1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: As we await tonight the starting of a White House 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Press briefing from White House Press Secretary Kaylee mckinhey. This 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: is the headlines still reverberating all throughout Washington, d C. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: As Secretary of Transportation Elane Chowell has resigned. But we 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: begin with new sound on from President elect Joe Biden, 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: who briefed the nation earlier today. Let's take a listen 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: to what he had to say. Yesterday, in my view, 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: one of the darkest days in the history of our nation, 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: an unprecedented assault on our democracy. On Capitol Hill, Senator 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham has reversed his once praise for President Trump 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: into staunch criticism following the violence at the US capital yesterday. 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: He was speaking with reporters and we've got sound on 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: now how he assesses President Trump's legacy. It will be 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: a major part of his presidency. It was a self 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: inflicted wound. It was going too far when it comes 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: to accountability. The does that needs to understand that his 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: actions were the problem, not the solution. And the conversation 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: continued on Bloomberg's airwaves, where the president's now former chief 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: of staff mcmulvaney spoke to my colleague David Weston about 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: how much responsibility President Trump shows and should bear for 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: the events of yesterday. We've got sound on this series. 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: Certainly the people who did it are responses for their 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: own actions, But I think the President needs to do 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: some introspection as to whether or not what he did 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: yesterday contributed to it, what his family did, whether or 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: not that contributed to it. With what Don Jr. Said 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: about the Party contributed to it? Um, part of me 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: thinks that they don't think they have that real control 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: over people. Party thinks they actually do have that much 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: control over people. Jennie Zeno is an Iona College professor 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: and a Bloomberg Politics contributor. Rick Davis is a partner 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: at Stone Court Capital, former campaign manager for John McCain's 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight presidential campaign, and a Bloomberg Politics contributor. Rick, 34 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: I'll begin with you. We just heard from President Trump's 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: for mere chief of staff mc mulvaney right there, same 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: question to you. How much responsibility just President Trump bear 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: for what happened yesterday? Yeah, I think it's President Trump 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: and his entire family, as mulvaney mentioned, Uh, they don't 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: feel they have any accountability. Uh. They I disagree with 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: what he said that they don't think they can actually 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: influence anybody. These aren't just words shouted out in the dark. 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: These are the constant pattern of this family trying to 43 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: stoke up the president's base. The people who showed up 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: in the south lawn of the White House yesterday and 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: we're told to go to Capitol Hill and attack and 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: I and I would include Rudy Giuliani in that group. 47 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: These are the people who are closest to the president, 48 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: his family and his lawyer, and they they had a 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: concerted effort to whip up that crowd and sent him 50 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: up to the Capitol to do harm. Let me, let 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: me follow up here. And no one that I've spoken 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: to in my reporter's notebook in the past twenty four 53 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: hours and texting with sources, calling the sources and talking 54 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: to folks is excusing the mob that occurred yesterday and 55 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: the horror and that's the word for it, horror that 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: occurred yesterday in the nation's capital. There's also when I 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: talked to Republicans, this sense of everything has to change 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: and and and from and and you heard a little 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: bit of this in sentiment already Leader Chuck Schumer's critique 60 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: of the media on the Senate floor just a little 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: bit of this, but that there is this sense of 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: this is even bigger, as as massive as the Commander 63 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: in Chief moment, is that this is even bigger than that, 64 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: that this is a reckoning moment for American politics. Rick. 65 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: That doesn't give anyone a monopoly on how we got here. 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: That's right, and I think it is a moment of introspection. 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: A lot of people on on Wall Street in Washington 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: around the world are are looking into this and seeing 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: how they can make it better. I would say, though, 70 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: the outcome is not assured. Just because people like Lindsay Graham, 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, have now called the Emperor has no clothes, Uh, 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that anything is going to change. The 73 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: President got on the phone this morning, uh and talk 74 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: to the Winter meeting of the Republican National Committee that's 75 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: going on in Florida right now, and and and got 76 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: a standing ovation. Uh. These are the chairman and National 77 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: Committee people from each state that represents the Republican Party. 78 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: Now they've they've fashioned that into Trump's own image. Almost 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: every one of those people are you know, real Trump supporters. 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: And not what you would call establishment Republicans. But but 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: they didn't seem to think there was any problem. I mean, 82 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a very long 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: and difficult task of reconciling how we go forward in 84 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: our politics, how we go forward on the internet. These 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: are these are people who got whipped up through organizations 86 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: like the Proud Boys and Q and on UH with 87 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and and Facebook and and Instagram and others 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: have been culpable in that. And so I think there 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: are a lot of organizations looking inward right now and saying, 90 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: how do we improve you know, what we do to 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: ensure that this never happens again. Jennie's they know. I'm 92 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: reading from the New York Times report from Michael Schmidt 93 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: and Maggie Haberman quote. The discussions occurred in recent weeks, 94 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: and it was not clear whether he has brought it 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: up since he incited supporters to march on the Capitol, 96 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: where some stormed the site. But President Trump has suggested 97 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: to AIDS he wants to pardon himself in the final 98 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: days of his presidency, according to two people with knowledge 99 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: of the discussions, a move that would mark one of 100 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: the most extraordinary and untested uses of presidential power in 101 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: American history. Genie. One of the things that you do 102 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: so incredibly well, as our Bloomberg contributor, is to provide 103 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: a professorial, for lack of a better word, look at 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: the analysis of what that would mean from a constitutional perspective. 105 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: So putting on that cap for us for a second, 106 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: how unprecedented would that be? Uh, it's it's entirely unprecedented. 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: We've never seen an individual a president, if you will, 108 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: pardon themselves. And I am one of the people who 109 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: as I read this is article to section to clause 110 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: one for anybody who wants to read it. But as 111 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: you read it, the wording of it, if we are 112 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: to be originalists, for lack of a better term, is 113 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for 114 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: offenses against the United States. And the way I read 115 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: that is that is for people charged with offenses against 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: the United States. In other words, he has the power 117 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: to grant that to somebody else, not to himself. Now, 118 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: there are constitutional scholars and lawyers who disagree with that reading. 119 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: As far as I know, we've never had an opportunity 120 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: to hear the Supreme Court speak on that. So I 121 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: would suspect that if he goes down this road and 122 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: he grants himself a pardon, that may go to the 123 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: Supreme Court at some point and we will get a 124 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: reading from them, which could be very different than my own. 125 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: But I don't believe you can pardon yourself, And I 126 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: also think we need to watch for him pardoning other 127 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: people as well, particularly family members. Rick was just talking 128 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: about the fact that Don Jr, for instance, was speaking 129 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: to the crowd, and there's been before the attack on 130 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: the Capitol, and there's a bit a lot of discussion 131 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: as to what Don Jr. Said, and there's a school 132 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: of thought that he may have incited the people to 133 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: go to the capital and that may be a crime. 134 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: So if that is a crime, and the President tries 135 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: to pardon him or any other member of his family prospectively, 136 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: really before they've been charged with anything, there's also a 137 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: question as to whether you can pardon somebody before they've 138 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: been charged with an offense. So I think both of 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: those things are things we're gonna have to watch for. 140 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: And I read the piece you're talking about by Maggie 141 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: Haberman and her colleague, and I do think that this 142 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: is not a big surprise that we're hearing the President 143 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: talk about out this, and I would not be surprised 144 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: in the coming days if he attempts this. This isn't 145 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: an individual who is facing profound legal challenges and economic 146 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: challenges when he leaves office, and I think we should 147 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: understand that that has a huge part to do with 148 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: why he's done what he's done the last twenty fourty 149 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: eight hours. He has fundraised off of all of this 150 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: since the election. Much of that money is money he 151 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: could use not to challenge the election, but in other ways. 152 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: So I think all of those things come into play here. 153 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: Genie's inners with us. I own a college professor at 154 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Omberg politics contributor, as is Rick Davis, who is a 155 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: partner at Stone Corps Capital and the former campaign manager 156 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: for John McCain's two thousand and eight presidential campaign. Uh, 157 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: we're a cup or anticipating within this half hour that 158 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Kayleie mckinhey will be briefing reporters 159 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: from the White House, and we'll bring you those headlines 160 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: as we get them. But I do want to play 161 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: for you what the Democrats are suggesting happens on Capitol Hill. 162 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: Based upon my reporting, Republicans are not in agreement with this, 163 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: not even Senator Lindsey Graham. But we've got sound on 164 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: what Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi feels should be 165 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: done with regards to the events following yesterday. Take a 166 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: listen to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi talking about 167 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: the amendment. President has committed an unspeakable assault on our 168 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: nation and our people. I joined the Senate Democratic Leader 169 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: and calling on the Vice President to remove this president 170 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: by immediately invoking the amendment. If the Vice President a 171 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: cabinet do not act, the Congress may be prepared to 172 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: move forward with impeachment. Rick Davis, you know, Republicans in 173 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: the party right now are are skeptical that that would 174 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: be an effective way to move the country forward so 175 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: close to the inauguration? Are they right? I think they 176 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: are right. I think that the amendment was designed to 177 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: remove President United States in his incapacit city. Uh, it's 178 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: a little open question that you could use the amendment 179 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: if the President himself says that he won't leave. And 180 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: so it's really amazing that this week has has basically 181 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: been a master class in constitutional law for the American people, 182 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: and I think it's one of the most healthy things 183 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: that have come out of this entire sorted event is 184 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: that people have learned about how the electoral vote process works. 185 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: People are learning about what these other governors are on 186 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,119 Speaker 1: the president, and I think that's healthy for our democracy. 187 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: Let's leave it right there for now. Coming up next, 188 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: we're going to keep a careful lie on that White 189 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: House Press briefing and I check in with the bi 190 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: partisan group of lawmakers about fiscal stimulus hopes in the 191 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: President elect Biden's first one days. I'm Kevin se Really, 192 00:10:48,760 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. Sound on with Kevin 193 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. My name is Kevin CURRELLI I'm the 194 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. 195 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: All eyes on the White House Brady Briefing Room at 196 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: this hour, where White House Press Secretary Kaylee mcineaney has 197 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: just stepped to the podium to brief reporters, and she 198 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: says headlines crossing before my Bloomberg terminal quote. Mcineny says, 199 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: yesterday's violence was appalling. We will continue to carefully monitor 200 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: that briefing and bring you the headlines and the news 201 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: as it happens. I'm joined with Genie by Genie Zano, 202 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: Iona College professor and Bloomberg Politics contributor, and Rick Davis, 203 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: a partner at Stone Court Capital, former campaign manager for 204 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: John McCain's two thousand and eight presidential campaign, both of 205 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: whom are Bloomberg Politics UH contributors. I want to go 206 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: back to the reaction from the greater Washington, d C. 207 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: Area for and and and from the law enforcement community 208 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: within the last twenty four hours following the mob that 209 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: descended upon the United States Capitol. And we've got sound 210 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: on this reaction from Governor Larry Hogan, of Republican from Maryland, 211 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: a centrist Republican from Maryland, and he spoke, uh. He 212 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: he spoke with reporters earlier today and said that he 213 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: himself didn't have the authority to call the National Guard 214 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: into Washington, d C. Now that the federal government had 215 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: that power, but notably he said the president had that power. 216 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he said. Approximately an hour 217 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: and a half later, I got a call on my 218 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: cell phone from the Secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy, 219 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: who gave us the authority that we needed to be 220 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: able to move into the city. You hear that. And 221 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: and by the way, Governor Hogan's going to join me 222 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: tomorrow on the program. But Rick, you hear that comment 223 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: about how the Secretary of the Army is calling for 224 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: help from the Maryland governor, and it really puts into 225 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: perspective the intensity of what happened in downtown Washington, d C. Yesterday. Rick. Yeah, 226 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: it's really a stunning and shocking quote from the governor 227 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: of one of the tri state region in the national 228 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: capital area. And and it it was echoed today by 229 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: how Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the comments she made about 230 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: the lack of preparation and decision making around protecting the 231 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: capital and the members of Congress. You know, we always 232 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: watch all these shows about the continuity of government and 233 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: how much effort is put forth to create that kind 234 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: of protection around our office holders, and yesterday it just 235 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: looked like amateur hour. And so I think you will 236 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: see an entire investigation and lots of discussion about the region. 237 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: Are police forces, the military, the Capitol Hill police. Uh, 238 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: It's going to be quite an interesting discussion. And I 239 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: think a lot of people, and I would say me included, 240 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: UH want to have answers is to why the Capital 241 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: isn't better protected than it was yesterday? And Jeannie say, no, 242 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a conversation that that you and I had yesterday. 243 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: But will continue to ris point that the capital campus, 244 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: I would argue having the privilege of reporting in there 245 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: and and observing the proceedings and whatnot. It's a campus. 246 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: It's a large workplace. And I keep using that word 247 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: the workplace, because there are restaurant workers, there are janitorial staff, 248 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: there are parking officials, underground garages. It's really an intricate, 249 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: intricate uh system of underground private subway systems for example 250 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: UM and and House and Senate office buildings where I 251 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: always make the comparison these a elected officials are really 252 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: the CEOs of their own offices, and they have staffs 253 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: sometimes upwards of more than two dozen for the committees 254 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And so it's a large compounds and the 255 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: security of it yesterday, there are serious questions to be 256 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: raised for it, while also expressing the gratitude that I 257 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: can tell you reporters and staffers across the ideological spectrum 258 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: have for the Capitol Police Force. Genie. Yeah, And you know, 259 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: while this was going on, or just in the in 260 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: the the later hours, we had raised that question yesterday 261 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,239 Speaker 1: on the air, you know, post nine eleven in particular, 262 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: there has been a concerted effort to secure government government 263 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: buildings in Washington, d C. And of course across the country. 264 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: And as somebody who's gone to the Capitol numerous times 265 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: you have, I have, I was astounded that they got 266 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: in that easily, seemingly easily, particularly given the millions of 267 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: dollars spent on security. And you know, one ing I 268 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: think is particularly troubling, and I agree with you, we 269 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: owe a lot of debt of gratitude to the Capitol Police. 270 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: But you look at some of the pictures on TikTok 271 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: and elsewhere where you see security seeming to allow protesters 272 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: in the building, there were some taking pictures. Those kinds 273 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: of things are troubling, And they raised something we haven't 274 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: talked about yet, which was whether, in fact, if those 275 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: protesters had been members of Black Lives Matter, there would 276 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: have been a different response. That's one big question being 277 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: asked in Congress and elsewhere about their response to what 278 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: happened yesterday, and I think it's something that a commission 279 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: or committee is going to have to investigate and get 280 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: to the bottom of. And you know, we really have 281 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: to take that seriously. Whether issues of race played a 282 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: role in this at all. Um, that's one thing to investigate, 283 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: and another thing to to look at is why the 284 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: perimeter wasn't better protected. Why when there were forty two 285 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: fifty people in that demon's duration, were they prepared for? 286 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: Two is what we're hearing. So a lot of questions 287 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: to be asked about security and why we weren't better 288 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: prepared or the government wasn't better prepared for what happened. 289 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: Two things first and foremost, I can tell you I 290 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: spoke with staffers today who told me that they fully 291 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: anticipate that there will be congressional hearings on the security 292 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: element of this UH and and secondly that we're going 293 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: to ask those questions to our next guest coming up 294 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: in the next half hour, who are the chairman of 295 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: the Bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, Congressman Scotteimer, as well as 296 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 1: Congressman Read much more to get through keep it right here, 297 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sireli. This is Bloomberg I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief 298 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio and monitoring 299 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: the headlines from brief briefing from the White House Press 300 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: Secretary Kaylee mcininny within the last ten minutes, headlines crossing 301 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg terminal, and we've got sound on her a 302 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: portion of her estimated nineties second statement. Take a listen 303 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: to a key portion of it here she is. Let 304 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: me be clear, the violence we saw yesterday at our 305 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: nation's capital was appalling, reprehensible, and antithetical to the American wife. 306 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: We condemn it the President in this administration in the 307 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: strongest possible terms. It is unacceptable, and those that broke 308 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: the law should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of 309 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: the law. Joining me now are the co chairs are 310 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: the Problem Solvers Caucus. Josh Gottheimer, a Democrat representing New 311 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: Jersey's fifth congressional district, and Congressman Tom Reid of Republican 312 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: representing New York's twenty three congressional district. Thank you both 313 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: for being here. We're also joined by our contributors for Bloomberg, 314 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: Rick Davis of stone Court Capital and Jeanie's no un 315 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: Iona College political science professor Congressman Goudheimer, I'll start with you. 316 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: You just hear that statement from White House Practice Press 317 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: Secretary Kaylee mckinneiney. Do you believe that members of the 318 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: administration should be prosecuted for what happened yesterday? Well, I 319 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: find that a little incredulous to believe that they were 320 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: not encouraging, uh, the march and attack on the Capitol. 321 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: But listen, when I'm focused on is the fact that 322 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: after a very heart wrenching day for the country yesterday 323 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: and attempt to overturn the outcome of an election, and 324 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: they failed insurrection, we ended at three o'clock in the 325 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: morning by certifying the results of the election. There will 326 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: be a peaceful transfer of power as there has been 327 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: for two and thirty years. Uh. Tom Reid, who is 328 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: the Republican co chair of the Problem Solves Caucus Long Day, 329 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: we went to the floor of the House last night 330 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: and stood together and said, America must come first above 331 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: this partisan rancor. And I'm hoping that after all of 332 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: this is done, that we can unite as a country 333 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: and put this all behind us. Congressman read, I mean 334 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: to that point, where do you say to too skeptical 335 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: Americans who are saying, why will this time be any different? 336 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: As horrific as the images were and the actions were yesterday, 337 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: why should Americans have faith that this time it can 338 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: be different. Well, first of all, Kevin, thanks thanks for 339 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: having us on, and I can't be prouder to be 340 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: here with Josh to send this message and also to 341 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: demonstrate that it can be done, because like what we've 342 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: done in the Problem Servers Caucus, like right before the 343 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: horrific events of yesterday, you know, we work together to 344 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: get the COVID nineteen stimulus package done, and it was 345 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: our work working with our partners in the Senate to 346 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: get signed into law nine billion dollars worth of assistance 347 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: was so desperately needed now, So I would offer to 348 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: those folks the vision of what we've accomplished in the 349 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: Problem Solvers Caucus to say we know how to do it, 350 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: and we're fifty strong now in the existing Congress or 351 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: last Congress. We're going to be fifty plus stronger going 352 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: into this Congress. And I guess I gotta tell you 353 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: these are the members that are going to get it done. 354 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: And I can tell you when we went to the 355 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: floor last night, Josh and I, we were so disheartened, 356 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: we were so obsessed by what we saw. But after 357 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: we were done and we completed democracy and delivered for 358 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: the American people that we will have a transition of 359 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: power in a peaceful way and the mob was not 360 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: going to be successful, we offered, I think a vision 361 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: of hope. And I can tell you I've heard all 362 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: day today that people are so disheartened yesterday, but today 363 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: they woke up with a little bit more occuraged it, 364 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more hope that things are going to 365 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: be different because of what we in the Problem Service 366 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: Congress have done and have laid out as a vision 367 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: for how we're going to do it. Proud Republicans, proud 368 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: Democrats working together to get things done for the American people. 369 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: And Representative god Hammer, this is genius. An't know from 370 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: your neighboring state of New York, and I was, how 371 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: are you. I'm glad that you and and and obviously 372 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: a representative read from my home state, Um are are 373 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: both well and your staff after yesterday, but you had 374 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: just been saying, um in response to Kevin that you uh, 375 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's important that as Americans, we America comes 376 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: first and we overcome this partisan rancor. And I think 377 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: we all agree with that um and sentiment. And you know, 378 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: obviously the work you're doing with the Problem Solvers Caucus 379 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: is more needed than ever I would say today. But 380 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: my question is, I look at a lot of the 381 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: work that you're doing, are you going to be able 382 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: to achieve that in the absence of more structural reforms, 383 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: things like resolving jerrymandering and those kinds of issues. Um, 384 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: Can you come together when when we still, for instance, 385 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: have districts that are jerrymandered across this country, which feeds 386 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: into this sort of partisan rancor and and that that's 387 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: just one example of those types of structural issues we 388 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: see at play. It's a really good question, now, Li, 389 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: there's certainly many factors, uh, that have have contributed to 390 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: the division h that we we've seen our country, not 391 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: just over the last four years, but but beyond and 392 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: um uh and you add social media that and cable 393 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: news and obviously you have very constructive conversation here, but 394 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: usually things are living are are dictated by sound bites 395 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: and as a result, tell me about very little there's 396 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: very little reward for what you know, my really dear 397 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: friend Tom and I do every week, which is tril 398 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: to come together, come together with a group of fifty eight. 399 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Now we've actually were growing in this converse. We've added 400 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: more members the Problem Solvers Caucus UM, and what we're 401 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: focused on is actually solving problems and governing. And you 402 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: know who likes to talk about that these days, you know, 403 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: actually getting to be done. But I'll but as Tom 404 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: brought up before, we were able to working together with 405 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: our colleagues, not just in the House but in the Senate. 406 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: Democrats Republicans helped get a nine hundre billion dollar emergency 407 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: pan amical leaf packaged on and helped get that out 408 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: the door. It wouldn't have happened without our bipartisan bi 409 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: cameral work. And I'm hopeful that as we head into 410 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: a new Congress here with as you know, very narrowly 411 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: divided bodies you know, uh, four to five seats in 412 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: the House, tied in the Senate UM, it's gonna mean 413 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: that we're gonna have to work together up front of 414 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: these policies to get things done. But you know, despite 415 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday, which was obviously a fail of insurrection 416 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: and attempt to thwart a peaceful transition of power that 417 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: we always celebrate in our country. Um, despite that, we 418 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: now and with Tom and I were just talking about today, 419 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: we got to focus on the issues that were that 420 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: are affecting so many Americans. You know, the COVID continues 421 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: to ravage our country. Right, You've got an economy and 422 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: Jersey who got ten point two percent unemployment and community 423 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: is rebuilt. You've got issues like infrastructure that are that 424 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: need to be addressed. There's so many there's so many 425 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: issues we must come together and we're going to talk 426 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: about those issues that. Yeah, we're gonna talk about this 427 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: as she's coming up, I gotta go to ad break 428 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: real quick, but the congressman are going to stay with us. 429 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm much more coming up next in this interview. I'm 430 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: Kevin Sereli. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound 431 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: On with Kevin surrel on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin Sereli, 432 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio, 433 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: joined by the two Bloomberg political contributors, Rick Davis of 434 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: Stone Court Capital, former campaign manager to John McCain's two 435 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: thousand and eight presidential campaign. Professor Jeanie Zano of Iona College, 436 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: another Bloomberg political contributor. You know, I was thinking when 437 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: I talked to my dad earlier just about how we 438 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: used to watch Emerald Legassi, remember him. BAM. I gotta 439 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: pick up the Kents and the two guests that we 440 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: have on for our final block. Congressman Josh Gottheimer, a 441 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: Democrat representing New Jersey's fifth congressional district, and Tom Read, 442 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: a Republican representing New York Congressional district. They're the co 443 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: chairs of the Bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus. Bam. Congressman Godheimer, 444 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: I remember interviewing you, you probably don't even remember this 445 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: in the hallway outside of the Financial Services Room, and 446 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: you would always tell me you go so fast in 447 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: these interviews, and I thought, well, you guys can keep up. 448 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: You guys can keep up so quickly. I want to 449 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: get a one two from both of you. Are Centrists 450 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: emboldened in the new Congress. Congressman Godheimer, Yes, I mean 451 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: I believe, as I said earlier, the only way we're 452 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: going to get anything done in this new Congress is 453 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: if we work together, and that will come from Democrats 454 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: Republicans that tend to to be willing to gravitate towards 455 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: the middle, reasonable common sense solutions, Congressman, Reader, Centrists emboldened absolutely. 456 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: And also remember you know we are a group. When 457 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: we get consensus, we vote as a block. So when 458 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: you have fifty six members of Congress that are equally divided, 459 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: that will vote as a block, humoring members of Congress 460 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: to the floor united in an effort, you can influence 461 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: the process of Congress, and most importantly, you can influence 462 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: the policy. And people want things to get done. Yes 463 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: see see Rick Tavis. I find this fascinating hearing them 464 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: say that the Centrists are emboldened, because maybe this is 465 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: is this, Rick Davis, the biggest contrast from what we 466 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: saw back in two thousand and eight when we saw 467 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: the rise of the tea party, tea party, but no 468 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: centrist counter. No. I think this is a huge development. 469 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: And I think the changes in the Senate leadership is 470 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: going to also help the House. Uh, Centrists, because now 471 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: that platform that you two have created, Uh, Congressman Reading, 472 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: Congress and Gottli Timer are are going to receive very 473 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: top priorities when it gets to the United States Senate, 474 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: and people like your colleague Joe Mansion, Senator send Tris 475 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: Susan Collins, who worked together with all of you on 476 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: this latest COVID breakthrough the stimulus bill. They'll all be 477 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: much more powerful, uh than they were just a few 478 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: months ago. So I really have great expectations for a 479 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: lot of legislative activity that can help, especially this area 480 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: of COVID now. And that was my question, maybe Congressman 481 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: Read you can tackle this. Have there been conversations with 482 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: the Biden team about what that first package of COVID 483 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: relief is going to look like? Obviously you chipped away 484 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: at it a little bit before the end of the year, 485 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: but I got to assume that the markets are reacting 486 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: to more stimulus coming and and maybe you could give 487 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: us a little look inside of what that might be. Yeah, 488 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: we're obviously looking forward to developing that relationship with the 489 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: Biden administration and working with Joe Biden on our Advanced 490 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: Manufacturment bill that I do with Joe Kennedy years ago. Uh, 491 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: there's an existing relationship already there. And so when you 492 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: talk about COVID nineteen, we have to take on the 493 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: issue of liability reforms and state and local late and 494 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: we and the bipartisan Bicamra group that we did with 495 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: are not eight Senate partners that work with us in 496 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: this problem solvers caucus. You know, we laid the ground 497 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: where we have legislative text that moved the ball. Working 498 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: with folks in the caucus, we came to agreement and 499 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: bipartisan approval that we could do with Joe Manson and others, 500 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: and so I think that will form the framework of 501 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: the next package. On top of that, I think we're 502 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: gonna need some additional fiscal stimulus, and so I would 503 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: keep your eyes open on an infrastructure package, and the 504 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: Biden administration has indicated a willingness to take that on. 505 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: And shame on us in a Republican administration last cycle, 506 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: we probably should have led with infrastructure rather than taken 507 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: on healthcare. And I would encourage the Biden administration. There's 508 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: many of us in a Republican inside looking for a win, 509 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: and infrastructure is that common ground point policy issue that 510 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: can bring people together. Riacking Genie the other day, we're 511 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: educating me on the importance of the gang. So to speak, UH, 512 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: and of yesteryear in in the halls of Congress, and 513 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: as as we know and as I've reported on from 514 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: Congressman Goddheimer and from Congressman read economics is such a 515 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: crucial component uh of the problem Solvers caucus. But Congressman Gottheimer, 516 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: I gotta be candid here, what about national security? What 517 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: about US China relations? Are you able to form a 518 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: consensus around many of these issues that you both know 519 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: Congressman Gottheimer are actually pretty nonpartisan from a foreign policy standpoint, 520 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: especially with China. Well, you know on China last year, 521 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: we were very involved in Tom's always and means and 522 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: as a car problems Arms Caucus. We've dug into U 523 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: S M c A and the trade agreement. We've very 524 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: involved in US Israel and making sure there warn't any 525 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: new conditions put on aid. UH to that vital American ally, 526 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: UM So, Yes, expect us to get involved in nash 527 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: security issues when they arise. When when UH we've supported 528 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: the president on that's where he UH killed SALMANI for UH, 529 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: for Iranian actions, you know, supporting terror in the region. 530 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: So we've been involved over time, you know what matters 531 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: to us is building consensus, is finding solutions to challenges 532 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: where we can get of us agreeing and then working 533 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: together as a block to get things done, to governing 534 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: at to putting country first, and that that's been our 535 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: approach as a caucus um, instead of insisting on all 536 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: or nothing, which as you know, has led to obstructionism 537 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: and prevented progress on on so many things, whether it's 538 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: Tom was talking about infrastructure, or COVID or immigration reform, 539 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: you name it. There are many things I believe if 540 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: we worked together in a smart way, we can get 541 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: get done in representative read Did you see yesterday as 542 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,719 Speaker 1: a turning point of sorts? Do you have sort of 543 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: faith their belief that when you all are back now um, 544 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: that we are going to see Congress working together in 545 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: a different way. I mean, I guess to so many 546 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: of us on the outside, yesterday felt like something of 547 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: a turning point. But is that how it feels for 548 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: you on the inside. I truly do believe that. I 549 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: think there was a moment last night on the floor 550 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: of the House, and you saw it with the Senate 551 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: and many of us that went to our colleagues and 552 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: said enough enough of the political grand standing and as 553 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: I looked at my colleagues when we were voting on 554 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: the electors, I said, you know, I know many of 555 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: them and many of the senators I talked, They said, 556 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: what I have to do this for political purposes, but 557 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: after the events of yesterday, and as I asked them 558 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: to search their conscious and their soul, and I know 559 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: many of them did during that horrific day and sitting 560 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: in their offices watching this unfold first hand or on 561 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: the chamber ground on the chamber floor. They then came 562 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: to the floor and said, you know what, we need 563 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 1: to move on, close this down. No more political grand stating. 564 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: And what we're doing in the Problem Service Caucus inspires 565 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: so many members that came up to me last night saying, 566 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: we want to work with you and get things done. 567 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about, because we as numbers 568 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: of commerce are also human things. We went to Congress 569 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: and we want to get things done. We sacrificed so 570 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: much to be there. We're sticking tired of the political 571 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: grand standing, just like the American people are headlines crossing 572 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: the Blueberg terminal right now as as we're monitoring this. 573 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: Senator Kelly Leffler has conceded her race. In Georgia, she 574 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: has officially conceded to Rafael Warnock. Uh, no surprise there 575 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: as that race has been called. But still a major development. 576 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: And to adapt to the Congressman Read's point, Uh, Rick 577 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: Davis come in here, I mean, Uh, Senator Leffler was 578 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: one of the lawmakers last night who was going to 579 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: file the objection to one of the swing state and 580 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: ultimately said no. Yeah, it was pretty clear that she 581 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: had some election day pandering the week before the election 582 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: in Georgia, where she came out abruptly right before the 583 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: president came to Georgia for a campaign rally on her 584 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: behalf and endorsed this idea of protesting the electrical electoral 585 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: vote count. Uh. It wasn't a heartfelt commitment. I'm pretty 586 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: sure on her part. I think she was just gaming 587 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: the political system. And I think last night taught everybody 588 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: that we gotta quit gaming the system and starts standing 589 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: up on value. At that point, Congressman Gotthheimer what he what? 590 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: Rick Davis just said. My question to you, sir, is okay, well, 591 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: what about what rolled his big tech play and all 592 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: of this and and and and how are there more 593 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: regulations where there's a consensus in terms of what needs 594 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: to be done to for to guide some of that smoothly. 595 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: Well as you know, around tech in particular, there's there 596 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: are we've seen so much in the last year and 597 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: so much disagreement, and they've been involved in the elections. 598 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: There's talk about uh, you know, from from corners of 599 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: both parties about two thirty and more regulation on tech 600 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: um uh. And I think this is gonna be a 601 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: very big issue frankly in the first month of Congress. 602 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: That's talked about and you know what, there's antitrust questions 603 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: have swirled around and we'll see what the Justice Department 604 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: suggests on that front. But I think you're going to 605 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: see committees and the how the Senate address all these 606 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: issues on the tech front and a lot of questions 607 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: that want answers, and it's become a very populoust issue, 608 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: so you know, and I know tech is gonna want 609 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: more certainty uh and and that's been something that they've lacked. 610 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: So I expect that to be a major issue in 611 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: the coming months on many fronts. All Right, Congress and 612 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: some redfinal works of you sir, uh in terms of 613 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: where the path forward goes for the Republican Party. I mean, 614 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: it's do you think how much power does President Trump 615 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: have over the Republican Party. Well, I think we're gonna 616 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: stand on on our own and we're going to move 617 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: from the administration of President Trump into that next phase. 618 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: And I'll say it's being on ways and means. For example, 619 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna unleash the tax code and empower innovation and 620 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: create a competitive text. But the fight those that want 621 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: to burden our tax code coming into the Democratic um 622 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: majorities and say, you know what, don't settle America's come 623 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: you now, unleash it. This is the time to prosper 624 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: at the time to take as all right, My thanks 625 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: to both of you. There is there, You heard it 626 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: right there. Come back and talk about salt later on. 627 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: Congress and Josh Gotthheimer, Democrat from New Jersey's fifth congressional district, 628 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: and UH Congressman Tom Reid, a Republican from New York's 629 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: twenty congressional district. The co chairs have the Bipartisan Bipartisan 630 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: Problem Solvers Caucus. My thanks to the team Jeanie's I know, 631 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: as well as Rick Davis. I'm Kevin Silly tomorrow New 632 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: Jersey Governor Chris Christie and Maryland Governor Larry Hogan. This 633 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg.