1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. For earlier access to these episodes, access 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: to Ask Me Anything sessions, and extended breakdowns of historical 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: and current events. Please consider joining our Warning Premium community 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: by clicking the link in the description to this episode. Well, 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: I have thrilled today to be joined by great American 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: the actor Henry Winkler, the Emmy Award winning actor Henry Winkler, 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: for a conversation about what's happening in our world. Henry. 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: You were born on October thirtieth, nineteen forty five, in 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: New York, and your middle name was Franklin. Tell ups 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: about that. 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: My parents came here. They had a six week visa 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: from Germany, and my father kept writing letters to the 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 2: government asking for a week or a month extension, and 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: thank goodness, they got it. My middle name is what 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: I was named after. The President of the United States 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: at that time, Franklin Roosevelt. 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: A titanic figure in the history of this country, in 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: world history. What did your father tell you about him 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: growing up? How did he shape your world? Who was 20 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Franklin Roosevelt growing up? He was? You were born a 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: few months after his death, born a month after the 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: unconditional surrender of the Japanese Empire aboard the battleship Free 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: at the beginning of a new era in American history. 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure that we talked a lot about 25 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: the president. What we talked a lot about was the horror, 26 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: the disbelief of what was happening, and that my parents 27 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: actually had to leave their country in order to start 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: a new life. I never had grandparents, I never had 29 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: ants and uncles. All of my aunts and uncles were 30 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: the German Jews who landed in New York City safely, 31 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: and they became the family. But for a real aunt 32 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: and uncle, a real grandparent, I never had one. 33 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: And of course you returned to Berlin, and we're going 34 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: to talk about that a little bit later in the 35 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: conversation with a terrific series Better Late than Ever, which 36 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: seems like it would be one of the great gigs 37 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: if you could get If somebody would come to you 38 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: and say we're gonna fly you all over the world. 39 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: Henry Winkler, William Shatner, George Morman and Terry Bradshaw, seems 40 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: like a fun group going all over the world and 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: seeing things. Lot of majesty out there. 42 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 2: I have to say that it was shocking that this 43 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: was a job that we were paid to do this. 44 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: We traveled all over Asia, all over Europe for two seasons, 45 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: and in Berlin, the task that I was given was 46 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: to find my roots, and they had done research. The 47 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: show had done research, and I wound up in front 48 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: of the building that my father and his brother Helmut 49 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: lived in and ran a business out of. In front 50 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: of the building was a silver toastone and it had 51 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: my uncle's name on it, the first time I ever 52 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: saw anything that close to my uncle his name on it. 53 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: His birthday he was taken to the concentration camps from 54 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: that spot, and what camp he went to and when 55 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: he died? 56 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: How did you feel standing there, as an American in 57 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: your seventies looking at that. 58 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: I never really cared for my family. My parents were 59 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: unduly strict, They were unduly blinded by I should be 60 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: who they wanted me to be, as opposed to who 61 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: I was being there in front of them, and they 62 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: never put the two together. So I didn't care about 63 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: looking for my roots. And then when I saw this 64 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: toast um, I fell apart. I don't know why I 65 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: was overtaken by an emotion. I had no idea was 66 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: in me. It was amazing. I am. You know. It's 67 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: funny because in this some ways there is such a 68 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: parallel to the history of then and what Americans are 69 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: doing now in allowing or not allowing people leaving horror 70 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: to come to the greatest country in the world. Jews 71 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: were turned back and all of these people from all 72 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: over the world, but you know, from South America are 73 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: turned back and we have enough country to be hospitable. 74 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: When you look back now from this vantage point in life, 75 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: do you understand your father a little better? He wanted 76 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: you to run the shop. You told him you wanted 77 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: to be an actor, right, And I suspect he wanted 78 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: his son to have security. He was someone who had 79 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: lost everything who came to America with a bi of chocolates. 80 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: And in that box of chocolates, as you shared the 81 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: story the gold the family jewels in it, that he 82 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: wanted his son to have security. Do you do you 83 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: look back on him now after that experience, from this 84 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: perspective on life and regard him a little bit differently? 85 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: And I say, and I asked that question as somebod 86 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: who's fifty two, who's both a son and a father, 87 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: and I think all fathers and sons have complicated relations 88 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: at some point. 89 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, I have to tell you something, Stephen. I promised 90 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: myself and my wife that I would be a different 91 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: parent than what I grew up with. That when I 92 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: found in my life being a parent, listening a herd 93 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: child is a powerful child, no matter what you're listening to, gibberish, 94 00:06:54,360 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: or they have something very important to them to tell you. 95 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: So hearing the child and seeing who's in front of you. Now, 96 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: I respect my parents. I think it took an amazing 97 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: amount of courage to leave your country, come to another country, 98 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: try to start a new life. I have a respect 99 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: for all of that. It took me a long time 100 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: to get over treating me in a way that I 101 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: could never live up to an expectation. Not dealing with 102 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: who was in front of them is the easiest way 103 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: I can say. 104 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: You were treated cruelly growing up, and you were somebody 105 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: who had enormous difficulty in school, and you would later 106 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: find out not until you are fonsie, Yeah. 107 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: Your dysles, that's right, that's right. So no matter what 108 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: they said, and not only then, but how about this, 109 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: I would be grounded for not doing well, and I 110 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 2: didn't do well because I was dyslexic, which is hereditary, 111 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: which my parents gave me. So they're now grounding me 112 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: for what they're responsible for me. 113 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: And your father calling you, your father calling you a dundhu. 114 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, really like a dumb dog. Yeah. Oh. They were 115 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: lovely people, but it just it made me crazy. And 116 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: I listened to my children. I listen to them now. 117 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: I listened to my grandchildren, and they are What they 118 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: say forms what my decision is about what's going on. 119 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: If you were fifteen years old, if you can pull 120 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: yourself back to that moment in time, Yeah, and a 121 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: stranger had walked up to you on a street. Yeah, 122 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: type of mystic that Bruce Springsteen sometimes talks about, and said, 123 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: Henry Winkler, one day you will be the author of 124 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: thirty eight books and counting. 125 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: What would you have said to that person? You're crazy. 126 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: I couldn't read, you know. My joke is when I 127 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: speak publicly that I had a copy of a Tale 128 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: of Two Cities and I read the cover. That was it. 129 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: I never got to the first page. 130 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: I did a. 131 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: Paper in college at Emerson on Dirkhim Amiel Dirkhim, the 132 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: father of sociology. I read the table of contents, and 133 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: I channeled what they must have meant to him, or 134 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: what he meant in the chapter, never never turning the 135 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: page from the table of contents, and I got to 136 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: be I just channeled what I thought the man was thinking. 137 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: And so this learning difference, how elemental do you think 138 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: it was to who you becough. 139 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: That's interesting because I will tell you when I found 140 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: out at thirty one that I had dyslexia, the first 141 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: thing I was was so angry because all of that yelling, 142 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: all of that bad feeling, all of that grounding, all 143 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: of the punishment, the humiliation was for nothing, because there 144 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: was no way My brain literally was a wire. Differently, 145 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: I wasn't getting it for all the tea in China. 146 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: Then I saw it, Okay, I'm going to negotiate it. 147 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to figure this out. And then I saw it. 148 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: Maybe I would not be here sitting talking to you 149 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: if I did not have the struggle of fighting through 150 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: this difference, this challenge. 151 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: There's a word I want to ask you about that 152 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: you have used repeatedly when talking about your childhood, and 153 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: that word is humiliation. 154 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, you know, it's funny. I was just 155 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: putting the finishing touches on the autobiography and one of 156 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: the things I added was that there was a comedian 157 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: by the name of London Lee when I was growing up, 158 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: and he was a great storyteller. He was on the 159 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: Ed Sullivan Show. And one of his jokes I took wholeheartedly. 160 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: I would sit in geometry for the fourth year not passing. 161 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: And he said, you know, I used to fantasize that 162 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: my parents moved and left no forwarding address. And I 163 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: swear to you I had that fat iss se I 164 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: would come home open the door they had moved, and 165 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: I would have figured out how to eat. I would 166 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: have figured out how to survive and not have to 167 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: listen to them anymore. 168 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: And what comes out of this, many many many years 169 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: later is a character that you imagine and create a 170 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: children's character with your collaborator, Lynn Oliver, named Hank Zipper. 171 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is Hank is short for Henry Zipster 172 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: is short for is not short for is the name 173 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: of a woman Ella Zipster, who lived on the fourth 174 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 2: floor of my apartment building. And I thought it was, 175 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: you know, like a zippy name, And I wrote, what 176 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: I knew I could remember what it was like to 177 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: be eight and fail at everything, and like, I don't 178 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: want to be this. I don't. I don't think I'm stupid. 179 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: I wanna meet the sun and I man, I just 180 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: couldn't for all the tea in China. 181 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: And how does it make you feel now or do 182 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: you ever really take a second to think about how 183 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: many children these books have helped and including my son? 184 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: You know what, Oh that makes me feel great, thank 185 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: you absolutely. But I meet the children, I meet the parents. 186 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: Wherever I am traveling, somebody comes up to me and said, 187 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: oh my god, your books helped me. They were I 188 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: realized I wasn't alone. How did you know me so well? 189 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: Or that parents would say would start crying and say 190 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: to me, my son couldn't read, my daughter couldn't read, 191 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: and they were able to negotiate your books and then 192 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: made them last. I'm telling you, I I don't know. 193 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: It's like a volcano goes off in my head when 194 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: I hear that outside of my own family, I don't 195 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: know that there is a better compliment in my entire existence. 196 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:21,359 Speaker 1: When you look back, the boy who is humiliated becomes 197 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: a young man who struggles, but also finds grit and 198 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: determination and ambition right and has a passion. 199 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Tell us about the I think that the passion and 200 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: ambition is separate from the grit that starts to get 201 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: baked in having to negotiate keeping above water and not 202 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: being able to read or do math or spell or 203 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: any of that stuff. But the ambition, I think it comes. 204 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: You're out, you cry, and probably in that cry is hey, 205 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: let's get going. 206 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: And your journey takes you to Yale, Yes, where you 207 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: get a master's in theater, Yes, and in drama, and 208 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: you're on the stage. Take us back, What is it 209 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: like for you to walk out on a stage as 210 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: a as a young man? What does that mean to you? 211 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you learn your craft. I wanted to 212 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: be really good at what I do, so training is important. 213 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: That I got into the Yale Drama School, one of 214 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: the best drama schools anywhere, is like crazy that they 215 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: said yes. Because twenty five start, eleven finished in my class, 216 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: three were asked into the professional company. I made one 217 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two dollars a week. I was living 218 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: my dream when I walked on the stage. Then I 219 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: was a shell of myself as an actor. I was 220 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: trying to keep my head above water just in you know, 221 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: be having this feeling of being no good, and I 222 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: was perverted. I was not the actor I was. I 223 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: was the actor I thought I should be, which made 224 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: me just all balled up in a twisted thing of 225 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: bones and sinews, and I couldn't get out of my 226 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: own way. And it took me from there to now 227 00:16:53,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: to start being able to emerge who I am. That 228 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: I could not have done the character on Barry gene 229 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: Cusinel years ago. I would have just screwed it up completely. 230 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for watching. Make sure you subscribe to our 231 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: channel so you never miss a video. Also, for more 232 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: content just like this, please consider joining our Warning premium community. 233 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: You can find out more in the description below. When 234 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: I have occasions to speak to college students, there will 235 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: always be some percentage that come up after the class, 236 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: and they'll want to really get deep into my career 237 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: and my experience, almost as if they're taking notes on 238 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: a plot point. You did this when you were twenty four, 239 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: and I do this by twenty three, and they have 240 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: a plan for their lives. A lot of these kids 241 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: have had their lives curated from very very early ages, 242 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: standardized test training to get into the school. And the 243 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: number one thing I say to them, I say, trust 244 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: me on this. And the older I get, the more 245 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: appreciation I have for this, which is that you have 246 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: no idea what's going to happen in your life. You 247 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know, you don't know what's gonna happen. 248 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna walk in some place that is completely accidental 249 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: one day, and you might meet your spouse who you'll 250 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: spend the next fifty years with and have your family with. 251 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: There are a thousand things that may or may not happen, 252 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: and so this plays out with you in your career. 253 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: You graduate at Yale, you go to California, you have 254 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: enough money for one month. I want to talk about 255 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: the zeitgeist of that. I think going west to California 256 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: from the East coast, whether it was when I did 257 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: it in the nineteen nineties, were when you did it 258 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies, has a different meaning than it 259 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: does today. 260 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: But you so what everything you're saying is true, and 261 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: that you don't know what's going to happen. I worried 262 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: about I still worry right now Barry is over what 263 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: am I going to do? I'm I'm scared out of 264 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 2: my mind. But the one thing that is constant is 265 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: you had a thought about what you want. You knew 266 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: what you want, and that is the key. If you 267 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 2: know what you want without ambivalence, every step you take, 268 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: every time you brush your teeth, every bite you take 269 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: of food is moving you where you want to go. 270 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: If you don't know what you want to do, you're 271 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: going to just flip flop all over the place like 272 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: you're blowing like a plastic bag in the wind up 273 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: against a chain link fence. 274 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: You talk about your parents earlier, and so you wind 275 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: up as far as you can conceivably get in the 276 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: United States from them. You're in Los Angeles, get a 277 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: gig on the Mary Kyler Moore Show. Within the month, 278 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: and week, within the month, within a week, and within 279 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: the month, you were cast as Arthur Fonzarelli. 280 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, and I only have four lines, six lines, 281 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: and you know they usually do thirteen episodes is an 282 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: order for television at that time. I was in seven 283 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: of the thirteen, and very shortly I was in thirteen 284 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: of the thirteen. It was amazing and all I did 285 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: was changed my voice, and that it was like there 286 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: was a little treasure box and I completely unlocked it 287 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: just by changing my voice. 288 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: And when you look back to that moment, Arthur Fonza 289 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: Rally is in a windbreaker, right, there is dispute over 290 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: the leather jacket. Right, and Fonzie even wear a leather jacket? 291 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: Does that denote him as a criminal? And looking back 292 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: from that moment in that conversation, do you wish you 293 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: could have said, Hey, someday this jacket's going to be 294 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: in the Smithsonian. 295 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: You know what, I didn't have the first of all, 296 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: I didn't have the wear we're goal to say something 297 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: like that. I didn't have the cloud to say something 298 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: like that. So then what do you do? 299 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: Now? 300 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: I'm trained, Now, I have the three years of Yale 301 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: and the repertory theater under me. Holding me is my foundation. 302 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: So I have to wear this jacket. How'd he be 303 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: cool in a jacket like that? I got these friends 304 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: and in what you've got, you take what you've got 305 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 2: and you make lemonade out of that lemon of a jacket. 306 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: Cool is not what I'm wearing on my back. Cool 307 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: is coming from the inside out. People thought I was tall. 308 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: You know, I told this story. I went down. I 309 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: don't know if I'm able to say a curse word 310 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: on your show, but we're down. We're down in Dallas, 311 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand people and they are now coming closer 312 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: and closer and closer to the four ron Howard Don 313 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: mose Anson, Williams. Me at the other side of the 314 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand people are is our limousine, and I 315 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: just I use the character. Usually I do not use 316 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: the character off the show, and I just said, Hey, 317 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: you're going to part like the rid c and we're 318 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: gonna walk to our car. You're not gonna touch us. 319 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: And I'm telling you. Twenty five thousand people me and 320 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: we started walking. I'm not kidding, and somebody said he 321 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: is so cool. And then somebody else said, wow, he's 322 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: so short. And I turned around and said, hey, you 323 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, I swear to God. And then then 324 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: he said, oh, he's so. 325 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: Sure, you are not short. 326 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 2: Hey, he is so cool. And we just kept walking, 327 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: gott in the car and drove away. 328 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: There were two things that were shattered for me in 329 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: my in my late forties when I discovered them. The first, 330 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: I learned at Bruce Springsteen's Broadway show was that the 331 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: Boss not only could the Boss not drive a stick shift, 332 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: the Boss couldn't drive it all well into his twenties. 333 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: And and FONSI can't actually ride a motorcycle. 334 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: I can't. I want to say now that you found 335 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: found out that that the Boss can't drive stick was 336 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: that not one of the great shows you've ever seen? 337 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: I think it is the greatest live performance. Oh man, 338 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: look any type that I've ever seen. It was I've seen. 339 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: I saw twice. It was just it was just an 340 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: extraordinaryly moving And I grew up being a Jersey about 341 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: fifteen miles from from where he grew up, and so 342 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: there's this connection to generation apart. But it was just 343 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: extraordinary and I and I thought for me, you know, I, 344 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: I you listened to it, and he talks about his 345 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: father and the relationships. He is a he is an 346 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: extraordinary artist. So I want us to listen to something 347 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: together about the role of an artist in society. And 348 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: and when this was made, you were a young man 349 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: from October of nineteen sixty three. And when we think 350 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: about the poet, the poet will be listening about as 351 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: Robert Frost. But the person who delivered the speech President 352 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: kennedy Is last major address, didn't live long enough to 353 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: imagine a world where Bob Dylan would get a Nobel 354 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: Prize in literature, that music would be a forum of poetry, 355 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: and that screenwriting in the twenty first century would become 356 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: a high art form as well. The literature error. So 357 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: let's listen to this recording about the role of an 358 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: artist in society, and then we'll come back and talk 359 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: about that, because you are certainly an artist, and I 360 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: imagine conceive of yourself as such. 361 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: The honest, however, fa told to his personal vision of reality, 362 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: becomes the last champion of the individual mind and sensibility 363 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 3: against an intrusive society and an officious state. The great 364 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 3: artist is thus a solitary figure. He has, as for 365 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 3: us said, a lover's quarrel with the world. In pursuing 366 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: his perceptions of reality, he must often sail against the 367 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: currents of his time. 368 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: This is not a popular role. 369 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: If Robert Source was much honored during his lifetime, it 370 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: was because a good many preferred to ignore his darker truths. 371 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: Yet in retrospect we see how the artist's fidelity has 372 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: strengthened the fiber of our national life. If sometimes our 373 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: great artists have been the most critical of our society, 374 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: it is because their sensitivity and their concerned for justice, 375 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: which must motivate any true artist, makes him aware that 376 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: our nation fall short of its highest potential. I see 377 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: little more important literature of our country and our civilization 378 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: than full recognition of the place of the artist. If 379 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: art is to nourish the roots of our culture, society 380 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 3: must set the artist free to follow his vision wherever 381 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 3: it takes it. We must never forget that art is 382 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: not a form of propaganda. 383 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: It is a form of truth. 384 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: And, as mister McLeish once remarked the poets, there is 385 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: nothing worse for our trade than to be in style. 386 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: In free society. Art is not a weapon, and it 387 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 3: does not belong to the sphere of polemics and ideology. 388 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: Artists are not engineers of the soul. It may be 389 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: different elsewhere a democratic society. In it, the highest beauty 390 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: of the writer, the composer, the artist is to remain 391 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: true to himself and to let the chips forward they 392 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: may in serving his vision of the truth. 393 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: The artist beth serves his nation. 394 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: And the nation which disdains the mission of art invites 395 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: the fate of Robert Frost hired man, the fate of 396 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: having nothing to look backward to with pride and nothing 397 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: to look forward to with hope. I look forward to 398 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: a great future for America, a future in which our 399 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: country will match its military strength with our moral restraint, 400 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: its wealth with our wisdom, its power with our purpose. 401 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: I look forward to an America which will not be 402 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 3: afraid of grace and beauty, which will protect the beauty 403 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: of our natural environment, which we're preserved, the great old 404 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 3: American houses and squares and parks of our national past, 405 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: and which will build handsome and balanced cities for our future. 406 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: I look forward to an America which will reward achievement 407 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: in the arts as we reward achievement in business or 408 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: state craft. I look forward to an America which will 409 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 3: steadily raise the standards of artistic accomplishment, and which will 410 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 3: steadily enlarge cultural opportunities for all of our citizens. And 411 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: I look forward to an America which commands respects throughout 412 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: the world, not only for its strength, but for its 413 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: civilization as well. And I look forward to a world 414 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: which will be safe not only for democracy and diversity, 415 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: but also for personal distinction. 416 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: Wow, what do you think when you listen? 417 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: All right? I think one art sometimes is the only 418 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: way a child can communicate with the world. America cuts 419 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: the arts right out of its consciousness, and it is 420 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: a crime against humanity. I detest a person who says, hey, 421 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: you're an actor, you shouldn't be political, you shouldn't have 422 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: a thought. What am I'm not a human being. First, 423 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: I'm not an American. First, I was not born just 424 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 2: like you. I chose this. You chose being a whatever 425 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: you're doing. I don't think you don't have a thought. 426 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: So that kills me. It is so easy, especially at 427 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: this set, people are looking for other people to tell 428 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: them what to do. We're falling right into the possibility 429 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: of fascism, and that fascism is going to bite these 430 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: people who are looking to them to be leaders. They're 431 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: going to bite them right in the tush. You're going 432 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: to kick them right to the curb. That's what I'm thinking, 433 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: And about two thousand other thoughts. 434 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: When you hear President Kennedy, what was his last major 435 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: speech talking about these things? I think it is safe 436 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: to say that the dialogue the script such as it 437 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: is in our national life has degenerated since then. It's 438 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: unthinkable that did that. A president of the United States 439 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: and the modern era delivers this speech and we are 440 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: less sir off for it. 441 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: Further without a doubt. And not only that, but also 442 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 2: when you listen to some of the speeches we have heard, 443 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: it is like they read the TV guide and that's 444 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: their source for vocabulary. That's their source or thought. There's 445 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: no sense of I'm elected to take care of this 446 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: country and all of the people in it. Now it 447 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: is I am elected who make as much money as 448 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: I can. And the children who don't eat, let them 449 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: be damned. 450 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever conceived of your craft and your artistry 451 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: as a daily practice as a practice of patriotism, in 452 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: that it is every day an act free expression of 453 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: freedom of conscience and imagination. And none of these things 454 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: are allowed or exist or flourish in autocratic or tutalitarian society, 455 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: where art and the artists are always the first targets. 456 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: Because a danger to tutalitarianism is the truth as expressed 457 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: through ort. 458 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. I think about 459 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: the people who are banning books. Got to where they 460 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: are today because they had access to those very books. 461 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: It is like insane. It's like we're trying to dumb 462 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: our country down. I love our country. I am so 463 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: proud to be an American. I have flourished as an 464 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: American and every day I get to do what it 465 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 2: is I dreamt of doing since I was seven. Is 466 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 2: because we live in a great country. But that country 467 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: is really has to be very, very careful and delicate 468 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: with itself because I don't know. It's like we are 469 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: anti education and people are you know, you don't know 470 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: to you don't need to know things in order to 471 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 2: keep the greatness of our country going, which is completely 472 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: the opposite. 473 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: When you listen to Kennedy talk, he talks about the 474 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: role of the artist, and he talks about his hope 475 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: that one day that it will be recognized as important 476 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: and honored as such as much as business or politics. 477 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: And there's a strike underway in Hollywood that I think 478 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: is a lot that I think is about a lot 479 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: more than money. The money is a big part of it, 480 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: and it's the. 481 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 2: Idea, well, it's not just money, it's money to exist. 482 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: These people, you know, their livelihood is on the line. 483 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 2: And it is so interesting because the writer is the 484 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: beginning in the end. I come to work, I have 485 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 2: a script. The director comes to work. They're working off 486 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 2: a script. The director of photography comes to work. They're 487 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 2: working off a script. If it ain't on the page, 488 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: it ain't on the state on the stage. First time 489 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: I ever heard that expression was Arnold Schwarzenegger. 490 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: When I worked for him when he was writing for 491 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: real election for governor, and he took it very seriously. 492 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: He was meticulous about his preparations for giving a public speech. 493 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: When you look at this strike and you look at 494 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: the issue, and really the issue is popularizing. The writers 495 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: as the studio in this what's called the Golden Age 496 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: of television have made record profits but also spent record 497 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: amounts of money, uh, sometimes frivolously, sometimes foolishly, and like 498 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: a lot of things, that falls downward, not upward. And 499 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: so when you look at the strike right now and 500 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: in the role of art in the society, the Golden 501 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: age of television, that this is really art that is 502 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: being expressed on the on the screen on these shows. 503 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: And I think that this is a enormously consequential strike 504 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: because it is the first labor movement at the edge 505 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: of the age of artificial intelligence. That to the themes 506 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: that you're Kennedy talked about. 507 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know that this country worship the wrong pee. 508 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 2: Population has been moved aside for profit, that people are 509 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 2: so obsessed with making money that they allow their neighbors 510 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: to be cut in half by a weapon. 511 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: When you think about that about profit, I was, I was, 512 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: I was watching Jeff Bezos out on his new his 513 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: new yacht, which cost five hundred million dollars, and you know, 514 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm conflicted about it, right. You know, he 515 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: he created this company, he made the money. If he 516 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: wants to spend five hundred million dollars on a boat, 517 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: it's his money, it's his boat. A lot of a 518 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: lot of craftsmen, a lot of nautical engineers made a 519 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: piece of art. Which is which is which is what 520 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: that which is what that ship is. But on the 521 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: other hand, uh, no one's taking any of this with 522 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: them when they when they get to the end of 523 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: the when they get to the end of the line. 524 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: And really, a life well lived is not a life 525 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: about how many things you've accumulated. It's really about the 526 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: measure and memory of your character. 527 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 2: Yes, But the thing is that your life can include both. 528 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 2: I do not I do not I like making money. 529 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 2: I like that I can afford a vacation, I can 530 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 2: go fly fishing. I like that I can help my 531 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 2: children with their children. But you don't have to have 532 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 2: one without the other. There can be a balance. You know, 533 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: you have that much money, like Elon Musk has, and 534 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 2: you think you know a lot of people could be fed. 535 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: A lot of people could be fed just in our 536 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 2: country with a minor portion of what these men may. 537 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 1: It's also that I think, uniquely in America, we tend 538 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: to equate intelligence with wealth. And the truth is a 539 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: lot of these people are stone called morons who just 540 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: have very very wealthy or have or have a gift 541 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: in a very specific area that translated into making a 542 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: lot of money. 543 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely. And but here's the thing. You When I talk 544 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 2: to children in the classroom, every child knows what they're 545 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 2: good at, and the country, in order to remain great, 546 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 2: needs every single thing they can do. You know, some 547 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 2: children say to me, I am good at making friends, 548 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 2: I am good at breathing, I am good at logarithms. 549 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 2: I said, well, that makes one of us. But we 550 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 2: need everything that they can do. And if Bezos and 551 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 2: all of these men, all of this top rarefied tier 552 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 2: is good at something we need that it just needs. Also, 553 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 2: we need them to share. We need to share with 554 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: our neighbor. You know, my favorite, my favorite metaphor is 555 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 2: a natural disaster and you're on the roof of your house. 556 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 2: Everything you own is underwater underneath you. Your life is 557 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 2: on the roof. A boat is coming towards you to 558 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 2: get you off the roof and give you some water. 559 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 2: Do you say, how did you vote? What's the color 560 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 2: of your skin? I don't think so, I say, you say, ah, yeah, 561 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: well yeah, please help. I'm sot I want to get 562 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,959 Speaker 2: off this roof. You know what, the way we are 563 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 2: thinking now, the divide that we have in this country 564 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 2: is so destructive and winning will not keep us the 565 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: great country we are. The sharing of one another will 566 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,439 Speaker 2: keep us the great country we are. 567 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: I've had an experience with my kids. Knowing that I 568 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: was going to do this, my wife and I we 569 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: placed a bet and we were driving around. I said, 570 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: do you think the kids know who Fansie is? And 571 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: she she didn't miss a beat, So absolutely no chance. 572 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: They don't and so we're talking seventeen and eighteen, have 573 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: a bunch of them in the car, and I go 574 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: Arthur Fonzarelli blank blank Blank's stare Phonsie, So you know 575 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: who FANSI is? Well, Richie Cunningham, Nope. And and but 576 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: then I asked them about the character that you got 577 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: that Emmy for over your over your shoulder, and they knew, Wow, 578 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: and they and they and they and they loved you. 579 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: And I found that astonishing that I've lived long enough 580 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: in a in American culture that there's a that there's 581 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: a generation that are driving and sneaking out trying to 582 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: get beers that have no idea who the Fonds. 583 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 2: Is and was fifty years ago. 584 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: Fifty years they didn't they didn't know. They didn't know 585 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: George Jefferson, they didn't, they didn't know any of these 586 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: shows that that I think, are you know, the indelible 587 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: shows of a of an era of American, of an 588 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: of American. 589 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: You are you're growing up America? 590 00:42:59,560 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: For sure? 591 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 2: They have another growing up America. 592 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: They sure do. 593 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 3: You know. 594 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: One character that crosses the line is the water Boy. 595 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 2: Somehow everybody knows the water Boy, you know that has 596 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 2: always amazed me how things endure. You know, just I 597 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 2: just called I don't mean to interrupt you, but I 598 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 2: just called the president of CBS and I said, I 599 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 2: have a crazy idea. If you know, we have a strike. 600 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 2: You need content. If you put Happy Days, the original 601 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 2: Happy Days, on on an any night of the week, 602 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 2: the children will find it like a duck to water 603 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 2: because it's not it's set in another time the stories 604 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 2: they relate to, and children of three would gravitate to 605 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 2: the funds at that time. The same thing would happen today. 606 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 2: I believe it deep in my heart. 607 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: That's smart advice, smart advice people. People no doubt would 608 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: watch the show. I do think. You know, when you 609 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: talk about kids, you know at eighteen you known't. I 610 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: have five, three kids, two step kids, all of the 611 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: kids at eighteen night and all of their friends. None 612 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,439 Speaker 1: of them, for instance, have watched The Godfather. Right, none 613 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: of them can sit literally physically. I've accepted this. Right. 614 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: It's it's not possible for them to sit through a 615 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: three hour movie and pay attention and consume the and 616 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: consume the information and enjoy it in that and that 617 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: is a deep shame, and that is a deep, deep 618 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: deep shame and and and all of it is derivative 619 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: of of these things. Yeah, that's after brain. 620 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 2: My daughter has finally taken screen time and given it 621 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 2: a given it an amount of time during the day 622 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 2: that they're able to And I think there's one night 623 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 2: when there is no screen time whatsoever. Then they have 624 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 2: to be a family together and figure out what to 625 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 2: do because. 626 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: It was just well, it's a great idea. Overwhelming these things. 627 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: These things, these things are the equivalent of cigarettes times 628 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:44,479 Speaker 1: ten for this generation of me. We don't know enough 629 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: about the human brain, but the incidences of depression, the 630 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,760 Speaker 1: increase of suicide. And this is a not a billion 631 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: dollar industry, this is a trillion dollar industry, right, And 632 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,240 Speaker 1: so this this is one of the most destructive things 633 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: that has ever been handed to a child in the 634 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: history of civilization. And so we're gonna have a lot 635 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: of We're gonna have a lot of cleanup and Aisle 636 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: six to do in the in the years ahead about 637 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: about all of these things. Yeah, I do want to 638 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: ask you before we go talk about Barry ending and 639 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: and and it and and I know what you're talking 640 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: about here. It it might seem strange to someone you 641 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: know that that Henry Winklers worried about his next gig, 642 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: what he's what he's gonna do next. But but that's like. 643 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 2: It's a reality. 644 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: Any ambitious person, what's. 645 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 2: What the reality? 646 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: Uh uh? 647 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 2: You know, Barry was an amazing thing. I had no idea. 648 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 2: I started with six lines on Happy Days, and it 649 00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 2: grew into this wonderful character. I had, you know, one 650 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 2: or two scenes as the acting coach, and then the 651 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 2: other characters had their pods in the stories and the 652 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 2: character group. 653 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: It was. 654 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 2: Enchanting to play Gene Cusinel, especially against Sarah Goldberg, Stephen 655 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 2: Root Bill Hater, my director, creator and acting partner. I 656 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 2: am just now sad that it's over, that I will 657 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 2: not be going back to work with this group behind 658 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 2: and in front of the camera. 659 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: Two last questions for you, one about television shows, one 660 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: about movies. You can't put any end to the last 661 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: that that you've been in the three greatest movies of 662 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: all time. 663 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 2: City of God, the Godfather there you know, and the Sting. Now. 664 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 2: The reason I say that is because the City of 665 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 2: God is about Brazil and about the Gang's in Rio 666 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 2: de Dejaneiro, and you have to watch that early in 667 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 2: the morning. You can't watch it later in the day 668 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 2: because it so stays with you that it will ruin 669 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 2: your appetite. The Godfather, Sting. These are movies that when 670 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 2: they are playing and you no matter where you come 671 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 2: in and you're walking across the room, you sit down, 672 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 2: you watch them to the end. It just as they 673 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 2: are magnets of entertainment, and they never get old. They 674 00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 2: never miss The Philadelphia Story, Black White, Unbelievable, Carry Grant, 675 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 2: any of Carrie Grant's movies. They are enchanting. 676 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 1: The three greatest television series of all time. 677 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 2: Well, one is South Korean called crash Landed onto You. 678 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 2: Crash Landed onto You. Oh my god. When I was 679 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 2: growing up, that's hard, Stephen, that is so hard. The 680 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 2: one of the shows that comes to me is All 681 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 2: in the Family, and I loved The Lone Ranger, rintintin 682 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 2: The Bad Sisters Lately. You know Sharon Oregan from Ireland. 683 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 2: But crash Landed onto You is unbelievable. 684 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 1: Crash Landed on to You, We will leave it there. 685 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: The best TV series of all time with an American 686 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,839 Speaker 1: icon and an Emmy Award winning actor, a gracious man, 687 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,360 Speaker 1: a kind man, a gentleman an American treasurer and patriot, 688 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: Henry Winkler. 689 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, I want to tell you something. I am so 690 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 2: happy I got to spend this time with you, Steven. 691 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,439 Speaker 2: You know I am a fan of yours. I've let 692 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 2: you know that. And you are just so articulate about you, 693 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 2: like a sociologist about what you see in front of you, 694 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 2: on how we're living. 695 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: I just say, you know, you go through life and 696 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 1: you don't expect, if you grew up in North Plainfield, 697 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: New Jersey, that you're ever going to meet the Fawnds. 698 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 1: But when you do meet the Fawnds and you discover 699 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: the man behind him, the man of tremendous grace and graciousness, 700 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:11,439 Speaker 1: uh and class and gentleness, what you appreciate is if 701 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 1: you keep your heart open, your eyes open, you go 702 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: through life, be grateful from the people that you meet, 703 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,879 Speaker 1: because you're gonna meet some extraordinary men and women out 704 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: there along the way. Thank you every much. Quick