1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a 2 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Render where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: f HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing 6 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: gear that's designed to be as rugged as the places 7 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: we explore. I'm like, you say something announcement Grease Podcast. 8 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: I think it would be appropriate to describe our external 9 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: environment today when I walked, when I took the long 10 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: track from our house and see the World Headquarters or 11 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: also known as me Either South Um. I it was slick, 12 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: there was active sleep, ice fawling, and for Arkansas, you know, 13 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: it takes about well none of that for us to 14 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: cancel today bright and early, because yeah, because it was 15 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: misty outside, and I thought it was a good call. 16 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: It's a misty in here, oh, I think, And so 17 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: it was. It's just really, really, really bad, bad icy weather. 18 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: I just came back from Mexico last week and when 19 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: I got home from Mexico, on the way home, there 20 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: was like six inches of snow. It was we were 21 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: at six thousand feet elevation in Mexico, freezing cold. Luckily 22 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: Clay read like a part of the memo and brought 23 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: a jacket. Like you know, it's almost one of those 24 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: deals where it's like I don't need that much clothing, 25 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: but I did very cold, So I came home to 26 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: bad weather and life statement for Class six seven, eight 27 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: days later. It's like very icy right now. So a 28 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: lot of I've been a lot of places with the 29 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Newcombs where some member of their family didn't have a 30 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: coat jacket. It's yeah, partly why we have such an 31 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: eclectic group of people. You've heard a few voices that 32 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have recognized, and you've not heard some voices 33 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: that are typically here. Gary the Believer Newcomb, it's a 34 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: it's about a three hour drive, two and a half 35 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: hour drive Arkansas, the state of Arkansas. Brent Reeves, we 36 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: told him not to come, and so we have some 37 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: some very new folks. Missy Newcombs here, Josh Lambridge, Spillmakers here. 38 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: Josh introduced your guests. So a very special guest that 39 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm honored to introduce and honored to have been married 40 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: to for almost twenty five years, Mrs Christie Spielmaker. Christie 41 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: it's so great to have you, Christie. Thank you. This 42 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: is a this is a long time dream of mine. Dad. 43 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: Christie Spielmaker on The Bargeras Render Podcast. We've tried. Yeah, 44 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know it, but we've tried a lot. So 45 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: very We're so happy you're here, Christie. I'm so happy 46 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: to be here. Yes, yes, And we've known the Spilmakers 47 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: for decades, so we've raised our kids side by side 48 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: with the Spilmmakers, traveled and so I can't wait to 49 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: hear what you have to say about two Come. So 50 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm very for those. It's possible that people are new 51 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: to our podcast, The Bargeras Podcast. We are. We are 52 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: a documentary style history, anthropology, hillbilly hunting, conservation, musical playing podcast. Um. 53 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: But every other week we have a group of people 54 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: that comes together for the Beargreas Render, which is what 55 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: you're listening then to where we talk about the last 56 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: week's episodes. We're going to talk about two comes apart. 57 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: Two so great, Christie. My guest, well, I have two 58 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: guests here, Misty and I have two guests here. Our 59 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: first guest is Jessica Uwllen, our dear friend of many 60 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: decades as well. Jessica. Yeah, hey, I I came. I 61 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: stayed the night at Jessica's house for the first time 62 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: when I my sixteenth birthday, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, 63 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: seventeenth birthday, that was my first time. Yeah, I still 64 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: remember sitting in the basement living room chit chat. Yes, 65 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: I love and I love really she's she's been our 66 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: kids that were born in the hospital. She was there 67 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: at the hospital for our daughter's births and was here 68 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: very shortly after at our house. When tell the world 69 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: what you do for a living, I'm an architect. Yeah, 70 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: what kind of stuff do you work? Uh? Commercial? I 71 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: don't do a lot of houses, but m yeah, I've 72 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: gotten the Over my twenty plus year career, I've gotten 73 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: to do a lot of different stuff. But right now 74 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: work for a firm that does a lot of commercial development. 75 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 1: So right now I've got some projects with universities around 76 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: the state. Um, locally, I've gotten to do a really 77 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: cool movie theater and some offices and restaurants and things 78 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: like that, and UM, yeah, I really enjoy my job. 79 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: It's it changes a lot day to day. You know, 80 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: some days I and you know, boots and hard hat 81 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: and some days I'm on a computer. Some days I'm 82 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: on phone and meetings. Some days I get to color. 83 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like literally color. I was about to ask 84 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: you if you've ever do you ever draw stuff like 85 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: on a napkin? Like architects usually have paper and pins 86 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: these days. You know, I do have a purse. I 87 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: have an advantage over those guys architects. I'm kind of 88 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: an architect myself, Jessica, as you know, care do you 89 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: remember when we built this office, I said that this 90 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: was going to be a celebration of architecture. Do you 91 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: remember that it's coming back. This wasn't just going to 92 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: be a building. It was gonna be a celebration of architecture. 93 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: But um, so funny story about Jessica that I heard 94 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: her telling yesterday was that when she was in college, 95 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Is okay if I tell this story when she was 96 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: in college, When she was in college at her house, 97 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: they hosted a band that came and played a concert 98 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: in her house and the dude set his symbols on fire. 99 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: In her house was that same living room that I 100 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: first hung out with Misty. This house was legendary in 101 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: Fayetbelle at the time. By the way, and it was 102 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: not once that we had a band play. It was 103 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: like it was like a concert video. This is the 104 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: days before cell phones and smartphones, and in those days, 105 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: you would chalk the sidewalk. You'd write stuff on the sidewalk. 106 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: If you want people to show up with chalk and 107 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: outside your house, well yeah, tell them what we could. 108 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: You didn't even have to say the address. People knew 109 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: this house. It was nicknamed the Slacker House when I 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: lived there. We were not slackers people that lived, but 111 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: the house is known as the slacker house. So we 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: can literally but on the sidewalk Slacker House Friday night, 113 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: eight p m. In the band name, and people show 114 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: up and watch bands. So fun. So how did they 115 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: light their symbols on fire in your living room? Um? 116 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Gel that you put on it? If I remember that, 117 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: you kind of smear on it and then you can 118 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: light it on fire. Um yeah, you know. I'm kind 119 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: of big into like sensational ways attention. I'm thinking about burning, 120 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: like like going on a squirrel hunt and like lighten 121 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: my saddle on or flaming arrows, flaming flaming arrows. I'm 122 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: talking just okay, I'll see what I can find out, 123 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: so you can also just order fajitas at the Mexican. 124 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Our final guest and certainly not least guests who's been 125 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: here before. Yeah, our dear neighbor, also friend for decades, 126 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: our favorite pastored poultry farmer, Terrell Spencer. Good to have you, man. Yeah, 127 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: it's like being on the practice squad and everybody gets 128 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: the flu, so you get to play. Okay, we need it. 129 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: We need to like say, like Terrell Spencer is a 130 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: direct replacement of yeah, exactly, so you need to be 131 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: thinking about und trying to like fill his spot. Christie, 132 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: you got replacements? Well that those are big shoes to fill. Yeah, 133 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: they're actually not. It's like a size eight and a half, 134 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: small feet, big beard, big overall, but no Taryll. So 135 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: you're I just called you Terrill. I'll never call you Terrell. 136 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: Spence is your name. We're close enough you can use 137 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: first name. Well. I remember Spence's last name was Spence, 138 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: and they looked at me and they said his mom 139 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: named him Spence. Tell me about the what you're wearing 140 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: around your neck, this whole thing I forgot to have 141 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: it on. Whatever. Yeah, it's a Grand Champion Rooster call 142 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: medal I won a couple of weeks ago to Dallas 143 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: at the at the American Pastured Poultry Producers Association p Yeah. There. Uh, 144 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: they had a big conference about three fifty farmers and well, 145 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta let's here. I would I would 146 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: blow out every microphone on this. Oh it's okay, do it. Yeah, 147 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: clearly you didn't even move it if you wanted to know. Okay, 148 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: don't don't full force, yea, turn it up just a 149 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: little bit. Turn it up just a little bit. My 150 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: voice is he's got to stand up to get this out. 151 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: You go, okay, excuse me, Well, okay, we're filming now. 152 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: I was doing it earlier on top of the holler 153 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: with my dog scaring vultures. Okay. And he really likes that. 154 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: Some I've voice is a little blown out. I'm assuming 155 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: they they they liked loudness over over like there is 156 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: technical nuance. There's a fellow Christian Alexander. He can turn 157 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: your mic down just a little bit. There, here's a 158 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: fellow Christian Alexander. He's a farmer in North California. And 159 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: he came out and he called and everybody sat down right, 160 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: and uh, what I did? I couldn't compete with that, 161 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: but there were multiple you could do multiple calls. So 162 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: I just did a barrage of mediocre calls and got 163 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: my score up. So I did like a turkey hen gobble, 164 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: like the little that turkeys did, you know. I did 165 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: a poultry predator, an owl and a crow, and there 166 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: you go, and I got my score up to take 167 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: them down. Okay, so our suns play basket all together, 168 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: Spencing and when when when either of the boys score, 169 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: I will ol hoot from the stand and Spence will 170 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: crow call. And it's our goal that one day when 171 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: the boys score on their team, the whole stadium al hoots. 172 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's my goal. Anyway, it happened. We were 173 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: in a really rural school district, if you remember, and 174 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: we we we were making our calls and someone from 175 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: the other side, I'm just saying, like, I love it. 176 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: It's wonderful. One of the things that I We are 177 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: playing for a new team this year, and it's I'm 178 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: a little concerned that they're embarrassed up. I guess what 179 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: the kids kids from down here, their dads are probably 180 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: going crow colle It is what it is, um misty, 181 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: Why don't you read okay, so I I get, you know, 182 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: like updates if if someone in our family hits the papers, 183 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: like I have this this setting where it will send 184 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: me okay the interwet um. It's a setting on Google, 185 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: so someone if someone's in the news or something, I'm 186 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: gonna alert so I can see pictures and stuff like that. Well, 187 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: I've got Clay's name on there, and so I got 188 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: an update that Clay Newcombe and Missy Newcombe were in 189 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the papers. Um or um, it's on the Internet. I 190 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: quickly realized that what I was looking at was an 191 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: AI product, artificial intelligence. And so for people who don't know, 192 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: there are these new newly created robots, recently created robots 193 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: who go around and it's clear that what they do 194 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: is they pull art calls from all over the Internet 195 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: and they make like summarizations of those articles. But they 196 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: don't want to plague your eze and so do not 197 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: plage your eyes. Even though some would say this is 198 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: still plagiarizing. They just swap out some of the keywords. 199 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: So basically, it's a full article that has article that 200 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: was a bio about me and Misty and go ahead 201 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: and read it. And it starts with and it starts 202 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: with mud Neucrom grew up and was launched up inside 203 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: the Washita Mountains as a seventh interval Arkans. And already 204 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, where on nerves did this article stem from? 205 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: What translation? He's a tracker, Donkey Skinner, naturalist and provincial 206 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: social spectator. Let's stop right there. In my bio at 207 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: Meat Eater, it says that I'm a seventh generation ar 208 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Kans and born and raised in Arkansas. So it said, 209 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: and then in that bio I said I am a 210 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: I'm a contoisseur of rural culture. So what did they say? 211 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: They said, he's a tracker, a Donkey Skinner, naturalist, and 212 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: provincial social spectators. Provincial social spectator was a connoisseur of 213 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: rural Is there a t in that word? We don't. 214 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: We don't talk about Clay's pronunciation. Fantastic. There's a lot 215 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,479 Speaker 1: of words that I don't say. Right. He is an essayist, 216 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: movie producer, and this might be one of my favorites. 217 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: The host of the Bear Oil webcast webcast. Well, and 218 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: then Donkey Skinner. Yeah, all right, are you offended that 219 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: they thought that donkey would be a synonym from mule. Yeah, 220 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, a I bought dirt Newcomb has 221 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: been hitched Earth Dirt Nwcombe has been hitched to his 222 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: greater half, Cloudy Newcombs for virtually ten years, which that 223 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: is wrong. Twenty two years Earth Newcomb is important, completely 224 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: different has been dronfully hitched Jim Mudd and foggy like 225 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: investing that needs to be airbrushed, mud and foggy. You 226 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: see what it's it thinks. My name is Newcomb and 227 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: it thanks. Clay is just a word that can be 228 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: You can use synonyms of and misty as well. Foggy, 229 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: mud and foggy like investing energy with their family inside 230 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: the ozark Heaps Mountain. Okay, I'm not gonna go too 231 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: much more, but they do at one point call me, 232 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: uh Foggy Newcomb in And by the end of this 233 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: my name has changed to Dine four children kind of 234 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: love A good nickname my name. That should be your 235 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: new band name. It should be Mudd and foggy. Yeah, 236 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great band name. Mud Dirt 237 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Nuwcomb would be great, but our friend friend Smith already 238 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: has that one taken. Meda your cameraman, great guy, wonderful. 239 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: He's already dirt, so we're already past that. If you 240 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: have a race like three wheelers, your name needs to 241 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: be dirt nukemb Yeah yeah, yeah, three wheelers. I can 242 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: picture airbreast t shirts too. Yeah. Yeah. With with Christie, 243 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: can you tell us what you do? Yeah, I am 244 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: in supply chain, global supply chain, so I work with 245 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: a supply chain company, mainly in the retail sector, doing 246 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: important type work. An avid hunter mm hmm, fisher woman. 247 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: So for years, um, I well, I kind of still 248 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: think you're in trucking, right right, I did that for months, 249 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: but it's stuck. Well no, Well, and you really were 250 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: the trucker for major retailer in the country, that's right, Yes, No, 251 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: Christie's very important. Christ You have such a great story 252 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: because you went to college when you were older. I 253 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: was thirty thirty years old. We had three kids, three kids, 254 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: two foster kids. We have two foster kids. During When 255 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: did you graduate college? How old were you? I was 256 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: thirty four and then now you're like running Planet Earth. 257 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah right, exactly. She is a big for real. I 258 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: mean she is. She's a big shot. And there was 259 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: a time when she worked for a local retailer that 260 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: some have heard of. She doesn't anymore. Can I say their? Kay? 261 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: She used to work for Walmart and every time I 262 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: would go into Walmart and they wouldn't have something that 263 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to send her pictures so she could fix. 264 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: I would get that. I also, we have a very 265 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: close friend. You would call me and be like, I 266 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: bought this fan and I love it, and I have 267 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: ten of them and I bought it. I bought them 268 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: all ten years ago, and I can't find them anymore. 269 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: Can you figure out what happens? I know for sure 270 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: cannot figure out what happens. No idea. But don't forget 271 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: Christie Spielmaker is also a quite the fly fisher woman. 272 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: So it's nice to have the presence of another fly 273 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: fisher in the room here to support you. Hm, where 274 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: do you'all and you'all like to you'll like to go 275 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: over in central Arkansas and north of here, north of 276 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: hers pretty go, Jessica. Now your connections to hunting, well, 277 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: I should probably confess I've never hunted a little bit 278 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, but I hooked my brother 279 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: one time and then no more, no more fishing after that. 280 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: But I very much enjoy a grow grip and family 281 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: that dad brothers, and Um, I reaped the benefits of 282 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: having family and friends that are huntered. Like I was 283 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: telling some friends at work, um, this morning that in 284 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: my freezer right now, I have moose meat, I have 285 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: buffalo meat, I have dear meat, I have chicken. I 286 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: have all these things that people supply, and I'm very grateful. Yeah, 287 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: and I being outdoors. The coolest story are a cool 288 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: story that Jessica's dad has. Who I'm hunted with? Your dad? Yeah? Um, 289 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: is that he knew Elvis Presley? Yeah, can you tell 290 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: us about that. I hope I'm getting these right, Dad, 291 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: hope I'm getting these right. Yeah. Yeah. So I grew 292 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: up in Central Arkansas. There was a guy who was 293 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: a singer in the seventies in Central Arkansas, and my 294 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: dad was learning to do tile, like for bathrooms and kitchens, 295 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: and he was working on that guy's house and Elvis 296 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: came to hang out, and Elvis would like just go 297 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: sit like on the toilet with a little close with 298 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: Elvis lived in Memphis, yea and hour and a half 299 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: from where h and so then you know, apparently, uh, 300 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: this was when my dad was young, probably still in 301 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: high school, and Elvis and this other guy were probably 302 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: in their thirties, and they my dad was always in 303 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: the cool cars. He had a cool car. And then 304 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: and they convinced my dad to take them cruising downtown 305 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: so they could drink and wave it girls from the 306 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: back team. Yeah. Yeah. And then later on my dad 307 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: was racing boats at a lake in central Arkansas. He 308 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: did this regularly and it was kind of a big 309 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: deal back then, and Elvis would be the m C 310 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: or a special guests or whatever, and he before it started, 311 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: he'd find my dad and say hi, and then he'd 312 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: be like, I gotta get out of here, there's too 313 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: many people and go back to the you know where 314 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: the cool kids go. I'm big into Elvis now, Josh, 315 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: when did this happen? It's about two or three weeks ago. 316 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: Is there going to be a podcast the next series? Yeah, there's. 317 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: There's actually a great quote by Ted Nugent about Elvis Presto. 318 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: He said he said, if Elvis had just been bloody 319 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: up to the elbows about once a year, he'd still 320 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: be alive. Remember that, because because he wouldn't have needed 321 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: all the drugs him he had got a natural high. Jessica, 322 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: I believe it. Elvis. You should hear Clay's Elvis call 323 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: oh Man, Christie oh I did. I just want to 324 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: give a shout out because I was on a I 325 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: was on a business trip last week last week or 326 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: the week before, and um, I was in the Dallas 327 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: Fort Worth Airport and I saw a bear grease hat, 328 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: bear grease hat in the wild yep siding in the wild, 329 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: and I just thought, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk 330 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: to this gentleman and just see if he'll talk to me. 331 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: And I was like sweet hat. And he's like, he's 332 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: like thanks, So where'd you get it? And he was 333 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: like mediator website like kind of where. I was like, okay, cool, 334 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: do you listen to the podcast? And he just looked 335 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: at me. He goes religiously and I said, oh, you 336 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: listen to the render. Yeah, And I said, well, sir, 337 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: my husband is Josh Landbridge Speelmaker. I was like exactly exactly, 338 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: and he was like what And then he wanted to 339 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: be my best friend. And so that was Dr Blake 340 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: on his way. He's going to be a doctor at 341 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: the children's hospital here and he's about to move, and 342 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: so I just wanted to give a shout out to 343 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: Dr Blake can repen R. Blake. I have excellent Multiple 344 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: farmers at the Apple conference come up to me and 345 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: they'd listen to the Soil. Yeah, the Soil episode. I 346 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: don't remember any other names, but yeah, you know who 347 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: you are. Yeah. I think that we should start a 348 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: new section where we just call out people's names. It's like, 349 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: that's how every Arkansas event, like all the that's how 350 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: all the Arkansas like social events. You go to an 351 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: education conference and they stand up and they just kind 352 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: of point out all the people in the room. They know. 353 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: Stop it that. I got an email this week about 354 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: a guy and all, forgive me, brother for not having 355 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: your name in front of me, But this guy was 356 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: at a fur trading. He was at a fur sale 357 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: in Idaho. This is a thing for sales. Yeah, yeah, 358 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: they were. They were selling and buying furs, and he 359 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: was wearing a Burgery's hat in the cellar. He was 360 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: wanting to Boston first, if I remember right, And the 361 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: seller saw his Bargery's hat and was like, bro loved 362 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: the podcast and gave him a discount on the first 363 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: tell me he was going to use it as currents. 364 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: That would be good. That would be good. Hey, where 365 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: are we at our on our coonskin hats, Josh. I've 366 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: been working diligently. I've got I've got four left to make. 367 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: They're about one third made, okay, so I just need 368 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: to finish them up. Okay, we need Yeah, at some 369 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: point we're gonna we're gonna sell yes, these coonskin genuine 370 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: Ozark dog treed hats by next render. I will have 371 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: a completion date for you, okay, and they might even 372 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: be done, you never know. Yeah, we just gotta forget 373 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do with him. Hey. Kind of as 374 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: an announcement to just to remind everybody, March fourth in 375 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: Northwest Arkansas, Bentonville is the black Bear Bonanza. It's gonna 376 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: be big man. There will be a coonskin hat. There'll 377 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: be one of Josh's coonskins that anyone with a good 378 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: ol hoo could win. It's gonna be the it's gonna 379 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: be the prize for the old contest. I'll be one 380 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: of the judges. And uh, there's gonna be a live 381 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: Bear Greased Render podcast recorded. There potentially gonna be some 382 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: live music outs maybe maybe maybe, but it's it really 383 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: is gonna be a great day. Man. Those guys have 384 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: done a great job of putting together a really fun event. 385 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: It's all day. I'll be there all day. Uh, Mr 386 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: Fog will be there all Day's gonna be there. To 387 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: James Lawrence that I'm looking forward to. He he messaged 388 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: me the other day. And when I get a text 389 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: message from James Lawrence, I feel like like he shouldn't 390 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: be text messaging, like, um he literally, well he's got 391 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: a real phone now, he's got a good one now. 392 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: But when he comes into town he can message. And 393 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: he messaged me and said, hey, I heard you having 394 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: a some kind of event and I said yeah, and 395 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: he said me and he's coming that. I'm looking forward 396 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: to that. So um to come, sir man. This so 397 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: as everybody knows, I said on the last render, I've 398 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: never taken such a long period of time to build 399 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: a series. It took me over a year, maybe even 400 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: a year and a half two just put all the 401 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: pieces together and get the right it was. It mainly 402 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: had to do with my guests, um, just like lining 403 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: them all up and then then I've got them and 404 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: and Rarely do I have this many like great guests 405 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: on a single podcast. Guests Chief Ben Barnes with a Shawnee, 406 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Robert Morgan, New York Times best selling author, who I 407 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: joke about? And if I am ever on the New 408 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: York Times bestsellers list, I would like for all of you, 409 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: my dear friends. Two when you introduced me, introduced me 410 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: as New York Times bestselling author, and my friend Clay 411 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: new Compe I've got to write a book first though. 412 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: And then Peter Cozens, who is uh a fantastic author 413 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: and historian, and who am I missing? Um? Yeah, Dr 414 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: Dave Edmonds who has spent his whole career. Dave Edmonds 415 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: is in his eighties, and it's just a really fun 416 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot of energy, just so much knowledge. Almost they're like, oh, 417 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: slow down, slow down. Like when I put the headset on, 418 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: he just just took off and he and he would 419 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: he would be like four steps ahead of me, and 420 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: I'd have to be I'd have to stop him and 421 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: then be like, hey, let me ask you this little 422 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: little bitty question. He was great. It such so great, 423 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: So rarely do you have that much time to invest 424 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: into one episode. But it's such a. It's such a 425 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: complex topic. I am quite certain that on when this 426 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: is done, there will be there will be people on 427 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: all both sides of this topic that would think that 428 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: I did it a disservice. I think so because it 429 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: man I said it at the end of maybe the 430 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: first episode of the second episode, I was kind of 431 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: just I kind of at the very end, kind of 432 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: made a plea for empathy to the listeners to just 433 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: be like, hey, there's no way that I could get 434 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: this totally right. And you know, I am telling this 435 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: this story through the veil of my understanding, which is 436 00:28:50,760 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: dim and foggy, foggy view of this. But because it 437 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: is very sensitive stuff because we're talking about we're talking 438 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: about American history, we're talking about the people that we're 439 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: we're a lot of injustice was done to them. But 440 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: you're also talking about a people who, uh, the Europeans, 441 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: who in many ways are overlooked for the stresses that 442 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: they were dealing with as they were trying to move 443 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: into this land that they would have viewed as almost unoccupied. 444 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: And so it's not a justification for that, but that's 445 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: just the truth. I mean, you know, poverty and all 446 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: these factors we're pushing these people, and and it's so 447 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: that there's like all these different sides of it. And 448 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: I think the other aspect of this that's challenging is 449 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: that you don't have history necessarily, that the history books 450 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: were written, not by the show. And so one of 451 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: the big challenges that you have is is you're talking 452 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: a lot about a different worldview and a different paradigm 453 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: that they approached. So and we don't have we don't 454 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: have that worldview clearly documented like we do the Westerners, 455 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: even people who are trying to present it from the 456 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: Shawnee perspective, still that's not there. You know, that's not 457 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: their native language, that's not their native worldview. And so 458 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: so it's it's just it's tricky. Well, there's a bias 459 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: in every every angle, and it really would be this 460 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: way in in any part of history. There's always a 461 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: bias in the way the story is told from from 462 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: any angle. And uh, and especially when you're going back 463 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: into a time period when there was very little documentation anything. 464 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean even about two comes his life. You know, 465 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: I got this book that's you know, two inches thick 466 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: about two Comes to that's got like every possible thing 467 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: that was ever known about him, and much of it 468 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: is even the stuff I reported on about two comes 469 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: as birth and all these things. Man, we're going off 470 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: of like a thread, right, Like instance two comes his 471 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: birth and like him being born under a comment that 472 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: struck like went across the sky in Ohio. Two people 473 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: told that story. Now those two people were close to Tecumsa. 474 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: That's really for that deep of history. It's like pretty 475 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: solid evidence. His his grandson Thomas Wildcat Alfred told that 476 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: story to somebody, said, my grandfather was born under a 477 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: comment and his name means this. But closer to Decompsa 478 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 1: was his brother, essentially his functional brother, who was a 479 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: white kid that was kidnapped and brought into the Shawnees 480 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: raised as his brother that New English. This is stuff 481 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: we didn't really even get to get into. Um Stephen Riddell, 482 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: who lived with the Shawnees for seventeen years and then 483 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: like went back into the white world. He is a 484 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: big source of information about two Comesa because it comes 485 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: to died when he was forty five in eighteen thirteen. 486 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: And so presume I don't know how long Stephen Roddelle lived, 487 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: but presumably longer than Tikomsa. And so when he died, 488 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: people started asking about him and Riddell was like, I 489 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: was his brother and I could speak English. And Riddell 490 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: told that story. But it's not like there was a 491 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: video of it or Facebook posts or exactly. Yeah, even 492 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: at that, you know, one man's you're going off of 493 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: one man's memory, you know. I mean, I can't tell 494 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: you how many times I've told the story. And Chris 495 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: he's like, that's not how it happened, you know, And 496 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: Josh's a compulsive I'm just kidding. Before we move further, 497 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: I think I just wanted logged that I wish we 498 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: had named a kid Wildcat, named a kid mud Dirt 499 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: Wildcat a lot of great our youngest that she's been 500 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: a boy. She was going to be a wolf gang 501 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: because you guys had a bear and we were gonna 502 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: have a wolf. That would have been so guy for 503 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: another kid. Yeah, thanks for that. If we do, I'm 504 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: going to bury an antler with the unbilical cory. Yes. Um, 505 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: So we'll start off the discussion. So we're talking about 506 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: part two, but if you want to reference part one, 507 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: that's okay as well. So Part two was basically it 508 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: comes to his life from about sevent to eighteen twelve. Okay, 509 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: it was kind of after he was established. The first 510 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: podcast established his birth, the context of his birth, and 511 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: kind of there were no official wars going on to 512 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: speak of until the War of eighteen twelve. That's like 513 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: the first like big American war that like we're like, yes, 514 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: they were fighting, but his whole life was filled with warfare, skirmishes, 515 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: tribal warfare. You know, that's something that we didn't get 516 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: into that My dear friend Steve vannella Um called me 517 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: today and talk to me about um was how much 518 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: how much inner tribal warfare there was, like the they 519 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: were a warring people like, uh, I don't want it 520 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: to sound like they were surprised by they didn't understand warfare. 521 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: And in this second one, Robert Morgan talked about how 522 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: the Native Americans viewed warfare differently than the Europeans and 523 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: it was more ritualistic. And you know, you can paint 524 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: this romantic picture of like these people and the way 525 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: they live, but they were they were, they were they 526 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: were very brutal at times to themselves and a lot 527 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: of fighting, just fighting was part of it. I think 528 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: that's even speaks to how much more difficult it probably 529 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: was for two Comes to bring together all the different tribes, 530 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, Like it could be easy to think, oh, 531 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: it's just gathering up people that are all very similar 532 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: or whatever, but there's a lot of difference between those 533 00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: different tribes exactly. There there was incredible difference, and and 534 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the tribes hated each other just for 535 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: the sake of hating each other. And and and we're taking 536 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: land from each other, you know. Um, even though like 537 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: as as you talked about it, there's like this hedgemon 538 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: that we've all been exposed to of like what we 539 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: think a Native American is. And it's like in the 540 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: plains with the big feather bonnet, you know, and that 541 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: you don't think about like in the east in the woods, 542 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: and like marching with the British, and you know, like 543 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: when you see two Comsa, it's like nothing like what 544 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: as a boy growing up in the eighties, what are 545 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: watching westerns? What you think? You know? So it's like 546 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: that thing has to even get moved before you can 547 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: even start looking at and thinking about him. That's what 548 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: I found myself, Like I really don't know anything about this, 549 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, like it's so foreign to me, and it's 550 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: such a huge part of our history that's just we're 551 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: ignorant of, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the way 552 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: we'll do this, I'm gonna go to each one of 553 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: you and ask you what stood out to you, and 554 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: so maybe by the time we're done, we'll have like 555 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: talked about lots of different parts of it. Is that Okay, yeah, Christie, 556 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: can I start out with you what stood out to 557 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: you in this podcast? Okay? So I think there are 558 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: probably two parts that stood out to me. The description 559 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: of the movement of people like being in one location 560 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: and then spreading out all the way across the earth. 561 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: And then so couple that with then in the first 562 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: episode when it was I can't remember who it was, 563 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: but described that like two kums would have approached people 564 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: and things from what is similar, not what's different. And 565 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: so then you start you kind of like start putting 566 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: it all together, and you're like, this whole movement of 567 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: people from like one central kind of location out across 568 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: the earth over many, many years obviously produced different mindsets 569 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: and thought processes in world views. And it just makes 570 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: me sit back and wonder, like does the worldview always 571 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: have to conflict or could there have been you know, 572 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: when I think about this, could the Western worldview and 573 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: the Native American worldview have come together to produce something 574 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: better than what we even have today? Right? Instead, it 575 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: was conflict and one had to you know, quote unquote 576 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: win out or whatever. And I sit back and I 577 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: think about that because in my world, like it's all 578 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: about like I've got to go build relationships and build 579 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: rapport and go find common ground. And it's like what 580 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: if I just approach people and thought, hey, there just 581 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: is common ground, like you know what I mean, even 582 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: in my daily life just thinking about how does that apply? 583 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: So I was impacted by that. I thought that was 584 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: pretty wild and just interesting to think about. But then 585 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: even even just what you just described, I mean two 586 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: comes to I had to go and talk to people 587 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: who also tribes you had different worldview I don't know 588 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: about world views, but different views and try to go 589 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: find common ground. So you know, it's it's it was 590 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: an interesting kind of like how does it practically play out? 591 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: So I was impacted by that, and then can I 592 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,479 Speaker 1: say something to that? And then you get to go again? 593 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: Because I'm very glad you brought that up, because if 594 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: that was such a the idea, like taking it all 595 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: the way back to the human diaspora out of where 596 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: we started. I was afraid to try to pronounce that. Yeah, well, 597 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm sure I pronounced it wrong. Pronounced it wrong. I 598 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: think I think you nailed that one. Actually, well that 599 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: it's such a wild thought to think that we are 600 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: the same species, we're the same And two people left 601 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: and separate, and it's a very simplified version of the 602 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: human diaspora. Yes, two people left in different directions. They 603 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: didn't know they were on a round planet, and time 604 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: separated them for so long that when they met on 605 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: the American frontier, they were vastly their their thought of 606 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: what it meant to be a human was vastly different. 607 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: And and then there was this conflict, and uh yeah, 608 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: to me, like I could just sit and just think 609 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: about that and just be like wow, wild. And then 610 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, I talked about the Tower of Babel and 611 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: the Bible, where language was the way that God basically 612 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: stripped people of being able to collaborate together, and how 613 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: today that is so, I mean, language is everything. But yes, 614 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that the part where you 615 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: guys talked about language and the way is the Um, 616 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: the language influenced thought and thought influenced language was really 617 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: striking to me. Y'all know, I'm a big movie watcher 618 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: and so many things take me back to movies. Um, 619 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, there's uh, there's a movie called Arrival that 620 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: was about like aliens landing and this woman trying to 621 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: communicate with aliens. And that's one of the big ideas 622 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: in that movie, is like how communication shapes thought and 623 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: thought shapes communication and back and forth. And I thought 624 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: that the way that was described was really interesting and 625 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: captured that idea. And it's true, like the way we 626 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: the way we talk is a reflection of what we 627 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: think that it also influences the way we think and 628 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: back and forth. It's a cyclical thing. And so just 629 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: being aware just in a practical life. Was this going 630 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: to be one of your favorite topics for this Yeah, 631 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: because I want to talk about language. Okay, okay, My 632 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: second second one. My second one was Logan's Lament. Yeah. 633 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: I just thought that was pretty I mean, I thought 634 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: it was beautiful, but but like so sad and just 635 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: just that side of like, man, he really treated people. 636 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: One way and was horribly you know, unjustly treated by 637 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: that same group of people. And I just yeah, so 638 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: I was I liked how Ben Barnes said, he's your soul, 639 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: can't help but be moved. After you read that, he 640 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: said something really striking about how are yeah interesting Jessica 641 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: ladies first, absolutely okay, impacting impacting thoughts. Yeah, And I 642 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: was thinking a lot about how how language influences thought, 643 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: and thought influences language, and how that's the same for everybody. 644 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: That's a life principle. You know, It's like you got 645 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: to be conscious of how you talk because it does 646 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: influence how you think. And you also you can tell 647 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: a lot about how someone thinks by the way they talk. 648 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: And um, yeah, I just thought it was really interesting 649 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: where the decrease from six thousand languages two and fifty 650 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,919 Speaker 1: was that the statistics and what how what time frame? 651 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: Remember like in the next seventy years, unbelievable, Every every 652 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: two every week there is a language crossed off the 653 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: US that dies like in And we'll talk about this more, 654 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: I think in the next episode. But he you know, 655 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, they're around two and fifty people on planet 656 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: Earth that speaks Shawnny and what he said to me 657 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: that really got my gears turnament was he said that 658 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: mono lingual speakers have a hard time understanding why speaking 659 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: multiple languages is important. And he said that languages allow 660 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,399 Speaker 1: us to to to view the world in a different way, 661 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: and when you really practically think about what that means. 662 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: This would be an example, as I've thought about it. 663 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: Imagine that you're walking down a country road and there's 664 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: a creek gurgling off to the right hand side, and 665 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: you're just kind of it's peaceful, there's birds, and you're 666 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: just having like a nice walk, a contemplative walk, and 667 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: you're thinking about important stuff in your life. And I 668 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: don't know, how would you describe have that in English. 669 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm not really asking for an answer, but I'm saying 670 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: you would probably have to like make a lot of 671 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: different thoughts and say a lot of different stuff, and 672 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: take a lot of time to like describe like kind 673 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: of a complex thing that's happening. Because the creek a 674 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: creek doesn't really affect like my family, but maybe I'm 675 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: thinking about my family. Perhaps there is a word in 676 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: another language that you could say, I went and x 677 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: x X, and that and you would be like, Oh, 678 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: you were walking down the road and there was a 679 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: creek babbling beside you, and you were thinking about your 680 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: life and contemplating, and do you see what I'm saying. 681 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: Maybe there's like like there's words that describe stuff that 682 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: we don't have words. You know, We've always we've always 683 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,240 Speaker 1: heard that that French is the language of love and 684 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: and uh, which this is shaking yes or no, but 685 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: the point being, there's ways that they say they capture 686 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: parts of life that the English language just doesn't have 687 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: the ability to capture. And so I thought about that 688 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: because that's what I try to do as a like, 689 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 1: as a storyteller, as a writer. It's like, you're trying 690 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: to describe this really complex life we live, and there 691 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: are words and other languages that say stuff that we 692 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: don't know how to say. I think there's a there's 693 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: a up in Alaska. There's a uh maybe I don't 694 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: know who it is, but they have like twenty seven 695 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,919 Speaker 1: words for snow. Yes, we've got the one. I think 696 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: about one of the lessons that we go through with 697 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: our kids um at at school and one of the 698 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: classes I teach Hardy he gave her a hearty welcome. 699 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: What do you picture like a loud welcome? Okay? What 700 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: kind of people? I don't know who's given the hearty welcome? 701 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: Who do you picture given that? Like? What's friends and family? Okay? 702 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: What's he wearing? Santa Claus suit? Really interesting? Plaid? Okay? Um, 703 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 1: and you would be amazing how many people say plaid 704 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: our flannel? You would be I mean, like almost ninety 705 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: percent of people to say that he gave her a 706 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: cordial greeting. Yeah, bow tie okay, one of those words, 707 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: one of hearty welcome. When you like trace that phrase, 708 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 1: when you take specifically hardy, when you trace that back 709 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: to its origins, that is a the origins. I think 710 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: it's a Nordic language that was spoken by peasants. Cordial welcome. 711 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: I belief stints from French, like if you if you 712 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: go into that and and so you end up with 713 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: generations beyond where I I can't even I teach this, 714 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: I haven't in my notes. Um. But you know, we 715 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: don't know where those the origin of those words came from, 716 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,959 Speaker 1: but we still infer the same the same. We don't 717 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: conscious that it came from that, but we know that 718 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: Josh Spellmaker would give a hearty welcome. It puts an 719 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: image in your head as Josh yeah and he wears, 720 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: But you get those images in your head centuries after 721 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: those those The language carries a lot of stuff with 722 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: it that maybe you don't even Yeah, yeah for sure. 723 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: And so I think I thought that was a super 724 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: interesting thing. And and if back to your point about 725 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: about you know, you're trying to give this perspective there, 726 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: this is a language that is dying or are greatly 727 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: is like an endangered language, and so we don't know 728 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: the history because we don't understand what they were saying. 729 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: We don't understand what was being communicated. And and that's yeah, 730 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: that's a real valuable part of the bias to to 731 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: inspect and to understand. And you know alluded to this 732 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: in the podcast, but it's and I think it's a 733 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: hard judgment to say that to come so it would 734 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: have been the greatest orator in American history, Like that's 735 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: probably a stretch. I had some real winners because we 736 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: don't have a recording of it. But what I think 737 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: historians are trying to do is throw the guy bone 738 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: and say the way that he organized people, like the 739 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: evidence of strong oration was there so strongly that we 740 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: can assume and the way people talked about it. But 741 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: the Shawnee language carried him. And now he would have 742 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 1: been speaking some of his stuff in English, but most 743 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: of his stuff for him to inspire as people, it 744 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: would have been he would have been speaking Shawnee most likely, 745 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: and and in other tribes he probably would have spoken 746 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: some of their life. But you know, just kind of 747 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 1: like this language carried this incredible orator, so you know, 748 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: like what was inside of it? M but interesting, Jessica. 749 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,439 Speaker 1: Second second thing, Okay, Um, I liked when you guys 750 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: were talking about um change. You know, UM. In my profession, 751 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: I'm an architect. I interact with tons of people at 752 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 1: different scales of development, you know, city planners and things 753 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: like that, and change is a big topic, especially in 754 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: a region like where we live, where like we are 755 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: on a trajectory of growth and it's not going to stop. 756 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 1: And um. Yeah. So one thing that's talked about a 757 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: lot in design and city planning and architecture is like 758 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: things are going to change, They're gonna grow, or they're 759 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: gonna go downhill. And so that the point is we've 760 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: got to grow in the right way. So I was 761 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,839 Speaker 1: just thinking about, like, there are ways to keep what's 762 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: good and still adjust because change is gonna happen, Like yeah, 763 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: and I would say change is good, but also like 764 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,919 Speaker 1: we've got to be anchored by things that don't change. 765 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 1: And it's it's it's really As I was listening to this, 766 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: I was listening to uh was it then you were 767 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: talking to Yeah, And as you all were talking about it, 768 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, you know, going back to my grandparents, 769 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,760 Speaker 1: there are things that they believe in that they thought 770 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: that we're not good, not good for them, not good 771 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: for others. They were restrictions, mindsets that restricted them as 772 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: individuals and restricted their scope of of experience, and and 773 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: that we can I mean, uh, go mack even further, 774 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: think about the change that having like heat has brought us, 775 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,840 Speaker 1: and the change that good solid medicine has improved, you know. Yeah, 776 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: And there's some things that I'm not going to go 777 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: without that I'm a big fan of and I don't 778 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: want to go without. And I think that we can 779 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: romanticize the old ways or the traditional ways personally, like 780 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 1: I think I I am very much so in the 781 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 1: camp of people that could easily do that and and 782 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: and so it was an interesting take. As I was 783 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: listening to the two of you talk on the podcast, 784 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,760 Speaker 1: that was a big thought going through my mind, is like, well, 785 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: change is good, but also there's some things that shouldn't change, 786 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 1: and there's some things that that you don't you don't 787 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 1: want to change, and there is just this constant tension. 788 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: And I think like in our home, we would say 789 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: migration is a value, something that we value, like the 790 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,680 Speaker 1: ability to migrate, to hire respectives and and things like that, 791 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: and that that's actually like a declared value of the 792 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: system of our home. At the same time, we're very 793 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: much so deeply anchored to ancient principles and ancient value 794 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: systems that we tell our kids this isn't gonna change, 795 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: this is this is what you And so I just 796 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,439 Speaker 1: I just think it's an interesting tension there, like it's 797 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: not something and you can see why wars are fought 798 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,839 Speaker 1: over it. Let me let me do a little clean 799 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: up that section, because that section was one that potentially 800 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 1: somebody could have a hard time with because what David 801 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: Edmond was doing was he was trying to help He 802 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: was trying to help us in modern times here in America. 803 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: Understand at the at a very small level, what was 804 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: happening to Ta Komsa. He was not because he talked 805 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: about coal miners losing their losing their their their way 806 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: of life, and rural America losing our way of life. 807 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: And the problem with that argument, as you could say, 808 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,399 Speaker 1: wait a minute, you're saying coal miners not being able 809 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 1: to dig col anymore is like, you know, the genocide 810 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 1: of the people. You see, That's not what we're saying, 811 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,320 Speaker 1: and that's not what he was saying. He was trying. 812 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: He did a good job. I thought of bringing it 813 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 1: down to something that we could sort of identify with. 814 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't He wasn't saying this is just like that 815 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: and um, you know somebody that was just looking for 816 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 1: a reason to be mad at us for this podcast. 817 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: Could Mike could say that, So I just I just 818 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: want to clean that up because what what it did 819 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: so powerfully for me here and that is to be like, yeah, 820 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: it comes to it wasn't like he was fighting for 821 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: a way of life. Like he loved his people, his land, 822 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: just like we would love our people in our He 823 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: was a man and it hurts when that stuff is 824 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: taken away, and uh, and and so I just want 825 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 1: to say, but I think that brings me back to 826 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 1: what Christie was saying earlier. Um, like, it doesn't have 827 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: to be what we have is that one one one side, 828 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: one over the other side. But there's probably a beautiful 829 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: connection there somewhere that was missed, that both groups of 830 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:16,280 Speaker 1: people could have survived and had healthy balance of holding 831 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: onto what the old and growing with the new at 832 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,919 Speaker 1: the same time. It's hard to picture, right because we've 833 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,240 Speaker 1: grown up in this world that's defined by that, especially 834 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: in North America. And yeah, but but right, yeah, I 835 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: think it does survive though, like some of those those 836 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 1: Native American tendencies. I see it in my farming, you know, 837 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm working with nature, you know, I see it in 838 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: hunting and conservation. But you know, like because that Western 839 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: way was, you know, we kill all the passenger pigeons 840 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: or carry whatever, you know, like we extinction extinction. But 841 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,840 Speaker 1: yet you see like this model of hunting that's arisen. 842 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 1: And I'm not a hunter, but I love them, you know. 843 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 1: And it's like you see this model that's arisen of 844 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 1: preservation and I could kill more, but that would hurt, 845 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, like so and I and I see that 846 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: in my farming. I think there's other you see, like 847 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 1: some of the rural community stuff of neighboring nous and 848 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: taking care of your neighbors even though it may not 849 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 1: benefit you directly at that moment. Like, I feel like 850 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,960 Speaker 1: some of that may I don't know, I feel like 851 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 1: it it isn't there. You know, it's probably subtle, especially 852 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: like Ozark culture, because I mean, like that's where it 853 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,320 Speaker 1: butted up. We're in right next to Oklahoma, you know. Yeah, 854 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 1: for real, this part of the world, there was a 855 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of overlap of Native American and poor white white farmers, 856 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of overlap. But and that 857 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,839 Speaker 1: goes back to what I talked about in the first one. 858 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 1: I think what makes us American? What? Because if it 859 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: had been all these Europeans that came over here, it 860 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: just it would have like why are we so different 861 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 1: than them today? I think a lot of it had 862 00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,799 Speaker 1: to do with Native Americans, so that culture age, it's 863 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: hard to put your finger on it. Um Spence impact 864 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: favorite part of it. Yeah, I think there's a couple 865 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: like just the the language, Like there was a point 866 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,359 Speaker 1: in my life where I was almost bilingual, you know, 867 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: like and Uh, like this caused me to go back 868 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 1: and look at that and just realize, you know, like 869 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,239 Speaker 1: like it was Latin. Like if I wanted to eat, 870 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,839 Speaker 1: I had to speak in Latin, Okay, you know, like 871 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,960 Speaker 1: it was pretty hardcore. And and just even going back 872 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,880 Speaker 1: and like I still read my Bible in Latin and 873 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: it feels different, like things are transmitted different, and so 874 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it was sad to hear about 875 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: the languages. Like when you we're in northwest Arkansas, you 876 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: can drive to Talaqua and I think that's the Cherokee homeland, right, 877 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,600 Speaker 1: and you see all the like just letters I didn't 878 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: even know existed. Yeah, yeah, you know it's really cool 879 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: as they're those are in it. But it's that struggle, 880 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, to to preserve that heritage. And you just 881 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,880 Speaker 1: think of like when you hear about all the languages 882 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 1: being lost, it's like, man, those are like facets of 883 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: humanity that are growing dim you know, like we lose 884 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: something every time one of those goes out. And I 885 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: don't know that that that part of functional problem though, 886 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,319 Speaker 1: because you know, it's like when you hear about the Shawnees, 887 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,120 Speaker 1: You're like, well, I could learn Shawnee and then it's 888 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 1: like you probably not really. I mean it's almost it's 889 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: almost like that language is a way of thinking. Yeah, 890 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, you have to change the way you think 891 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: to be able to communicate in in the Shawnee language, 892 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: I think to Like one thing that I was able 893 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: to identify with is I've got property on both sides 894 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: of a river. And I love rivers. Like I did 895 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: grad school work, I really value Ozark rivers. They're incredibly unique, 896 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,680 Speaker 1: They're they're they're just so underestimated and just how spectacular 897 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: they are. There's more species of fish in Arkansas than 898 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,919 Speaker 1: most countries. Yeah, yeah, you know, like it's take that word, yeah, 899 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 1: or like the entire Western the entire Western US, you know, 900 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: like an order of magnitude. And like I've in one 901 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,879 Speaker 1: of my properties, like we have there's a neighbor who 902 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: just kind of like just goes and just digs up 903 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: in the river and and we have a really good 904 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,279 Speaker 1: section on our part, and it affects it. And like 905 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,439 Speaker 1: I feel helpless sometimes because I have valued the doing 906 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 1: what they're doing, and yeah, and and and honestly, and 907 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: those are extremes. What happens down river affects it to 908 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,120 Speaker 1: and I but he has a right to do it, 909 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 1: and I can't stop it. And you know, I'm not 910 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: even gonna talk to him because I don't think it 911 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 1: would be there and and it you know, my it's 912 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,320 Speaker 1: just there's a little bit of helplessness that you feel. 913 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,960 Speaker 1: They're seeing something that you value being destroyed callously. But yeah, 914 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, just so someone can play around or or 915 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: do the things they want. And and so I wonder 916 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,920 Speaker 1: like what must that have been, like, you know for 917 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 1: the Native Americans, like even like it wasn't during it 918 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 1: comes this time, but like when the extermination of the buffalo, 919 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: like like that your bison herds across you know, like 920 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: and just being powerless. You know, I don't know, it's 921 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: just kind of like it's just something that spoke to me. Yeah, 922 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: what wasn't there a quote in the first podcast about 923 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: like an insatiable hunger for more, like whether it was 924 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: land or I just think about what is that You 925 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 1: talk to people sometimes today and I think, man, you 926 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,280 Speaker 1: have a you have a fantastic life. You have good kids, 927 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: and you know they work really hard and you ask 928 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: them and they're like, well, I'm just trying to get 929 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 1: my kids better, and I think what's wrong with your life? 930 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: Like better what you know? And I think I think 931 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: two comes to like maybe I'm over romanticizing this, but 932 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,000 Speaker 1: like you're starting to preserve way of life also a mentality. 933 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,120 Speaker 1: It says, we don't have to go grab up, Like 934 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: what is that in the long term? Look like if 935 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: you if if his kids and his kids kids and 936 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: their kids are always trying to feel this need to grab, grab, grab, 937 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,440 Speaker 1: and that is like that is sad to me, you know, 938 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,240 Speaker 1: like winds enough enough, you know that really is a 939 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,440 Speaker 1: dramatic difference. We didn't talk about it in this one. 940 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: Robert Morgan covers and I read it in his book 941 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 1: on Boone, but he talked about how the there's accounts 942 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: of different tribes believing that the white men were insane 943 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: for trying to find gold, like just like why what 944 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: do you after? What you're looking? Like why you came 945 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 1: across the ocean? And in in this idea of wealth 946 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,680 Speaker 1: like story storing up wealth, accumulation of wealth was just 947 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,880 Speaker 1: like what this bizarre man? You know, we we've got 948 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: what we need right here, you know, um And and 949 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,840 Speaker 1: that can be over romanticized and and there was there 950 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: was a scale of influence of the cultures to like 951 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: later in in the time period, there was probably some 952 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: of the tribes that were very influenced by money. I mean, 953 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 1: and David Edmonds talked about it, that they were getting 954 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: money from the government, they were getting supplies, they were 955 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: they were settling down in farming. Yeah, there were there 956 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,880 Speaker 1: were more people. And this is what um you gotta 957 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:32,040 Speaker 1: say and understand. And again it's so complex. We're talking 958 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 1: about Takumsa because he was an actually an outlier. Like 959 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 1: a lot of the tribes were wanted to assimilate. They 960 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,360 Speaker 1: were getting money from the government, they had a good 961 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 1: land deal. They you know, a lot of the tribes 962 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 1: wanted to assimilate. Like an oversimplification of it would be 963 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,080 Speaker 1: all the Native Americans were wanting, you know, we're fighting 964 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,800 Speaker 1: against America. So they were were actually a lot of 965 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: tribes fighting with America against the French and other Indians. 966 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,640 Speaker 1: So it's like so, and that's why in a two 967 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,640 Speaker 1: hour podcast, you just can't cover the whole thing. I 968 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,920 Speaker 1: told him, I told uh, I told somebody the other day, 969 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I said, I'm for sure going to get it wrong 970 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,800 Speaker 1: in some places. But what I want people that listen 971 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,280 Speaker 1: to this podcast. To take home is that when they 972 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 1: think about this place that we live and think about 973 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: the Native Americans, is that it is wildly more complex 974 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: than you could ever imagine. Just you know, when you 975 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,040 Speaker 1: think about the language, and you think about some of 976 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,840 Speaker 1: these tribes getting money from the government, and then you 977 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,760 Speaker 1: have this guy like two Come, so that it is 978 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,840 Speaker 1: standing against the trend and in some ways probably knew, 979 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, I wonder if he really thought he could win. 980 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 1: I often wonder about that, like if he knew he 981 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 1: was going to be a mark. Those guys, those guys 982 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: had something inside of them and that this was very 983 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,479 Speaker 1: real that to die was like noble, like his brother, 984 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,360 Speaker 1: She's a quald that said, I'd rather have the fouls 985 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:13,160 Speaker 1: of their dying camp. Yeah, And that's something that was 986 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 1: deep inside of them. And so I wonder if it 987 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 1: comes to I wonder if he really thought he could win. 988 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,160 Speaker 1: I think he probably did. I think he probably did. 989 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Josh favorite part. So I was also very very impacted 990 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:40,520 Speaker 1: by the discussion on language. But I do want to 991 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: say the other thing that that is, you know, adjacent 992 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 1: to two Comes, Two Comes to his history is I 993 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,280 Speaker 1: was real fascinated by how they talked about the the 994 01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 1: aspect of community and how you know, as a Shawnee 995 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: he would have had many fathers and many mothers and 996 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,480 Speaker 1: many brothers. And I thought, what a what an amazing 997 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:12,640 Speaker 1: beautiful thing that that um really, you know, I don't 998 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,320 Speaker 1: think that two come so it could have been who 999 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,000 Speaker 1: he was without that and recognizing the fact of the 1000 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 1: fingerprint of so many people and so many interactions and 1001 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:28,439 Speaker 1: and relationships that produced who he was and gave him 1002 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 1: the the ability to see a united Native American front. 1003 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 1: And so I I just you know, in short, I 1004 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,240 Speaker 1: think that was that really impacted me. And you know, 1005 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: it makes me think about about our lives Christie and 1006 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: I with our kids and how we have we have 1007 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,840 Speaker 1: really you know, raised our family together closely with friends, 1008 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, with you guys and our kids and with 1009 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: other people that we know and and care for dearly, 1010 01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 1: and uh have shared life and shared community together and 1011 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:06,400 Speaker 1: it's produced these young people who are competent and um 1012 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,720 Speaker 1: responsible and and have really themselves gone against the trend 1013 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 1: of the age. I just that that really impacted me, 1014 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,919 Speaker 1: seeing that, seeing that thing inside of him, and also 1015 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 1: the identity right like he tells that story about Boone 1016 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,200 Speaker 1: and just like I think we're a society that doesn't 1017 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,280 Speaker 1: have that, like you're a man now, like a lot 1018 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,800 Speaker 1: of cultures have like you're a man now because you 1019 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: go through this like and like how Boone went through 1020 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,040 Speaker 1: the purification. I think you said, and now you belong 1021 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,720 Speaker 1: to the tribe and there's no question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1022 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:44,000 Speaker 1: you know. And there's very few I think instant institutions 1023 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,200 Speaker 1: like I think maybe baptism would be one, like in Christianity. Um, 1024 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,520 Speaker 1: but where you actually where you have that idea, that 1025 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:59,480 Speaker 1: clear demarcation of identity, and and that was powerful to me. Yeah, Misty, 1026 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,919 Speaker 1: have you gone not really, I've just commented anothers I think, 1027 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, I just I think the whole I I 1028 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,160 Speaker 1: love hearing what everybody else has said. I could comment 1029 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 1: really on what Spencer and Josh said, but I I 1030 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,360 Speaker 1: know we're kind of running low one time. I think 1031 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: to me, as I look at this, as I look 1032 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,120 Speaker 1: at the whole podcast, and it kind of goes back 1033 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,640 Speaker 1: to what you said a few minutes ago. It does, 1034 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 1: and I hope at least it does this for people. 1035 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,680 Speaker 1: It makes you see things to the best of your 1036 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,480 Speaker 1: ability to extract this information and to extract an accurate 1037 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,400 Speaker 1: history from to comes this perspective, and I think, you know, 1038 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,919 Speaker 1: there's kind of a couple of different schools of thought. 1039 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,400 Speaker 1: Are camps that I grew up hearing. One exclusive camp, 1040 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,320 Speaker 1: which was you know that drive that you know Americans 1041 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,160 Speaker 1: have that was very much idealized in the world and 1042 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,640 Speaker 1: in the places I grew up, you know, yeah, the 1043 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Pioneer And and I'm telling you, I think there's some 1044 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,080 Speaker 1: really good stuff, Like, there's some stuff in that that 1045 01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 1: has been really meaningful even inside my life as an adult, 1046 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,680 Speaker 1: just to um metaphorically, So, I mean, there's some good 1047 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 1: stuff in that. It's also when I hear these stories 1048 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,120 Speaker 1: and and I do feel some of the influence of 1049 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 1: of those things still on our culture, and you realize, man, 1050 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,840 Speaker 1: that's also some really good stuff. And I want to 1051 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 1: understand that guy's perspective as well. And he too, come 1052 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,920 Speaker 1: say is a hero and and it doesn't mean to 1053 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: come say is perfect, and it doesn't mean the Native 1054 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,960 Speaker 1: Americans or perfect or um. Like, I think that you 1055 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,280 Speaker 1: can have these conversations without uh. And and I think 1056 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 1: you did a good job on that, Like, I actually 1057 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:37,280 Speaker 1: think that you did present that. Yeah, I think you 1058 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 1: did a good job on that. Like as I'm as 1059 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,680 Speaker 1: I was listening to it, I thought, yeah, this helps 1060 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,080 Speaker 1: people see because it is a different mindset, like it is. 1061 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: We don't speak that language, we don't we don't have 1062 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,360 Speaker 1: those words, those those symbols, those rites of passages like 1063 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,360 Speaker 1: you just described, and so we need people to help 1064 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: interpret that for us. But I thought what Dave Edmonds 1065 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,919 Speaker 1: did with comparing it not and like you said, it's 1066 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,080 Speaker 1: not not the atrocities that were committed, but just people 1067 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,760 Speaker 1: fighting for their way of life. I thought, as I 1068 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,480 Speaker 1: listened to that section, I thought, yep, I can see 1069 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,280 Speaker 1: exactly what he wanted. I'm sympathetic to it, and I 1070 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 1: see how he is just as much a hero for 1071 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,480 Speaker 1: fighting for his way as anyone I know. And and 1072 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,320 Speaker 1: so I thought, I thought it was you did a 1073 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,080 Speaker 1: great job for that. And I don't know, like when 1074 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,400 Speaker 1: you're thinking about solutions, Okay, well how do you resolve 1075 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 1: all this? How do you? And that's where I think 1076 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: it gets really complicated. And but I think I think 1077 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: as far as the value of understanding someone's perspective and understanding, 1078 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, what he was trying to do, I got 1079 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,200 Speaker 1: all sorts of respect for him, all sorts of respect 1080 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,840 Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, you know, it's really interesting for me 1081 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 1: inside these series with these guys. I you know, these 1082 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: actors that do this, Uh, what's the type of acting 1083 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,360 Speaker 1: when they like pantomime, when they when they become the 1084 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:03,400 Speaker 1: person method acting method. Okay, I do not do that. 1085 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:11,880 Speaker 1: I do really feel like connected to these guys. I 1086 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,720 Speaker 1: really do. And it like I'm like when we ended 1087 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,040 Speaker 1: the Boon series, like I really was sad, Like I 1088 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 1: don't know if you could hear it in my voice 1089 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the Boon series, but like I 1090 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,480 Speaker 1: was almost in tears for real in this office bonus. Um. 1091 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,520 Speaker 1: It's the same way with the Comes to Like I'm 1092 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:36,680 Speaker 1: already like wishing that it was longer because right now 1093 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,640 Speaker 1: in this six week period, like I just I just 1094 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,120 Speaker 1: thinking about him a lot. The other day, I was 1095 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,000 Speaker 1: driving in my truck and again, the biggest challenge with 1096 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,080 Speaker 1: with with time and history is that you hear about 1097 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,560 Speaker 1: somebody from in eight and they they aren't real to you. 1098 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,880 Speaker 1: And two Comes was a human. He was not a 1099 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: he was not a comic book character. He he had 1100 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,440 Speaker 1: major flaws, he had some major good stuff, and I 1101 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 1: just envisioned like literally two comes to write into my 1102 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,759 Speaker 1: truck with me, just like and being able to communicate 1103 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,040 Speaker 1: with him and just like it's just like the little 1104 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: sliver of thought, just like, this is a real person 1105 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,200 Speaker 1: and it was Yeah, I saw all that to say, 1106 01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,320 Speaker 1: I really feel like I kind of dive into these 1107 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 1: guys and I wish it was longer. Yeah, that's what 1108 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:41,320 Speaker 1: makes you a great storyteller, Clay. Well, are the love 1109 01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,240 Speaker 1: flying around this room? And if you could get two 1110 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:49,600 Speaker 1: comes to an interview for the podcast, that would be great. Hey, 1111 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,559 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to foreshadow any but we will 1112 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,479 Speaker 1: be having an induction. I'm not gonna say who, but 1113 01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: we will be having some inductions into the Grease Hall 1114 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 1: of Fame. It's probably christ will be. There will be 1115 01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,680 Speaker 1: two new members very Grease Hall of Fame. Which we 1116 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,839 Speaker 1: don't throw that around lightly. That is serious after this series, 1117 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,759 Speaker 1: can we also, I just think adopt from this podcast 1118 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,439 Speaker 1: series the whole what is it arrow flights? Like distance wise? 1119 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,360 Speaker 1: If Josh's like, hey Christie, where are you and I'm 1120 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,080 Speaker 1: like four arrow flights from the house, yes, I feel 1121 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,479 Speaker 1: like that should become a part of I am so 1122 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,439 Speaker 1: bad with time space estimating the number of people who 1123 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: were at things the size that I mean, that would 1124 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,680 Speaker 1: be very hard for me. I just make up if 1125 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,000 Speaker 1: you went out and shot a couple of arrows and 1126 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,280 Speaker 1: arrow flights pretty I would say it's about two hundred yards, 1127 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,040 Speaker 1: and tundred yards would be about six feet um. Two 1128 01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 1: hundred yards would be how less than a quarter of 1129 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:04,040 Speaker 1: a mile eight yards and a half mile, So a 1130 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,800 Speaker 1: quarter mile would be like four hundred fifty yards. What 1131 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: are we eight parao flights to Spencer's house? Oh, not 1132 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:18,439 Speaker 1: that far, probably like three a quarter mile south of okay, 1133 01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,080 Speaker 1: of the town. I just thought that was kind of big. Yeah, 1134 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,719 Speaker 1: I thought it was too I thought it was too well. 1135 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,680 Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for coming. Jessica. What an 1136 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,040 Speaker 1: honor to have you here. Yes, Christie, what an honor 1137 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,559 Speaker 1: to have you here, Carol Spencer, what an honor to 1138 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:43,160 Speaker 1: after the practice squad and here we are. Damon Josh 1139 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,439 Speaker 1: And he didn't even mention the part where you talked 1140 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,320 Speaker 1: about the land bridge. Yeah, you talk about the Bearing 1141 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,400 Speaker 1: land bridge. It probably shared that Josh was an interviewed 1142 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:56,800 Speaker 1: on that. Another opportunity wasted that on the podcast. Uh, 1143 01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,920 Speaker 1: one day, Josh, one day, one day? All right, thank 1144 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,920 Speaker 1: you so much, and there will be one final two 1145 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Comes to episode titled t Comes to Death. Way to 1146 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 1: bring it down? Make us cry? I don't know. He 1147 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,879 Speaker 1: might make himself cry. Is there a flaming arrow somewhere 1148 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,719 Speaker 1: in Yeah, there should be. There should be