WEBVTT - The Power Of Dependency (Lisa Harper)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to thank you for joining us today. Hope

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<v Speaker 2>this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith. Hope it

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<v Speaker 2>gives your perspective to see God is moving in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy the message.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Lisa, and I can't even tell y'all

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<v Speaker 3>how excited I am to be here, how overwhelmed I

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<v Speaker 3>am to be here. You are family to me, whether

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<v Speaker 3>you claim me or not. I claim y'all. I deeply, deeply,

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<v Speaker 3>deeply love and respect Pastor Holly and Pastor Stephen, and

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<v Speaker 3>I know full well you could have anybody from around

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<v Speaker 3>the world and it would be an undeserved privilege for

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<v Speaker 3>them to be in this house. And so I'm always

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<v Speaker 3>surprised flying from Nashville to Charlotte that, yeah, I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of feel like the girl and the math club and

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<v Speaker 3>the quarterback aster to prom it is. I mean, not

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<v Speaker 3>that there aren't amazing girls in math clubs. My apologies

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<v Speaker 3>if you're in the math club, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm always.

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<v Speaker 3>Just kind of undone that I get to be with

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<v Speaker 3>y'all because I love this house so much. Chunks and

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<v Speaker 3>Amy Corbett. I would follow y'all off a cliff. I

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<v Speaker 3>just think you hung the moon. And I'm feeling especially

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<v Speaker 3>nostalgic this week, and so I'm glad I get to

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<v Speaker 3>be with surrogate family because my little girl, some of

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<v Speaker 3>you I've met, and some of you know I became

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<v Speaker 3>a mom through the miracle of adoption, and the year

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<v Speaker 3>I turned fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a baby daddy yet.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you know somebody, I'm sixty one, If you

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<v Speaker 3>know somebody between fifty five and death, I'll go younger

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<v Speaker 3>who's employed and loves Jesus and doesn't live in his

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<v Speaker 3>mother's basement.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, it's just Missy and me.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's turned in sixteen a week from today, and

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<v Speaker 3>so just all those all those mama feelings have been

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<v Speaker 3>well enough over the last week, and I've been talking

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<v Speaker 3>to her about all these memories I have from when

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<v Speaker 3>I first brought her home from Haiti in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and she had all these just precious habits, like one

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<v Speaker 3>of them was she called me Pablo the entire time

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<v Speaker 3>that I was adopting her from Haiti for two years,

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<v Speaker 3>she called me Mama Blah White mama in Creole.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the day I.

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<v Speaker 3>Brought her to Haye, Haiti to Nashville from Haiti, she

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<v Speaker 3>started calling me Pablo, and I thought that's just odd.

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<v Speaker 1>She would switch to.

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<v Speaker 3>Pablo and I'd go, no, no, baby, morialy mama, blah,

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<v Speaker 3>my name is white mama, and she'd go, no, Pablo,

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought, this is going to be just awkward

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<v Speaker 3>when she gets married, because if y'all don't get on

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<v Speaker 3>the stick and I don't have a husband, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to be the one that the pastor says, who gives

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<v Speaker 3>this woman, I'm going to go meet Pablo. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I kept trying to dissuade her from calling me Pablo.

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<v Speaker 3>She was insistent for about a month until we found

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<v Speaker 3>out that the very last Sunday stool Sunday school curricula

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<v Speaker 3>she had done in her orphanage, they don't make enough

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<v Speaker 3>curricula to print them in Creole, and so they'll borrow

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<v Speaker 3>from Spanish curricula because that's close enough to Creole that

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<v Speaker 3>the kids can usually get it. And the very last

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<v Speaker 3>little lesson she had done was on the missionary journeys

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<v Speaker 3>of Paul Pablo, and when she asked one of the

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<v Speaker 3>nannies at the orphanage. What does my mama blanc do,

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<v Speaker 3>my white mama do? Does she sell mangos?

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<v Speaker 1>Does she?

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<v Speaker 3>So they said, well, she's kind of like a missionary.

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<v Speaker 3>She travels around and talks about Jesus. And so my

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<v Speaker 3>punkin conflated those two stories and decided I was apostle Paul,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I could just imagine Paul and Glory going

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<v Speaker 3>really Jesus, like, really, could we get a better doppelganger.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was one of her habits.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that I thought was precious that she got

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<v Speaker 3>confused was her last name. Because I love teasing and

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<v Speaker 3>given nicknames, and the whole time I was adopting her,

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<v Speaker 3>I called her Scooter mctudor, And so the first couple

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<v Speaker 3>of times people asked her what her last name was

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<v Speaker 3>in Nashville, she'd go Missy Maketuda. I was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Harper, baby, It's Harper. Her last habit I told

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<v Speaker 3>her about this last week that was priceless. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a little alarming, but it was priceless was anytime we

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<v Speaker 3>came near a wall, like if we were walking next

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<v Speaker 3>to this or a fence, if I wasn't paying attention.

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<v Speaker 3>Missy would run up on the wall or the fence,

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<v Speaker 3>and then without any warning, she would just hurl herself

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<v Speaker 3>off the water fence toward me because she just knew,

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<v Speaker 3>like she knew her name, that I would catch her.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was so precious and a little scary to

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<v Speaker 3>just have this precious little little Haitian hurling herself off

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<v Speaker 3>high things into my arms. She, after about maybe a month,

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<v Speaker 3>dropped that habit. I was glad it might be hard

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<v Speaker 3>to catch her now. But are you okay if I

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<v Speaker 3>tell the hurling story?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Will you put in your earbuds for this next

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<v Speaker 1>little cart?

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<v Speaker 3>Hurling is still a habit in the Harper household. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not Missy though, it's me. I was driving her to

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<v Speaker 3>school for the last week of school just a few

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago, the end of May, and we were going

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<v Speaker 3>over her history final, going over notes for her history final,

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<v Speaker 3>and we were driving to school and Missy had stayed

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<v Speaker 3>up most of the night studying for her finals, so

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<v Speaker 3>she wasn't in a good mood. Do you have them

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<v Speaker 3>in another one? And she was, I'll let you know

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<v Speaker 3>when you can pull them out. She did tell me

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<v Speaker 3>I could tell this story. But she's turned sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to embarrass her unduly. When Missy, there's

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<v Speaker 3>how many of y'all have teenage daughters, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>just like three days a month that they swallow grimlins,

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<v Speaker 3>And so only like three days a month that she

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<v Speaker 3>Missy is normally the kindest. That's how you can tell

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<v Speaker 3>she doesn't have my DNA. She is kind, deeply kind,

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<v Speaker 3>But three days a week, she's a bear.

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<v Speaker 1>So she had stayed.

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<v Speaker 3>Up most of the night studying for her finals, and

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<v Speaker 3>then she had swallowed PMS grimlins, And so we're driving

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<v Speaker 3>to her Christian private school and she's just mad. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I think I'm Jesus junior. You know, I'm driving,

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<v Speaker 3>I've gotten her sausage biscuit from her favorite place. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just very patiently going over electromagnetic fields and characteristics

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<v Speaker 3>with her on the way to school so she'll pass

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<v Speaker 3>her test. And I said something, I remember what I said,

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<v Speaker 3>and Missy said something very sarcastic under her breath.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I can handle j.

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<v Speaker 3>About anything as a mama, except for disrespect.

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<v Speaker 1>Disrespect it's my achilles heel.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I looked at this beautiful miracle child of

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<v Speaker 3>mine who was tired and had PMS. But I have

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<v Speaker 3>PMS two. It's called post menopausal demonic syndrome. And my

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<v Speaker 3>grimlins are big and tatted. My grimlins have little tears

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<v Speaker 3>on them, and they want to fight. And so when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm around disrespect my PMS, grimlins come out in hordes,

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<v Speaker 3>big angry hordes. And so I looked at Missy and

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what did you say?

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<v Speaker 1>And she said hmmmm.

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<v Speaker 3>And I pulled the car over to the side of

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<v Speaker 3>the road and I said, in this home, we at

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<v Speaker 3>least have the integrity to speak disrespect out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't say it under our breath.

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<v Speaker 3>So would you like to try again and say that

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<v Speaker 3>out loud?

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<v Speaker 1>Any of y'all have a mama like this?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I should have been in time out myself.

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<v Speaker 3>But Missy, because of that three day period, she gets

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<v Speaker 3>braver than usual. She said it out loud, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was backed into a corner at that point. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to do something, and so I didn't really know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do, and so I just snatched her biscuit and.

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<v Speaker 1>Threw it out in the window. It's her older biscuit

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<v Speaker 1>out the window and.

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<v Speaker 3>Missy just went and I was like, I know, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't believe I her old true biscuit. I was so

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<v Speaker 3>grateful that within like thirty seconds, humor and humility invaded

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<v Speaker 3>our car, and some of my fruit of the spirit

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<v Speaker 3>came back. Patients came lipping back, my pms. Grimlins had

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<v Speaker 3>beaten patients. But it finally crawled back in the car

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<v Speaker 3>and we laughed, and I gave her my breakfast biscuit

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<v Speaker 3>so she wouldn't have a headache, dear in your history exam,

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<v Speaker 3>and we laughed by the time we got to school.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was like, man, it is different raising an

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<v Speaker 3>almost sixteen year old than it was raising a four

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<v Speaker 3>year old.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was four.

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<v Speaker 3>I put just I'm so sorry I scared your child, baby,

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<v Speaker 3>your mama, Your mama will not throw your biscuit. I

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<v Speaker 3>can cross. I'm the only hurler in the house this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>When she was four, I put most of my attention,

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<v Speaker 3>my affection into her, establishing roots so she would have deep,

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<v Speaker 3>deep roots, that she would know that she was loved,

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<v Speaker 3>that she was affirmed, that I wasn't going anywhere that

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<v Speaker 3>unlike her first mama, who passed when she was a baby,

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to do everything I could to stay here.

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<v Speaker 3>So those formative years were all about roots. Now that

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<v Speaker 3>Missy's growing up, it's all about wings. It's all about

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<v Speaker 3>me learning how to get behind her and affirm her.

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<v Speaker 1>I've given her the parameters. She knows the boundaries.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's about giving her the grace to fly and

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<v Speaker 3>to become the woman God has created her to be.

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<v Speaker 3>When she was little, our intimacy was all about her

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<v Speaker 3>total dependency on me. Now that she's growing up, our

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<v Speaker 3>intimacy it's no longer based on her being totally dependent

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<v Speaker 3>on me. As a matter of fact, the more she matures,

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<v Speaker 3>the less dependent she'll be on me if she's healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Now hang on and listen to me, Epham, do not

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<v Speaker 3>mess with your an espresso machine right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Hang on to this next truth.

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<v Speaker 3>For human children, it's important as they grow up that

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<v Speaker 3>they become more independent. For children of God, it's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite. If you want to mature as a Christ follower,

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<v Speaker 3>we should be increasingly dependent on our creator, Redeemer. It's

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<v Speaker 3>counterintuitive in this world where plopped in you want to

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<v Speaker 3>grow as a Christ follower, it means you become increasingly

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<v Speaker 3>dependent on God. You don't cut the apron strings, they

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<v Speaker 3>become steel cables.

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<v Speaker 1>If you brought your.

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<v Speaker 3>Bibles turned to John's Gospel, We're going to look at

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<v Speaker 3>John chapter five today, very very very familiar story.

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<v Speaker 1>You have heard this story before.

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<v Speaker 3>If you grew up in a conservative church, you've seen

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<v Speaker 3>at flannel graft. You may have taught it before. John

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<v Speaker 3>Chapter five, verses one through nine. We're gonna look at

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite healing in John's gospel account. John is different

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<v Speaker 3>than the other three Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke. Those are

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<v Speaker 3>called the Synoptic Gospels. That's just a fancy seminary word.

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<v Speaker 3>That means those three are written in a similar literary format.

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<v Speaker 3>They all have some type of a birth narrative. They

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<v Speaker 3>all have parables. Those are the stories Jesus taught. That's

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<v Speaker 3>half of his sermonic material. And they have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of healings forty healings. In the Synoptic Gospels. John's Gospel

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<v Speaker 3>there are no parables. John is very different in the

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<v Speaker 3>way he describes the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote it much later in his life.

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<v Speaker 3>Theologians think he was probably in his sixties when he

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<v Speaker 3>wrote the gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>According to John, and he only has four healings, And.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my favorite of the four John Chapter five,

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<v Speaker 3>beginning with verse one, I'm reading from the ESV. After this,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went

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<v Speaker 3>up to Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there is in jerus Us Islam by the sheep Gate, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Pool in Aramaic called Bethesda, which has five roofed colonnades.

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<v Speaker 3>In these lay a multitude of invalids, blind, lamb and paralyzed.

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<v Speaker 3>One man was there who had been an invalid for

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<v Speaker 3>thirty eight years. When Jesus saw him lying there and

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<v Speaker 3>knew that he had already been there a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>he said to him, do you want to be healed?

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<v Speaker 3>How many of y'all have heard this story before? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you want to be healed? One of my closest friends

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<v Speaker 3>grew up really close to here in Concord, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Eva Whittington's self one.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the godliest, most amazing friends I have, And when

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<v Speaker 3>she was seventeen years old, she was in a hint

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<v Speaker 3>and run accident on an icy road. Her car flipped

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<v Speaker 3>into a ravine and her spine was severed, so she

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<v Speaker 3>was paralyzed. When she was seventeen years old, has two

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<v Speaker 3>steel rods to stabilize her spine. She's been pair lized

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<v Speaker 3>from this level since she was seventeen. She's a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit older than me in her early sixties, so she

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<v Speaker 3>has not been ambulatory for over forty years. She walks

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<v Speaker 3>in faith much more stable than I do. Has the

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<v Speaker 3>most amazing life, most amazing story, has two kids, miraculously

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<v Speaker 3>got pregnant and delivered her children, married to an amazing man,

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<v Speaker 3>a judge in Kentucky by the name of Andrew's self.

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<v Speaker 3>That I love Eva Whittington's self, and I love being

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<v Speaker 3>with my friend at women's conferences because every time, if

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<v Speaker 3>there's a ramp and I'm wheeling, even she's strong as

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<v Speaker 3>can be, super independent, drives herself, does everything, is much

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<v Speaker 3>more accomplished than I am.

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<v Speaker 1>But if there's a ramp, I have to help.

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<v Speaker 3>Wheel or wheelchair and I'll watch women and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>college cheapers. I might as well have walked into a

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<v Speaker 3>Kido convention with hot bread. I mean, it's just like

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<v Speaker 3>I know somebody's going to come up and ask Eva

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<v Speaker 3>if they can pray for her healing.

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<v Speaker 1>It happens every time.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, God absolutely could heal her spine if he wanted to,

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<v Speaker 3>but her spine was severed when she was seventeen, severed.

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<v Speaker 3>Medically speaking, it is impossible for her spine to come

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<v Speaker 3>back together again if she had had that accent. Today,

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<v Speaker 3>things have changed in the way they treat those type

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<v Speaker 3>of victims. There's a chance in a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 3>with what they're doing now, maybe maybe some stuff could

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<v Speaker 3>be regenerated, but not when Eva was injured. And of course,

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of people, including a lot of well known saints,

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<v Speaker 3>have laid hands on Eva, on an auditor with oil,

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<v Speaker 3>and in God's merciful sovereignty, He's chosen not to heal

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<v Speaker 3>that facet of her life.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>Eva, she'll say, I don't hate this cheer. God has

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<v Speaker 3>used this chair to introduce me to my husband. God

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<v Speaker 3>has used the chair is a canvas on which to

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<v Speaker 3>paint what a good God he is. Her testimony includes

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<v Speaker 3>this part of her story. Well, we were at a

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<v Speaker 3>conference recently and I saw a woman and I thought

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<v Speaker 3>she's going to come up and be insistent about praying

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<v Speaker 3>for Eva.

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<v Speaker 1>So sure enough she comes up and she said, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to pray for you, and Eva said that

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<v Speaker 1>would be lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm holding her chair and I'm like, she said

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<v Speaker 3>that would be lovely. I'd really appreciate if you would

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<v Speaker 3>pray for my patience because I've been really short lately

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<v Speaker 3>with my daughters and my husband, and I know when

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<v Speaker 3>we get the through of the spirit, we have all

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<v Speaker 3>the fruit. But my patience is it's just a little

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<v Speaker 3>bitty green orb on my tree. And so would you

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<v Speaker 3>pray for God to give me more patience? Y'all?

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<v Speaker 1>This woman got so ticked because she had an agenda.

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<v Speaker 3>She wanted to be the hero who prayed and Eva

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<v Speaker 3>would stand up and walk. So when Eva said that,

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<v Speaker 3>I watched this woman's face and it just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>went you like she'd been sucking on lemons or her

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<v Speaker 3>spanks were just too tight, and she went, don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to get out of that chair and walk? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, do you want to call nine one

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<v Speaker 1>one before I punch you in the threat?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sure you have the arrogant audacity to ask

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<v Speaker 3>my friend if she wants to get out of this

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<v Speaker 3>chair and walk. You don't know what it was like,

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<v Speaker 3>was she wanted to stand up and kiss Andrew when

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<v Speaker 3>they got married. You don't know what it was like

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<v Speaker 3>when her baby started crying and she had to transfer

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<v Speaker 3>into your chair and roll down to the nursery. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what that was like for young mamma, And

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<v Speaker 3>yet you dare to question her. Oh I got so

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<v Speaker 3>ungodly mad. I mean sorry, I'm in leather pants, have

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<v Speaker 3>probably squeaked really terribly. But it made me so mad

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<v Speaker 3>because it was so condescending. And yet, and yet, if

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<v Speaker 3>we're on it, doesn't it almost sound like that's what

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus is asking the sky. Thirty eight years, he's been

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<v Speaker 3>going to the Pool of Bethesda. If you've studied the

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<v Speaker 3>background of the story, you know that people have gone

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<v Speaker 3>to this particular body of water for centuries because even

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<v Speaker 3>the Pagans believe there's something supernatural there. Something happens when

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<v Speaker 3>the water ripples and it has healing properties in it.

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<v Speaker 3>The Pagans weren't sure what it was, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>Jews came along. They believed it was the finger of Yahweh.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually underground springs, but they believe there's something in

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<v Speaker 3>that pool that could bring about physical healing. This guy's

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<v Speaker 3>been going there for thirty eight years, and the first

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<v Speaker 3>question Jesus asked, is do you want to get well?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, humanly speaking, that's almost an eye roller. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, I've been dragging myself here for thirty eight years.

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<v Speaker 3>And we don't actually get the poignancy of this question

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<v Speaker 3>unless we get the sociohistorical context, because we think as

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<v Speaker 3>first world modern believers, this is a first century culture based.

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<v Speaker 1>On shame and honor.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're a note taker, write down t z e

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<v Speaker 3>d a k a h.

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<v Speaker 1>Tz ed ak ah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a pronounced saduka, almost like the game math game

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<v Speaker 3>you play in the airport, but not quite. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>Hebrew word. Some say sideka saduka. You can just say

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<v Speaker 3>it with authority in your small group and they'll think

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<v Speaker 3>you're smart. It's a Hebrew word that describes alms giving, charity,

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<v Speaker 3>or it's even translated righteousness in some of our English Bibles.

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<v Speaker 3>Their culture hinges on sideka when it comes to invalids,

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to the blind, when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>the lame, because in this shame and honor culture, they

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<v Speaker 3>were taught it is honorable to beg if you are

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<v Speaker 3>legitimately sick. So if you're blind, if you're paralyzed, as

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<v Speaker 3>this man was it is actually honorable for.

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<v Speaker 1>You to beg and provide for your family.

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<v Speaker 3>Several rabbis who are contemporaries of Jesus Christ actually taught

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<v Speaker 3>that begging was positive for the community because it gave

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<v Speaker 3>the community an opportunity to be generous. It was basically

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<v Speaker 3>the cultural ancestor of humble brags on social media. What

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<v Speaker 3>better way to prove you were a good person than

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<v Speaker 3>to drop some coins in somebody's outstretched hand in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of a public place. So for this man to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to provide for his family and it to

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<v Speaker 3>be considered honorable for thirty eight years, I'm not suggesting

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<v Speaker 3>that he enjoyed being a paralytic. I am saying he

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<v Speaker 3>had grown comfortable in that he's able to do that

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<v Speaker 3>and provide for his family. He's able to do that

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<v Speaker 3>and actually be honored by culture, and Jesus says, do

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<v Speaker 3>you want.

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<v Speaker 1>To get well, because this is going to change everything

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Son. For you to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Deeply healed is going to cause some serious discomfort in

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<v Speaker 3>your story. Here's an old movie called The Shawshank Redemption,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't want to encourage y'all to watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>I see a lot of you have when you were

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<v Speaker 3>struggling in your quiet times, but those you haven't watched

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<v Speaker 3>some real questionable language in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's this one scene.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a movie that kind of centers around a prison

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<v Speaker 3>and around this wise old convict played by Morgan Freeman.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this one scene where Morgan is sitting next to

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<v Speaker 3>a guy who's only recently been incarcerated for I think

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<v Speaker 3>he embezzled. Tim Robbins is the actor who plays them

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<v Speaker 3>so young convict and the Morgan Freeman's sitting there and

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<v Speaker 3>Tim Robbins is just completely discompopulated because one of their

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<v Speaker 3>friends had gotten out after years of being in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>He had gotten out and he reoffended really quickly and

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<v Speaker 3>was brought back on conditions of parole after only being

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<v Speaker 3>out for like a week or two, and Tim is

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<v Speaker 3>just undone.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, what a yay?

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<v Speaker 3>Who I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>He got out, He made it out of here, and

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<v Speaker 4>then it seems like he almost purposely got arrested and

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<v Speaker 4>go what info world?

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<v Speaker 3>And Morgan Freeman is listening to him complain about why

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<v Speaker 3>in the world would this guy give up his hard

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<v Speaker 3>won liberty? And he waits for a minute and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, at first these walls, and he gestures to

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<v Speaker 3>those prison walls with a barber wire on top.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, at first these walls, you hate.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, and then after a while you get used to him,

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<v Speaker 3>and then if you're in here long enough, you realize

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<v Speaker 3>you need them.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how many of us have gotten so comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>being sick that we've started decorating our prison cell so

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<v Speaker 1>it'll feel more like a living room. How comfortable are

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<v Speaker 1>you being sick? Do you want to get completely well?

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<v Speaker 1>Because to be completely well it'll change everything. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be well?

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<v Speaker 3>Stick a finger in Luke and head backwards to Mark's gospel,

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<v Speaker 3>Mark chapter two, another very familiar encounter Jesus has with

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<v Speaker 3>some up adeat Pharisees. He went out again beside the sea.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Mark chapter two, beginning in verse fifteen. And

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<v Speaker 3>all the crowd was coming to him, and he was

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<v Speaker 3>teaching them. And as he passed by, he saw Levi,

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<v Speaker 3>the son of Alphaeus, sitting at the tax booth, and

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<v Speaker 3>he said to him, follow me.

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<v Speaker 1>And he rose and followed him.

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<v Speaker 3>And as he reclined at table in his house, many

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<v Speaker 3>tax collectors and sinners were reclining with Jesus and his disciple,

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<v Speaker 3>For there were many who followed him, the scribes of

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<v Speaker 3>the Pharisees. When they saw that he was eating with

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<v Speaker 3>sinners and tax collectors, said to be his disciples, they said,

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<v Speaker 3>why does he eat with sinners and tax collectors. When

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus heard it, he said to them, those who are

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<v Speaker 3>well have no need of a physician, but those who

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<v Speaker 3>are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

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<v Speaker 3>Underneath that question, which is irony. Underneath that question, was

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<v Speaker 3>what's more important to you? Healing or comfort? Okay, because

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<v Speaker 3>oftentimes for a mature Christ follower who recognizes neediness as

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<v Speaker 3>a spiritual necessity, deep healing does cause discomfort because it

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<v Speaker 3>means we have to acknowledge I'm sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have it all together.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't carry the weight of my whole life anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I became a christ Follower when I was five years old,

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<v Speaker 3>and right after I became a Christian. Right before I

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<v Speaker 3>became a Christian, my father had left us for another

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<v Speaker 3>woman and her child. And right after I became a Christian,

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<v Speaker 3>partly because I wanted a dad who wouldn't leave. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what the pastor preached on when I walked an aisle

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<v Speaker 3>and they sang just as I am seven hundred times

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<v Speaker 3>because you used to. They'd sing it until somebody walked forward,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you could finally go to lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>But I put my hope in Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just a peanut, and I understood at a

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<v Speaker 3>very very very basic level that I was a sinner

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<v Speaker 3>and God was the only one who had the deterchant

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<v Speaker 3>to clean my heart. I understood at a very basic

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<v Speaker 3>level that he was a heavenly father who doesn't abandon

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<v Speaker 3>his children.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I understood. And after I gave.

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<v Speaker 3>My heart to Jesus, some men came and went from

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<v Speaker 3>our family who did things to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me that no man should do to any woman, much

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<v Speaker 1>less a little girl.

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<v Speaker 3>And so from my earliest memory, I have felt dirty,

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<v Speaker 3>And so I learned really early on I conflated a

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<v Speaker 3>dirty heart with being just dirty because of what had

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<v Speaker 3>been done to me, And so I conflated those two truths,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just resolved, I'm just going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>do better and be better. I'm just gonna try to

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<v Speaker 3>be good. I'm gonna fill in all the Bible state plants.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go to youth group. I'm gonna volunteer at

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<v Speaker 3>youth group. I'm gonna stack chairs, I'm to go to

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<v Speaker 3>youth camp. I'm just gonna do everything good that I

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<v Speaker 3>can possibly do to make up for how bad I am,

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<v Speaker 3>to somehow make.

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<v Speaker 1>Up for how dirty I am.

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<v Speaker 3>So I became a class a poser, just a poser.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Jesus, and I believe this was true. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think this was a rule book. I really did,

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<v Speaker 3>at some level think it was a love story. I

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<v Speaker 3>just couldn't understand how God like that could really love

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<v Speaker 3>a girl like me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just tried to do better, be better, do better,

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<v Speaker 1>be better, do better, be better. It's exhausting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so exhausting to pretend like you don't need more healing.

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<v Speaker 3>How often in America do we pretend like atonement is

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<v Speaker 3>one and done.

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<v Speaker 1>I came to Christ, I got baptized. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good. I'm sixty one in single. I have four

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<v Speaker 3>chain sauce chain sauce. I mean, that's like an obsession.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to cut things up. The reason I

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<v Speaker 3>have four chain saws is I live out in the

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<v Speaker 3>Boonies and we have five acres, and whenever we have

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<v Speaker 3>a storm that comes through, and these Charlatans who masquerade

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<v Speaker 3>as tree service guys tell me it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five hundred dollars to cut up a tree that

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<v Speaker 3>fell down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like you, I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Kiss my big two because I'm not paying you thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred dollars. Oh cut up my tree. So I

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<v Speaker 3>bought a chainsaw, and then I couldn't figure out how

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<v Speaker 3>to get the chain back on, so I'd buy another

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<v Speaker 3>one not messed up, and so then But I am independent, baby,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I grew up in an era where one

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<v Speaker 3>of the famous advertisements I think I had to do

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<v Speaker 3>with perfume, but the melody was I can bring home

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<v Speaker 3>the bacon done on fried up in a pan, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You, and never ever let you forget you're a man.

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<v Speaker 3>That part of miss because I'm a warm I just

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<v Speaker 3>believe that hook line and sinker. Because I wasn't cared

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<v Speaker 3>for when I was young, I decided it was a

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<v Speaker 3>high value in my life to learn how to take

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<v Speaker 3>care of myself. When I begin to hear me say

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<v Speaker 3>say those things to my creator redeemer, I've got it.

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm fine, I've got it, I'm fine. I realized I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not as healed as I thought I was because I

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 3>can't admit I'm sick anymore. And he came for those

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 3>who recognized they're sick. How well do you want to be?

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to be healed or do you want

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 3>to be comfortable? Because those two are really congruent for

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 3>a Christ follower. Fifteen years ago, God mercifully kicked my

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 3>self reliant legs out from under my stool. I lost

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<v Speaker 3>two primary relationships, and I was diagnosed with cancer that

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 3>initially presented as brain cancer. And y'all, I just lost

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 3>the capacity to be self reliant, and I was ashamed.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 3>I was so ashamed that I couldn't carry the weight

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<v Speaker 3>of my own life anymore. And I remember being curled

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<v Speaker 3>up and lived by myself little cottage south of Nashville.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember being curled up on the floor and God

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<v Speaker 3>spoke to me as clear as a belle. I've never

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<v Speaker 3>heard an audible voice, because sometimes his voice is so loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever hear him when you're wrestling? Does he

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<v Speaker 1>ever whisper encouragement to you? Like you know? It's a lord?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's different than your dad's voice, isn't it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just you know.

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<v Speaker 3>John says that if you put your hope in Jesus,

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<v Speaker 3>you recognize his voice. It's different than any other voice.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said, and I'm so stupid. I'm shocked he

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<v Speaker 3>comes back again and again and again. I can be

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 3>so slow to learn and listen. But he said, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 3>you've been running scared your whole life, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to take you to the basement and I'm going

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 3>to sit there with you in the dark until fear

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't own you anymore. Great church father from the sixteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 3>Saint John of the Cross, he called those seasons in

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<v Speaker 3>our lives when we feel like we can't carry the

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<v Speaker 3>weight of our own life and we feel like we're

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<v Speaker 3>in a dark valley.

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<v Speaker 1>He called that a dark night of the soul.

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<v Speaker 3>My dark night of the soul lasted for six months.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so weak I couldn't get out of bed.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not being hyperbolic. I could not physically get

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<v Speaker 3>out of bed without.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying the name Jesus out loud.

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<v Speaker 3>I just speak in the quietness of my little cottage, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd get out of bed and go to the bathroom

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<v Speaker 3>and I had scripture laminated next to my sink, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just had to speak those promises out loud to

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<v Speaker 3>remember them. I don't know about y'all, but sometimes my

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 3>heart's a calender. I mean, I'm finishing a doctorate in seminary.

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 3>I know enough Greek and Hebrew to bedous. My poor

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 3>little crooked heart lags so far behind my head because

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 3>I spent so long staying I'm fine, I'm fine When

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't. He so graciously carried me when I was weak,

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 3>So gracious. I would go back to that valley again

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<v Speaker 3>because it's in that weak place that I learned what.

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<v Speaker 1>A kind, strong god he is.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I learned to peel off my emotional spanks

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<v Speaker 3>and say, Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you.

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I need you every hour. I need you. Do

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 3>you want to get well?

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>How well do you want to get?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he had to leave this place of comfort and honor,

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<v Speaker 3>and I bet you he thought, how am I going

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<v Speaker 3>to provide.

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>For my kids? Now?

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 3>For thirty eight years, I knew who I was. I

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<v Speaker 3>got pretty comfortable using my arms in my brain. If

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I walk behind him, everything is changing.

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of questions if I can be so old bold.

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking old because I feel like I'm your nana.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you trust Jesus enough to become solely dependent on him? Y'all?

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<v Speaker 3>I have to answer these, but I want you to

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 3>think about him. Is being his beloved more important to

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<v Speaker 3>you than being a husband, a wife, your bestie's first call,

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 3>your children's parent, your company's CEO or volunteer the year?

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Is Jesus a high life right in your story? Or

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<v Speaker 3>is he the sole author? Which is more important to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Comfort or healing. Intentional dependency is not an option for

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<v Speaker 3>healthy christ followers. Deep intimacy with Jesus requires conscious neediness.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as this fella in John five said I

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<v Speaker 3>can't heal myself, Jesus said, take up your mountain walk.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have to go to the water.

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<v Speaker 3>He had to acknowledge I'm sick and I can't heal myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all, let me tell you this from experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Hands you can have stage four emotional cancer and come

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<v Speaker 3>to church and raise your hands and sing the songs.

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 1>And nobody knows you're sick because I did it.

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<v Speaker 3>For a long time. I did it, and the questions

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 3>in my head were.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this all? Is this all there is? Is this

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<v Speaker 1>all there is?

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<v Speaker 3>And I knew I was posing, but I was scared

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<v Speaker 3>to death. One of y'all would look under the hood

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 3>of my life and say, she's sick. Yeah, apart from Jesus,

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<v Speaker 3>I am the sickest one of the lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Apart from Jesus, I have no hope.

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Apart from Jesus, I will hurl sausage biscuits every single morning.

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Apart from Jesus, I can't carry the weight of my

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 3>own life. I want to be so increasingly dependent on

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 3>Jesus that I can't get out of bed without saying

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 3>his name. And you know what that does for my

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 3>relationship with you? It lets you off the hook. Then

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 3>I can just be your friend. Then I can be

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 3>your mom. But I'm not looking to you from my identity.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking to you as brothers and as sisters. But

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<v Speaker 3>I've taken y'all off the cross. We've got to learn

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<v Speaker 3>what it is to be interdependent with each other as family,

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 3>as community, and solely dependent on Jesus. Chris and the

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<v Speaker 3>worship team are to come back up and just usher

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<v Speaker 3>us into the waiting arms of God. But if I

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<v Speaker 3>can be. Is it okay if I just act like

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 3>your old nana for another minute or two. The thing

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 3>I love about being sixty one is man I can

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 3>hug like a boss. And now I hug everybody and

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 3>it's not sexual. Big old boys, little bitty girl. It's

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:06.840
<v Speaker 3>fun to be like a gorilla hugger. I'm going to

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 3>ask y'all to stand up as a family. And again,

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:16.280
<v Speaker 3>I know, as a as an undeserved guest in this house,

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<v Speaker 3>I have not earned the right to ask you such

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 3>an honest question, and so thank you forgive me the

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 3>grace to do so and bearing with me. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you resonated maybe a little bit with me, maybe when

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 3>you were a kid, you weren't cared for the way

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 3>God designed you to be cared for, and so you

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 3>learned to take care of yourself as a survival skill.

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:49.720
<v Speaker 1>That too, is God's gift.

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 3>It's just when we carry it into adulthood, it can

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 3>become armament that puts distance between us and others, and distance.

0:38:57.920 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Between us and God.

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<v Speaker 3>If you consider yourself to be independent, self reliant, and

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 3>the Holy Spirit is whispering right now, you've done a

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 3>little bit too much of that with Jesus.

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>You've got to learn how to be needy with Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you just sit down wherever you are. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus for those of you.

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:43.359
<v Speaker 3>Who had to take care of yourselves because nobody else did.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you had a dad who left, or a mom

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<v Speaker 3>who didn't hug, or a spouse who hit. I'm so

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 3>sorry that that was a reality for you. As a

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<v Speaker 3>child of God. I want to remind you you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to be strong with him. Your weakness he actually

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 3>transforms into strength. That doesn't mean victimhood. That means I

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 3>don't have to be scared because He's already assured the victory.

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:16.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't have to pretend I'm something I'm not because

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 3>he says I'm beautifully and wonderfully made. Perfection is overrated,

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 3>he says, come as you are and I'll clean you up.

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<v Speaker 3>Those of you who are standing, can I encourage you

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<v Speaker 3>as they lead us in worship, and then we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to have a closing prayer. Can I encourage you to

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<v Speaker 3>just scoot over by one of those saints around you,

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<v Speaker 3>one of those brothers or sisters in the faith, and

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.359
<v Speaker 3>lay hands on them. If this is your first time

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<v Speaker 3>at elevation that might not be in your comfort zone.

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<v Speaker 3>But again we're elevating heat, elevating healing over comfort. This morning,

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<v Speaker 3>would you just reach over and put your hand on

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<v Speaker 3>a saint and just pray for him. Pray that even

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 3>in this moment of such beautiful honesty, they would recognize

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<v Speaker 3>the nearness of God, that they'd recognize that His grace

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 3>really is sufficient for us, That they'd have the same

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 3>grace that this gentleman did in John's gospel when he said, I.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't heal myself. I need you Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all we have to confess, y'all. That is the

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 3>gateway to intimacy with Jesus is to say I need you.

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 3>I needed you for salvation and I still need you.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus. You are my breath.

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 3>I can't breathe without you. You are my hope.

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I have no hope in my heart without you. You

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>are my peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Apart from you, Jesus, I have too much anxiety. I

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 3>need you. Oh, I need you. I need you every hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for joining us. Special thanks to those of

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