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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lully. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: It is a rainy Wednesday here in Pittsburgh, but there's

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Speaker 1: lots of stuff going on in the NFL A week

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Speaker 1: from today, Matt. As I sit here, I'm watching on

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Speaker 1: my TV the historically black Colleges and universities Legacy Bowl practice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've watched any of that, but

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Speaker 1: I'm keeping haying on that. And we'll have the NFL

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Speaker 1: scouting combine pretty much kicking off in full swing by

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Speaker 1: this time next week. Yeah, oh yeah, Well we will

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Speaker 1: have been there for two days, you know, and so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna arrive Monday will be a travel day for us,

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Speaker 1: come home Saturday, and I look forward to it a

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Speaker 1: great deal. That week is a blast. You see a

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Speaker 1: lot of people you've done work with and don't see

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Speaker 1: in person, but you know, there's so much buzz. The

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Speaker 1: bars and restaurants are fun, radio rows, high energy, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and there's a stuff. As I've explained it to people,

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Speaker 1: the entire NFL is in like a three block area

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Speaker 1: of Indianamys, right, including all these incoming players that you're

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Speaker 1: kind of meeting for the first time. And not to

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Speaker 1: mention the test scores and all that stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: And we learned a lot of information about these guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember what was this is probably three years ago,

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Speaker 1: but found out you know, a little birdie told us,

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Speaker 1: you know, Philip Rivers is going to be the cold

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Speaker 1: quarterback this year. Oh okay, you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff happens and we may have something

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Speaker 1: similar this year. Exactly. You're not going to have a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Is It does appear that Matt Ryan's going to retire.

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Speaker 1: They've moved on from him anyways, But they're one of

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Speaker 1: the teams that are a rumored to be they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have the fourth overall pick as we sit here today,

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Speaker 1: I believe, and you know, the sets up well for

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Speaker 1: them to get a quarterback, which leads me to we

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Speaker 1: talked that we've talked about this when we've touched base

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Speaker 1: with this one every month now over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of months, Matt Miller has updated his first round grade

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Speaker 1: graded prospects. Now, this could change again after next week.

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Speaker 1: Maybe somebody he didn't expect to, you know, a cornerback

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Speaker 1: Everybody that's been one of the knocks on Camp Smith

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Speaker 1: let's see he goes out and shows he's an elite athlete,

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Speaker 1: right right, there's numbers to back it up. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: top rated you know it should be a top rated cornerback.

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Speaker 1: But people question his athleticism. Is he gonna be a

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Speaker 1: he goes that runs a four four five. That'll alleviate

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Speaker 1: some of those issues. Wow, his jumps are great, his

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Speaker 1: change direction was good. His drill work. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: not to mention if he's as is always gonna be

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Speaker 1: the case with the drill work and all that kind

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Speaker 1: corners and you look more athletic than ninety five percent

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Speaker 1: these guys maybe should have gone to the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think Zeph bad idea to get

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Yeah. Even I mean, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I would assume. So. So looking here at Miller's first

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Speaker 1: the preference of it. Okay. So he had twenty guys

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Speaker 1: So there's some some guys that are fallen off and

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Speaker 1: there's some fluctuation there. Yeah. So his quarterbacks Bryce Young, C. J.

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Speaker 1: his number eleven? Okay. It brings me to Richardson, Like,

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Speaker 1: I certainly understand Richardson not being on here, but I

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Speaker 1: because that's a position they don't want, you know, you want,

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Speaker 1: But is there you know, is there just one prospect

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Speaker 1: then you're gonna take the pick. You don't care about

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Speaker 1: not happy that Richardson was there, right, you know what

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Speaker 1: don't know who the team would be which just moving

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Oh, I think they are possible definitely,

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Speaker 1: but we're willing to trade up a seventeen to get him.

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Speaker 1: you want all those guys basically off the board, probably

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Speaker 1: five or six of them truly are three offensive tackles. Scronsky, Jones, Johnson.

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Speaker 1: No real surprise there, although he has them in that order.

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Speaker 1: his comps on So we've done this before. So Scronsey

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Speaker 1: I look at Washington and think maybe he's a fit there. Yea.

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Speaker 1: to me. I feel strongly Anderson, Murphy, and Wilson will

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Speaker 1: we're looking at this from a Steeler's perspective, that would

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Speaker 1: bump that number up to ten players, not counting any

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Speaker 1: of the offensive tackles. Okay, okay, So so van Ness

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Speaker 1: to see him go ahead of you know, four edge rushers,

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, Jalen Carter is number three overall prospect, Okay,

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Speaker 1: same three. Witherspoon is number nine, Joey Porter number ten,

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Speaker 1: fifty percent chance that one of those three is available. Yeah,

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