WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Adam Schein 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.240 Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.719 your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play by 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.440 play announcer. Today, I sit down and talk with ubiquitous 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.639 Adam Shine. He hosts so many different shows on several 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.639 different platforms, Shine on Sports on Sirius XM, mad Dog 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.520 Radio and for CBS Sports Network, Time to Shine, that 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.479 other pregame show, NFL Monday, QB Plus. He hosts the 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.560 Adam Shine Podcast and as a columnist for NFL dot Com. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.080 We talked today about all things National Football League, in 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.479 particular the Arizona Cardinals. 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Gambling 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.280 problem called one eight hundred. Next step. Time now for 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:26.480 my conversation with Adam Shine. So, Adam, I'm talking to 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.240 Steve Kine the other day after the game Sunday and 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.319 he says, who do you got on the podcast this week? 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.560 And I say, Adam Shine, And man does he light up. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.520 He starts imitating you. He's all fired up that you're 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:44.480 on the show. You are nationally one of the biggest 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.200 Cardinals supporters, and you have been for a while. Let's 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.200 start with that. Tell me why, because I think the 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.160 Cardinal's top to bottom are fantastic. You know. I think 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.960 when you look at what makes a great organization, I 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.400 think it first starts within owner, right, and you have 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.920 to have a great owner. The Cardinals check that box. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.760 And you have to have a great general manager. And 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:11.760 I think the world is Steve. And you know, he's smart, thoughtful, 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:16.320 he's aggressive. I think he's fantastic at his job. I 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.560 think he's surrounded himself with a tremendous staff. I think 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.160 that when you talk about a great organization. The Cardinals 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.919 pr staff is one of the best in sports, not 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.440 just the best in the NFL, in all sports. They're 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.880 they're fantastic, Mark Dalton and company. And I just think 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:40.480 that Arizona, the Cardinals, Dave, You've been around this organization forever, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.720 great people, great commitment to winning. You know, you think 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.720 of the teams in the NFL like that, right, and 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.720 it's you know, the Baltimore Ravens, they're always a team 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.280 and rightly so at the top in terms of all right, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:57.560 they do everything right. The Arizona Cardinals do everything right. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.400 And you know every year in the conversation to make 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.679 the playoffs. You know, I love the approach. I love 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.240 how the Cardinals draft. I I'm just a huge fan 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.440 of the organization. And you know, Phoenix, Arizona, you know, 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.440 all these surrounding areas. You know, it wasn't a natural 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.519 NFL fan base, you know all you know this, there's 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.760 so many different fans different teams before the Cardinals moved 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:27.440 to Arizona, so you literally had to build a fan base. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.360 And I just think it's so impressive. The stadium's great. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.839 I mean, I love watching the team play. I love 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.400 everything about Arizona Cardinals football. Well, I get asked a lot, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.520 you know, what's it been like because when I got 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.440 hired in two thousand and two, they had just started 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.520 to make the transition in terms of changing the broadcast 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.600 department and the marketing department, and then Michael Bidwell gets 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.840 more heavily involved all of a sudden, the stadium, the 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.880 super Bowl at all kind of snowballs. And I agree 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.160 with you. I mean, you look at where the organization is. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.920 And I know I'm a little biased because it's my employer, 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:08.040 but I'm fascinated with with the growth. The one difference 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.040 between you and I during the last twenty years is 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.440 I've lost my hair. You somehow have added it. How 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.880 did you gain hair? Your hair looks better now than 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.080 it was when you were back at the QUS in 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:23.040 school while I was the play by play guy. It's amazing, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.200 you know. Here, here's the here's the thing, right. You know, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.159 first of all, I love my hair. Let's let's just 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.200 be crystal clear. I love my hair, and I think 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.359 back then, you know, I didn't really care what my 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.920 hair looked like. You know, I kind of I've got 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.480 without product. I have the jew frow. So you know, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.359 I finally learned as I started doing television, Hey you 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.440 might want to do different things to your hair and 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.000 actually schedule a hair cut every four weeks and put 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.799 the right product in. So I love that you asked 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.200 me about the hair because I've always asked about the hair, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.919 and listen, they always say right that it's supposed to 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.800 be in term of you know how you get your 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.520 hair your mother's father in terms of you know how 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:10.320 it gets passed down. My grandfather passed away with a 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.920 full head of hair about ten years ago. I mean, 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.719 absolutely gorgeous hair. So thank you too to my late 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.880 grandfather Eddie for giving me this his hair. Well you needed. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.560 For as much as you're on camera as a play 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.320 by play guy, we barely get on and when they 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.080 do there when we do, they're normally just paying attention 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.000 to the analysts. We're just kind of the go between. 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.000 So you got me McDonough Tarca. None of us really 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.720 have hair, Ian and you still are the two guys 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.719 that I know really well. That's still and Scott Hanson. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.120 He is the same hair that he had when he 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.320 was twenty. But the Cardinals Adam going into their bye week, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.039 the best record in the NFL. Obviously, you're doing tons 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.400 of NFL shows, You're talking about the NFL every day. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.200 Do you think the Cardinals are the best team in 0:05:55.240 --> 0:06:00.480 the NFL right now? What a tremendous way to phrase 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:05.920 the question. And I don't because I need to see 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:11.080 Kyler get back on the field and look the upside 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.040 for the Cardinals, Dave, in my opinion is to win 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.960 the super Bowl. Like you, if you start talking about 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.839 teams you trust down the stretch of the season. You know, forever, 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.719 I used to do a show with John Madden. How's 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.360 that as a name drop? And John would always get 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.359 on me when I would talk to him about super 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.800 Bowl teams, playoff teams before Thanksgiving, After Thanksgiving, you could 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.880 talk about teams you trust. I think the Cardinals. They're 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.320 a team on a short list of teams, by the way, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.320 and it's wild and wacky NFL season. I trust. I 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.200 love the head coach, I love the defensive coordinator. I 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.080 love the talent. I love how they take care of business. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.120 I love how they can play up to the competition. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.279 I love everything about them. I think all season long, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.359 there have been five teams in the NFC right, that 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.440 are just better than everybody else. Dallas in no order, Dallas, 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:08.160 Green Bay, Arizona. My preseason Super Bowl pick the Rams 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.800 and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, And frankly, the team that 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:16.640 I'm not buying has been Tampa. I just I haven't 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.320 seen enough out of their defense. I think Arizona, when 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.760 Kyler's healthy, is the most well rounded team in the NFC. Now, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:31.480 the Green Bay game might come back and hurt Arizona 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.480 in terms of when the wheel stops spinning and whether 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.800 you get the one seed or whether you get the buy. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.920 I'd like to see Kyler on the field because I 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.200 think he changes everything. But the upside, I don't think 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.400 they're the best team in the NFL as we speak 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.280 right now, but they're on a handful handful of teams 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.040 that I think can win the Lombardi Copies. Here, you 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.480 mentioned you love the head coach, and I'm glad that 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.880 Cliff is getting more recognition nationally. Look, he's always been 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.040 a good coach. You look at the met the players 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.120 he mentored in college, whether it's case Keenum Baker Mayfield, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.040 Patrick Mahomes, that there are others that he has worked 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.160 with that he got some credit for but not a 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.960 ton And there were some coach of the Year talk 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.880 for a while when the Cardinals were good in September 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.760 and October, and then Kyler goes down. You win two 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.120 out of three with Colt McCoy as the backup quarterback 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.400 and no DeAndre Hopkins and the offensive line banged up, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.960 and it feels like that above all else kind of 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.160 elevated Cliff. And I don't know where you have him 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.280 in the coach of your discussion, And I don't know 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.160 where you had him when he got hired, if he 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.600 thought it was a good hire or not. There are 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.800 a lot of people obviously when it happened that we're 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.480 kind of scratching their heads, but it's paying off now. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.719 I think Cliff Kingsbury is an absolute stud And in 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.360 terms of what I thought when they hired him, Look, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.559 I think it goes back to my trust in Steve 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.760 and you know, if if he thinks he's the right guy, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.440 and you know, the offensive trends that were going on 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.080 in the NFL, and you know, packaging him with Tyler, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.320 who they would eventually pick. I, you know, and Cliff 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.199 put together an excellent staff and and I was on board. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.240 I had Cliff on the radio show in serious act 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.360 him about a month ago, and I said to him, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.400 I said, I was a little disappointed in last year. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.840 You know, I thought the Cardinals that was my Cinderella pick, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.040 you know, and Arizona was moving in the right direction, 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:35.079 and last year was a disappointment I thought for Arizona 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.319 down the stretch of the season. Boy Dave, this year 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.160 has been has been fantastic. And in terms of where 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.560 I put him for coach of the Year, now top two. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.760 I mean it's Cliff Kingsbury and Bill Belichick, you know, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.880 and I think the big other name is Mike Rabel. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.080 You know. I'm certainly one of those where you know, 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.800 I and I was obviously wrong instantly Derrick Henry got hurt. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.480 I gave them no shot, and no matter what they 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.880 do the rest of the year, I won't believe in 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.520 them in the playoffs without Derrick Henry. But to me, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.000 as we sit here and speak right now, Belichick, Kingsbury, 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.480 whatever order for coach of the year, the Belichick one 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:22.840 is interesting, right because nobody thought that. Well. I guess 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.800 there were some people that thought, but most people did 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.680 not think that Mac Jones would be this good this quickly. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.079 I was a skeptic after doing some of his games 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.000 in college. He never played a snap at Alabama where 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.560 he didn't have at least one or two first round 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:42.119 picks a wide receiver. But he's been great. They're undefeated 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.680 on the road, just like the Cardinals, and yeah, I 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.280 think he's definitely in the conversation. Have you ever had 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.760 Belichick on any of your platforms and all the shows 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.880 you do, and what's he been like when you've spoken 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:56.400 with him? So I had Belichick. I just have Belichick 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.360 on radio all the time, and by all the time 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.800 once he year, which in that world is was a 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:08.760 big deal. Early on, I had Bill on I guess 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:14.600 they beat the Giants on a Saturday to go undefeated 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.760 in the regular season, And I was doing this is 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.240 before I was doing the CBS pregame show, a Sunday 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.120 morning show on at the time serious x NFL Radio, 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.040 and he came on the show the next day and 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.040 he was so giddy. He was great. All my interactions 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.600 with Ivan had him on the show probably in like 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.080 seven years. But there was a period of time where 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.880 he was on every year, and I did Patriots training 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.880 camp and that face to face was always great. I 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.360 have always joy I remember I had him on after 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.920 they drank, after they made the trade for Randy Moss. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.120 He was excellent in that conversation. I go, he's one 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.720 of those guys, Aaron Rodgers, one of those guys when 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.960 you interview them, there's always a pause where you're not 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.840 even sure if they're still on the line because they're 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.640 thinking of what they're gonna say next. And it always 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.680 has equaled a great response from Belichick. I haven't interviewed 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.640 him probably seven years, but I loved every conversation I've 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.600 had of Belicheck. You're closer to the Patriots than we 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.560 are out here because you live on the East Coast, 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.800 but you're closest to the two teams in New York. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.920 I can't remember if you're a Giants or a Jets guy. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.720 I feel like you're a Jets guy. Am I wrong? Nobody, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.840 nobody has any idea who I read for. And here's 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:43.160 the honest truth. I grew up as a psychotic, diehard 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.000 Giants fan. No one has any idea, and then that's 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:53.160 the one occupational hazard for me. I lost all the fandom, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.240 all the fandom for the Giants for a variety of reasons, 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.839 but you know, still diehard Yankees fan, diehard Knicks fan. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.800 I heard Syracuse fan. But for years, from two thousand 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.319 and six through for a long time, I did a 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.560 Jets postgame show on s n Y, so everyone always 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:17.000 associated me with the Jets, you know, and I'm going 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.840 to you know, my girls soccer games or my son's 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.920 basketball games, and I'm always wearing my Cardinals gear I have. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.800 I have a Cardinals sweatshirt, I have the coaches sweatshirt, 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.280 I have T shirt. So it's always people, are you 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.480 an Arizona Cardinals fright? I'm like, yeah, I an Arizona 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.800 Cardinals fan. You know, I have a lot of the 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.880 Bills on all the time, so you know, I'm always 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.040 talking about jumping through the tables. People think I'm a 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.320 Bills fan. It's funny, especially when I did the Jets games. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.920 My oldest is thirteen, so I would get home after, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.360 you know, around five thirty six o'clock on an NFL Sunday. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.520 And she was born in two thousand and eight, so 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.200 the Packers were always on TV at that time, so 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.360 she's a Packer fan. So I Tolay's a Packer fan. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.520 MA is a Patriot fan, and THEO roots for the 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:09.360 Buffalo Bills. So that's it's all three kids, different teams, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:14.240 and that's that's all occupational ask Speaking of the Giants, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.840 Jason Garrett is out. Um, did I read a tweet 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.920 where you said just blow it all up? Start over? 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:26.480 Was that somebody else? Okay? Yeah, including the quarterback Daniel Jones. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.000 You're doing the same thing with him. Stick get a 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:32.640 new quarterback, start over. I mean, I get rid of everyone. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.480 And look, you know, sometimes you get it right, sometimes 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.800 you get it wrong. There's a crapshoot with everything draft. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.360 When it comes to draft sat Quan Barkley at two 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.040 or running back at two never made any sense. I mean, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.480 that was a quarterback strong draft. In twenty eighteen, Quintin 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.480 Nelson would have been my choice. Not sexy, but you 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.360 know that's a Hall of Fame caliber offensive lineman. You know, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.240 the next year I would have drafted Josh Allen, the 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.280 defensive van Daniel Jones, by measuring stick was the sixth 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.080 best player in the draft. Heck, I would have followed, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.320 and I said this on there the Cardinals motto, where 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.160 all right, you picked Josh Rosen. It didn't work. We 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.080 made a mistake. Let's move on. Let's take Kyler Marty. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.840 So there's Justin Herbert sitting there with the fourth overall pick. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.560 And I was a big believer that Justin Herbert was 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.040 going to be a superstar. There are a lot of teams, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.600 you know, ranging from Washington to Detroit to the Giants, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.840 and obviously Miami, who picked two. And I begged Miami 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.840 to take Justin Herbert. You know, Gettleman should have never 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.640 been interviewed, let alone hired. You know, it starts with ownership. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.960 You know, they let Kaughlin go, kept Reese McAdoo was 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.760 a mess, that kind of hodgepodged it for a long time, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:49.000 piecing it together. Schrmer was you know that didn't work out. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.840 It's Joe Judge I think is kind of a fake, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.200 tough guy. You know, Jason Garrett. I wouldn't have hired him. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.800 But you know, Jason Garrett's not the problem with the Giant. 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.120 There are bigger issues here, right. I don't think Daniel 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.520 Jones has it. I think his upside is to be 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.760 a guy and you know, a back end starter, which 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.440 he is now. You know, twenty eight through thirty two. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.480 If you're ranking the starters. I think his downside is 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.640 to be, you know, one of those. I mean, he's 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.160 just he's not a good quarterback. He just doesn't have it. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.240 So yeah, I the problem is ownership, and they they 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.479 hire a lot of people that you know have prior 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.320 you know, maraw Giants ties. It's it's kind of a 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.000 it's a cycle of futility. And you know, if the 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.480 Giants were green in New York, it'd be on the 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.040 back of the back pages in clown cars. But you know, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.520 the Giants are treated differently in New York City. So 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.560 but not by me. I mean, I they're they're a mess. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.480 It's it's a it's a shame. So the Cardinals looking 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.600 at their schedule. You've got the Bears, who might be 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.640 under going a coach change here soon, that's the report. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.040 You've got the Lions Dallas, a Monday night game with 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.560 the Rams home game with Seattle. The Colts, who are 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.959 playing really well right now. Who do you think right 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.920 now would be the greatest challenger to the Cardinals getting 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.800 the one seed because they're a game up on the Rams. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.680 Rams play the Packers and they've already beaten the Rams 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.760 on the road. They've got the head to head with 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.320 the Cowboys in January. Be interesting to see if that 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.360 game's flexed. It may come down to whether the Cowboys 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:34.960 have too many national games. I don't know, but we 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.000 don't have a Sunday night game. The only national games 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.639 we have are Christmas Day, the first day game that 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.320 we had earlier this season against the Packers, and the 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.440 Monday night games. So no Sunday night games right now. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.720 But who do you think is the greatest hurdle for 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.760 the Cardinals to overcome to get that one seed in 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.560 the NFC. I'll give you the two to me, it's 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:57.000 it's Dallas in green Bay. You know, I think this 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.320 Green Bay Ram game is going to go a long 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.600 way for green Bay in terms of the one seed 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.040 coming up this Sunday, and by the way, I think 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:13.080 green Bay will win it. But I think Dallas is 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.320 a real well rounded team. I do. I think Dallas 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.119 is actually very similar to the Cardinals in terms of 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.440 how I feel where you can win different styles of fight. Look, 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.119 Dallas has been so inept for so long, or you 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.200 know when I say inapt, you expect the worst when 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.000 it comes to the Cowboys. You expect them to melt down, 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.080 you expect them to underachieve. I just I think dan 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.280 Quinn has changed everything for that defense. But Dallas's schedule 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.280 is pretty favorable. You know. The one thing, it's funny 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.399 you mentioned that schedule for the Cardinals Kyle was healthy. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.040 They can they can win every game, you know. That's 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.080 that's how I feel about Arizona. Look, that's probably not 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.359 going to happen. There are three strong teams on that slate. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:03.000 But you know you asked earlier about Arizona and if 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.159 I think they're the best team in football. No, not 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.199 right now, but on a shortlist of teams that can 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.479 win a championship, I don't know if i'd bet against 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.280 Arizona in any of those games. I'm want to make 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:14.760 a little bit of a hard right term, we'll get 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.880 back to football. But I said that. I told Steve 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.600 Kine that I was talking with you, and he got 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.360 all excited. My wife asked me, he as well, who 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.040 is coming on the podcast this week? And I said, 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.200 Adam Shine. And I don't know. She's not a sports fan. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.760 Most of the guests that I have, or the people 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.280 even that I work with. She doesn't know their background 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.919 or really much about their lives. When I said, Adam Shine, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:41.600 she goes prime time. Adam Shine, Yes, so, And that 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.320 goes back to again, when you're hosting a show, I 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.359 can't remember if you were still in college or just 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.000 out of college. I want to get to that. But 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.240 tell me why haven't you kept the prime time Adam Shine? 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.240 If someone like my wife still remembers that from twenty 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.440 years ago, a non sports fan for the most part, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.679 I mean big now, Adam, you could be even bigger 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.320 if you'd just kept the prime time Adam Shine. I 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.040 love that. It's funny. By the way, I'm doing this 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.040 on zoom, but the audience can't see. If i'll show 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.080 it to you, I have this article from the from 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.680 the Post Standard. I'm showing you that from nineteen ninety nine, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.320 by the way, right next to my Arizona Cardinals football 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.000 that was signed by Josh Rosen from my son Dear 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:25.040 THEO Go Cardinals from from Josh Rosen, and it tells 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.399 the story of prime time so I had. It was 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.960 my first week on the air at WHN, and I 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.800 graduated in May of ninety nine. I started at the 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.760 all sports radio station in in June of ninety nine, 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:44.840 and doctor Rick Wright, one of our professors, your professor, 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:49.000 my professor, legendary professor, called the radio show as a 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.720 call um and just kept calling me Primetime. When I 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.560 was in class, he kept calling me Primetime, Primetime, Adam 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.359 Shop I love Rick Ryan, he loved me. And my 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:04.400 program director's day four on the job, Troy Skinner ran 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.280 into the studio on the next break, and that's it, 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.040 your prime Time, Adam seun So to this day, you know, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.800 whether it's Mike Waters from the Syracuse Post Standard or 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.199 anyone who lived in Syracuse, I am still referred to 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.040 as prime Time. But once I left Syracuse to just 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.320 it didn't It didn't stick. I didn't go with it. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.920 Maybe maybe I should know there was a marketing opportunity somewhere. Well, 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.360 most people listening don't know and maybe don't even care. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.520 But just to give people listening some backgrounds, so the 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:42.119 student station at Syracuse waar. Most of us that worked 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:46.640 there go into play by play, going back to Marty Glickman, 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:53.639 Marv Albert, Bob Costas, Sean McDonough, Mike Tarigo, Iron Eagle. 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.800 The list goes on and on. You were a pioneer 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:01.040 because and you hit at the right time where you 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:05.000 went the talk show route. And it's about the time 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.240 that not only were talk shows getting big on the 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.480 radio like WFAN and New York and then all of 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.920 a sudden they were exploding all over the country, but 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:18.160 ESPN Fox they started creating shows that were more talk 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.200 show oriented. And that's about the time you were on 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.720 the rise. And I'm just curious, like, was that kind 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.600 of how you envisioned it going into the realm of 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:34.640 talking about sports and interviewing guests, but mostly opinion based programming. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:40.040 I was obsessed. I've had this conversation with people before. 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:45.120 You know, I'm forty four and WFAN started in nineteen 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:50.159 eighty seven, so I was ten, So I was the first. 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.119 I was the child of sports talk radio. You know, 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.760 a lot so many people grew up and you listen 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.680 to games on the radio or you watch them on TV, 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.640 and you know, you want to be and I'll talk 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.359 to you know, from a New York perspective, you want 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.399