1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Fellow ridiculous historians, we are returning to you this weekend 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: with a celebration and a classic episode. Happy Father's Day 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: to all the fathers out there. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: Dude, have you seen the movie The Miami Connection? Have I? 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Why am I asking you? I don't know? It's okay. 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: It's an eighties absolute. 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 3: Bonkers B movie that involves ninja's and like some tough 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: fighting guys who are in a hair metal band called 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 3: Dragon Sound. 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: But there's this one plot line. 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: This one dude from Dragonstown I think, is the keyboard 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 3: player who's trying to find his father and at one 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: point he gets a letter in the mail and it 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: gets this really heartwarming scene where he goes, he opens 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: the letter and he goes, my father, and then he goes. 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Just just look up that scene. It'll 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: warm your damn heart. It's so good. 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: It's a terrible movie that was made by a taekwondo 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: master to promote his taekwondo school. 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: Back amazing. It's got songs that are about the stuff 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: that happens. Right. 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 3: I love that we'll fight the ninjas and we'll get 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: the cocaine. 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: It's so good. That's great. 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoy our exploration of Father's Day. 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: A few years back. We were surprised to find that 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Father's Day, which we've always accused of being kind of 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: a hallmarket in creation, Father's Day, was not immediately popular 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: when it was proposed, originally because people thought celebrating your 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: father was a little too effeminate. 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: Let's roll that beautiful Father's Day footage. 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 33 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 34 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer, 35 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: Max Live Williams. 36 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Max Liar Williams, he's not to 37 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: be trusted. He gave us this big countdown to our 38 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: first session in the new studio, and turns out he'd 39 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: been recording the whole. 40 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: Time, the whole damn time. God forbid of those outtakes 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: that are making into the world. Oh yeah, it's gonna 42 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: be over for us. 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: It's true though. I'm Ben gar Nol. We are here 44 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: in person at the New studios. This is for any 45 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: longtime listener. This is the first time you and I 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: have recorded in a actual podcast studio instead of something 47 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: we bootlegged totally. 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: Not to mention the first time Ridiculous History has recorded 49 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: in person. 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: In over a year. I'd say we dabbled, you know, 51 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: post pandemic. 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: In our previous offices, but frankly, we just kind of 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: gotten so used to the workflow being able to podcast 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: in our underwear, it was a hard sell to leave 55 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: the house. 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: But now we're here, pants and all. How do you 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: know I have pants? I'm a different don't need to know. 58 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 2: It's true. 59 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: We can't see below the bells on Max. He's in 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: a whole glass you know, booth situation. It's very I 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: don't even. 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: Know we're another camera. He refuses to turn it on, 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: but there's a camera that lets us see what Max 64 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: is doing. 65 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: Pants cam. 66 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, actually it's only the upper half, so you 67 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 4: still want to know, all right. 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: Well as you are, as you are probably aware by 69 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the nature of the title. Here, folks, in typical Ridiculous 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: History fashion, we are celebrating a holiday after it happens 71 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: only a couple of days though, we're getting closer and 72 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: to get all. 73 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: Time you want me about it. 74 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: We're recording it well before the holiday. The holiday falls 75 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: this coming Sunday. We're recording this on a Thursday, and 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: you'll be here on a Tuesday. Wrap your brain around 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: that this is. 78 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: The world in which we live, and this is a 79 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: holiday that is I think it's the pepsi to the 80 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: Coca cola that is Mother's Day. 81 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a well meaning idea that wasn't immediately 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: adopted until people figured out how they could make a 83 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: buck off of it, that's right, and then followed by 84 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: backlash against those well meaning aforementioned well meaning folks. 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: It's Father's yes, plus their hearts. Indeed, Noel as as 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: a father, I think you were telling me off air 87 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: that you forgot about the holiday until until your family 88 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: reminded you. 89 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: Well, isn't that as it should be? Well? 90 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: What am I going to be counting down the day 91 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: as to Father's Day? Where is my whatever you get 92 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: on Father's Day. 93 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: In my card? I'm not petty, I'm petty in other ways. 94 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: Ty would be good. I'm not a tie guy, though, 95 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: maybe a money clip. 96 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you could get into cravats. 97 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: There you go. Isn't that the same thing as It's. 98 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: Just like it's a fancier but somehow lazier. 99 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: What's the short time? Ascott the Fred wears on Scooby Doo. 100 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: Oh Ascott, Yeah, you could get it, Askedcott. That's definitely 101 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: a choice. I gotta say, though, Father's Date. 102 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: It's funny because, like a lot of people, I don't 103 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: think we really explore the history. Most times you just remember, oh, 104 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: that day's coming up, and you remember it like right before. 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: At least I usually because Google changes their luck. Yeah. 106 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: I was informed that I will be taken to a 107 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: brunch on Sunday, the Father's Day. And I honestly they 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: said it like as though I were supposed to know 109 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: when that was going to be, and I had no 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: idea because I needed to put it in my calendar 111 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: to some degree. And I just they gave you the date, 112 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: and there it is, and I'll show up. 113 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: Oh good, your presence is the president. Yeah, so okay, 114 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: as we as we learn with Mother's Day, you described 115 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: that heartbreaking kind of commonality they have. Father's Day is 116 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: kind of recent too, I guess, in the grand scheme 117 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: of things, I thought for a long time I thought 118 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: it was like an early eighteen hundred's Day. 119 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: I don't think I had much of a concept for it. 120 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: I just always lumped it in with kind of the 121 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: greeting card holidays of the world, you know. Woodrow Wilson, 122 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: as we mentioned in the Mother's Day episode, described Mother's 123 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 3: Day or as a way to recognize that tender, gentle army, 124 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 3: the mothers of America. And it turns out part of 125 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: the backlash around making Father's Day a thing was that 126 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: it was like two like it it was for girls. 127 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: I will not be recognized by my family. 128 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: I will be recognized by my labors and the flat 129 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: of my brow. 130 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: You shall have one firm handshake upon your eighteenth. 131 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 3: Birthday, and then we will never speak again exactly. 132 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's weird. 133 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: People said, well, this feels kind of effeminate because we 134 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: have this association with Mother's Day. 135 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: It came first, did come first? Did come first? 136 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: And Father's Day then became an interesting concept that not 137 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: everybody was on board with. We know that people were 138 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: trying to make Father's Day a thing in the early 139 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds, I think in West Virginia in nineteen oh eight. Yeah, 140 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: they were really trying to make fetch happen Father's Day. Fairmont, 141 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: West Virginia, July fifth, nineteen oh eight. Grace Golden Clayton 142 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: Love fabulous old timy name suggested to a local Methodist 143 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: minister that services beheld to commemorate and celebrate the fathers 144 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: who lost their lives in a deadly mind explosion. Hundreds 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: of dudes. Three hundred and sixty one dudes. So this 146 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: is this is a very well intentioned thing, as you said, 147 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: but it's coming out. 148 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Of a tragedy. 149 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: Could have made it just a memorial for the thing. 150 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: You not necessarily have to lump in all fathers here. 151 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: But again, but a little, a little weird, just just 152 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: it feels like maybe that wasn't going to stick. 153 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: And it sounds like. 154 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Different local communities had their own kind of Father's Day 155 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: esque things for a while, just like in the case 156 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: of Mother's Day, there was this unofficial push to make 157 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: it a national holiday that occurred on the same day 158 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: for everyone across the nation. And a guy that we 159 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: are going to cover in an upcoming episode, William Jennings Bryant, Yeah, yeah, 160 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: he was a huge Father's Day fan. He was saying, 161 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, if you think that's effeminate for kids to 162 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: love their parents, then you got work to do. 163 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: That's more of a you thing, that's not a nus thing. 164 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: Also touched the silver. Also, I have to backtrack, guys, 165 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: because we mentioned Woodrow Wilson and I didn't say anything. 166 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 4: All right, Woodrow Wilson, go fuck yourself. Yeah, not a 167 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: great guy, boyhood home. I've already mentioned all that stuff. 168 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 4: Here's another president, though, with cool nickname that I was 169 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: not aware of. We've got we've got Woodrow go fuck 170 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 4: yourself Wilson, and then we've. 171 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: Got Calvin Silent cal Coolidge. Did you ever hear that before? 172 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 2: I haven't heard me. 173 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: I haven't heard Silent Cal, which is really but I 174 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,239 Speaker 1: do know why he has the nickname. He's a famously 175 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: uh yeah, task turn famously urst guy one time and 176 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Max you know this story too. Uh he was at 177 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: Coolidge was at a party Silent Cal and someone said, 178 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: I bet I could get three words out of you, 179 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: and he looked at them and he kind of like, 180 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: I guess what you call it in the drag community. 181 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: He read them and then he went, you lose. 182 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: So there's another story about him, and it's basically so 183 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 4: he became president when Harding died in office. 184 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: He was Harding's VP. 185 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 4: It was like the last year Harding's first term and 186 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 4: he just kind of got reelected because he was already 187 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: on there. I yeah, this guy seems fine enough, but 188 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 4: he didn't really have interest in actually being the president. 189 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: So I think this story is pretty hypocryphal. But supposedly 190 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 4: he like handed one of his aids and letter and 191 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: gotten a boat and rowed out into the middle of 192 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: a lake and the letters said I am not running 193 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: for reelection. 194 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: He just rode away and left hallelujah, Calvin wrote, rode 195 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: the boat ashore. I was thinking though, the three words. 196 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: Think he also could have said go fuck yourself. That 197 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: would would be but then he would have lost because 198 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: he would have said three words, but it would have 199 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: been mean. Yeah, it would have been an own but 200 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: also like a self owned kind of. 201 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: He was like the yin to. 202 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: Churchill's Yang of snarkiness who you know, come along later. 203 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: But uh, silent col so, I don't want to derailist. 204 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: That is a really cool nickname. 205 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: Uh. He was a fan of Father's Day, right, Yeah, 206 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: And that's what it takes to get these things to 207 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 3: pick up steam. 208 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: You gotta have some high powered uh supporters. 209 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: And even though silent Cow didn't say a whole lot, 210 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: maybe didn't really want to be president. He did seem 211 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 3: to take the whole Father's Day as a national holiday 212 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: concept and run with it, but not enough that it 213 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: actually happens. 214 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's weird because we know Wilson was on board, 215 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: Coolidge was on board. But if you look at the 216 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: origin story of Father's Day, you see that there are 217 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: two stories of when the first legit Father's Day was celebrated. 218 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: In some versions of the story, you'll hear about celebration 219 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: of Washington State in June nineteenth, nineteen ten, a resident 220 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: of Spokane with another great name, Sonora smart Nod. 221 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: I'm going to be that, actually, guy Ben, If I 222 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: were a Washingtonian, I would chastise you and say it's 223 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: actually Spokane. 224 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: Spokane. They will come at you for that. Yeah. 225 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: I only found out because I did a podcast that 226 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: was based in and around I remember that Spokane. 227 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad you said someone. 228 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: I'm going to be in Spokane later this year. 229 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: Well, now you can talk like a local. 230 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: Thank you to the good Thank you, Nolan, thank you 231 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: to the good people of Spokane. Indeed, so Sonora smart 232 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: Dodd though that's a good name. Fabulous right She Okay, 233 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: she was listening to a mother's day sermon at a church. 234 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: It's nineteen oh nine, and she says, hang on a 235 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: sick mothers are getting all this praise, and I'm not 236 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: against mothers, but I think fathers should get their own 237 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: day as well. 238 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, equal time. It's like running for office 239 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: right now. Sonora's father was a real man's man, WILLIAMS. Smart, 240 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: Mister Smart, a Civil War veteran, a widower. His wife 241 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: had passed during childbirth of their sixth child, as was 242 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: much more common in those days. He raised six children 243 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: by himself on their farm, on their homestead in Washington State. 244 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: And you know, I think where you're seeing where we're 245 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: going with this here, he's a great example of like, look, 246 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: fathers can be mothers too, which might have added to 247 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: the objections. 248 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 249 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And she said, you know, my dad's awesome, and 250 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: I want to show appreciation for all the hard work 251 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: he did. It's incredibly it can be incredibly difficult being 252 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: a single parent, especially to six children. So she says, 253 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: I want to pay homage to him, but I also 254 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: want to say it's for other dads in general, because 255 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I can make me liking my dad 256 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: specifically a national holidays totally. 257 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: They definitely could have made the mind explosion that killed 258 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: four hundred you know men, at least a regional day 259 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 3: of mourning, right, But a holiday is celebrating one dude, 260 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: you know, who experienced personal tragedy. 261 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: Not really how these things work. Yeah, it's tough, you know. 262 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: She initially said, Okay, we're going to do it on 263 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: June fifth, that's the anniversary of my father's death, and 264 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: we'll celebrate Father's Day throughout all the land. But eventually, 265 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: I think due to some some cross wires and planning 266 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: or scheduling, you know, local government, is do I have 267 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: this celebration? Got moved to the third Sunday in June. 268 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: So it's one of those confusing ones. I don't understand them. 269 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: One reason I'll never be able to tell you what day, 270 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 3: you know, any of those types of holidays are on, 271 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: because first of all, I'll never remember which Sunday in 272 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: June we're talking about, right, and second is the third 273 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: It's like I just don't remember things with numbers in 274 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: them typically anyway. 275 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Like and thinks like Thanksgiving is probably one of the 276 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: big examples of that in Easter two. 277 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: But Thanksgiving. 278 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm always like, well, I just I guess I need 279 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: to make sure I'm not doing anything for four Thursdays. 280 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: Because it's one of those on a Thursday. 281 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: I definitely if you look at my Google history, plenty 282 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: of what day is Thanksgiving this year, you know, try 283 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: to get that lockdown in advance. 284 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's true. 285 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: There was some cross wires, you know, local government being 286 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: what it is, third Sunday in June, as is often 287 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: the case with regional celebrations, the clergy back debts, and 288 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: that's also a part of what led it to kind 289 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: of take off. And the very first official Father's Day 290 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: was celebrated on June the nineteenth year of Our Lord, 291 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: nineteen hundred and ten. That was the month of the 292 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: birthday of Dodd's father. Close enough, close enough birth month. 293 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: And like we said, silent cal is a fan of 294 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: Father's Day in general. He supports this date. He supports 295 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: this observance. And fast forward nineteen sixty six, President London, 296 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: big Jumumbo, big Jumbo Johnson is Jumbo or Dumbo Jumbo 297 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: is definitely we did think about it, Yes, he said, Okay, 298 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: I'm issuing a presidential proclamation recognizing this as Father's Day. 299 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: It becomes a national holiday. In nineteen seventy two, when 300 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: President Richard Nixon tricky Dick and do great impressions of him, 301 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: he signed legislation saying the third Sunday of June is 302 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: gonna be Father's Day. That's according to the one story, 303 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: go Dick, he's tricky, he did that one thing. 304 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: That was kod. I guess I don't know. 305 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: We're not really taking a stance on Father's Day here, 306 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: by the way, that is not for us to decide. 307 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: No, No, that's that's that's for the. 308 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: Father's I would just say in general, holidays of this 309 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 3: ILK are are odd. 310 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: They're often I mean reformative. The creator of Mother's Day 311 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: was right. They become commodifications, they become cash grabs, you know. 312 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: But but the heart of it, again, it's a cool idea. 313 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: It's it's nice and as cool as Sonora's smart DoD 314 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: wasn't is she wasn't the first person to have this idea, right, 315 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: or wasn't the only person. 316 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: No, again, it's it's I'm not trying to again, not 317 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: trying to be a jerk. Here a poopoo anybody's idea, 318 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: But this isn't exactly the most creative, you know, unique 319 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: singular idea to ever be funk. It's just like, hey, 320 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: what if we had a day that celebrated father Yeah, 321 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: you call it Father's Day? 322 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: You a slot in anything, you know what I mean. 323 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's really all just about like who had 324 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: the gumption to really get it together and push for it. 325 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: That's really more what the story is rather than who 326 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: came up with the idea, because it's just as a father, 327 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: not particularly creative. So yes, to your point, of course, 328 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: there are several origin stories to Father's Day. We talked 329 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: about the Fairmont Father's Day celebration. We have three years 330 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: after the Fairmont event, a Chicago activist SJW by the 331 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: name of Jane Adams two D's requested of the local 332 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: legislature a city wide celebration or the very least recognition 333 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: of Father's Day. 334 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: But she was denied. 335 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: Dang, Chicago shut her down. Let's see, that's early nineteen hundred, 336 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: so she probably couldn't pay off the bribes. 337 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's like, well, yeah, I mean it's not, 338 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: is it, Tammany. No, that's a little earlier. It's Chicago 339 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: has been a hive of scum and villainy politically for 340 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: a long time. So maybe that she just didn't grease 341 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 3: the right palms or pay the veig. Yeah, that's a 342 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: I don't think that's a hot take of fortunately either. 343 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: We do know other people tried to create their own 344 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: versions of Father's Day. We'll get to I'll tell you, 345 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: we'll get to my personal favorite in a little bit. 346 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: But we also need to shout out Vancouver, Washington resident 347 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: JJ Behringer, who read something in a local newspaper and said, 348 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: all right, we're going to hold a Father's Day celebration 349 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: at my church, Irving Methodists, and we'll call it the 350 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: first Father's Day event. Not because he was a jerk, 351 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: it's because he did not know other people that had 352 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 3: this idea before he got to wonder too the religious 353 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: angle here with like some of these Methodist ministers sort 354 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 3: of spearheading this. You know, there's of course the Holy Trinity, 355 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: Father Will signed the Holy Ghosts and is a very 356 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: patriarchal kind of a canon. 357 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: Let's say. 358 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 3: You gotta wonder if that was part of why they 359 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: were like pushing for this. Yeah, Father's Day, it's got 360 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: a nice ring to it when did it become the 361 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 3: Holy Spirit instead of the holy good question. I'm sure 362 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: we could could ask doctor Internet that and it would 363 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: spit it right back. 364 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: Out our chat cheapt Maybe it would make something up. 365 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 3: That's been my latest interest in the whole chatbot thing 366 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: is it's just we talked about it on stuff that 367 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: I want you to do it. The idea of of 368 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: chatbots hallucinating things out of whole cloth. 369 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: I love it. 370 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: Of making up entire entirely fraudulent court cases. 371 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: Event yeah, exactly, and not not after being asked to 372 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: invent something or tell me a story. Like people are 373 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 3: using these of this tool to legitimately cheat at homework 374 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 3: or like you know, writing legal briefs, and it is 375 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 3: biting them in the butt because apparently old chatty as 376 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: you call them sometimes, is improvising. 377 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: Let's ask chat GPT to make holidays for us and 378 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: report back on it. 379 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: That'd be fun. 380 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: That'd be fun. Let's okay, here's the favorite one though. 381 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: Here's a favorite one, and I think you love this 382 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: one too. Because people couldn't communicate as easily as as 383 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: our research associate Jeff points out, they ran into problems 384 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: figuring out who was first to the postal Father's Day. Yeah. Right, 385 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: So in nineteen fifteen, this guy, uh, the ironically named 386 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Harry C. Meek says, I am the inventer of Father's Day. 387 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm making it up. It should be on my birthday. 388 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, neither neither Meek nor mild in the eyes 389 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: of the of the Father. Just the hutspah of it. 390 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: On my birthday. I mean, surely it wasn't a self 391 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: aggrandizing request. He just figured, you know, everybody's got that 392 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: same birthday, right, Like, you know, it's just he. 393 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: Pushed the Lions Club to acknowledge that he started Father's Day. 394 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, he spent and this was not just like a 395 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: one day, you know, like wild hair that he got, 396 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 3: Like he made this like a pursuit. You know, he 397 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: pushed this line for quite a few years. And again 398 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: that's what it takes. People that insist upon themselves, people 399 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: that just won't let things go. Those are the people 400 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: that history remembers the most pedantic ones among. 401 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: Us usually, yeah, quite often, you know, the people who 402 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: raised enough of a fuss. And as you said, there 403 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: was this backlash against Father's Day, and part of it, 404 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: this is a really interesting thing brought up in Almanac 405 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: dot com. So when you give a shout out to 406 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: Arelio C. Scott, who wrote this article, she points out, 407 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: know all that the idea of fatherhood fundamentally change. It's 408 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: not viewed as a like a feminine model with flowers, 409 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: but it's a day that celebrates this idea of dadness. 410 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: And a lot of my friends who are fathers, yourself included, 411 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: will say, well, my kids are being very sweet and 412 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: I love them, but how many socks do they think 413 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: I need? 414 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 3: Hi borderline resent being taken to brunch. That's a woman's meal. 415 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 3: I'm just joking. I am very much joking a brunch, 416 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 3: A big fan of brunch. But no, it's funny, right 417 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: because the fact that even has to be explained, or 418 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: it's it's it's inherently absurd, right, It's like, it doesn't 419 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: have to be. It's it's not the same, and and 420 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: and it's about the person. What if your dad likes flowers, right, 421 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: give the man flowers, Give the man. 422 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: What do you want? If your dad wants a spa day, 423 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: send him to a spa. 424 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: I will be the first one to admit I get 425 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: pretty regular pedicures and I love a good massage or 426 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: a spa day. 427 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: No, and it's it's very true. 428 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: But this idea of this feminine model, you know, this 429 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: this precursor you know in Mother's Day being problematic for 430 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 3: like or somehow challenging the masculinity of you know, fathers 431 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: is absurd to me. But you know, we got to 432 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: think about the time, right. 433 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, And I guess there were more of what 434 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: we're often called traditional gender roles, right there were. There 435 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: weren't as many women in the workplace. The modern role 436 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: of the father, you could argue, as does Aureliacy Scott, 437 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: has changed more of a partnership, which I think is 438 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: probably healthier for everybody. Sure, right now we're co parenting, 439 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now it's not just some 440 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: guy working nine to five or whatever coming home and saying, 441 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: where's dinner? Why does this kid have a seat? This 442 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: thing is dirty, I'm getting drunk and going to sleep. 443 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 3: So I think what we're saying, what this article is saying, 444 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: is that it evolved in a positive direction, yes, to 445 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 3: to look at mothers and fathers on more of an 446 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 3: equal playing field. So what I was railing against was 447 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: sort of the initial backlash of like, how dare you 448 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: celebrate me, you know, in the same way as you 449 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 3: would have a mere woman. 450 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: And that's that's so vawd. That's part of it because 451 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: we know people. Okay, I'm a little torn about this. 452 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: So the initial people objecting to Father's Day, we're doing 453 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about. They said, this is a 454 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: sentimental attempt to emasculate us almost with flowers and with giving. 455 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: Of gifts, which is crazy Mechagin, gifts are awesome inherently 456 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: I love free stuff. 457 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great, and it's also thoughtful gifts. That's that's 458 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: the key, right. 459 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: I Really I'm against kind of like holidays that require 460 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: some sort of like pat you know, the expected gifts 461 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: like flowers, you know, I mean, you know, flowers are cool, 462 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: and if you want to get somebody flowers, get them 463 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: something based on like a color you know they love, 464 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: or like a particular flower you know that makes them happy. 465 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: Don't just grab the nearest bouquet and shove it in 466 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: their face. I would typically. I mean, I just think 467 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: gift giving is such an opportunity to show somebody that 468 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 3: you think about them and that you're aware of aspects 469 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: of their personality. 470 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, I don't think you should have to 471 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: tie it to a holiday. No. I think the coolest 472 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: gifts are, you know, in the for no reason at all, 473 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: not because you're in trouble, not because someone decided it 474 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: should be an official day for something. Do something nice 475 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: for people you love. 476 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: I get my kid and my partner and friends' gifts 477 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 3: all the time, you know, just because, And honestly, for 478 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 3: holidays and stuff. I'm typically the guy that's stopping at 479 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: the grocery store on the way home to grab something 480 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: because I'm fulfilling that expectation, and I frankly kind of 481 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: resent that. 482 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: Then here's the valid here's the valid part of the 483 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: argument for people who had a backlash against Father's Day 484 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: that I think we both can agree with. They said, 485 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: we know about Mother's Day, it's a grift, and Father's 486 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: Days no different. These holidays are proliferating and they're all 487 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: just a gimmick to sell more stuff. And hey, we 488 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: the fathers are also paying for the Father's Days as 489 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: the sole breadwinners of our family. 490 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: Am I paying for flowers for myself? 491 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: They said, Uh, so, I get the I get the 492 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: anti capitalist part about it, The anti commodification. But yeah, 493 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: I think maybe people were a little insecure or a 494 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: little caught in their preconceptions about masculinity. 495 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: They were in their feelings. 496 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 3: They were in their feelings a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 497 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 3: but not in like a touchy feely. 498 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: Kind of way. 499 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: No, No, in a very emotionally damaged way. And I 500 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: didn't kind of think I caught this in the Mother's 501 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: Day episode. But this idea, I mean maybe maybe it 502 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 3: came up briefly specifically for Mother's Day, But in the 503 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: nineteen twenties and thirties, there was actually a movement to 504 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: get rid of both of these holidays entirely in favor 505 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: of combining them into a into one Parents' Day. 506 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: How that go that take off? I only I've heard 507 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: of Parents Day. 508 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: It's around in other countries. Maybe, yeah, you know, parents 509 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: are generally a good thing, So you're right, though it 510 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: did not encounter near the success of Father's Day, let 511 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: alone Mother's Day. It's strange to me that for a 512 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: while during that time period, during the twenties and thirties, 513 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: every year the Mother's Day occurred, these groups would protest it. 514 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: They would be pro Parents' Day groups, and they would 515 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: go to Central Park because they liked having problems, I. 516 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: Guess seems so. 517 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: I mean, the idea of there being a Parents Day activist, 518 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: this guy Robert Spear who said that both parents should 519 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: be loved and respected together, like at the same time, 520 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: I don't know about it. You know, it's I guess 521 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 3: that's sort of like a killing two birds with one 522 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 3: stone situation, you know, one holiday to rule them all. 523 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 4: But it feels like this guy just want to be 524 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: mad about something. 525 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: It's a little bit of what about. 526 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: As I completely agree and as we know that did 527 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: not take off, you know, because what about you know, 528 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: parents who are divorced. Yeah, maybe it's a good thing 529 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: that you can honor them separately. 530 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: You know. 531 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: I think maybe if there is a debate or a 532 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: question around it, is it is the gendered aspect of it. 533 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 534 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: Maybe, But how who cares? Here's what happened the Great Depression. 535 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons Father's Day is still a 536 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: big thing, because think about it, you're a business, you're 537 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: an ad company, and you have to somehow get out 538 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: of the red and into the black ink. So they 539 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: double down to try to make Father's Day what they 540 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: thought of as a second Christmas for dudes. 541 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, all these cliche ideas of gifts 542 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: are supposed to get your dad. Those hold true for 543 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: any gift giving opportunity. You know, socks in these days, pipes, 544 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 3: you know, like slippers, ties, ties, but then nobody really 545 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: even wants and that if you're gonna get it, you're 546 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: gonna get one for yourself because these are like things 547 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: that require you to have a little bit of awareness of, 548 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: like your own personal style. The joke around these gifts 549 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: is often people are giving you these things and you 550 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: will never wear them, right. 551 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: Right, Like, thank you for this shar truce and green 552 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: polka dotted ascot. I'll treasure it forever. 553 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 4: That sounds really nice, just being frank right here. I 554 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: really like if you guys got that for me, I 555 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: would appreciate it. 556 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh god, now we have to remember what I described. Okay, 557 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: shartruse and green polka dot. 558 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 4: I mean, Ben, It's not like we have a like, 559 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: you know, recorded version of you saying it or anything. 560 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, never mind, why are we even bothering 561 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: with long term memory? 562 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, who needs it? Yeah? Who needs it? Soon 563 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: we'll have implants that'll do it all for us. 564 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 4: Or we can just ask chat GPTMM, pair it. 565 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: With a nice voice mimicking software, and you know we're 566 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: we're relevant at that point. 567 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: Oh come on, maybe not irrelevant. 568 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: We still have to like talk at the bot to 569 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: train it to sound more like us. 570 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I mean, you know you're talking about 571 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: aims transforming over time, and that's what I happened over Father's. 572 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: Day saying no attention to the man behind the. 573 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 1: What do you think before we get to the end 574 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: of Father's Day? I think we'll still be around. 575 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: I doing some gallows humor here. I do think we'll 576 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: be right. 577 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: I mean me personally as a consumer of podcasts, and 578 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: it's of culture. Like if I found out that someone 579 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: had replaced my you know, Folger's crystals with Taster's choice 580 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 3: and didn't tell me, I'd be pretty pissed. 581 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would also be really suspect I'd be 582 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: I'd also be sad if I was listening to a 583 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: show that I was a fan of and I learned 584 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: that with like the darkest version of that is, a 585 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: legendary host passes away and then AI is used to 586 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: just keep making episodes of them after death. 587 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: People are kind of losing their their stuff over the 588 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 2: headline saying that Paul McCartney is it was it was 589 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: a date through his support by AI technology being used 590 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: to create a quote unquote final Beatles. So what if 591 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: you read below the headline, you really They actually just 592 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: used AI as a restoration tool to lift out a 593 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: vocal that John Lennon made as a demo while playing 594 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: the piano and singing on like a pretty low fire 595 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: recording setup. So they cleaned it up, separated it from 596 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: the piano, and allowed it to be used in a 597 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: multi track recording capacity. Is the song going to be 598 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: any good? 599 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, irrelevant, but they didn't like do a 600 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: Tupac hologram version John Ryan's voice, And I frankly think 601 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 3: most people who are actual fans of art and culture 602 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: won't stand for that. You know, I would like to 603 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: think that, I would like to I would like to 604 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: think that as well. And you know I mean full disclosure, folks. Yes, 605 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 3: this episode is entirely created and hosted by chat Chipet. 606 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: Yep, where were we gonna go with that? 607 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: Oh? 608 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: Well, segue did a segue? Okay? 609 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: So things changing Father's Day got tainted. People would say, 610 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: you know it, it became a money grab. 611 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: I think you set it up perfectly, this idea of 612 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: it being a second Christmas, you know, to buy a 613 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: lot of these, like frankly, you know, sharper image type objects, 614 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: you know, for dads that they probably don't even want, 615 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: and it's just obligatory kind of gift giving and that 616 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 3: suits the companies more than it does the dads, frankly. 617 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 3: And then once that becomes really really clear, it does 618 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: start to have a bit of a taint to it, 619 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: doesn't the Yeah, I mean. 620 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: Just just send your dad a text and say something 621 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: that you think is cool about him, and make sure 622 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: it's sincere. Don't You don't have to wait for a 623 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: specific day to do that, you know. And of course, 624 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: like all of these holidays, like we learn with Mother's Day, 625 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Father's Day is not just celebrated in the US, and 626 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: it's not just celebrated at the same time. People all 627 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: around the world celebrate something like Father's Day at different 628 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: periods in the year. Have you heard of this practice 629 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: of wearing a red rose if your father's alive and 630 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: a white one if he's dead. Not that seems frankly, invasive, 631 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: it does. 632 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 3: I mean, cool, let's have a conversation about our dead 633 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: dads as I was, I supposed to ask. 634 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 2: Me about my dead dad's you know what that would say? 635 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think they thought that one threw 636 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: all the way. 637 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just not aware of this as a custom. 638 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 3: But what about you know, maybe non traditional male role 639 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 3: models or or you know, frankly father figures, you know, like, 640 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: you know, my dear dear friend Harry, he's actually coming 641 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: to visit over Father's Day weekend. It occurred to me 642 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 3: like he's the closest thing I have to a father, 643 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna he's going to the same brunch that 644 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to. And it was just kind of a 645 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: happenstance that occurred that way. But I'm kind of glad 646 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: that it did, because I do think of him in 647 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: that same way. 648 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: Are you going to get him a card? Hell? No? 649 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: Are you going to get him a tie? No, he 650 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: doesn't aware a tie. I'll get him a hair tie. 651 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 2: What's the situation? Unclear? 652 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: But I am going to take him to brunch and 653 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 3: then host him my house and cook him a barbecue 654 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 3: and spend some good time with him. Because he's a 655 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: true friend and someone that I've always looked up to 656 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: in that way, you know, without an actual living father. 657 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 3: So that's that's an interesting role too, is like what 658 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 3: about the uncles, the uncles, the grandfathers, the families of 659 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 3: the world, you know, Yeah, they. 660 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: Also get honored on that day sometimes because you know you, 661 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: as you go through life, you do run into people 662 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: who fulfill some of those roles. 663 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: Right. 664 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: You may not be able to speak with your biological mother, 665 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: you may not be on the best terms with her, 666 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: but you might have a mother figure in your life. 667 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: And the same goes with parents, with siblings, with all 668 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: all the loved ones you can imagine, so they should 669 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: be celebrated as well. And I think that's I think 670 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. I think that's inclusive. I do 671 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: think it's interesting that there's a Father's Day thing tied 672 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: to Roman Catholicism. 673 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, celebrated in countries like Spain and Portugal, observed on 674 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 3: the feast of Saint Joseph. It's the central if the 675 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 3: patron saint of fathers, manly men. 676 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: We cut some off air time where we decided to 677 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: look up the Saint Saint Joseph why why is that 678 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: Father's Day? Saint Joseph the Worker is patron saint of 679 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: a couple of different things. They always are, right, Let's 680 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: see the patron saint of fathers nailed it? 681 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: Got it? 682 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: Uh? 683 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: He is also vibes you said, the worker? You know 684 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 2: he is also a work patron state of workers. 685 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: Anybody who's married, anybody who's been exiled. 686 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what's that? Last? Yeah? 687 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: All right, last one was a was a shyamalan for us? Uh, 688 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: the sick and the dying and patron saint of a 689 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: holy death? Wait? 690 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: What's holy death? You know that a spell? And like 691 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: elden ring? That really does sound like is. 692 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 4: That like dying with honor? If you're a cleon, I'm. 693 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,479 Speaker 1: You know, you guys are onto some great things here. 694 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: We'll have to learn more about it. I am not Catholic, 695 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a Christian, nor I don't know what to 696 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: say about it. 697 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 3: I do know what to say about the Taiwanese celebration 698 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: of Father's Day. Much like our pal who wanted it 699 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,959 Speaker 3: to be on his birthday, this celebration is in fact 700 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: on my actual birthday, August the eighth, fifth day of 701 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: the eighth month, which is a fun, you know, little 702 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 3: little thing with. 703 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: My birthday's eight, eight eighty three. Fun to stay out loud. 704 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, immediately saw this and thought of that guy 705 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 3: that like wanted to have Father's Day beyond his birthday. 706 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 2: I'm like, we are not the same. 707 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: It's not my idea, but like the cut of whom's 708 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 3: ever jib in Taiwan decided to hold it on that day. Well, 709 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: actually sounds like it was because the Mandarin Chinese word 710 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 3: for eight sounds like the word papa. Well, do you know, 711 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 3: you know, I know, you know a bit of Mandarin. 712 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know a little bit. 713 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 3: It's bash. Thanks Jatgypt, You're the best bah. And so 714 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 3: the eighth day, eighth month. 715 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: Got it? You said twice it becomes papa. 716 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh look here we have to 717 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: do it, noel Uh. It's our first time in uh 718 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: in the new studio. The Man, the myth, the legend, himself, 719 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: our resident rock star, Matt Frederick wearing he's wearing his 720 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: sunglasses inside. He's got a fresh haircut. Hey, Matt fresh, Matt, 721 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: you got something to say to the people. 722 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 2: Can even hear us high over? He's so cool? He's 723 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 2: so cool. Listen to that. Yeah, the swagger, the swagger 724 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: in that voice. We have to figure out a way 725 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: to get Matt back. 726 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 3: Well, obviously he's here. It's easier to accomplish. We can 727 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 3: just you know, invite him in. 728 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, do you want to come in? 729 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 3: Come in for the second episode. We're about to do 730 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 3: another one. He's like, no, I've got a battle. 731 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 2: I got He's gonna surf. 732 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: He's got a skate. I think he surf on a phone. Okay, okay, 733 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: that guy is too cool for school. Really, And like Taiwan, 734 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: Thailand has their own Father's Day and Thailand is tied 735 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: to the birthday of a former king whose name I'm 736 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: going to attempt and mess up. It's cool, let's both 737 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: try it. So boom. 738 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't boom ball sound like a Mario character, like, 739 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 3: you know, like the giant bomb guy with the crown 740 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 3: I forget his or it feels. 741 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: Like the big sport in like a children's sci fi 742 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: show We got to play? 743 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, dude. I discovered a new sports when I 744 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 3: was in Philly. There were these like weird curved tables 745 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 3: with a it's just like a ping pong table. But 746 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 3: they're curved and apparently you kick a ball on it 747 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 3: and bounce it. It's like ping pong or pickleball, but you 748 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 3: play it with your feet. And apparently it is from 749 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 3: from Spain or that's cool. And I've never seen these 750 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: tables anywhere. They look kind of like in your skate rams. 751 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 3: So anybody out there that knows what the hell this 752 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 3: thing is, let let us know. 753 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: And anyone who can help us with pronunciation of names 754 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: the tyroyal family, let us know, because I have to 755 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: learn that stuff. 756 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 2: I have to go. 757 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I told you I'm going to I 758 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: have to. I have to go to Thailand, have to 759 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: go to Tylober. 760 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That's rough. That's awesome, that's really exciting. 761 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 3: Godspeed, and yeah, just you know, surely there's a chat 762 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 3: GPT out that. 763 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: I could just uh, I could have like a little 764 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: thing around my neck. 765 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 2: It's just chat gpt. 766 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: Instead of like a slate with some chalk, you know, right, 767 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: But that day entirely, the December fifth day is always 768 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: Father's Day, and. 769 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: I like that December fifth. Leave it at that. 770 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't have even that third or fourth thing, you know. 771 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: That's that's too complicated. 772 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 3: Same with the Taiwanese deal. A boom remembered it easy. 773 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 3: Is also my birthday eighty eight also is good luck? 774 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 3: Hey cool, no wonder I've been coasting through life. I 775 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 3: think these many years four as bad. Okay, I said 776 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 3: it's visible by four. I know, but it's double Oh, 777 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 3: it's double four. So it's good. 778 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 2: You know. We might have to come back to their south, 779 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 2: we might have to workshop. We might want to leave 780 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 2: this one alone. We don't want to uncover any Pandora's 781 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 2: box type situ. 782 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we do want to wish everybody a halfy 783 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: belated Father's Day, A happy Father's Day to you know, 784 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: a happy Father's Day to your entire family. 785 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 2: Max, Max, your cat dad. I think you've described yourself as. 786 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 4: I am a cat dad. And also sometimes I feel 787 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 4: like I'm y'all's parent, y'all, like I'm more of a 788 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 4: parent's day than a Father's Day to y'all. But I 789 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 4: get that feeling a lot of times, especially when it's like, 790 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 4: you know, trying to find Noel and getting into the 791 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 4: right studio. 792 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 3: Somebody are always smacking me in the back of the 793 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 3: head and calling me a giant disappointment. 794 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 4: Yes, n let's hr is listening to this episode and. 795 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 2: Don't listen our show. Also, I'm older than you. 796 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 4: Bro, you both are older than me, but I'm still 797 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 4: your father, all right, you're. 798 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 2: You know what? 799 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: Big thanks to super producer Max Williams, Yeah aka Dad, Big, Big, 800 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: thanks to uh Big, Thanks to Alex Williams, who composed 801 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: the track. Big thanks to pal Matt who just uh 802 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: just has such infectious energy. 803 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 2: He does he does. 804 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 3: He is a walking plague of a human in the 805 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 3: positive sense, positive play, positivity play. Thanks to uh Chris 806 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 3: frosciontas here in spirit he's Jeff Coates, Jonathan Strickland. I 807 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 3: bet you we can get him here in person too. Yeah, 808 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 3: you can press to digitate him from one of these 809 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: nice you know and deployment of that word. 810 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 2: Into one of these mic positions. Yeah. 811 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: Also, I owe him an email, so that'll be good time. 812 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 2: Don't sleep on that, man, I gotta stop. I gotta 813 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 2: wake up. 814 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: I can't keep sleeping on responding to those emails, and 815 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: we can't keep sleeping on this new studio. No, this 816 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 1: has been such a fun time. I feel like we 817 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: portrayed ourselves a little because we're both all three of us. 818 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 2: Max to came in and saying, all right, this is 819 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 2: gonna be short. 820 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: When you know what I mean. We got and we got, 821 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: we condensed our research. We're gonna make it a punchy 822 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: thing about Father's Day and still punchy. 823 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 3: Uh not in the like lack of sleepway, but like 824 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 3: in the listen to these punchy characters have a good 825 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 3: time talking about stuff. 826 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 2: And so we liked that and I'm excited. 827 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 3: It sort of feels like we're opening a new chapter 828 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 3: of the show being here in person with each other and. 829 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: Out with you. We'll see you next time. 830 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: FOS. 831 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 832 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.