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Speaker 2: Second hour Clay end Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll be joined later this hour by Matt Walsh, who

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Speaker 2: was in front of the Supreme Court yesterday. Daily Wire host,

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Speaker 2: a guy who has been on the forefront of the

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Speaker 2: protection of children against the trend agenda machinery.

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Speaker 1: You know, big Supreme Court oral arguments heard yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We played some of the just most outrageous stuff, you know,

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Speaker 2: just as Soda Mayor, who is a shockingly stupid.

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Speaker 1: Person to be sitting on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: And I really mean that, just not intellectually capable of

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Speaker 2: understanding high level legal concepts or I think, really any concepts,

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Speaker 2: thinking that it's a worthwhile comparison to say, well, there's

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Speaker 2: risks for taking aspirin, just like there's risks for cutting

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Speaker 2: off your genitals or taking puberty blockers.

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Speaker 1: As a adolescent.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how anybody could think well of Soda

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Speaker 2: Mayor's capabilities after that. Also, Jie Brown Jackson had some

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Speaker 2: very stupid things to say that not things that I

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Speaker 2: just disagree with, things that I honestly and truly believe

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Speaker 2: are just just not not clear thinking, not high level thinking,

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Speaker 2: dumb how about that?

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Speaker 1: Just dumb things to say.

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Speaker 2: But we'll get into that with Matt here coming up

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Speaker 2: in a few minutes. Something else that's perhaps going to

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Speaker 2: come to a conclusion, at least something of a conclusion

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Speaker 2: here is the Daniel Penny case. And there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of a lot of New Yorker's eyes on this, but

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Speaker 2: also across the country because it is symbolic to many

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Speaker 2: people of what we have been subjected to. And I

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Speaker 2: was for many decades subjected well, things were okay, and

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Speaker 2: or Giuliani and then Bloomberg, but I'm for many years,

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Speaker 2: let's put it that way, the decay of law and

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Speaker 2: often by Soros backed prosecutors to decide that law and

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Speaker 2: true social justice means there's just got to be some

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Speaker 2: more rapes and more murders, some more horrible things happening.

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Speaker 2: And that's the price we pay as a society, often

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Speaker 2: because we have to pay a price to atone for

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Speaker 2: historical racism. And so the justice systems demographics or the

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Speaker 2: prison systems demographics are alone reason to not incarcerate people

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Speaker 2: for serious offenses. This is their argument. This is what

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Speaker 2: abolished prisons is all about. This is what defund police

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Speaker 2: is all about. You have in the Daniel Penny case

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Speaker 2: a Manhattan Assistant District attorney named dafna Uron. She has

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Speaker 2: clip of her describing a case where.

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Speaker 1: A man murdered an elderly man in the.

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Speaker 2: Course of trying to rob him outside rob him at

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Speaker 2: a ATM machine. Okay, so he's taking out some cash.

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Speaker 2: I believe the man was in his eighties and he

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Speaker 2: is physically assaulted, hits the ground, dies because of it.

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Speaker 2: And Daphni Yoran, the ada on the Daniel Penny case

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Speaker 2: now leading it, was wanting to tell everybody how sympathetic

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Speaker 2: she was for the man who committed the robbery and

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Speaker 2: murdered the elderly, helpless individual.

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Speaker 3: This is nineteen I had a murder case where the

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Speaker 3: defendant did not intentionally kill the victim. He went into

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately it was an older individual.

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Speaker 3: He was eighty six, and in the course of the robbery,

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Speaker 3: he fell to the ground as a result, he died.

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Speaker 3: This is, under the law, a felony murder, which is

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Speaker 3: akin to intentional murder. However, when I first got the case,

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't about who done it. Knew immediately who

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Speaker 3: It was that the more I learned about the defendant

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Speaker 2: She was bragging about getting a light sentence for a

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Speaker 2: it's when you're eighty seven, you're effectively helpless like a

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Speaker 2: baby would be helpless. Okay, there's a reason why elder

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Speaker 2: abuse is a real thing, and this Ada is bragging

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Speaker 2: is the problem with identity politics in all facets, but

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Speaker 2: in particular when it comes to the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 2: You can't make a decision about guilt or innocence or

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Speaker 2: or the identity politics related considerations at play. Yet this

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Speaker 2: clear in so many ways and it was disgusting. But

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Speaker 2: to Israel tomorrow tonight? How do you think the response

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Speaker 2: hostages were black, female lesbians as opposed to Jewish individuals.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you would have to say this, but

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Speaker 2: I think they would have gotten far more support Fromjoe

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Speaker 2: be home instead. They've been mostly ignored. You say, Okay, Clay,

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Speaker 2: what's your precedent for that. Britney Griner actually committed a crime.

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Speaker 2: She had drugs in Russia, the WNBA player, and because

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Speaker 2: a crime in Russia, the political pressure on Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: because of identity politics, to get her back was such

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Speaker 2: that she got back before many innocent people who've done

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong. If these individuals in Gaza were black Lesbians,

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Speaker 2: they probably would be back home now because the Democrat

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Speaker 2: What is it five of them? I think are still

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Speaker 2: Trump said the hostages should get back or they would

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Speaker 2: basically be hell to pay. But how is it taken

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Speaker 2: to the point where we're sitting here sixteen months later

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Speaker 2: And look, here's an easy question for you on the

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Speaker 2: Daniel Penny case. If Daniel Penny had been black and

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Speaker 2: the homeless person had been white, this case would have

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Speaker 2: you that if you just flip the races here for

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Speaker 2: Here's another data point in this conversation, Clay, that is

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Speaker 2: closer geographically to your AO, Memphis. This is the ape

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Speaker 2: yesterday Memphis police use excessive force and discriminate against black people,

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Speaker 2: the Justice Department, of course, the Biden Justice Department finds

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Speaker 2: in a pro launch after Tyree Nichols death. I read

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Speaker 5: That is what.

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Speaker 2: The Memphis Police department is systemically racist. That is what

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Speaker 2: the DOJ is telling you. The Memphis Police Department is

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Speaker 2: I think that's relevant if the top leadership of the

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Speaker 2: I believe a majority of residents yes the city of Memphis,

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Speaker 1: But the story is about racism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm just I just want to know, are

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Speaker 1: Go, oh my gosh, Memphis police are so racist, and

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Speaker 1: Tyree Nichols didn't become a bigger thing.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it here because all five of the

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Speaker 2: cops who beat him to death were black.

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Speaker 1: So what there were no marches, there were no vigils.

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Speaker 1: Nobody seemed to care. It's correct.

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Speaker 2: And actually, if you were deciding which victim of police

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Speaker 2: it actually be Tyree Nichols compared to George Floyd. Tyree Nichols.

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Speaker 2: If you watch the videos, Tyree Nichols did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't a criminal history of Tyree Nichols being a

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's up there with the Daniel Shaver Daniel

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Speaker 1: All know why. We all know why.

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Speaker 2: If if five white guys had done to Tyree Nichols

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I could, if I were the governor

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Speaker 1: I mean, believe it or not, the guy already sis

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think.

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Speaker 2: are we supposed to believe. Derek Chauven was like, I'm

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Speaker 2: because I'm a racist. I want to throw my whole

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Speaker 2: the way, the reason we're having this conversation obviously is

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Speaker 2: because the Daniel Penny case is to the jury right now.

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Speaker 2: I hope this jury, even in New York City, rejects

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Speaker 2: to me, there clearly is as it pertains these charges.

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Speaker 2: But I do think it's important to point out again

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Speaker 2: I think that's the word that should be used. It

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Speaker 2: And I think you've seen more and more data to

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Speaker 2: You know, if you have a major artery blocked, it's

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Speaker 2: Oor compared taking aspirin to transsurgery for miners.

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Speaker 5: So it becomes a pure exercise of weighing benefits versus risk,

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Counselor. Every medical treatment has a risk, even

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's what I would say about this, And

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Speaker 1: But they tried it. That's important.

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Speaker 2: Let's play cut one here, because they try to bully

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Speaker 7: On page one ninety five for the CAST report, it

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Speaker 8: no evidence in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide.

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Speaker 8: And the reason for that is completed suicide. Thankfully, and

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Speaker 8: admittedly it is rare, and we're talking about a very

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Speaker 8: small population of individuals with studies that don't necessarily have

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Speaker 8: completed suicides within them. However, there are multiple studies, long term,

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Speaker 8: longitudinal studies that do show that there is a reduction

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Speaker 8: in suicidality, which I think is a positive outcome to

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Speaker 8: this treatment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is important. She's trying, he's trying. Whatever the

448
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Speaker 2: heck that person is who's arguing is trying to argue

449
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Speaker 2: completed suicide, which is by the way, suicide, you know,

450
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Speaker 2: like suicide means you kill yourself. Hey, you don't need

451
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Speaker 2: to add the verb completed in front of it, right,

452
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Speaker 2: we know what suicide is. Argument that they try to

453
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Speaker 2: emotionally blackmail parents with is actually not supported by the

454
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Speaker 2: data at all, and therefore I think this is important.

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Speaker 2: The question that really should be asked on a hypothetical

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Speaker 2: nature of parents is what if your fourteen year old

457
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Speaker 2: changes their mind, can no longer have kids, and you

458
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Speaker 2: have permanently sterilized your child. That seems like a question

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Speaker 2: that parents should have to grapple with as they make

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Speaker 2: decisions about treatments like these. Well, I think that that's

461
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Speaker 2: unfortunately part of the strategy of this movement, which is

462
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Speaker 2: to really not just encourage, but bully, cajole and brainwash

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Speaker 2: as many parents as possible into doing this, because then

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Speaker 2: you have people who will be committed to I did

465
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Speaker 2: the right thing, because the alternative to I did the

466
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Speaker 2: right thing when you're talking about you know, the top surgery,

467
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Speaker 2: bottom surgery, these extreme procedures, or even just the hormonal blockers,

468
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Speaker 2: the alternative to I did the right thing is too

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Speaker 2: horrifying for I think a lot of parents to even

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Speaker 2: psychologically be able to contemplate. So you're creating by pushing

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Speaker 2: as many parents as possible into this, now you're creating,

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Speaker 2: effectively a movement of political foot soldiers down the line,

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Speaker 2: because parents aren't going to I mean some will, but

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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly they're going to want to believe I did what

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Speaker 2: I did, what the doctors told me, I did what

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Speaker 2: you know, the New York Times told me. I did

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Speaker 2: what the experts told me, And they're going to want

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Speaker 2: to fall back on that no matter what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You saw that, by the way, on a much lesser issue,

480
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Speaker 2: but with a lot of the COVID stuff too. Well,

481
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Speaker 2: I just did what the experts said, so I have

482
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Speaker 2: no agency in the bad outcome and the craziness of

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Speaker 2: what happened. And let me play this for you too,

484
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Speaker 2: and we'll play well, maybe we'll be able to play

485
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Speaker 2: both these because I do think that Matt Walsh, by

486
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Speaker 2: the way, is going to join us in the third hour. Now.

487
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Speaker 2: He's in a car with horrible service, so he didn't

488
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Speaker 2: want to put him on, and you guys now be

489
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Speaker 2: able to hear him. Katanji Brown Jackson. These are two

490
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Speaker 2: clips that to me demonstrate that Katanji Brown Jackson has

491
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Speaker 2: either not done basic research or is not intelligent enough

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Speaker 2: to be a Supreme Court justice. Neither of these are ideal.

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Speaker 2: I guess there's a third option, which is see she

494
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Speaker 2: is such a part as an hack that she doesn't

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Speaker 2: even care about the job of being a justice. But

496
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Speaker 2: here she says there's no difference between giving testosterone to

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Speaker 2: boys or girls. This is her argument. Listen to cut three.

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Speaker 5: If you give a boy with the deficiency testosterone because

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Speaker 5: he has constitutional delayed puberty that allows him to go

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Speaker 5: through and develop the reproductive organs associated with being a male,

501
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Speaker 5: if you give it to a girl, it renders the

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Speaker 5: girl infertile, So we have to twelve year olds.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: I thought your reasons for them being different was that

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Speaker 9: you said they were different different purposes. I'd heard you

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Speaker 9: say at the beginning, the reason those two are different

507
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Speaker 9: is because one wants them to transition and the other

508
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Speaker 9: wants them for some medical purpose.

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Speaker 5: Well, to go back to my example in the introduction,

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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone would say using morphine to assist

511
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Speaker 5: suicide is the same time treatment as using morphine to

512
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Speaker 5: manage pain. It's the same drug, just like it's the

513
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Speaker 5: same drug here, but they're being used for fundamentally different purposes.

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Speaker 5: They have different effects on the body.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well done, by the way, Yes, I mean

516
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Speaker 2: just got smoke there. What an idiotic argument that she's

517
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Speaker 2: trying to make with this. Of course, it's different to

518
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Speaker 2: what I kept saying about body identity integrity disorder. There's

519
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Speaker 2: a difference between amputate my arm because it has ganggreen

520
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Speaker 2: and it's going to infect the rest of my body

521
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Speaker 2: and kill me, which obviously is a horrible situation, but

522
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Speaker 2: that can happen, and amputate my arm because I think

523
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Speaker 2: I would be happier without it. This is a real

524
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: psychiatric condition. They cannot hide from this truth. There are

525
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Speaker 2: people who are absolutely convinced that they should have limbs removed,

526
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Speaker 2: and all they want our doctors to help them do it.

527
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Speaker 2: And then that wasn't even the worst question from Katanji

528
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Speaker 2: Brown Jackson Buck. I want to play this one again

529
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Speaker 2: from yesterday. She tries to compare restricting minor children from

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Speaker 2: being given trans treatments to not allowing interracial marriage.

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Speaker 9: Listen, the question was whether it was discriminatory because it

532
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Speaker 9: applied to both races, and it wasn't necessarily invidious or whatever.

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Speaker 9: But you know, as I read the statute here, excuse me,

534
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Speaker 9: the case here. You know, the court starts off by

535
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Speaker 9: saying that Virginia is now one of sixteen states which

536
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Speaker 9: prohibit and punished marriages on the basis of racial classifications.

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Speaker 9: And when you look at the structure of that law,

538
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Speaker 9: it looks in terms of incontinuing you can't do something

539
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Speaker 9: that is inconsistent with your own characteristics. It's sort of

540
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Speaker 9: the same thing. So it's interesting to me that we

541
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Speaker 9: now have this different argument, and I wonder whether Virginia

542
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Speaker 9: could have gotten away with what they did here by

543
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Speaker 9: just making a classification argument the way that Tennessee is

544
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Speaker 9: in this case.

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Speaker 1: I mean buck.

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Speaker 2: First of all, every state, as we said yesterday, has

547
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Speaker 2: marriage age laws. You can't marriage a twelve year old

548
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Speaker 2: to another twelve year old, or twelve year old thankfully

549
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Speaker 2: to like a forty five year old. I mean that

550
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: would be beyond the pay. So there are limits on

551
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Speaker 2: constitutional rights even inside of states. But the idea that

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Speaker 2: you would try to analogize what Tennessee is trying to

553
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: do to protect miners. Miners can't vote until they're eighteen.

554
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Speaker 2: They can't drink until they're twenty one. Many miners can't

555
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Speaker 2: rent a car in their own name until they're twenty five.

556
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Speaker 2: That's not even being a minor, right, That's all these

557
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: different age restrictions. This is commonplace. We don't treat people

558
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Speaker 2: who commit crimes at fourteen the same as we do

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Speaker 2: at eighteen, with the idea being that mines develop at

560
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Speaker 2: different rates and that juveniles are uniquely uniquely necessary for

561
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Speaker 2: protection because they're to develop mental abilities. In terms of

562
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: mental processes are not all there. This is bonkers. And

563
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Speaker 2: again she's either too dumb for the job or she

564
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: is such a crazy left wing zealot that she's lost

565
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Speaker 2: all function of common sense and even legal reasoning. Neither

566
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Speaker 2: one of those are good. Both suggest she isn't qualified

567
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Speaker 2: for this job.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Also, the ultimate, the ultimate ends of this, which is

570
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Speaker 2: which I understand is crazy but everyone has to understand this,

571
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Speaker 2: is that there's no difference between men and women. Yes,

572
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: that the law, the law is in the law is

573
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: not allowed to make any distinctions between men and women.

574
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Speaker 2: That is the ultimate ends of their logic. Because you

575
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: can just say I am the other and have to

576
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: be treated as the other for all legal purposes. That

577
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: means it's the end actually of the separation of men

578
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Speaker 2: and women by any form whatsoever in law, which is

579
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Speaker 2: horrible for women. Let me just add, absolutely terrible. I

580
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: don't believe Buck, I should be on the Supreme Court.

581
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: I have a law degree. Technically I could be on

582
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Play with all the humility that is humility. Look at

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Speaker 1: this now, I'm going to go on the flip side.

585
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: I would be a better Supreme Court justice and do

586
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Speaker 2: a better job than Sodo Mayor in Katanji Brown Jackson,

587
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: I have no business being on the Supreme Court. I've

588
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: not studied the law for my entire life. I've not

589
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: been a judge in the past. I would do a

590
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: better job of questioning and a better job as a

591
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court justice than Katanji Brown Jackson and Soda Mayor

592
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: are doing right now. And again, I have no business

593
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: being there. I'm not saying I deserve to be there.

594
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying that's how bad they are. That's the reality.

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Speaker 2: And every time we have one of these oral arguments,

596
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Speaker 2: I think they get exposed. Remember Buck, they can hire

597
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: super smart law students and clerks to opinions. Yeah, of

598
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: course they don't have to do it. The work is

599
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: all there, and the lawyers are brilliant. They're drafting basically

600
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Speaker 2: the opinions for them as a part of their arguments.

601
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Speaker 2: So this job is really just about what kind of

602
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Speaker 2: judgment do you have when it comes to analyzing really

603
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Speaker 2: difficult decisions. I don't think they have the wherewithal legally

604
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Speaker 2: to be able to do this job at a high level,

605
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Speaker 2: and I think every time there's an oral argument, they

606
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Speaker 2: get more exposed. Look, I'm headed to Israel tonight, long flight,

607
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Speaker 2: Commi's pocket. Put it in one that supports your values.

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Speaker 2: Let's continue to grow it. We come back, Buck. We're

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Speaker 2: going to dive in a little bit more eventually talking

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Speaker 2: about Wallash scheduled. We'll see if we can get on

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Speaker 2: a good phone line. But they're about to have a

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Speaker 2: press conference a speaker Johnson on Capitol Hill meeting with

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami as they try to create

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Speaker 2: more efficiency in government. Some of the numbers that are

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Speaker 2: out there are staggering in terms of how much actual

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Speaker 2: work federal government employees do. It's actually worse than I thought,

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Speaker 2: and I thought it was really bad having worked in

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Speaker 2: the federal government, but man, it's crazy. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: give you some of those numbers when we come back.

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Speaker 2: We'll also let Buck react to his boy Joe Scarborough,

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Speaker 2: absolutely losing his mind and screaming at his audience this

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Speaker 2: morning as MSNBC continues to collapse. Plus Jury continues deliberations

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Speaker 2: in New York City, and they're trying to track down

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Speaker 2: the man who basically assassinated in cold blood an insurance

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Speaker 2: executive on the streets outside of a midtown Manhattan hotel,

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Speaker 2: right outside of this studio in New York where I

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Speaker 2: am right now. All that more will break it down

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Speaker 2: for you. Third hour, Clay and Buck headed your way,

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Speaker 2: nasty