1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland and this is Fitness Disrupted. Alright. 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: I have interviewed some pretty amazing athletes on this show. 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Dean car Nazzi is one of them. Ultra marathon man 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: really put ultras on the map. He was the one 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: who did fifty marathons in fifty states in fifty days 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: and so many other things as well. But this guy, 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: well that sounds horrible, sound to administring. What Dean did incredible. 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: But you know, I always say was that I've done 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: a lot of events. There's always so many people who 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: have done more, and that's fine. It's not a competition. 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: This guy, I don't I don't know. I don't know 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: of anyone personally who's kind of achieved what this guy 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: has and continues to which is just so amazing. And 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: here's what's really special about this podcast is I'm going 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 1: to give him a call as he's running across the 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: United States as we speak, and see if we can 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: interview him. He knows I'm calling, by the way, that 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: I've found your phone number. I'm just gonna give you 20 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: a call. No, but you know, there's um Sell issues 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: and things like that. So we'll say if it doesn't 22 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: work the first time, I will do it again, all right. 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: But I'm talking about Michael Wardian, and what I love 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: is that, having been in this industry for so long, 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: I have an experience with Michael from many years ago. 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Two thousand ten, two thousand ten, I was doing more 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: TV stuff and a bunch of TV with a channel 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: in Hartford, Connecticut, and they asked me to be a 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: correspondent at the finish line of the Hartford Marathon. So cool. 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: First time I'd ever done live TV like that. I've 31 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: done a lot of live TV, but not at an event, 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: not at a marathon, not like all day at a 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: finish line myself and one of their real correspondence. They 34 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: brought me in. I had done um, some fitness segments 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: for them, but they brought me in with someone else 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: and it was amazing. So spent the whole day, beautiful day, uh, 37 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: talking about the marathon is it was going on? Uh, 38 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: standing at the finish line and then interviewing. There was 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: a half and a full marathon. Um. And there's other 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: great stories from that. But Michael Wardian one he won 41 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: in two thousand ten and he did this six days 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: after running a marathon in two one. Okay, so you go, 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: that's crazy, but there's so much more, so much more so. 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: I did meet him for about ninety seconds or so. 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure he doesn't remember, but that was my first, 46 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: I think, my first real kind of getting to know 47 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: him as far as who he was, and then as 48 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: I got to know his story more and more, just 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: absolutely insane, absolutely insane. He holds. Let me say this, 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: he's probably one of the world's best ultra runners. Okay, 51 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: if you just pick an event, name an event or 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: race or something, and the chances are that he's not 53 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: only done it, but probably done it a handful of 54 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: times and one it Okay. He like competes all over 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: the world seemingly every weekend marathon's ultra marathons, and he 56 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: doesn't just finish like he finishes fast. He's raised at 57 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: the US Olympic Trials. He owns numerous world records, Guinness 58 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: World Records. He holds the Guinness World Record for the 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: fastest marathon run in Antarctica a two four. He did 60 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: that on Januar seventeen, and that run is believed to 61 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: be the only sub three hour marathon run on the 62 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: ice covered continent. Amazing, But I'm gonna give you so 63 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: much more. Okay. This was, by the way, that run 64 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: was the first leg of his World Marathon Challenge, which 65 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: was seven marathons on seven continents in seven days. So 66 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: Dean did fifty marathon's fifty stays fifty days. Incredible. Uh uh. 67 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: This was for Michael, the first marathon tour of seven 68 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: done in seven days on seven continents. He holds the 69 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: fastest cumulative time for that at nineteen hours, twenty one 70 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: minutes and thirty six seconds, averaging he averaged two forty 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: five fifty seven per marathon. So some of you might 72 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: not understand how fast that is. It's ridiculous. Seven days 73 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: an average seven marathons seven days at that that pace 74 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: in sane. This is what I loved though. Back when 75 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: I interviewed him at the marathon, this came out that 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: he had held I think someone broke it, but he 77 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: had previously held the record for the fastest marathon pushing 78 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: a stroller. He was pushing his ten month old son 79 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Pierce at the Frederick Marathon in two thousand seven. He 80 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: ran a two forty two Has anyone pushed their kid 81 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: in a stroller and run. I tried it once. There's 82 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: a four on the fourth in my hometown. Four in 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: the fourth July. Hot out and back, kind of hilly 84 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: for the first two miles, turned around, come back. My 85 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: son was a little older than ten months at the time. 86 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I made him get out and walk the hill. It's hard, 87 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: and Michael ran pushing his son a two forty two 88 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: crazy crazy in I love this and I heard about 89 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: this at the time, So COVID happened. Races are shut down, right, 90 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: So what does Michael do? He wins the quarantine backyard Ultra. 91 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: This is gonna blow your mind. For those of you 92 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: don't know what a backyard ultra is. The general rule 93 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: is you run four point one mile every hour on 94 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: the hour. So if run ten minute miles, you got 95 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: twenty little less than twenty minutes to rest. Whatever time 96 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: you have left over, that's your rest time. And then 97 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: when the hour starts, you got to do it again. 98 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: What did Michael do? He ran two hundred and sixty 99 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: two point five miles sixty three laps around his neighborhood 100 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: in Arlington, Virginia. Insane. I'm sure the number has changed, 101 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: but he has run over three hundred marathons, over one 102 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: hundred hundred ultra marathons. His achievements so many, but if 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: you want to start to rank them, he was first 104 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: again in that quarantine backyard ultra two hundred and sixty 105 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: two miles. He was second at the hundred K World Championships, 106 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: third at the Marathon des Sablo, which is a stage 107 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: race through the Sahara Desert, self supported. And he has 108 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: the fastest known time also known as f KT in 109 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: the ultra world for the Israel National Trail, which is 110 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: running across the entire country of Israel, and he did 111 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: that in ten days. Ridiculously nice guy, so accessible, loves 112 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: what he does, has a full time job. But my 113 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: point is that when you think you can achieve something, 114 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: here's an example of what the human body can do. 115 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: And by no means do I ever want to run 116 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: two and sixty two miles and a four point one 117 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: mile six laps, But it shows us what we can 118 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: do the power of not only the body, but the mind. 119 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: I know that he wanted to quit. I read an 120 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: article press release about how during that ultra he wanted 121 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: to quit and his wife said why, and he said, 122 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm tired, and she said it's not a good enough 123 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: for reason, he kept doing it any won, he's married 124 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: to someone like I am. Anyway, enough, let's let's see 125 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: if we can get him on the phone. All right, 126 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: quick break when we come back. Michael Wardian currently as 127 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: I speak, running across the United States. All right, we'll 128 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: be right back, and we are back. Uh. It's never easy, 129 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: but I have on the line Michael Wardion. Michael, thank 130 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: you so much. Where are you as we speak? It's amazing. 131 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: I just crossed from Nevada into Utah, So I'm uh, 132 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean I'm nowhere. I'm eight miles from the next 133 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: services so and on the Nova border. Just um, coming 134 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: out of place. Called amazing, So I am. Thanks to 135 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: the power of fitness technology. You have a garment device 136 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: that you're wearing where people can track you. I'm gonna 137 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: put that in in the notes so people can do 138 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: that as well. Did you But it looks like you 139 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: started running super early. How many miles are you in 140 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: right now? Um? I'm about nineteen. Oh my gosh, what 141 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: time did you start? Uh? We started, Well, it's weird 142 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: because we just changed time zones also, so we went 143 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: from Pacific time to Mountain Town. I started at seven 144 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Mountain times, six Pacific time. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. 145 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: So so just explain to people again. I already did 146 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: an intro. I threw to a commercial. This is the 147 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: first time I've ever done an interview like this, Michael, 148 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: and again, thank you so much for making it happen. Um, 149 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: So tell people what you're doing. So, I'm running across 150 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: the United States for Long Route fifty to raise money 151 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: for clean water for a charity called World Vision. So 152 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: the goal is to raise a hundred thousand dollars and 153 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: we're about twenty two thousand dollars towards that goal. So, UM, 154 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: making progress and hopefully the more people that hear about it, 155 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: the more people that are interested in donating and changing lives. Awesome. 156 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: And we're gonna put that that world Vision in the 157 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: notes as well, so people can see that Michael, and 158 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: and donate. Um, which is it's just incredible. And this 159 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: is the first time you've done this. Yes, I just 160 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: want to make sure I've done my research right. The 161 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: first time that I've run across the country. Yes, I 162 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: ran across Israel a couple of years ago. UM, but 163 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: that was quite a bit smaller. So that was a 164 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: thousand kilometers, like six miles in ten days. So this 165 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: is this is a bigger project. Is the bigger project? 166 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: I watched you yesterday. Uh you climbed where did you start? 167 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: You ended up at what like seven thousand feet? And 168 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: you were using the polls and everything. Um. Yeah, that 169 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: looks like a tough day. It looks I had to 170 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: seven actually sorry, two summits or three summits yesterday one 171 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: was seventy one seventy So yeah, it was it was 172 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: a big day. And I ended up at a place 173 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: called Sacramento Pass. And just so people can let we 174 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: hear the cars go and buy you Michael, is there 175 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: a sag you have? Is the RV behind you? Or 176 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: explain to people how you do this with your crew? Oh? Yeah, so, um, 177 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: I have my dad here also, which is another part 178 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: of the the journey and the projects called running home 179 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: actually because I live on Route fifty in Virginia. Um, 180 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: and so what happens is they'll they'll go up. It's funny. 181 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: It's changed over the course of the weeks. But at 182 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: first it was like ten miles and as I've gotten 183 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: more tired, and it's gotten hotter. It's more like five miles. 184 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: So they'll they'll aid me, give me some ice and 185 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: water and stuff, and then drive five miles ahead and 186 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: and then I'll meet him up and if I need 187 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: to stop, I will and we just keep doing that 188 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: until I'm done with just a wile. And basically I 189 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: gotta tell people, Michael, because I've been following you on Instagram, 190 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: uh and you know, reading the stories you post every day, 191 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: So we'll put that in the notes as well so 192 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: people can follow you. There. Did I read correctly that 193 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: the other day you had like four people stop and 194 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: ask if you needed a ride? Yes? Yeah, going there 195 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: was a snow store actually as I was running into 196 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: eallye and uh yeah, four people stopped and one lady 197 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: reprimanded me for not having the proper retire on because 198 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: running shorts on and uh it was you know, just 199 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: running with its actually a lady from the local council. 200 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: It was really cool. So that was that was pretty awesome. 201 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So while I have you people, you know, 202 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: what do you? Let's start with breakfast? So how do 203 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: you feel up? What? What do you is your You 204 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: must have a goat you thing every day pretty much. 205 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: What's what's the what's the before run? Fueling up plants? 206 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: Uh so I'm working with a company called Stoked Oat, 207 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: so it's oatmeal. Um, so have the oat nail usually 208 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: four you five minutes before running or so, and then uh, 209 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to replace like five to seven thousand calories 210 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: every day. So basically every time I stopped, I tell 211 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: tram in as much shood as I can and are 212 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: you taking stuff? I assume you're wearing the vest and 213 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: taking stuff in as you go, or you just wait 214 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: until the to the pit stops. No, no, no, I 215 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: well sometimes I have a vest all the time. I 216 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: have a waste pack, So I have like a Nathan 217 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Pinnacle waste pack with like my spot tracker. It's like 218 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: the garment in reach. And then I have my phone 219 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: and some headphones and a little bit of money and 220 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: then I'm I'm running with speed max um hydration bottle. 221 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: But then sometimes I'm also wearing a vest. Today I'm 222 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: going with no vest, just to give my shoulders a break. 223 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: And what what's your Did you have a calorie per 224 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: hour that you're shooting for whatever it might be? Uh? 225 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Not really um, because it's sometimes it's just hard to eat. Um. 226 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: So it's sometimes it's just easier because I'm gonna see aids, 227 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: so often I'll just taking liquid calories along the way 228 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: and then I always have like a stack with me, 229 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: like some apple sauce or doo or something if I 230 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: really need it, and then I'll just eat a sandwich 231 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: or something when i get to the r V. And 232 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: what what about when you're done? Are you just like 233 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: you must be starving? Do you have a post run 234 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: kind of ritual that you have food wise, hydration wise? Um? Yeah, 235 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,239 Speaker 1: I just try to eat literally as much as possible. Um. 236 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Each night. Like last night, I had a salad with 237 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: and I usually don't have dressing with my salad, but 238 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: I had the most calorie DNS Italian dressing uh. And 239 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: I think I may have even put extra olive oil 240 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: on it and salt and then pasta and then some 241 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: French fries. And I'm a vegetarian also, so like uh yeah, 242 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: it's just yeah, what else do I have? Oh, chips 243 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: and sausa, But the chips and salsa were not good 244 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: at the place where we had them. But anything and 245 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: anything you can get your hands on anything and everything right, 246 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: just you gotta refuel and it. Yeah, and I'm meaning 247 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: a lot of like I worked with a company called 248 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: Big Spoon Rosters, and I'm meaning tons of nut butters 249 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: throughout the day also, So I'll just come in and 250 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: just think a spoon and just it right in the jar, 251 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: just just eat it, eat it straight basically. And I'm like, oh, 252 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: that was just silories, you know, such an easy quick way, right, yeah. 253 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: And people are so interested, right, and how you do 254 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: it and what you feel yourself with and how are 255 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: you passing the time. I kind of know from following you, 256 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: but tell people what you're doing. I know people are 257 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: just jumping in with you and running, yes, and then 258 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: you're doing different things to kind of get you through. Yeah, yeah, 259 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: definitely there's people when I get in your towns. It's 260 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: been really great. People have come out and run with me, 261 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: and I hope that that continues. Um, And that's been 262 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: really fun. And then when people aren't with me, I'm 263 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: doing a lot of audio books, um, some of the 264 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: books that I didn't read in my youth. Right now, 265 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm reading Tale of Two Cities. I read a book 266 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: called American Gods. I did some movie I got warrant 267 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: tief Um right now. I just I just learned there's 268 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: a Stephen King book about the high lay Alma called Desperation, 269 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: So I just started that. Um. But it's all about 270 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: root fifty and you know what happens the Loneliest Highway. 271 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: A lot of reading well, and then I do like 272 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: podcasts and uh music and also my friends all I'm 273 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: lucky because I've worked with Team Mobile, so it's shockingly 274 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: have really good service almost everywhere. So I've been able 275 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: to like just bore my friends. They're like they'll just 276 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: call me and we'll talk for like half an hour 277 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: or whatever, and they're like, what are you doing? What 278 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: male were you on? Where are you? I mean, it's 279 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: it's incredible that you can can do that and tell us, 280 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: tell us some great stories so far. So you started 281 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: on me feet, Um, give us some like memorable experiences 282 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: if you had up up until now. Yeah, I mean 283 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: it's been, Um, the whole thing has been pretty memorable. 284 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: Like starting on May first, like I started at City 285 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Hall in San Francisco with a big group of runners 286 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: for the San Francisco Marathon, which it's like one of 287 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: my favorite races I've won both their marathon and ultra 288 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: and they're good friends. So they had a group of 289 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: runners come out, and I'd say one of the most 290 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: memorable things was running across San Francisco, putting my feet 291 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: in the Pacific Ocean UM, having a big group there, 292 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: and then running across the Golden gate Bridge. UM. Meeting 293 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of friends in Sacramento was fantastic. UM got 294 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: to I got to go by Folsom prison and listen 295 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: to like Johnny Cash. That was really awesome. From there, UH, 296 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: running through up to Plasserville, which is like a very 297 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: famous for ultra running. That's where the Western States hundred 298 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: miler finishes. So ran from there to Tahoe, which was incredible. 299 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: Brand I think that day it was around of climbing, 300 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: so it was a really really long day. It was 301 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: probably my longest day running was as far as time, 302 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: but so beautiful. Coming into Tahoe, I actually sat like 303 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: a Strava segment which was funny and like a mile UM. 304 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: So that was cool. And then running from Tahoe to 305 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: UM two, Nevada was one of the most incredible things. 306 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: Like running across my first stay on this journey was 307 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: pretty special. And then Nevada was it was really really cool, 308 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: Like I was just shocked at how fast it is, 309 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it was like I was joking with someone, 310 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: it's like a outdoor treadmill, like he just had these 311 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: magnificent mountains all around you. But ever, I was in 312 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: Nevada for I don't know, I don't know if it's 313 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: the longest of all the states all begin but it 314 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: definitely is a big, big state. So that was that 315 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: was cool. We we've finished enough place called middle Gate, 316 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: which is like fifty or sixty miles from anywhere, and 317 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: like had the most incredible neal and waitress and listen 318 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: to live music. That was really cool. And then there's 319 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: a tree where people throw their shoes, so like we 320 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: got we got to pretend to throw our shoes in 321 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: the tree, which was neat. And then going through eally 322 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: was cool just to see what there's a huge copper 323 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: mind there. It's like one of the biggest, I think 324 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: in the world or something, so to see, you know 325 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: what that looks like. And now I'm in Utah, so 326 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of that's that's kind of it. No 327 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: better way to see the country, Michael. Most people won't 328 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: do it your way obviously, but I would say, you know, 329 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: driving it is chat sung enough, um, just incredible. So 330 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: and what are your your veteran You've been doing this 331 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: like forever, um, no one probably knows it better than you. 332 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: But what are your physical challenges now? Like what what 333 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: crops up running fifty miles a day for sixty plus 334 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: days or whatever it is. What are the physical challenges 335 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: you're experiencing. I mean, at the beginning it was a 336 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: lot of just fatigue. I feel like it's kind of 337 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: interesting because each day I'm getting stronger and bitter, but 338 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm also taking body blows the whole time from the 339 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: distance and in the train, so it's like a very 340 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: interesting balance. I'd say the biggest things I'm trying to 341 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: be super mindful is I've got so pretty severe sunburned 342 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: yesterday for some reason. So I'm being really mindful to 343 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: make sure I use the sunscreen and then blisters, like 344 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: just trying to make sure that little hotspots don't become 345 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: a blister. Um. And you know, I mean I've worked 346 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: within GINGI which to socks, so they've worked really well 347 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: to minimize friction, and so right now I feel pretty happy. 348 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: You know, just have some KT tape on where where 349 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: things could become a problem. But right now everything's good. 350 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: That's great. And by the way, every time a cargoes by, 351 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: I get nervous. I'm sure people who who are listening 352 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: are gonna will tell you. I will tell you. The 353 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: shoulder in Nevada is about three ft wider than in Utah. 354 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: So Utah saved a lot of money on the shoulder. 355 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: So you're not as happy as you were a day ago, 356 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: well even like four or three hours ago. Like, yeah, 357 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: it's very very tight. It's like a it's like a 358 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: two lane highway and I'm very close to traffic. Now. 359 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: You just said people don't get this. You know, I've 360 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: done some endurance races nowhere near you. But you said 361 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: you're getting stronger, And that's totally contradictory to what most 362 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: people think. You know, the moment they get tired in 363 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: an event or something, they mentally probably quit or many 364 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: people do, right because they don't understand. They haven't done 365 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: it long enough to realize that you can actually get 366 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: through and be stronger. So so talk about that a little. 367 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so counterintuitive to most people. Yeah, I 368 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: mean I think that it's like anything, the more you 369 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: do it, the more your body gets used to it. 370 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: So usually the people that I talked to, they have 371 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: done this kind of trans continental running. To say, the 372 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: first two or three weeks really is when you kind 373 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 1: of experience all the aches and pains, and then your 374 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: body realizes you're not going to quit, and then it's like, okay, fine, 375 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: you know we're gonna try to become as efficient as possible, 376 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: and then you just kind of turn into like a 377 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 1: some people called it like a road hug or like 378 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: a monster, or you just start being able to run 379 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: faster and stronger, and but you have to get there, 380 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: and so a lot of people, you know, gets you 381 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: get torn down. It's just like any thing when you're 382 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: building muscle or endurance, Like there's a tear down phase, 383 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: but if you can recover each night and and you 384 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: eventually start to get stronger and stronger. And so I'm 385 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: just trying to make sure I get through the first 386 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and then be able to reap those 387 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: benefits and keep going and continue to do the miles 388 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: I need to do each day. Hopefully it'll be easier 389 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: and easier as I go incredible and that people like 390 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: that that minute when you just gave is like so 391 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: powerful to so many people who have no idea what 392 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: they can get through and come out stronger on the 393 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: other side and give us your mental challenges though, so 394 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: you know you are one of the strongest mentally, uh 395 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: that I know as far as all this goes and 396 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: talk about the mental I'm sure you still have those 397 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: issues the challenges. Oh yeah, I mean it's I mean 398 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of hardship. I mean, it's hard to 399 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: be away from your family and friends. It's hard to 400 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: be away from I still work like a job, so 401 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: like it's hard to be away from work. It's each 402 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: day it's it's hard to stay motivated when you know 403 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: you you're I've been running for four hours and twenty 404 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: three minutes and I still have eight hours to run. Like, um, 405 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a thing. But I'm 406 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: also looking at it as each day is like an adventure, 407 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: and I get to, um, sixty four adventures, and so 408 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: I think it's really how you frame it, right, Like 409 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna be around the next corner, 410 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: but I want to find out. You know, if I 411 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: started feeling down or whatnot. You can choose to feel 412 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: however you want, and so I'm excited about just the 413 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to see more of the country and to see 414 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: it under my own power. It's that's highly motivating for me. 415 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: It's incredible. And when, um, I know your story, but 416 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: tell people, when was there a moment Michael in your youth. 417 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: I know you started pretty much in college or just 418 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 1: after getting serious about it, but when did you realize, hey, 419 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm probably kind of good at this. I know it's 420 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: a weird question, but was there a moment um No, 421 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: I'd say I decided I wanted to run the Boston Marathon, 422 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: and I didn't know that that was actually like a 423 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: dream of most people, and so um, just decided that 424 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: was going to be my first marathon. And then it 425 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: was actually, you have to qualify for the Boston Marathon. 426 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: And so I ran Marine Corps first and aimed to 427 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: qualify and did and then I was like, um, you know, 428 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: that's kind of good. But then I decided, oh, if 429 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: you run sub three hours, that means you're a good runner. 430 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I had heard that or read that in like Runners 431 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: World or something, and so I thought Okay, I'll do that. 432 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: So right after I ran Boston in seven, I think 433 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: I went to the local running store and I was like, hey, hey, sirs, 434 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: you know I'm which is funny because they're actually still 435 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: supporting this run. I'm still still still working with like 436 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: people that started with me, you know, I don't know 437 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: twenty some years ago or whatever years ago. But I 438 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm a good runner, and they were like, yeah, yeah, 439 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: you're not a good runner, but you can come. You can. 440 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: I mean not that to fifty four isn't good, but 441 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, you're not good enough to be 442 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: on our team. And so I decided to try to 443 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: make their team, and within like six months I was 444 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: on the team. But I still didn't think I was 445 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: I still wasn't sure if I was a good runner. 446 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: I'd say the first time I thought I was probably 447 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: like really substantial was when I qualified for my first 448 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: Olympic trials and UM two thousand and four. That's when 449 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm I'm a good runner. Before that, 450 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: I was like I'm good at like endurance events because 451 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: I did really well, like the Marathon to sob and 452 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: a race in India called the Himalayan hundred mile stage race. 453 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Like I was like, um, I'm good at these like 454 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: kind of long things. But I feel like when I 455 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: qualified for the only big trials the first time was 456 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: when I was like, I'm not I'm a pretty good runner. 457 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: So your bar set a pretty high, Michael, Like, you know, 458 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: explain to people what the Marathon to sob that is. 459 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: It's it's the stage race, and tell them, tell them 460 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: what it encompasses. Oh yeah, yeah, sorry. So Marathon to 461 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: sab is a seven days stage race across the Sahara 462 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Desert where you're required to carry all your own gear 463 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: and so like sleeping bag, flair, snake bite kid and 464 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: all your food for a week and then they give 465 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: you nine liters of water a day. But you have 466 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: like a punch card, so if you don't take it, 467 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: then you don't get it back. So like if they 468 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: offer you a bottle at the maid station and you 469 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: don't take it, you don't get it later. And you 470 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: run two kilometers or about a hundred and fifty miles 471 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: across the Sahara Desert in Baraco. But but that didn't 472 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't until you you got to the Olympic trials 473 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: that you said, no, I'm good, it wasn't. Yeah, I 474 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: mean I was like I said, I was like, I'm 475 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: pretty good at like the longer stuff. Yeah, i'd say, 476 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: like to feel like you're I don't know, I feel 477 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: like I don't know why. That's why what made me 478 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: feel like that? But I was also like a pro 479 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: before that. I guess so, and what's the cut off? 480 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: It was a sub at that time. It was and 481 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: then and then I kept qualifying, and then some people 482 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: say they kept dropping the talk because I kept qualifying, 483 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: So then they moved it down to to nineteen. And 484 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: I think it might be to seventeen now, or maybe 485 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: it's back at two nineteen. So I qualified in two thousand, four, 486 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: eight and twelve. So my pr in the marathon's to seventeen. 487 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You have so many accomplishments and achievements 488 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: Michael that I talked about in the intro. One of 489 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: my favorites. Though I want you to just bolls too, 490 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: But what is the uh the pushing your son in 491 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: the stroller? Yes, tell people about that. Yeah. I so 492 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: I also do some in this world records And I 493 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: said world record that's since been beaten, and it's been 494 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: beaten pretty handily by my friend Glum Enough. Um, but 495 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: I ran two forty two pushing my son Pierson a 496 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: jog stroller and set a world record in two thousand 497 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: and seven. I think it's funny. Now Pierce is just 498 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: about to drive, so it just blows me away. Yeah, 499 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: you're not pushing him in the uh the you know 500 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: the iron Man jogging stroller anytime soon? No, no, no, 501 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: pretty easy. He just ran regional track meet, Like, he 502 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: just did hurdles regionals for our school. So yeah, he's 503 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: got the genetical time class. That's that's amazing. I mean 504 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: I did a four on the fourth with my son 505 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: once and I made him get out and walk the hill. 506 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I don't have this. 507 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Those mothers are pretty darned strong. Um. Oh my gosh. Incredible. Um, 508 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: And tell people a little bit more about World Vision. Yeah. 509 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: So World Visions a charity. Um, they actually do a 510 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: lot of different things. Um. I work with them professionally. 511 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm an international shipbroker, and so they do direct 512 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: feeding programs on top of clean water projects. Uh, they 513 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of different things. But the thing that 514 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: this run is force for the clean water aspect. And 515 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: what's really impactful about clean water is that it can 516 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: change the lives of so many people and it's a 517 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: long term thing. So you build a well enough a 518 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: village or a tow ship, you changed like not just 519 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: the lives of the immediate people, but also the people 520 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: around there. You improve the infrastructure, you change the lives 521 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: of many of the children because a lot of times 522 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: they're the ones who are sank to get the water. 523 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: A lot of times those kids are carrying like a 524 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, like a jerry can, so it's like you know, 525 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: five five five gallons for it's usually leaders. I think 526 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: like a five leader jerry can up to six kilometers 527 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: so you know, four miles or so. Um, they're going 528 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: back and forth and they're you know, spending that time 529 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: when they could be doing other stuff like going to 530 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: school and so yeah, it can really make a big difference. 531 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: That's incredible And you, um, are you still working full 532 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: time for that's the shipbroker that people need to realize. Yeah, 533 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: I am still working a whole time. I'm lucky team 534 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: at work, Keith and Mark are doing a great job. 535 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: Bring me all I get to run around and uh 536 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: and you know be out here doing this, but yeah, 537 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: it's it's really incredible life. Felt super fortunate that that 538 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm able to, you know, still have the ability of 539 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: work and the opportunity to do these things too. I 540 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: just want people to say, or to realize, Michael, that 541 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: when the number one reason for not exercising is a 542 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: lack of time, you know, you know, thanks to COVID 543 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: working remotely and you're running across the United States. Granted 544 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: you know your your employer is understanding, but we all 545 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: have time, right, we can all do so much more? Right? Well, yeah, 546 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, everyone's got a unique situation. 547 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: But you know there are there are ways where you 548 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: can be efficient. I do have a saying it's like 549 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: invisible training, but you know, can you find a way 550 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: to can you to work or go during your lunch 551 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: break where you know no one's gonna miss you? Um? 552 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, if you can find ways to be efficient, 553 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: you can decide what you want to do and then 554 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: figure out how to train to get it done. It 555 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 1: plays into my most recent book, Michael, is the micro 556 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Workout Plan, and I talk about yeah, you can go 557 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: to the gym, but it's about what you do throughout 558 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: the day. As you're saying, like sneaking the workouts in right, 559 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: all right, that scared me. That sounded too close. That 560 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: sounded yeah. I mean it's like I like, every time 561 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: you take a call, do five push ups. You know, 562 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: every time you walk out of your you walk out 563 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: of your office to the bathroom, do five push ups 564 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: or you know a side plank, sir, Um, you know, 565 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: jumping jack's or burpies. I mean, you do fifty buries 566 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: a day, You're gonna be pretty fit, right, And that's 567 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: one thing as we wrap this upside want you're giving 568 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: us so much time. Um, you do strength training, Like, yeah, 569 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: don't don't feel bad. Like, as long as I have service, 570 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: I'm happy to chat. I just I'm worried you're gonna, 571 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: like cars gonna come too close. So oh yeah, don't worry. 572 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: Talk about strength training real quick, because you do it 573 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: and many runners don't. And I see you, you know, 574 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: posting videos and for someone who is at your level, 575 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: many don't and many at what we're level. So just 576 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: talk about your strength training kind of routine and protocol. 577 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it. Yeah. During COVID, I got 578 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: into CrossFit with my friend Tom Mayer Hopper, and he 579 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: and I do five days of cross cross city type stuff. 580 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's CrossFit because it's not everything now way, 581 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: but it's kind of that focused. And then I worked 582 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: two days a week with a guy named Jesse Fuller 583 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: who's a personal training or physical therapist, and so he's 584 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: the one who makes me do all the stuff that 585 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: you really should do but you don't really want to do, 586 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: like walking on your toes and inch worms and dead 587 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: bugs and planks and bird dogs and all the little like, oh, 588 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: let's see how strong you are. Just stand on one 589 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: leg for a second and you're like, oh my god, 590 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: I can't barely hold myself up right. So um ah, yeah, 591 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: I feel like that stuff has been so instrumental in 592 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: me being able to run as well as I have 593 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: so far and staying healthy. And actually it's kind of cool. 594 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: You caught me on a day where this is the 595 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: longest I've ever run continuously, because I just went by 596 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: the amount of days that it took me across Israel, 597 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: and I'm just about to cross the amount of miles 598 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: that I did, so that's pretty yeah, So this is 599 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: kind of a seminal day for me, something I thing 600 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: I was really excited about because you know, this is 601 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: all new territory for me now, which is crazy given 602 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: all that you've done. So I feel honored and you know, 603 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing it, and I love 604 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: I pulled up a couple of lines of yours, but 605 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: one I love that I think is perfect to kind 606 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: of start to wrap it up with, is you say 607 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: you said, I think you have to set the audacious 608 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: and big goals, right, and that it keeps you passionate. 609 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: So talk about people again, just who have that limited 610 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: thinking Michael, that they can't they can't accomplish things that 611 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: we both know if they put them on to it 612 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: they can, right, So just talk about setting those goals 613 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: and how they should scare you and and you know 614 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: that there is no failure. Yeah. Well, and that's what 615 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I think is cool about it is like, okay, so 616 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: it's almost like the Japanese style of marathon training. I 617 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you know this or not, but they 618 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: will be like I'm a two nine marathon runner for 619 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: ten miles, and then three weeks later it's for thirteen 620 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: miles and then sixteen miles and it's kind of like 621 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: that when you said these big goals, even if you 622 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: come short, you're like, okay, and maybe I didn't make 623 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: it the full you know, five k, but I made it, 624 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: you know, three k, and then the next time you 625 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: make it four k, and so it's incremental progress. And 626 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: I think, you know, the big goals for me, i'd 627 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: be running across the country, but for somebody else it 628 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: could be I just want to start running three days 629 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: a week. Or I just talked to my friend yesterday 630 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: and uh Courtney and Singapore, which was awesome, and she 631 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: was saying she wants to start lifting more because she 632 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: saw me doing the streak training, so you know, she 633 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: started to lift like three days a week. And Like, 634 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: it can be whatever it is for you, But I 635 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: think if it doesn't scare you, then it's gonna be 636 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: something where you you aren't that interested in pursuing it, 637 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: because if it's too easy, then you'll just be like 638 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: I can do that anytime. And if it's too hard, 639 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna get discouraged. So um, it's got to be 640 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: kind of in the sweet spot. But I think if 641 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: you can't kind of figure it out, it'll be a 642 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: really good way to drive yourself to where you want 643 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: to go. And if you don't make it, maybe the 644 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: next time you will, or it'll put you on the path. 645 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: Then you can see what you did wrong and then 646 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: tweak it and then you get there. It's just like anything. 647 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: But if you don't have goals and you don't say him, 648 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: and you don't put them out there, then then it's 649 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: not going to actually ever happen, or at least that's 650 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: how it works for me, right, right, right? I love that, 651 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's the's the shorterter. I call it excessive moderation, Michael. 652 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's being consistent, consistency of the small stuff, 653 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: shooting for the big stuff. Find something you know. It's 654 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: gonna take your time to figure out what motivates you. 655 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: You don't have to run, but you gotta figure out 656 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: what you enjoy. I always say, if if you're looking 657 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: for the shortest amount of time to exercise, you haven't 658 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: found the exercise you like. Right, if someone told you 659 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: or me you could only run for eight minutes a day, 660 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: we'd go no, like we're fighting, right, So you just 661 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: gotta find it. Right, But if you only had eight minutes, 662 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: I would say, do eight minutes of burpies and you 663 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: will be ready to be done. Right, You will be right, you, 664 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: you will be like because I was on a boat 665 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: in the Galapagos with our family right before this trip, 666 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: and it was hard to You couldn't run on the 667 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: boat and it was hard to run. And so I 668 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: was just doing like a hundred burpees every morning. He 669 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: took about eight minutes, and I was pretty much ready 670 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: to be done. Yeah. Yeah, I hate purpies by the way, 671 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: for that reason. Really hard, dude. They are so good. 672 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: I've made many people do them in my videos. I 673 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: just sit back and coach. Yeah yeah, but there there's 674 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: there's like really, I mean, burpies, push ups and sit 675 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,439 Speaker 1: ups like you're pretty much and if you can find 676 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: somewhere to do with some pull offs, oh yeah, I 677 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: mean you're good. So that's how I started, you know, 678 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: when I was fourteen herschel walker. I think I'm a 679 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: couple of years older than you, but sports illustrated. He said, 680 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: he did free, used to carry around, He used to 681 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: carry around water jugs. Took jugs, right, yes, three pushups, 682 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: three sit ups? Uh yeah, But it was just the basics, right, 683 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: and you know, obviously good genetics as well, But to 684 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: your point, it's like, it's the minutes. It's going hard 685 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: when you have a short amount of time, and if 686 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: you have you know, two months, you run across the 687 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: United States. Yeah, let's finish with this story because I 688 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: love this tell So, Uh, the quarantine backer at Ault 689 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: COVID hit you needed something to do, you did the uh, 690 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: And I kind of explained this in the intro. It's 691 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: four point one miles every hour on the hour. About 692 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: halfway through and you're doing in your neighborhood, you decided 693 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: you've had enough, right, you were like, I think I'm done, 694 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: and then what happened. Well, yeah, so it's four point 695 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: one six six seven, So it's a little bit more right. Uh. 696 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: And so basically, I don't know if your audience is familiar, 697 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: but basically every twenty four hours you go a hundred miles, 698 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: So that's kind of the premise. And then every hour 699 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: on the hours you have to start. So you if 700 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: you do it in thirty minutes, you have thirty minutes 701 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: to rest. If you do it in fifty nine minutes, 702 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: you have one minute to rest and eat and whatever. 703 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: And once you leave for the loop, you're not allowed 704 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: to have any aid or support. So um. Yeah, so 705 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: around up to that point I had the longest I 706 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: had run continuously was about three kilometers, which is about 707 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty four miles or so. And so 708 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: I think it was the middle of the second night, um, 709 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: because they were coming up on two hundred miles. I'd 710 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: gone past three, and I was just feeling really bad. 711 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: My stomach wasn't feeling great, and I was just like down, 712 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: and um, I was just I was doing a point 713 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: four mile loop around my neighborhood, so basically like a 714 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: block and I've been running it for two and a 715 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 1: half days, you know, and I was just like, everyone's 716 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: like asleep right now. Uh, my wife had just last 717 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: or something, and my friend Tom had come to like 718 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: take over the age station, even though I couldn't really 719 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: take any food or whatever. Uh and then I, yeah, 720 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: I decided I was gonna I started and I just 721 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: just feeling bad and I decided I'm gonna quit. And 722 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: uh so I'm walking back to the aide station and 723 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I've made people stay out here 724 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: long enough, and I my I got back and my 725 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: wife Jennifer who's a huge supporter. She's been with me 726 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: from the very beginning. She was like, do you feel sick? 727 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like no, and she she goes, are you hurt. 728 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm like nope. She's like, I'm like I had, I'm 729 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: just gone though, I don't want to go on anymore. 730 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: And she goes, that's not a good enough excuse, and 731 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, you're right, that's just not a 732 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: good enough excuse. So I kept going and then I 733 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: was able to do like an extra like eight miles 734 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: or so and ended up winning the race. So you know, 735 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you need that uh tough love. And I felt 736 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: great from that point on. I never felt bad. And 737 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: you did two sixty two point five is that correct? 738 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: Sixty three laps? Uh? Yeah. So we married the same woman, 739 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: the same type of woman. Michael, I'll leave you. I love. 740 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: This is a perfect way to kind of tie it 741 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: all up. I've done iron Man's all over the world. 742 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: One of my first ones Florida, I was hitting, you know, 743 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 1: the goal was to qualify for way long story short 744 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: now and back. I'm hitting the times, but I'm not 745 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: feeling good either. I get to my wife at the 746 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: thirteen point one mile point of the run, and I say, listen, 747 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen today, and she screams at me, 748 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: you go turn around, shut up, just suck it up 749 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: and go. And I ran my fastest half i'd ever run. Right, 750 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, so we like listen, I didn't run and 751 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: the ninety more. But the point is we always have more, 752 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's so mental. Obviously you gotta have the 753 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,399 Speaker 1: physical part two, but people have to realize how much 754 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: they can do. Michael. I can't thank you enough. And 755 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: can we check in? Can I check in with you 756 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: again in a couple of weeks to where we are? 757 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, man, anytime you guys won, that would 758 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: be great. Oh my gosh, I cannot thank you enough. 759 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: Congrats on so what you just officially this is the 760 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,839 Speaker 1: most days. Yeah, this is the most days. And I 761 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: think I'm close to the most miles I've ever run. 762 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, you sound darn good, Michael. Yeah, yeah, I 763 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: feel I'm feeling really good. So, oh my god, have 764 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: an awesome day. I'm gonna be following you and gonna 765 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: share everything. People are gonna donate, and we're gonna check 766 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: in with you again and have an awesome a couple 767 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: of weeks and and we'll speak to you soon. All right, 768 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: sounds great. Thank you, Kansas. You let me know, reach out, 769 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: let me know when you're you know, when you feel 770 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: like it, a little someone to talk to. Forty so 771 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: on minutes. Thank you, Michael, having an awesome day, and 772 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: we'll speak soon. All right, Thank you, great one, and 773 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: we will be back after this short break, and we 774 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: are back. I love my job. I love it. I 775 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 1: say it frequently because I'm that passionate about it to 776 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: talk to people like Michael Wardian, How lucky are we? 777 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: How looky am I to have this forum, this platform, 778 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: and to bring it to you and to have that 779 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: conversation like I feel, I don't even know what the 780 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: feeling is right now. It's but it's good. It's a 781 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: positive thing. Like it's like a workout. It's like it's 782 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: like I ran, we ran a marathon together, Like we're 783 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: all better and stronger for listening to Michael. Like I'm 784 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: keeping this short because there's no way I can better 785 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: what we just listened to for the past thirty mon minutes. 786 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: And that's what you get when you have someone who 787 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: has just pushed through are you gonna run across the 788 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: United States? No? Are you gonna run it all? Maybe not? 789 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: Are you gonna, you know, suffer setbacks? Are you gonna 790 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,760 Speaker 1: have obstacles in your life? Are you going to feel 791 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: poorly mentally and physically? Yeah? And that I looked right 792 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: at my recording equipment of fifteen minutes when he started 793 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: talking about when I asked the question about the obstacles, 794 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 1: he encountered, that's sixty seconds. Blew me away. Gave me chills. 795 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,240 Speaker 1: That's why I only bring you the best of the best. 796 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: We don't have time. We have time. And I gotta 797 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: say this. I know a lot of ultra people. I 798 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: know a lot of iron men and a a lot of 799 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: endurance athletes. They're not all like Michael Wardian. Most aren't. 800 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: He is truly unique. What do I mean by that? Well, 801 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: most people who are you know, drawn to running ridiculously 802 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: long distances, not always the most social. And that's fine, 803 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: Like I believe that you know you do that because 804 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: you need to. But then there's those who have reached 805 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: a level of just living that is incredible. How many 806 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: times I say incredible, I kept saying it after and 807 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: I'm very conscious of words. I use, but I could 808 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: not not all right enough. We're gonna check in with 809 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,760 Speaker 1: him again. I wanted to stay on. How many times 810 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: do I also say during interviews that I wish I 811 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: could have stayed on for four more hours. And that's 812 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: because it's the best of the best. When you have 813 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: access to people who are going to make you better, 814 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: you are a better person for listening to that. I 815 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: am a better person, way better for interact with Michael Wardion. 816 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,879 Speaker 1: And I feel so honored that he took the time 817 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,240 Speaker 1: and that we listened to him, to him someone who's 818 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: done what he has accomplished, accomplished something new for him. 819 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:22,399 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh incredible. If you want to reach out, 820 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: Tom h Fit is Instagram and Twitter Tom h Fit 821 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:32,439 Speaker 1: direct message, questions, comments, if you can donate, I'm gonna 822 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: as soon as I finished recording here follow him to 823 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 1: be inspired Michael Wardian see the links and a spell 824 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: his name and all that stuff in the notes. If 825 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: you want to reach out through email, Fitness Disrupted dot 826 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: com email me through the site. I'm just uh, I 827 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: feel really good like this is This is all about 828 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: collecting experiences and experience interacting with Michael Wardion. This is 829 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: what we do, make us better, put things into perspective, 830 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: teach us what we can do what we have control over. 831 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: That's an extreme I get it, not asking you to 832 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: do remotely what mich Alwardian does, but you need to 833 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 1: learn from it and take ownership of the fact that 834 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: we control three things, how much we move, what we 835 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: put into our mouths, and our state of mind, our attitude, 836 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: and as Michael put in a way I've never heard before, 837 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: the control over the mind is everything we see those 838 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 1: memes about. If you believe it, you can achieve all 839 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: that stuff, but you need to hear people who actually 840 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: live it. And you just did. Think of Michael Wardian 841 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: and enjoy the rest of your runs. Stay safe. Those 842 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,399 Speaker 1: trucks going by were freaking me out. I am Tom 843 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,920 Speaker 1: Holland This is Fitness Disrupted. Believe in yourself. Fitness Disrupted 844 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts 845 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 846 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.