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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. The Giants twenty twenty four draft

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Speaker 1: class has visited the building.

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Speaker 2: Rookie Minniecamp is gonna be on their way, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna start getting to know some of these guys. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna start here with the Giants third round pick

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Speaker 2: Andrew Phillips out of Kentucky and the join us to

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Speaker 2: talk about him Kentucky's co defensive coordinator and defensive backs

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Speaker 2: coach Chris Collins, who is on the road recruiting right now. Chris,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. I appreciate the invite. John will do

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Speaker 3: anything for a guy. Andrew man's phenomenal human. Excited about

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Speaker 3: the opportunity has there with you guys in New York.

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Speaker 2: All right, so why don't we start with this because

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Speaker 2: you know I've watched the tape. I've got to know

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Speaker 2: the guy as a player, but I don't know Andrew

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Speaker 2: was a guy. I met him here for five minutes

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Speaker 2: when he was here a week ago doing his pre conference, right,

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Speaker 2: So tell me about Andrew Phillips the guy man.

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Speaker 3: First of all, great family, you know, so he has

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Speaker 3: you know, siblings that are very close in age and

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Speaker 3: think where it starts for him. You know, his family background,

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Speaker 3: in his development here from there man, phenomenal teammates. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of different stories, man, I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 3: get into a few, but to where he was able

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Speaker 3: to exemplify himself being a great teammate and a guy

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Speaker 3: that you know, really grew in terms of our culture,

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Speaker 3: in our program. And so you know, you know, we

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Speaker 3: talk about just Andrew Phils in a nutshell man. You know,

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Speaker 3: a selfless guy that's gonna do anything he possibly can

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Speaker 3: to uh to help the people around him be successful.

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Speaker 3: Think that carries over to him individually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his dad was a linebacker at Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: Right if I remember, did you get the sentence when

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Speaker 2: you coach him and you met him that his dad

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Speaker 2: was a former athlete and he kind of helped him prepare.

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Speaker 2: So he kind of knew what he was getting getting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I mean, I you know, there's a level

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Speaker 3: the tough love and all those things that are necessary

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Speaker 2: You mentioned you have some good anecdotes or stories of

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Speaker 1: Can you share some of those with us?

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Speaker 2: You're so fans get an idea for how he's gonna

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely. Man. Uh, you know, we had a

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Speaker 3: We ended up bringing in a transfer who was him

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Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned how much you saw him grow

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Speaker 1: What were some of the aspects of his game that

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Speaker 2: And how was he as a worker in terms of

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Speaker 3: The athletic traits were always there, right, and so you

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Speaker 3: And the average fan looks at it as I mean,

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Speaker 2: And I gotta imagine having to make that, you know,

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Speaker 2: I gotta imagine that was as much of it as

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Speaker 3: Can tell you a football guy all right, because you

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Speaker 3: get it, all right. Those are their two different worlds, right,

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Speaker 3: And and to your point, you know, the him moving

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Speaker 1: You know, how how.

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Speaker 2: Much was your guys decision to put him in there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's spoke. You know, it spoke exactly to

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Speaker 3: And he was able to do those things on special teams,

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Speaker 2: And that's where the Giants are going to start him out.

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Speaker 3: Right, very very true. It was funny. I was walking

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Speaker 2: bank dot com. How much did you guys work? Pressman

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Speaker 2: and more traditional man deman stuff in practice? Because obviously,

443
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Speaker 2: like you know, a lot of offstoff in games, there

444
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Speaker 2: is some man there, so but in the NFL, you

445
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Speaker 2: knoww it goes third down, third and long. Sometimes you're

446
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Speaker 2: gonna blitz, you're gonna be in man demand. So how

447
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: ready is Andrew to step in and in that again

448
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 2: very difficult slot spot. We got a two way goal

449
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Speaker 2: against some very quick guys. Well who'd be adept at

450
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Speaker 2: going into man to man when they need them to

451
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Speaker 2: at the pro level?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We play a good at his zone,

453
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Speaker 3: but a lot of our zone is ripley as concept,

454
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Speaker 3: so it turns into man based off what what what

455
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Speaker 3: spacing I get?

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Speaker 1: So he basically matched the guy in your area and

457
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Speaker 1: then you follow.

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Speaker 3: Him, right, that's right, yep, based off of what concept

459
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Speaker 3: and spacing. But to answer your question about specifically pressed,

460
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Speaker 3: we work it every day like that's a skill that

461
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Speaker 3: you can It's it's like golf swing, right, you can

462
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Speaker 3: never get enough work at it, right, and and the

463
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Speaker 3: moment you feel like you got enough work at it,

464
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Speaker 3: oh be going backwards. Right. So we work literally every

465
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Speaker 3: day and he's one of our better guys now his

466
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Speaker 3: position in terms of playing in the slot. We didn't

467
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Speaker 3: ask him to do a lot of pressing in the slot,

468
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Speaker 3: just but we were being man to man coverages. He

469
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Speaker 3: would just be often playing at dour Scooch technique but

470
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Speaker 3: out wide playing the field corner just because of the space,

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Speaker 3: and you don't get as many opportunities when the man

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Speaker 3: the man is actually called to play down and so again,

473
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Speaker 3: because we play off coverage a lot of the times,

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Speaker 3: or we play zone covers, I should say not giving

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Speaker 3: that quarterback the easy tail you know, to where to

476
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Speaker 3: where Hey, man that dB is and man, you know,

477
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Speaker 3: easy tail friend to walk down and press it. Hey,

478
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Speaker 3: play it all, play with man vision, you know, and

479
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Speaker 3: now you're able to go make some plays, you know.

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Speaker 3: Play kind of stands up from versus deal. They were

481
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Speaker 3: in to hitch him being off coverage. Right, he's in

482
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Speaker 3: man coverage. I think he's in zone. Right, he's gonna

483
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Speaker 3: be late to that zone though he's in man. Boom,

484
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Speaker 3: he gets the PPU, you know, because he allowed them

485
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Speaker 3: to think what he wanted them to think, you know,

486
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Speaker 3: in turns of playing off and you know that's our rival.

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Speaker 3: So I hope they don't hear that, but you know,

488
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Speaker 3: go back and change the next day. Man he's got

489
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Speaker 3: but no to that point, he works it every day.

490
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Speaker 3: He's conscious about it, man, and that's one of his areas.

491
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Speaker 3: I think he really excels. It's just kind of the

492
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Speaker 3: timing of the win and where to do it.

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Speaker 1: I got two more for you, coach.

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Speaker 2: When I was going through a lot of these SEC cornerbacks,

495
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Speaker 2: they look great and then they'd show up in either

496
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Speaker 2: Lad McConkie or Rockie Piersoll's there or one of those

497
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Speaker 2: Texas wide receivers and they're runna buy him, right, And

498
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Speaker 2: because those guys are really good. But I watched the

499
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Speaker 2: game where Andrew he wined up against Pearcel a couple

500
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Speaker 2: of times against Florida he ran with them. I thought

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Speaker 2: he did a really good job in some of those

502
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Speaker 2: premier matchups.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the beauty of our league. Man, Like

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Speaker 3: weekend and week out, you know you're gonna place me

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Speaker 3: every week, coach, Like it doesn't end every week, man,

506
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Speaker 3: it's like we just you got through that, Well, here

507
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Speaker 3: we go again. Uh and so and so to to

508
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Speaker 3: guys who play in the SEC, especially at corner man,

509
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Speaker 3: the level of freak talent athlete that you're going against

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Speaker 3: on the weekend and week out basis, man, it's second

511
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Speaker 3: to none in my opinion. But to your point about

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Speaker 3: playing some of those top guys. Man, he embraced the challenge.

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Speaker 3: You know, he embraced the challenge every week about me

514
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Speaker 3: and put me on the guy. And sometimes you win

515
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Speaker 3: all those matchups, you know, and sometimes you don't. You know,

516
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Speaker 3: that's the reality of it, man. And mental and physical

517
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Speaker 3: toughness is an important piece of playing football, especially the

518
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Speaker 3: corner position. And any time many fought through some some

519
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Speaker 3: some injuries to where guys would have said, you know what,

520
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Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent, I'm not gonna be out there,

521
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Speaker 3: but I want to be out there for my team team,

522
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Speaker 3: and Drew did that in some ball games that that

523
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Speaker 3: people may have looked at and said, man, he didn't

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Speaker 3: play the best. Yeah, because he wasn't his hundred percent,

525
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Speaker 3: but he would have never used it as a crutcher

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Speaker 3: an excuse. See, I'm out there, I'm giving everything I

527
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Speaker 3: can to go play. And so again he was excited

528
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Speaker 3: about the matchup, but it was a lot of guys

529
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Speaker 3: in the league that he looked forward to playing, and

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Speaker 3: you know it was able to h to elevate, you know,

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Speaker 3: at those moments.

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Speaker 2: A final question on more of a precise technique when

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Speaker 2: you guys end up playing trail in deep. Right, he's

534
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Speaker 2: running deep with the guy. Do you do you train

535
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Speaker 2: them to play the hands in the ball or do

536
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Speaker 2: you train your dbs to get their eyes back at

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Speaker 2: the ball and kind of play it in the airs.

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Speaker 1: I know, depending on what system you're in.

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Speaker 2: Some guys want you to play the ball hitting the

540
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Speaker 2: hands and they never actually looked back.

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Speaker 1: Other coaches want you to get your head back at

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Speaker 1: the ball.

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Speaker 2: I thought when I watched him that he was getting

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Speaker 2: his head back on the quarterback a lot of the times.

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Speaker 1: How do you guys teach that on those deep balls

546
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Speaker 1: down the field?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so too. That's a a two answer question. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The first, it depends on whether they're in phase or

549
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Speaker 3: out of phase versus just that vertical going on one ball. Right.

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Speaker 3: If they're in phase, man, we're pinning in the hips,

551
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Speaker 3: we're getting eyes back, and we're turning to the receiver. Also,

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Speaker 3: depending on what coverage area, Right they're in a true

553
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Speaker 3: true man the man call where they only have to

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Speaker 3: worry about that one receiver, then yes, they're playing with

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Speaker 3: men eyes odds back and they're gonna locate the football

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Speaker 3: once they in phase. But they'll through it, through it

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Speaker 3: through a man turned mentality. Right, So my eyes are

558
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Speaker 3: on my guy and I take my ods to the

559
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Speaker 3: sky and being able to locate that football if I'm

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Speaker 3: out of phase, right, And that's different for the size

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Speaker 3: the length of a guy right in terms of that

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Speaker 3: space from that receiver, right, I'm not in a position

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Speaker 3: to look back and play the football. So now I'm

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Speaker 3: playing strictly the man through the pocket is what we reference.

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Speaker 3: And we're trying to get to the opposite hand as

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Speaker 3: we're punching to that small target the football to that

567
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Speaker 3: big target which is that opposite elbow, and trying to

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Speaker 3: be violent on the rake. And so there's a couple eclips.

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Speaker 3: And we practice those things relentlessly, now I mean relentless,

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Speaker 3: like press and the deep ball, the things that we're

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Speaker 3: gonna work on every opportunity. Basis, some days just because

572
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Speaker 3: the practice style, you don't get a chance to write

573
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Speaker 3: walk through days and things of that nature. But we're

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Speaker 3: gonna practice those all the time. And again, the separator

575
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Speaker 3: are the ones that are willing to do the extra work,

576
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Speaker 3: and Drew's willing to do that extra work and he

577
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Speaker 3: was able to grow and playing the deep ball down

578
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Speaker 3: the field this season in comparison to last season, the

579
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Speaker 3: season before. So again it kind of goes back to

580
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Speaker 3: what kind of man he is. You know, man he

581
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Speaker 3: is and excited about his future. But to answer your question,

582
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Speaker 3: in phase, out of phase is really the defining moment

583
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Speaker 3: for those guys in my in phase? Yes, boom, okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm pen to hip. I'll find the football. Take my

585
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Speaker 3: odes to the scout. I'm finding quarterback. Turning to the

586
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Speaker 3: receiver mentality. If I'm out of phase, man, I'm playing

587
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Speaker 3: through the man right, I'll shoot through the glove hand

588
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Speaker 3: and I'll break that opposite the elbows violently as I

589
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Speaker 3: possibly can and try to make him. You know, you

590
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Speaker 3: guys had a lot of them Odell catches right one hand,

591
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Speaker 3: that's out there. We want to make them be that guy.

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Speaker 3: If we're out of phase, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: That BIG's total says that final question, coach, coach, completely

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Speaker 2: off topic. So I'm getting I'm just I'm doing some

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Speaker 2: summer scouting. We'll get the twenty twenty five. I want

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Speaker 2: I forget his name ready, number zero, your big defensive tackle, police.

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Speaker 1: Dude, that guy.

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Speaker 2: He reminded, I don't say this lightly because I understand

599
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Speaker 2: how good of a player is that dude reminds me

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Speaker 2: of Dexter Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: To be that size and to move that well, my gosh,

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Speaker 1: he is going to be a hell of a player.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, is he good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? The Good Lord laid his hands on that one now. Uh.

605
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Speaker 3: But again we talk about like people. Man, he's a

606
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: great person, you know. Uh, and he's continued to get better.

607
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Speaker 3: We're excited about him. He makes me sleep a little

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Speaker 3: bit better as a DP coach. You know. Know, we

609
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Speaker 3: got a big six seven uh man running around chasing

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Speaker 3: those quarterbacks making it uncomfortable for him, you know. And

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Speaker 3: so we're excited about where his growth is and where

612
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Speaker 3: he is going into this season. But but again another

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Speaker 3: one that's a high character guy. Man that's wired the

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Speaker 3: right way. So you know he's going to be successful

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Speaker 3: at whatever he chooses to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, coach, best lack continue recruiting.

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Speaker 2: I'll leave the floor pint you anything that you want

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Speaker 2: to tell the folks about with you your program and

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Speaker 2: he charities anything like that.

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Speaker 1: The floor is yours. Promote whatever you like. My friend.

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Speaker 3: Man. Again, I just thank you guys for taking the time,

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Speaker 3: you know. Blessed to be the opportunity that we're in. Man.

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Speaker 3: Thank thank man upstairs, A right, my Lord, Save Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: I always anytime I get an opportunity, I want to

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Speaker 3: acknowledge him.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we've got some guys at your Gods' program.

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Speaker 3: You know that are that are you know through our

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Speaker 3: program in terms of the blueprint of our program right tough,

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Speaker 3: right mentally and physically. You know, guys who are great

631
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Speaker 3: teammates that want to continue on the path of success.

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Speaker 3: And hopefully we can keep that pipeline going because we've

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Speaker 3: got a lot of young men in the building who

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Speaker 3: are working tours being the best versions of themselves. And so,

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Speaker 3: you know, blessed to do what I do and I

636
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Speaker 3: thankful for this opportunity, John, thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you we've been very happy with Lono

638
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Speaker 1: Rominson too. You guys developed some really really good kids

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Speaker 1: down there. Man, you guys do a hell of a job. Appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Coach Chris Collins, defensive coordinator, co defensive coordinator, defensive basket

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Speaker 2: coach for the University of Kentucky. Chris, good stuff, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us the Giants Lit Podcast. Everybody is

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