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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Today I am joined by one of the strongest female

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Speaker 2: voices in the fight for free speech. Sage Cel took

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Speaker 2: the COVID vaccine mandates and get this, her own experience

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Speaker 2: as a biracial woman. I mean, that's where we are

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Speaker 2: today as a standout champion for First Amendment rights. She

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Speaker 2: actually risked it all. Sage put her dream job, financial interests,

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Speaker 2: and long standing presence on ESPN all on the line.

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Speaker 2: But she won that battle and she continues to speak

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Speaker 2: corporations and politicians that drone on about inclusivity and diversity,

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Speaker 2: those are actually just canned lines, because without diversity of thought,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me today. I love

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Speaker 2: what you're doing. I think being a champion for free

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Speaker 2: speech is so important. But I also think it is

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Speaker 2: kind of shocking to hear that you had this huge

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Speaker 2: platform and you stepped away because you were being silenced

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Speaker 2: on many issues.

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Speaker 1: Can you just kind of tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's so nice to meet you, tutor, and

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Speaker 3: I followed you for a while. Thank you for having

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Speaker 3: me on. I am man, I'm still kind of in shock.

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Speaker 3: I think that is to this point that I'm here

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Speaker 3: and unemployed. You know, I have been working since I

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Speaker 3: what's that thirty six straight years. So I guess it's

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go away because I feel like

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Speaker 3: there's too much going on. There's too many important things,

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Speaker 3: and I just never thought i'd be here. I never

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Speaker 3: thought that by being honest about myself and my own

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Speaker 3: just not wanting to get the vaccine the mandate was

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Speaker 3: that what I had a problem with while respecting others

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that that got me in so much trouble.

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Speaker 3: And then I was scared and I apologized because I

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't look myself in the mirror just remaining

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Speaker 3: most importantly, it's the hypocrisy and allowing some to speak

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Speaker 3: And I've been saying. I remember I gave a speech

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Speaker 3: that's the founda it needs, through the foundation for diversity.

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Speaker 3: If we don't begin here with diversity of thought the

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Speaker 3: other stuff, you don't mean that either, But.

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Speaker 2: That was what the country was always based on. I

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Speaker 2: And I think that folks look at someone like you

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Speaker 2: could it possibly have been to walk away from a

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Speaker 1: I've been watching on Twitter the battles back and.

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Speaker 2: Forth, and I see people who are so scared by

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Speaker 2: you apart. But the funny thing is it's not that

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Speaker 2: different than what was happening when you were there. Because

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Speaker 2: you couldn't talk about being biracially, you had to be black.

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Speaker 2: Explain to us what that was like, because it's an experience.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I haven't had I talk a lot about my

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Speaker 3: Actually, can I ask you real quick because you said

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Speaker 2: I think I see it as I mean, when I

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Speaker 2: I mean in their opinion, you know, looking at your life,

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Speaker 2: how could it get better? We can't let her come

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Speaker 2: out and expose that it wasn't that great behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: that diversity really isn't there. That you can't actually have diversity,

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Speaker 2: I think that really terrifies the people who want to

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Speaker 3: And you know what, it's a great point. I'm so

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Speaker 3: glad you brought it up. And it's just for me personally.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't do it any longer. And yes, it had

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Speaker 3: interracial couples and marriages. It just didn't matter. So when

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Speaker 3: obviously see the issues involved with it. But the goal

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Speaker 3: What did Martin Luther King say? Right, content of character

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Speaker 3: not black enough. Right Again, That's happened my whole life.

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Speaker 3: I think the worst part was when it happened to

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Speaker 2: Don't call the black community one one group. You know,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting to hear you go, I

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Speaker 2: don't see color. I mean you have a unique perspective.

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Speaker 3: I don't, and I got angry through the years. I

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Speaker 3: a book about it. This is not breaking news, but

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Speaker 3: I just I wouldn't do it. He has that right,

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Speaker 3: don't I have this right? Yes? I do, and apparently

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you guys can't even argue. All you say is, oh,

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Speaker 2: And really, what you're talking about, heart, and what you're

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Speaker 2: tvavor every day, and it's different than when I was

433
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Speaker 2: a kid. There wasn't this twenty four hour news or

434
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Speaker 2: sports cycle. You know, when we were young, that didn't exist,

435
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: and now that does exist, and you become you kind

436
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Speaker 2: of feel like these people are part of your family.

437
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: You see them every day, you know, and if you

438
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Speaker 2: look up the journey, their journey is tough to get there,

439
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: and your journey, I'm sure was the same. But you

440
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: started to see things and the idea that you could say,

441
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: you know what, this huge contract that most of us

442
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: would would honestly, you know, the Bible says thou shall

443
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Speaker 2: not covet, but I'm sure most of us would go, Wow,

444
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: what I would do to have that job. You have

445
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: to be very strong to be able to walk away.

446
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: I want to get to the COVID vaccine mandates because I.

447
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Speaker 1: Think that this was actually very.

448
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Speaker 2: Pertinent to what you were talking about on the scene,

449
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Speaker 2: because you've got tennis, where you are seeing tennis players

450
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Speaker 2: that can't go from country to country.

451
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Speaker 1: You have basketball players.

452
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Speaker 2: That are all of a sudden not able to play

453
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Speaker 2: basketball if they don't go in and get the vaccine.

454
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Speaker 2: And there were these elite athletes that were saying, I

455
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Speaker 2: am not putting this in my body because I don't

456
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Speaker 2: know what it is. And it was like, you can't

457
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Speaker 2: say that, that's a no, no.

458
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I was just talking about this with

459
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Speaker 3: a friend of mine is in the NBA as it

460
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Speaker 3: feels like it's coming back.

461
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Speaker 1: Yeah I know.

462
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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, doctor Fauci's out of the

463
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Speaker 3: basement and we're listening to him again and they're talking

464
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Speaker 3: about masks coming back in A couple of colleges and

465
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Speaker 3: universities have put the mandate back out for masks. The

466
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Speaker 3: election cycles right here, it's all on the way, and

467
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Speaker 3: I said, what are you guys going to do this time?

468
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Speaker 3: Because there were only a couple of players. Kyrie Irving's

469
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Speaker 3: the only one that said I'm not doing it and

470
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Speaker 3: was willing to give up his thirty two million dollar

471
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Speaker 3: annual contract for last year for that. At that time,

472
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Speaker 3: it was with the Brooklyn Nets, and that was the

473
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Speaker 3: stance that he took. And people like you are so

474
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Speaker 3: stupid in you're but you know what easy to give

475
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Speaker 3: up thirty two million when you have you know, nine

476
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Speaker 3: figures in the bank. But it's still it's still thirty

477
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Speaker 3: two million, and it's still your reputation and everything else.

478
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Speaker 3: No one else really in the NBA stood up, Aaron

479
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Speaker 3: Rodgers in the NFL stood up. But you know, and

480
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Speaker 3: I've talked to these guys were humanized, completely demonized, And

481
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Speaker 3: that's why I had some great conversations with them, because

482
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Speaker 3: they were demonized at a level ten thousand times more

483
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Speaker 3: than me. But it was just the funny. Here's the thing.

484
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Speaker 3: They weren't alone. I wasn't alone. It's just that our

485
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Speaker 3: peers were afraid, slash unwilling to take the stand. And

486
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Speaker 3: again we are examples of why they don't, I think.

487
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Speaker 3: And that's what I said to my friend in the

488
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Speaker 3: NBA the other day. I said, this is due or

489
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Speaker 3: die time. Like last time, there are whispers and I said, oh,

490
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Speaker 3: I support you. But then what did they do? They

491
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Speaker 3: went along with everything else and said get it, or

492
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Speaker 3: they just wouldn't talk because guess what, it's easier not

493
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Speaker 3: doing and I get that now. Look because so many

494
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Speaker 3: people sat back and accepted it out of fear. I

495
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Speaker 3: mean I did it too. I had to to keep

496
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Speaker 3: my job. And so but now we're right back there

497
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Speaker 3: because not enough people stood up and said something and

498
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Speaker 3: just or refused all together. So if we don't do

499
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Speaker 3: it this time, we're screwed. And obviously it goes well

500
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Speaker 3: beyond it.

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Speaker 2: We still don't have a lot of information about this vaccine.

502
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Speaker 2: I think that there's because we aren't allowed to talk

503
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Speaker 2: about it because it was so demonized for those few

504
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Speaker 2: players who stood up and said, I'm not getting this,

505
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Speaker 2: I'm afraid of it. I don't want to get it.

506
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: And then you hear these stories, and social media is

507
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Speaker 2: scary from the standpoint. You hear these stories of this

508
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: kid passed out, died on the on the basketball court,

509
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Speaker 2: this child on the soccer field, blood clot this heart attack, myocarditis.

510
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Speaker 2: You hear all of these things that we did not

511
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Speaker 2: hear before the COVID vaccine or the COVID virus, and

512
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Speaker 2: we don't have enough information.

513
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Speaker 1: And so that's how fear starts.

514
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Speaker 2: And there are people who use fear to their advantage

515
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Speaker 2: and they decide to manipulate it in one way or another.

516
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Speaker 2: But I think your point is if we talk about

517
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Speaker 2: things openly, there's a lot less fear. But when you

518
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Speaker 2: start to say your banned from speaking about this publicly,

519
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions behind that motivation.

520
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Speaker 3: Yes, how about this? How about and I know you

521
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: saw Tomorrow Hamlin, the Buffalo Bill's player. Yeah, terrible scene

522
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati, and he collapsed and almost died. Apparently did

523
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Speaker 3: die in the field, his heart stopped. How about when

524
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Speaker 3: he came back and he did the interview with Michael Strahan,

525
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Speaker 3: and Michael asked him, you know, would the doctors say

526
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: about why this happened? He was silent, putting answer the question. Now,

527
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: does that mean it was the vaccine? Maybe? Maybe not,

528
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: We don't know. But the point is, and I remember

529
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Speaker 3: talking to producers and other people at work saying, with

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Speaker 3: Deamorrow Hamlin, and we have doctors on we at least

531
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Speaker 3: have to throw it out there, because if we're trying

532
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Speaker 3: to figure out the why. As a mother, I have

533
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Speaker 3: three kids, two in college, one in high school, and

534
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Speaker 3: if that's my child, you're damn right. I'm talking to

535
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Speaker 3: the doctors about every single possibility as to why this

536
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Speaker 3: perfectly healthy, twenty four year old man, a professional athete

537
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Speaker 3: top point zero one percent in the world, probably collapsed

538
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Speaker 3: in that way. We've seen the players get hit a

539
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Speaker 3: million different ways over the last sixty seventy eighty years,

540
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: and we've never seen that. So tell me, all I

541
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: know is that it's okay to ask. And again, if

542
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: I'm his mother, I'm saying, oh my gosh, it's raining today.

543
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: Is that why his heart stopped? Like, I don't care

544
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: how crazy it sounds, you're gonna ask. We weren't allowed

545
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: to ask those questions. What happened with Lebron James's son

546
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: last month? Are you kidding me? Completely on the court,

547
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: that beautiful, healthy child, young man eighteen years old. You're

548
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: not allowed to ask the question that right there raises

549
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: every red flag to me, and this is coming back.

550
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: What are we gonna do this time as a society,

551
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: as mothers, as father's school board mask all these things?

552
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 3: To me, it's now our number.

553
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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

554
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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Everyone has a story that is

555
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: happening close to them. I mean, even at our school,

556
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: we had a student that had a blood clot fifteen

557
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: years old, went to the hospital, they sent the student home,

558
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: said oh, it's probably just a sports injury, and it

559
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: ended up going into the person's lung and.

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Speaker 1: They did not make it at a fifteen year old.

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, I'm like, man, I

562
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: never had that happen when I was a kid. I

563
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: never had it when I was in college. My parents

564
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: never had this happen. We've never heard of these things.

565
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Speaker 1: And now I.

566
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Speaker 2: Feel like way too many people are hearing stories like

567
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Speaker 2: this and we are not allowed to talk about it.

568
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: It is that, you know, even if somebody questions it

569
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: out there on social media, people.

570
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Speaker 1: Are like, don't you dare say that, how could you

571
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: put these people in this position?

572
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think legitimately we're all a little

573
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Speaker 2: bit worried.

574
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Speaker 1: What is this and why is it being pushed on us?

575
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: And why is it being pushed on us again? I

576
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: think it was just this.

577
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Speaker 2: Morning that they on Fox they had someone on from

578
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Speaker 2: Rutgers saying, yeah, we have to be vaccinated at the

579
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Speaker 2: beginning of the year with a booster to come in,

580
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: and it's like, we're still doing this. We're still doing

581
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Speaker 2: this even though a lot of people are wondering exactly

582
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: what does this mean?

583
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Where is all the data?

584
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Speaker 2: Because if there is nothing wrong, we are now, like

585
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: I said, three years past quarantine, where is all the

586
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: data for all of these shots that were given? Because

587
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: I know these companies have it and we haven't seen it.

588
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: If it is so innocent and generic, then put it out.

589
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: There and they refuse, and that right there is all

590
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: that we need to know. I think it's amazing how

591
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: you know the whole narrative of if you get it,

592
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: then you're not going to get COVID, if you get

593
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: the shot, and then you're not going to transmit it either,

594
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: and then the masks, so all of that has been debounded.

595
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 3: We all know now that that wasn't the case. So

596
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: why now? And that was after they told us that

597
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: and promised us that. So now, why would you trust?

598
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: My dad growing up used to talk about our track record.

599
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: You know, listen, you had a track record and you

600
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: lied to me yesterday about this, So how can I

601
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: trust you today? And you got to build that back

602
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: up again? And it takes a while to rebuild that

603
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: trust for something as philly as did you go in

604
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: your bedroom? Right? This happens to be a little bit

605
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: more important. The track record right now is terrible, and

606
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: they are hiding the data, and that is where for me. Listen,

607
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: I'm already out there, I'm already talking. I'm already you know.

608
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: But I just want to implore others that not to

609
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: just because you ask the questions doesn't mean you're an

610
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: anti vaxtent.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that's exactly right. That's the thing that I

612
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: think we find so frustrating. It's like, why am I

613
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: not allowed to even ask?

614
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it, and

615
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: I know that the most comforting thing. One of the

616
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: reasons why I'm still standing right now is because I

617
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: got when I first got suspended and to apologize and

618
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Speaker 3: was taken off the air and all other drama, I

619
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Speaker 3: got so many emails and dms from people across the

620
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: world because when it involves a bigger company, and you know,

621
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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, people outside of the US

622
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: were hearing about it too, and people who were telling

623
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Speaker 3: me there's stories and we're like, please please don't stop.

624
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: I can't stop working. I had to do this. I'm

625
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: so scared. Pray for me and my family, like and

626
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: I was sobbing reading this stuff, realizing that little old me,

627
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: this little girl who just had this dream to talk

628
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: about sports and tell the stories of incredible athletes and

629
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Speaker 3: overcoming adversity and real sports friends people together. You know,

630
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: that is all my dream was. And now they're saying,

631
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: telling me, please don't stop. I had to continue this,

632
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: like what an honor. I guess that it's that this happened.

633
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: This I do believe is a blessing because now and

634
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: it sounds so cliche if one person could, but it

635
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: is true. And I have three kids who are watching,

636
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: not just what I say and do, but how I

637
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: say and do it. And if I preach to them,

638
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: especially my young my daughters they're twenty one and seventeen,

639
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: and my son's nineteen. And if I'm preaching to them

640
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: to stand tall and stand strong and it's okay to

641
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: be you. We say, it's okay for everybody else to

642
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: be themselves, but what not this to be you and

643
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: to be different and to be strong. And I don't

644
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: do it, then I'm a hypocrite. And as their mother,

645
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: I felt I had no choice.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, I'm amazed by you.

647
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: I think you're incredible I second the thought of don't stop,

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Speaker 2: keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful you came on here to tell your story.

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Speaker 2: Because I honestly think that the more you talk about it,

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Speaker 2: the more people you have behind you saying keep going,

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Speaker 2: keep going, We want to see more of you.

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Speaker 1: And I am. I'm so grateful you came on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you Tutor for having me and for

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Speaker 3: reminding me about the possibility of fear being the guiding

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Speaker 3: force between some of the hate. And so that does

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Speaker 3: mean we need to lead with empathy even when the

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Speaker 3: hate comes at us, and kindness, and I promise you

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Speaker 3: I'm going to try to do that. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much. I'm watching you.

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Speaker 2: I know others are going to be watching you and

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Speaker 2: waiting to hear what's next. We're so excited. Everybody. Make

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Speaker 2: sure you check out Saigde. She's out there on social

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Speaker 2: media and she is doing great, great work. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, and thank you all for joining us on

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As always, for this episode and others,

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Speaker 2: or head over to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time

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Speaker 2: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Have a blessing,