WEBVTT - Ep. 91: Bear Grease [Render] - Mud and Foggy Newcomb, Elvis and Tecumseh

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>production of the bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease

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<v Speaker 1>Render where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by

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<v Speaker 1>f HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing

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<v Speaker 1>gear that's designed to be as rugged as the places

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<v Speaker 1>we explore. I'm like, you say something announcement Grease Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be appropriate to describe our external

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<v Speaker 1>environment today when I walked, when I took the long

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<v Speaker 1>track from our house and see the World Headquarters or

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<v Speaker 1>also known as me Either South Um. I it was slick,

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<v Speaker 1>there was active sleep, ice fawling, and for Arkansas, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes about well none of that for us to

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<v Speaker 1>cancel today bright and early, because yeah, because it was

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<v Speaker 1>misty outside, and I thought it was a good call.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a misty in here, oh, I think, And so

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It's just really, really, really bad, bad icy weather.

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<v Speaker 1>I just came back from Mexico last week and when

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<v Speaker 1>I got home from Mexico, on the way home, there

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<v Speaker 1>was like six inches of snow. It was we were

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<v Speaker 1>at six thousand feet elevation in Mexico, freezing cold. Luckily

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<v Speaker 1>Clay read like a part of the memo and brought

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<v Speaker 1>a jacket. Like you know, it's almost one of those

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<v Speaker 1>deals where it's like I don't need that much clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did very cold, So I came home to

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<v Speaker 1>bad weather and life statement for Class six seven, eight

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<v Speaker 1>days later. It's like very icy right now. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of I've been a lot of places with the

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<v Speaker 1>Newcombs where some member of their family didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>coat jacket. It's yeah, partly why we have such an

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<v Speaker 1>eclectic group of people. You've heard a few voices that

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have recognized, and you've not heard some voices

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<v Speaker 1>that are typically here. Gary the Believer Newcomb, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's about a three hour drive, two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>hour drive Arkansas, the state of Arkansas. Brent Reeves, we

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<v Speaker 1>told him not to come, and so we have some

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<v Speaker 1>some very new folks. Missy Newcombs here, Josh Lambridge, Spillmakers here.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh introduced your guests. So a very special guest that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm honored to introduce and honored to have been married

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<v Speaker 1>to for almost twenty five years, Mrs Christie Spielmaker. Christie

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<v Speaker 1>it's so great to have you, Christie. Thank you. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a this is a long time dream of mine. Dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Christie Spielmaker on The Bargeras Render Podcast. We've tried. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't know it, but we've tried a lot. So

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<v Speaker 1>very We're so happy you're here, Christie. I'm so happy

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. Yes, yes, And we've known the Spilmakers

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<v Speaker 1>for decades, so we've raised our kids side by side

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<v Speaker 1>with the Spilmmakers, traveled and so I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>hear what you have to say about two Come. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very for those. It's possible that people are new

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<v Speaker 1>to our podcast, The Bargeras Podcast. We are. We are

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary style history, anthropology, hillbilly hunting, conservation, musical playing podcast. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But every other week we have a group of people

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<v Speaker 1>that comes together for the Beargreas Render, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening then to where we talk about the last

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<v Speaker 1>week's episodes. We're going to talk about two comes apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Two so great, Christie. My guest, well, I have two

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<v Speaker 1>guests here, Misty and I have two guests here. Our

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<v Speaker 1>first guest is Jessica Uwllen, our dear friend of many

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<v Speaker 1>decades as well. Jessica. Yeah, hey, I I came. I

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<v Speaker 1>stayed the night at Jessica's house for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>when I my sixteenth birthday, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth birthday, that was my first time. Yeah, I still

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<v Speaker 1>remember sitting in the basement living room chit chat. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I love and I love really she's she's been our

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<v Speaker 1>kids that were born in the hospital. She was there

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<v Speaker 1>at the hospital for our daughter's births and was here

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<v Speaker 1>very shortly after at our house. When tell the world

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<v Speaker 1>what you do for a living, I'm an architect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of stuff do you work? Uh? Commercial? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do a lot of houses, but m yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten the Over my twenty plus year career, I've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of different stuff. But right now

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<v Speaker 1>work for a firm that does a lot of commercial development.

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<v Speaker 1>So right now I've got some projects with universities around

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<v Speaker 1>the state. Um, locally, I've gotten to do a really

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<v Speaker 1>cool movie theater and some offices and restaurants and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and UM, yeah, I really enjoy my job.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it changes a lot day to day. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>some days I and you know, boots and hard hat

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<v Speaker 1>and some days I'm on a computer. Some days I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on phone and meetings. Some days I get to color.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like literally color. I was about to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you if you've ever do you ever draw stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>on a napkin? Like architects usually have paper and pins

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<v Speaker 1>these days. You know, I do have a purse. I

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<v Speaker 1>have an advantage over those guys architects. I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an architect myself, Jessica, as you know, care do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember when we built this office, I said that this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a celebration of architecture. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that it's coming back. This wasn't just going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a building. It was gonna be a celebration of architecture.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, so funny story about Jessica that I heard

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<v Speaker 1>her telling yesterday was that when she was in college,

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<v Speaker 1>Is okay if I tell this story when she was

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<v Speaker 1>in college, When she was in college at her house,

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<v Speaker 1>they hosted a band that came and played a concert

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<v Speaker 1>in her house and the dude set his symbols on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>In her house was that same living room that I

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<v Speaker 1>first hung out with Misty. This house was legendary in

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<v Speaker 1>Fayetbelle at the time. By the way, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>not once that we had a band play. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was like a concert video. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>days before cell phones and smartphones, and in those days,

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<v Speaker 1>you would chalk the sidewalk. You'd write stuff on the sidewalk.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want people to show up with chalk and

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<v Speaker 1>outside your house, well yeah, tell them what we could.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't even have to say the address. People knew

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<v Speaker 1>this house. It was nicknamed the Slacker House when I

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<v Speaker 1>lived there. We were not slackers people that lived, but

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<v Speaker 1>the house is known as the slacker house. So we

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<v Speaker 1>can literally but on the sidewalk Slacker House Friday night,

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<v Speaker 1>eight p m. In the band name, and people show

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<v Speaker 1>up and watch bands. So fun. So how did they

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<v Speaker 1>light their symbols on fire in your living room? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Gel that you put on it? If I remember that,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of smear on it and then you can

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<v Speaker 1>light it on fire. Um yeah, you know. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of big into like sensational ways attention. I'm thinking about burning,

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<v Speaker 1>like like going on a squirrel hunt and like lighten

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<v Speaker 1>my saddle on or flaming arrows, flaming flaming arrows. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking just okay, I'll see what I can find out,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can also just order fajitas at the Mexican.

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<v Speaker 1>Our final guest and certainly not least guests who's been

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<v Speaker 1>here before. Yeah, our dear neighbor, also friend for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>our favorite pastored poultry farmer, Terrell Spencer. Good to have you, man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like being on the practice squad and everybody gets

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<v Speaker 1>the flu, so you get to play. Okay, we need it.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to like say, like Terrell Spencer is a

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<v Speaker 1>direct replacement of yeah, exactly, so you need to be

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about und trying to like fill his spot. Christie,

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<v Speaker 1>you got replacements? Well that those are big shoes to fill. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually not. It's like a size eight and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>small feet, big beard, big overall, but no Taryll. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're I just called you Terrill. I'll never call you Terrell.

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<v Speaker 1>Spence is your name. We're close enough you can use

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<v Speaker 1>first name. Well. I remember Spence's last name was Spence,

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<v Speaker 1>and they looked at me and they said his mom

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<v Speaker 1>named him Spence. Tell me about the what you're wearing

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<v Speaker 1>around your neck, this whole thing I forgot to have

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<v Speaker 1>it on. Whatever. Yeah, it's a Grand Champion Rooster call

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<v Speaker 1>medal I won a couple of weeks ago to Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>at the at the American Pastured Poultry Producers Association p Yeah. There. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a big conference about three fifty farmers and well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you gotta let's here. I would I would

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<v Speaker 1>blow out every microphone on this. Oh it's okay, do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly you didn't even move it if you wanted to know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't full force, yea, turn it up just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Turn it up just a little bit. My

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<v Speaker 1>voice is he's got to stand up to get this out.

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<v Speaker 1>You go, okay, excuse me, Well, okay, we're filming now.

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing it earlier on top of the holler

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<v Speaker 1>with my dog scaring vultures. Okay. And he really likes that.

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<v Speaker 1>Some I've voice is a little blown out. I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 1>they they they liked loudness over over like there is

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<v Speaker 1>technical nuance. There's a fellow Christian Alexander. He can turn

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<v Speaker 1>your mic down just a little bit. There, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow Christian Alexander. He's a farmer in North California. And

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<v Speaker 1>he came out and he called and everybody sat down right,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, what I did? I couldn't compete with that,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were multiple you could do multiple calls. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just did a barrage of mediocre calls and got

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<v Speaker 1>my score up. So I did like a turkey hen gobble,

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<v Speaker 1>like the little that turkeys did, you know. I did

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<v Speaker 1>a poultry predator, an owl and a crow, and there

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<v Speaker 1>you go, and I got my score up to take

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<v Speaker 1>them down. Okay, so our suns play basket all together,

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<v Speaker 1>Spencing and when when when either of the boys score,

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<v Speaker 1>I will ol hoot from the stand and Spence will

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<v Speaker 1>crow call. And it's our goal that one day when

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<v Speaker 1>the boys score on their team, the whole stadium al hoots.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's my goal. Anyway, it happened. We were

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<v Speaker 1>in a really rural school district, if you remember, and

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<v Speaker 1>we we we were making our calls and someone from

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, I'm just saying, like, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wonderful. One of the things that I We are

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<v Speaker 1>playing for a new team this year, and it's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little concerned that they're embarrassed up. I guess what

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<v Speaker 1>the kids kids from down here, their dads are probably

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<v Speaker 1>going crow colle It is what it is, um misty,

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you read okay, so I I get, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like updates if if someone in our family hits the papers,

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<v Speaker 1>like I have this this setting where it will send

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<v Speaker 1>me okay the interwet um. It's a setting on Google,

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<v Speaker 1>so someone if someone's in the news or something, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna alert so I can see pictures and stuff like that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got Clay's name on there, and so I got

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<v Speaker 1>an update that Clay Newcombe and Missy Newcombe were in

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<v Speaker 1>the papers. Um or um, it's on the Internet. I

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<v Speaker 1>quickly realized that what I was looking at was an

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<v Speaker 1>AI product, artificial intelligence. And so for people who don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are these new newly created robots, recently created robots

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<v Speaker 1>who go around and it's clear that what they do

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<v Speaker 1>is they pull art calls from all over the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>and they make like summarizations of those articles. But they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to plague your eze and so do not

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<v Speaker 1>plage your eyes. Even though some would say this is

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<v Speaker 1>still plagiarizing. They just swap out some of the keywords.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, it's a full article that has article that

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<v Speaker 1>was a bio about me and Misty and go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and read it. And it starts with and it starts

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<v Speaker 1>with mud Neucrom grew up and was launched up inside

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<v Speaker 1>the Washita Mountains as a seventh interval Arkans. And already

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, where on nerves did this article stem from?

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<v Speaker 1>What translation? He's a tracker, Donkey Skinner, naturalist and provincial

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<v Speaker 1>social spectator. Let's stop right there. In my bio at

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<v Speaker 1>Meat Eater, it says that I'm a seventh generation ar

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<v Speaker 1>Kans and born and raised in Arkansas. So it said,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in that bio I said I am a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a contoisseur of rural culture. So what did they say?

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<v Speaker 1>They said, he's a tracker, a Donkey Skinner, naturalist, and

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<v Speaker 1>provincial social spectators. Provincial social spectator was a connoisseur of

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<v Speaker 1>rural Is there a t in that word? We don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't talk about Clay's pronunciation. Fantastic. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of words that I don't say. Right. He is an essayist,

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<v Speaker 1>movie producer, and this might be one of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>The host of the Bear Oil webcast webcast. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Donkey Skinner. Yeah, all right, are you offended that

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<v Speaker 1>they thought that donkey would be a synonym from mule. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, a I bought dirt Newcomb has

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<v Speaker 1>been hitched Earth Dirt Nwcombe has been hitched to his

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<v Speaker 1>greater half, Cloudy Newcombs for virtually ten years, which that

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong. Twenty two years Earth Newcomb is important, completely

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<v Speaker 1>different has been dronfully hitched Jim Mudd and foggy like

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<v Speaker 1>investing that needs to be airbrushed, mud and foggy. You

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<v Speaker 1>see what it's it thinks. My name is Newcomb and

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<v Speaker 1>it thanks. Clay is just a word that can be

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<v Speaker 1>You can use synonyms of and misty as well. Foggy,

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<v Speaker 1>mud and foggy like investing energy with their family inside

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<v Speaker 1>the ozark Heaps Mountain. Okay, I'm not gonna go too

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<v Speaker 1>much more, but they do at one point call me,

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<v Speaker 1>uh Foggy Newcomb in And by the end of this

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<v Speaker 1>my name has changed to Dine four children kind of

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<v Speaker 1>love A good nickname my name. That should be your

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<v Speaker 1>new band name. It should be Mudd and foggy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great it's a great band name. Mud Dirt

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<v Speaker 1>Nuwcomb would be great, but our friend friend Smith already

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<v Speaker 1>has that one taken. Meda your cameraman, great guy, wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>He's already dirt, so we're already past that. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have a race like three wheelers, your name needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be dirt nukemb Yeah yeah, yeah, three wheelers. I can

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<v Speaker 1>picture airbreast t shirts too. Yeah. Yeah. With with Christie,

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<v Speaker 1>can you tell us what you do? Yeah, I am

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<v Speaker 1>in supply chain, global supply chain, so I work with

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<v Speaker 1>a supply chain company, mainly in the retail sector, doing

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<v Speaker 1>important type work. An avid hunter mm hmm, fisher woman.

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<v Speaker 1>So for years, um, I well, I kind of still

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<v Speaker 1>think you're in trucking, right right, I did that for months,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's stuck. Well no, Well, and you really were

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<v Speaker 1>the trucker for major retailer in the country, that's right, Yes, No,

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<v Speaker 1>Christie's very important. Christ You have such a great story

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<v Speaker 1>because you went to college when you were older. I

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<v Speaker 1>was thirty thirty years old. We had three kids, three kids,

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<v Speaker 1>two foster kids. We have two foster kids. During When

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<v Speaker 1>did you graduate college? How old were you? I was

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four and then now you're like running Planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, exactly. She is a big for real. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean she is. She's a big shot. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>a time when she worked for a local retailer that

0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.400
<v Speaker 1>some have heard of. She doesn't anymore. Can I say their? Kay?

0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.359
<v Speaker 1>She used to work for Walmart and every time I

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<v Speaker 1>would go into Walmart and they wouldn't have something that

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to send her pictures so she could fix.

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<v Speaker 1>I would get that. I also, we have a very

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<v Speaker 1>close friend. You would call me and be like, I

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<v Speaker 1>bought this fan and I love it, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>ten of them and I bought it. I bought them

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<v Speaker 1>all ten years ago, and I can't find them anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you figure out what happens? I know for sure

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<v Speaker 1>cannot figure out what happens. No idea. But don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>Christie Spielmaker is also a quite the fly fisher woman.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's nice to have the presence of another fly

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<v Speaker 1>fisher in the room here to support you. Hm, where

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<v Speaker 1>do you'all and you'all like to you'll like to go

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<v Speaker 1>over in central Arkansas and north of here, north of

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<v Speaker 1>hers pretty go, Jessica. Now your connections to hunting, well,

0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I should probably confess I've never hunted a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, but I hooked my brother

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<v Speaker 1>one time and then no more, no more fishing after that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I very much enjoy a grow grip and family

0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 1>that dad brothers, and Um, I reaped the benefits of

0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.800
<v Speaker 1>having family and friends that are huntered. Like I was

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<v Speaker 1>telling some friends at work, um, this morning that in

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<v Speaker 1>my freezer right now, I have moose meat, I have

0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.560
<v Speaker 1>buffalo meat, I have dear meat, I have chicken. I

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<v Speaker 1>have all these things that people supply, and I'm very grateful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I being outdoors. The coolest story are a cool

0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:40.800
<v Speaker 1>story that Jessica's dad has. Who I'm hunted with? Your dad? Yeah? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>is that he knew Elvis Presley? Yeah, can you tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about that. I hope I'm getting these right, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>hope I'm getting these right. Yeah. Yeah. So I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Central Arkansas. There was a guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>a singer in the seventies in Central Arkansas, and my

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<v Speaker 1>dad was learning to do tile, like for bathrooms and kitchens,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was working on that guy's house and Elvis

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<v Speaker 1>came to hang out, and Elvis would like just go

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<v Speaker 1>sit like on the toilet with a little close with

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Elvis lived in Memphis, yea and hour and a half

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<v Speaker 1>from where h and so then you know, apparently, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this was when my dad was young, probably still in

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<v Speaker 1>high school, and Elvis and this other guy were probably

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<v Speaker 1>in their thirties, and they my dad was always in

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<v Speaker 1>the cool cars. He had a cool car. And then

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<v Speaker 1>and they convinced my dad to take them cruising downtown

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<v Speaker 1>so they could drink and wave it girls from the

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<v Speaker 1>back team. Yeah. Yeah. And then later on my dad

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<v Speaker 1>was racing boats at a lake in central Arkansas. He

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<v Speaker 1>did this regularly and it was kind of a big

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<v Speaker 1>deal back then, and Elvis would be the m C

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<v Speaker 1>or a special guests or whatever, and he before it started,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd find my dad and say hi, and then he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I gotta get out of here, there's too

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<v Speaker 1>many people and go back to the you know where

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<v Speaker 1>the cool kids go. I'm big into Elvis now, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>when did this happen? It's about two or three weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there going to be a podcast the next series? Yeah, there's.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually a great quote by Ted Nugent about Elvis Presto.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he said, if Elvis had just been bloody

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<v Speaker 1>up to the elbows about once a year, he'd still

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<v Speaker 1>be alive. Remember that, because because he wouldn't have needed

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<v Speaker 1>all the drugs him he had got a natural high. Jessica,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it. Elvis. You should hear Clay's Elvis call

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<v Speaker 1>oh Man, Christie oh I did. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>give a shout out because I was on a I

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<v Speaker 1>was on a business trip last week last week or

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<v Speaker 1>the week before, and um, I was in the Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>Fort Worth Airport and I saw a bear grease hat,

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<v Speaker 1>bear grease hat in the wild yep siding in the wild,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just thought, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk

0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to this gentleman and just see if he'll talk to me.

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.040
<v Speaker 1>And I was like sweet hat. And he's like, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like thanks, So where'd you get it? And he was

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<v Speaker 1>like mediator website like kind of where. I was like, okay, cool,

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 1>do you listen to the podcast? And he just looked

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.879
<v Speaker 1>at me. He goes religiously and I said, oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the render. Yeah, And I said, well, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband is Josh Landbridge Speelmaker. I was like exactly exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like what And then he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be my best friend. And so that was Dr Blake

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<v Speaker 1>on his way. He's going to be a doctor at

0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the children's hospital here and he's about to move, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I just wanted to give a shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Blake can repen R. Blake. I have excellent Multiple

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<v Speaker 1>farmers at the Apple conference come up to me and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd listen to the Soil. Yeah, the Soil episode. I

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>don't remember any other names, but yeah, you know who

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.439
<v Speaker 1>you are. Yeah. I think that we should start a

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<v Speaker 1>new section where we just call out people's names. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how every Arkansas event, like all the that's how

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 1>all the Arkansas like social events. You go to an

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<v Speaker 1>education conference and they stand up and they just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of point out all the people in the room. They know.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop it that. I got an email this week about

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<v Speaker 1>a guy and all, forgive me, brother for not having

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<v Speaker 1>your name in front of me, But this guy was

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<v Speaker 1>at a fur trading. He was at a fur sale

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<v Speaker 1>in Idaho. This is a thing for sales. Yeah, yeah,

0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>they were. They were selling and buying furs, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was wearing a Burgery's hat in the cellar. He was

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to Boston first, if I remember right, And the

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>seller saw his Bargery's hat and was like, bro loved

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.959
<v Speaker 1>the podcast and gave him a discount on the first

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<v Speaker 1>tell me he was going to use it as currents.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be good. That would be good. Hey, where

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<v Speaker 1>are we at our on our coonskin hats, Josh. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been working diligently. I've got I've got four left to make.

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 1>They're about one third made, okay, so I just need

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>to finish them up. Okay, we need Yeah, at some

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:48.360
<v Speaker 1>point we're gonna we're gonna sell yes, these coonskin genuine

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Ozark dog treed hats by next render. I will have

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a completion date for you, okay, and they might even

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 1>be done, you never know. Yeah, we just gotta forget

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 1>what we're gonna do with him. Hey. Kind of as

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 1>an announcement to just to remind everybody, March fourth in

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Northwest Arkansas, Bentonville is the black Bear Bonanza. It's gonna

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>be big man. There will be a coonskin hat. There'll

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>be one of Josh's coonskins that anyone with a good

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 1>ol hoo could win. It's gonna be the it's gonna

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>be the prize for the old contest. I'll be one

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of the judges. And uh, there's gonna be a live

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Bear Greased Render podcast recorded. There potentially gonna be some

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>live music outs maybe maybe maybe, but it's it really

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a great day. Man. Those guys have

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 1>done a great job of putting together a really fun event.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all day. I'll be there all day. Uh, Mr

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Fog will be there all Day's gonna be there. To

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:54.160
<v Speaker 1>James Lawrence that I'm looking forward to. He he messaged

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.400
<v Speaker 1>me the other day. And when I get a text

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>message from James Lawrence, I feel like like he shouldn't

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>be text messaging, like, um he literally, well he's got

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a real phone now, he's got a good one now.

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 1>But when he comes into town he can message. And

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he messaged me and said, hey, I heard you having

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>a some kind of event and I said yeah, and

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>he said me and he's coming that. I'm looking forward

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to that. So um to come, sir man. This so

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.400
<v Speaker 1>as everybody knows, I said on the last render, I've

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 1>never taken such a long period of time to build

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a series. It took me over a year, maybe even

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a year and a half two just put all the

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>pieces together and get the right it was. It mainly

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>had to do with my guests, um, just like lining

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>them all up and then then I've got them and

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and Rarely do I have this many like great guests

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>on a single podcast. Guests Chief Ben Barnes with a Shawnee,

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Robert Morgan, New York Times best selling author, who I

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 1>joke about? And if I am ever on the New

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>York Times bestsellers list, I would like for all of you,

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>my dear friends. Two when you introduced me, introduced me

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>as New York Times bestselling author, and my friend Clay

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 1>new Compe I've got to write a book first though.

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>And then Peter Cozens, who is uh a fantastic author

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and historian, and who am I missing? Um? Yeah, Dr

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Dave Edmonds who has spent his whole career. Dave Edmonds

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>is in his eighties, and it's just a really fun

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of energy, just so much knowledge. Almost they're like, oh,

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>slow down, slow down. Like when I put the headset on,

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>he just just took off and he and he would

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>he would be like four steps ahead of me, and

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd have to be I'd have to stop him and

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>then be like, hey, let me ask you this little

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.120
<v Speaker 1>little bitty question. He was great. It such so great,

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>So rarely do you have that much time to invest

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>into one episode. But it's such a. It's such a

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>complex topic. I am quite certain that on when this

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>is done, there will be there will be people on

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>all both sides of this topic that would think that

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 1>I did it a disservice. I think so because it

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>man I said it at the end of maybe the

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>first episode of the second episode, I was kind of

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>just I kind of at the very end, kind of

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>made a plea for empathy to the listeners to just

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, there's no way that I could get

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 1>this totally right. And you know, I am telling this

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>this story through the veil of my understanding, which is

0:28:50.760 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>dim and foggy, foggy view of this. But because it

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>is very sensitive stuff because we're talking about we're talking

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>about American history, we're talking about the people that we're

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 1>we're a lot of injustice was done to them. But

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you're also talking about a people who, uh, the Europeans,

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>who in many ways are overlooked for the stresses that

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 1>they were dealing with as they were trying to move

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>into this land that they would have viewed as almost unoccupied.

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>And so it's not a justification for that, but that's

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>just the truth. I mean, you know, poverty and all

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:40.479
<v Speaker 1>these factors we're pushing these people, and and it's so

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that there's like all these different sides of it. And

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the other aspect of this that's challenging is

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that you don't have history necessarily, that the history books

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>were written, not by the show. And so one of

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the big challenges that you have is is you're talking

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot about a different worldview and a different paradigm

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that they approached. So and we don't have we don't

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>have that worldview clearly documented like we do the Westerners,

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>even people who are trying to present it from the

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Shawnee perspective, still that's not there. You know, that's not

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>their native language, that's not their native worldview. And so

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>so it's it's just it's tricky. Well, there's a bias

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>in every every angle, and it really would be this

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>way in in any part of history. There's always a

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>bias in the way the story is told from from

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>any angle. And uh, and especially when you're going back

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>into a time period when there was very little documentation anything.

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean even about two comes his life. You know,

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I got this book that's you know, two inches thick

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>about two Comes to that's got like every possible thing

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>that was ever known about him, and much of it

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>is even the stuff I reported on about two comes

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>as birth and all these things. Man, we're going off

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 1>of like a thread, right, Like instance two comes his

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>birth and like him being born under a comment that

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>struck like went across the sky in Ohio. Two people

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>told that story. Now those two people were close to Tecumsa.

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>That's really for that deep of history. It's like pretty

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>solid evidence. His his grandson Thomas Wildcat Alfred told that

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>story to somebody, said, my grandfather was born under a

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>comment and his name means this. But closer to Decompsa

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:36.479
<v Speaker 1>was his brother, essentially his functional brother, who was a

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>white kid that was kidnapped and brought into the Shawnees

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>raised as his brother that New English. This is stuff

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>we didn't really even get to get into. Um Stephen Riddell,

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>who lived with the Shawnees for seventeen years and then

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>like went back into the white world. He is a

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>big source of information about two Comesa because it comes

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>to died when he was forty five in eighteen thirteen.

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>And so presume I don't know how long Stephen Roddelle lived,

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>but presumably longer than Tikomsa. And so when he died,

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>people started asking about him and Riddell was like, I

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>was his brother and I could speak English. And Riddell

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>told that story. But it's not like there was a

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>video of it or Facebook posts or exactly. Yeah, even

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>at that, you know, one man's you're going off of

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>one man's memory, you know. I mean, I can't tell

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>you how many times I've told the story. And Chris

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>he's like, that's not how it happened, you know, And

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Josh's a compulsive I'm just kidding. Before we move further,

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I just wanted logged that I wish we

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>had named a kid Wildcat, named a kid mud Dirt

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Wildcat a lot of great our youngest that she's been

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>a boy. She was going to be a wolf gang

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>because you guys had a bear and we were gonna

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>have a wolf. That would have been so guy for

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>another kid. Yeah, thanks for that. If we do, I'm

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>going to bury an antler with the unbilical cory. Yes. Um,

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>So we'll start off the discussion. So we're talking about

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>part two, but if you want to reference part one,

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that's okay as well. So Part two was basically it

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>comes to his life from about sevent to eighteen twelve. Okay,

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of after he was established. The first

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>podcast established his birth, the context of his birth, and

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of there were no official wars going on to

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>speak of until the War of eighteen twelve. That's like

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>the first like big American war that like we're like, yes,

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>they were fighting, but his whole life was filled with warfare, skirmishes,

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>tribal warfare. You know, that's something that we didn't get

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>into that My dear friend Steve vannella Um called me

0:33:56.000 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>today and talk to me about um was how much

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>how much inner tribal warfare there was, like the they

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>were a warring people like, uh, I don't want it

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>to sound like they were surprised by they didn't understand warfare.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>And in this second one, Robert Morgan talked about how

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans viewed warfare differently than the Europeans and

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it was more ritualistic. And you know, you can paint

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>this romantic picture of like these people and the way

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>they live, but they were they were, they were they

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>were very brutal at times to themselves and a lot

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 1>of fighting, just fighting was part of it. I think

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that's even speaks to how much more difficult it probably

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>was for two Comes to bring together all the different tribes,

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like it could be easy to think, oh,

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>it's just gathering up people that are all very similar

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but there's a lot of difference between those

0:34:55.200 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 1>different tribes exactly. There there was incredible difference, and and

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the tribes hated each other just for

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the sake of hating each other. And and and we're taking

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>land from each other, you know. Um, even though like

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>as as you talked about it, there's like this hedgemon

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that we've all been exposed to of like what we

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>think a Native American is. And it's like in the

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>plains with the big feather bonnet, you know, and that

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't think about like in the east in the woods,

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and like marching with the British, and you know, like

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>when you see two Comsa, it's like nothing like what

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>as a boy growing up in the eighties, what are

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>watching westerns? What you think? You know? So it's like

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that thing has to even get moved before you can

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>even start looking at and thinking about him. That's what

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I found myself, Like I really don't know anything about this,

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's so foreign to me, and it's

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>such a huge part of our history that's just we're

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>ignorant of, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the way

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll do this, I'm gonna go to each one of

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>you and ask you what stood out to you, and

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 1>so maybe by the time we're done, we'll have like

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:11.240
<v Speaker 1>talked about lots of different parts of it. Is that Okay, yeah, Christie,

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>can I start out with you what stood out to

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you in this podcast? Okay? So I think there are

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>probably two parts that stood out to me. The description

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of the movement of people like being in one location

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and then spreading out all the way across the earth.

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>And then so couple that with then in the first

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>episode when it was I can't remember who it was,

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>but described that like two kums would have approached people

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and things from what is similar, not what's different. And

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>so then you start you kind of like start putting

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>it all together, and you're like, this whole movement of

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>people from like one central kind of location out across

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the earth over many, many years obviously produced different mindsets

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 1>and thought processes in world views. And it just makes

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>me sit back and wonder, like does the worldview always

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>have to conflict or could there have been you know,

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>when I think about this, could the Western worldview and

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the Native American worldview have come together to produce something

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>better than what we even have today? Right? Instead, it

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>was conflict and one had to you know, quote unquote

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>win out or whatever. And I sit back and I

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>think about that because in my world, like it's all

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.839
<v Speaker 1>about like I've got to go build relationships and build

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>rapport and go find common ground. And it's like what

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 1>if I just approach people and thought, hey, there just

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 1>is common ground, like you know what I mean, even

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>in my daily life just thinking about how does that apply?

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>So I was impacted by that. I thought that was

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty wild and just interesting to think about. But then

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>even even just what you just described, I mean two

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 1>comes to I had to go and talk to people

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>who also tribes you had different worldview I don't know

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>about world views, but different views and try to go

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>find common ground. So you know, it's it's it was

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>an interesting kind of like how does it practically play out?

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So I was impacted by that, and then can I

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.479
<v Speaker 1>say something to that? And then you get to go again?

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm very glad you brought that up, because if

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that was such a the idea, like taking it all

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the way back to the human diaspora out of where

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 1>we started. I was afraid to try to pronounce that. Yeah, well,

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I pronounced it wrong. Pronounced it wrong. I

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 1>think I think you nailed that one. Actually, well that

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it's such a wild thought to think that we are

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 1>the same species, we're the same And two people left

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and separate, and it's a very simplified version of the

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>human diaspora. Yes, two people left in different directions. They

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't know they were on a round planet, and time

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 1>separated them for so long that when they met on

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the American frontier, they were vastly their their thought of

0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>what it meant to be a human was vastly different.

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 1>And and then there was this conflict, and uh yeah,

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to me, like I could just sit and just think

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>about that and just be like wow, wild. And then

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, I talked about the Tower of Babel and

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>the Bible, where language was the way that God basically

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>stripped people of being able to collaborate together, and how

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 1>today that is so, I mean, language is everything. But yes,

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say that the part where you

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:33.840
<v Speaker 1>guys talked about language and the way is the Um,

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the language influenced thought and thought influenced language was really

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>striking to me. Y'all know, I'm a big movie watcher

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and so many things take me back to movies. Um,

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, there's uh, there's a movie called Arrival that

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 1>was about like aliens landing and this woman trying to

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 1>communicate with aliens. And that's one of the big ideas

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>in that movie, is like how communication shapes thought and

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>thought shapes communication and back and forth. And I thought

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that the way that was described was really interesting and

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>captured that idea. And it's true, like the way we

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the way we talk is a reflection of what we

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>think that it also influences the way we think and

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>back and forth. It's a cyclical thing. And so just

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 1>being aware just in a practical life. Was this going

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.359
<v Speaker 1>to be one of your favorite topics for this Yeah,

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 1>because I want to talk about language. Okay, okay, My

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>second second one. My second one was Logan's Lament. Yeah.

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I just thought that was pretty I mean, I thought

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>it was beautiful, but but like so sad and just

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>just that side of like, man, he really treated people.

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>One way and was horribly you know, unjustly treated by

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 1>that same group of people. And I just yeah, so

0:40:55.920 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>I was I liked how Ben Barnes said, he's your soul,

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>can't help but be moved. After you read that, he

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>said something really striking about how are yeah interesting Jessica

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 1>ladies first, absolutely okay, impacting impacting thoughts. Yeah, And I

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>was thinking a lot about how how language influences thought,

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and thought influences language, and how that's the same for everybody.

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>That's a life principle. You know, It's like you got

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>to be conscious of how you talk because it does

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 1>influence how you think. And you also you can tell

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot about how someone thinks by the way they talk.

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And um, yeah, I just thought it was really interesting

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>where the decrease from six thousand languages two and fifty

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.919
<v Speaker 1>was that the statistics and what how what time frame?

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Remember like in the next seventy years, unbelievable, Every every

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>two every week there is a language crossed off the

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:05.399
<v Speaker 1>US that dies like in And we'll talk about this more,

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I think in the next episode. But he you know,

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're around two and fifty people on planet

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Earth that speaks Shawnny and what he said to me

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 1>that really got my gears turnament was he said that

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>mono lingual speakers have a hard time understanding why speaking

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>multiple languages is important. And he said that languages allow

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:31.399
<v Speaker 1>us to to to view the world in a different way,

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 1>and when you really practically think about what that means.

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>This would be an example, as I've thought about it.

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Imagine that you're walking down a country road and there's

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a creek gurgling off to the right hand side, and

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.879
<v Speaker 1>you're just kind of it's peaceful, there's birds, and you're

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>just having like a nice walk, a contemplative walk, and

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about important stuff in your life. And I

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know, how would you describe have that in English.

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really asking for an answer, but I'm saying

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 1>you would probably have to like make a lot of

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 1>different thoughts and say a lot of different stuff, and

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 1>take a lot of time to like describe like kind

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 1>of a complex thing that's happening. Because the creek a

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 1>creek doesn't really affect like my family, but maybe I'm

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>thinking about my family. Perhaps there is a word in

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>another language that you could say, I went and x

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>x X, and that and you would be like, Oh,

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you were walking down the road and there was a

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>creek babbling beside you, and you were thinking about your

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 1>life and contemplating, and do you see what I'm saying.

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's like like there's words that describe stuff that

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 1>we don't have words. You know, We've always we've always

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:49.240
<v Speaker 1>heard that that French is the language of love and

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and uh, which this is shaking yes or no, but

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the point being, there's ways that they say they capture

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>parts of life that the English language just doesn't have

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the ability to capture. And so I thought about that

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>because that's what I try to do as a like,

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>as a storyteller, as a writer. It's like, you're trying

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>to describe this really complex life we live, and there

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 1>are words and other languages that say stuff that we

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to say. I think there's a there's

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>a up in Alaska. There's a uh maybe I don't

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.879
<v Speaker 1>know who it is, but they have like twenty seven

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.919
<v Speaker 1>words for snow. Yes, we've got the one. I think

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>about one of the lessons that we go through with

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 1>our kids um at at school and one of the

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 1>classes I teach Hardy he gave her a hearty welcome.

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.319
<v Speaker 1>What do you picture like a loud welcome? Okay? What

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of people? I don't know who's given the hearty welcome?

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Who do you picture given that? Like? What's friends and family? Okay?

0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 1>What's he wearing? Santa Claus suit? Really interesting? Plaid? Okay? Um,

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and you would be amazing how many people say plaid

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>our flannel? You would be I mean, like almost ninety

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>percent of people to say that he gave her a

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 1>cordial greeting. Yeah, bow tie okay, one of those words,

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 1>one of hearty welcome. When you like trace that phrase,

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.760
<v Speaker 1>when you take specifically hardy, when you trace that back

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to its origins, that is a the origins. I think

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a Nordic language that was spoken by peasants. Cordial welcome.

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.319
<v Speaker 1>I belief stints from French, like if you if you

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 1>go into that and and so you end up with

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.839
<v Speaker 1>generations beyond where I I can't even I teach this,

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I haven't in my notes. Um. But you know, we

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know where those the origin of those words came from,

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.959
<v Speaker 1>but we still infer the same the same. We don't

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 1>conscious that it came from that, but we know that

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Josh Spellmaker would give a hearty welcome. It puts an

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 1>image in your head as Josh yeah and he wears,

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 1>But you get those images in your head centuries after

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>those those The language carries a lot of stuff with

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>it that maybe you don't even Yeah, yeah for sure.

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 1>And so I think I thought that was a super

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing. And and if back to your point about

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 1>about you know, you're trying to give this perspective there,

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>this is a language that is dying or are greatly

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>is like an endangered language, and so we don't know

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the history because we don't understand what they were saying.

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 1>We don't understand what was being communicated. And and that's yeah,

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a real valuable part of the bias to to

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>inspect and to understand. And you know alluded to this

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 1>in the podcast, but it's and I think it's a

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 1>hard judgment to say that to come so it would

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>have been the greatest orator in American history, Like that's

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>probably a stretch. I had some real winners because we

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>don't have a recording of it. But what I think

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>historians are trying to do is throw the guy bone

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and say the way that he organized people, like the

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>evidence of strong oration was there so strongly that we

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>can assume and the way people talked about it. But

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 1>the Shawnee language carried him. And now he would have

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.839
<v Speaker 1>been speaking some of his stuff in English, but most

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 1>of his stuff for him to inspire as people, it

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>would have been he would have been speaking Shawnee most likely,

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and and in other tribes he probably would have spoken

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>some of their life. But you know, just kind of

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:33.360
<v Speaker 1>like this language carried this incredible orator, so you know,

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 1>like what was inside of it? M but interesting, Jessica.

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Second second thing, Okay, Um, I liked when you guys

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>were talking about um change. You know, UM. In my profession,

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm an architect. I interact with tons of people at

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:57.760
<v Speaker 1>different scales of development, you know, city planners and things

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:01.719
<v Speaker 1>like that, and change is a big topic, especially in

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 1>a region like where we live, where like we are

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>on a trajectory of growth and it's not going to stop.

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:11.880
<v Speaker 1>And um. Yeah. So one thing that's talked about a

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>lot in design and city planning and architecture is like

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 1>things are going to change, They're gonna grow, or they're

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna go downhill. And so that the point is we've

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.319
<v Speaker 1>got to grow in the right way. So I was

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:29.839
<v Speaker 1>just thinking about, like, there are ways to keep what's

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:36.399
<v Speaker 1>good and still adjust because change is gonna happen, Like yeah,

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and I would say change is good, but also like

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.919
<v Speaker 1>we've got to be anchored by things that don't change.

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's it's really As I was listening to this,

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to uh was it then you were

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 1>talking to Yeah, And as you all were talking about it,

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, like, you know, going back to my grandparents,

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.760
<v Speaker 1>there are things that they believe in that they thought

0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>that we're not good, not good for them, not good

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 1>for others. They were restrictions, mindsets that restricted them as

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 1>individuals and restricted their scope of of experience, and and

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 1>that we can I mean, uh, go mack even further,

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 1>think about the change that having like heat has brought us,

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:20.840
<v Speaker 1>and the change that good solid medicine has improved, you know. Yeah,

0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 1>And there's some things that I'm not going to go

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 1>without that I'm a big fan of and I don't

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>want to go without. And I think that we can

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>romanticize the old ways or the traditional ways personally, like

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I I am very much so in the

0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:37.759
<v Speaker 1>camp of people that could easily do that and and

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>and so it was an interesting take. As I was

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 1>listening to the two of you talk on the podcast,

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that was a big thought going through my mind, is like, well,

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 1>change is good, but also there's some things that shouldn't change,

0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:50.919
<v Speaker 1>and there's some things that that you don't you don't

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:53.800
<v Speaker 1>want to change, and there is just this constant tension.

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:55.759
<v Speaker 1>And I think like in our home, we would say

0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:58.319
<v Speaker 1>migration is a value, something that we value, like the

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 1>ability to migrate, to hire respectives and and things like that,

0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and that that's actually like a declared value of the

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 1>system of our home. At the same time, we're very

0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>much so deeply anchored to ancient principles and ancient value

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>systems that we tell our kids this isn't gonna change,

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 1>this is this is what you And so I just

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.439
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's an interesting tension there, like it's

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.879
<v Speaker 1>not something and you can see why wars are fought

0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.839
<v Speaker 1>over it. Let me let me do a little clean

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>up that section, because that section was one that potentially

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:32.399
<v Speaker 1>somebody could have a hard time with because what David

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Edmond was doing was he was trying to help He

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 1>was trying to help us in modern times here in America.

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Understand at the at a very small level, what was

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 1>happening to Ta Komsa. He was not because he talked

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:50.839
<v Speaker 1>about coal miners losing their losing their their their way

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of life, and rural America losing our way of life.

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 1>And the problem with that argument, as you could say,

0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.399
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, you're saying coal miners not being able

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 1>to dig col anymore is like, you know, the genocide

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 1>of the people. You see, That's not what we're saying,

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and that's not what he was saying. He was trying.

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 1>He did a good job. I thought of bringing it

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>down to something that we could sort of identify with.

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't He wasn't saying this is just like that

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and um, you know somebody that was just looking for

0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 1>a reason to be mad at us for this podcast.

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Could Mike could say that, So I just I just

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 1>want to clean that up because what what it did

0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 1>so powerfully for me here and that is to be like, yeah,

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it comes to it wasn't like he was fighting for

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 1>a way of life. Like he loved his people, his land,

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>just like we would love our people in our He

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>was a man and it hurts when that stuff is

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 1>taken away, and uh, and and so I just want

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to say, but I think that brings me back to

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 1>what Christie was saying earlier. Um, like, it doesn't have

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to be what we have is that one one one side,

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:06.840
<v Speaker 1>one over the other side. But there's probably a beautiful

0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>connection there somewhere that was missed, that both groups of

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:16.280
<v Speaker 1>people could have survived and had healthy balance of holding

0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>onto what the old and growing with the new at

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:21.919
<v Speaker 1>the same time. It's hard to picture, right because we've

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:25.240
<v Speaker 1>grown up in this world that's defined by that, especially

0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 1>in North America. And yeah, but but right, yeah, I

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>think it does survive though, like some of those those

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Native American tendencies. I see it in my farming, you know,

0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm working with nature, you know, I see it in

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>hunting and conservation. But you know, like because that Western

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 1>way was, you know, we kill all the passenger pigeons

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>or carry whatever, you know, like we extinction extinction. But

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:52.840
<v Speaker 1>yet you see like this model of hunting that's arisen.

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not a hunter, but I love them, you know.

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's like you see this model that's arisen of

0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 1>preservation and I could kill more, but that would hurt,

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, like so and I and I see that

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.120
<v Speaker 1>in my farming. I think there's other you see, like

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 1>some of the rural community stuff of neighboring nous and

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 1>taking care of your neighbors even though it may not

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 1>benefit you directly at that moment. Like, I feel like

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>some of that may I don't know, I feel like

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:24.759
<v Speaker 1>it it isn't there. You know, it's probably subtle, especially

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 1>like Ozark culture, because I mean, like that's where it

0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:31.320
<v Speaker 1>butted up. We're in right next to Oklahoma, you know. Yeah,

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 1>for real, this part of the world, there was a

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of overlap of Native American and poor white white farmers,

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of overlap. But and that

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:44.839
<v Speaker 1>goes back to what I talked about in the first one.

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I think what makes us American? What? Because if it

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 1>had been all these Europeans that came over here, it

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:54.440
<v Speaker 1>just it would have like why are we so different

0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:56.319
<v Speaker 1>than them today? I think a lot of it had

0:53:56.360 --> 0:54:00.799
<v Speaker 1>to do with Native Americans, so that culture age, it's

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 1>hard to put your finger on it. Um Spence impact

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 1>favorite part of it. Yeah, I think there's a couple

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like just the the language, Like there was a point

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:18.359
<v Speaker 1>in my life where I was almost bilingual, you know,

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:22.120
<v Speaker 1>like and Uh, like this caused me to go back

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and look at that and just realize, you know, like

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>like it was Latin. Like if I wanted to eat,

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:31.839
<v Speaker 1>I had to speak in Latin, Okay, you know, like

0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.960
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty hardcore. And and just even going back

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and like I still read my Bible in Latin and

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:42.080
<v Speaker 1>it feels different, like things are transmitted different, and so

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it's I don't know, it was sad to hear about

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the languages. Like when you we're in northwest Arkansas, you

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 1>can drive to Talaqua and I think that's the Cherokee homeland, right,

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and you see all the like just letters I didn't

0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>even know existed. Yeah, yeah, you know it's really cool

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 1>as they're those are in it. But it's that struggle,

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, to to preserve that heritage. And you just

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:06.880
<v Speaker 1>think of like when you hear about all the languages

0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 1>being lost, it's like, man, those are like facets of

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 1>humanity that are growing dim you know, like we lose

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:18.160
<v Speaker 1>something every time one of those goes out. And I

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know that that that part of functional problem though,

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 1>because you know, it's like when you hear about the Shawnees,

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 1>You're like, well, I could learn Shawnee and then it's

0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>like you probably not really. I mean it's almost it's

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>almost like that language is a way of thinking. Yeah,

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, you have to change the way you think

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 1>to be able to communicate in in the Shawnee language,

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I think to Like one thing that I was able

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to identify with is I've got property on both sides

0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:50.000
<v Speaker 1>of a river. And I love rivers. Like I did

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:54.480
<v Speaker 1>grad school work, I really value Ozark rivers. They're incredibly unique,

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>They're they're they're just so underestimated and just how spectacular

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>they are. There's more species of fish in Arkansas than

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.919
<v Speaker 1>most countries. Yeah, yeah, you know, like it's take that word, yeah,

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:11.640
<v Speaker 1>or like the entire Western the entire Western US, you know,

0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 1>like an order of magnitude. And like I've in one

0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:18.879
<v Speaker 1>of my properties, like we have there's a neighbor who

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like just goes and just digs up

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:25.000
<v Speaker 1>in the river and and we have a really good

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.279
<v Speaker 1>section on our part, and it affects it. And like

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I feel helpless sometimes because I have valued the doing

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing, and yeah, and and and honestly, and

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:38.640
<v Speaker 1>those are extremes. What happens down river affects it to

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and I but he has a right to do it,

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and I can't stop it. And you know, I'm not

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:44.560
<v Speaker 1>even gonna talk to him because I don't think it

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 1>would be there and and it you know, my it's

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.320
<v Speaker 1>just there's a little bit of helplessness that you feel.

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:55.960
<v Speaker 1>They're seeing something that you value being destroyed callously. But yeah,

0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, just so someone can play around or or

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 1>do the things they want. And and so I wonder

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like what must that have been, like, you know for

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans, like even like it wasn't during it

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.880
<v Speaker 1>comes this time, but like when the extermination of the buffalo,

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like like that your bison herds across you know, like

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 1>and just being powerless. You know, I don't know, it's

0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:24.640
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like it's just something that spoke to me. Yeah,

0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:28.000
<v Speaker 1>what wasn't there a quote in the first podcast about

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 1>like an insatiable hunger for more, like whether it was

0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:36.160
<v Speaker 1>land or I just think about what is that You

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 1>talk to people sometimes today and I think, man, you

0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>have a you have a fantastic life. You have good kids,

0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know they work really hard and you ask

0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>them and they're like, well, I'm just trying to get

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>my kids better, and I think what's wrong with your life?

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Like better what you know? And I think I think

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:57.280
<v Speaker 1>two comes to like maybe I'm over romanticizing this, but

0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 1>like you're starting to preserve way of life also a mentality.

0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 1>It says, we don't have to go grab up, Like

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.160
<v Speaker 1>what is that in the long term? Look like if

0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>you if if his kids and his kids kids and

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>their kids are always trying to feel this need to grab, grab, grab,

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and that is like that is sad to me, you know,

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:18.240
<v Speaker 1>like winds enough enough, you know that really is a

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:20.440
<v Speaker 1>dramatic difference. We didn't talk about it in this one.

0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Robert Morgan covers and I read it in his book

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 1>on Boone, but he talked about how the there's accounts

0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 1>of different tribes believing that the white men were insane

0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:38.880
<v Speaker 1>for trying to find gold, like just like why what

0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:42.480
<v Speaker 1>do you after? What you're looking? Like why you came

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 1>across the ocean? And in in this idea of wealth

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 1>like story storing up wealth, accumulation of wealth was just

0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 1>like what this bizarre man? You know, we we've got

0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:59.280
<v Speaker 1>what we need right here, you know, um And and

0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>that can be over romanticized and and there was there

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>was a scale of influence of the cultures to like

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 1>later in in the time period, there was probably some

0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:14.840
<v Speaker 1>of the tribes that were very influenced by money. I mean,

0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and David Edmonds talked about it, that they were getting

0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:20.640
<v Speaker 1>money from the government, they were getting supplies, they were

0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they were settling down in farming. Yeah, there were there

0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 1>were more people. And this is what um you gotta

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:32.040
<v Speaker 1>say and understand. And again it's so complex. We're talking

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:36.200
<v Speaker 1>about Takumsa because he was an actually an outlier. Like

0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the tribes were wanted to assimilate. They

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>were getting money from the government, they had a good

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:48.080
<v Speaker 1>land deal. They you know, a lot of the tribes

0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:53.240
<v Speaker 1>wanted to assimilate. Like an oversimplification of it would be

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:58.080
<v Speaker 1>all the Native Americans were wanting, you know, we're fighting

0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 1>against America. So they were were actually a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>tribes fighting with America against the French and other Indians.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like so, and that's why in a two

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<v Speaker 1>hour podcast, you just can't cover the whole thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>told him, I told uh, I told somebody the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm for sure going to get it wrong

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<v Speaker 1>in some places. But what I want people that listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this podcast. To take home is that when they

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<v Speaker 1>think about this place that we live and think about

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<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans, is that it is wildly more complex

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<v Speaker 1>than you could ever imagine. Just you know, when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about the language, and you think about some of

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<v Speaker 1>these tribes getting money from the government, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>have this guy like two Come, so that it is

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<v Speaker 1>standing against the trend and in some ways probably knew,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I wonder if he really thought he could win.

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<v Speaker 1>I often wonder about that, like if he knew he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a mark. Those guys, those guys

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<v Speaker 1>had something inside of them and that this was very

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<v Speaker 1>real that to die was like noble, like his brother,

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<v Speaker 1>She's a quald that said, I'd rather have the fouls

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<v Speaker 1>of their dying camp. Yeah, And that's something that was

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<v Speaker 1>deep inside of them. And so I wonder if it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to I wonder if he really thought he could win.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he probably did. I think he probably did.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh favorite part. So I was also very very impacted

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<v Speaker 1>by the discussion on language. But I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>say the other thing that that is, you know, adjacent

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<v Speaker 1>to two Comes, Two Comes to his history is I

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<v Speaker 1>was real fascinated by how they talked about the the

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of community and how you know, as a Shawnee

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<v Speaker 1>he would have had many fathers and many mothers and

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<v Speaker 1>many brothers. And I thought, what a what an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful thing that that um really, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that two come so it could have been who

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<v Speaker 1>he was without that and recognizing the fact of the

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprint of so many people and so many interactions and

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<v Speaker 1>and relationships that produced who he was and gave him

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<v Speaker 1>the the ability to see a united Native American front.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I I just you know, in short, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was that really impacted me. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me think about about our lives Christie and

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<v Speaker 1>I with our kids and how we have we have

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<v Speaker 1>really you know, raised our family together closely with friends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with you guys and our kids and with

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<v Speaker 1>other people that we know and and care for dearly,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh have shared life and shared community together and

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<v Speaker 1>it's produced these young people who are competent and um

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<v Speaker 1>responsible and and have really themselves gone against the trend

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<v Speaker 1>of the age. I just that that really impacted me,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing that, seeing that thing inside of him, and also

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<v Speaker 1>the identity right like he tells that story about Boone

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<v Speaker 1>and just like I think we're a society that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that, like you're a man now, like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cultures have like you're a man now because you

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<v Speaker 1>go through this like and like how Boone went through

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<v Speaker 1>the purification. I think you said, and now you belong

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<v Speaker 1>to the tribe and there's no question. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And there's very few I think instant institutions

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<v Speaker 1>like I think maybe baptism would be one, like in Christianity. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but where you actually where you have that idea, that

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<v Speaker 1>clear demarcation of identity, and and that was powerful to me. Yeah, Misty,

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<v Speaker 1>have you gone not really, I've just commented anothers I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just I think the whole I I

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<v Speaker 1>love hearing what everybody else has said. I could comment

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<v Speaker 1>really on what Spencer and Josh said, but I I

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<v Speaker 1>know we're kind of running low one time. I think

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<v Speaker 1>to me, as I look at this, as I look

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<v Speaker 1>at the whole podcast, and it kind of goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to what you said a few minutes ago. It does,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope at least it does this for people.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes you see things to the best of your

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<v Speaker 1>ability to extract this information and to extract an accurate

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<v Speaker 1>history from to comes this perspective, and I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's kind of a couple of different schools of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Are camps that I grew up hearing. One exclusive camp,

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<v Speaker 1>which was you know that drive that you know Americans

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<v Speaker 1>have that was very much idealized in the world and

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<v Speaker 1>in the places I grew up, you know, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>Pioneer And and I'm telling you, I think there's some

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<v Speaker 1>really good stuff, Like, there's some stuff in that that

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<v Speaker 1>has been really meaningful even inside my life as an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>just to um metaphorically, So, I mean, there's some good

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in that. It's also when I hear these stories

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<v Speaker 1>and and I do feel some of the influence of

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<v Speaker 1>of those things still on our culture, and you realize, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's also some really good stuff. And I want to

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<v Speaker 1>understand that guy's perspective as well. And he too, come

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<v Speaker 1>say is a hero and and it doesn't mean to

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<v Speaker 1>come say is perfect, and it doesn't mean the Native

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<v Speaker 1>Americans or perfect or um. Like, I think that you

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<v Speaker 1>can have these conversations without uh. And and I think

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<v Speaker 1>you did a good job on that, Like, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think that you did present that. Yeah, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>did a good job on that. Like as I'm as

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to it, I thought, yeah, this helps

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<v Speaker 1>people see because it is a different mindset, like it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't speak that language, we don't we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>those words, those those symbols, those rites of passages like

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<v Speaker 1>you just described, and so we need people to help

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<v Speaker 1>interpret that for us. But I thought what Dave Edmonds

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<v Speaker 1>did with comparing it not and like you said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not not the atrocities that were committed, but just people

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for their way of life. I thought, as I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to that section, I thought, yep, I can see

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what he wanted. I'm sympathetic to it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>see how he is just as much a hero for

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for his way as anyone I know. And and

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<v Speaker 1>so I thought, I thought it was you did a

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<v Speaker 1>great job for that. And I don't know, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about solutions, Okay, well how do you resolve

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<v Speaker 1>all this? How do you? And that's where I think

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<v Speaker 1>it gets really complicated. And but I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the value of understanding someone's perspective and understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what he was trying to do, I got

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of respect for him, all sorts of respect

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<v Speaker 1>for him. Yeah, you know, it's really interesting for me

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<v Speaker 1>inside these series with these guys. I you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>actors that do this, Uh, what's the type of acting

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<v Speaker 1>when they like pantomime, when they when they become the

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<v Speaker 1>person method acting method. Okay, I do not do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do really feel like connected to these guys. I

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<v Speaker 1>really do. And it like I'm like when we ended

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<v Speaker 1>the Boon series, like I really was sad, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you could hear it in my voice

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the Boon series, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>was almost in tears for real in this office bonus. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same way with the Comes to Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already like wishing that it was longer because right now

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<v Speaker 1>in this six week period, like I just I just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about him a lot. The other day, I was

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<v Speaker 1>driving in my truck and again, the biggest challenge with

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<v Speaker 1>with with time and history is that you hear about

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<v Speaker 1>somebody from in eight and they they aren't real to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And two Comes was a human. He was not a

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<v Speaker 1>he was not a comic book character. He he had

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<v Speaker 1>major flaws, he had some major good stuff, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just envisioned like literally two comes to write into my

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<v Speaker 1>truck with me, just like and being able to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>with him and just like it's just like the little

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<v Speaker 1>sliver of thought, just like, this is a real person

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<v Speaker 1>and it was Yeah, I saw all that to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I really feel like I kind of dive into these

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<v Speaker 1>guys and I wish it was longer. Yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>makes you a great storyteller, Clay. Well, are the love

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<v Speaker 1>flying around this room? And if you could get two

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<v Speaker 1>comes to an interview for the podcast, that would be great. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna try to foreshadow any but we will

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<v Speaker 1>be having an induction. I'm not gonna say who, but

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<v Speaker 1>we will be having some inductions into the Grease Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame. It's probably christ will be. There will be

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<v Speaker 1>two new members very Grease Hall of Fame. Which we

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<v Speaker 1>don't throw that around lightly. That is serious after this series,

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<v Speaker 1>can we also, I just think adopt from this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>series the whole what is it arrow flights? Like distance wise?

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<v Speaker 1>If Josh's like, hey Christie, where are you and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like four arrow flights from the house, yes, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that should become a part of I am so

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<v Speaker 1>bad with time space estimating the number of people who

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<v Speaker 1>were at things the size that I mean, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be very hard for me. I just make up if

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<v Speaker 1>you went out and shot a couple of arrows and

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<v Speaker 1>arrow flights pretty I would say it's about two hundred yards,

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<v Speaker 1>and tundred yards would be about six feet um. Two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred yards would be how less than a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>a mile eight yards and a half mile, So a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter mile would be like four hundred fifty yards. What

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<v Speaker 1>are we eight parao flights to Spencer's house? Oh, not

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<v Speaker 1>that far, probably like three a quarter mile south of okay,

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<v Speaker 1>of the town. I just thought that was kind of big. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was too I thought it was too well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you all so much for coming. Jessica. What an

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<v Speaker 1>honor to have you here. Yes, Christie, what an honor

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<v Speaker 1>to have you here, Carol Spencer, what an honor to

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<v Speaker 1>after the practice squad and here we are. Damon Josh

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't even mention the part where you talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the land bridge. Yeah, you talk about the Bearing

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<v Speaker 1>land bridge. It probably shared that Josh was an interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>on that. Another opportunity wasted that on the podcast. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>one day, Josh, one day, one day? All right, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much, and there will be one final two

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<v Speaker 1>Comes to episode titled t Comes to Death. Way to

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<v Speaker 1>bring it down? Make us cry? I don't know. He

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<v Speaker 1>might make himself cry. Is there a flaming arrow somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in Yeah, there should be. There should be