1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steth. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: I've never told to reproduction of I Heart Radio's How 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: Stuff Works. Today we're talking about band girls and girls. Yes, 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: actually really excited to talk about this. Forever ago we 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: did a video on fan girls and I have been 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: meaning to return to it ever since. And the timing 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: feels right because as you record this, Disney plus let's 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: just come out, and Frozen two is coming out next week. 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: My phone has already been bombarded with advice articles on 10 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: how to avoid getting earwormed with the new song, even 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: though same phone is the one that keeps playing that 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: song in Google Shuffle. This is why I don't listen 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: to Google Shuffle. It's giving me mixed messages, is it? 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: I think it has one message, which is pretty much 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: listening and go watch obsessed Bye bye bye. Right um, 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: and it's got me thinking all of this, how we 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: talk about fan girls and how we talk about the 18 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: things that they like. Uh yeah, and I also I 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: recently went to Disney and seeing all the little girls 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: in costumes. I have a particular soft spot for Ray 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: from Star Wars. Seeing girls in those costumes. Another Cube costume, Yeah, 22 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: that's good. Were you a fan girl of anything, Samantha, Um, 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: I actually fan girls over a few young boys in 24 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: my time. Jonathan Brandon's was my heart Throb r I 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: p UM when I was younger. But then I would 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: also get really obsessed with like Buffy and Saved by 27 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: the Bell, which I would watch religiously. Um. I could 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: probably still tell you all about all the episodes for 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: each one of those things. Um. And of course I 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: was really obsessed with like different music groups and new 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: kids on the block, with people about who was better 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: was a Joey girl okay? Um? In Sync. I'll actually 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: fought with my sister about who's better in sinker Backstreet 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: Boys and um. And I also had a really big yeah, 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: I love for boys the men because I just wanted 36 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: them to croon to me about how they loved me. 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: Oh that's that's great that you said that, because they're 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: going to be returning to that kind of idea very 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: end of the episode. So something to look forward to. 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: But what about you know, I know you've got a lot, 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: but give me a rundown. I was fan girling all 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: in all kinds of things. I was huge into Mary 43 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: Kay Nashley Young Herchilees Charmed Supernatural. Green Day is probably 44 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: my greatest example of if you were going to do 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: a classic, this is a fangirl. I would check all 46 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: the boxes for Great Day and that was probably the 47 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: big one. Harry Potter and Star Wars um and I 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: get star Gate one. Yeah. I also had and have 49 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: some fan girl tendencies around about a hundred other things 50 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: these days. But I suppose we should step back a 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: bit and define fangirl from dictionary dot com. Fangirl is 52 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: a female fan, especially one who is obsessive about comics, movies, music, 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: or science fiction. The Miriam Webster definition is a bit different. 54 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: A girl or woman who is an extremely, are overly 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: enthusiastic fan of someone or something. An extension of fan 56 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: girls is fan girling, which is basically the verb form um. 57 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: And then we have this from Urban Dictionary, the art 58 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: of obsessing over fandoms, the characters in the fandoms, the 59 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: actors who play the character. If the fandom is a 60 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: film or show, et cetera, just saying something to do 61 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: with a fan girl fandom will usually lead them to 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: frantically crashing into the room you're in, making high pitched 63 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: sounds that to you might sound meaningless, but to other 64 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: fan girls will make total science. Example. Wait, wait, do 65 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: you want to do this as a back and forth? 66 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: You want to? Okay, I'll be the I'll be the person. Okay. 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: So this is the example that Urban Dictionary gave, so 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: me Dean Winchester. Oh god, oh my god, Acholes said 69 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: the name baby up fangirling again. Uh and then she 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: passes up clap by the way. I have to I 71 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: have to ask, was it was the actual example supernatural? Yes, 72 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: that's hilarious because it is does fit right because I 73 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: feel like I've gotten into supernatural because of you was 74 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: a girl. Yeah, yeah, I bet you were. I bet 75 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: you were. So the sexiest Man Alive was announced from 76 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: People magazine and it's John Legend, who can also sing 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: to me all day long. Um. And there were several 78 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: several people who were really upset and because they wanted 79 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: they thought other people were better, because the people always 80 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: have opinions, and one of the names that kept coming 81 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: up us Dean Winchester or Jinson Knackles. So he's been 82 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: thrown out as being should have been the speciest man alive. 83 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: He's a finelooking spesstment. And you know, the thing we're 84 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: going to talk about this too is a lot of 85 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: the reason if that dictionary Urban Dictionary definition wasn't clear 86 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: that we dismiss things fangirls like is because we assume 87 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: it's very superficial. Um, and I would counter, you can 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: appreciate some good looks and other things. You know, you 89 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: love someone who just you know, a somber and brooding 90 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: I do specifically, like I was saying that for myself, 91 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: but that is definitely the character of Dean Winchester. Yeah. Anyway, 92 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: this's got turned into a whole fangirl thing right now. Um, 93 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: there is another Urban Dictionary definition I want to include, 94 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 1: which is the reaction of fangirl has to any mention 95 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: or citing of the object of her affection. These reactions 96 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: include shortness of breath, fainting, high pitched noises, shaking, fears, 97 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: head shaking as if in the midst of a seizure, 98 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: wet panties, endless blog post, et cetera. Well, this is 99 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: actually indicative of something we want to dig into into 100 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: this episode, the condescending attitude we have towards fangirls and 101 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: the things that they love. The stereotypical rendering of a 102 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: fangirl involves a teenage girl, high pitched screaming, and obsessive behavior. Right. 103 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: The word fan girl was first used as a noun 104 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: with its current meaning in nineteen thirty four. It was 105 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: first used as a verb and two thousand five teeny 106 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: boppers was coined in the nineteen sixties with the definition 107 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: of quote an early adolescent girl, but with a connotation 108 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: of animalistic tendencies similar to the modern fangirl definition UM 109 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and side note, One thing I personally love about fangirls 110 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: is the language UM they've created to communicate. I could 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: devote an entire episode to the acronyms eye trafficked on 112 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: in on fan ficsion dot net. UM. It's creative and 113 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: so specific to things we all know, like ust unresolved 114 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: sexual tension. UM. Also, I discovered standom Sebastian stands fandom, 115 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: which explains some questions I've gotten when addressed as the 116 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Winter Soldiers. You just look good as the Winter Soldier anyway, Obviously, 117 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: that's all I wanted out that you're fishing off well. 118 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Fanboy is the male version of fan girl, not surprising, 119 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: and if you're curious. The Dictionary definition of a fan 120 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: is a person who was a strong interest in or 121 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: admiration for a particular person or a thing. The thing 122 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: that then separates the fan from the fan girl is 123 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: the girl and the view that fan girls are extreme, 124 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: that they're out there rapidly devouring all the interviews, collecting 125 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: rare photos, writing blog post and that their phantom consumes 126 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: their identity. Yeah, and rabbid is a word that comes 127 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: up a lot when you're talking about fan girls. If 128 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: you go online and find um any x y Z 129 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: signs your fan girl, most of them are not complimentary. Um, 130 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: some of them are, but most of them are not. 131 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: So we have a lot to to dig into here. 132 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: But first we have a quick break for from our 133 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back, Thank you sponsor. So if you 134 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: look at our history, throughout our history, there have been 135 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: infamous examples of fan girls. Perhaps the most well known 136 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: is Beatlemania. More modernly, we have things like Justin Bieber 137 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the Believers um bts one direction, which, like we mentioned 138 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: in our fan fiction episodes, because there was a part 139 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: one and two um and that those are great primers 140 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: for this one one direction. Fan fiction makes up most 141 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: of the fan fiction on the app what pad really Yep, huh, 142 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: I will say fandoms they're powerful. Oh yeah, just as 143 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: we're learning, like, there's a whole controversy with Taylor Swift 144 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: and it and she's reached out to her fan group 145 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: and it's giant and is getting a lot of traction. Yeah. 146 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: So from a nineteen six New Yorker article, most of 147 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: his fans are playing lonely girls from lower middle class homes. 148 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: They are dazzled by the life Sinatural leads and wish 149 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: they could share it. In it, they insist that they 150 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: love him, but they do not use the verb in 151 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: its ordinary sense. As they apply it to him. It 152 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: is synonymous with worship or idealize. Yeah, so that was 153 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: a whole This was sort of before Sinatra got big, 154 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: I believe, but that was written and it was like, 155 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: look at these deities, right, so right, And I think 156 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: that was part of the reason he wasn't taken seriously 157 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: because they just assumed as an actor. He wasn't taken 158 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: seriously as an actor because he was like, Oh, you're 159 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,599 Speaker 1: just performing for the ladies, right, And we're going to 160 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: talk about that more in depth later. Fan girls actually 161 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: get a lot of credit though for cementing the careers 162 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: of what are now with distance and mail, legitimizing critically 163 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: a to musicians or I guess they don't get the credit, 164 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: but they should um. Their dedication and willingness to spend 165 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: money and spread the word was the basis for artists 166 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: to continue making music. Or you can even think of 167 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: actors like James Dean, Leonardo DiCaprio, which was the reason 168 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: I still haven't seen Titan because because I was so 169 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: afraid of being called like a fan girl. Um, and 170 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. Also a bit or Michael J. 171 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: Fox who actually allegedly changed his middle initial from A 172 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: so that magazines would quit calling him a Fox. Interesting, 173 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: you know it's also fandoms. This is not necessarily fan 174 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: girls have brought back canceled shows. Yeah, so they have done. 175 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: These groups are powerful once again. Ye oh yeah. Um. 176 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: And something else we did want to touch on here 177 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: we mentioned in our fan fiction episodes as well as 178 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: a book by Rainbow Rawl fan Girl. This story falls Calf, 179 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: who was a fan girl of Simon Snow, which is 180 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: a Harry Potter analog. She spends a lot of her 181 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: time writing Simon snow fan fiction, a fan fiction that 182 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: is peppered throughout the book, and there's a sequel that 183 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: is the complete fan fiction and it's called carry On. 184 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: I have both of these. I'm working on the first 185 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: one right now, really enjoying it. Okay um. Recently, the 186 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: Belvoir and Brisbane Festival, co production and association with the 187 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: Australian Theater for Young People, put out a play called 188 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: Fan Girls. Eve Blake wrote the book, music and lyrics, 189 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: and Page Rotre directed it. Um. Eve Blake got the 190 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 1: idea for the play after meeting a thirteen year old 191 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: girl who told her, in absolute seriousness she was going 192 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: to marry Harry Styles, and Blake laughed, and this led 193 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: her to examine that reaction in delvinto every aspect of 194 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: fandom and fan girls. She later said, all my assumptions 195 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: about fan girls were built on society wide prejudices towards 196 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: young women when they express passion. And what I realized 197 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: is that the world looks very differently at a group 198 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: of young boys screaming their lungs at a football match, 199 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: then it does add a group of young fan girls 200 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: screaming their lungs out at a Beeper concert so obviously 201 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: she's not alone in her assumption. Fan Girls is always 202 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: a negative term. As a fandom has become more mainstream, 203 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: so too has a backlash against fan girls. When Peter 204 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: Kappadelli was announced as a new doctor, the internet was 205 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: full of delighted comments about how this would finally with 206 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: the fandom of the fan girls. The hashtag we hate 207 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: fan girls started trending. Yeah, and for those if you 208 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: don't know the doctor being doctor who and so in 209 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: that in that kind of mythos, the doctor regenerates and 210 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: it's a way for the story to continue, but also 211 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: for the production to casting new actor, right, and so 212 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: the actor previous to this one, Matt Smith was young 213 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: and I'm attractive and a lot of was now on 214 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: the crown or was on the y. Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, 215 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: there was kind of this backlash against what was seen 216 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: as so superficial fan girls who were just fans because 217 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: they thought he was attractive. And yeah, and that has 218 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: lasted so long. Oh yeah, show BBCIT usually doesn't keep 219 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: a show. Well, you know the interesting thing about that, 220 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: Like we talked about in our fan fiction episode this 221 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, I think it was one of the 222 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: original like when we talked talked about fan fiction. It 223 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: was one of the kind of first waves of UH 224 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: official I guess fan fan club, fan organizations, and magazines 225 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: and here it is to this day. Star Trek was 226 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: the other one still also still um from Pamela Voi sick, 227 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: the cultural lives of Doctor Who, Doctor Who's fandom, or papor. 228 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: The dismissal of fan girls is familiar to those of 229 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: us who study pop culture as a stereotypical denigration of 230 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: feminized mass culture and opposition to masculine quote art. It 231 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: assumes that female fans are an add on rivative and 232 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: lesser than male fandom, which is assumed to be motivated 233 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: by more serious interest the vagaries of time travel versus 234 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: the appeal of TV stars. Yeah, and something personally I 235 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: was thinking about this. I remember my brother and his 236 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: friends making fun of my love of Star Wars, which 237 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: they also loved, UH and making me feel like not 238 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: only was I not welcome UM and that this was 239 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: something I was going to have to keep to myself, 240 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: that something was wrong with me, that I should be 241 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: embarrassed about it. UM. And I it got to the 242 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: point that not I kind of hid my fandom, and 243 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I went to my mom about it and asked her 244 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: if something was wrong with me? Um, And then yeah, 245 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: I avoided things I associated with fan girls, like boy 246 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: bands and Titanic. Right, I never saw it because all 247 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: my friends thought Leonardo DiCaprio was hot, and I was like, 248 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to be any part of it. I 249 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: didn't le I was a heart fandom that just win 250 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: against the grain about who I was a fan of. 251 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: So did you like in Titanic? Oh? I didn't like anyone? Okay? Yeah? Yeah, No, 252 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't likely I was scrawny. Okay, 253 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, I don't like the scrawny ones. Um. So 254 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: several boy bands were formed specifically with targeting straight fan 255 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: girls in mind, which is actually something that happened with 256 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: both Backstreet Boys and in SINC. The manager Louke Pearlman 257 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: made a lot of money and then had a lot 258 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: of legal battles with that as well, because he created 259 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: these bands and knowing that he could monetize off of 260 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: fan girls, and damn it, he surely did. He did 261 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: until in Sinc. Fought fought him and got the rice back. Yeah, 262 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: which is smart. Yeah, And yeah, there is a lot 263 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: going on here and involves several things we've talked about 264 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: in past episodes. One of them is gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is 265 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: typically done by men who feel entitled to dictate the 266 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: right way to be a fan and who is allowed 267 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: to be in the club. These right ways to be 268 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: a fan are typically quoted as male fantish activities that 269 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: are typically coded as feminine, like cosplay or making costumes. 270 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: Fan fiction fan art are derioted and seen as quote 271 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: not true or acceptable fandom. And think of how comfortable 272 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: we feel making fun of and demeaning things associated with 273 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: fangirls like Twilight. I like Twilight. It was a very 274 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: easy read. I you know what, I've come around to 275 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: doing the research for this. Fan girls are onto something. 276 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: Maybe what they're onto is it a great piece of art, 277 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: But they're on there's a reason why it's popular. They're 278 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: not a lot of sexual frustration the USC No no, 279 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: no no. But we are going to talk about some 280 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: of that later. Um. Some creators recently have come out 281 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: and said, hey, stop policing my fandom, because fan girl 282 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: money is just as good as your bro money. Right again, though, 283 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: men have capitalized on fangirls, as we talked about Lou 284 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: parlman Um. They are created in knowing that they can 285 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: make a lot of money, including Barbie dolls or you know, 286 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: or Kindle whatever dolls in synct dolls. You've got InSync dolls, 287 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: don't you. I don't. That's the one thing I never Well, 288 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: I didn't buy anything much. I didn't even go to 289 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: the concerts either. Really they were never. I'm sure they were. 290 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: I remember I had a friend who went to Backstreet 291 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: Boys concert elementary school or something, and she, I mean, 292 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: I feel so happy for just thinking about it, because 293 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: she was so exciting static, I'll see them. I definitely 294 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: watched everything on TV. Whenever they would come on, I 295 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: would record it or whatever. Anyway, So women also distanced 296 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: themselves from fan girls and maybe to avoid being made 297 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: fun of as you were talking about, or to be 298 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: deemed legitimate, maybe because of the whole girl which implies immaturity, 299 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: which is very demeaning and manipulative. Yeah uh. And you 300 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: can also see our Toxic Fandom episode for more on 301 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: gate keeping and how the history of being a nerd 302 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: and the hierarchies and expertise that came with it led 303 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: to this misogynistic gate keeping. In that episode, we also 304 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: went into the fake geek girl, which is different but 305 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: related to fan girls. UM. Fake geek girl is something 306 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: is someone who is just a faker and knows nothing 307 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: about any given fandom that she is pretending to like. 308 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: Um in the mind of dude geeks. Anyway, she she 309 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: really isn't fake. Eat Girl's a thing. And something else 310 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: that's happening is the dismissal and demonizing of things women 311 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: and girls like, and specifically things young women like. It 312 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: goes beyond the message of you don't belong, you're not 313 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: doing it right, but to outright mocking and disgust and 314 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: their Internet spaces fangirls have carved out and created for 315 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: themselves that are havens for them to express themselves, but 316 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: by large these spaces are far and few between. Wrapped 317 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: Up in this is the weaponized word hysteria, which is 318 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: come on, y'all, frequently leveled at fangirls, along with others 319 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: like emotional which apparently is a weak thing, um, and 320 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: things we don't see when it comes to fan boys. Yeah, 321 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: and we've talked before about bronies on the show and 322 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: how when a man, when men enter a fandom, that 323 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: has classically been derided as feminine. UM, which is terrible, 324 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: but it's just seemed as this like silly thing women like, Um, 325 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: that fandom is legitimized. Something similar happened with the Beatles. Um. 326 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: When it was women who were the fans, they were 327 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: viewed as hysterical and the Beatles themselves not worth the time. 328 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: Then dudes were like, wait, this is good stuff. And 329 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: then the fandom is legitimized if they're making great music 330 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: that we still listen to to this day. Um. And 331 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: of course sports fandom, which has similar levels of fan 332 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: expression but as coded as masculine and therefore okay, well yeah, 333 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: that means you can wear the jerseys now them fantasy 334 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: football and say things like I'm not gay but yeah, 335 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: which is which is yeah? And if sports are your thing, 336 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: totally cool, love it general. But we shouldn't be judging 337 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: other fandoms because they're feminine on different standards, and you 338 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: know they did. That's the gate keeping too, that their 339 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: expectations as of women are not should not like sports 340 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: as much as they do. Yes, And we had several 341 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: listeners right in about that when we did our actually 342 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: our fan fiction episode about how it was just assumed 343 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: they were there because their husband's significant other whoever dragged 344 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: them there, or they were attracted to one of them, right, 345 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: And I know the whole social media stuff. People are 346 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: making fun of the girls who are doing selfies, saying 347 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: that's the onies and they're they're there is to take 348 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: selfish and it's like, what if they're just enjoying their time? 349 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: If fun, let them beat them, Let them beat them. 350 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: And we have some some more some more stuff about 351 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: fan girls for you, but first we have one more 352 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: quick break for word from our sponsor and we're back, 353 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor. Pop Culture experts have examined fan girldom 354 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: for just about as long as it has existed and 355 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: why our culture has such anxiety around it. And one 356 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: thing experts believe is a part of this is um 357 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: how girls go through adolescence and are feeling sexual desires 358 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: expressing that via celebrity or fictional character, that that's something 359 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: that is safe right now in our society. Girls grew 360 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: up with the message that their existence in life is 361 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: wrapped in finding a husband. The hotter and richer, the better. 362 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: Luckily this is changing. Um celebrities check those boxes and 363 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: despite our the leaves that will one day meet the 364 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: object of our affection we haven't, which gives us artistic 365 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: license to imagine how great our lives will be without 366 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: the reality of what it would really be like. And 367 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: the lyrics like you're saying earlier they tell. These lyrics 368 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: are telling young women and girls, I'm gonna love you 369 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: forever no matter what you were perfect, you're beautiful, you 370 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: don't need to change a damn thing, and who would 371 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: yes to be seen all of a sudden um, and 372 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: we've said it before, we'll say it again. We are 373 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: terrified a female sexuality, particularly young women's sexuality. A lot 374 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: of geeky white dudes criticize fan girls for being only 375 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: interested in hot lead actors, and this is not true. 376 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: Fandom when look at at the Phantom of One Direction, 377 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: is generally assumed that all their fans are fan girls, 378 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: So therefore, liking One Direction automatically means you are only 379 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: there for their looks, You aren't very intelligent, and everything 380 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: you like a suspect that your thoughts and opinions are 381 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: valid and that not like in One Direction makes the 382 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: parson better. Ah. Yeah, this is gross and sexist. The 383 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: fact that women and especially young woman likes something does 384 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: not give people the right to put all these assumptions 385 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: on them, and even on news coverage reflects our derision. 386 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: When One Direction broke up, a lot of news coverage 387 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: outright really killed the fans and their distress. But one 388 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: of their favorite fans broke up. That really sucks it. 389 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: Does I hate it when the show gets canceled? Yeah, 390 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: it makes me really sad. Yeah. Harry Styles has been 391 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: asked whether he believes that One Direction is largely female 392 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: fan base has held him back from being seen as 393 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: a serious musician kind of like what you mentioned earlier. 394 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Um His response, who's to say that young girls who 395 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: like pop music short for popular right have worse musical 396 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: taste than a thirty year old hipster guy. That's not 397 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: up to you to say. Music is something that's always changing, 398 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: there's no goal post. Young girls like the Beatles. You're 399 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: gonna tell me they're not serious. How can you say 400 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: eight young girls don't get it? There are future our 401 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: future doctors, lawyers, mother's presidents. They kind of keep the 402 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: world going. Teenage girl fans. They don't lie. If they 403 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: like you, they're there. They don't act too cool. They 404 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: like you and they tell you which is sick meaning 405 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: in a good way. Yeah. Um. And from a Rolling 406 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: Stone article about Harry Styles, Uh, there was this quote 407 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: he knows he serves at the pleasure of a girl 408 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: audience that absolutely cannot be bought, scammed, condescended to, or 409 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: taken for granted. It's been tried. If you're a girl 410 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: pop fan, you are the only power player in the 411 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: music business. Everybody else is scared stiff of you. It's true. 412 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: I've also read arguments that fan girl is a de 413 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: sexualized form of groupie. That makes sense, yeah, because we're 414 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: so afraid of women's sexual agency. In this dichotomy, women 415 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: are either superficial, unintelligent fans in the derogatory understanding what 416 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: a fan girl is, or a woman who is only 417 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: in a fandom to ultimately have sex. Both dismissed that 418 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: women might actually like the music or whatever it is 419 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: that they're fanning over, like we have to sexualize them 420 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: in order to validate why they might like something, and 421 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: all this language and derision around fan girls sort of 422 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: creates a cage for women were the only acceptable way 423 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: to express their motions around something they love is very 424 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: measured and we can also see this judgment around how 425 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: young women speak. Yeah, because if you think about the 426 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: all of the articles around up talk or vocal fry, 427 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: um yeah yeah, yeah, A part of it two feels 428 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: like an acceptable way to express sexist thoughts pointing at 429 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: something we so far have allowed and supported, making fun 430 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: of and taking pleasure, and young women crash against the 431 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: patriarchy and fail. It kind of weirs me out the 432 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: more I think about how comfortable we are, which is 433 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: being like, look, how stupid and silly these young girls 434 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: are because they like this thing so unnecessary? Why I 435 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: take the joy from someone? Yeah? Come on, Um, Adolescence 436 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: is a messy time for I would say all of us, 437 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: with the most of us, a time when we're trying 438 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: to figure out who we are, all these pieces of 439 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: our identity, just trying to stay alive. Fandom is a 440 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: way of finding a tribe, and pieces of fandom are 441 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: ways to find parts of yourself to figure out what 442 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: you want, which can change with age. Um, it's a 443 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: tool to learn about yourself. I said the fan fiction episode, 444 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: I learned all about sex right from band fiction and 445 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: what I liked and what I did it. Um one 446 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: Steady conducted on young adult fan culture concluded idolization of 447 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: pop stars has unique characteristics for adolescence. It provides a 448 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: basis for self expression, the construction of self identity, and 449 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: the achievement of independence. Um and yeah, this is also 450 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: a time when, um, you are going through your budding 451 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: sexuality and sexual desires and you're feeling these things. I mean, 452 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: it just kind of makes sense, right Lance Bass figured 453 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: out he was gay or actually came out after instinct, 454 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: but was told not to come out because that would 455 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: ruin the fan fandom. Oh, I pretending to like girls, 456 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: which happens a lot. But yeah, I think it's definitely 457 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: a time that people start figuring out people girls, anyone 458 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: who is a fan, start figuring out your sexuality. You 459 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: were talking about previously about X files, ahalyzing, you're very 460 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: trying to do both of them, and that says a 461 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: lot for sure. Yeah, And I was also thinking about 462 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: how since the message we get, or at least I 463 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: can say personally that I got, was that you need 464 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: to get married and it's gonna be the greatest, best 465 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: thing of your whole life, then you're going to fantasize 466 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: about finding that right person. We've been conditioned to believe 467 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: true love is the ultimate thing, right, And so here's 468 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: this for me. It was Ryan Gosling and he was 469 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: the and I told my mom I would marry and 470 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: bless her heart. She did not laugh at me. Uh 471 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: I told people that would be going to marry anyone 472 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: in the specifics. I don't think I did. M hmmm, 473 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: I really yeah, I felt it. And um, I do 474 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: want to say, of course, there are unhealthy expressions of 475 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: fandom in all aspects of fandom, including fan girls and 476 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: fan girl communities. Fan girls can and definitely do engage 477 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: in their own form of gate keeping, like flaming, which 478 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: is the way to shut up voices they don't like, 479 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: especially devastating when an entire fan club turns on you. 480 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: I had an experience, a very tiny experience with Ariana 481 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Grandes fan club and uh no, thank you. It was terrible. 482 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: I apologize. I'm sorry. Um, I'm a little afraid of 483 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: the bay Hives as well as the Swifties, but like, 484 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: I enjoyed both these artists. So I have nothing to say. 485 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're fear Yeah. Well, like you've been saying, 486 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: they're powerful. Powerful. Um. One thing that does differentiate fan girls, though, 487 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: is the stream obsessive qualities of it or um troubling beliefs. 488 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: A lot of these things can be phases, right, Like 489 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: adolescents is a phase. That's not to diminish fan girls 490 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: or what they like at all, or to say that 491 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: everything that fangirls like is a phase, but there are 492 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: parts of it that can be and it's like totally 493 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: natural and health you, right. And that being said, fan 494 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: labor is often replaced with derogatory whereas like stalking or 495 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: creepy when it comes to fangirls. But fan labor is 496 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: just a part of fandom finding out all the details, 497 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: just dissecting them, memorizing them, and adding this intelligence to 498 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: the fan community. That's the same level of knowledge among 499 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: male fans or sports fans, which is not looked upon 500 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: as negative as soon as expertise. Rock music critic Jessica 501 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: Hopper tweeted a while back, replace the world fan girl 502 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 1: with expert and see what happens. And psychologists do caution 503 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: about celebrity and unrealistic body image standards that girls may 504 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: internalize and manifest as an eating disorder. We've talked about 505 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: that previously, and that is definitely something that we have 506 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: to be careful of. Yeah, and that that's something that 507 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: when I was researching this, UM, this article came up 508 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: of pretty much reassuring parents, Yes, you're fan girl, your daughter, 509 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: she might it's fine, she might be obsessed, but here 510 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: are the things you should actually be looking for, right, 511 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: And a lot of the things were, yeah, body image standards, 512 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: if the celebrity in question drinks a lot or smokes, um, 513 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: or if there's an underlying issue like depression, um that 514 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: has sort of become wrapped up in the fandom or 515 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: whatever it is. But it's not the fandom or expressing 516 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: the love for that. It's a different thing, right right right, 517 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: um And yeah, I just last night was amazed at UM. 518 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: Green Day was my I think most best example of 519 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: all of this, And somebody asked me a random tribute 520 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: question and damn it ified. I still don't have it 521 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: rally around you do? You learn all of these things, 522 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: do and you contribute and collaborate UMTV shows like I'll 523 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: go back and look at there i am dB stuff 524 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: and just saying like who's with what and where they're from? Yeah, 525 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: this is what that was. Oh and they were born 526 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: in this time. That's cute. Yeah yeah. Um So in conclusion, 527 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: I suppose the thing is there are different levels of fandom, um, 528 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: and you get to decide what kind of fan that 529 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: you are. No one else can slap a label on 530 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: you as much as they're going to try. Fandom is 531 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: a diverse space, and by policing it, we're not allowing 532 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: it to grow and be as robust and creative and 533 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: welcoming as it can and should be. Fangirls are not 534 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: a monelist. We come in a variety of ages. Some 535 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: of us are there for the hot celebrity, others or not. 536 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: It might be a comp of both, or it might 537 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: differ depending on the fandom, right, I will say the 538 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: whole different ages. It's harder to be a fan girl 539 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: when all of the new stuff has really young kids 540 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: in there, and I'm like, oh dirty, Yeah that's something else. 541 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: That's a different topic. Um. So yeah, I really left 542 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: this feeling I warmth in my heart for the fan girl. 543 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: Um and I still am in many ways a fan girl. 544 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: But just again, don't I respect the fan girl because 545 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: they're onto something. They are experts, and they're making you money, 546 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: yes or someone not me, I don't know, but I mean, 547 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: any fan girls of this show. I want to write 548 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: in somebody who wrote a fan fiction with me in 549 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: it once and it was the best day of my 550 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: entire life. I want. I don't actually because I'm scared 551 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: of what what that would be. You can never know 552 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: how I will go. Um. If you want to hear 553 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: me fan girling about one of my favorite movies, you 554 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: can go check out the episode I did on the 555 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: podcast movie crush Um with her friend Chuck Um. And 556 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: I did it on Spider Man Into the Spider Verse, 557 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: which Samantha knows my favorite. The love that you have 558 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: for that movie, I left it might just my face 559 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: hurt from smiling so much. I love that movie. Um. 560 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: And also I want to fan girls. Ya. Fangirl Annie 561 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: was in an amazing movie that we've already talked about 562 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: previously and she was fantastic in it and our friend Paul, 563 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: who directed and wrote it with her, did an amazing job. 564 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: Annie in the City, which is out now on Amazon. Yeah. 565 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: So if you have Amazon Prime you can watch it 566 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: for free. Yes. So, uh, as a fan girl of 567 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: Annie in the City, you definitely should check it out. Yes, 568 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. Yeah, And if you're looking for further reading. 569 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: Other than fan Girls, which we already mentioned, you can 570 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: check out fan Girls Scenes from Modern Music Culture by 571 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: Ewan's um. If you're a fan girl of something and 572 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: want to share some fan art, fan fiction, whatever, please 573 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: do makes me a puppet one day one day and 574 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: we had a puppet. Um. And while we're talking about 575 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: fan girls, want to shout out to a couple of 576 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: podcasts on the topic fan girls, and one is fan 577 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: Girl Happy Hour hosted by Renee and Anna, who talked 578 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: about all the different things, including the movie The Craft, 579 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: which I think we still need to do um and 580 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: throwing things like robot sex. So their episodes are really fun. 581 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: And then there is the Nerdy Watch with Reese your 582 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: last name doing some great things. But the best of 583 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: what I would be listening to on her show is 584 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: all of the Saved by the Bell episodes, which he 585 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: does and she does a great job and I enjoyed 586 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: it very much. So nicely done, Race, nicely done um. 587 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: And also I'm gonna shout out to my girl, Jamie Summers. 588 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: That's her name on the Twitter's her candle. As at 589 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: dark Toka, she was able to find some amazing muppet 590 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: baby toys that we mentioned about the puppet episodes and 591 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: even mentioned where I forgot about that they appear in 592 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: the Muppets Take Manhattan. How could you forget? I know, 593 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: I know, so I really what kind of fair girls? 594 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: It's been a long time, Like, the fact that it's 595 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: back was surprising, So I love that it's back. I 596 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: am starting to get that you might be a secret 597 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: fan girl. I just gotta own it, Smantha. Look, I 598 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: didn't watch many cartoons, but for some reason, that was 599 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: the one. And it was cartoons at that point, it 600 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: wasn't Muppets, uh, and that was one of the ones 601 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: that I just had loved. Well, it looks like I 602 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: should check it out. Maybe I will. Maybe I need 603 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: a new thing. 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