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Speaker 1: know we sent you. What is going on everybody? John

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Speaker 1: middlecop Three and Out Podcast? How are we doing? What

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Speaker 1: is up? How is life? Uh? Just watched a little

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Speaker 1: But a lot of other football stuff coming up. Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: weekend at John Middlecoffins on Instagram firing those d m s.

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Speaker 1: But I I guess nothing really happened. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: game is technically going on while I'm recording this, and

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people shoot me theories like

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I necessarily believe that one, because

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Speaker 1: terms of calling to play. I think it's pretty obvious

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Speaker 1: that is Patricia or Judge. I heard Albert Breers. One

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, when someone gets fired like Joe Judge

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Speaker 1: still covering Matt Patricia's salary. So he is saving his

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Speaker 1: owner a lot of money. Now, why would he care

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Speaker 1: about that? Well, Belichick's never been into big staffs. Belichick's

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Speaker 1: And I told Coward this, They're gonna be certain people

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Speaker 1: Adams now, Josh McDaniels, Hey, I keep saying this like

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Speaker 1: But that pick not good. I said last year that

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Speaker 1: I was done with Hard Knocks. It was dead to me,

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Speaker 1: No moss I, I couldn't take it. I thought the

428
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys Hard Knocks was the worst I've ever seen, And

429
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Speaker 1: looking back, it might have just been because of Michael McCarthy.

430
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: It was just it was a rough watch because I

431
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: thought it was really boring. Now I've acknowledged that what

432
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: we used to get, like when I was in high

433
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: school and in college in the early two thousand's, that

434
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Speaker 1: kind of inspired me to want to get to the NFL.

435
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: When they would go to the personnel meetings and it

436
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: would be the coaches and the scouts and they'd start

437
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: going around talking about players good and mostly bad. It

438
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: was like, this is sweet this running back, Rowe coaches

439
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: ship on the third rounder, the head coaches blasting the

440
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: left tackle, Like that's because that's real. I think all

441
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Speaker 1: of us want with a reality television show, and just

442
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Speaker 1: with anything that were for entertainment purposes, non like movies,

443
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 1: is some authenticity anything that's like any reality television can

444
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: you can you be authentic? Now I get why they

445
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: cut that out. You can't have with social media, the

446
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: head coaches that the scouts, the position coaches just destroying

447
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: these players when they're not in the meeting, even though

448
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: that's what happens in the college and in pros like that,

449
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: those meetings happen, and the raw and uncut version are

450
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: not always pretty, but those are those are long gun

451
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: We're never getting that again. So I've acknowledged that it's

452
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: and then part of that is like I just thought

453
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: that the Hard Knocks is gonna be cheesy from moving

454
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Speaker 1: on forward. And I was, Okay, I understand it's just

455
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: not for me. And sometimes as you get older, whatever

456
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: stuff is not for you anymore. That's the way the

457
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: world works. But I was like, you know what, I

458
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: find Dan Campbell pretty entertaining. Uh, when my first year

459
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: with the Eagles, I was with Staleo get into that

460
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: in a second, I was like, I'm gonna give it

461
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Speaker 1: a try. I thought that the first episode of the

462
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: Lions Hard Knocks is the best episode of Hard Knocks

463
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Speaker 1: in half a decade. Just from an entertainment standpoint, it

464
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Speaker 1: was easy to watch. There wasn't that much cheesiness. There

465
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: was a lot of football. There was a lot of

466
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: ball coaches coaching football. I I just felt that they

467
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: kind of kept the main thing the main thing. Now

468
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: they benefit from having a head coach who is Taylor

469
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: made for hard knocks, And I want to start with

470
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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. Is anyone going to confuse Dan Campbell on

471
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Speaker 1: a white board for Andy Reid, Sean McVeigh, or Kyle Shanahan. No,

472
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Speaker 1: obviously not. I don't think Dan Campbell, when his career

473
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Speaker 1: ends good or bad, will be viewed as some schematic genius.

474
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Speaker 1: Right the way, if you haven't had a chance seth

475
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: with wicker Shim. Wicker Sham wrote this article on Sean

476
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: McVeigh stayed with him. It was good, but you know

477
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: he's not. But that's okay because think about this. I

478
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: I never get that caught up when someone tweets or

479
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: puts on Instagram a family member about a player, like

480
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: they're biased, that they're gonna get angry about the way

481
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: fans are perceiving I don't know brother, their white or

482
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: their husband or their son, right, I get it, Like

483
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: I give those people a break. Why they view their

484
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Speaker 1: significant other, their son, their their cousin, their brother through

485
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: different lens than all of us. But I always think

486
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Speaker 1: who believes in you professionally? Because, let's face it, in

487
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: most big boy industries we live in, it's black and white.

488
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: Do you produce, do you get the job done? Do

489
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: you make money for my company? Or do you not?

490
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Where in personal relationships it's you know, the healthy ones

491
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: aren't about money. They're about I just like you for you.

492
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm in love with you. You're my son. I don't

493
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: have a choice. I have to raise you or I

494
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: did raise you. Your mind, your mind right? Where in

495
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: a in a professional relationship, like if I have a

496
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: partner with someone, they better bring something to the table. Right.

497
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: If I'm in business with someone, like, what are we

498
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 1: doing to make money? It's just it's very It's why

499
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: I like the business world. It's very cut throat. There's

500
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: not much like handholding. Are we getting it done or

501
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: are we not? Are we gonna continue this relationship or

502
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: are we not? And in football coaching no different than

503
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: any of the industries that we all work in. It's

504
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: like if I'm gonna hire a coach, if I'm a

505
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Speaker 1: head coach and I'm gonna hire assistance, I'm gonna try

506
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: to hire the best unless I'm Mark Jackson. Historically, Joe

507
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Lacob wanted to hire good coaches. He refused very insecure.

508
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: That's why he's never sniffed a job since. But for

509
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: the most part, good coaches Belichick, you know, Joe, Judge,

510
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Mam Patricia. That's a whole another thing. But most good

511
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: head coaches want to hire the best assistance. And here

512
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: are the two guys, and this really stood out to

513
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 1: me during the hard knocks. They believed in dam Campbell.

514
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: The two guys Bill Parselves who got him into coaching

515
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: and elevated him up the ranks, and Sean Payton, who

516
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: made him his assistant head coach in right hand man.

517
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Speaker 1: Let me let me repeat, build ourselves, who is a

518
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. And Sean Payton, who was just making

519
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: fifteen plus million dollars a year, who we all acknowledge

520
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: will be the number one coaching option starting next year

521
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: every year moving forward until he comes back, it won't

522
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: even be close. Who's a Super Bowl champion, who's a

523
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: high high level NFL coach. Those are the two guys

524
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Speaker 1: that believed in Dan Campbell. So I do value when

525
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: high level people believe in others, and we can make

526
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: fun of Dan Campbell. He's a little meat hetty. He

527
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: can say some things that like what wait, one ass

528
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: cheek two toes, what you're talking about? Goes over my

529
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: head a little bit. But I do think there's an

530
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: authenticity to him when you watch him in front of

531
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Speaker 1: the team. Uh. I don't know his schematic knowledge, but

532
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't think this guy is some village idiot that

533
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: sometimes people make him out to be, because build ourselves.

534
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: And definitely Sean Payton, who I would say is more

535
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: of a schematic academic than Parcels, who really kind of

536
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: feels And I'm not comparing Dan Campbell saying he's the

537
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: coach Bill Parcels, but Bill Parcels wasn't a scheme guy.

538
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: That's what he had Belichick for. Bill Parcels was a

539
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: tough guy, was the motivator, was the leader. So when

540
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: you are that guy, you're very dependent. Mike Tomlin, John

541
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: Hardball on your assistant coaches. And here's what I'll say

542
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: about his assistant coaches. I'm a big believer in when

543
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: it comes to an assistant coach, I don't think you

544
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: could just make an overall judgment in a short period

545
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: of time on how good a position, coaches or just

546
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: how much he yells. But I do think there are

547
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: certain guys. When you're around him, your takeaway is like, yeah,

548
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: this guy has it. My first year with the Eagles

549
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten, I was the lowest guy in

550
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the totem pole. Well, they also from a coaching stand

551
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: in the in the personnel department, Well, the coaching staff

552
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: does the same thing. They have these things called like

553
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: training camp in terms, and some times you know former

554
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: or former players that want to get into coaching, they

555
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: kind of gravitate towards back two guys that they played for,

556
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: and those guys give him an opportunity. Andy Reid made it,

557
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: has made continues to make a career out of doing that.

558
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Do Staley, Doug Peterson, Mike Kafka, Uh, I'm sure there

559
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: are a ton of guys I'm missing, and he gives

560
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: them opportunities to kind of come back at the lowest level.

561
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: And for Deuce, he was just coming as a training

562
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: camp intern. It was so clear about two practice in

563
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: the training camp like this guy has it. He went

564
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: nowhere and he kept him on for the season and

565
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: the rest is history. He then was on the Eagle

566
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: staff for basically the next decade until he went with

567
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: the Lions last year. But anyone who spent any time

568
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: around Due Staley, whether you're a coach with them or

569
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: you've worked on the personnel side on his team the

570
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: duds big time, like he's the real deal. And it's

571
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: not shocking to me that Dan Campbell made him his

572
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: assistant head coach. So I give Dan Campbell like, he's

573
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: got a pretty good feel for Aaron Glenn, who I'm

574
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was on the same staff for a while,

575
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: also pretty highly thought of by Sean Payton. So when

576
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: I look at Dan Campbell and I look at some

577
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: of the coaches he's hiring now if you watch the episode,

578
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: a ton of their guys are NFL players, and not

579
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: just like guys that got a cup of coffee in

580
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: the league. I think the lowest guy of all his

581
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: NFL playing coaches spent eight years in the league. A

582
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of guys are like Deuce Tan, Hank Fraley eleven,

583
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Mark Brunell like fifteen, Aaron Glenn fifteen. I mean, these

584
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: guys played for a long long time. So his staff

585
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: and even Dan Campbell mentioned I didn't necessarily go with

586
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: the idea of doing that. But I think if you

587
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: watched the guys that he hired, you don't go, oh,

588
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: this guy was just a meathead player like Mark Brunell.

589
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: Pretty intellectual player, right, Antoine Randall L I mean the

590
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: guy went from quarterback to receiver through touchdown the Super

591
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: Bowl like pretty eye level guy. You know, Aaron Glenn

592
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: dB played for fifteen years in the league, Do Staley.

593
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I can speak from experience, stud one of the best

594
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: assistant coaches I've ever been around, And when I was

595
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: with the Eagles, I was around like five assistant coaches

596
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: that became head coaches in the league. So I I

597
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: give Lions credit. I am a fan. I'm rooting for them. Now.

598
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm not acting like they're gonna go to the playoffs,

599
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: but you can see they're making some strides and I

600
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: do not think by any means they're just gonna be

601
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: some joke, uh as they and I'm not saying they

602
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: necessarily were last year. But whenever you draft number two overall,

603
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: like you didn't have that great of a season, I

604
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: could see them being more competitive this year, especially in

605
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: a division where we're diving to the Bears. Here in

606
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: a second, where I think a lot of people are

607
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: anointing the Vikings, Like the Vikings offense has been good

608
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Pretty sure Cousin through like

609
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: thirty five thirty seven touchdowns last year that their problem

610
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: was the defense, so they hired offensive coach. Everyone's the offense.

611
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: They scored points, like the offense has not been the

612
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: issue with Jefferson, with the Lynn even before with Digs

613
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: like there haven't uh Dalvin Cook. The defense well got

614
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: bad now, I know years before was Zimmer. Zimmer was

615
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: a good defensive coach. But a lot of people, and

616
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: I know Coward thinks the Vike he's are in fourteen

617
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: thirteen games. Is Kevin O'Connell just gonna be the next

618
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. He might, but he easily might not be.

619
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: I saw something that happened in Bears camp. Now I

620
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: had a front row seat with the Debo drama. Right,

621
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: he just kind of odd of nowhere after a historic season,

622
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: claims he wants a trade, and it was I think

623
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: we all, whether you follow the Niners or not, you're like,

624
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: Debo wants a trade? Didn't The guy just become a

625
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: superstar is a little weird now Ultimately he didn't get traded,

626
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: he got paid. I've been about ten Niner practices out

627
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: there and run around making sweet plays. What kind of

628
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean? I wouldn't call deebo Is a weird practice

629
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: player because what he does in games you're not really

630
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: going to do in practice, Like he's not breaking tackles

631
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: because there is no tackling. But it's just an easy

632
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: guy to sign. But at the time when he requested

633
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: a trade, it was a little weird. And then o

634
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: t as happened. He is not around. And I give

635
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Kyle and John Lynch a lot of credit because they

636
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: were clearly mad. Right, it's not it's not good to

637
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: have your best player demanded trade kind of out of nowhere,

638
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: but they ate it, and they basically said NonStop positive

639
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: things like we're not worried about what's going on externally.

640
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: We are going to talk to Debo one on one.

641
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: The only thing we're worried about is our interactions with him.

642
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: We we feel that our relationships strong enough we will

643
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to figure out and mend these fences.

644
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: And it was just an impressive to Ultimately, money talk

645
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: ship walks. The reason Debos happening now is they gave

646
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: him fifty eight point one million dollars guaranteed, but Kyle

647
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: was very very good at mending the relationship. Now he's

648
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: known Debo since the Senior Bowl. But like, I don't

649
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: think Debo just made it up, Like Debo did want

650
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: a trade. Now, the Niners weren't going a budget, but

651
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: also like they knew they weren't gonna publicly get into

652
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: a spout with him. What what does it behoove you

653
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty two with social media to get

654
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: into a public spat with a player that you need.

655
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: And I was scrolling around Pro Football Talk just looking

656
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: for some things like what am I gonna talk about

657
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: the day on the podcast? And you guys know where

658
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: I stand on the Bears. I still can't believe that

659
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles said that they're gonna the a f S

660
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: or the the NFC North is gonna come through Chicago, Like, no,

661
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: it's not. It's gonna continue to go through Green Day. Well,

662
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: what then are we talking about? And then they hired

663
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: Uber Flus. It's just some head scratching things. Their offensive

664
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: line continues to suck despite inheriting justin fields. But whatever

665
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: you know you can't. You can't build your team in

666
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: just one off season. But then I saw what uber

667
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Flus said the day impromptu. He said this when he

668
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: got up to the to the press conference after a

669
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: practice without even being asked a question. Now Roquan Smith,

670
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: who is the best player on the Bears, has demanded

671
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: the trade. I say that loosely because you out devoted

672
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: to I don't even know what that means anymore. But

673
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: he's clearly not happy they're not on the same page.

674
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: Weird stuff is going on. Puts out this notes app

675
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: that I want to trade. I think he represents himself.

676
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: He claims, you know, well, I haven't talked to the

677
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: mc caskeys yet. It's like, well, Rokean, give them a call.

678
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: But ultimately things are weird. Then the head coach that,

679
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: let's face it, has zero equity. He's never been a

680
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: head coach. He coached the Colts who weren't even in

681
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. Now they've had a pretty good defense.

682
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: But come on, bro, Like, no one's looking at you

683
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: like you're Bill Parcels Jr. Right, no one's looking at

684
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: you like you're the next Belichick. So I do think

685
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: you gotta be pretty careful in this modern day time

686
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: of what you say, because what you say is a

687
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: head coach is so powerful now on social media, that's

688
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of where the players live, and things can get

689
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: misconstrued because of the the aggregators and the bloggers and

690
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: it can just become a thing. It's why most coaches

691
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: don't say anything. Honestly, it's back to Rogers, why most

692
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't say anything. I just don't think he gives

693
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: a ship, which I really appreciate. Now, I understand if

694
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: I was Uberflus or Ryan Poles or anyone with the Bears,

695
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: it's I wouldn't. I'm not blaming them for being not happy.

696
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: I understand being like, why is he handling like this? Now?

697
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: He was medically cleared, means he's fully healthy, and he

698
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: at practice did nothing. And Uberflus, who is a defensive coach,

699
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator heart says he hasn't even talked to

700
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: him yet, and he said the words of what's the

701
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: situation with ro Kuwan he dropped. You'll have to ask him.

702
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: Like to me, he's starting to flex his muscles like

703
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: it's Bill parcels in. I think that is a moronic tactic,

704
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: because back to what I said, this guy has zero

705
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: equity and anyone who has spent more than one year

706
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: on the Bears, where a lot of their players have

707
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: ros their best player, even if he is mad, like,

708
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't he be like listen, this is somewhat of an

709
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: unfortunate situation. I need to spend some time with ro Kuan.

710
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything in my power to fix this.

711
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: I want to get on the same page as my

712
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: star player, even if that's a lie and he intends

713
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: on trading him. But when you drop a you'll have

714
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: to ask him that to me, like when we talk

715
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: a lot about meat head coaches, that's a meathead comment

716
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: that that is a meathead thing to say. You see

717
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: it all over the league. Tyreek Hill just pulled down

718
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: his pants on a podcast and took a complete crap

719
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: and dump all over the Chiefs. Given what they've meant

720
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: to him, They how they stood by him, how they

721
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: compensated him over the years, how they used him and

722
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: created a star. Have you noticed what Andy and Patrick had,

723
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: The way those guys have conducted themselves in regards to him.

724
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's all been positive and and the

725
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: worst thing. Mahomes ever said, Yeah, it's kind of unfortunate,

726
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: like nothing bad hell. Kirk Cousins was asked about his

727
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: relationship with Mike Zimmer because Ben Leeber said they hated

728
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: each other. Kirk Cousins took the high road, Cousins, like,

729
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: you know, I had so much success here. I've become

730
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: a better player when I was with Minnesota. I want

731
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: a playoff game with Mike Zimmer. Uh. He was a

732
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: huge positive influence on my life and I'm on my

733
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: career when it would have been easy for Cousins, Zimmer's gone.

734
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: Everyone blames Zimmer for being kind of just an angry, old,

735
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: crouchy d s ob. Cousins could have just qushed him,

736
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: said yeah, he's a dick. He was so he was

737
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: just he was not fun to be around. Instead, he

738
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: went the opposite way, high level answer. You know, we

739
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: got uber fluce here, like you'll have to ask him.

740
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Might as well have said, like, I can't stand this idiot. Well,

741
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know no clue what he's doing. I can't

742
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: wait to find his ass. I just I don't get it.

743
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I feel I'm not trying to overreact, but I've been

744
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: following this team pretty closely since this group took over.

745
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Feels like they're a little over their heads. It really does.

746
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: It feels like they're a little over their heads. And

747
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: I had heard good things about Ryan Poles. I'm not

748
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: putting this situation right impolls, but I am putting Uberfluce

749
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: like that's the guy you hire. I don't know, I

750
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: I just do. I think they are going to be

751
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: so god awful. But this is separate. This is like,

752
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: do you not know how to handle star players? Like?

753
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? You're you're the headman, You're

754
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: no longer coordinator, You're the boss. And that's that's that's

755
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: a head scratcher. I I wrote down some things that

756
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: we just fly around in the league. Uh. One thing

757
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna see over the next three or four days

758
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: of all these preseason games is like, is there a

759
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: right or wrong way to handle this in terms of

760
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: playing your players in preseason games. I don't necessarily have

761
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: the answer. Uh, you know, I know coach read these

762
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: his guys are gonna play fifteen to twenty plays. Kyle

763
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: Shanahan said earlier this week, his starters are gonna play.

764
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: I saw Ron Rivera fifteen to twenty snaps Matt Lafleur.

765
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: No chance Sean McVeigh. You couldn't pay Sean McVeigh. You

766
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: couldn't pay his h o A fees for the rest

767
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: of his life and his car payments to play one starter,

768
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: let alone as good players that he ain't doing it. So,

769
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if there's a right or

770
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: wrong answer. Pat saw a quote Patrick Mahomes like, you know,

771
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I kind of like to get hit in the preseason,

772
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: kind of gets me ready for the season. Now, if

773
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: things go well, you have a couple of touchdown drives

774
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: your starters, it feels good. I just know this one

775
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: person falls on you're starting guard, your your number two

776
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver the wrong way, and he misses some time

777
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: and he's out for week one. It is a disaster. Now,

778
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I guess I'm a little bit of a puss. I

779
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: would lean the McVeigh. I ain't playing a soul, but

780
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to just act like that's a guaranteed

781
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: thing to work or way to operate. But yeah, I

782
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just I'm fascinated by the way everyone

783
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: does it. I think it's I think it's very interesting.

784
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: You know, let's face it, kind of a boring time. Uh.

785
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: I saw Mary Kay who covers the Browns, said DeShawn Watson.

786
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: Watson the situation, it's just this has been such a

787
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: drag on the league. Can we just make some decisions? Uh?

788
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: If he is suspended for a long period of time,

789
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: I think basically assuming for the year that the Cleveland

790
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: Browns will switch into Jimmy Garoppolo mode. Now I've seen Jimmy,

791
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: I guess every day. I've gone to forty nine practice.

792
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: It's very weird. You walk out there and before you

793
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: get to their practice fields, there's like this little side

794
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: field and he's always he's always right there with a

795
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: couple of little internal looking dudes, just throwing balls. I mean,

796
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: he's doing rollout drills, he's throwing touch passes, he's throwing

797
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: He just looks like Jimmy Garoppolo. So he I mean

798
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: the untrained. I mean I was trained, but to just

799
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, a guy with a media creditial walking around practice. No,

800
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I've scouted a little in my day, So he just

801
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: he looks good. He looks normal. Now, Jimmy's good, you

802
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He looks like Jimmy Garoppolo. So

803
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: he looks fully healthy to me. He's making throws, had

804
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: a good day. It was a couple of days ago.

805
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: They he was kind of like he was out on

806
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: the practice field because he wanted to get do some

807
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: red zone and he kind of did these rollout drills. Now, ironically,

808
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: when Jimmy rolls out in regular season games, it's usually

809
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: not good. He throws picks. But this when the intern

810
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: who's just there in shorts and teachers just standing there. Uh,

811
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: he was throwing some times. So yeah, I mean, if

812
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: I was the Browns, like I would land, Jacoby said,

813
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: think about that. Then you get Jimmy and Jacoby back together.

814
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Remember that was the quarterback situation when Tom was suspended

815
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: for to flay gate. I saw that Commanders ticket prices

816
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: on the secondary market or the lowest in the NFL.

817
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: It really is pretty sad that you have this enormous

818
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: market and this franchise that should just be a bohemoth.

819
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: It was just so irrelevant, and a lot has to

820
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: do with the owner who has been historically terrible, who

821
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: has just a negativity surrounding him the franchise. You know,

822
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera is a high level well like guy. Now

823
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: you could argue just because you're well like coach, like

824
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: the team's got to be good. But yeah, it's just

825
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: it's just not going well there, and um in d

826
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: C at all, I don't really know what to make

827
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: of this, and I don't want to have some theory

828
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: and something comes out that it was some personal issue.

829
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is gonna miss like the next two weeks

830
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: because of a personal matter. Now, Todd Bowles came out

831
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: and said that they had agreed to this before practice,

832
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: So this isn't like, at least based on what they're saying,

833
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: it's not like his kids sick or something happened with

834
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: his wife or his parents. He claims that this was

835
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: agreed about well before trading camp even started, so weeks ago.

836
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: I get it, like you're forty five years old, your

837
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: priorities have changed. But I would say this is a

838
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: little weird as as long as I take it back,

839
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: unless someone is sick or something weird is going on.

840
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: But they have said that it's not the case to me.

841
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: If Tom Brady he was gonna remember he retired and

842
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: then he came back and now he's going into training

843
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: camp knowing it's one thing to get like VET days off,

844
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: Like that happened, Aaron Rodgers, Trent Williams like, I mean

845
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: all over the league. Jason Kelsey like, I listen, you

846
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: can get VET days off. I can give you a

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Speaker 1: VET like three straight days off in practice, but just

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Speaker 1: pick up and leave for two weeks. Remember when Lebron

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Speaker 1: did that in Cleveland, went to Miami, Like it was

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Speaker 1: a little bizarre. Now now, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: this situation, it just feels like it's not quite as smooth, uh,

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Speaker 1: with just the whole operation. Now, I don't blame the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: If Tom says he needs two weeks off, what are

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Speaker 1: you gonna say no? Of course you're gonna say yes.

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Speaker 1: But the Tom Brady that we followed his entire career

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Speaker 1: just takes two weeks off a training camp. Now. I

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Speaker 1: understand he knows the offense and he knows his guys,

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Speaker 1: but finally, I just just feels a little weird to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what else to say beside

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Speaker 1: that Nikil Harry talking about just a disaster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he I loved him in college. I thought he was

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Speaker 1: gonna be a really good player. He clearly is not

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Speaker 1: Belichick gave up on him really fast, and then he

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Speaker 1: goes to the Bears and he immediately gets hurt and

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Speaker 1: now he has he's out multiple months with ankle surgery.

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Speaker 1: So back to the Bears. I saw this headline on

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Speaker 1: the Athletic that one of their players like it felt

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Speaker 1: like we had more guys in the UH that are

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Speaker 1: injured during practice than or even out on the practice field.

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Speaker 1: So Bears fans, buckle up. It's gonna be It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a long year. The Broncos ownership, I was reading

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Speaker 1: a little bit about this because I saw the video

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Speaker 1: that went viral. If you haven't type in Sam Walton,

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Speaker 1: who is the guy, like the ringleader of the ownership group,

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Speaker 1: who is one of the Walmart guys, and worth you know,

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Speaker 1: ten billion or whatever cuts a four point five six

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Speaker 1: or six six whatever the final price was for the

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Speaker 1: Broncos is introductory press conference. He does not know Roger

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Speaker 1: Goodell's name. He calls him Roger Goodle, but he clearly

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Speaker 1: just doesn't know his name. And I was thinking, you know, historically,

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Speaker 1: I've been a lot of owners for the most part,

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Speaker 1: liked the sport, like George Steinbrenner, al Davis, you know,

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Speaker 1: Eddie to Bartelow, Jerry Jones, Like they like football, that

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Speaker 1: Steve ballmer of recently, like they love basketball, they love baseball.

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Speaker 1: Like they buy the team because they love the sport,

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Speaker 1: like it means a lot. It's like the little kid

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Speaker 1: in them. They love the sport. And then once you

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Speaker 1: start getting to the price points of like four or

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Speaker 1: five six billion dollars for teams like one, not every

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Speaker 1: sports fan, the majority of them might not have that

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Speaker 1: much money, right, so there's gonna be a small percentage

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Speaker 1: of human beings that even have that money to purchase

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Speaker 1: a team. What if this guy doesn't care about football

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Speaker 1: at all and they basically just needed a guy with

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Speaker 1: a lot of money and they didn't have that many options.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's out of the realm possibility. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. His son in law, so Walton's

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Speaker 1: Otter's husband is technically running the team, gonna be the

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Speaker 1: point guy. So it's not even like the guy that

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Speaker 1: doesn't know Goodell's name. It feels like he just needed

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Speaker 1: a place to park his money. Which if you're worth

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Speaker 1: like fifteen billion dollars, like what I want to do

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Speaker 1: with the money might as well parking into a team

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Speaker 1: that's gonna you know, net me, I guess not net

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Speaker 1: but gross me six seven million dollars revenue every year

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Speaker 1: and just keep the cash flow. So it's not a

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Speaker 1: crazy business transaction. But I think ideally you want your owners,

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Speaker 1: Like if I'm a Bronco fan, I guess I'd be

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Speaker 1: a little nervous. We went from an owner who recently

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Speaker 1: passed away and Pat Bowland, who football was fucking everything too.

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Speaker 1: The guy was like one of the driving forces on

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Speaker 1: the television deals historically. I mean, he was one of

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Speaker 1: the stalwarts as an owner in the league, beloved like

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Speaker 1: because beloved because football was like part of his interwoven

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Speaker 1: into his soul. Like are we sure I don't know

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Speaker 1: that much about David Tepper? Besides he's a stock guy.

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Speaker 1: It's even like football that much. I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you know, you hope, but there's no guarantee, and it

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Speaker 1: feels like more and more of the money grows, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna start getting some of these owners. It just might

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Speaker 1: not like football now. Maybe the sudden law does, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just I don't necessarily have like

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Speaker 1: an overall take on this, but it's just something to

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Speaker 1: kind of keep an eye on, you know. Now, would

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Speaker 1: you rather have your owner that just is addicted to

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Speaker 1: like Ballmer or Jerry who is just in your assid

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Speaker 1: or Joe Lacob every transaction, you know, just like watching

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Speaker 1: draft picks. Would rather have a guys like I signed

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Speaker 1: the checks. Just just get the job done or I'll

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Speaker 1: fire you. I don't know if there's a right or

931
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Speaker 1: wrong answer there, and there's probably pros and cons with both,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't know Roger Goodell's name. I'd say most

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Speaker 1: people with billions of dollars would just know who Roger

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Speaker 1: Goodell is. I mean, he he That's that's the circles

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Speaker 1: he runs in. Like he doesn't hang out with us pours,

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Speaker 1: you know, he hangs out with billionaires. He's a member

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Speaker 1: of Augusta. I mean, he ain't flying United. So I

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Speaker 1: I just it was weird and last but not least,

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Speaker 1: ron Rivera. He claimed that there's an unfair narrative on

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Speaker 1: Carston Wentz over the last couple of years of people

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Speaker 1: beating him up, you know, and I'm just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to call bs. Ronnie was traded twice in ten months.

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Speaker 1: Twice I guess maybe twelve months right, March to March

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Speaker 1: twice like that, There's no unfair narrative teams. Teams don't

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Speaker 1: create a narrative. Teams just go based on what their

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Speaker 1: interactions are with the player. Eagles are like, we gotta

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Speaker 1: get this guy out of here. The Colts turned on

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Speaker 1: him fast, and that was quote unquote his guy in frank. So,

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Speaker 1: to me, there are no narratives with Carson Wentz. There's

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Speaker 1: just a reality. In his late twenties, in quote unquote

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Speaker 1: the prime of his athletic career, he was traded twice

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Speaker 1: twice twice March. Then the next March that does not happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's crazy. So there there there are

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Speaker 1: no such thing as unfair narratives when the results. To me,

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Speaker 1: narratives are just words. I don't care about words. I

956
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: based on results. Back to back teams pointed on the

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Speaker 1: guy quickly, So I'm gonna have to push back on

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Speaker 1: Ron and say I disagree with that one. Subscribe to

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