Speaker 1: I tell my kids all the time, you never have
Speaker 1: to work a day in your life if you love what
Speaker 1: you do. And I truly love what I do. Since
Speaker 1: I became a working actor, I've never had to go
Speaker 1: to work.
Speaker 2: If you are one of the many millions of people
Speaker 2: who watched the Netflix hit show House of Cards, you
Speaker 2: are familiar with Michael Kelly and his arresting performance as
Speaker 2: Doug Stamper. The prolific actor captivated audience in that role
Speaker 2: and many others Man in The Moon, changelingk Jack Ryan,
Speaker 2: and recently in the Lioness special ops on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 2: I've been watching it all night long in preparation for
Speaker 2: this particular interview, and I must say it is mind
Speaker 2: boggling good. Michael's joining me at my home in Bedford
Speaker 2: to talk about his acting career and the man behind
Speaker 2: the screen. Welcome to my podcast, Michael.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to have you here. Was a smiley guy.
Speaker 2: Is nothing like.
Speaker 3: The parts he plays.
Speaker 2: He's really friendly, and he's really handsome, and he's really athletic,
Speaker 2: and he's really fast moving and when you see him
Speaker 2: in some of his performances, you are scared to death. Now,
Speaker 2: do you ever play your parts in real life? Do
Speaker 2: you ever have to call off one of those actors?
Speaker 3: I wish, you know, I wish that I could.
Speaker 1: I guess Jack Ryan, I get to be a little
Speaker 1: bit closer to myself, right John, And we sort of
Speaker 1: had that happen over the course of the three seasons
Speaker 1: that I was in. But no, I always always, I
Speaker 1: always joked and I'm like, I have teeth, like you know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know it by watching me and all these shows,
Speaker 1: you know it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've tried going out with some actors in
Speaker 2: the past and their parts scare me, some of them,
Speaker 2: and most notably was the man who played Hannibal lecture,
Speaker 2: Is that right? And I couldn't. I couldn't get past
Speaker 2: the horrible lecture.
Speaker 3: That's a specifically tough one.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 3: You're like, I can't snuggle with you.
Speaker 2: So your newest show Lioness, But when you look it up,
Speaker 2: it's the Lioness Special Ops because there is another show
Speaker 2: called Lionis. It's very confusing.
Speaker 1: Well because season one we were Special Opps Lioness, and
Speaker 1: now for season two that we are currently filming, they've
Speaker 1: officially changed the name to Lioness.
Speaker 2: It's about a group of very tough female CIA agents
Speaker 2: and I'm telling you it's frightening. Are there really agents
Speaker 2: like those women out there?
Speaker 1: This is based on a real program. It is, it is,
Speaker 1: And when I read it, I couldn't believe it. I
Speaker 1: was I was like, you know, as an actor, you
Speaker 1: put yourself out there and there's cameras and then they
Speaker 1: say cut and you go home for the day. And
Speaker 1: these people are living a lie twenty four hours a
Speaker 1: day and if they mess up their lines, they die, yes.
Speaker 2: And they's made very clear constantly by the leaders in
Speaker 2: this lion This special ops that you're going to kill
Speaker 2: a whole lot more people if you fail in your operation.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Taylor Sheridan is the showrunner, and this series is typical
Speaker 2: of his shows, intense drama, lots of action, and a
Speaker 2: lot gory. I was gonna say a little gory. It's
Speaker 2: a lot gory that those first two episodes of season
Speaker 2: one are frightening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the way it get by the end,
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh my god. You know, I think
Speaker 1: it's what Taylor does so well though, Right, Taylor Sheridan
Speaker 1: is he writes incredible drama that everyone can relate.
Speaker 2: To right, an incredible dialogue and incredible and gets incredible
Speaker 2: actors to be in these works of art. Really, because
Speaker 2: I love your part. You don't have a real big part,
Speaker 2: but does get bigger in the second Yes, yes it does.
Speaker 3: It does in the second season.
Speaker 2: And you're filming it now.
Speaker 1: We are currently filming and we're in Texas and Fort Worth.
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, so Taylor's got two or three hundred thousand acres.
Speaker 1: They're in Texas, the four Sixes ranch, and so I
Speaker 1: think some of it we filmed there. Some of it
Speaker 1: is on stages that were that were on there and
Speaker 1: in about Texas because this season, the thread comes out
Speaker 1: all of that are real, real, Like boy, I was
Speaker 1: just watching foot they were I was on set and
Speaker 1: one of the producers pulled me aside and said, oh
Speaker 1: my god, look at this. Look at this. Some of
Speaker 1: the footage we got The other day. I saw a
Speaker 1: helicopter fly at sixty miles an hour and come within
Speaker 1: a foot of the ground in a sweeping movie.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, oh my god, I can
Speaker 3: look like a Michael Bay movie. I was like, what
Speaker 3: do we making?
Speaker 2: These are not just stuntman, these are real professionals, the
Speaker 2: best of the best.
Speaker 4: Taylor gets the best of the best, the best horses,
Speaker 4: the best. Everything incredibly interesting. And and Nicole Kidman, Oh,
Speaker 4: what a surprise for It's so fantastic. And and you
Speaker 4: play who.
Speaker 3: I play the deputy director of the CIA.
Speaker 2: And tough all the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: In the second season, we go home with my character
Speaker 1: for the first time, which is very interesting. You go
Speaker 1: home with the women in the first season, and they
Speaker 1: had it a little bit for me this season. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see these men and women. And I
Speaker 1: think what Taota so well on the show is that
Speaker 1: you see them at home and then you see their
Speaker 1: life in the CIA, and how those two forces are
Speaker 1: constantly pulling against one another, and how difficult it is
Speaker 1: to be in these positions.
Speaker 2: Of and how it does affect the families. Of course,
Speaker 2: because Zoe's hold on her part. She plays the tough,
Speaker 2: she's like the leader of.
Speaker 1: The gang's and she's on the field she you know,
Speaker 1: she's a real she.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the way she treats her underlings is pretty violent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that they have to take it is really amazing,
Speaker 2: and that they come to work. It's pretty are you amazing?
Speaker 1: Do you know that this is interesting? I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember the woman Joe Wagner is the actress,
Speaker 1: and she's this beautiful actress but she plays a really
Speaker 1: tough special.
Speaker 3: Ops girl in one here.
Speaker 2: So what's her name?
Speaker 3: Joe Wagner?
Speaker 1: And if you google Joe Wagner, you'll look up a
Speaker 1: picture of him and be like, oh my, she's stunning, beautiful, flowing.
Speaker 1: She plays like she's like if you she jokes at
Speaker 1: all times.
Speaker 3: She's like, if you find me attractive, you're gay. Because
Speaker 3: this season she's got like so much muscles and short
Speaker 3: hair and we were laughing about it. But this show.
Speaker 1: Her husband is a special Ops guy. They were talking
Speaker 1: one night drinking wine and she said, tell me a
Speaker 1: cool story and he's like okay, and he tells her
Speaker 1: the story of the Lioness within this Cie and she's like,
Speaker 1: that is a fantastic for show. She's one of the
Speaker 1: producers called Taylor and was like, I have this idea
Speaker 1: for a show and he was like.
Speaker 3: I love it, Let's do it. And she's like wait really.
Speaker 2: And then and then how did Nicole Nicole get into it?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: She was very nic Cole plays she's serious.
Speaker 1: Very high up in the CIA, and the two of
Speaker 1: us our relationship, we've been together for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Nothing can break the bond that the two of us have.
Speaker 1: And so we were just talking two days ago. I
Speaker 1: was on sothern and we were talking about how we
Speaker 1: how much we're loving this relationship and how much we
Speaker 1: want to develop it over the next if we do
Speaker 1: another season, which hopefully we will, that that that bond
Speaker 1: between those two people, they've been together, they came up
Speaker 1: to the CIA together, and that can't be broken. And
Speaker 1: talking those words and Nicole Given, You're like, are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Given? And nicoles make her makeup is so unusual. She
Speaker 2: has a center part on her hair and it's pulled
Speaker 2: back in a little pony jail. She is so tough,
Speaker 2: so tough, and it's so good for her. It's so good.
Speaker 2: So if this conversation between me and my guest Michael
Speaker 2: doesn't cause you to go running to Paramount right now
Speaker 2: and watch this series, you're crazy, because it is really interesting.
Speaker 2: It might be a little bit gory for some of you,
Speaker 2: but stay through it because you learn about something that's
Speaker 2: going on in the world. And might be exaggerated a
Speaker 2: little bit, but I doubt.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, to a certain extent. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: one of Taylor's goals with the show was to show
Speaker 1: the global theater of war, right, and it really does.
Speaker 1: It shows you that some of the things you see
Speaker 1: on television ponds being moved, it's all, it's all very caful.
Speaker 2: House of Cards was equally disturbing, yes, and if that's
Speaker 2: the right word, disturbing. And that went on for quite
Speaker 2: a long time. How many seasons was House of Cards?
Speaker 3: Six? Six years?
Speaker 2: Amazing seven years. I couldn't wait for the next episode.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was really the beginning of this kind
Speaker 2: genre of exciting television.
Speaker 1: It was the first one. It was first original streaming show.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. Back to the writer, Taylor, Taylor Sheridan,
Speaker 2: He's turned out hit show after hit show. Yellowstone. I
Speaker 2: love Yellowstone and that gets a little gory too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, and it's prequels the Mayor of Kingstown. What do
Speaker 2: you think makes the show sell so well and work
Speaker 2: so well.
Speaker 1: I think he knows how to tap into that level
Speaker 1: of drama that we all can identify with.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's something very.
Speaker 1: That that human experience, the way that two people talk
Speaker 1: to one another.
Speaker 3: He just can write it.
Speaker 1: He can write it so well, and but you look
Speaker 1: at the I don't know how he does it. I
Speaker 1: don't know how one man is writing. I think we're
Speaker 1: six or seven hit shows right now, and they're all
Speaker 1: running consecutively.
Speaker 3: And I just saw and land Man with Billy Bob Thornton.
Speaker 2: How is that unreal?
Speaker 3: I just saw the first two episodes. I had a
Speaker 3: screening in Texas.
Speaker 2: It's not on yet. It's not on yet.
Speaker 3: I think it premieres in a month or land Man,
Speaker 3: land Man, and it is.
Speaker 2: And I loved and he hasn't been around for a while.
Speaker 2: I love crazy.
Speaker 3: We were talking for a while and he brought up
Speaker 3: a really good point.
Speaker 1: He said, I think that Los Angeles and New York,
Speaker 1: like most of Taylor shows, are like ah, but the
Speaker 1: rest of the country loves it. And I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I kind of disagree. Like I love Linus,
Speaker 1: I love Man. I've got a phenomenal you know, if
Speaker 1: you just sometimes we can be a little snobby in
Speaker 1: New York and Las.
Speaker 2: One of the best scenes so far is the scene
Speaker 2: where you and Nicole Kidman and Morgan Freeman and Zoey
Speaker 2: Soldanna in the situation room or wherever, wherever the room is.
Speaker 2: What is it like to be in a room with
Speaker 2: these actors behaving like the real politicians of today.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: The first time I went in the room with all
Speaker 1: of them, and then there's also Bruce McGill and Jenniferly
Speaker 1: and the first time I sat down at that table,
Speaker 1: I just it was one of those And I've worked
Speaker 1: with Jim Carrey to Clint Eastwood, I've worked with some
Speaker 1: of the best and the best, but I sat at
Speaker 1: that table and it was one of those moments where
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a.
Speaker 3: Pinch me moment.
Speaker 1: This is really I'm sitting next to Morgan Freeman, sitting
Speaker 1: next to God.
Speaker 2: And it was just like, good in it. He's the
Speaker 2: elder Statesman. Now, where the hell is he? We need
Speaker 2: you guys in the real situation. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: I think a bunch of you, including Taylor's Sheridan, should
Speaker 2: just move to Washington.
Speaker 3: You know it's funny, I hay Over, I tell you I.
Speaker 2: Got very young enough. All of you are young enough.
Speaker 2: How old is Taylor Sheridan?
Speaker 3: He's the same as me. I think right around fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty five.
Speaker 2: Where so why don't why don't you just take over
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: My wife would kill me because I told her, I said,
Speaker 1: I thought about moving back to Georgia and running.
Speaker 2: I'll come in and take care of all of you.
Speaker 2: I'll take care of the White House, and.
Speaker 3: You have a blast on the grounds there. Everyone's fired.
Speaker 3: I'm taking over. It's a mess.
Speaker 2: Have you been to the White House lately?
Speaker 3: It was the last time.
Speaker 2: The last time I was there when it was good,
Speaker 2: the Clintons were just kind of moving out, but it
Speaker 2: was still a beautiful house and then it changed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it really needs help. But it needs help inside
Speaker 2: and inside out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we can.
Speaker 2: Laugh about it, but I'm being very serious.
Speaker 1: I'm from Georgia, right, so I have friends on both
Speaker 1: sides of the aisle. I find myself in the middle
Speaker 1: pretty much, and I'm like the majority of the country's
Speaker 1: in the middle.
Speaker 2: I hope. So, I really truly, truly believe.
Speaker 1: So when you look at the small amount of people
Speaker 1: that actually vote, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: If everybody voted.
Speaker 2: We would be okay.
Speaker 3: We'd be okay.
Speaker 1: And because everyone pretty much feels the same way about everything,
Speaker 1: but all you hear about are the extremes on both sides,
Speaker 1: and that's the unfortunate part I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Doug Stamper, because I think there's going
Speaker 2: to be I think, I think that show is going
Speaker 2: to come right back and we're going to be seeing
Speaker 2: more of more of you as Doug Stamper, right.
Speaker 1: I wish I think, you know, I think that was
Speaker 1: It was one of those ones that it changed my life.
Speaker 1: It changed my career. It was everything that I could
Speaker 1: have ever wished for. It was the greatest gift to
Speaker 1: be given that role as an actor. Unfortunately it went
Speaker 1: out the way it did. And I would say that
Speaker 1: that was Fincher, Lray Mayfield, the casting director, and Bo Willeman.
Speaker 1: The three of them made that because I auditioned for
Speaker 1: every role on the show. Yeah, except for Francis Senderwood,
Speaker 1: he was already cast. But I auditioned for Hammer Schmidt,
Speaker 1: the guy ran the paper. Then they brought me back
Speaker 1: and I read for Lucas the young newspaper reporter, and
Speaker 1: then I went back and read for Corey Stoll's role,
Speaker 1: who was a fellow who died in season one, and
Speaker 1: then I went to a callback with David Fincher and
Speaker 1: Laree Mayfield and it was like forty five minute work session.
Speaker 1: I'm just in heaven because I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm working with David Fincher, you know. And he's like,
Speaker 1: do this, okay, do that, do this, do this this,
Speaker 1: and then at the end he goes, okay, I was
Speaker 1: for two roles. He said, I think you can play.
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I think you could play anybody. But
Speaker 1: I want you to read for somebody else. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: who's left. In my head, I'm just thinking who's left.
Speaker 1: And he's like, he's like, i'll send you the sides
Speaker 1: and you can put it on tape. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll do it now, and he was like, no, I
Speaker 1: promise you. I'm going to watch it. So I go home.
Speaker 1: They send me the size for Stamper. I put myself
Speaker 1: on tape. I went down to New Orleans to film
Speaker 1: now you see me.
Speaker 3: I loved that. Oh my god, so much fun.
Speaker 1: They had the callbacks for House of Cards and I
Speaker 1: couldn't go, and so they're like, don't worry, we're going
Speaker 1: to show your tape.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I am worried. I know it's much
Speaker 3: better to be there in person.
Speaker 1: Anyways, long story short, they showed my tape and I
Speaker 1: remember my manager calling me. I was I'll never forget
Speaker 1: the window I was looking out. I'll never forget exactly
Speaker 1: where I was when my manager called and he said,
Speaker 1: she said, hey, Michael, I have Brian for you. Brian
Speaker 1: jumps on the phone and his dear old friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and he said, he goes and he just picks up
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, Doug, what's up. And I was like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: b it's Michael. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: was looking for Doug Stamper and I was like and
Speaker 1: I just started crying. I was like, oh I got
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's yours, buddy.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, we'll see. To go in with such enthusiasm shows
Speaker 2: that the part so well, because you were you were him,
Speaker 2: you were dog Samper.
Speaker 1: That was just it was so brilliantly written, that role,
Speaker 1: so so gritful.
Speaker 2: So what do you do to yourself to prepare for
Speaker 2: such a creepy character.
Speaker 1: Well, I had studied, funny enough, I had studied political
Speaker 1: science in college Prior to becoming an actor, I was
Speaker 1: studying political science. I wanted to be a lawyer, and
Speaker 1: that was my goal. I fell into acting and that
Speaker 1: changed everything. So I had a pretty good understanding of politics.
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, when I started to
Speaker 1: get some of those early scripts, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a little more difficult, nuanced than I, than I,
Speaker 1: than I than my wealth of knowledge. So I spent
Speaker 1: a good deal of time just really getting into politics.
Speaker 1: And by the time I left House of Cards, I
Speaker 1: was going to the hill and lobbying for seniors and
Speaker 1: meeting with people and like really being active in the
Speaker 1: political environment.
Speaker 3: And I grew to love it, loved it, loved it.
Speaker 2: Now playing CIA agents, politicians and military operaches, what have
Speaker 2: you learned about the political world? How do you do
Speaker 2: research for that? I mean, do you talk to actual editions? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I've and I are they allowed to divulge? They are?
Speaker 1: We actually go to for for Jack Ryan, we actually
Speaker 1: go to the CIA and screen it for them when
Speaker 1: we finish the season to.
Speaker 2: Make sure that you're to say thank you because.
Speaker 1: They help you know, they're helpful, and they love it.
Speaker 3: They love it.
Speaker 2: And have you ever use any of them as as
Speaker 2: seconds or no, no.
Speaker 3: No, they're not gonna. I don't think they can get
Speaker 3: time off the I'm hanging with us on set. But
Speaker 3: it was interesting.
Speaker 2: People love it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah they would because they really they
Speaker 1: they get a real kick out of the show, and
Speaker 1: you know, and they'll tell us when we get something wrong.
Speaker 3: Like in season one, James.
Speaker 1: Greer played incredibly why Wendell Pierce his phone goes off
Speaker 1: in the CIA and he picks up his cell phone.
Speaker 1: He's like hey, and the whole audience laughed, because you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to have your phone in the CIA, Like
Speaker 1: when you go to the CIA as a visitor or
Speaker 1: as some works, you leave it like you do, not
Speaker 1: go on campus with it. So they'll tell us when
Speaker 1: we get something wrong like that. But but other they're
Speaker 1: like it's pretty spot on and and we can when
Speaker 1: we go there for that visit, they say, they give
Speaker 1: us a few different topics and they're like, is there
Speaker 1: anything you want to talk about? And so we can
Speaker 1: collectively go, let's learn about this. And so we we
Speaker 1: sit in a room with eight ten people.
Speaker 2: The writer included, I mean because the race or the
Speaker 2: writer's amaze myself Wendell and then they will tell us
Speaker 2: I was very curious about the fentanyl problem in our country,
Speaker 2: and they bring in the foremost experts in those fields
Speaker 2: and they sit there and have an incredible conversation.
Speaker 1: Where You're just like, Oh, I can't believe what I'm
Speaker 1: learning here. This is incredible and terrifying the same time.
Speaker 2: Is it working with your neighbor John Krasinski the best.
Speaker 1: He's truly become one of my dearest friends. And I'm
Speaker 1: grateful to him because I wouldn't live here if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for him.
Speaker 2: His early parts did not pretend what he's become.
Speaker 1: No, he's It's incredible what he's He's breaking down every wall.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there are actors who've become directors, but
Speaker 1: he is a very successful actor who's become a very
Speaker 1: successful director. And I think as a director he's really
Speaker 1: found his matchier. I think it's his voice. His writing
Speaker 1: is so phenomenal. He's such a great writer.
Speaker 2: What's fun. Yeah, And he and his wife came over
Speaker 2: here to look at the farm because we have a
Speaker 2: mutual friend, Muffin.
Speaker 3: Yes, everybody loves them.
Speaker 2: All connected in Bedford and Katona by this one woman
Speaker 2: Muffined Ambrosio Dowdle and Muffin is our real estate agent,
Speaker 2: and she is the most fabulous person. And and she
Speaker 2: whenever she has any potential buyer, she calls me up
Speaker 2: and says, can we come see the farm? And she
Speaker 2: brings them over and I give a little tour. And
Speaker 2: I have hosted so many interesting people, most of whom
Speaker 2: have bought and lived here now in Bedford, which is
Speaker 2: so great because we have an interesting populace here in
Speaker 2: the in the town.
Speaker 1: And it's just I feel like every day it's getting better.
Speaker 1: Reve opening in town and Duchess opening and now Oho
Speaker 1: has got the news store and masked, and it's like, wow, really,
Speaker 1: you know a few more restaurants will be good to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's now I need to I have to do
Speaker 2: my own Bedford here.
Speaker 3: You do?
Speaker 2: I want you? I want to do please.
Speaker 3: I'm begging you. I'm begging you. I would love it.
Speaker 2: So the Prime video series Jack Ryan, based on Tom
Speaker 2: Clancy's phenomenal novels. Do you spend much time with John
Speaker 2: off the screen? Yeah?
Speaker 3: We even when we're working, like and John's one of
Speaker 3: the most generous.
Speaker 2: When's the next season of coming we're done.
Speaker 3: So we did the four seasons. That's that.
Speaker 1: There's a little talk about maybe doing something else with
Speaker 1: the Jack Ryan property. I hope it comes to fruition
Speaker 1: because I would love to continue that.
Speaker 2: Well, we need the next spy writer. Yet, who's the
Speaker 2: next spy? Who are you looking? Who are you looking at?
Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm just looking. I have pages of
Speaker 2: film roles starting in nineteen ninety eight, Origin of the Species, River,
Speaker 2: Red Man on the Moon, Unbreakable. I mean, so many
Speaker 2: Carlito's way, I mean there's so many. You had just
Speaker 2: been bureau.
Speaker 3: I loved that Emily when I met that was that
Speaker 3: was with Emily. Oh how fantastic and we got on
Speaker 3: so well.
Speaker 2: So outside the Wire, Oh my gosh, these are fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is three pages of hearts. You say, busy,
Speaker 2: how many days a year do you act?
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, when you're doing a series
Speaker 1: like Jack Ryan, it was, you know, six months on
Speaker 1: and then six months off. But typically I would do
Speaker 1: something even in the months off. Like I I I
Speaker 1: tell my kids all the time, you never have to
Speaker 1: work a day in your life if you love what
Speaker 1: you do. And I truly love what I do. I
Speaker 1: have been since I became a working actor. I've never
Speaker 1: had to go to work. I get to go to work.
Speaker 1: And so whenever I can do it that is right
Speaker 1: for me with the people I love or respect or
Speaker 1: you know, I jump right at the opportunity as long
Speaker 1: as I can work it out with the family time.
Speaker 2: And then there are two pages of television. I've done
Speaker 2: four lost life stories, Families and crisis. And then you
Speaker 2: go all the way through the lots of law and orders.
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf that I've met, Dick, and that is that
Speaker 1: is your as an actor in New York City. That
Speaker 1: is your right of passage. You have to do alone.
Speaker 1: You have to be the bad guy. You know, it
Speaker 1: is something you You strive to get that role because
Speaker 1: it's a it's very good.
Speaker 2: Pain makes a friend of mine a long time. He's
Speaker 2: a neighbor in Maine. Oh right, Oh yeah. And I
Speaker 2: was in one special SV with Miss Hargate and she
Speaker 2: was so tough on me. She actually made me scared.
Speaker 3: Were you playing yourself?
Speaker 2: I was? I was playing. I was playing the headmistress
Speaker 2: of a of a private school on Fifth Avenue, and
Speaker 2: they and they were questioning me, and I started to
Speaker 2: sweat a little bit because they very good. They are
Speaker 2: very good at their interrogation.
Speaker 3: Totally believe me.
Speaker 1: I was if you see my name credit on sv you,
Speaker 1: I was always being interrogating because I was always guy.
Speaker 2: He's always the bad guy so many parts. It's so
Speaker 2: fun and pantheon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a neat little That was a really
Speaker 1: cool animated project.
Speaker 3: Dane to Han and for guests, some of the.
Speaker 2: Folks and the Angry Mande.
Speaker 3: It was such a weird little thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it literally took hup no time because his voiceover,
Speaker 1: you're just voicing the animated characters.
Speaker 2: What was the Komy rule? Like?
Speaker 1: That was great because I mean Jeff Daniels uh played
Speaker 1: Komy and Brendan Gleeson played Trump and that was.
Speaker 2: Does it go through when he gets fired?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yeah, it takes you right through that.
Speaker 2: Whole I have a relationship with mister do you Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know the one who prosecuted me.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did not know that, so I do not
Speaker 2: like mister Comy. I was very glad I am going
Speaker 2: to watch it, Is that right?
Speaker 3: That's who?
Speaker 2: Yes, he's a bad guy and look what he did
Speaker 2: to Hillary. You know he did bad things.
Speaker 1: There is without a doubt what he did influence that election.
Speaker 1: And I'm not being political that he did true. And
Speaker 1: you watched this show and you're just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how did all this happen? That's how it's happened.
Speaker 2: I can be funneled down to a few, and he's
Speaker 2: one of them. That's very distressing. And you hear his
Speaker 2: who did you play that? Right?
Speaker 1: I played Andrew McCain. Oh okay, that was such a treat.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was such a treat to get to
Speaker 1: tell that story. Because Billy Ray, the writer of that,
Speaker 1: who wrote many things from Captain Phillips, He's just a
Speaker 1: phenomenal writer and director. He wrote and directed this and
Speaker 1: he cares. He's so political, and he cares so much.
Speaker 2: And we're so lucky that we have such amazing television
Speaker 2: and such an amazing film industry because you guys entertain
Speaker 2: us forever and ever. No, it's wonderful.
Speaker 3: It really I feel very forun to be a part
Speaker 3: of it at.
Speaker 2: This time, and that you have been able to play
Speaker 2: so many diverse parts is something that not all actors
Speaker 2: get to do. I mean, it's really an incredible opportunity.
Speaker 2: What else do you want to play? I what's on
Speaker 2: your bucket list?
Speaker 1: So I you know, it's funny. I was talking to
Speaker 1: Taylor about this. I was like, I want to play.
Speaker 1: I'm from the South.
Speaker 3: I grew up. They beat the accent out of me.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Georgia school and I can get
Speaker 1: right on back, right back to my accident real quick.
Speaker 1: But it's it's something I've wanted to do. And now
Speaker 1: with lamb Man, I pitched him. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe Billy Bob's got a brother, just saying, be pretty
Speaker 1: cool if he did. And I was like, even if
Speaker 1: it's not that I want to play, you know something
Speaker 1: dirty southern, you know, just not.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of times I have on the
Speaker 3: suit and tie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they offer me Jack Ryan, I was like,
Speaker 1: as long as I'm not to wear a suit and
Speaker 1: tie every day, and so season one or season two
Speaker 1: that when I joined them, I was still on House
Speaker 1: of Cards in season one too. When I joined them,
Speaker 1: every day I was suit and tie. By the end
Speaker 1: of two I was out of suit and tie, and
Speaker 1: three or.
Speaker 3: Four you never.
Speaker 2: Off.
Speaker 3: I'm off the rails.
Speaker 1: A lot of times I wear the suit and tie
Speaker 1: and it's nice when I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I can play.
Speaker 2: You can be a cowboy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this ranch.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so nice to chat with you, talk with you,
Speaker 2: and it's uh and it's so nice that you're a neighbor.
Speaker 2: It is so nice that you live in town and
Speaker 2: we can see you, get glimpses of you every now
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 3: It is always, and.
Speaker 2: Anytime you need any advice about gardening, just come on over.
Speaker 2: I will be happy to share experiences with you. But
Speaker 2: good luck and the rest of your phenomenal career.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you what a pleasure, and thank you
Speaker 1: so much for having me