Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play by
Speaker 1: play announcer. Today, I sit down and talk with ubiquitous
Speaker 1: Adam Shine. He hosts so many different shows on several
Speaker 1: different platforms, Shine on Sports on Sirius XM, mad Dog
Speaker 1: Radio and for CBS Sports Network, Time to Shine, that
Speaker 1: other pregame show, NFL Monday, QB Plus. He hosts the
Speaker 1: Adam Shine Podcast and as a columnist for NFL dot Com.
Speaker 1: We talked today about all things National Football League, in
Speaker 1: particular the Arizona Cardinals. Does he think Kyler Murray is
Speaker 1: a legit MVP candidate, What about Cliff Kingsbury as a
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year possibility, and whether the Cardinals at
Speaker 1: nine and two are truly the best team in the
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Speaker 1: my conversation with Adam Shine. So, Adam, I'm talking to
Speaker 1: Steve Kine the other day after the game Sunday and
Speaker 1: he says, who do you got on the podcast this week?
Speaker 1: And I say, Adam Shine, And man does he light up.
Speaker 1: He starts imitating you. He's all fired up that you're
Speaker 1: on the show. You are nationally one of the biggest
Speaker 1: Cardinals supporters, and you have been for a while. Let's
Speaker 1: start with that. Tell me why, because I think the
Speaker 1: Cardinal's top to bottom are fantastic. You know. I think
Speaker 1: when you look at what makes a great organization, I
Speaker 1: think it first starts within owner, right, and you have
Speaker 1: to have a great owner. The Cardinals check that box.
Speaker 1: And you have to have a great general manager. And
Speaker 1: I think the world is Steve. And you know, he's smart, thoughtful,
Speaker 1: he's aggressive. I think he's fantastic at his job. I
Speaker 1: think he's surrounded himself with a tremendous staff. I think
Speaker 1: that when you talk about a great organization. The Cardinals
Speaker 1: pr staff is one of the best in sports, not
Speaker 1: just the best in the NFL, in all sports. They're
Speaker 1: they're fantastic, Mark Dalton and company. And I just think
Speaker 1: that Arizona, the Cardinals, Dave, You've been around this organization forever,
Speaker 1: great people, great commitment to winning. You know, you think
Speaker 1: of the teams in the NFL like that, right, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, the Baltimore Ravens, they're always a team
Speaker 1: and rightly so at the top in terms of all right,
Speaker 1: they do everything right. The Arizona Cardinals do everything right.
Speaker 1: And you know every year in the conversation to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You know, I love the approach. I love
Speaker 1: how the Cardinals draft. I I'm just a huge fan
Speaker 1: of the organization. And you know, Phoenix, Arizona, you know,
Speaker 1: all these surrounding areas. You know, it wasn't a natural
Speaker 1: NFL fan base, you know all you know this, there's
Speaker 1: so many different fans different teams before the Cardinals moved
Speaker 1: to Arizona, so you literally had to build a fan base.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's so impressive. The stadium's great.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love watching the team play. I love
Speaker 1: everything about Arizona Cardinals football. Well, I get asked a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, what's it been like because when I got
Speaker 1: hired in two thousand and two, they had just started
Speaker 1: to make the transition in terms of changing the broadcast
Speaker 1: department and the marketing department, and then Michael Bidwell gets
Speaker 1: more heavily involved all of a sudden, the stadium, the
Speaker 1: super Bowl at all kind of snowballs. And I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, you look at where the organization is.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm a little biased because it's my employer,
Speaker 1: but I'm fascinated with with the growth. The one difference
Speaker 1: between you and I during the last twenty years is
Speaker 1: I've lost my hair. You somehow have added it. How
Speaker 1: did you gain hair? Your hair looks better now than
Speaker 1: it was when you were back at the QUS in
Speaker 1: school while I was the play by play guy. It's amazing,
Speaker 1: you know. Here, here's the here's the thing, right. You know,
Speaker 1: first of all, I love my hair. Let's let's just
Speaker 1: be crystal clear. I love my hair, and I think
Speaker 1: back then, you know, I didn't really care what my
Speaker 1: hair looked like. You know, I kind of I've got
Speaker 1: without product. I have the jew frow. So you know,
Speaker 1: I finally learned as I started doing television, Hey you
Speaker 1: might want to do different things to your hair and
Speaker 1: actually schedule a hair cut every four weeks and put
Speaker 1: the right product in. So I love that you asked
Speaker 1: me about the hair because I've always asked about the hair,
Speaker 1: and listen, they always say right that it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be in term of you know how you get your
Speaker 1: hair your mother's father in terms of you know how
Speaker 1: it gets passed down. My grandfather passed away with a
Speaker 1: full head of hair about ten years ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous hair. So thank you too to my late
Speaker 1: grandfather Eddie for giving me this his hair. Well you needed.
Speaker 1: For as much as you're on camera as a play
Speaker 1: by play guy, we barely get on and when they
Speaker 1: do there when we do, they're normally just paying attention
Speaker 1: to the analysts. We're just kind of the go between.
Speaker 1: So you got me McDonough Tarca. None of us really
Speaker 1: have hair, Ian and you still are the two guys
Speaker 1: that I know really well. That's still and Scott Hanson.
Speaker 1: He is the same hair that he had when he
Speaker 1: was twenty. But the Cardinals Adam going into their bye week,
Speaker 1: the best record in the NFL. Obviously, you're doing tons
Speaker 1: of NFL shows, You're talking about the NFL every day.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cardinals are the best team in
Speaker 1: the NFL right now? What a tremendous way to phrase
Speaker 1: the question. And I don't because I need to see
Speaker 1: Kyler get back on the field and look the upside
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, Dave, in my opinion is to win
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. Like you, if you start talking about
Speaker 1: teams you trust down the stretch of the season. You know, forever,
Speaker 1: I used to do a show with John Madden. How's
Speaker 1: that as a name drop? And John would always get
Speaker 1: on me when I would talk to him about super
Speaker 1: Bowl teams, playoff teams before Thanksgiving, After Thanksgiving, you could
Speaker 1: talk about teams you trust. I think the Cardinals. They're
Speaker 1: a team on a short list of teams, by the way,
Speaker 1: and it's wild and wacky NFL season. I trust. I
Speaker 1: love the head coach, I love the defensive coordinator. I
Speaker 1: love the talent. I love how they take care of business.
Speaker 1: I love how they can play up to the competition.
Speaker 1: I love everything about them. I think all season long,
Speaker 1: there have been five teams in the NFC right, that
Speaker 1: are just better than everybody else. Dallas in no order, Dallas,
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Arizona. My preseason Super Bowl pick the Rams
Speaker 1: and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, And frankly, the team that
Speaker 1: I'm not buying has been Tampa. I just I haven't
Speaker 1: seen enough out of their defense. I think Arizona, when
Speaker 1: Kyler's healthy, is the most well rounded team in the NFC. Now,
Speaker 1: the Green Bay game might come back and hurt Arizona
Speaker 1: in terms of when the wheel stops spinning and whether
Speaker 1: you get the one seed or whether you get the buy.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see Kyler on the field because I
Speaker 1: think he changes everything. But the upside, I don't think
Speaker 1: they're the best team in the NFL as we speak
Speaker 1: right now, but they're on a handful handful of teams
Speaker 1: that I think can win the Lombardi Copies. Here, you
Speaker 1: mentioned you love the head coach, and I'm glad that
Speaker 1: Cliff is getting more recognition nationally. Look, he's always been
Speaker 1: a good coach. You look at the met the players
Speaker 1: he mentored in college, whether it's case Keenum Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, that there are others that he has worked
Speaker 1: with that he got some credit for but not a
Speaker 1: ton And there were some coach of the Year talk
Speaker 1: for a while when the Cardinals were good in September
Speaker 1: and October, and then Kyler goes down. You win two
Speaker 1: out of three with Colt McCoy as the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: and no DeAndre Hopkins and the offensive line banged up,
Speaker 1: and it feels like that above all else kind of
Speaker 1: elevated Cliff. And I don't know where you have him
Speaker 1: in the coach of your discussion, And I don't know
Speaker 1: where you had him when he got hired, if he
Speaker 1: thought it was a good hire or not. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of people obviously when it happened that we're
Speaker 1: kind of scratching their heads, but it's paying off now.
Speaker 1: I think Cliff Kingsbury is an absolute stud And in
Speaker 1: terms of what I thought when they hired him, Look,
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to my trust in Steve
Speaker 1: and you know, if if he thinks he's the right guy,
Speaker 1: and you know, the offensive trends that were going on
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you know, packaging him with Tyler,
Speaker 1: who they would eventually pick. I, you know, and Cliff
Speaker 1: put together an excellent staff and and I was on board.
Speaker 1: I had Cliff on the radio show in serious act
Speaker 1: him about a month ago, and I said to him,
Speaker 1: I said, I was a little disappointed in last year.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought the Cardinals that was my Cinderella pick,
Speaker 1: you know, and Arizona was moving in the right direction,
Speaker 1: and last year was a disappointment I thought for Arizona
Speaker 1: down the stretch of the season. Boy Dave, this year
Speaker 1: has been has been fantastic. And in terms of where
Speaker 1: I put him for coach of the Year, now top two.
Speaker 1: I mean it's Cliff Kingsbury and Bill Belichick, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think the big other name is Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm certainly one of those where you know,
Speaker 1: I and I was obviously wrong instantly Derrick Henry got hurt.
Speaker 1: I gave them no shot, and no matter what they
Speaker 1: do the rest of the year, I won't believe in
Speaker 1: them in the playoffs without Derrick Henry. But to me,
Speaker 1: as we sit here and speak right now, Belichick, Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: whatever order for coach of the year, the Belichick one
Speaker 1: is interesting, right because nobody thought that. Well. I guess
Speaker 1: there were some people that thought, but most people did
Speaker 1: not think that Mac Jones would be this good this quickly.
Speaker 1: I was a skeptic after doing some of his games
Speaker 1: in college. He never played a snap at Alabama where
Speaker 1: he didn't have at least one or two first round
Speaker 1: picks a wide receiver. But he's been great. They're undefeated
Speaker 1: on the road, just like the Cardinals, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's definitely in the conversation. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: Belichick on any of your platforms and all the shows
Speaker 1: you do, and what's he been like when you've spoken
Speaker 1: with him? So I had Belichick. I just have Belichick
Speaker 1: on radio all the time, and by all the time
Speaker 1: once he year, which in that world is was a
Speaker 1: big deal. Early on, I had Bill on I guess
Speaker 1: they beat the Giants on a Saturday to go undefeated
Speaker 1: in the regular season, And I was doing this is
Speaker 1: before I was doing the CBS pregame show, a Sunday
Speaker 1: morning show on at the time serious x NFL Radio,
Speaker 1: and he came on the show the next day and
Speaker 1: he was so giddy. He was great. All my interactions
Speaker 1: with Ivan had him on the show probably in like
Speaker 1: seven years. But there was a period of time where
Speaker 1: he was on every year, and I did Patriots training
Speaker 1: camp and that face to face was always great. I
Speaker 1: have always joy I remember I had him on after
Speaker 1: they drank, after they made the trade for Randy Moss.
Speaker 1: He was excellent in that conversation. I go, he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys, Aaron Rodgers, one of those guys when
Speaker 1: you interview them, there's always a pause where you're not
Speaker 1: even sure if they're still on the line because they're
Speaker 1: thinking of what they're gonna say next. And it always
Speaker 1: has equaled a great response from Belichick. I haven't interviewed
Speaker 1: him probably seven years, but I loved every conversation I've
Speaker 1: had of Belicheck. You're closer to the Patriots than we
Speaker 1: are out here because you live on the East Coast,
Speaker 1: but you're closest to the two teams in New York.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if you're a Giants or a Jets guy.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're a Jets guy. Am I wrong? Nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody has any idea who I read for. And here's
Speaker 1: the honest truth. I grew up as a psychotic, diehard
Speaker 1: Giants fan. No one has any idea, and then that's
Speaker 1: the one occupational hazard for me. I lost all the fandom,
Speaker 1: all the fandom for the Giants for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: but you know, still diehard Yankees fan, diehard Knicks fan.
Speaker 1: I heard Syracuse fan. But for years, from two thousand
Speaker 1: and six through for a long time, I did a
Speaker 1: Jets postgame show on s n Y, so everyone always
Speaker 1: associated me with the Jets, you know, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to you know, my girls soccer games or my son's
Speaker 1: basketball games, and I'm always wearing my Cardinals gear I have.
Speaker 1: I have a Cardinals sweatshirt, I have the coaches sweatshirt,
Speaker 1: I have T shirt. So it's always people, are you
Speaker 1: an Arizona Cardinals fright? I'm like, yeah, I an Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals fan. You know, I have a lot of the
Speaker 1: Bills on all the time, so you know, I'm always
Speaker 1: talking about jumping through the tables. People think I'm a
Speaker 1: Bills fan. It's funny, especially when I did the Jets games.
Speaker 1: My oldest is thirteen, so I would get home after,
Speaker 1: you know, around five thirty six o'clock on an NFL Sunday.
Speaker 1: And she was born in two thousand and eight, so
Speaker 1: the Packers were always on TV at that time, so
Speaker 1: she's a Packer fan. So I Tolay's a Packer fan.
Speaker 1: MA is a Patriot fan, and THEO roots for the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. So that's it's all three kids, different teams,
Speaker 1: and that's that's all occupational ask Speaking of the Giants,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett is out. Um, did I read a tweet
Speaker 1: where you said just blow it all up? Start over?
Speaker 1: Was that somebody else? Okay? Yeah, including the quarterback Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: You're doing the same thing with him. Stick get a
Speaker 1: new quarterback, start over. I mean, I get rid of everyone.
Speaker 1: And look, you know, sometimes you get it right, sometimes
Speaker 1: you get it wrong. There's a crapshoot with everything draft.
Speaker 1: When it comes to draft sat Quan Barkley at two
Speaker 1: or running back at two never made any sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was a quarterback strong draft. In twenty eighteen, Quintin
Speaker 1: Nelson would have been my choice. Not sexy, but you
Speaker 1: know that's a Hall of Fame caliber offensive lineman. You know,
Speaker 1: the next year I would have drafted Josh Allen, the
Speaker 1: defensive van Daniel Jones, by measuring stick was the sixth
Speaker 1: best player in the draft. Heck, I would have followed,
Speaker 1: and I said this on there the Cardinals motto, where
Speaker 1: all right, you picked Josh Rosen. It didn't work. We
Speaker 1: made a mistake. Let's move on. Let's take Kyler Marty.
Speaker 1: So there's Justin Herbert sitting there with the fourth overall pick.
Speaker 1: And I was a big believer that Justin Herbert was
Speaker 1: going to be a superstar. There are a lot of teams,
Speaker 1: you know, ranging from Washington to Detroit to the Giants,
Speaker 1: and obviously Miami, who picked two. And I begged Miami
Speaker 1: to take Justin Herbert. You know, Gettleman should have never
Speaker 1: been interviewed, let alone hired. You know, it starts with ownership.
Speaker 1: You know, they let Kaughlin go, kept Reese McAdoo was
Speaker 1: a mess, that kind of hodgepodged it for a long time,
Speaker 1: piecing it together. Schrmer was you know that didn't work out.
Speaker 1: It's Joe Judge I think is kind of a fake,
Speaker 1: tough guy. You know, Jason Garrett. I wouldn't have hired him.
Speaker 1: But you know, Jason Garrett's not the problem with the Giant.
Speaker 1: There are bigger issues here, right. I don't think Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones has it. I think his upside is to be
Speaker 1: a guy and you know, a back end starter, which
Speaker 1: he is now. You know, twenty eight through thirty two.
Speaker 1: If you're ranking the starters. I think his downside is
Speaker 1: to be, you know, one of those. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: just he's not a good quarterback. He just doesn't have it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I the problem is ownership, and they they
Speaker 1: hire a lot of people that you know have prior
Speaker 1: you know, maraw Giants ties. It's it's kind of a
Speaker 1: it's a cycle of futility. And you know, if the
Speaker 1: Giants were green in New York, it'd be on the
Speaker 1: back of the back pages in clown cars. But you know,
Speaker 1: the Giants are treated differently in New York City. So
Speaker 1: but not by me. I mean, I they're they're a mess.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a shame. So the Cardinals looking
Speaker 1: at their schedule. You've got the Bears, who might be
Speaker 1: under going a coach change here soon, that's the report.
Speaker 1: You've got the Lions Dallas, a Monday night game with
Speaker 1: the Rams home game with Seattle. The Colts, who are
Speaker 1: playing really well right now. Who do you think right
Speaker 1: now would be the greatest challenger to the Cardinals getting
Speaker 1: the one seed because they're a game up on the Rams.
Speaker 1: Rams play the Packers and they've already beaten the Rams
Speaker 1: on the road. They've got the head to head with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in January. Be interesting to see if that
Speaker 1: game's flexed. It may come down to whether the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have too many national games. I don't know, but we
Speaker 1: don't have a Sunday night game. The only national games
Speaker 1: we have are Christmas Day, the first day game that
Speaker 1: we had earlier this season against the Packers, and the
Speaker 1: Monday night games. So no Sunday night games right now.
Speaker 1: But who do you think is the greatest hurdle for
Speaker 1: the Cardinals to overcome to get that one seed in
Speaker 1: the NFC. I'll give you the two to me, it's
Speaker 1: it's Dallas in green Bay. You know, I think this
Speaker 1: Green Bay Ram game is going to go a long
Speaker 1: way for green Bay in terms of the one seed
Speaker 1: coming up this Sunday, and by the way, I think
Speaker 1: green Bay will win it. But I think Dallas is
Speaker 1: a real well rounded team. I do. I think Dallas
Speaker 1: is actually very similar to the Cardinals in terms of
Speaker 1: how I feel where you can win different styles of fight. Look,
Speaker 1: Dallas has been so inept for so long, or you
Speaker 1: know when I say inapt, you expect the worst when
Speaker 1: it comes to the Cowboys. You expect them to melt down,
Speaker 1: you expect them to underachieve. I just I think dan
Speaker 1: Quinn has changed everything for that defense. But Dallas's schedule
Speaker 1: is pretty favorable. You know. The one thing, it's funny
Speaker 1: you mentioned that schedule for the Cardinals Kyle was healthy.
Speaker 1: They can they can win every game, you know. That's
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about Arizona. Look, that's probably not
Speaker 1: going to happen. There are three strong teams on that slate.
Speaker 1: But you know you asked earlier about Arizona and if
Speaker 1: I think they're the best team in football. No, not
Speaker 1: right now, but on a shortlist of teams that can
Speaker 1: win a championship, I don't know if i'd bet against
Speaker 1: Arizona in any of those games. I'm want to make
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hard right term, we'll get
Speaker 1: back to football. But I said that. I told Steve
Speaker 1: Kine that I was talking with you, and he got
Speaker 1: all excited. My wife asked me, he as well, who
Speaker 1: is coming on the podcast this week? And I said,
Speaker 1: Adam Shine. And I don't know. She's not a sports fan.
Speaker 1: Most of the guests that I have, or the people
Speaker 1: even that I work with. She doesn't know their background
Speaker 1: or really much about their lives. When I said, Adam Shine,
Speaker 1: she goes prime time. Adam Shine, Yes, so, And that
Speaker 1: goes back to again, when you're hosting a show, I
Speaker 1: can't remember if you were still in college or just
Speaker 1: out of college. I want to get to that. But
Speaker 1: tell me why haven't you kept the prime time Adam Shine?
Speaker 1: If someone like my wife still remembers that from twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, a non sports fan for the most part,
Speaker 1: I mean big now, Adam, you could be even bigger
Speaker 1: if you'd just kept the prime time Adam Shine. I
Speaker 1: love that. It's funny. By the way, I'm doing this
Speaker 1: on zoom, but the audience can't see. If i'll show
Speaker 1: it to you, I have this article from the from
Speaker 1: the Post Standard. I'm showing you that from nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: by the way, right next to my Arizona Cardinals football
Speaker 1: that was signed by Josh Rosen from my son Dear
Speaker 1: THEO Go Cardinals from from Josh Rosen, and it tells
Speaker 1: the story of prime time so I had. It was
Speaker 1: my first week on the air at WHN, and I
Speaker 1: graduated in May of ninety nine. I started at the
Speaker 1: all sports radio station in in June of ninety nine,
Speaker 1: and doctor Rick Wright, one of our professors, your professor,
Speaker 1: my professor, legendary professor, called the radio show as a
Speaker 1: call um and just kept calling me Primetime. When I
Speaker 1: was in class, he kept calling me Primetime, Primetime, Adam
Speaker 1: Shop I love Rick Ryan, he loved me. And my
Speaker 1: program director's day four on the job, Troy Skinner ran
Speaker 1: into the studio on the next break, and that's it,
Speaker 1: your prime Time, Adam seun So to this day, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's Mike Waters from the Syracuse Post Standard or
Speaker 1: anyone who lived in Syracuse, I am still referred to
Speaker 1: as prime Time. But once I left Syracuse to just
Speaker 1: it didn't It didn't stick. I didn't go with it.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I should know there was a marketing opportunity somewhere. Well,
Speaker 1: most people listening don't know and maybe don't even care.
Speaker 1: But just to give people listening some backgrounds, so the
Speaker 1: student station at Syracuse waar. Most of us that worked
Speaker 1: there go into play by play, going back to Marty Glickman,
Speaker 1: Marv Albert, Bob Costas, Sean McDonough, Mike Tarigo, Iron Eagle.
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on. You were a pioneer
Speaker 1: because and you hit at the right time where you
Speaker 1: went the talk show route. And it's about the time
Speaker 1: that not only were talk shows getting big on the
Speaker 1: radio like WFAN and New York and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they were exploding all over the country, but
Speaker 1: ESPN Fox they started creating shows that were more talk
Speaker 1: show oriented. And that's about the time you were on
Speaker 1: the rise. And I'm just curious, like, was that kind
Speaker 1: of how you envisioned it going into the realm of
Speaker 1: talking about sports and interviewing guests, but mostly opinion based programming.
Speaker 1: I was obsessed. I've had this conversation with people before.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm forty four and WFAN started in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven, so I was ten, So I was the first.
Speaker 1: I was the child of sports talk radio. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot so many people grew up and you listen
Speaker 1: to games on the radio or you watch them on TV,
Speaker 1: and you know, you want to be and I'll talk
Speaker 1: to you know, from a New York perspective, you want
Speaker 1: to be the next Marve album, right, Like that's so
Speaker 1: many people grew up and that that was I want
Speaker 1: to be Marve album. I want to be Michael Lamando.
Speaker 1: I wanted to host on on WFAAN. That's that's all
Speaker 1: I wanted to do growing up. But the timing was interesting.
Speaker 1: And look, Dave, I mean, you know, the history rattled
Speaker 1: it off brilliantly. I mean, when I told people I
Speaker 1: don't want to do play by play, they thought I
Speaker 1: was crazy. They're like, that's that's career suicide. Why why
Speaker 1: would you do that. You're at Syracuse. Look at the history.
Speaker 1: I said, trust me, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1: This is where my skill set is, and this is
Speaker 1: where it's going. And you know, it's funny. I Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio wasn't even a thing when I got to Syracuse,
Speaker 1: Like it launched right around when I graduated. I think
Speaker 1: the year I graduated, Fox Sports Radio launched. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that it exploded. You know, it's no
Speaker 1: different than an NFL defense. It's a copycat league, and
Speaker 1: you know, people want to hear instant reaction and NonStop
Speaker 1: conversation and you know, local level, national level, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think people groove on that and they love reaction
Speaker 1: and you know, buzz and great interviews, and I I've
Speaker 1: always just been obsessed with sports radio and you know,
Speaker 1: I love taking calls and I love listening, and it's
Speaker 1: you're right though. The timing was perfect. And you know,
Speaker 1: also for me starting in Syracuse and doing a show
Speaker 1: in Syracuse and learning how to do a show, you know,
Speaker 1: at wh I get a postgame show for Syracuse football
Speaker 1: and basketball, and there was a great immediacy and learning
Speaker 1: how to do that. So that that was really huge
Speaker 1: for me in terms of my development and my path
Speaker 1: and you know, going from from Syracuse in college and
Speaker 1: wr to you know, professor those stations and then going
Speaker 1: with the rest of my career. A couple more football questions,
Speaker 1: Adam and then we'll get you out of here. Seattle
Speaker 1: Cardinals just beat them. It felt to me going into
Speaker 1: the game like that was more than just a big
Speaker 1: game for this season. It felt like, well, Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: retire if things don't go well this year. Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: wanted out when they were winning eleven twelve games a year.
Speaker 1: What's going to happen when they win five or six?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about where the Seahawks are Do
Speaker 1: you think the Seahawks are done? In terms of the
Speaker 1: Seahawks that we've known the last decade or so. Absolutely done.
Speaker 1: And I agree with your assessment. And you know, Dave,
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy to me that the Seahawks won
Speaker 1: the division last year like that. That doesn't even translate
Speaker 1: to me in terms of talent. And I actually thought,
Speaker 1: and it's easy for me to say with a microphone,
Speaker 1: but I was right. I would have broken it down
Speaker 1: if I was running the Seahawks this passed off season,
Speaker 1: because I felt like last year, even making the playoffs
Speaker 1: within the division a fluke. And you look at the
Speaker 1: rosters of the Cardinals, the forty nine ers and the Rams,
Speaker 1: Seattle doesn't compare. And you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: call what the Seahawks did a dynasty, but it was
Speaker 1: kind of a mini dynasty, you know, Seattle with Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll and John Schneider and Russell Wilson, that was a
Speaker 1: machine and they deserve a ton of credit for what
Speaker 1: they did. Now I think it's over. I think it's
Speaker 1: been over. I think you know, the snapshot, Frankly, was
Speaker 1: the week before when DK metcalf is going ballistic in
Speaker 1: Green Bay, and you know, the team gets shut out.
Speaker 1: But I think I jumped in a week. I mean,
Speaker 1: the snapshot was Cope McCoy going into Seattle and beating
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in front of the Twelfth Man, Like I
Speaker 1: that was noteworthy, and then Pete walking out of his
Speaker 1: press conference, it felt like a bit of a changing
Speaker 1: of the guard. And I mean I said preseason the
Speaker 1: Seahawks in last place that you can imagine the reaction
Speaker 1: I got from from Seahawks fans. But you know that
Speaker 1: that proved to be ahead of the curve. I think
Speaker 1: that Pizza Hall of Fame coach college pros, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's fantastic. I love John Schneider. I think they've
Speaker 1: really boxed the draft the last few years. I think
Speaker 1: they should have traded Russ this past offseason, even with
Speaker 1: the cap hit, because I mean it was over. I
Speaker 1: mean the whole let Russ cook and Russ doesn't get
Speaker 1: an MVP boat and that you know, Russ trades all that.
Speaker 1: And I love Russ, right, but you know a lot
Speaker 1: of it is about him and Pete wants to run
Speaker 1: the ball and there's been a divide there for a
Speaker 1: long time. So I think it's over in Seattle. And
Speaker 1: this is definitely putting you on the spot because it's
Speaker 1: hard to answer this. I can't answer this right now,
Speaker 1: but if you had to guess, where do you think
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, Kyler Murray finishes in
Speaker 1: the MVP race because we still have obviously six games left.
Speaker 1: All right, let me first give you a pet peeve. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I I'm sure at some point I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: thrown off of voting because I'm very I annoy the
Speaker 1: hell out of Barry Wildon. It drives me nuts, and
Speaker 1: Kyler is a great, great name to attach to this.
Speaker 1: You know, we only vote for one person, and it's
Speaker 1: so dumb. It's the it's it's asina. Wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, because I do the NBA voting, so you're
Speaker 1: one of the NFL voters. So we have to pick
Speaker 1: five guys for MVP, five different guys, and you pick one.
Speaker 1: There's no runner up, there's no third. Okay. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad and I love that you asked us. I love
Speaker 1: and I love that you're in the NFL and don't
Speaker 1: even know this because nobody knows this because no one
Speaker 1: wants to advertise it. I go nuts on this because
Speaker 1: of the whole Russell Wilson MVP stuff. Russell Wilson has
Speaker 1: never received a vote because he's never been the MVP.
Speaker 1: If you could vote for three guys a year, of
Speaker 1: course Russell Wilson would have an MVP vote one one name.
Speaker 1: And it's awful because, as an example, if Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: comes back after the buy and he is on fire
Speaker 1: and leads the Cardinals to let's say the one seed,
Speaker 1: right like, that's the ultimate Kyler Murray MVP scenario. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have to see what Jonathan Taylor does. You know?
Speaker 1: There's a hot name. Let's see what Tom Brady does.
Speaker 1: You know? I think Kyler if I'm if I'm doing
Speaker 1: a list for MVP and I'm you know who Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: is he going to end up being in the mix.
Speaker 1: That's why it's impossible for me to answer the question
Speaker 1: because of the voting process. It's awful. I wish and
Speaker 1: I Barry's response Barry Wilder, who is the head of
Speaker 1: the Associated Press under his watch, he does not want
Speaker 1: someone with more second place votes to win the award.
Speaker 1: I understand that part of it, you know, and I
Speaker 1: do too. Like Coach of the Year for NBA last year,
Speaker 1: Monnie Williams is who I voted for ye, Tom Thibodeau
Speaker 1: wont it, and you could have made a case for Tibbs, Sure,
Speaker 1: but I think Tibbs had so many more of like
Speaker 1: the second and third place. I think that was one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I want it. So sorry to
Speaker 1: cut you off there, but I could see why he
Speaker 1: would want it that way because I don't want someone
Speaker 1: I've even encountered Dave with this idea. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty passionate about this. Make it like a ten four
Speaker 1: one weighted system, so not even ten five one, where
Speaker 1: if you get a second place vote, you get four points.
Speaker 1: First place vote you get ten, third place you get one.
Speaker 1: So there's still more weight and more emphasis on getting
Speaker 1: that first place vote. So you know right now, I
Speaker 1: mean if you can't, you can't name it, you don't
Speaker 1: get half a trophy, right So it's it's if it
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm going in circles or frustrated and even
Speaker 1: answering your question, it's because you know, midway point of
Speaker 1: the season, I would have said it's Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Those are my top two, not my projection, but the
Speaker 1: mid season MVP. I thank Kyler has it. There's no
Speaker 1: clear cut favorite at the quarterback position for MVP. I
Speaker 1: think if Jonathan Taylor runs the Colts into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think he has a realistic chance. But if Kyler
Speaker 1: lights the league on fire and the Cardinals get the
Speaker 1: one seed, my goodness, it's gonna be difficult. And one thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to hear AUNTI Kyler, Well,
Speaker 1: hold on, Colt McCoy won those games, because that's gonna
Speaker 1: be when you start nickpicking for one vote, Well, how
Speaker 1: could you vote Kyler because Colte McCoy What? Well, I
Speaker 1: would argue that a credit cult and be credit Cliff Kingsman,
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you they're gonna be voters. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be people like I say, you can't vote for Kyler
Speaker 1: because Colte McCoy won those games, That to me is
Speaker 1: garbage and nonsense. All right, Last one, do you have
Speaker 1: a most memorable on air moment or a string? It
Speaker 1: can be because people ask me, hey, what's your you know,
Speaker 1: the moment that sticks with you, and you know, people
Speaker 1: assume that maybe it's something with Bill Walton or Ron
Speaker 1: Wolfley or you know. I've worked with Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: coaches players, but the one that always sticks with me
Speaker 1: is when I got punched in the face on air
Speaker 1: when I was working in Detroit as an update guy.
Speaker 1: Though I got into it with the host. It was
Speaker 1: a sports argument and while I'm doing the update, he
Speaker 1: punched me dead in the face. Now, I got up
Speaker 1: at him and finished the update. So that's something right there.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't stop. I got up and finished
Speaker 1: the update. What was the argument was this? What was
Speaker 1: the eye? I don't even remember. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: just a typical, you know, discussion on the air, but
Speaker 1: he didn't like it, and he took it off the air,
Speaker 1: I guess, and decided to try to settle it while
Speaker 1: I was in the air by punching me dead in
Speaker 1: the face. But do you have I'm not I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: you know, try to come up with something like that.
Speaker 1: That's that's crazy. But is there anything that sticks with
Speaker 1: you when people ask you like greatest interview or greatest
Speaker 1: moment that you've had or strangest. Well, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a couple just quickly on on greatest, just in terms
Speaker 1: of like in moment feelum. My first super Bowl for CBS,
Speaker 1: we did a Monday QB show. It was in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and New Orleans super Bowl and you know, we're
Speaker 1: right across from Cafe Dumont doing a show, a Monday
Speaker 1: QB show, and I'm sitting there where Da Marino and
Speaker 1: Phil Simms and Rich Gannon and Steve Burline. And it
Speaker 1: was my first time I did a show for CBS
Speaker 1: on remote, and like the crowd was going nuts, and
Speaker 1: it was one of those like wow, like it was
Speaker 1: just ridiculously cool, like in moment. In terms of radio,
Speaker 1: and you know, there are so many amazing interviews and
Speaker 1: moments and Super Bowl shows radio row. There's nothing like
Speaker 1: the day after a champion is crown. There's nothing like
Speaker 1: interacting with a fan base, especially when it's a team
Speaker 1: that hasn't won. Like I'll never forget the day after
Speaker 1: the Cubs won the World Series or when the Cavaliers
Speaker 1: won a championship. Like those are's like the most like
Speaker 1: grown men and women crying on the air, you know,
Speaker 1: wall to wall conversation, just getting the chills and you know,
Speaker 1: talking about loved one who aren't around anymore, who would
Speaker 1: have loved like you know, those are some of the
Speaker 1: most special special shows. Of course, now that I'm saying this,
Speaker 1: there was one moment when the Red Sox won a
Speaker 1: World Series. And I'm a diehardy Yankee fan, and you know,
Speaker 1: every time the Yankees win a game, even the regular season,
Speaker 1: we always play, you know, the New York New York
Speaker 1: have a little fun with it coming out of a
Speaker 1: break and a Red Sox fan is a regular caller
Speaker 1: and a real pain in the ass who I love.
Speaker 1: And he made me sing Sweet Caroline and it was
Speaker 1: it was great radio, and I was like, never again.
Speaker 1: But that those those shows after a championship are there's
Speaker 1: just a there's a there's a cadence to it, there's
Speaker 1: a beat, there's a fun quotient, there's the emotion. It's
Speaker 1: why you love sports. I love those shows. Do you
Speaker 1: pinch yourself sometimes? Because I certainly do, Like I never
Speaker 1: take for granted when I'm sitting next to a player
Speaker 1: or a coach that is in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: or will be in the Hall of Fame. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to just kind of I think
Speaker 1: if you're some on the outside looking, just assume that
Speaker 1: you know, we're not geeking out too, you know, sitting there.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about sitting next to Dan Marino and
Speaker 1: some of these guys. I'm sure for you it's similar
Speaker 1: to me, and that you appreciate the opportunity to because
Speaker 1: you'll learn so much from just interacting with these guys
Speaker 1: that have seen it and done it at the highest level.
Speaker 1: I never take that for granted. It's you know, I
Speaker 1: I love it. And you know, in terms of learning,
Speaker 1: that's you know, whether it's on air off air, I
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm such a geek for that, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, listening to Phil Simms talk
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and you know what he likes and what
Speaker 1: he doesn't like and what he's looking for, and I'm
Speaker 1: it's it's in it's a daily appreciation and frankly in education.
Speaker 1: And I never take that for granted, you know, working
Speaker 1: with with people. You know, I grew up, as I
Speaker 1: said earlier, as a diehard Giants fan. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Phil Simms was my guy, throw it up. And now
Speaker 1: you know we have this great friendship and you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's on the radio show every week and we
Speaker 1: work together at CBS. And I'm glad you asked that.
Speaker 1: I never ever ever take that for granted. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's ridiculously special and cool. And I appreciate all
Speaker 1: those moments with all these great analysts because you're right,
Speaker 1: you learn so much and you know and and then
Speaker 1: to have a rapport with them and hopefully ask provoking
Speaker 1: questions to maximize them. I mean, it's it's a great
Speaker 1: thrill of rush. The preparation. You know, you always have
Speaker 1: to be ready for that, you want to live up
Speaker 1: to it. It's I love it. I never take that
Speaker 1: for granted. And I'm listening, man, I'm so happy for
Speaker 1: your success. You're great at what you do. You're so entertaining,
Speaker 1: and I know Cardinal fans will be excited to have
Speaker 1: listened to this, and we'll look forward to following you
Speaker 1: and all the all the things you do and all
Speaker 1: the platforms you're on. Brother, appreciate the time, Oh Dave. Likewise, man,
Speaker 1: I'm throwed for your success. I love hearing you on
Speaker 1: the Cardinals games and on the ESPN and all the
Speaker 1: great great games you've called, and all the different sports.
Speaker 1: I mean the NBA. I love your NBA call. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're the football is incredible, and but watching the NBA,
Speaker 1: when you're on a big NBA game, it's it's the best.
Speaker 1: So I'm thrilled for you and I'm honored to be
Speaker 1: on the podcast. My friend, Thanks Brother day Day. So
Speaker 1: much great stuff there from Adam Shine. We could have
Speaker 1: talked for another hour because there were so many subjects
Speaker 1: about the NFL that we didn't get to. But I
Speaker 1: love hearing Adam's opinion on the Cardinals. He's long been
Speaker 1: a Cardinal supporter, big fan of Michael Bidwell and Steve Kime.
Speaker 1: He was very honest, says Kyler Murray could be MVP
Speaker 1: if it continues to play this way, but because there's
Speaker 1: only one vote that's talied per person that he's not
Speaker 1: sure that Kyler will win it because of some of
Speaker 1: the games that Colt McCoy started, and one plus we
Speaker 1: have to see if Kyler's back for the Chicago Bears game.
Speaker 1: Great stuff on the rest of the NFC, on the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, the Rams, and potential contenders outside the Cardinals
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