1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: When you play the game, coming into the stadium and 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: you getting ready to play, there's an anxiety that you 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: feel because you're like, man, I got to perform. You 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: You prepared all week for this moment, that game day, 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: and it's hard to get that out of and what 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: we call the real world so to speak. 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: But now being. 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Back in the broadcast moo for calling games, I get 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: excited and get the anxiety a little bit about being 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: there calling these games. 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: And the bigger the game, the more quieting. 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: I really don't want to talk before the game. I 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: have to do my pregame interview, interview responsibility. 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: I'm just like, I don't want to talk. 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: I'm focused on the game. So I love that aspect 16 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: of it. 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Then when you when you when the game goes and 18 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: the Florida game, and depending on how it is, the 19 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: obviously the bigger the games and the the competitive the 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: more competitive they are, that that that drives. 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: The next podcast is presented by Landsdown Resort. From kick 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: OFFF to Chi, Can You Score, Game, Change and get 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 4: Away in the heart of Loundes. Landsdown Resort, proud partner 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 4: of the Washington Commanders Command this family for our next 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: man that we have a legend that you are very 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 4: very familiar with, one of the best, if not the best, 27 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 4: to ever do it. In the Burgundy and Gold head 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 4: line back of the Captain Big Fletch Lendon Fletcher in 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: the building was good brother. 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: Oh man, I appreciate you having me on. Of course 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: time I was over here, you trying to make me cry, man. 32 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 3: We ain't on no time like that. 33 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: Man. 34 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes I just got to ask questions to learn things. 35 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: You've had a very interesting vantage point all season long 36 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: because you're up in that booth. 37 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: You're the voice of the commanders. 38 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 4: Man, You're the soundtrack to every moment we have, which 39 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 4: has been kind of crazy. 40 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: Man. 41 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 3: What's that like for you? 42 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a dream job, man, you know, 43 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: being being able to be on a radio broadcast team 44 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: with Brian Weinstein, the play by play guy. He's considered 45 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: the voice of the Okay, okay, but you know myself 46 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: being in there as an analysts and then logo on 47 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: the sideline. I think we got a great team. We 48 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: do a phenomenal job, but we have fun. The thing 49 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: is we're emotional. We live and die with the outcome 50 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: of this game. Those games last year was phenomenal. This 51 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: year not so much so it was it was tough, 52 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: but still just to be able to be in a 53 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: position to do this job. 54 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: I love it. 55 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: Did you ever see yourself doing this? 56 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 4: Like back when you're playing days even before that, did 57 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: you ever see yourself doing this? 58 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: You know? 59 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I thought probably my last four seasons, I thought I'd 60 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: get into broadcasting, but I saw myself more being in 61 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: studio doing the doing studio stuff on television. And I 62 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: did that for maybe eight or nine years. Once I retired, 63 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: I worked for CBS Sports Network doing that and I 64 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: loved it. 65 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: Do a NFL pregame show. 66 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: But there's a different energy and a different type of 67 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: excitement and that comes with calling games and to be 68 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: able to call games for the team that I root for, 69 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: it's different, man. You see you see how you show 70 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: the brand can the excitement that we call the games 71 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: with and the energy and the passion. So this is 72 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: this is a wonderful job. 73 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: I love it. 74 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: What's your favorite part about it? 75 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: Man? 76 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: Because there's so many things that go into what you do. 77 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 4: It's not just being in the booth. You're always preparing 78 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: and you're doing stuff. 79 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: It's a. 80 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: When you play the game. Coming into the stadium, you're 81 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: getting ready to play. There's an anxiety that you feel 82 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: because you're like, man, I got to perform. You've you've 83 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: prepared all week for this moment, that game day, and 84 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: it's hard to get that out and and what we 85 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: call the real world so to speak. But now being 86 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: back in the broadcast booth and calling games, I get 87 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: excited and get the anxiety a little bit about being 88 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: to call these games. And the bigger the game, the 89 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: more I'm like quiet and I really don't want to 90 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: talk before the game. I have to do my pregame interview, 91 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: interview responsibility. I'm just like man, I don't want to. 92 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: Talk, like. 93 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: Focused on the game. So I I love that aspect 94 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: of it. Then when you when you when the game 95 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: goes and the floor of the game and depending on 96 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: how it is, the obviously the bigger the games and 97 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the competitive the more competitive they are. That that that 98 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: drives it. Like one game because of mind just a 99 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: Detroit game last year. 100 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: Game. Yeah, being in that environment. 101 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: You know, the NFC Championship game didn't go our way, 102 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: but to be calling it an NFC Championship game, preparing 103 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: for that, like man, I can't believe I'm doing this, 104 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: and and we couldn't believe we were doing that. 105 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: So it's just it's for a former player. 106 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: If you can't play, obviously you want to coach, you 107 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: can't coach broadcast and broadcast for the team that you 108 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: cheer for. 109 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: It's crazy to think that you were getting those butterflies, 110 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 4: like after everything you've accomplished, man, Like I think people 111 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: hear that, even somebody like me who does the job, 112 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: like man, he was on that field. 113 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: Bro. 114 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 4: You played so many years, You've accomplished so many different things. 115 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: It's kind of dope to hear that you still get 116 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: that same feeling being in the broadcast. 117 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: When when you when you stop getting those that feeling, 118 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: it's time to walk away. When you prepare so much, 119 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: put so much into it, it's kind of you're anxious. 120 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: You're anxious and ready for that moment. You're just like, Okay, 121 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: I've done the work. I want to get to the 122 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: game and show you how prepared I am for this 123 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: for this situation. And I felt like that, you know, 124 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: my entire my entire career and still to this day. 125 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 4: Did you ever have that moment where when it comes 126 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: to you playing and it's time to retire, you said, 127 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 4: when you. 128 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 3: Don't feel that anymore. 129 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: I can't imagine you ever didn't feel that on the field, 130 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 4: Like did you lose anything. 131 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: I didn't lose that the passion. 132 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: But you know, you get older, your physical skills wind down, 133 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: and you know I couldn't. Mentally, I know what I 134 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: wanted to do, but physically I just couldn't do it. 135 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: My all those years wearing tears just had caught up 136 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: to me from a from a physical standpoint. 137 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you this. 138 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: So my last season, it's Christmas Day. We go over 139 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: a friend's house to my late wife and I. We 140 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: put our three kids down for bed. It's about eight 141 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: o'clock at night, and I go and I started studying 142 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: for the game. 143 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: You know, getting ready, doing what I do. 144 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: It's I think it was like a Thursday, and I'm 145 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: prepared for the game and we're playing, and she asked me, 146 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: She's like, have you ever felt like you've gone into 147 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: a game and not be prepared? Like, oh, why would 148 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: you ask me that? I was like, I felt I 149 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: was kind of offective. Can you see how much you 150 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: put this? And she's like, how many of your teammates. 151 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: Do you think are are studying right now Christmas Day? 152 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, and I really don't. 153 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: I don't care, like like I'm doing me. So she 154 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: was asking me these questions because she's like, it's Christmas Day. 155 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's an opportunity for you and I have 156 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: to spend some time together. She wanted to spend some 157 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: time with me, and she's like, why are you studying 158 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: on Christmas night? 159 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: Well? The thing was the crazy part is I had 160 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: just announced my retirement the day before. 161 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: Okay, we're getting ready to play the Dallas Cowboys. This 162 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: was the second and last game of my career coming up. 163 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: We had a home game against the Cowboys. I had 164 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: played against the Cowboys as a reds Can by that time, 165 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: what thirteen times? This is about to be my fourteenth 166 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: time facing the Cowboys as a Redskin. I knew they 167 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: off they had the same offense during my entire time. 168 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: I knew their guys, I knew their ross. I knew 169 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: I could have gone into that game and not totally 170 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: done it. Prepared the same way I had always done. 171 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: But there was nothing inside of me that was going 172 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: to allow me to not prepare the same way, and that. 173 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: Was just how I was wired. 174 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: So the preparation never changed in the passion to do it, 175 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: but just from you know, you get to the point 176 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: WHI just like, Man, I just can't do it no more. 177 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: This is a young man's game. 178 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: It's time I left it all out there physically, mentally, emotionally, 179 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: and it was time it was time to move on. 180 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: When I listened to that story, and like now, it's 181 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: easy to see things in like hindsight when you're reflected 182 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: on it. Do you ever have moments where you're like, 183 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: you wish you would have took a little less time 184 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: on football and just done other things and give it 185 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 4: to that or does that never cross your mind. 186 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: I wish I had probably spent a little bit more 187 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: time with my teammates, kind of like getting to know 188 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: them even more, like just. 189 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: Hanging out with them a lot more like Santana. 190 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: I tell you, Man and I we're closer now that 191 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: we did what I played, and we were cool in 192 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: terms of like teammates. 193 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: But I never. 194 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't really separate, like if I'm in this building, 195 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: it's all business. 196 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: I was just wired to always be prepared, and. 197 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: You know, I've been in that feeling room so much 198 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: so I wish I had actually spent more time, like 199 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: even away from the building with my teammates, just like 200 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: going out to dinner with those guys more, hanging out 201 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: with them a little bit more. 202 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: But I did it. 203 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: I was doing it the way I thought I needed 204 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: to do it to maintain the level of play that 205 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to play at. So that's that's the one 206 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: thing I probably say I wish I did a little 207 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: bit differently. 208 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: When you look at all the things you were able 209 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: to accomplish as a player, what makes you reflect and 210 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: say I wish I would have got to know my 211 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: teammates better. 212 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: Like what what about that? Is it? 213 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: Because of like things like Tanner, Because I remember Tanna 214 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: telling me like he wouldn't really talk to you, but 215 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 4: he looked at. 216 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: You across the love. 217 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 3: There was respect, but he knew to you know, let 218 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 3: you do your thing. 219 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: Well. 220 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: I just think the one thing that you have that's 221 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: that's special about this arena is you know they call 222 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: it the brotherhood and and this fraternity. We're just getting 223 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: to know them on an even deeper level, and you know, 224 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: those relationships that you continue to create even more memories 225 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: off off the field memories because we got those memories 226 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: that we have all the field, but you know, it's 227 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: specially there are special memories being formed off the field 228 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: that I just I wish I had more of those, man, 229 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: But I just I couldn't bring myself to find that balance. 230 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: And maybe that was why you ended up being so great, right, Like, 231 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 4: not a lot of people play as long as you did. 232 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: Now as many people get the accolades that you were 233 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 4: able to receive. And now we look at a guy 234 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: like Bobby Wagner who is doing the same thing, and 235 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: it's so similar your guys. 236 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: Is Like he comes here as. 237 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: An older veteran, looks youthful still even though he's played 238 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 4: so much, He's accomplished so much, won of the Super Bowls. 239 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: How proud are you to see a guy like Bobby 240 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: Wagner who you've been in touch with way before he was. 241 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: In the Bergnery. 242 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it brings a joy to me, man to 243 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: see him, to see the career he's having, just to 244 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: watch him and be able to see him weekend and 245 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 1: week out, game in a game out. So I was 246 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: a fan of his beforehand, and there are things he 247 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: does now because I get to see it all the time. Like, man, 248 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: he's even better at this than I knew who he 249 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: was or thought he was. And just the way he 250 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: carries himself, his ability to connect with his teammates, you know, 251 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: developer racially, like when you see him and Jaden have 252 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: a special relationship even though you know Jade's young and 253 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: Bobby's older guy. Just and the professionalism, the amount of hours, 254 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: the way he takes care of his body. I was 255 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: here and I were talking prior to this, they all 256 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: know it was this season or last season, prior to the season, 257 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: and we were talking about some of the things is 258 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: doing that he does now during this offseason, and he 259 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: was telling me some stuff. I was like, man, I 260 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: wish I had that in my Reperenceoire, like I missed 261 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: that part. But just just just marvel at him and 262 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: hit what he does and and continue to play at 263 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: at an elite level. And I'm glad we were able 264 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: to give him his flowers while he's playing, because so 265 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: many times guys don't get that until they're done playing. 266 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: So to be able to to sharing that, man, it's 267 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: special and. 268 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: Give you flowers. He got them, but you did as well. 269 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 4: Dan Quinn took the time to invite you into the 270 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: locker room and be a part of that celebration. Man, 271 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: weve seen the video, but nothing's like living it. Man, 272 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: tell us about that moment. 273 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, just I was happy we won the game, So 274 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: that asked to it because the locker room, you know, 275 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: you're coming off a win. 276 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: And for him to achieve what he achieved and for 277 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: DQ to reach out to me and say, hey, London, 278 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: I would love for you to be a part of this. 279 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 2: When we recognized Bobby for reaching that two thousand and 280 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: tackle mark, and so DQ man, yes, I'm in And 281 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: so we we had that moment in the locker room. 282 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: And when I thought about thinking about Bobby and getting 283 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: those two thousand tackles, it kind of hit me a 284 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: little bit like, hey, I never really embraced it, Like 285 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: I probably should have thought about the same way, Like, man, 286 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: that's an insane amount of taxle And so it forced 287 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: me to as I'm thinking about what it took for 288 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: him to achieve that, it's like, dang, it's hours upon 289 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: an hour, thousands of hours watching film, putting in the 290 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: work off the field, doing the things with your body, 291 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: playing through injuries, the rehabit, the behind the scenes that 292 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: nobody sees, the mental toll, the physical toll, the emotional toll. 293 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: Some people like there are plenty of players can do 294 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: it one year, two years in a row, but very 295 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: few people are willing or able to do it year 296 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: after year after year after year that sustained excellence over 297 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: a career. And that's when I'm and I'm looking at that, man, 298 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: this is uh. I had to look at that totally different, 299 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: like it's it's it takes a special, special person, special 300 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: player to do that. 301 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: And that's why he's had the career he's had. 302 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: That's why there are only three three of us through 303 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: the history of the NFL that has reached the two 304 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: thousand tackle mark, because it's the same. It's sustained excellence 305 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: that it requires. 306 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: And some has to go right for that too, right, man, 307 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: you got to be healthy, you gotta be a team, 308 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 4: you got to be playing games. There's just so many 309 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 4: things that have to go right. So that makes it 310 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: even more special. And it's wild to me being somebody 311 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 4: that's on the outside looking at y'all. You tanna and 312 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 4: y'all really don't bask in y'all greatness. You really like, 313 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 4: don't sit and think about all the stats you put 314 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: up regularly. So to me, it's very special that you 315 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: are in this position because you get you have no choice. 316 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 4: Now you have no choice but to sit there. And 317 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: it seemed like as if in the locker room, not 318 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: just you and Bobby, but it seemed like there was 319 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: a lot of emotion in the locker rooms. 320 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: It was at the case. And why was that the case? 321 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: It was definitely the case. 322 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: And that's that's her reflection of him and the relationships 323 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: and the reverence that his teammates have for him because 324 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: the eruption what I announced that I knew he was 325 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: coming up on it, but still once you accomplished it, 326 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: the eruption that took place in that locker room and 327 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,359 Speaker 1: all the smiles and the guys just surround him, and 328 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: that could that lets you know the reverence they have 329 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: for him. And also when you hear him talk about 330 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: how they gave him his joy back for the game 331 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: being here. So that's it's it's the love is a reciprocal. 332 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: And when you play twenty pluses, if you play so long, 333 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: it's easy to maybe fall out of love with it. 334 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's easy to get distracted. Did you ever fall 335 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: out of love. 336 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: With the game. Did you ever remember a moment where 337 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: you felt that, Because I thought that was interesting Bobby 338 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: said that. 339 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: You know, I think he when I when I heard 340 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: him say that, I think it was probably part of 341 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: the business aspect of it that he was kind of 342 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: probably thinking about where, you know, he was he played 343 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: in Seattle, what thirteen years? 344 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: Maybe a long time. 345 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: Did one year and say la la, then came back 346 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: to Seattle, and then he's been here the last couple 347 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: of years, so maybe eleven years, because he's he just 348 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: finished his fourteenth season, So you think there was a 349 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: business aspect that was the reason why he's not still 350 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: in Seattle. So maybe that's that's probably what he's thinking 351 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: about it. You know, the business, the business part of 352 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: football can be tough. 353 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially playing that long. The business, especially the business 354 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: park can be tough. The emotions can be tough. The 355 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: time away from the family can be tough. When it 356 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 4: was time for you to retire and hang them up, 357 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: I want to circle back to that real quick. 358 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: Were you ready to go? Was it was it it 359 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: for you? 360 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I was, I was done. 361 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: I just I felt like I had done all I 362 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: could do. I had felt like I led. I was 363 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: trying to build up some other leaders to take the 364 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: torch from me. So I was ready. Man, I was 365 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: ready because I was ready to go home my family, 366 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: wife and kids there down a shot. I just ready 367 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: to get back home. 368 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: Because you see so many legers come up on here 369 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: and they say the struggles with retirement, not so much 370 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 4: being retired, but after the fact, You're lucky you had 371 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 4: TV at all these things. 372 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: But did you have trouble leaving the game? But you 373 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: played so long. 374 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: I don't think there's anybody that could really speak to 375 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 4: that better than you. 376 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: I will say this for so, I did have a 377 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: the transition to go right into television and broadcasting, and 378 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: that makes a difference because there's a sense of lost 379 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: identity when you've this is something you've done. You're basically 380 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: your entire life, You've been identified as an athlete, and 381 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: once you leave it, what are you? 382 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: Who are you? 383 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: That's the question that you struggle and kind of have 384 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: to wrestle with. So when I was able to go 385 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: into broadcasting, that definitely helped my transition. 386 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 4: When you look at the off season upon us now, 387 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 4: because man, you're so ingreat with this team. Of course 388 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: you played, but now you're part of the media, so 389 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 4: you follow it just as much as anybody. You're everywhere, 390 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: you're on the plane, you're traveling. What do you want 391 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: to see from the team in this offseason because year 392 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 4: two for Jaden didn't go the same as year one, 393 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 4: which we know, but year three that's the one where 394 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 4: you really see what a regime and what a team 395 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: can be made of. 396 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is a huge offseason obviously, with 397 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, you want to we want to get back 398 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: to winning football and getting back to you know, playoff 399 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: caliber football. So health is gonna be im poortant. Obviously, 400 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: you got the draft and free agency and how you 401 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: gonna supplement and change this roster. So I just want 402 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: us to get back to playing our style of football. 403 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: Healthy health, that's something you can totally control. But I'm 404 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: excited to see what twenty twenty six brings for the 405 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. 406 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 3: In London. 407 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 4: If Bobby could watch this right now, sorry Bro London 408 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: and Bobby could be watching this right now, because he 409 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 4: should be on the show. I'm gonna talk to him tomorrow. 410 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: What message would you give to him? Right now at 411 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: this point in his life, because it's not many people 412 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 4: that understand what he's going through in real time. 413 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: Like you keep balling, man, keep balling, keep falling. 414 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 3: That's all we need to hear. May that sit man. 415 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: We're here with the legend London Fletcher, future Hall of Famer, 416 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 4: and one of the voices of the command is London 417 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 4: has been a great being able to work with you. Brother, 418 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 4: see you transition into this part of your role, man, 419 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: and it's just it's honored. 420 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: Happy you hear, brother, appreciate you. 421 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: That appreciate it. 422 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 4: Command is favorite. We hope you have been enjoying. Next 423 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 4: man up. Before we go any further, we have to 424 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: pay some bills now. 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That's how you make progress, That's how you 447 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 4: make impact on the world around you. 448 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: It's your time. How you spend it is up to you. 449 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: It's your time. 450 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: The US Army Reserve Commander's Family back to the show. 451 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 3: Commander's Family. 452 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 4: It was an honor and the privilege that have the 453 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: Great London Fletcher as our first guests on the show. 454 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: And I know what you're asking. 455 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: Normally we have a current player, and we do have 456 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 4: a current player for you, but we're switching it up 457 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 4: a little bit. On this last episode of the twenty 458 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 4: twenty five season of Next Man Up, we have London 459 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: Fletcher interviewing the great Bobby Wagner, two of the three 460 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: guys that have two thousand plus career tackles. They're interviewing 461 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: each other right now for a very very special version 462 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: of Next Man Up. Let's check it out. 463 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: Well, man, appreciate you. 464 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: Man. 465 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 2: What's up? Man? How's last? 466 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: I know the season didn't go the way your anticipating. 467 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: It's always rough when the season is just kind of 468 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: getting your bears together. 469 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: What have you been up to the last couple of. 470 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 5: Days, honestly, just reflecting the season and talking to family 471 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 5: and talking to some of the guys and just try 472 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 5: to make sense of what happened this year. 473 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I know one thing that happened. Again, congratulations 474 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: on two thousand, man. That's a that's a huge accomplishment. 475 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: It's crazy because when I started like, really, I've done it, 476 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: and I've told you this, When you're in it, you 477 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: don't really think about what you're doing. You just kind 478 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: of going about your business and to reach that number. 479 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: And I started looking at it like, man, that all 480 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: the stuff that it requires, the hours upon hours. I say, 481 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: thousands upon hours that you put in the film study, 482 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: into the preparation, off season workouts, taking care of your body, 483 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: eating right, all the discipline and sacrifice that it takes, 484 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: the commitment to excellence, sustained success. 485 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: Year after year after year. 486 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: And I tried to articulate that to the fans, who like, yeah, 487 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: y'all see this number, but the milestone that Bobby's achieved, 488 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: it's more than that. What goes into all your all 489 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: the things you have to do to be able to 490 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: play the way you play. 491 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 5: Man. Like you said, it's just film study, taking care 492 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: of your body, the massages, the yoga. Yeah, I just 493 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 5: think like the discipline of just like you know, the 494 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 5: sacrifice that you had to make, like the food, the 495 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 5: family time, the spending time with friends. There were so 496 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 5: many different sacrifices that you didn't know why you were 497 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 5: doing it. You just wanted to do it because you 498 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 5: wanted to be great. And then when you do that, 499 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 5: things like this happen. 500 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: You. 501 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: You reached out to myself back in twenty nineteen, I 502 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: Love you shared missing out reaching out to Ray Lewis, 503 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: and this was and you came into League twenty seven 504 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. After twenty nineteen, you already established as a 505 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: as a Pro Bowl player. You had made multiple All 506 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: Pro teams. And I told mentioned this to multiple people, 507 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: like I was on it because I'm already looking at you, like, man, 508 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: this dude is already one of the elite guys to 509 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: play the position. He's headed to that to that, you know, 510 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: hall of fame, you know, just trajectory, continue your career 511 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: the way you were career headed? 512 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: What was it that that you? 513 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: Like, Man, a lot of players won't reach out to 514 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: guys that have done things before, but you you saw it. 515 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: You know, like, hey, I'm gonna reach out to Ray myself. 516 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: You've reached out to a lot of other people. What 517 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: what what was it that made you do that? 518 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 5: I think it's just understanding that the guys before you 519 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 5: did it, you know what I mean. And so that's 520 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 5: that's experienced. That's knowledge that you can't get in years. 521 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 5: You know, sometimes the way you catch up in years 522 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 5: is asked questions. And so you know, you were the 523 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: guys that I watched that that play for a long time, 524 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, I want to be like that. 525 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 5: I want to play that long and so I need 526 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 5: to sit down with those guys and talk to them 527 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 5: and see, like what did they do to keep their 528 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 5: body together? How they watch film? How did they you know, 529 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 5: just ask the questions. 530 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: Man. 531 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 5: I think that's just humility, is understanding that no matter 532 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 5: where I was at, there's still some some things to learn. 533 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: When you when you got to Seattle, what was that 534 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: linebacker room? Like, I know I benefited from some veterans 535 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: in the in the room with me who taught me. 536 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: I can remember my first start I made. I didn't 537 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: make my first start until the final game of my 538 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: rookie season. I was mainly a special teams guy, and 539 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: I made was making this start against the forty nine 540 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: ers on the road. 541 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: This was the old school forty nine ers. 542 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: They had Jerry Rice Steele, Steve young t O was there, 543 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: Garrison Hurst. You being a West Coast guy, you might 544 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: have heard of Garrison Hurt. Like these guys were rolling in. 545 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Our defense was extremely complicated. But I'm nervous as what 546 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: before the game. So I went to one of the 547 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: other veteran linebackers and You're like, man, how do you 548 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: study the We called it the hit chart, basically the 549 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: tendencies and how they how the team, you know, do 550 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: different things. 551 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: What was that linebacker room like for you? Was it? 552 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: Were there any veterans you were able to lean on 553 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: and learned from early in your career? 554 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 5: Well, I mean I benefited from having coach Norton in 555 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 5: the room. That was a big one because our room 556 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 5: was relatively young. We had it was myself, it was 557 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 5: Malcolm Smith, Feels, Bruce Irvin, it was kJ Wright, it 558 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 5: was Lee roy Hill and he Farewell and so Heath 559 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 5: was a special team guy. H Lee Roy was kind 560 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 5: of on his way out, like kind of I was 561 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 5: trying to figure out whether he's still in the play 562 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 5: or not. And me, kJ, Malcolm, and Bruce were the 563 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 5: ones that were playing a lot. And so I think 564 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 5: we benefited because we were around the same age and 565 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 5: so we were you know, they had just been rookies 566 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 5: and so I can I could learn from them the 567 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 5: things that they would have done differently. And then you know, 568 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 5: having coach Norton in the room, that's just a weapon 569 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 5: of knowledge. 570 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. 571 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: As far as you mentioned routine off season routines, you want, 572 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: I talked, I think it was before last season during 573 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: trading cat. We're in the lobby and you were talking 574 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: about some of the things that you you do. You step, 575 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: you told me still getting the sandpit, which was one 576 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: of the things I shared with you. But you also 577 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: mentioned the yoga piece, and I think you do pilates 578 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: as well, if I'm if I memory surging. And I 579 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: was like, man, when you said, I was like, I 580 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: wish I had put those things in my repertoire just 581 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: from a flexibility standpoint, all those types of things. Were 582 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: those things that you do? You got those on your 583 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: own or was it just picking brains and different players. 584 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: I know you you worked out with ray Lewis, and 585 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: where'd you get those kind of things from to your repertoire. 586 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 5: Honestly, I remember in college they had us do like 587 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 5: some yoga, but it wasn't hot. It was just like 588 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 5: just regular yoga, and I remember feeling good, and so 589 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 5: it was just one day I was like, man, like, 590 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 5: let me try it again. I found a hot yoga 591 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 5: class and I sweat a lot and it was just 592 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 5: good work. And so I just I was doing it 593 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 5: and I didn't do it a game. I didn't feel 594 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 5: my best, and so I was like, okay, like that's 595 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 5: I got to make that apart my routine, and same 596 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 5: thing with like the hyperbaric chamber and stuff. I was like, 597 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 5: you know, I did it kind of coming into the 598 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 5: combine and I just thought it was it was a 599 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 5: way to kind of stay healthy. 600 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: I did. 601 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: I got the hyperbaric chamber going into my last season, 602 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: and I did it because I had finally had some surgery. 603 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: I had an elbow scope and an ankle scope and 604 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: they said that help with the recovery and all that 605 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: type of stuff. You know, I enjoyed the hyperbaric chambers. 606 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: I'll get nervous up in there. I was living in 607 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: DC by myself and I get in that thing, and yeah, 608 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: I was like, man, make sure I got my fall 609 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: with me, because. 610 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 5: I need to for sure, for sure. I've been in 611 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 5: there one time in the in the power cut off 612 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 5: and and uh and it just started flating. Yeah, I 613 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 5: can get out, but you know when all the lights 614 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 5: cut off and you by yourself, it's not good. 615 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: Hey. 616 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: The and I tried hot yoga after I retired. I 617 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: went in the class. I thought it was I was like, man, 618 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: it's hot, it's yoga. I went into an hour and 619 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: a half hot yoga class. I had to stop. Man, 620 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: I threw up. I had to literally leave the Yeah, 621 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: like total new respect for uh for hot yoga. 622 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: Man. 623 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: You know, as far as you off the field, there's 624 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: so many layers to you that like you get to 625 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: learn what you being on our team. Now you as 626 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: the business man you went to Howard, you just got 627 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: your NBA and I know you haven't walked yet. You're 628 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: part owner of the Seattle Storm you mentioned. I think 629 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: you you already started a fund uh pe fund. 630 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 5: If I'm part of a cha capital fund. 631 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: So that part of it? What like, has this something? 632 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: These are things that you always wanted to do or 633 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: is just like, you know what, I want to be 634 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: more than a football player you mentioned one day even 635 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: potentially want to be the NFL commissioner. What is it 636 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: that has you wanting to do all these different things? 637 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 5: I just think that it's a passion in mind, something 638 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 5: that I connect with. And then I think there's like 639 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 5: this myth that that players can only be players, and 640 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 5: that can only be the athlete of the sport they 641 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 5: played for. And I don't believe that to be true. 642 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 5: And I believe you can have a great focus and 643 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 5: perform at a high level and then do other things. 644 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 5: And so I had a lot of mentors challenged me, 645 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 5: you know, early on in my career to figure out 646 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 5: what I wanted to do. And and you know, I 647 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 5: just started learning. I start interning, and that led into 648 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 5: me negotiating my deal, which led into being part of 649 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 5: a VC firm, which led to going back to school 650 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 5: getting my degree, and so all these things. It just 651 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 5: kind of happened as I, you know, search for knowledge 652 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 5: and search for what it was I wanted to do 653 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 5: when I was done. 654 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: How difficult was that to be working on your n 655 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: B A and you're in the season and all the 656 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: responsibilities you have as a middle linebacker and and what 657 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: all that entails and still trying to work on your masters. 658 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 5: I would say it was harder in the in the 659 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: in the off season, just because you know, that's that's 660 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 5: your family time, and you know you got to step 661 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 5: away to take uh, to take test or you know, 662 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 5: do assignments and things like that. During the season, it 663 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 5: is more structured, so I can I can I could 664 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 5: plan more. I knew when I was gonna watch film, 665 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 5: I knew when I was getting with my sages, I 666 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 5: knew my classes were so I can I could better 667 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 5: plan off seasons kind of a little bit more hectic 668 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 5: like you can. I could be in you know, the 669 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 5: East Coast one day West Coast and another Central like so, 670 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 5: I think in the off season it was hard, but 671 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 5: in the season, I just it created that that structure 672 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 5: for me, which was cool. 673 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: When you when you find did your final project and 674 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: you knew you were double, You're just like, yes, what 675 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: what was that reaction like for you? 676 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, When I turned that paper in and I 677 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 5: took that last exam, I was like, yeah, I'm done. 678 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 5: Like I'm done with school. I ain't going back again. 679 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: Your education at that level. 680 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 5: Is over, man, at that level, I'm good. 681 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: Hey. 682 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: On a Hard Knocks to there's a clip of you 683 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: talking about watching a film, a movie on the plane 684 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: without the sound. 685 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: Who does that? 686 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I don't know, man. It was funny. 687 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 5: I don't even know how we got on that topic. 688 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 5: But I just was in the plane, and you know 689 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 5: how you fall asleep sometimes before they pass the headphones out, 690 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 5: and so I just missed the headphones, and so I 691 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 5: wasn't even gonna I was gonna listen to music. I 692 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 5: was gonna be chilling but then I was looking to 693 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 5: my right and it was just a lot going on, 694 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, like it's just I'll just get 695 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 5: through the scene. And then I stopped watching, and then 696 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 5: every scene just just kept my attention and loboh, I 697 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 5: was locked in on the movie and I'm watching the 698 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 5: whole movie with no sound. I don't know what's going on, 699 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 5: like nothing. So yeah, it's a good movie. 700 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: Though you don't know exactly how they what was it? 701 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: You just you created your own. 702 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 5: I just created my own thing. I was like when 703 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 5: he was dancing, because he he was growing some some 704 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 5: fruit or growing some food on Mars. I just imagine 705 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 5: myself growing and like what what would I be saying 706 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 5: if I was able to figure out how to how 707 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 5: to grow something on Mars or on the Moon. 708 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: I think with that imagination, it wouldn't be surprising to 709 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: me if you next thing. You know, you had writer, 710 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: director or something to your to your repertoires, as a 711 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: as as all the other things as a as an 712 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: older player, veteran player in the league. You're thirty four. Now, 713 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: then you got this this young guy Jaden in the 714 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: relationship that you two guys have, man It's special just 715 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: seeing how you guys interact and what I know, you 716 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: guys are both from from the California area, But is 717 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: it deeper than that, and just how how you guys 718 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: were able to connect. 719 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 5: I mean, good people surround themselves with good people. Man 720 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 5: like he a good person, He good, good dude, and 721 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 5: that energy. You know, from my first encounter, I just 722 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 5: understood what type of person he was. And obviously I'm 723 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 5: older him, so I kind of knew to an extent 724 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 5: like what he was going to have to go through. 725 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 5: And we just connected. You know, we started with being 726 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 5: from the I E. And then I think it just 727 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 5: connected on so many different levels. And you know, we 728 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 5: don't really understand, you know, the interest and like how 729 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 5: hard it is that the age difference, things like that. 730 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 5: We just it's like my little brother, you know what 731 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 5: I'm saying, and I want him to be successful and 732 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 5: he wanted me to be successful. And you know, we 733 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 5: just clicked. And you know that's just that's what our 734 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 5: brothers are. Man, they click and they just have a 735 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 5: good time. We talked trash all the time. You know, 736 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 5: we have our moments when we're serious, and you know, 737 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 5: it's just a dope relationship, and I'm grateful. 738 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've witnessed a couple of occasions where you two 739 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: are teasing each other a little bit and kind of 740 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: going back and forth. Last question for me, Man, you 741 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: are in the locker room after you got to the 742 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: game ball for the two thousand tackles, you mentioned how 743 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: the team has brought back the love of football. This guy, 744 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: these group of guys has brought back your love of 745 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: football to you? 746 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: What what was. 747 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: It about it that you had kind of lost that 748 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: love of the game and prior to coming to Washington. 749 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 5: I just think, you know, I have my my I 750 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 5: really thought it was gonna be in Seattle my whole career, 751 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 5: and you know those last few years, you know, I 752 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 5: went to Seattle, then I went to la and then 753 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 5: I went back to Seattle, and then I was going there. 754 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 5: So it was just a lot of a lot of turnover, 755 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, a lot of you know, 756 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 5: not knowing what was next. And so this year was 757 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 5: the first year that I was able to stay where 758 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 5: I was I was at and it felt right and 759 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,479 Speaker 5: it felt good with the group that I was able 760 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 5: to be a part of and and help mentor and 761 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 5: things of that nature, and so it was just fun. 762 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: And I will say this, you probably felt appreciated too 763 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: because you played You played well before you went to 764 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: You played great before you went to the Rams, had 765 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: a great one season in l A. Then you go 766 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: to Seattle or was it another two years you went 767 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: there for I'm not mistaken. 768 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, I went there for a year. 769 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: You you went back to Seattle just for one year 770 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: after the Rams. 771 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, for a year. 772 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 773 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: So played great ball inn and you're just like, man, 774 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: So was that part of it, like man, I'm I'm 775 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm I could see if there was a decline and 776 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I understand it, but you're still balling 777 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: for these teams and the best business part of it. 778 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 2: I'm sure that was probably like man kind of took 779 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: it away from you a little bit. 780 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely was you know, appreciation. You know, the way 781 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 5: d Q and AP was, you know, just the way 782 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 5: they respected me and just way embraced me. You know, 783 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 5: definitely was appreciation factor. So you know, all all those 784 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 5: things I think played a part. And you know, coming 785 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 5: back all right. 786 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: Man, well cool, We we appreciate you in Washington, and 787 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate you I'm uh in my in my 788 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: house up here, I don't. I don't have a couple 789 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: of guys other than me and my home. I got Peyton, Maddy, 790 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: I got Michael Jordan. I'm gonna put you in a 791 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: special part that I've had to show you. I appreciate 792 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: your pictures Somewhere. Once I decide where I'm I'm gonna 793 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: display your jersey. Man, I appreciate you. Please do that 794 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: for me, Man, Yeah, continue to play. I look forward 795 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: to I look forward to when you eclipse my numbers 796 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: and the clip raised numbers, and you become the NFL's 797 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: all time leading tackle. 798 00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that. 799 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 5: Nexteak Man, you gotta be there. 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