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Speaker 1: strong language and depictions of bullying, violence, and sexual assault

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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Manawat Caves, a production of iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: Blumhouse Television and Psycopia Pictures where God, Jesus fuck, don't paying.

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Speaker 1: Just know you expected this, you play it for it.

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Speaker 1: The black count are more frequent now, they last longer.

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Speaker 1: That's why you left this message for yourself, Julian, to

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Speaker 1: help you remember. First thing I need you to do.

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Speaker 1: Start the car. You need to drive. Never mind the fog.

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Speaker 1: Visibility is going to be shipped for a while, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Just head north and don't stop. No matter what. You

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Speaker 1: should have at least a half tank, so just drive,

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Speaker 1: drive until the fall breaks, and hopefully you will do it.

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Speaker 1: Must be done while you're still able to hit rewind,

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Speaker 1: go all the way back, then play it, all of it.

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Speaker 1: We have some breaking news. The Manowa County Sheriff's Department

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Speaker 1: said they found I'm an identified human remains in the

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Speaker 1: Appalachian Mountain three days an investigation not to the Erica

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Speaker 1: and there two they had permission to be here or

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Speaker 1: if they were trespassing a ghost in the the boys

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Speaker 1: bodies were lying here in a million door. Remains of

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Speaker 1: the comment. Hadley and Deacon Hadley, the twin brothers who

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Speaker 1: were reported missing on May nineteen, along with a third boy,

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Speaker 1: James m Okay. Here goes Today's July thirty, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Planet Earth, Cold Spring, New York. To be exact, this

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Speaker 1: is Julian Salisome, thirty three. I'm a writer, well, an

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Speaker 1: aspiring writer, nothing published yet. Maybe this will be the one. Um,

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Speaker 1: they say, right, Well, you know, well, this is a story.

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Speaker 1: I know this is personal, but it isn't an easy

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Speaker 1: one to tell. Matter of fact, I've been trying to

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Speaker 1: block it out ever since I left home fourteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Like my mother used to say, sometimes the only way

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Speaker 1: to go through it. So I guess I'll start there.

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Speaker 1: It was May May eighteenth, two thousand and seven, the

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Speaker 1: Hadley brothers, two seventeen year old twins from a prominent

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Speaker 1: and wealthy family in Maniwa County, went missing it was

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Speaker 1: the night before high school graduation. They were found ten

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Speaker 1: days later. The bodies were retreated from inside the mouth

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Speaker 1: of a cave, along with their cell phones, which contained

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Speaker 1: haunting audio and grainy images clues to what had happened.

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Speaker 1: I say, clues, clues fucking so so stupid, scoopy, fucking

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Speaker 1: do clues come on? Julian Okay? Starting over? All right?

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Speaker 1: So um okay? Based on their self Based on their

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Speaker 1: cell phone records, witness testimonies in the Corners report, it

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Speaker 1: was likely just after midnight the time of death. Another

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Speaker 1: boy went missing that day two, James Fincher, we called

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Speaker 1: him Finch. Finch came from a multiracial family. His mother

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Speaker 1: was black, his father part Latino and part Cherokee. At

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Speaker 1: the time of the Havley killings, Finch was only eighteen

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Speaker 1: years old. Today he's thirty two, and he's on death

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Speaker 1: row away in execution for the murder of the Haveley boys,

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Speaker 1: a double homicide in the first degree. But Finch didn't

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Speaker 1: New York. I'm driving back to Manua County today. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to go back. I don't want to do

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Speaker 1: my own father's funeral. And you know what, I was

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Speaker 1: okay with that, because the part of me that was

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Speaker 1: far as I was concerned, I thought i'd put man

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Speaker 1: to walk behind me for good. But I got a

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Speaker 1: from home. Hello, Julian, Julian Tallis Yeah, Da Dana Benherm,

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Speaker 1: Dana Hey has how how are you? It's been a

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Speaker 1: so it ain't looking great. I'll be honest. Look, I

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Speaker 1: know it's been a long time, Julian, and you've moved

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Speaker 1: on from all this, but we haven't. Okay. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, flashes like a fever. Dream images looping through

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Speaker 1: way into my waking moments. The leaky fawsett in my

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Speaker 1: was the sleep walking. The first time it happened, I

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Speaker 1: He's clutched in my hand. Time after that, I was

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Speaker 1: Willson Mechanical Solutions a stylis. I've known Tyler since I

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Speaker 1: was little. We grew up together. Who was one of

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Speaker 1: who in reality just never bought in. I looked him up.

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Speaker 1: He's a repair man now, lives in the woods on

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Speaker 1: it's as Juliana. Julie. Yeah, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

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Speaker 1: M hmm, Well, holy God damn Julian fucking Solace. Huh

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Speaker 1: it's me. Well to what do I owe the pleasure? Uh?

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Speaker 1: how do you know? I wasn't you might be coming

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Speaker 1: I was hoping. Uh oh, I was hoping, hoping. Come on,

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Speaker 1: say what you need. Don't be shotting now, motherfucker. I

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Speaker 1: you're here, okay? Are you sure? Yeah? No, it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. August second. The air smells like rust

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Speaker 1: and Decayne leaves an asphalt after the rain. It stirs

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Speaker 1: old thoughts and feelings. It feels haunted. There's something daunting

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Speaker 1: another show. Pottsville is the town I grew up in.

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Speaker 1: hasn't changed one bit since I left. Still small and poor.

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Speaker 1: Reverend Perkins from First Baptist and many to lie down

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Speaker 1: recording is from the archives Hadley Brothers Memorial services. Because

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Speaker 1: this feels senseless, Why were these two innocent souls taken

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Speaker 1: Diacon Hadley were the sons of Bobby and Mona Hadley,

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Speaker 1: without the consent of Bobby Hadley and the power bloated them,

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Speaker 1: His red hair seemed almost unreal, like it was woven

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Speaker 1: After all, I'm the one who found the bodies. Well,

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Speaker 1: Tyler and me, Damn, we should have been night right now,

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Speaker 1: So I scrub evidence that trial proceedings, prosecution, defense also

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Speaker 1: why he came home, isn't it? James Fincher's executions coming up?

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Speaker 1: Can I get a rephill please? There was obvious discrimination

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Speaker 1: What the hell are you doing here, Julian? I want

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Speaker 1: you need to understand how this works and how it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: The system did not merely permit the miscarriage of justice

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Speaker 1: The system encouraged it. James Fincher has been convicted and

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Speaker 1: here to do. If that's what it takes, Yes, ma'am, Look,

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Speaker 1: set free. And in order to do that, well, I

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Speaker 1: If I don't, James Fincher is going to be executed

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Speaker 1: in twelve days. The Ghost and the Dancing the Manoa

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Speaker 1: Justin Matthews Smith as Paul Salis, Tara Oakes as Laura Salis,

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Speaker 1: Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Bodie walter Off as

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Fincher, Brian McClure as Ian Speaks, Larry Clark as

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Speaker 1: Bobby Hadley, Peyton Fallis as ed La, Vic Pliss as

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Speaker 1: as The Darkness, with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill,

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Speaker 1: Created by Connel Byrne and Dan Bush, Written by Dan Bush,

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Speaker 1: Zoe Cooper and Nicholas Dakoski, featuring our theme song Killer Inside,

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Speaker 1: Written produced and performed by Lea Lynn. Our executive producers

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers at Blumhouse Television are Jeremy Gold Chris

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Speaker 1: and sound mixing by Juan Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, sound Bite Studio in Atlanta, and Echo

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Speaker 1: Mountain in Asheville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon.

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Speaker 1: Our dialect coach is Linda Basseesti, Assistant director Michael Monty,

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Speaker 1: second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator Sarah Klein.

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Speaker 1: Supervising producer Josh Thine. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and

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Speaker 1: Jason Davis, Jonathan Deeter, and Joe Rickman. The Manoel Caves

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