:43.480 Wait, you just said something that just so wait a minute, on, Jenny, 1:02:44.320 --> 1:02:48.920 you're not talking about rope. Noos is self referential. You 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:51.920 mean she said let's try it in the bathroom. But 1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:54.000 the news was way above the sick you were talking 1:02:54.040 --> 1:03:02.400 about you as impossible. Oh god, okay, I'm sorry, bro. 1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:05.720 I thought you was going to the real dark. 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:12.360 Yeah, yeah, let's talking about I got news hanging. No. 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:14.080 I thought you was some like I was saying, Yo, 1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:17.920 there's some dark sexual feticism ship going on with Nooses, 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:21.120 And I was like, for real, I was like, yo, 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:22.800 is he talking about asphyxiation? 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:23.400 Oh? 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:27.840 Pasta news not me. She was saying, Yo, let's try 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:30.959 to the bathroom and hear some rope and let me. 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.160 In the bathroom of a st No. 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:42.640 Oh god, but I'm sorry, man, Okay, why haven't the 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:48.400 JB's appeared on three feet or the soul is dead? Besides, like, 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:52.280 oh wait a minute, they're on, buddy? What am I saying? 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:57.600 Besides the fanatic of the baseball like, yeah, the Jungle 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:00.360 Brothers just fade into the background. 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:04.920 I mean it was just always about we. I mean, 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:09.760 especially by the time we got to Balloon. It was really, 1:04:10.440 --> 1:04:14.640 really about yo, who is the right instrument vocally for 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:18.280 a record? You know, like gotcha? They felt like, Yo, man, 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:23.040 I feel like Surety should be on a record, so 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:25.600 on the record, say no, like the entire record, like 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:28.800 her voice, like if it's just an a like Yo, 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:31.320 that's dope cool. So yeah, I mean like it was 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:34.040 the same with Jungle if it was just nothing that 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:38.160 we were working on that presented itself where yo, let's 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:41.320 get them on this. We just didn't do it. The 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:43.560 same with Trump, you know, like cause I don't really 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:47.160 what tribe ain't on that record. Maybe they're on a remix. 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:50.160 While I had when I had q to saying dig 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:52.720 the sounds coming fuck plug one on the Break of 1:04:52.800 --> 1:04:57.320 Dawn remake, it just seemed like Black Sheep just worked out. 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:59.920 They was just always around. But mind you the crazy thing, 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:02.880 it's like Africa that was in the studio. They would 1:05:02.920 --> 1:05:07.600 be around every now and then and I'm playing for them, 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:09.720 but it just wasn't the right record that. 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:13.560 Does the producer of the song for who the sessions 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:17.320 for is the person that initiates you should get on this, 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:22.840 you should get on this or people have been like, yo, 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:24.320 I want to be on this and. 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:31.160 That kind of came a little bit later, but definitely 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:34.440 was about us saying who should get on something or 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:38.400 you know, even Tip like, yo, Merse, I want you 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:42.880 to try something on this this scenario record. And I'm like, 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:46.600 after I hadn't heard it already put together, and I'm like, wow, 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:50.560 really like this shit is done. It's like it is 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:52.360 what it is. And then he wanted me. He tried 1:05:52.400 --> 1:05:55.720 me on something else that he wanted me and Lord 1:05:55.800 --> 1:06:00.680 Finess on called bus how you buss? How you bus? How? 1:06:00.720 --> 1:06:02.600 I ain't trying to hear that? So I think it's 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:04.919 called I ain't trying to hear that, and I was like, cool, 1:06:05.000 --> 1:06:06.800 let me let me try something to that. So it 1:06:06.880 --> 1:06:09.880 was just really that. But yeah, we would get to 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:12.280 a point where like in each other sessions and hearing 1:06:12.320 --> 1:06:16.640 stuff like because when Tip did mister Mohammed Africa was 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:19.360 really making him uncomfortable because He's like, Yo, this should 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:22.000 be the this should be like the native record, this 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:23.840 should be like we and this is this idea we 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:27.640 had called the Hoods should this record? And Tip was like, nah, 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:30.760 like I want this to be for Ali, I want 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:33.120 this to be called mister Muhammad, gotcha? 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:37.240 Yeah, like you know, I see all right. So look 1:06:37.520 --> 1:06:43.080 how challenging was it to craft the final verse of 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:46.120 Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa, because the way that 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:51.720 you navigate such a heavy fiend song, which you know, 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:55.360 is about a daughter defending herself against an abusive father, 1:06:57.280 --> 1:07:00.520 and you still have to maintain suspense. You have to 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:05.600 bring empathy to the situation. And for me, that versus 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:10.080 remarkable because this was done in a time in which 1:07:10.200 --> 1:07:15.760 rappers really weren't granting like women agency, like each line, 1:07:16.000 --> 1:07:18.640 the way each line was crafted, and the thing is 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:20.640 one you're saying it in a rhythmic way in which 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:21.600 the words have to fit. 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:22.840 Yeah. 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:25.680 To me, the most crucial line of that is your 1:07:25.720 --> 1:07:29.440 last three lines, which is, you know, Dylan pleaded versity. 1:07:29.440 --> 1:07:31.000 He said it to me to do all the things 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:33.160 that her mind to couldn't do nothing but cling to, 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:39.160 which is such a word salad. But that also that 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:41.480 line gives you empathy for her in a way where 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:44.080 it's just not like it could have easily been like yo, 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:45.720 I know this girl around the way and then she 1:07:45.760 --> 1:07:48.000 shot him dead. You know, it could have been like 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:50.840 fast pegged by Llo cool J. You know what I 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:55.480 mean she shot him at the head. That's the breaks light. 1:07:55.600 --> 1:08:03.040 Next song, dude, I'm saying fast Pegged by Elo cool 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:06.840 J was like a minute nineteen seconds pretty much could 1:08:06.840 --> 1:08:10.120 have been the same narrative, but it wound up just 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:13.959 being more like an intense sketch. But to me, that's 1:08:14.000 --> 1:08:15.920 what I think about when I think about the beauty 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:19.240 of hip hop storytelling. You have a very short period 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:21.599 to paint this picture of the song to make it work. 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:23.360 What was the genesis of that song? 1:08:24.120 --> 1:08:28.000 Well, it's like you said, the title was gained from 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:32.439 us going into the city. Saw this homeless guy. He 1:08:32.520 --> 1:08:37.080 had a dirty Santa Claus outfit on him in the 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:40.280 subway station. First words that came to my mind was 1:08:40.400 --> 1:08:43.000 merely pulled a pistol on Sanda. I don't know why, 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:45.840 but it did, and he was walking next to me. 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:48.320 I was like, yo, man, that'd be a dope title. 1:08:48.320 --> 1:08:50.479 Because at that point we were just into this writing 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:55.160 even down titles and then matching the right lyrics or 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:58.400 story to the title. So I immediately pulled out the 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:02.559 little padda head in my pocket wrote title down. Paul 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:07.120 several weeks later, gave us this tape Casette tape up 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:11.120 this different beats he's working on for us. I heard 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:14.120 the music I'll stay by. What was that funkadelic? 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:15.439 Yeah? 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:19.360 I was like, Dave, this is merely pulled the pistol 1:09:19.360 --> 1:09:24.679 on Sanda. Just how weeping this this sounds? This is it? 1:09:25.000 --> 1:09:28.960 He was like, got you? Then I married it to 1:09:29.560 --> 1:09:32.160 someone I was very close to was being blested by 1:09:32.160 --> 1:09:36.080 our father and real time got everything and then start 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:39.760 crafting everything from there. So I mean the story was 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:42.600 literally happening to someone that was very close to me 1:09:43.439 --> 1:09:46.080 in real time. This is how I felt about how 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:50.960 fucked up father and I was writing on this. So yeah, 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:53.960 it was like and I you know, and as you 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:58.799 eloquently explain in terms of how a writer is supposed 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:00.760 to put the suspense and lay, I didn't have any 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:03.360 idea about that outside of loving to read and whatever. 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:05.160 I just thought like, Okay, this is how I got 1:10:05.200 --> 1:10:09.920 to write this story. And Dave loved what I was 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:13.360 doing so much. He was like, Mrce, write the whole thing. 1:10:13.800 --> 1:10:15.960 He was like, because what you showed me that for 1:10:16.040 --> 1:10:19.040 your first verse. He was just being honest. He's like, 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:22.080 I don't know how I would pick it up just 1:10:22.200 --> 1:10:26.280 for it to be just solid. You write the entire 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:29.719 thing and assigned to me what you want me to say. Cool, 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:32.719 And so that's what I did. I just kept going, 1:10:32.800 --> 1:10:36.680 kept going. But I knew I wanted it to end abruptly, 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:41.040 like how a shot will abruptly in your life. But 1:10:41.200 --> 1:10:44.080 I had to fill in from the beginning to end. 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:46.320 And like you said, it was a challenge to make 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:48.719 sure that once I was staying in this rhyme style, 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:52.200 this cadence, my thoughts of how I wanted it to go, 1:10:53.080 --> 1:10:56.280 I had to find the right words for the cadence. 1:10:56.400 --> 1:10:59.040 Dude, I have so many great ideas for shit, but 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:01.720 I just because my word salad brain, I don't know 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:05.360 how to sustinctly Treak's the original AI like he knows 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:08.440 how to widdle words down to make it fit rhythmically, 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:10.120 you know, And I just never know too. 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:13.080 Like it's funny, I know, I want to say, y'all 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:15.360 did it like y'all did the song over and I 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:17.679 got I remember when it got to this one part 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:21.320 where I I never fixed it because when I say 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:26.799 like complete, it was probably like complete when with an accent, 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.360 but I say it so weird complete with ad accent. 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:33.800 It almost like it sounds like I'm saying complete with 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:40.280 ad accent, and I'm really saying and an accent. But 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:44.360 I had to do it in the style okay, you know, 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:46.280 I know, like people was like, what the hell is 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:46.759 he saying? 1:11:48.240 --> 1:11:49.719 What is the Renee King story? 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:56.600 Renee King? She and I mean, bless her heart. I 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:59.799 couldn't tell you exactly what she did in the music industry, 1:11:59.840 --> 1:12:02.400 but we knew her from like if we were at 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:06.680 like a seminar, she would be there doing whatever. She 1:12:06.720 --> 1:12:09.320 would you know, a music seminar, she was there, or 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:12.599 we would come to Philly at whatever show she was there. 1:12:12.640 --> 1:12:15.960 So we knew she was a part of the industry, right. 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:21.120 But you know she, I mean this point blank, seemed 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:27.400 like a really nice but little eccentric woman. Yeah, she 1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:31.960 was trying to holler word. So I was just trying 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:37.160 to like, yeah, you know, I'm young, like eighteen nineteen, 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:39.519 and she seemed like she was probably like in her thirties. 1:12:39.600 --> 1:12:43.839 I was like, nah, I think so sound sock. 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:45.720 She was. 1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:48.000 She was definitely an older woman, you know what I 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:51.360 can hear. So I was just like, nah, I don't 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:54.240 necessarily want to do that. Some other things in Philly 1:12:54.240 --> 1:13:00.000 I'm looking at right right, well my, but she was 1:13:00.000 --> 1:13:02.479 it's really cool, really nice. But yeah, I mean I 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:06.719 just thought like in her saying what she said on 1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:09.040 her thing to me, like if she's trying to get 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.479 at me and it's for the music business, because it's 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:13.280 kind of like I think she got to feel like, 1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:15.639 I think she's trying to holla and I'm gonna use 1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:17.160 this for ringing ring I'm gonna get you with this, 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:18.519 And that's why I put it in front. 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:20.360 And she was swine with you guys putting her phone 1:13:20.400 --> 1:13:21.479 number and loved it. 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:25.240 She kept the same phone number everything. I remember, she 1:13:25.280 --> 1:13:39.120 did an interview and she loved it. She loved it. 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:43.240 By ninety one, were you guys already over the the 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:46.759 idea of day La soul, the idea of native tongues 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:49.240 like whereas like you guys are apposed to be like 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:53.320 sixteen kids hanging out in boho clothing and head wraps 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:57.839 and incense and whatever. Were you tired of the idea 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:00.920 of the boholdness of what we thought as your fan 1:14:01.000 --> 1:14:02.560 base thought native tongues. 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:08.160 Was well, we as Dayla could have felt that a bit, 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:12.320 because if you realize that's why we ditched everything from 1:14:12.400 --> 1:14:15.240 three feet That's what Dayla So Dead was all about, 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:18.600 Like ditching this outer shell that everyone's paying attention to, 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:22.360 so let alone with the outer shell of natives the 1:14:22.360 --> 1:14:26.320 same way. And Q Tip Ali and all them, they 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:28.559 was especially five. They was all doing the same thing, 1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:31.720 like all right, okay, I had enough of looking like 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:34.519 this on this cover, Like I'm putting on this baseball 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:36.240 hat because this is what I really wear when I'm 1:14:36.240 --> 1:14:41.240 in sint obits or you know what I'm saying. So yeah, 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:44.680 I mean, I'm sure like it was. It just kind 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:47.760 of like became more of like, yo, we got these 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:51.240 dope ass rhymes, we got these banging ass beats, and 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:54.320 they're super creative. It was almost like that was more 1:14:54.320 --> 1:14:57.360 of a mantra like gotchak with us when it really 1:14:57.400 --> 1:15:00.720 comes to that, you know, being super creat and we 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:03.240 can rhyme. We didn't want people to just focus on 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:04.840 the imagery. 1:15:05.000 --> 1:15:09.479 Normally, you know when you guys rhyme, I still feel 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:11.280 like I know what you're saying because I can pick 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:16.920 up like every seventh word. But within focus, I understood 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:22.800 absolutely everything you spoke of, even to the Funkadelic knee 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:26.519 deep reference of you know, of me myself and I 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:30.479 sort of being in the sunset and now this is 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:34.320 where my life is. So can you explain just the 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:37.640 whole idea of in Focus, Like, was there really a 1:15:37.680 --> 1:15:40.400 period where it just felt like the plane was landing 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:44.360 and now the dream was over and now And I'm 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:48.240 not saying that it's a cynical album, because the thing 1:15:48.360 --> 1:15:51.639 is is that I think maybe this year and listening 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:56.040 to like the reissue, the woman I never said was like, oh, 1:15:56.720 --> 1:15:59.040 you know, as much as I talk about three feet 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:01.960 and Da La Soul's like, really the album that gave 1:16:02.000 --> 1:16:05.759 birth to the roots was Blue Mind State, simply because 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:08.639 of the musical directions that you guys took. But how 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:12.240 jarring did that feeling like when I heard him focus? 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:16.599 That that actually made me depressed, Which it's an upbeat song, well, 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:18.720 not an upbeat song. It still sounds like a hip 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:22.280 hop John, But that was the first time where I 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:26.000 was like, oh, all might not be well in you know, 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:29.439 Amityville Land or wherever I thought the idea of day 1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:33.000 La Soul being like, talk about just the creation of 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:35.880 in Focus and the cynicism behind it. 1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:40.559 With my brain at this point, I don't recall who 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:44.960 came up within focus, It sounds like something Dave would do. 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:50.640 I came up with the music, okay, but yeah, I 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:57.360 mean in focus as a theme. Definitely Dave, and definitely 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:01.240 Dave was at that point because even we had the 1:17:01.320 --> 1:17:03.840 running joke even at that point, like the Way's Dave, 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:06.640 He's somewhere in Haiti in a tree, Like Dave was 1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:12.240 already this ruined with the fame, the fame aspect of 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:15.040 it and just what it took to keep it going, 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:16.240 like you know. 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:18.120 Let's this, is this why he cut his hair? Is 1:17:18.120 --> 1:17:19.559 this why he like. 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:24.400 Just trying different things and and crazy enough? Before Dave 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:28.639 passed several interviews we were doing leading up to the catalog, 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:31.400 he really talked in depth about it, which was this 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:33.920 very eye opening for me because I didn't know he 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:37.519 was feeling like that for that album. Like Dave was 1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:40.200 just revealing that he was just really not in a 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:45.760 great place with himself and understanding himself and where he 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:48.519 was going and how he should be evolving as a 1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:52.920 father as all these things during Balloon Mind State, So 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:56.559 Dave really was. It's almost like he made it sound 1:17:56.640 --> 1:17:58.960 like and in hindsight, looking back, I can get I 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:01.519 get it. Like he was almost like an airplane mode, 1:18:01.880 --> 1:18:04.640 like he was just like, Okay, you know, I'm going 1:18:04.720 --> 1:18:07.720 to listen to the mantra of Paul that if this 1:18:07.760 --> 1:18:10.840 is what pas thinks is dope to try or pass 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:14.280 want to do this thing called Patty Duke pasta yo 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:16.320 merse you right rhyme because I don't think I can 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:18.080 really nail it. But that was his way just saying 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:21.680 he didn't really like it, and and that's why I'm 1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:23.280 not to skip out of your question. But then that's 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:26.320 why when he checked back in for Stakes is High, 1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:29.559 he came back with a vengeance. So yeah, during that 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:33.200 period and focus is definitely Dave like he's tired of 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:35.800 this shit, like he's tired of this light being on him. 1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:37.840 If I want to do some dirt, niggas looking, if 1:18:37.840 --> 1:18:39.840 I want to chill, niggas looking I just want to 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:42.800 rest with my daughter, niggas looking like That's that really 1:18:42.880 --> 1:18:44.600 I felt like that's what they felt. 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:50.520 How did you guys discover shot Dara Shadara part and 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:57.000 uh Tagaji Khan, the two Japanese MC's on Long Island wilding. 1:18:57.640 --> 1:19:05.160 Well, it started from Khan was down with already down 1:19:05.200 --> 1:19:08.800 with Red Alert, like so the prop Master stuff. We 1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:11.840 almost found out about Khan through Red Alert before we 1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:13.960 even went to Japan. And so by the time we 1:19:14.040 --> 1:19:16.519 lived in Japan and this meet con, he introduced us 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:20.000 to his home boys SDP, and then we were actually 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:23.200 on shows together and so we were just really cool. 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:25.639 They really pretty much in all what we was doing 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:27.800 and loved what we were doing, and we actually was 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:29.599 felt the same about them, Like we was like, yo, 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:32.439 these these three dudes is like to us, they they 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:35.559 felt like the Japanese beastie boys, like they were just 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:41.160 really creative, and we just saw a similar kinship musically, 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:44.720 where like the barrier of not understanding them and them 1:19:44.720 --> 1:19:48.280 not understanding us probably every word, but we felt a 1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:51.160 connection to the music. So we was like when we 1:19:51.240 --> 1:19:54.240 came up with that skit Long Island Wildin and it 1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:58.120 only came from I had this The beat was just 1:19:58.200 --> 1:20:03.320 the beat, but I had this take of Mantronics performing 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:08.000 at the Red Patron m and Tricky T who rhymed 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:10.240 of course in Mantronics. He was just like, you know, yeah, 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:11.920 you know what I'm and I'm out in Long Island 1:20:11.960 --> 1:20:13.880 right now, Locus Long Island be wilding like that's but 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:15.880 that's where I'm staying at Long And I was like, Yo, 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:18.840 it would be dope to put this in this beat, 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:22.640 and then of course us just take it just elsewhere. 1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:24.920 It was like, and we don't even rhyme on Let's 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:27.080 let SDP and con rhyme on this shit because they 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:30.679 ain't from Long Island. They're from Japan, right right, Since 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.280 we thought that would be like, wow, all right, let's 1:20:34.320 --> 1:20:35.360 do that, and then that's what we did. 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:40.240 I see on I Am I Be? How many side 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:43.160 characters did you guys get to loop? And did they 1:20:43.160 --> 1:20:46.160 have to loop the entire five minute duration of that 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:49.840 song of whatever they were the I Am da da 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:51.880 da I'd be four eleven I Am da da da? 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:54.160 I bet did they do that in the entire. 1:20:55.160 --> 1:21:00.200 All those vocals mainly consisted of stuff I will walk 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:01.920 around my dad and just get people to say it. 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:04.960 So at that point, I was we were hanging out 1:21:04.960 --> 1:21:07.960 a lot at Delaware State. Our friend Wade, who's boss 1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:14.360 all who Dave is he's on the ad libs And David, Yeah, 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:16.960 he went to Dell State, so we also hang out there, 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:19.320 and so all the friends we made there, I had 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:20.840 him like, Yo, I'm making a song call and my 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:22.479 be and need to just say I am your name, 1:21:23.000 --> 1:21:26.120 I be whatever, and then I will get them. But then, 1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:28.640 of course Shorty, who was already at this point going 1:21:28.720 --> 1:21:31.960 to be on the entire album we wanted. We wanted Shorty. 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:35.040 I was like, this as long as you can possibly 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:37.679 say it. And then of course, like people like Buster 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:41.599 and Q Tip and we recorded them right in battery 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:45.400 and God blessed the dead. Crazy enough Bob of course 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:48.639 helped us put all that together. And this is before 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:51.040 the simple age of what we have now, like you 1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:54.800 make a voice note, you slip place. It wasn't just 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:58.880 as simple. It was like really kind of already figuring out, Okay, Bob, 1:21:58.880 --> 1:22:01.080 I want this to go first. I want to hear 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:03.920 this say this person, but I wanted to kind of 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:06.920 start building up and he's like and so he technically 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:09.400 is trying to figure out how to do that. And 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:11.400 then also I could change I can be like because 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:14.320 when Tip says I am cute to I'd be friction. 1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:17.479 I was like, Yo, that's amazing, let's put Tip this move. 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:21.760 Whoever was in the way put Tip saying that. So 1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:26.080 it was tedious, like probably doing the rhymes to that 1:22:26.280 --> 1:22:31.240 was easier than putting all those vocals, and that took. 1:22:31.680 --> 1:22:34.360 I almost wondered if well, I was wondering, did you 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:38.599 leave gaps in the rhyme just to have the ad 1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:40.280 libs coming now? 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.200 No, we just figured out, like, you know what this 1:22:42.240 --> 1:22:45.160 feels good? I knew okay, like right where I in 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:48.280 my rhyme. I wanted someone to say something. I figured, okay, 1:22:48.320 --> 1:22:50.920 I got one left over from Chris Lighty Baby, Chris 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:54.559 you say this like, yeah, man, it was just trying 1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:56.280 to fill it up as much as possible. 1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:57.280 Got it. 1:22:57.800 --> 1:22:58.120 Uh? 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:00.960 Did JVS ever respond to your verse? And I M 1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:01.840 I B no. 1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:04.040 I played it for them before the song, before the 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:06.400 album came out. I went to them and played it. 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:09.680 I sat. I remember, I was in a car with 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:11.720 Long and them. I was like, yo, I'm putting a 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:15.400 I played it for them. I played it for Q Tip, 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:17.599 I played it for I played it for them. It 1:23:17.640 --> 1:23:19.479 wasn't like they heard it for the first time when 1:23:19.520 --> 1:23:23.519 it was you know, and it was me because our 1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:29.320 relationship wasn't a weird space. We were always refining fame 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:37.080 and I kind of really took it to heart because 1:23:37.560 --> 1:23:40.160 I looked at them as my two brothers, you know, 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:43.679 like I was hanging with those two dudes q Tip 1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:46.640 in Africa at one point more than I was hanging with, 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:52.040 you know, Dave and Mace, so I own, and we 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:56.000 weren't doing daylight stuff. I was at Africa's house, in 1:23:56.000 --> 1:23:58.439 his house, staying at his house, his mother's cooking for 1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:00.760 so I would be at Tips house and we were 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:04.240 like together. So it seemed like we was falling apart 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:08.640 from each other. And that was just me being in 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:12.519 my feelings and wrote that where in hindsight it was 1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:14.320 just really should have been more of a talk with 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.559 each other about what was going on with each other. 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:19.840 But I went to them in hopes of showing them 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:23.880 this in my way of just trying to fix our 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:27.040 relationship where it seemed like we weren't all hanging with 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:29.599 each other, got it, you know, and Tipp and spoke 1:24:29.640 --> 1:24:31.960 about it like he understood it then. But it just 1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:34.320 that once that it came out, it was just kind 1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:36.719 of like a bandit that's kept getting ripped and ripped 1:24:36.760 --> 1:24:40.320 and ripped. And I think like it caused some animosity 1:24:40.400 --> 1:24:43.879 maybe at some point, and whoever else. 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:49.040 All right, Stakes's eye the intro who just happened to 1:24:49.080 --> 1:24:53.439 be battling another MC when they hear criminal Minded for 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:56.639 the first time, I'd never ever believe that line as 1:24:56.680 --> 1:25:01.080 long as I like Most battling another see that had 1:25:01.120 --> 1:25:01.639 to be Moose. 1:25:05.600 --> 1:25:11.160 Oh I love that boy man. Most y'all seen Bay Wow. Yeah, 1:25:11.840 --> 1:25:15.000 I will say it forever and ever. He was the 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:18.799 battery of all those sessions. Most once he came around. 1:25:18.800 --> 1:25:22.720 He was there every day and he was like the cheerleader, 1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:25.440 the battery, the inspiration. 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:28.000 How did you guys meet him? Because I met him 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:31.120 through I think I've met him for the first time 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:35.840 that whatever the Daylight live at tramps. Yeah, how did 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:38.040 you guys meet most Room Mace? 1:25:39.200 --> 1:25:44.960 Mace was DJing at some spot and most actually was 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:48.479 the particular spot it was. Most was like doing some 1:25:48.520 --> 1:25:51.599 type of poetry hosting there, and I think from there 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:55.559 it's how they linked. And Mace every now and then 1:25:55.600 --> 1:25:59.599 would be like, Yo, this kid, you know, he's dope, 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:02.960 and I was like, you know, cool, you know, come 1:26:03.000 --> 1:26:05.400 by the studio one day, mind you, I'm already seeing 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:10.360 this Dante Smith Guy Cosby's mysteries. I didn't know that, 1:26:11.000 --> 1:26:13.719 but yeah, I mean once Mace brought most through, told 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:17.160 have most come through? He was like there every day. 1:26:17.960 --> 1:26:22.200 Okay, when you get to Stakes reissues, can you please 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:29.519 include the original Dave intro where he's we're jumpling and 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:32.800 and oh the very the intro song, the intro. 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:35.639 Yeah, because it's the anniversary coming up in a few 1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:37.680 months and we're dealing with right now what we're going 1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:38.280 to put on it. 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:43.439 Oh please, Like, I don't know why y'all edited that, 1:26:43.640 --> 1:26:45.639 but for me, just too long. 1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:46.360 It's just too long. 1:26:46.479 --> 1:26:50.040 That's no, it was. It was genius because you you're 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:52.280 literally inside the head of Davids. He's trying to figure 1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:55.320 out the right cadence. But I don't know. I always 1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:58.559 thought that was that was brilliant. By that point, ninety 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:01.679 six was upon us. We were getting the two. Critics 1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:07.400 started sort of labeled the perspective as somewhat elitist or 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:10.439 they invented a new term called player hating or whatever. 1:27:11.080 --> 1:27:15.280 But when you compare it to what we're dealing with 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:19.720 now looking back, do you find it surprising how hip 1:27:19.760 --> 1:27:25.719 hop has evolved or devolved? And is it shocking? What's 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:29.479 your feelings on the whole Stakes as ye kind of. 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:34.880 For the most part of me. I'm a positive dude, 1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:37.720 believe it or not, because I know a lot of 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:39.559 times when I look at sometimes I'll say to this 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:41.920 to myself. When I write, I can write things out 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:44.240 of like a warning, lady light be careful, y'all, this 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:48.920 is about to happen. But I do feel that even now, 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:53.880 there's amazing music out It's just the problem is you 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:56.439 just gotta find it. It's not easy to find. And 1:27:56.479 --> 1:28:01.400 I think with our minds, you know, someone to be like, 1:28:01.479 --> 1:28:03.040 you know what, I only know how to look on 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:05.040 this particular site of post to go to that site, 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:07.600 and that site is its own world. And so I 1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:10.439 think it's harder to find stuff. And so when you 1:28:10.479 --> 1:28:13.840 talk about at one point when mainstream music could have 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:17.240 more positivity, you know, like the carrist One with the 1:28:17.360 --> 1:28:21.120 super great hit, but he's carrist One or Tribe got 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:24.320 this beautiful, amazing record in their pott Yeah, I mean 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:27.760 that's a little hard to come by these days. And 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:32.280 you know, stakes is high. Originally for me was about life. 1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:37.640 So even Dave was like always really a little bit 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:41.440 more about the industry, Like, yo, this industry is some bullshitting. 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.280 I don't know where we stand in the industry, and 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:47.559 I was like, you know, I was reading a lot 1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:51.559 of quite honestly, like you know, like a heap arigin 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:54.400 wite books and different types of I don't know where 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:56.160 life is at, Like life is a little crazy. 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:58.519 So I think you about to go to Penn station 1:28:58.640 --> 1:28:59.080 with the crate. 1:28:59.760 --> 1:29:03.879 Yeah, at y'all, I was. I used to get my books. 1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:06.120 I used to get I was, you know, I was 1:29:06.160 --> 1:29:08.559 really deep. I was really deep, you know, honestly I was. 1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:11.400 I was a part of the new Wappian nation. My 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:14.880 name was Fox Korder, I knew Doctor York. I would 1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:17.280 go down to the land. Yeah, if you look at 1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:20.519 Break of Dawn on Balloon Mind stay times, like even 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:22.320 the video Breaker Down, I got the patches on on 1:29:22.360 --> 1:29:24.720 my shirt, so I was. I was heavily and. 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:32.639 I missed that he the next Lifetime video with Erica too. 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:33.599 Then I know it. 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:39.640 So I mean like, yeah, I mean I was just 1:29:39.680 --> 1:29:43.160 really on some like yeah, life is life, and as 1:29:43.200 --> 1:29:45.760 they would stay these days, and we really need to 1:29:45.800 --> 1:29:48.920 look at what we're doing, and we meant it in 1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:51.439 a really good way. We didn't we know, we didn't 1:29:51.479 --> 1:29:54.840 want it to turn around and say anything mean And 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:57.280 then get into some issue with someone, but we was 1:29:57.320 --> 1:29:59.120 willing to if it had to be, because we just 1:29:59.200 --> 1:30:01.760 really was saying it love. And as you said, when 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:03.800 you look at where a lot of music is today, 1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:06.599 and funny enough, a lot of MC's back then who 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:10.320 felt differently, they feel the same now and they'll come 1:30:10.360 --> 1:30:11.880 to us and be like yo, like kind of like 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:12.599 you was right. 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:16.520 Why did you guys waste that NonStop beat? 1:30:16.760 --> 1:30:17.080 Hey? 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.600 That shit could have went far for y'all. And I 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:24.840 get angry every time it comes up, and I'm always like, 1:30:25.080 --> 1:30:29.080 I know there's a corresponding song that goes with that thing, 1:30:29.240 --> 1:30:31.400 because it was just. 1:30:31.360 --> 1:30:34.519 A banging ass beat Dave made and he wanted to 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:38.240 use it to talk over ain't crazy enough, no man, 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:40.800 which is the beauty of it all. Like I didn't 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:43.439 give him any I didn't really beat him in ahead 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:49.320 about it. I didn't even be like yo, like, uh, yeah, 1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:51.479 I didn't. I didn't look at it like yo, we 1:30:51.520 --> 1:30:54.080 should rhyme on this. Nah. It was just like, oh, 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:56.120 this is dope, and now you want to do this 1:30:56.160 --> 1:31:00.519 over and fade up and fade down. You know. Really 1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:02.479 it really was like that. I mean, there's a lot 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:04.280 of songs like that. I mean, you know, it's so easy. 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:07.160 It was like that. I didn't That's why Dave, that's 1:31:07.200 --> 1:31:08.880 why I became his soule thing. I didn't see it. 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:09.840 That's something to rhyme over. 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:14.240 Were you supposed to have a verse on it's so easy? 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:17.559 No, because originally it's so easy. I made that for 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:22.960 Naughty by Nature. That was for them. Oh shit, yeah there, 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:26.080 because when we were finishing up stakes as high, that 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:29.559 could have worked well, we were finishing up stakes as high. 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:33.160 Audie Lacatus, who was working on Tommy Boy, was like, look, man, 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:36.840 we're working you know, Naughty just got started on their album, 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:41.040 but we've already identified a few songs that could be singles, 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:42.800 and we want to get ahead of the game and 1:31:42.840 --> 1:31:45.479 get remixes going. I was like, Yo, that's so smart 1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:48.599 of y'all. That's wow. That's a great idea. And when 1:31:48.640 --> 1:31:52.040 they played for me, feel Me Flawed, Feel Me Flaw 1:31:53.000 --> 1:32:00.519 B So that was for that. Yeah. I put that together. 1:32:00.680 --> 1:32:04.840 But when in doing it, I was like, after hearing it, 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:10.160 I matched trench vocals and to it, I was like, Nah, 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:13.920 this ain't gonna work because their version was so already 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:18.400 clean and crispy, and just like so dope. I just 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:21.559 felt like as a remix it was a step below 1:32:21.600 --> 1:32:23.920 it and how the music felt, it almost felt like 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:27.760 what I made could have been the original. And then 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:32.320 you go at that time, you know what I'm saying, 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:36.040 I felt like this ain't a good remix, and I 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:38.439 got to maybe try to find something else, and then 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:41.120 from there it would have just went in a pile 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:43.960 of jump. I just from that point I liked what 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:46.840 I did, and then I was like yo, yo, Me 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:49.479 and Renee from Jeanne. We were hanging around each other 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:53.760 a lot at that point because album, we just kind 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:55.559 of would just be around each other all the time. 1:32:55.600 --> 1:32:57.519 I was like, you know what, maybe I'm gonna see 1:32:57.520 --> 1:32:59.519 if Rene want to use it for something for Jehane. 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:03.200 Dave just happened to call me checking in and I 1:33:03.240 --> 1:33:06.000 was like, yeah, man, I just tried something for this, 1:33:06.120 --> 1:33:09.040 not anything. It ain't h it didn't work. He said, yo, 1:33:09.120 --> 1:33:10.559 let me hear it, and I let him hear it, 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:12.680 and he just pretty much hit me, but like you 1:33:12.760 --> 1:33:15.519 big dum, he are you crazy? This is fucking amazing 1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:19.200 what you we should do this? And I was like, really, 1:33:20.320 --> 1:33:23.000 I didn't hear it. I didn't hear at all. I mean, 1:33:23.080 --> 1:33:25.759 mind you, even even at that point, I was already 1:33:25.760 --> 1:33:30.719 doing something with Most and his crew Madina green Ild 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:32.400 even could have been like I could have gave it 1:33:32.439 --> 1:33:36.519 to them, and Dave was like fuck that. He's a 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:38.840 matter of fact, merse, I don't even have a solo 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:43.680 joint for this. That's my solo joint, all right. I 1:33:43.680 --> 1:33:46.080 couldn't hear myself on it. I didn't hear myself. When 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:48.000 he was like, we should do it, I was like, really, 1:33:48.800 --> 1:33:49.599 I didn't even hear it. 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:53.639 Okay, So Commons code sign was very crucial for his 1:33:53.680 --> 1:33:58.120 career development. What was about him that told you guys like, 1:33:59.560 --> 1:34:02.880 let's him raise him? Because him being on that made 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:06.439 me go back to RESI like, make me go to Resurrection, Like, okay, 1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:08.479 let me if day all I take some serious, let 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:12.840 me take but seriously, the line that racknophobia line on 1:34:12.920 --> 1:34:16.400 take it easy. I put him in time out for 1:34:16.439 --> 1:34:20.559 like three years. So no, dude, Common, help me buy 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:23.040 my mom's first GRIBs. So you guys co signing that 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:26.400 affects my life. So what was it about Common that 1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:27.360 you know. 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:31.280 We had met? Okay? Obviously, as you said, you know 1:34:31.320 --> 1:34:35.240 from the first album. His first album saw him cool. 1:34:36.400 --> 1:34:38.960 We meet him even from that point. A few times 1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:40.760 we would run into him, Like I say, at that 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:44.080 Howard University they would have like a rap conference, so 1:34:44.120 --> 1:34:47.200 we were running to comment there whatever. Mace was the 1:34:47.240 --> 1:34:50.800 one who kept saying, y'all, we need to put comment 1:34:50.840 --> 1:34:53.960 on this album. And we would be like, all right, 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:57.280 you know, if we find something, but it wasn't really 1:34:57.320 --> 1:35:01.479 anything that was sparking me about it. Mace just kept saying, like, Yo, 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:06.439 man Common should be on his album. I at some 1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:11.120 point got an early copy of Resurrection the album, and 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:16.720 when I got to Communism, I was like, I called 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:19.160 Mace's like, Yo, yeah, this nigga need to be on 1:35:19.160 --> 1:35:22.320 an album. And he had that kind of he had 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:24.680 that tone like all right, nigga, what convinced you? I 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:28.679 was like, Yo, I'm listening to this nigga's new album. Yeah, yeah, 1:35:28.680 --> 1:35:30.800 all right, he needs to be on an album. Dave 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:34.000 at the same time, was trying to give Bizz. David 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:35.719 was trying to do a bunch of shit for Biz. 1:35:36.600 --> 1:35:38.000 He was trying to like, Yo, I'm telling you, I 1:35:38.040 --> 1:35:39.960 think I got a bunch of shit that could be 1:35:40.040 --> 1:35:42.320 dope for Biz. And his business. Let me write the rhyme. 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:46.120 So Dave had this one joint that was really dope, 1:35:46.520 --> 1:35:48.920 and then he had what was going to become the business. 1:35:49.000 --> 1:35:50.519 He was like, Yo, this is what this will be 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:54.960 for Bizz, and he's like ow, Bizz kept fucking around 1:35:55.000 --> 1:35:58.080 and not coming to the studio. Like Dave was doing 1:35:58.080 --> 1:35:59.599 a lot of stuff in his own house. He had 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:01.719 a bunch of a dads and we will record stuff. 1:36:01.880 --> 1:36:04.320 They built a vocal boove and so we would do 1:36:04.360 --> 1:36:06.360 a lot of stuff at his crib and Bigs would 1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:07.720 be like, yeah, David, I'll be there. I'll be there, 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:10.960 and he would never come. So he was like, yo, man, 1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:15.240 fuck it this beat, let's do it. Let us do it, 1:36:15.479 --> 1:36:17.280 and we're gonna just fuck with biz and call it 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:21.320 the business. So I was like, Yo, maybe this is 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:23.040 this could be the joke we put comment on. This 1:36:23.080 --> 1:36:25.800 is some ron friendly shit, and that's exactly what we did. 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:30.160 You know, I see, all right? Also four More should 1:36:30.160 --> 1:36:31.320 have been a single man. 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:34.960 I agree, But what we were told is that it 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:40.080 felt to adult. It felt too like Von Harper. Adult 1:36:40.160 --> 1:36:41.479 is from Tommy. 1:36:41.560 --> 1:36:57.400 Yes, So you're one of the rare artists that has 1:36:57.640 --> 1:37:03.080 an arsenal of Dilla tracks that you've rhymed over that 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:06.760 were given to you specifically, and I think just because 1:37:06.800 --> 1:37:09.000 of the introest you can see of it, most people 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:14.040 would assume, oh, stakes Aside must be everyone's favorite Dilla track. 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:17.960 But that's not the case with me. What is your favorite? 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:20.479 Deala track that you've rhymed over? 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:23.479 Space is up there. Now it got to be a 1:37:23.560 --> 1:37:24.599 Daylight record or anyway. 1:37:24.760 --> 1:37:26.400 I just want to make me no, no, no, just for 1:37:26.680 --> 1:37:31.080 yes Daylight like that you've rhymed over, Like there's see 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:34.679 verbal clap to me. Just like one time I almost 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:38.120 got in a car accident. Literally I couldn't drive straight 1:37:38.120 --> 1:37:40.800 because I was just so jealous of that goddamn intro. 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:43.320 Yeah, that's that's exactly I was about to say, verbal clap, 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:48.920 verbal clap, yo. I mean, I just remember him letting 1:37:49.000 --> 1:37:52.240 us hear it. When I heard that record, I was like, 1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:58.200 this shit is absolutely insane. And it was right where 1:37:59.160 --> 1:38:01.600 we were at that point making that album, Like you know, 1:38:01.640 --> 1:38:03.200 we were just like, Yo, this gotta be more of 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:05.160 like a beats and rhymes. We felt like that's what 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:08.479 he needed to be, and that's what that particular song 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:12.160 showed it. I mean, it just made you want to 1:38:12.200 --> 1:38:15.840 this right to it right, yeah, I mean even down 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:19.200 to the fact of the version that he did. When 1:38:19.280 --> 1:38:24.799 we asked at this point Jay to send us, Okay, 1:38:24.920 --> 1:38:27.120 send us you know the tracks so we you know, 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:29.120 so we can now track a track it. 1:38:29.320 --> 1:38:30.040 Yeah. 1:38:30.160 --> 1:38:32.479 He it was something that he had already left on 1:38:33.080 --> 1:38:36.960 whatever system he had in Detroit. He didn't know where 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:37.479 it was. 1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:39.719 That's y'all just rhyming over the B tape. 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:43.920 Yeah, because in mind you, I went to La to 1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:47.840 get up with him. He remade it. So even to 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:50.680 see him do that was crazy. He remade it to 1:38:50.800 --> 1:38:57.880 even see where the was actually like some beautiful lovely 1:38:57.920 --> 1:39:00.840 get talk about bling bling bling ling ling and he 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:03.320 garage band of sound. 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:05.720 And and I was like, so he did some like 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:08.439 a guy vers shit where it was just yeah, because 1:39:08.439 --> 1:39:10.840 I see him that set up in his kitchen, yo. 1:39:11.640 --> 1:39:15.360 I mean like I was just flawed. I was just like, 1:39:15.840 --> 1:39:20.280 I was floored by how he reput this this ship together. 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:24.800 He just remade it. And then but even in remaking it, 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:29.080 it was just missing something that the original did had. 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:31.640 I took it back from La back to the to 1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:34.519 New York. We put the rhymes to it. We synked 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:38.479 everything up and we were distilled, like and it just 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:41.479 wound up being like, nah, man the two track, it's better? 1:39:41.680 --> 1:39:43.880 Does this? Do it to the two track? And he 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:44.960 was winning. He was like, nah, I. 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:51.720 Hear you for peer pressure? Whose idea was it to 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:57.240 slow the song down? Like even more than what it 1:39:57.439 --> 1:40:00.599 was to give you the impression that you're on weed? 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:04.800 That was JD Jay didn't and he didn't even know 1:40:04.840 --> 1:40:06.599 the idea. It was already like. 1:40:06.600 --> 1:40:12.439 That, oh really yep, which is because so blatant though, 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:15.559 because it just gets slower, like the first time I 1:40:15.600 --> 1:40:18.439 heard it. During that period, I will say that eighty 1:40:18.479 --> 1:40:22.400 percent of my listening was always like driving in my car. 1:40:22.520 --> 1:40:24.519 I just got my license in two thousand and four, 1:40:24.640 --> 1:40:28.479 so like I would just drive forever. And even I 1:40:28.560 --> 1:40:31.080 was like, yo, like is it me or is this 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:34.240 shit slowing down? And he didn't know that that's what 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:34.920 you were doing it for. 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:39.080 Nope, he had already given me the beat. I thought 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:42.680 the beat was dope, but then it worked with the 1:40:42.800 --> 1:40:48.559 idea that me mace and be real that came up with, 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:53.640 like he wrote, we was at some radio function, you know, 1:40:53.800 --> 1:40:58.519 some show function that a radio station put on and Mace. 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:00.840 I could see Mace out the side of his I 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:02.759 saying something to be real because they had just rolled 1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:05.360 up and and he was like, Mercy want something. I 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:08.559 was like, and they laugh and he was like, come on, 1:41:08.960 --> 1:41:12.599 the pressure man, the pressure right. And I immediately came 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:14.200 up with the idea right there. I was like, Yo, 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:16.680 that'd be a dope song. Y'all trying to make me 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:22.960 smoke weed Jay sent us that beat. I was like, 1:41:23.280 --> 1:41:25.880 it's this record because on its own it was doing 1:41:25.880 --> 1:41:28.759 that slow and then kind of sped up things. 1:41:28.720 --> 1:41:34.240 Right right, No, Merse, do you remember when Prince kicked 1:41:34.280 --> 1:41:36.439 you out your own session? Yes? 1:41:36.479 --> 1:41:40.160 I remember, Oh boy, I remember that. 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:43.920 And I don't remember and I don't mean Prince Paul either. 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:47.400 Because I walked into it. You were already thick in it. 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:52.479 I walked into her lady. Yeah, I'm saying, but the 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:55.160 young lady who ran Mary Mary. 1:41:55.439 --> 1:41:55.759 Yes. 1:41:56.439 --> 1:42:00.000 When I walked in, she was apologizing, I'm so sorry, Pa. 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:02.240 So I'm like sorry for what I just walked in. 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:06.280 What happened? And she's like, it's your session. I said, 1:42:06.280 --> 1:42:07.880 oh something, you know, I'm just thinking, like, you know, 1:42:08.000 --> 1:42:10.280 maybe someone ran over and She's like, no, it's just 1:42:10.400 --> 1:42:13.200 because he's here, and then I you, I see you, 1:42:13.240 --> 1:42:15.240 and then you're saying the same thing, and you're like, 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:18.120 because the Royalty, dude, this guy is see I'm like 1:42:19.479 --> 1:42:22.679 about it. Yeah, and then it becomes it's because Prince 1:42:22.880 --> 1:42:26.479 took over all the rooms and playing music for Warner Brothers. 1:42:26.520 --> 1:42:28.720 He's about to get his I'll guess work out a 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:30.280 deal with them again and whatever. 1:42:30.520 --> 1:42:35.080 Right, Yeah, well I only saw the back of Clive Davis. No, 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:37.880 it was actually for it, Sony. He he walked in 1:42:37.920 --> 1:42:40.760 with Clive Davis. Both times I saw them walk in 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:42.599 and walked out, but it was always to their back 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:46.000 to us, and they knew they were taking our room 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:48.679 over and they didn't say anything. 1:42:49.600 --> 1:42:53.959 Yeah, it was crazy. And so when he finally seized 1:42:53.960 --> 1:42:57.559 me at one point, he very apologetic, but I gave 1:42:57.640 --> 1:43:04.760 him the hardest squeezed hand Eric b squeezed. I was like, yo, like. 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:11.840 Yeah, I think to give everyone context, there was half 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:14.679 a second where you guys couldn't clear ode to Billy 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:19.000 Joe's drum break from Lou Donaldson. You picked the day 1:43:19.280 --> 1:43:24.240 in which we had just mastered in sequenced Voodoo, like 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:26.880 four years of work was done, but yet we had 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:29.400 the room locked out, and you know, during the daytime, 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:31.360 d would always let me use the room while he 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:34.280 was like working out or whatever. So I know, in 1:43:34.320 --> 1:43:37.360 one room we were sequencing the record for Voodoo and 1:43:37.400 --> 1:43:40.400 in the other room trying to do the session, and 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:43.519 we got kicked out. So I guess you were the 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:47.240 first person to hear Voodoo not in the circle. I 1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:49.800 remember you were the very first person to hear it, sir, 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:54.040 And I was nervous listening that record, like from start 1:43:54.120 --> 1:43:58.040 to finish at the end of it. All right, So inclosing, 1:43:58.760 --> 1:44:02.240 what three non hip hop albums do you listen to 1:44:02.320 --> 1:44:03.080 from front to back? 1:44:05.000 --> 1:44:05.920 Non hip hop? 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:10.920 I mean three most perfect records that you put on 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:18.040 there's no skips, Wow, key of Liar, okay, Stevie Wonder. 1:44:18.320 --> 1:44:20.400 Yeah, non hip hop. 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:23.799 For the guy that invented the twenty four track single album, 1:44:23.880 --> 1:44:26.320 I figured, yeah, I. 1:44:26.280 --> 1:44:32.879 Mean, it's just it's crazy that it's all well, wow, Voodoo, 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:39.639 oh cool, Wooo, Front the Back, al Greens, Let's stay 1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:43.720 together Front the Back, Okay. Remind me of my I 1:44:43.760 --> 1:44:46.639 mean amazing records, of course, But like when I was young, 1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:48.400 I thought my father was our Green because when I 1:44:48.439 --> 1:44:51.000 was young, he would sing it as his plan. So 1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:52.679 I was like he sounded like him and. 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:56.839 He looks like must be Okay, what are the three 1:44:56.960 --> 1:44:58.639 hip hop records that you live for? 1:44:59.320 --> 1:45:02.920 Three hip hop records that I live for? Wow, Raising, 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:10.400 hell By Run, DMC, Criminal Minded, and what else. It's definitely, 1:45:10.439 --> 1:45:13.559 I mean it's those two at the top and a 1:45:13.640 --> 1:45:14.680 nation of millions. 1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:20.120 Okay, what three hip hop songs have you committed to memory? 1:45:20.960 --> 1:45:23.679 Three hip hop songs I've committed to memory your three 1:45:23.720 --> 1:45:26.880 favorite I'm just trying to tell you that that's hard 1:45:26.880 --> 1:45:29.080 for me. How funny enough, I had this talk with 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:33.120 with thought Freak about this, Like I was never a 1:45:33.200 --> 1:45:35.720 dude who could commit. It's really hard for me to 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:38.479 do that music. I can tell you where the drops is, 1:45:38.520 --> 1:45:40.680 where the high hat is. It's hard for me to 1:45:40.760 --> 1:45:46.000 commit lyrics, really very hard, and like I have to 1:45:46.080 --> 1:45:46.919 force myself. 1:45:47.000 --> 1:45:48.120 You're the king of lyrics. 1:45:48.800 --> 1:45:52.920 It's very hard for me to commit lyrics to memory 1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:56.559 of other artists of songs. So like it gotta be 1:45:56.600 --> 1:45:59.599 something super easy. So like it's like Arabi for President. 1:46:00.280 --> 1:46:04.200 It's like top billing, right, like those songs, It's like 1:46:05.280 --> 1:46:08.280 I can remember it easy because like Coolie Rap, as 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:10.479 much as I love him, I'll die if you put 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:11.719 a gun to my head and tell me this. 1:46:14.040 --> 1:46:17.000 Right now, I get it. What are your three favorite 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:17.839 Daylight records? 1:46:18.800 --> 1:46:22.760 Millie? Immediately Millie pulled the pistol on Santa I am 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:25.400 I be trying people. 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:34.040 To trying people to me, man. That's when I heard it. 1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:37.640 I was like, Yo, Daila has a lighter song. I 1:46:37.720 --> 1:46:39.840 was like, when they do this in concert, they have to. 1:46:41.680 --> 1:46:45.080 I was so jealous that you found that song, man, 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:49.040 Like I just I listened to that ship like ten times. 1:46:49.240 --> 1:46:51.799 My younger brother he made that. He made that record 1:46:51.800 --> 1:46:54.960 with his Lucky Luck made that with his Holy Perp. 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:55.920 Yeah. 1:46:55.960 --> 1:46:57.439 Man, when I heard it, I was like, you know, 1:46:57.800 --> 1:47:00.559 I lived for records like that. It just like something 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:01.760 I had to pour my heart out. 1:47:02.080 --> 1:47:04.360 Who sparked it first, You or Dave? 1:47:05.160 --> 1:47:07.120 We were doing it pretty much at the same time, 1:47:07.160 --> 1:47:09.320 but he got on first. He wanted to go first. 1:47:09.360 --> 1:47:12.040 And even when I heard his verse, it has made 1:47:12.120 --> 1:47:15.479 me like, oh my god, this is amazing. And my 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:18.439 verse was a lot longer. Where I where I end 1:47:18.720 --> 1:47:24.640 on record, it's actually all probably like another fourteen bars. 1:47:25.040 --> 1:47:28.160 I didn't have to shorten it because I was like, yo, 1:47:28.200 --> 1:47:30.040 this is this is gonna have people crying. So I 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:38.320 shortened it and then where I ended it, Yeah. 1:47:36.240 --> 1:47:40.799 Okay, what's the last nice thing that you've done for yourself? 1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:47.240 Last nice thing that I have done for myself? I 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:47.600 don't know. 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:51.800 Are you a car person? Do you collect artwork? Are you? 1:47:52.720 --> 1:47:55.080 I don't know. I don't know about cars, so I 1:47:55.080 --> 1:47:55.920 don't care about cars. 1:47:55.960 --> 1:47:56.439 Do you drive? 1:47:57.200 --> 1:47:59.839 Yeah? I can drive? I drive right? 1:48:01.600 --> 1:48:04.000 Do you have a self care routine? Like, especially now 1:48:04.040 --> 1:48:05.520 that we're of this age where. 1:48:05.960 --> 1:48:09.719 Just truly in tune to take care of myself things 1:48:09.720 --> 1:48:13.120 that I've already knew I've through the years, started to 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:16.360 put them on into practice. You know, a lot of 1:48:15.920 --> 1:48:19.080 the young living that we did on tour, like the 1:48:19.160 --> 1:48:23.240 super staying up late, eating after a show, you know, 1:48:23.320 --> 1:48:26.000 and going right to bed, stuff like that Ben stopped 1:48:26.000 --> 1:48:29.719 for me, but just putting more of it into practice, 1:48:29.840 --> 1:48:33.120 you know, losing Dave even before even when this Dave 1:48:33.240 --> 1:48:35.080 was still here and had his health issues and basically 1:48:35.160 --> 1:48:38.439 have his self issues, and Yo, I was just realizing, like, yo, man, 1:48:38.520 --> 1:48:41.240 I just need to be here for my younger kids. 1:48:41.280 --> 1:48:44.760 And I just start putting just a lot of that 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:49.160 into practice, Like I cut off processed foods. I you know, 1:48:49.240 --> 1:48:52.960 I just eat tons of fruits. I eat no type 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:57.280 of candy, no breads unless it's like sour dough like. 1:48:57.360 --> 1:49:00.080 So I've just really been in the gym stuff like that. 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:02.720 So I've just really been on my it's taking care 1:49:02.760 --> 1:49:03.280 of myself. 1:49:03.640 --> 1:49:07.960 Yeah, Like, how hard was it picking up the pieces 1:49:08.000 --> 1:49:11.240 for you and Mace to sort of carry this vision through, 1:49:11.840 --> 1:49:15.000 especially in this phase of your life, making the Cabin 1:49:15.080 --> 1:49:17.960 to the Sky and seeing it through. Just talk about 1:49:18.000 --> 1:49:20.720 the process of how did you get through it? 1:49:21.520 --> 1:49:24.640 I mean, and I'm not really trying to sound like 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:30.200 I don't know Ornie and uplifting, but Dave really was 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:35.280 there through it, like I felt I've felt signs from him. 1:49:35.520 --> 1:49:37.800 I mean, I may have spoken to you about this life, 1:49:37.800 --> 1:49:42.599 even down to the album title when once I saw 1:49:42.680 --> 1:49:45.719 the title and I'm like, this should be the title, 1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:49.519 and it's it's speaking to me, and I'm trying to 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:53.960 load it into my phone like all the newer Deyla 1:49:54.120 --> 1:49:56.439 untitled songs, and it would no longer go into my 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:58.960 phone by the time I changed it to Cabin the 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:02.200 Sky goes into my Like I just felt like Dave 1:50:02.320 --> 1:50:06.439 was there with me through it, and just how we've 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:09.520 just normally done with Daylight albums, like just the sequencing, 1:50:09.600 --> 1:50:12.759 and it just felt right. We had some other great songs, 1:50:12.800 --> 1:50:15.439 but I was like, you know what, this song I 1:50:15.479 --> 1:50:19.559 got from soundtrack, it's amazing, but it's not fitting in 1:50:19.960 --> 1:50:23.200 with everything else. So got to put that to the side. 1:50:23.280 --> 1:50:25.160 Or this other song that had Dave on it that 1:50:25.240 --> 1:50:29.040 we have called Take one for the Team could be 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:32.120 another great moment to have Dave on the album, but nah, 1:50:32.360 --> 1:50:34.720 this doesn't work with where it was going. So I 1:50:34.840 --> 1:50:37.760 just kind of let the compass of natural things lead 1:50:37.840 --> 1:50:39.880 me to where I need to go, and just my 1:50:40.000 --> 1:50:43.280 experience of just putting together records, and it came together, 1:50:43.439 --> 1:50:45.840 especially once I got the title, once I knew it 1:50:45.880 --> 1:50:48.960 was gonna be called Cabin in the Sky, everything just 1:50:49.080 --> 1:50:52.280 kind of just fell into place and it didn't feel hard. 1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:55.360 It really didn't. It felt light man, and it felt therapeutic, 1:50:55.439 --> 1:50:57.080 So it didn't really feel hard to do. 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:01.120 All right. My last two questions, Bob, how can you 1:51:01.160 --> 1:51:03.920 just talk about like what his contributions were to the 1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:06.800 group and how what was it like working with him? 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:12.960 Bob Power was one of the most amazing human beings 1:51:13.640 --> 1:51:17.559 I've ever met in this industry ever, So I mean 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:22.240 like to have him being the one who has all 1:51:22.360 --> 1:51:27.200 this knowledge on sound and helping you to reach this 1:51:27.320 --> 1:51:31.040 goal or even see something that and hear something that 1:51:31.080 --> 1:51:35.040 you didn't even realize your music would sound like. I mean, 1:51:36.160 --> 1:51:38.600 what I loved about him from the very beginning is 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:41.880 that he was a person that he didn't treat us 1:51:41.960 --> 1:51:44.519 like we weren't supposed to be there because like a 1:51:44.520 --> 1:51:47.240 lot of these early sessions, you had these engineers who 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:50.360 were like, you know, they were rock dudes and punk 1:51:50.439 --> 1:51:53.080 rock guys, and you know they have these young black 1:51:53.160 --> 1:51:56.439 kids coming in here who got these deals now and 1:51:56.800 --> 1:52:00.559 trying to tell them what to do. Yeah, you know, 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:05.400 and Bobby from Calliope, Dave was very open like wow, 1:52:05.479 --> 1:52:08.519 what is that? And how so what was your thinking 1:52:08.560 --> 1:52:10.719 on that? But then he could show you his thinking 1:52:10.760 --> 1:52:13.479 on something else. So that's why he just became one 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:17.360 of those engineers where you wanted him around you for 1:52:17.479 --> 1:52:18.400 that reason alone. 1:52:18.600 --> 1:52:21.240 Is there a particular song or mix that he transformed 1:52:21.280 --> 1:52:23.760 for you that you yourself didn't see when it was in 1:52:23.800 --> 1:52:26.680 the rough stages? In my mind, do you want more 1:52:26.720 --> 1:52:30.400 of would have been was nowhere near Like once I 1:52:30.439 --> 1:52:32.160 heard him mix, I was like, holy shit, like this 1:52:32.200 --> 1:52:33.040 is a whole new. 1:52:33.360 --> 1:52:36.320 But breaka Dawn is definitely one of them, just how 1:52:36.360 --> 1:52:39.400 I thought it would sonically sound and what and how 1:52:39.520 --> 1:52:42.439 he made because he was like, you know, tracking it 1:52:42.479 --> 1:52:46.120 with us. Crazy enough. Bob is the one who pretty 1:52:46.200 --> 1:52:49.880 much named me plug wonder why Wonder why. It comes 1:52:49.920 --> 1:52:52.080 from him because when we was doing break of Dawn, 1:52:52.520 --> 1:52:55.839 I'm just saying, plug wonder, wonder why you're lonely tonight? 1:52:56.280 --> 1:52:59.640 So once he heard me say it, he just what 1:52:59.800 --> 1:53:02.000 all always just keep saying, plug wonder, wonder why you're 1:53:02.040 --> 1:53:04.599 loning tonight? And so I would come in plug wonder 1:53:04.600 --> 1:53:07.400 why What's up? And I was like and it would 1:53:07.439 --> 1:53:09.559 just become something we would laugh at and I was like, Yo, 1:53:09.600 --> 1:53:11.800 I'm gonna add that to my mini monikers like I 1:53:11.840 --> 1:53:13.639 am plugged wonder why because of Bob. 1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:15.120 Wow. 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:18.040 This is an amazing, amazing and beautiful person as you know. 1:53:18.680 --> 1:53:22.439 All right, My last question, do you have three favorite 1:53:22.520 --> 1:53:25.160 Dave moments on day live recordings? 1:53:25.720 --> 1:53:32.160 Dave doing the Johnny's Dead was absolutely hurlarious in real time. 1:53:32.280 --> 1:53:35.960 Just I can still see him doing it. We're trying 1:53:36.080 --> 1:53:38.479 so bad not to laugh because we don't want the 1:53:38.560 --> 1:53:40.880 mic to pick it up because he wasn't in the booth. 1:53:40.920 --> 1:53:44.800 This is the mic in the room of Calliope and 1:53:44.960 --> 1:53:47.200 I and I'm and even threw a piece of paper 1:53:47.560 --> 1:53:49.400 and I hit him my mistakes. So that's when you said, 1:53:49.560 --> 1:53:53.200 you're sucking us up. Man, you're laughing like so that 1:53:53.320 --> 1:53:57.439 was just one of the most funniest things Dave doing that. Wow. 1:53:57.520 --> 1:54:03.519 What else is? It's holy shit, there's so many him 1:54:03.560 --> 1:54:06.280 doing the stupid well. He was on my answering machine 1:54:06.280 --> 1:54:07.559 and that's when I had to call him back and 1:54:07.640 --> 1:54:08.840 was like, Yo, you know this is gonna go on 1:54:08.880 --> 1:54:09.519 the album, right. 1:54:09.840 --> 1:54:11.519 Oh, Dave has a problem. Seriously. 1:54:15.080 --> 1:54:17.200 Yeah. I was like, when I came home and hurt 1:54:17.200 --> 1:54:20.040 that message, I laughed so hard. And when I called him, 1:54:20.160 --> 1:54:22.280 he already knew what I was calling him for. He's 1:54:22.280 --> 1:54:25.439 already laughing. I was like, Yo, you're an asshole. And 1:54:25.479 --> 1:54:27.800 I was like, and you know that's going on album? 1:54:27.840 --> 1:54:29.360 He said, get out of here. I was like, Yo, man, 1:54:29.439 --> 1:54:30.599 that shit got to go on an album. 1:54:31.200 --> 1:54:31.360 Yeah. 1:54:31.439 --> 1:54:33.600 That was another one. Oh my god, what else? It 1:54:33.800 --> 1:54:38.280 just he was amazing at just off the cuff. Funny 1:54:38.320 --> 1:54:41.720 shit like just he was just so off the cuff 1:54:41.760 --> 1:54:44.680 with it. I feel like I'm missing one from bionics 1:54:44.720 --> 1:54:48.240 that he did something silly on I don't know, it's 1:54:48.240 --> 1:54:48.760 just too many. 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:53.760 Wow. Look man, it is taken forever for this to happen. 1:54:54.080 --> 1:54:56.000 Oh no, I know, man, It's cool. 1:54:56.040 --> 1:54:58.560 And I really appreciate you taking the time out to 1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:01.280 let me finally get this interview out after all these 1:55:01.400 --> 1:55:04.000 years I've been begging you. I mean, I've said it before, man, 1:55:04.240 --> 1:55:08.640 like you guys literally are the inspiration for and the standard, 1:55:08.720 --> 1:55:10.840 the gold standard for which you know, Tarika and I 1:55:10.960 --> 1:55:16.280 judge just greatness man, And the fact that you're still 1:55:16.280 --> 1:55:21.560 constantly doing it and pushing through is commendable. And yeah, man, 1:55:21.920 --> 1:55:23.720 I can't wait to hear what you guys have next. Man, 1:55:23.760 --> 1:55:24.960 So thank you for doing this for me. 1:55:25.560 --> 1:55:27.400 Appreciate it. I love you, man, Thank you so much. 1:55:27.480 --> 1:55:36.800 Love you to bro, all right, thank you. Quest Love 1:55:36.840 --> 1:55:41.360 Shows hosted by me Amir quest Love Thompson. The executive 1:55:41.360 --> 1:55:47.160 producers are Sean g Brian Calhoun and Me. Produced by 1:55:47.280 --> 1:55:52.880 Britney Benjamin and Jacob Pin. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown, 1:55:54.080 --> 1:55:59.000 Edited by Alex Khnan. iHeart Video support by Mark Canton, 1:56:00.360 --> 1:56:05.800 Logos graphics and animation by Nick Paloe. Additional support by 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:11.640 Lance Colman, Special thanks to Kathy Brown, and special thanks 1:56:11.640 --> 1:56:16.440 to Sugar Steve Mandel. 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