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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with I our radio Ashley. Guess what I'm doing this weekend? Hi? Ben,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing this weekend? Well? First off, welcome

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Speaker 1: to another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. I was

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Speaker 1: just so excited tell Ashley that I am flying to

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles for a day to play golf with Wells

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Speaker 1: Adams as we get prepared for the Invited Celebrity Classic

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Speaker 1: in Dallas. Because we're gonna play in LA to get

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Speaker 1: prep for a tournament in three weeks. You know how

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Speaker 1: excited I am about this. I'm ready. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: guys just become professional golfers. You'd be like the official

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Speaker 1: Golfers or Bachelor Nation. Be a good idea. If anybody's

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Speaker 1: listening and wants to watch us play golf, you can

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Speaker 1: watch us on NBC in Dallas. Yeah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a big deal. I think in LA we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: playing with like the Jonas brothers. Oh really, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: Wells plays golf with them. Sometimes. But wait, isn't that

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Speaker 1: this weekend? Yeah, you couldn't possibly be seeing the Jonas

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Speaker 1: this weeking. Because I am seeing them on Saturday doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're not there on Friday Friday. They're not there

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Speaker 1: on Friday because they have a whole week of shows.

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Speaker 1: They're going through each of their albums. I'm sorry on

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Speaker 1: Broadway this week starting tonight. Oh my gosh, that sounds

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Speaker 1: like an awesome deal. So when you get tickets to

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Speaker 1: a Broadway Jonas Brothers show, everybody out there is going

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Speaker 1: tell me more. How can I get tickets? What's going

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Speaker 1: on here? I think they sold out super duper fast.

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Speaker 1: It was like almost like a tailor swow situation. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a Broadway theater, so depending on the theater, it's

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Speaker 1: anywhere from like fort I want to say, like a thousand,

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Speaker 1: I texted our producer Amy Schuckerman, and I said, do

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Speaker 1: we have a little hook up here? And she got

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Speaker 1: I got you covered. Shout out to Amy. I know.

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Speaker 1: I spent entire eight weeks in New York, and then

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Speaker 1: I saw that Jonas was, of course starting their series

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Speaker 1: of shows the night the day that I supposed to leave,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, all these days,

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Speaker 1: although I will miss the nostalgia, the day that I

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Speaker 1: want to go the most is going to be the

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Speaker 1: night that they play the new album for the first time.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm going on Saturday night. Plus I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm not like trying to, like, you know, overshadow your

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Speaker 1: golf weekend with well but but not only do I

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Speaker 1: go back to New York on Saturday. Thank goodness for

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Speaker 1: my mom and Jared for staying home and taking Kara Dawson.

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Speaker 1: Like we've I've been all over the place. Tomorrow, Jared

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Speaker 1: and I are flying to Tampa because we have another

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Speaker 1: opportunity to meet um Tom Brady. We're going to this

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Speaker 1: autograph event that we've have been planned since October, but

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Speaker 1: we didn't know until about an hour before recording this podcast,

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Speaker 1: got an email saying you will have a personal sixty

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Speaker 1: second one on one meeting with Tom. No, it's a

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Speaker 1: second meeting. I said, Jared, how is it possible that

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Speaker 1: you've idolized this man for so it's been like over

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Speaker 1: twenty years and now and now you're gonna meet him

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Speaker 1: twice in six weeks? That would you would you fly

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Speaker 1: across country to meet me? To meet you? Ben don't

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Speaker 1: even like joke about this, because you know that if

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Speaker 1: I wasn't part of Bachelor Nation that yes, I would

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Speaker 1: like you know this if I wasn't part on this

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Speaker 1: side of Bachelor Nation, of the cast side, not like

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Speaker 1: the fandom side, because I would have gone to all

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Speaker 1: these events and done my whole fan girl thing with

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Speaker 1: all of y'all. Yeah, I feel like the show kind

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Speaker 1: of ruined your fangirl stage. You kind of got like

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Speaker 1: numb too a little bit. It comes out probably good, Ben,

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Speaker 1: Do I need more fandoms to get behind? No, I

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Speaker 1: think you're good. But I mean I do think it

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Speaker 1: matured you into a level now where you're like looking

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Speaker 1: at these people equally. I mean, honestly, Tom Brady's lucky

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Speaker 1: to meet you. Oh huh huhs Like, do you think

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Speaker 1: recognize us Maybe not from the moment, but maybe like

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Speaker 1: just from like the content. Yeah, maybe as you're walking away,

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Speaker 1: Disney song behind me? Okay. Anyway, Well that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a great weekend. I can't wait to hear more about

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Speaker 1: this Jones Brothers concert. It's a perk of working for

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Speaker 1: you're doing all right. Well, Ashley, it's another week in

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Speaker 1: the show. Obviously, it's hometown week. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the thing I really have

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Speaker 1: I feel bad for Zach. I'm starting to understand Zach more,

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Speaker 1: especially after this week. I don't change my opinion on

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Speaker 1: Zach again. I think he's a great dude. I think

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Speaker 1: good bachelor. I just think at times like he has

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Speaker 1: him look so awkward. At times like so weird at times,

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Speaker 1: and it's not his fault. The shower scene at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of this episode. For some reason, I missed this

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Speaker 1: shower scene. Somebody sent me to TikTok. But I've seen

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Speaker 1: the shower scene very similar before. So but it's not like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not a Chris Soul's shower scene where

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Speaker 1: they like the hand down. It's not it's not a

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Speaker 1: shower scene that you watch. You go, that dude looks good. Now,

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Speaker 1: a good looking guy. His shirts off, he obviously is

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Speaker 1: very fit, all those things. But they like show the

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Speaker 1: showing the piece that he's like scrubbing his armpits. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: i mean, good for him. Hygiene's important. He doesn't smell bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's you know, I'm I'm proud of him. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is not a criticism towards Zach. I'm wondering why

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Speaker 1: don't know. Zach's the kind of guy I'd rather watch

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Speaker 1: him put on like aftershave or something, you know, you

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Speaker 1: Remember how I made fun of him them for showing

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Speaker 1: like him washing his legs earlier in the season. For that.

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Speaker 1: not like I take like a lot of effort. No,

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Speaker 1: it's a little a little wipe wipe, yeah, a little

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Speaker 1: but it is it does him a big injustice. I think.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when they put that in there, I

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Speaker 1: gonna just be like swooning over how clean his armpit is. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I got it, because you're basically saying, like, come on, guys,

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Speaker 1: there's very few bachelors Nick Ben that we can like

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Speaker 1: really think Nick Ben Ben. I'm sorry, sorry, I know

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Speaker 1: I need Yeah, I didn't mean it. I was going

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Speaker 1: it's like Chris, Ben and Nick and only two out

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Speaker 1: of three look good in a shower scene. I get it.

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Speaker 1: Actually you can, particularly Ben. It would be weird if

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Speaker 1: videos I'm scrolling through and you're like promoting a bra

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Speaker 1: point where it makes it weird. I totally agree. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: an interesting fact about him was that he liked to

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Speaker 1: put mustard on pancakes. That was his topping of choice,

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. It's not absolutely outrageous. Do I think

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Speaker 1: I would ever pick it over syrup? Absolutely not. But

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Speaker 1: to anything but definitely have to hold my own and

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00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: I felt like that there. Now, that's probably where I

424
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: went to because that's the most important and last relationship

425
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: in my life now. Joejoe's brothers, they were tough. They

426
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: were tough, and they were asking me, not similar questions

427
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: to what Ariel's brother asked, but they were asking me

428
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: questions about my intentions. They're asking me questions about where

429
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: this is going to go and who's left, and they

430
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: were asking me why I thought any of this could work.

431
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: Now I feel like the jokes on them a little

432
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: bit now because their sister went off to do the

433
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: show herself and find love and get married. So all

434
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: those questions are answered and they seem fine with it then,

435
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: which yeah is you know, it's cool. But I feel

436
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: for Zachie. I get a protective older brother. I don't

437
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: think he did anything wrong. I think this would be

438
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: a weird thing for an older brother to be sitting in. However,

439
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: asking them the questions that he he asked Zach, it

440
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: felt like he was trying to set Zach up for failure. Now, yeah,

441
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: I will say this, and Ashley that I will. I

442
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: want to hear your opinion on this. I think you

443
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: can fall in love without knowing somebody's middle name and birthday.

444
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: I think it's very easy to fall in love with

445
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: who the person is, and who they are to you,

446
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: and who you are to them, and what experiences you

447
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: share together, how much you enjoy them. I think I

448
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: fell in love with Jessica before I knew her middle

449
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: name and her birthday. I think I fell in love

450
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: with Jessica on the first time we had our first

451
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: date and I cross the table and I said, oh,

452
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: this could be something. And that's the first time I

453
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: saw in person. So I didn't know those things about her. Didoh.

454
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that knowing what his birthday is going

455
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: to I get what he's trying to get at. He's

456
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: trying to say, like, you need to know their little

457
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: details in order to know, like if you love them.

458
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: But that was a bad example because like that detail

459
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: really means nothing. I probably asked Jared what his birthday

460
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty close up so that I could be, like,

461
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: what's your zodiac? So I knew this so I could

462
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: see if it's compatible with mine, like I could see that.

463
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can fall in love with people without

464
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: knowing those little facts about them. So I think it

465
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: was a bad example. But I also think I know

466
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: what he was getting at. I do think he was

467
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: straight up rude when he said to Zach. He said

468
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: to Zach, he goes, so, I know why you want

469
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: to be with my sister, but why should my sister

470
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: want to be with you? Like what are you bringing

471
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: to the table? And Zach hesitated, he didn't know how

472
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: to describe, you know, his best qualities, which I think

473
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people are kind of like, oh man,

474
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: it's like like a humbling thing, you know, like you

475
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: don't normally self describe, right, how we hate self describing.

476
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: We don't want to like talk about our best qualities

477
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: because it seems in our hearts like bragging. However, it's

478
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: an important question for the brother to ask, but it

479
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: was so rude when he said, good answer, when he

480
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: was hesitating a good answer. I think he was trying

481
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: to be very tough. Yeah, he was just like putting

482
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: on like a it was. Do you think the producers

483
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: are like, yo, you your tough brother, lean into it. Yeah.

484
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: I think he was definitely fired up for this moment

485
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: and feel he went into it like knowing his role.

486
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: I'm with you, he asked Zach. That question. It's not

487
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: a bad question. I'm not mad at that question. That's

488
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: a good question. Why should my sister want to be

489
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: with you. That's a fair question. I don't think Zach

490
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: answered it well, but I also think it's it is.

491
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: It's a very hard question to answer. I don't know

492
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: how i'd answer it myself, because, yes, you either feel

493
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: like you're bragging, or you feel like you're underselling yourself,

494
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: or possibly you feel like you're saying things just to

495
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: say them, which is an authentic There's really no good

496
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: way to respond to that, you know, other than just

497
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 1: sitting there for a moment being like it's a great question.

498
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: So I get Zach's position. I don't think yeah, but

499
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: I do think Zach could have sold himself a little harder,

500
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: Like all right, he's like I have a good heart

501
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: of a big heart. Like that's like so basic. Yeah,

502
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: my biggest my biggest issue is that I have two

503
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: big a heart. It drives me crazy. But you know,

504
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: he could have sold himself a little harder. I also

505
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: would imagine if we took a step back, Zach was

506
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: fired up inside, like he knew what this brother was going.

507
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: After he knew this brother was like you was like

508
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: trying to like diminish him a little bit. And I

509
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: bet Zach was holding I mean, we've seen Zach confront

510
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: things this year. Yeah, and I think we know that

511
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't hate confronting difficult situations. And I bet in

512
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: his heart he was like, all I want to do

513
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: is tell this dude to like back off, and I

514
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: can't because that would be really bad. I love that

515
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: you brought that up, because I was thinking the exact

516
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: same thing. I was like, we know that Zach can

517
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: get little sassy, doesn't hold back. He'll talk right back

518
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: to you. He'll say things that you were not expecting

519
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: to say. You were not expecting to hear from somebody

520
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: that you are just kind of acquaintances with. So he

521
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: must have been inviting his tongue. I saw that Zach,

522
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: that little side of Zach come out a little bit

523
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: with the dad. Maybe I'm over analyzing. The dad was

524
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: super sweet. I really love that man, but there was

525
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: something that he said, and you could tell Zach was

526
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: a little bit like, oh, I'm so tired of defending

527
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: myself in this show right now. I don't remember exactly

528
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: what it was, but no, the rest of her family

529
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: I think eased the pressures. Again. I don't know if

530
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: there's anybody at fault here. I think there are some

531
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: moments where, yes, the brothers seemed to like dig in

532
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: a little harder than I would have. But I'm not

533
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: a brother, so I don't know. But overall, the family

534
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: did wrap Zach up. I think Zach left feeling like, hey,

535
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I can continue this if this goes to

536
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, really well, at the end, I could see

537
00:28:53,400 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: myself in this family. It was all fine. He left

538
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: there and went to Charity's hometown, which I would argue

539
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: was the best hometown. Like, I did not think she

540
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: was going home because it felt like one the most

541
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: fun the most natural, the most accepting, the most kind.

542
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: It was the one that it felt like Zach was,

543
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, he was eating and laughing and talking to

544
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: the family. I really was surprised that Charity went home

545
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: over Gabby. I thought her home Totown date solidified her

546
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: at least being there for another week, even though maybe

547
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: their connection isn't matching like the Katies of the world,

548
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: it felt like this was a natural hometown date. Yeah,

549
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: it's so funny that you kept comparing it to Gabby,

550
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: and I kept comparing it to Ariel because I was like,

551
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: I want to hit like Ariel. I like those girls

552
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: vibe a lot, but I don't know that I see

553
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: Zach being in New York City being with her family

554
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: just didn't seem super easy, but it felt easy for

555
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: him being at Charity's family to me, did which you're

556
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: you're saying that it was as well. The family seemed

557
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: really nice. The brother was like a little probably tough love,

558
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: but like not a lot fine. It was like the

559
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: daytime brings a certain lightness to it. I have to say,

560
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: I feel like every time we do something a little

561
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: bit during the daytime, like a picnic style, it feels

562
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: a little bit lighter. Then Charity takes him to go

563
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: square dancing. Great love that um, and you can tell

564
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: she's a little buzz At the end of the night

565
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: where they're making it out, She's closing her eyes in

566
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: the middle of a kiss. She's like just letting you know,

567
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with you. She like she was

568
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: definitely a little tips right, a little tipsy. Yeah, you

569
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: gotta love it. I'm sorry Charity if I'm wrong, but

570
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: I feel you girl, Yeah, I would be. Um. Uh,

571
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great date. I did think

572
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: that the daytime did bring about a different feel to it. Um.

573
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I think the only reason why. You know, so we're

574
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: saying pretty much now at this point, Charity, Gabby, and

575
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Ariel are all, according to this podcast, up for elimination

576
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah. Um, which I think points to you know,

577
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: where we think this is going. But Charity, I don't

578
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: think Charity or any of these other women for that matter, No,

579
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: the connections that Zach has with any of the other girls. Now,

580
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: they've been kind of separated for a while, you know,

581
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: they've they've lived on in a hotel probably that none

582
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: of the other women are there, and uh, and they

583
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: have a producer there kind of reinforcing them and reassuring

584
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: them that this relationship is good. And so they their

585
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: their emotions are getting higher, their feelings are getting more.

586
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: They've been away from him for a bit. You know,

587
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that Charity went home over Gabby. Yes,

588
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: but in the grand scheme of things, it shocking that

589
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: Charity went home at all. No, because the next date

590
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: with Katie, I think points to me where the standard is,

591
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: Like the standard for this season is the connection that

592
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: Zach and Katie have, or the interest that Zach has

593
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: and Katie for as critical and as like tough as

594
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: he's been in some conversations with others, he's never been

595
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: that way with Katie now. He's always gentle with her.

596
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: This date, to me, set up like a traditional bachelor

597
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: date where it points us to what could be at

598
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: the end, because it isn't fancy. It's them setting up

599
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: stuff in their home, and those are always the dates

600
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: to me, like the less fancy, the less glamorous of

601
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: a date, the more like reality of the date. It's

602
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: it points to me it's the shows trying to make

603
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: us fall in love with this couple in the real world,

604
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: like giving us some examples of what they would look like.

605
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's what this date was. It was

606
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: a real world date that was cute in a way,

607
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: It was fun in a way, but it pointed to

608
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: me like the show knows where this is going at

609
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: this point exactly. How convenient that these two live in

610
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: the same city, and how perfect that she just moved

611
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: there and they could do getting to know the city

612
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: things together. They go the grocery store, he puts together

613
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: a shelf for her, very normal. I like it interesting then,

614
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: like the family lives there, Like really, how perfect is that?

615
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: Does her family actually live in Austin else I don't know.

616
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: We didn't get clarification. It seems to be an assumption

617
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: though where are they going? Then, well they go to

618
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: the house. Do you think that they didn't clarify it

619
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: because the parents don't actually live there. The family doesn't

620
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: actually live there, So then they putting them up in

621
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: a house you think to make it look like it

622
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: just is too perfect? Yeah, I think I don't think.

623
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: And only they live in Austin. I bet if we

624
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: watched this season back we could actually find out where

625
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: her family's at it. But she's said it to him before. Yeah,

626
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: because if they did live there, they'd say something like

627
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: and then my parents, I mean, my families are there's

628
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: no just lives right down the street. But yeah, no,

629
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: for as you know, for as up and down as

630
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: the season's been to us here on the podcast, right

631
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: now isn't an upstage to me. This is what you know,

632
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: also one of my favorite parts of the show when

633
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: stories getting hands. But you know, we've been critical at

634
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: times like we are every season. We've been celebratory at

635
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: times like we are every season. Right now, it feels

636
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: like this isn't a good rhythm for the show, and

637
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: then I'm enjoying each episode and watching them. I really

638
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: like Katie and I'm really glad that she is here

639
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: at the end, at least in the final three. You

640
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: was Zach, I didn't you know after their first one

641
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: on one date at the museum or whatever, we weren't

642
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: blown away. Weren't blown away understanding more about her, her strength,

643
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: her story, her care for Zach, understanding her family dynamic.

644
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: It makes me go, I just I think this is good,

645
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: and I'm glad she's there because I think she will

646
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: she's there for the right reasons. I think, you know,

647
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: that's a big deal to us. I think it's pretty obvious.

648
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: And so she's making this season, you know, outside of

649
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: the lead of Zach, She's making this season, you know,

650
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: an exciting one because I could see this couple working

651
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: into the real world, and I think they're transition into

652
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: the real world will be relatively easier than most, being

653
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: that they live in the same city, being that according

654
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: to both of them, and seeming like what we've seen, Um,

655
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: they're both there for the right reasons. They're not going

656
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: to like going to be that couple that moves to

657
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: ally like They're just gonna like do their life in Texas,

658
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: do their thing. Yeah, well, this is a couple I

659
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: could see work. And credit to Katie's mom for being

660
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: the person that she is to Katie and her family.

661
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: She seems she's like a nice lady. And I like

662
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: the aunt too. Yeah. Yeah, I like the way at

663
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: the family. Yeah, they really do seem very close. Yeah,

664
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: and I get why so great hometown there. We leave

665
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: hometowns then and we get to see Shan Low again, Ashley,

666
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: question for you, and again, I love that Sean's on here.

667
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: I told I said this on the podcast. If they

668
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: called me and said, Ben, You're gonna be the mentor

669
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: for the season, I would say, thank you, I'll do it,

670
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: and I would love it. Call me, show it to

671
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: my house, whatever you need. I'm there. Um, do you

672
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: think it's the last time we see Sean this season? Now?

673
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna be there on this like a freaking finale

674
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: or something. He's gonna be the one at the end

675
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: like welcoming them into the move over Jesse, you know,

676
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I feel like Sean should hand out the final rose,

677
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: put it on the podium. Yeah, we don't get Sean's

678
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: a wise man, right he is. We don't get a

679
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: lot from him in these conversations. There's not one of

680
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: these conversations so obvious. He's just like, well, I can't

681
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: really help you much, but I love Catherine. That's basically

682
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: every conversation. And it's very evident at this point that

683
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: they had Sean do this because they really want to

684
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: put in our heads that Zach is the next Sean.

685
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: He is the mister Wright reasons, and this guy that

686
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: we've chosen to be the bachelor is going to end

687
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: up like Sean. He's going to be the only other

688
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: bachelor who ends up with his final girl forever. I mean,

689
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: I think if Zach had it his way, he would

690
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: be that. I think most bachelors would have dreamed for

691
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: the most bachelors would like that. Just doesn't happen um

692
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: all the time. That's fine too, life works out. But yeah,

693
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: I like Sean. Shan's a wise man. He's funny. I

694
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: just feel funny, isn't he funny? Every There has not

695
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: been one conversation he's had with Zach where I'm like,

696
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: Sean that that was good, Like your help is like

697
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: it was. It's just very obvious, like statements and then

698
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: he's gone. Thinks like two minutes, we're out of there,

699
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: you know. But Sean's so funny because like you can

700
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: tell that he knows it's all kind of silly, like

701
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't take the situation too seriously. He's kind of

702
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: like a look at me, I got really lucky. Can

703
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: you believe I'm still with the girl that I met

704
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor? Yeah? Yeah, I mean look at his Twitter.

705
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: He used to say that, So we know how Sean feels. Well.

706
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: The Rose cremony goes down. As we mentioned, Charity does

707
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: go home a little bit of a tense exit. I

708
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: don't know from your perspective, actually is as Zach is

709
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: trying to explain himself, it does feel like most of

710
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: the times when you over explain yourself, you put your

711
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: foot in your mouth, you end up saying something that's hurtful.

712
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: You're saying something that the person that just got broken

713
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: up with usually feels is disingenuous and it's not authentic

714
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: to who you are and really the situation. So Charity

715
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: just kind of stops him and says, no, don't say it. Stop, stop, stop,

716
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: stop stop, I'm going home. This hurts by um. Yeah,

717
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: but she I agree, but also she was like nice

718
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I'm just no, it's just like it's okay,

719
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't need to hear your pleasant trees. It's okay.

720
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't hear a pleasant trees. I understand. Yeah, yeah,

721
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean saying to somebody, Um, I mean, you know,

722
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: it is a little bit of a harsh reality when

723
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: he says I just can't give you love you deserve.

724
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: What does that mean? You know? She asked the same question,

725
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: what does that mean the love I deserve? Um, I

726
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: think it's a good question to ask yourself. I don't

727
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: know what that. I never like the deserve thing. You know, everybody,

728
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: even when they tell it to me, like you deserve it.

729
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: It's like, I really find it hard to think that

730
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: there are people out there that don't deserve love. Yeah,

731
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: I agree, I just haven't had that happened to the

732
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: other day. I'm going on vacation, I'm going to take

733
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: a few days off, and somebody goes, you deserve it,

734
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I don't know if I

735
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: deserve it. Like I just feel like I said, I'm

736
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna go do it, and like that, you know, I

737
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: hate that. I don't know I don't feel sometimes I

738
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: feel like deserving of everything, but also not deserving at all.

739
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Like when people say that, it makes me be like, uh,

740
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: you're making me feel like I should be working harder. Yeah, yeah,

741
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: I agree. Well, I don't know. Bachelor headlines is next,

742
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: Charity is going home, so it leaves us with Gabby, Katie,

743
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: and Aeriel left Ashley in order from who you think

744
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: will be with Zach to who you think will be

745
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: going home after Fantasy Suites. It's very complicated now, Ben,

746
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: very complicated because I'm really torn between one. Gabby and

747
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Aeriel will leave, but but in my head they're both leaving,

748
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: so it will be with Katie. He will end up

749
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: with Kate. He will end up being with Katie. This

750
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: is just in my head. I don't know spoilers, but

751
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: and I really don't know spoilers anymore. It's great. It

752
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: helps because we are so far removed from the Baby

753
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: Boom show. I have no clue what's gonna happen. I

754
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: mean I think I do, but you think, well, we

755
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: have a good guess. Let's talk about the scenes for

756
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: the next episode, though, because they're juicy. He makes this

757
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: pact with himself basically that he's not gonna have sex

758
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: in any of the fantasy suites, which I think is

759
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: a very good idea because it keeps everybody on an

760
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: even playing field. It prevents situations like we saw with Clayton,

761
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: it prevents situations like we saw with who else? When

762
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: else has it gotten sloppy? I don't know. He's like

763
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: basically every time. Yeah, probably every time it gets weird. Um, yeah,

764
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, you end up with somebody at the end

765
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: of this. It's nice to say I wasn't with anyone

766
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: else in those fantasy suites. You know, I guarantee. It

767
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: makes things easier. Thing makes things easier. Okay, so that's

768
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: what he's going to decide. I think it's great, But

769
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: it seems like he doesn't stick to that because he

770
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: says the words, I have been intimate with somebody. Here's

771
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: my theory. You want to hear my theory? Right? That's

772
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: great for us to watch, awful, awful emotionally for everybody

773
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: else involved. I know, do you want to hear my theory? Yes?

774
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: Place Do you think that they're all like voiceover is

775
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: from previous things? No, I think it's a real thing.

776
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: I think it's a real thing. If I remember right

777
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: from watching it, I see him directly telling Gabby. I

778
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: think that he is choosing to not have sex during

779
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: the fantasy suites, and I bet you she goes first. Yeah,

780
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: So I don't think he has sex with Gabby. At

781
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: some point between Arie and Katie, they are intimate. I

782
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: don't know with who, and I don't want to assume

783
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: with who. That's not my place. But I did remember

784
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: him saying it to Gabby, So I think, shit, Ben,

785
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to assume, but now I'll be a gross person. Yeah,

786
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: And so it happens. It happens, and he has to

787
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: communicate it to Katie or Ariel, and I think it

788
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: blows everything up, and I think he is with somebody

789
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: at the end. I believe. I believe it's not going

790
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: to be pretty finished, and I believe there's gonna have

791
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: to be some healing and work being done because I

792
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: think whoever he was intimate with, not the girl he chooses,

793
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: not the girl he chooses a great TV ahead of us. Yeah,

794
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: that's my theory, is correct. Yeah, that's my theory. I

795
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: have no clue it's going to play out or not.

796
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: All right. Bachelor Headlines we'll jump into this, please, okay.

797
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Bachelorette alum Ivan Hall is engaged to girlfriend Taylor. It

798
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: felt like we're destined to be together. This according to

799
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: US Weekly. Yes, US Weekly broke the news exclusively where

800
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: he didn't interview. He said, I can truly feel that

801
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: being engaged feels amazing. He's thirty one, by the way.

802
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: It's a mixture of excitement, joy in anticipation for what

803
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: the future holds. If you guys remember, Ivan played a

804
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: big role on Tatious season came in fourth, and now

805
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: he is engaged to an anaesthesiologist. So good for him.

806
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: My dad's an Anesthesiologist's a great person to have in

807
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: the family, and they're great people. Their stereotype is the

808
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: nerd doctor. Well, we'll see if it plays out well.

809
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: Zach shall Cross teases no sex in the fantasy suite

810
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: rule bites him in the ass. All right, So we're

811
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna revisit this conversation again. This is an article that

812
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: was written basically based on what they saw. But let's

813
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: get some quotes going on here, all right. From what

814
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: I can say, a lot of things do change going

815
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: into that week. I thought I could basically this is okay,

816
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: quotes from Zach. Obviously, I'm so sorry you didn't say that.

817
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: I thought I could basically set up like a guideline

818
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: for myself, a guideline for others to try to hold too,

819
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: to make it less messy, and it bid us in

820
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: the ass. Oh and then Jesse Palmer was surprised by

821
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: Zach's decision and teased also in an interview that it

822
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: may not be realistic if he wants to find the

823
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: one Ben. I'm sure you can. You have things to

824
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: say about that. When Zach told me he was going

825
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: to do this no sex or any women thing, I

826
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: was sort of like, you're going to be able to

827
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: do this. You're going to be tempted. You know, the

828
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: fantasy suites are there for a reason, and sexual compatibility

829
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: is a really big thing, especially if you're going to

830
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: get down on one knee and ask someone to marry you. Also,

831
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: what if the women, what if the women want to

832
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: have sex with you? You're kind of taking that option

833
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: off the table. That was something that was probably the

834
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: most shocking moment because, in all honesty, part of me,

835
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: part of me, kind of knew how it was going

836
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: to end. I guess Jesse knew that the plan wasn't

837
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: going to go as swimmingly as Zach may have hoped.

838
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: So Ben, what do you think when I'm sorry? This

839
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a personal question, but it's

840
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: been raised a bit, especially when fantasy suits roll around.

841
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: A lot of people argue that people shouldn't have sex

842
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: in those fantasy suits, because if you're going to get engaged,

843
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: you should know your sexual compatibility. What do you think.

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Speaker 1: I think it's up to the individual people, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's every I mean, it's not my story. With Jessica,

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Speaker 1: that's fair, right, We I believe have a very healthy

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Speaker 1: and happy marriage and we're doing just fine. And I

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Speaker 1: love her a lot. And I think if you asked her,

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Speaker 1: she'd say she loves me most of the time. We'll

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Speaker 1: know she loves me all the times every now and again.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I do think it's up to each couple.

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Speaker 1: I kind of wish Jesse as the host here. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this is the words he shared with Zach.

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Speaker 1: If Zach had communicated the choice to Jesse, I kind

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Speaker 1: of wish Jesse would have just said, I support you

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Speaker 1: in this. That's smart, and here's why it's smart. And

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Speaker 1: there is a wisdom to what Zach was trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't know if he successfully accomplished his mission,

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Speaker 1: but there's a wisdom in that because ultimately, and he

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Speaker 1: is going to get engaged to somebody, and you are

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Speaker 1: going to be tempted. Jesse's not wrong. These people are beautiful,

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Speaker 1: and you've gone without any type of intimacy for three months.

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Speaker 1: So when I'm talking any type of intimacy, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: there's a handler pretty much standing outside your bathroom door

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Speaker 1: as you're sharing. Yeah, you have no privacy, so you're

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Speaker 1: all fueled up. They're right, and so I get you.

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Speaker 1: Know what Jesse's saying is, this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a weird, hard moment for you. But I wish you

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Speaker 1: would have also added, but Zach, this is smart because ultimately,

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Speaker 1: in two weeks, I believe you're going to be engaged

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Speaker 1: to somebody that you really love, and that conversation is

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Speaker 1: going to be really hard to tell her that night,

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Speaker 1: you know, when she asks you maybe about fantasy suites,

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Speaker 1: what happened during that time time? And so I respect it,

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Speaker 1: I want to support you in it. How do we

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Speaker 1: help you get there and get through this week? Without

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Speaker 1: doing what you don't want to do. Yeah, So I

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Speaker 1: think it's up to every individual person. I know there's

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Speaker 1: people who have been leads on this show who have

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Speaker 1: had sex with nobody in the fantasy suites. I know

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Speaker 1: there are leads on this show who have had sex

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Speaker 1: with everybody in the fantasy suites. And I know leads

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Speaker 1: of the show where it's gone both ways and the

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Speaker 1: relationships worked afterwards. Maybe not forever, but it's worked for

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Speaker 1: a period of time. So it is up to each

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Speaker 1: individual person. That's just what I wish. I wish there

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Speaker 1: would have been a little more like, hey, you can

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Speaker 1: do a buddy. I get it. You're not doing it

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Speaker 1: because you don't want to, and you're trying to take

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Speaker 1: some like weird stance. You know that we've had people

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Speaker 1: take on this show. You're doing it because you believe

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Speaker 1: that wisdom comes from making maybe the more prudent choice

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Speaker 1: here for a bit. Well, Bachelorette Rachel says she's doing

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Speaker 1: well after undergoing breast reduction surgery. Yes, so it was

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Speaker 1: right abound her birthday. She had a breath instroduction. She said,

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Speaker 1: I am doing well, Thank you so much. She's replying

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Speaker 1: to fans on Instagram, she said that she's doing better

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Speaker 1: than she thought she would, and she posted the video

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Speaker 1: to TikTok. She showed her hair getting braided by her

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Speaker 1: roommate Jen Genevieve and she was preparing to have the

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Speaker 1: surgery the next day. The music was signed, sealed and delivered.

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Speaker 1: She goes the night before getting my hair braided by

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Speaker 1: Jen and I don't have so that I don't have

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Speaker 1: a rat's nast. Basically, tomorrow morning, it's my last day

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Speaker 1: with boobs. I want to see a nipple. She's a

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Speaker 1: joking and then she was off to surgery. She kind

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Speaker 1: of showed the situation a little bit in the mirror.

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Speaker 1: Black sweatpants matching black hoodie. You know, she has having

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Speaker 1: a good recovery from it. So good for her. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that she's doing what's to make her feel best

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Speaker 1: in her body. Yeah, I'm glad she's healing well well.

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Speaker 1: Final headline. Serene Russell and Brandon Jones share stunning engagement

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Speaker 1: photos and Bachelor Nation reacts. Oh yeah, Bachelor Nation is

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Speaker 1: loving these pictures, showing off Serenes Neil Lane ring lots

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Speaker 1: of kisses in this photo shoot and Danielle Maltby writes,

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Speaker 1: underneath it, Oh my god, y'all these are breathtaking. Genevieve

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Speaker 1: says cutis you melt my heart, and Jill Chen says

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Speaker 1: most beautiful couple inside and out. The two of them

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Speaker 1: are currently living in San Diego together after getting engaged

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Speaker 1: about eight months ago. Well, that's all the headlines we

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Speaker 1: have for you today, and tomorrow we'll be back with

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Speaker 1: another episode recapping Women Tell All and we will have Jess,

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Speaker 1: you know Jess who is eliminated a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago because because she didn't have a one on one

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Speaker 1: in that whole argument. We're gonna be getting all the

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Speaker 1: scoop from her about Women Tell All and about how

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Speaker 1: all that went down in real life, that that break

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Speaker 1: up with her and Zach. So stay tuned for that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: With that I've Been Been, I've Been Ashley Bye, guys.

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