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Speaker 1: in favor of that at all. And I think I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, and I think the big glaring reason why

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Speaker 1: is the West Coast Conference doesn't play football football exactly.

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Speaker 1: People were gonna be like, oh, well, oh he names

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Speaker 1: a woman, and then all of a sudden he's not

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Speaker 1: in favor of No, she don't know the West Coast

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Speaker 1: Conference does not play football if you don't have anything

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Speaker 1: to do with football, And well, well you just said

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Speaker 1: that about Fear. Fear has an expertise. We just said

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Speaker 1: bring him in as a secondary person to do the

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Speaker 1: other job if necessary. But he's got a specialty that

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Speaker 1: you need. You need eyeballs and you need football. Those

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Speaker 1: are two things that you need. So sorry, Gloria Navarre,

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Speaker 1: I can't even read the rest of the resume because yeah, uh,

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Speaker 1: next person, Jane Smith, Ohio State athletic director, like Ralph

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Speaker 1: brought up um and also Andrea Williams, the CEO of

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Speaker 1: the college football Playoffs. That one's very intriguing to me,

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00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: very intriguing. I don't mind that either. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: CEO of the college football playoffs. Oh, so she knows

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00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: the inner workings. She understands how it works, and she

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Speaker 1: may be able to design something to make sure that

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve is putting itself in an optimal place

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Speaker 1: to get back into the college football playoff year in

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Speaker 1: and year out. So and she was she was a

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Speaker 1: Big Sky commissioner for a couple of years. And people

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Speaker 1: might say like, oh, well, the Big Sky has football.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the w c C. But but it's

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Speaker 1: still really small. But yeah, but guess what it has football?

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Speaker 1: And what states is it in. It's in Washington, It's

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Speaker 1: in Oregon, it's in California, in I think southern Utah, right,

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Speaker 1: so in Utah University's Big Skuy, So it's in Utah,

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Speaker 1: it's in Arizona. It's in all of the states that

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Speaker 1: you're So she has already led a conference, uh that

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Speaker 1: exists in the states that the PAC twelve is in,

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Speaker 1: So she would be familiar with the area. And she

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Speaker 1: works on the football side of things now, which which

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Speaker 1: would go a long way into showing that football is

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Speaker 1: king right, and she working for a smaller conference, she

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Speaker 1: would also know that the best benefit for a smaller

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Speaker 1: conference is just to get in front of as many

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Speaker 1: eyeballs as possible. Okay, so out of those candidates, who

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Speaker 1: would you choose? For me? It would be it's a

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Speaker 1: coin flip between UM. I think it's a coin flip

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Speaker 1: between bringing in the head of the college football playoff

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Speaker 1: or Jane Smith. To me, that's the that's a coin flip.

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Speaker 1: I can't ignore the struggles that Greg Byrne left in

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Speaker 1: his wake at university where Arizona UM. That's a little

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Speaker 1: tough for me to stomach. Okay, me, I want I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go with exactly what I've said from the

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Speaker 1: big beginning. I'm gonna go with Andrea Williams as Pack

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Speaker 1: twelve commissioner right as you can call them, the president,

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Speaker 1: whatever the hell else that you want to call her,

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Speaker 1: because she has experience. She was a former athlete at

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Speaker 1: Texas A and M. She worked for She spent sixteen

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Speaker 1: years in a Big Ten, working for Jim Delaney, who

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Speaker 1: got it all going UM in the Big Ten and

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Speaker 1: that Lee and then but I'm but she's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be the sole person in charge. She's gonna be the

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Speaker 1: sole person in charge of of all the stuff in

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Speaker 1: the conference. But then I'm hiring a meet a person

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Speaker 1: to be their own separate job, and that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Randy Fair. So I'm hired for five million dollars. I'm

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Speaker 1: getting two people who are experts in what they do.

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Speaker 1: And I granted I read a book I remember by

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Speaker 1: by Ben Horowitz, forget the name of it. He's written

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Speaker 1: a bunch of books, and he talked about that there

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Speaker 1: are two types of CEOs. There are wartime CEOs and

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Speaker 1: peacetime CEOs. Most CEO's are not both type of people

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Speaker 1: that you have people like, um, what's at Apple's old

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Speaker 1: c CEO? Yeah, jobs, he said he was a wartime

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Speaker 1: CEO like that he was going to get it done

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Speaker 1: find ways when you only have one shot, like he

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Speaker 1: was a wartime CEO. And you also have people like

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Speaker 1: Phil Phil Knight who's been a war time I'm CEO,

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Speaker 1: but he's been good in peace time as well. Like

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Speaker 1: he's one of people who can do both. And that's

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Speaker 1: why sometimes you see people CEO step down from a board,

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Speaker 1: step down and then go back up depending on what's

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Speaker 1: happening in the company, Like they'll step down from being

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Speaker 1: CEO to being chairman of the board or something like

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Speaker 1: that and then go back up during certain times. So

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Speaker 1: there are a peace time in their wartime, and the

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve needs a wartime CEO. You have one shot,

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Speaker 1: like somebody who is going to be willing to no

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Speaker 1: no risk it, no biscuit, but it's going to be

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Speaker 1: calculated at the same time. Um, the next thing up,

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Speaker 1: this is a actually, well, let's let's finish on the

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Speaker 1: pack twell first and then we'll get on the the

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Speaker 1: other stuff. So this happened the Pack twelve network. They

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Speaker 1: put out a tweet. They put out a tweet when

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Speaker 1: uh McKinley right the fourth, When McKinley right the fourth,

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Speaker 1: here's the tweet that he is the only PAC twelve

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Speaker 1: hoops player ever with six hundred points and six hundred

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Speaker 1: rebounds and six hundred assists. And that did not sit

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Speaker 1: well with Kelly Graves, who is Oregon's women's basketball coach,

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Speaker 1: because they are because this lady right here Sabrina I

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Speaker 1: and ask did it and did it more? I mean,

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Speaker 1: her stats are absolutely stupid. One of the five greatest

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Speaker 1: women's basketball college basketball players of all time, and and

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Speaker 1: clearly I mean, like, I mean, who else you're gonna

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Speaker 1: put in front of her in college maybe like Cheryl

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Miller in the Pac twelve, but yeah, yeah, in

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, it's probably Yeah, women's basketball is fantastic

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Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve, but it it hasn't produced the

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Speaker 1: transcendent stars the way that Tennessee and you can have. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Sabrina I and ask you has been one of

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Speaker 1: those players, like she's even w n b A so

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Speaker 1: far and all that. So I look at this, So

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Speaker 1: what do you make of the oversight? Though Larry Scott

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Speaker 1: laid so many people off that I'm not sure that

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Speaker 1: the best of the best are doing that job right now.

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Speaker 1: As far as managing the PAC twelves socials, um, I

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Speaker 1: mean they they they acted everybody and so um I

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Speaker 1: look at stuff like that, and I say, if you

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Speaker 1: had a full office, if you're able to pay everybody's salaries,

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Speaker 1: you might have had somebody around to say like eight

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Speaker 1: on seven oh oh, or or people who are happy

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Speaker 1: and well paid at their job the way they're not

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Speaker 1: on indeed dot Com while they're also sending sending tweets

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Speaker 1: out too. That's part of I'm serious, that's part of

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00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: the reason how jobs aren't done as well, because people

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Speaker 1: are focusing on trying to get the next job while

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00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: they're doing that job, so instead of excelling at that job,

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00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: they're like, man, I don't know how long this is,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna last. I got one foot in the door,

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00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: one ft out the door, because you have made it

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00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: that way. But obviously there's like a very specific level

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Speaker 1: of effort going on there, because that's a that's a

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00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: that's quite a stat like you have to be planning

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Speaker 1: to be able to tweet that unless unless the University

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Speaker 1: of Colorado's s I d um had just emailed, So

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Speaker 1: maybe it's very possible, and there he's a really thorough

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Speaker 1: guy in their great sports department, but maybe it's possible

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Speaker 1: women not be counted. Of course women should be counted,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying it's possible at the s I d

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Speaker 1: for him from Colorado sending something over via email to

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Speaker 1: celebrate McKinley wright and then they just cut and paste

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Speaker 1: it in without paying any attention to it. Sabrina I

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00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: and ask you you could just include a picture of

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Speaker 1: her in every pack twelve tweet from here on out,

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Speaker 1: because it was you know, we've we've run into this

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Speaker 1: before of where like Oregon didn't have her jersey and

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00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: then it was like, yeah, but what what are they

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00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna do hakka women's basketball jersey? And then the moment

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Speaker 1: they did it sold out immediately. Um. She she should

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Speaker 1: be at the forefront of everything that Pack twelve does

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Speaker 1: at this point. You know she she is a transcendent athlete.

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Speaker 1: She's a star. Yeah, and she's relevant to Like if

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Speaker 1: you look at Vanessa Bryant's Twitter, how relevant she was

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Speaker 1: with she spoke at Kobe Bryant's funeral, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's Michael Jordan's shack. Vanessa um uh girl from ukon

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Speaker 1: um uh Tarassi. I mean, like the list was short, right,

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Speaker 1: Rob Polinka, Like, the list was extremely short, and she

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Speaker 1: was on that list. And it was during the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no, no, no no, it was during

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Speaker 1: the regular Pact well play. They had to fly her

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Speaker 1: on a private jet down the way they could get

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Speaker 1: back to the Bay Area so she could make the

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Speaker 1: game that night. So here. Uh. The number one reply

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Speaker 1: to that tweet was somebody uh at p camers on Twitter.

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00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: It just said the greatest to play the college game

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Speaker 1: and in their own conference. That's some serious ignorance. I

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00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: think that that that probably uh encapsulates everything that you

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Speaker 1: you're thinking there okay, and out onto the thing that

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Speaker 1: got me and Ralph in like a multi day fight,

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Speaker 1: and actually and and and rubbed him the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: Even at the beginning of this podcast, UM is Tyler

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00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: shug Or for Agon. Former Oregon quarterback is in the

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Speaker 1: transfer portal Portal. He's leaving the Ducks to go somewhere else,

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Speaker 1: and I have thought that, like I didn't want him

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Speaker 1: to leave. And it's funny because remember on the last

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Speaker 1: podcast Ralph said, I was like, I don't mind transferred

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Speaker 1: culture because we were talking about Jimmy Lake and he

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Speaker 1: was like, I don't I don't believe you, George, I

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00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: don't believe you. And then less than a week later,

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Speaker 1: we find ourselves in this situation where an Oregon player

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00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: is leaving. And what did I say to you, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: because you up because we've talked about the transfer culture thing.

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Speaker 1: What did I say about being in favor or not

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Speaker 1: in favor about transfer culture because I wanted the people

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Speaker 1: to know that I'm being consistent. Well, you said a lot,

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Speaker 1: so it's been hard for me to keep everything straight.

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Speaker 1: But I will give you credit in that when it

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Speaker 1: was announced, your immediate thought was to wish him the

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Speaker 1: best immediately, like you're you never didn't even flinch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like he he should have the right to leave if

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Speaker 1: he wants to leave. I don't want him to leave,

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Speaker 1: but he should have that. That's what I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: That's what I don't. So we're now, we're in the now.

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Speaker 1: Now instead of me thinking that I was wrong, I

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Speaker 1: think you're just in line number two. I think you were.

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Speaker 1: I'm in line number two, line number two. Also that

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Speaker 1: now I'm taking crews. Okay, come on, yes, yes. When

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Speaker 1: it comes to Tyler Schuck, Chuck, by the way, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Tyler Chuck, you are you are

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Speaker 1: currently the Ted cruise of the podcast. I don't I

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Speaker 1: think that you weren't all that broken up because you

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Speaker 1: you were. You were happy to say who's next. I

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Speaker 1: think you looked at his play last year and you said,

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Speaker 1: all right, this is this isn't good enough. I don't

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Speaker 1: see it getting any better. Let's see what else they got.

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Speaker 1: That is not what I thought. I promise you that's

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Speaker 1: not what I thought. So if you look at Tyler

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Speaker 1: shugs numbers, right, if if you look at his numbers,

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Speaker 1: his numbers, and I know that you probably have them memorized.

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Speaker 1: So I know you have them memorized, don't you know? Yes,

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Speaker 1: you do? You damn lie. Okay, so touchdowns five exceptions

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Speaker 1: like eighteen past and yard something like that, three ish

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Speaker 1: percent completion and a half. Yeah, exactly. For those not

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Speaker 1: watching on video, he just rattled it off. He didn't.

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Speaker 1: He didn't his his his arms are folded. He didn't

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Speaker 1: type on the computer or anything like. I normally can't

641
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Speaker 1: see his hands, but I tell you I could tell

642
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: that his arms are folded right now. So he knew this.

643
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: He had committed these numbers two memory and just knowing

644
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: a thing doesn't mean I went out of my way

645
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: to memorize it. Well, you've you've said it so many

646
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: times to so many people because you've defended him. And

647
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: you have to know that Ralph loves Arizona, each Arizona

648
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: kid besides uh uh Spencer Rattler like his own kid.

649
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: WHOA I like Spencer. I don't say you didn't like Spencer.

650
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: I said you love the rest of them like they're

651
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: your own kids. I just said you didn't like Spencer.

652
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: But come on, but but the but the way you

653
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: love Tyler Shug is not the way you love, Spencer Rattler,

654
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to love somebody to say their last

655
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: name correctly. What that's how you do I need to

656
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: pronounce Chuck Oregon Duck Chuck. Where is the pronouncing because

657
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to disrespect him in any way, like

658
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: this is not my intention, but I've not seen a

659
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: pronunciation guide for this chuck. Like his last name rhymes

660
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: with what you said at his last throw against Oregon State.

661
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: It sucks well that and yeah, so so look, here's

662
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: the Here's the truth is that I believe that Tyler

663
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Schuck had the did I say it wrong again? Now

664
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: you got it, you nailed it, that he should have

665
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: the right to transfer. I have no hard feelings, none

666
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: of that. But there is part of me that does

667
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: believe that he was afraid of competition on some or

668
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: let the competition bother him on some level. Because he

669
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: was named the starting quarterback, he started six games. Anthony Brown,

670
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: who they brought in as a grand transfer, did not

671
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: play one single solitary, meaningful snap until the PAC twelve

672
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: championship game, and then in the ball game. I do

673
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: believe that Mario Cristo Ball and the staff handled the

674
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: quarterback situation wrong. I think that the game got out

675
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: of hand with all the freaking fumbles. They were all

676
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: over the place. They didn't know what to do, and

677
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: they handled it poorly. So Tyler Shuck got embarrassed in

678
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: in Arizona, the first game that his parents got a

679
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: chance to see him playing person or his family friends

680
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: whoever got a chance to see him playing person all year.

681
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: I thought that that played a big part. And I

682
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: wish the kid the best, but he was coming into

683
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: spring ball, he was going to be taking the first

684
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: snap of spring ball. He was gonna get a chance

685
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: to win the job again, and he didn't want to

686
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: compete with it for what, for whatever reason, And so

687
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: I don't begrudge the kid, but I know, I mean,

688
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: but that's the truth. Yeah, uh yeah, I I know

689
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: that you don't begrudge him at all. And I know

690
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: that it's you know, making fun of it, But I

691
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: know you you never would under any circumstances or anything

692
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: like that. Um, I think that if you it's cliche.

693
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: But if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have a quarterback.

694
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: And I am not I don't have any feelings about

695
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: transfer culture, good or bad. Um. I think that at

696
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: the end of the day, sticking something out if you can,

697
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: if it's not objectively and practically a better decision. And

698
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: some sometimes people just are they they can stand to

699
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: take a risk, right because some of these transfers are

700
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: just risks and they're betting on themselves. But some of

701
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: them are practical. Some of them just make sense. You

702
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: look at a depth chart, you look at a system,

703
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: you look at a coach, you look at their scheme,

704
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: you look at its proximity, you look at the culture.

705
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot of kids committing to places in the

706
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: country that they've never even been to. Right now, they

707
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: might not necessarily be a literal culture fit. Not like

708
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: how coaches us culture as a weapon. They say, like

709
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: he didn't fit the culture. They're like, yeah, no, he

710
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: didn't agree with something I said, and so they left.

711
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the actual culture of a place.

712
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Some kids from California might not necessarily fit in in

713
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: Tuscaloosa the way that j Harris did. And so you know, it's, uh,

714
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: everything right now is is up in the air. Some

715
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: are practical summer risk. I don't really like the idea

716
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: of anybody transferring. If you can stick it out I

717
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: think that you you probably should and try to persevere um.

718
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it doesn't bother me.

719
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: You do you. It's your decision. I'm not gonna I'm

720
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: not gonna cry about it. But he would have probably

721
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: been the starter. You would have probably been the starter.

722
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: You're not wrong about that. But this thing that keeps

723
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: happening in college football of college coaches telling these kids

724
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: when they're in high school that they are the best

725
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: developers of talent in the country and that's why you

726
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: need to come out there, and then immediately letting their

727
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: insecurity show. When someone comes available on the grad transfer market,

728
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: then they recruit over their own recruits from the top down,

729
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: not going and getting someone better from high school, but

730
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: going someone who matured at a Penn State or matured

731
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: in an Ohio state and trying to get them to

732
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: come in over. And I think it just creates issues.

733
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Cal did it with Modster and Garber's and it's kind

734
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: of messy. And Monsters made another transfer. Arizona State did it,

735
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: and and it was the Garbers. One of my guys

736
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: won the battle. Yep, Garbers won the battle. Manny Wilkins

737
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: won the battle and So I'm saying, like the payoff,

738
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: you rock the boat, and I can't tell you whether

739
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: or not it made the incumbent players the younger players

740
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: better for having the competition. But I don't know that

741
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: Garbers was better. You can't say that Garbers was better.

742
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I can't say that Monster made him better. No, No,

743
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that Monster made him better. But that's

744
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Are you're you're taking a risk. Do

745
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: you think that Chase Garbers would be as good as

746
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: he is right now if they didn't bring in Devin

747
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Monster over the top of him to try to take

748
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: that job. That's my thing is you're not showing confidence

749
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: in the kids that you recruit. You create a situation,

750
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: and when you rock the boat when you're always going

751
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: out looking for a quarterback, no matter how good your

752
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: quarterback was. And now we have a weird situation at

753
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Washington State where Jaden deloe I had a fantastic freshman year.

754
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Everybody's paying attention to him, everybody's excited about Washington State football.

755
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: Then they go out and get Jared Guarantano, and then

756
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: immediately afterward, Jane Delora gets a d y. See that

757
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me, like that transfer doesn't make

758
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: sense to me. You already have an established quarterback, Like like,

759
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: that's where it doesn't make sense. So you're saying the

760
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: difference between Chuck, the difference between Chuck and Jane Delora

761
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: is Jane Delora played four games. Yeah, and and but

762
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: but what you saw in those four games? Would you

763
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: say that what you saw in those four games leads

764
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: you to believe that he's a starting quarterback and a

765
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: good one it will be in the Pactwell, yes, So

766
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: here's my question to you. If they had taken Anthony Brown,

767
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: if Oregon had taken Anthony Brown this offseason instead of

768
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: last off season, would I would I think that made sense? Yes? Yes,

769
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: I would think that made sense based upon what I

770
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: saw from Tyler Shook last year. Yes, So you're saying

771
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: Jaden Delora looked so much better than Tyler Schuck in

772
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty that bringing in Anthony Brown makes

773
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: more sense to you than bringing in Jared guarantm m hmm. Okay, okay, okay, okay,

774
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: hold up, hold on, hold up, you you just posed

775
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: it a different way, because, okay, from the outside looking in, right,

776
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: there were times after the first three games, Like there

777
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: were times where you would see Tyler Chuck play and

778
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: you were like, whoa, what is that throw like? And

779
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: he looked like he lacked the contact courage at times,

780
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: like he's got the physical ability, like there's no question

781
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: whether the dude can make all the throws, do all

782
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: the mechanics that you need of a quarterback. But whenever

783
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: he was going to be touched by the defense and

784
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: had to complete a pass, passed, was airmailed or something something,

785
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: it just was not landing where it was supposed to land.

786
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: So and that those things can be be fixed, but

787
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: it were it was time, especially in the Pac twelth Championship.

788
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: In the game before that too, Oregon literally could not

789
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: throw the football because he had lost all confidence. So

790
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether Tyler could get that confidence back

791
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: at Oregon. Maybe he needs to press the entire reset button.

792
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: But he was but his confidence was on zero towards

793
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: the at the very end of the well, not not

794
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: not not zero, that's a little bit of hyperfectly, but

795
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: it was significantly shaken, like it was or lower of

796
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: where it needed to to be. Because he did complete

797
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: some passes in the ball game, he was seven for

798
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: eight before he got taken off the field for two quarters.

799
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: And and the other thing that people miss and they're

800
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: watching film and they're looking at stats sometimes is that

801
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: they don't like they don't see all the opportunity costs,

802
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, Like the times where a quarterback

803
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: makes a decision that ends up in a completion but

804
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: it should have been a touchdown. Do you like that?

805
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: The that where you made a decision that didn't turn

806
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: out bad, but it wasn't the optimal decision. And at

807
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, you have to make optimal decisions, not

808
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: at a rate, but you have to make them at

809
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: a very high clip for a team to be a

810
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: national championship caliber team, which Oregon is trying to be.

811
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: So if they are, I mean like, if you look

812
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: at Oregon's linebackers right now, right they got um uh Noah,

813
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Noah's tool who just took an older guy spot as

814
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: a true freshman. You have um slave My mat uh Mata,

815
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: however you say, say his name. And then they got

816
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: another linebacker spot who's gonna be taken probably by Justin Flow.

817
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: And they're still trying to bring in Henry to to

818
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: Oh like they are trying for competition at every single spot,

819
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense at every spot except

820
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: for two positions, quarterback and kicker, because of the because

821
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: of the uniqueness of those positions. Competition is one thing.

822
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: Trying to recruit over somebody from above is another. And

823
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: I hate it every time it happens. Who was I

824
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: rooting for to start at Utah this year? Uh, Jake Bentley? No?

825
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, the yeah yeah, camera, like every And

826
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter when it happened to

827
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: Manny Will, when it happened to Chase Carber's uh not

828
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: right now, when it's when it happened to Shuck and

829
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: right now when it's happening up at Washington State, and

830
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: in the case of rising in Bentley, I'm always going

831
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 1: to root for the kid who stayed or went there

832
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: or made the decision out of high school. Um, you know.

833
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: And and it's the thing is it's gonna happen where

834
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: Chuck probably goes somewhere where there's somebody younger that's been there,

835
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: and then he's going to be in the Anthony Brown

836
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: situation at three years left though is that a one? Right?

837
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: But so here, here's my thing. Is that I think

838
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: it was okay for Tyler Shuck to to believe that

839
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna trust him and he might be facing

840
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: more of the same. And I believe that for two reasons,

841
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: because they called for a guy that you're saying is

842
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: contact of verse. They called fifty plus design runs for

843
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: him in six games, so he was taking hits, right,

844
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: But then when it came time to run that goal

845
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: line offense when things are at their most important in

846
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: the last couple of games, in very important football games,

847
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: who was the guy Anthony Brown in the PAC twelth

848
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: championship and in the right So you're calling design runs.

849
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: You're calling design runs when you're at your own thirty

850
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: and you're and you and I had a million conversations

851
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: about how I didn't necessarily think that was the best

852
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: use of Chuck. And then you're saying that he was

853
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: even in later situations than than he was. Yeah, he

854
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: did he he I think I think he I think

855
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: he did his best. It was like they ran a

856
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: kind of an offense like that with Brock Osweiler at

857
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Arizona State with noelma Zoni back in the day, and

858
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: you see a six eight guy taking off on these runs.

859
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: And while he could do it, it doesn't necessarily mean

860
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: that you want him to always be doing it. But

861
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: then you're saying that he also did he even't like

862
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: taking taking contact all that much when he would drop back,

863
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: and so that should show you that maybe he wasn't

864
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: necessarily the best fit they had. They had done the

865
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: pactweal Championship and the old game where they're bringing to

866
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown in situations that really matter. They left you

867
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: on the bench for a couple of quarters in the

868
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: bowl game. And then you and I both know that

869
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: in a situation where you're not going to be the

870
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: guy or have a chance to be the guy, a

871
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: coaching staff will usually be honest with you. And when

872
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown opted to come back for another year, because

873
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: technically he should be done, when he opted to come

874
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: back for another year, Oregon's coaching staff could have told him, hey,

875
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: you're not going to be the guy here. But not

876
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: only did he decide to come back for a super

877
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: senior year as allowed by the n C double A,

878
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: he decided that Oregon was going to be that place.

879
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: And you could say because he's he's more about competition

880
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: than Tyler Shuck is well, I'm gonna say that he understands,

881
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: he probably has the inside track and coach has probably

882
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: told him, you have a you have a home here.

883
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: He only has one year to make they're going to

884
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're going to make the same

885
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: mistake and go and do that at in like having

886
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks. But here's the truth, Ed Tyler Shuck played better,

887
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: this wouldn't even be a competition. He started six straight games,

888
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: six straight games like there there would be no competition

889
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: if he eliminated the competition. All right, Um, next thing

890
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: up is recruiting, because recruiting has been a a crucial

891
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: topic because it's the lifeblood of every program. It is

892
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: um like, that's how you make um like, that's how

893
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: you get better, Like coaching matters. But we've gone over

894
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: how the stars work and how five stars are more

895
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: likely to be drafted, make the Hall of Fame every

896
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: single thing versus um versus three and two stars and

897
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: all that. So facts facts or facts you and argue

898
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: about that, go talk to your pastor or somebody. It's

899
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: also a reflection of relevance, so not not just an

900
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: indication of future success, but if kids are committing to

901
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: you now that are big time recruits. Then then it

902
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: shows that you got some juice and that's important. Yep,

903
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: um the okay. So when we talk about classes, right,

904
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: there have been like there are some schools in the

905
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: PAC twelve that took very small classes like Arizona State.

906
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: How many commits they have like thirteen and then give

907
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: you a few transfers. And then you had um Washington

908
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: take fourteen or fifteen or sixteen something like that and

909
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: then have a few transfers as well. The maximum will

910
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: allowable is twenty five scholarships. However, that has not been

911
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: the case for some of these schools like you have

912
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: Alabama who signed twenty seven this year plus they have

913
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: uh they say that they have room for j t

914
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: to him allow and for Henry toll To that would

915
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: be like that doesn't even make sense to when when

916
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: people sit down and look at it on it's on

917
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: its face. So what it is is from everything that

918
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: I've understand that there is a special rule that in

919
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: the n C double A about whether you were a

920
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: non recruited athlete or a recruited athlete. Not recruited athlete

921
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: means that you either weren't uh didn't have it on

922
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: campus visit um or like they're there are or the

923
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: coach didn't actually meet with you at your school. Like

924
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: there are a few exceptions in this, right, and if

925
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: you're not one of those kids, then you can actually

926
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: be used as a blue shirt, which means that you

927
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: essentially come on as a walk on, right kind of

928
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: you can like practice with the team, but your scholarship

929
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: doesn't kick in until the next year. Yeah, yeah, until

930
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: the next year or in some cases, yeah, yeah, you're

931
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: you're backdated and it kicks in. I think it can

932
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: even kick in second semester, but you count towards the

933
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: following year's class that way. Yeah, and they continue to

934
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: do that as it works. So the fact that they

935
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: may be able to bring in twenty nine. I don't

936
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: begrudge Alabama for doing this. Do you know who I've

937
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: been grudge for it? Two the pack twelve teams for

938
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: not doing it, Like anybody, if this is within the rules.

939
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm a person that believes follow the rules to a

940
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: t like if if if we're gonna have exceptions, I'm

941
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna follow the rules to to the letter of the law.

942
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Like that's why I don't have problems with people lining

943
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: up and unbalanced UH formations, substitute numbers, all of that stuff.

944
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: Like aside from when Lane Kiffing like put one of

945
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: his best players in a different number and he's just like,

946
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: come on, come on, bro, like like that's just weak.

947
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about like you play within the rules,

948
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: right then you do play with honor and integrity, because

949
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: I've been watching Cobra Kai honor not just showing no mercy.

950
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: You must play with honor. So but at the same time,

951
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: you should follow the letter of the law, especially when

952
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: it comes to recruiting, to get the most bodies on

953
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: possible on campus as possible. But the but it does

954
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: take Alabama being Alabama too to be able to sell

955
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: these kids on that this is the best way for

956
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: them to get on campus and possibly play at Alabama

957
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: rather than going to traditional route. Right. And I think

958
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: one of the one of the interesting things about blue

959
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: shirting is it's you can't have taken an official so

960
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: a s U blue shirted their only recruit from the

961
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: state of Arizona last year, Will Schaefer, a linebacker. I

962
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: know that USC has blue shirted a few offensive linemen.

963
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: Um in in the in the previous few years, so

964
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: I think it's it exists in practice, but it's not

965
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: as regularly used, and now teams are a little bit

966
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: more gun shy about coming up against the number, much

967
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: less going over it because they want to be as

968
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: open as possible to the transfer market, which has been

969
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: extra volatile since the introduction of the portal, And then

970
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: when you factor in the pandemic um it has basically

971
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: created a situation in which there are probably three four

972
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: D college football players this year that should have a home,

973
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: should be playing, but are gonna be kept off of

974
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: rosters completely because the portals over full and the the

975
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: actual kap limit on who you can take and how

976
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: hasn't been shifted um with consideration to everything that's gone

977
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: on the last couple of years. See, but they I

978
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: think they have to shift it because it's creating a

979
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: bad situation for high school kids. Even because there were

980
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: four hundred less UH scholarships offered to well, there were

981
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: four hundred less signees. So in twenty nineteen, I'm sorry,

982
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen and there were about twenty hundred kids who

983
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: received scholarships coming out of high school. This year, that

984
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: number failed down like hundred, so over four hundred less

985
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: than the previous two years. And I look at that

986
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: as a problem because that's less kids that are getting

987
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: an opportunity who would normally get college scholarships. And I

988
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: see that as a problem. And the s C double

989
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: A is going to have to fix how they count transfers,

990
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: particularly that there are so many kids in the transfer

991
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: portal and they're allowing one time too, and they're going

992
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: to allow one time transfers like that. They have to

993
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: fix that that problem there. Yeah, I think with the

994
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: volatility of the amount of churn that most programs are having,

995
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: these are the very specific changes that I would like

996
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: to see. I'd like to see twenty seven available scholarships

997
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: for each class, so I would like to see two more,

998
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: and I would like them to be designated to a

999
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: certain amount of people who you can get from the

1000
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: preps ranks and a certain amount that you can get

1001
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: from the transfer market. Right, So this is what I'd

1002
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: like to see. I'd like to see the classes bumped to.

1003
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that twenty of them half to

1004
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: come from the high school ranks. No matter what, that

1005
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: twenty of them have to be from the from the

1006
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: prep ranks, and then five of them. Up to five

1007
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: of them can be from the transfer portal, so you

1008
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: can take up to five transfers the other two. And

1009
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: I've been saying this for a long time, and I've

1010
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: never really gotten anybody to buy in on the idea,

1011
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: but I believe that two of your scholarships should always

1012
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: be allotted to juco players because some people just don't

1013
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: have their ship together when they come out of high school,

1014
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: and some people aren't fully developed yet as a prospect

1015
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: who they're going to be until they hit the juco level.

1016
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I've seen that's been

1017
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: driving me nuts over the last few years is juco

1018
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: football is completely being stomped out all across the country.

1019
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: And so if the n C Double A, it could

1020
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: actually invest in trying to keep junior college football a

1021
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: legitimate thing throughout the United States, in California and Arizona

1022
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: where it's been completely canceled. In Kansas where it's at

1023
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: risk of of having some of the same things happened

1024
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: to them, like the n C Double A can invest

1025
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: in keeping JUCO going. More people playing football, more options

1026
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: for bouncebacks, and more more destinations and everything like that.

1027
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: But they haven't done that, and I think we might

1028
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: see JUKO football go away altogether, which means you're gonna

1029
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: have a lot of people miss out on opportunities to

1030
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: play college football at all. Um. Yeah, yeah, that would

1031
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: absolutely be terrible. Um. Next thing up is, uh, Marcel

1032
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: Yates leaves Cow as the dB coach and goes to

1033
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: Oregon UM and they essentially traded you know, uh dB coaches.

1034
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: He's been a pretty good recruiter. I texted UM, a

1035
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: guy that I respect a lot, asked him about Marcela Yates.

1036
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: He was like, no, he's a good coach and a

1037
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: good recruiter. So what do you make of all this

1038
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: coach switch swift swapping all of this between Cal and

1039
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: Washington and what's been happening at other schools in the

1040
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: pact world between oh the other between like Arizona State

1041
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: and USC who have been trying to swap coaches over

1042
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: the last couple of years and fighting and giving raises

1043
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: and promotions and all of that. Well, I mean it's

1044
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of cool because that's something that that's something that

1045
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: really gets juices flowing in the in the SEC right,

1046
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: is if like, wow, how could somebody steal a position, coach,

1047
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, could did someone really not have the loyalty

1048
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: to stay at Auburn, they'd really flipped to Alabama? Like

1049
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: those conversations. People love that, and that's a big part

1050
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: of SEC culture and a big part of a lot

1051
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: of other conferences is sort of the gamesmanship of trying

1052
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: to build your staff in that way and and the

1053
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: drama that it brings in the addition storyline and people

1054
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: get to talk about stuff even more. I've never really

1055
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: been all that into the coaching carousel. Um. I think

1056
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: it's the least interesting thing about college football. But for

1057
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: some people it's the most interesting thing because it's actually

1058
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: the most relatable thing to their daily life. Is people

1059
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: switching jobs and climbing the ladder. It's they can relate

1060
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: a lot of basic fans can relate to that part

1061
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: of it a lot more than they can relate to

1062
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: somebody laying out for a for a pass in the

1063
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: back of the end zone after running a forty and

1064
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: in four two. Right, That's not something you're average fan

1065
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: can can identify with, but they can identify with the

1066
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: idea of trying to really make it in the game

1067
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: of coaching. In the rat race of coaching. Um, so

1068
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think the more of that

1069
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: that happens in the Pack twelve I probably shows a

1070
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: level of instability, but it creates these storylines and it

1071
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: creates this drama that keeps the conference interesting as long

1072
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: as it's not coaches continually leaving the Pack twelve to

1073
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: go to another conference like we just saw with Washington's

1074
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: defend a coordinator. Absolutely, dude, Um all right, we got okay. So,

1075
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: and when we were talking about recruiting class eyes, I

1076
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: missed one particular thing because you know on seven and Rivals,

1077
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 1: they all have the crystal balls for predictions of kids

1078
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: and all of this, and you have been much maligned

1079
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: by Arizona State fans about recruiting and where you are

1080
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: on their recruiting and the state of Arizona and all

1081
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: of that stuff. They wanted to kick you in the

1082
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: balls a lot because you have been You are in

1083
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: agreement with this statement. I believe that you should recruit

1084
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: your own state, like the best kids in your state

1085
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: should want to go to your school because it's more

1086
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: likely because kids are reagion overall. Obviously, there are some

1087
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: kids who will leave the region. But kids are regionally

1088
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: base for the most part, like they want to stay

1089
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: closer to home in general. All of that, and Arizona

1090
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: schools do a very poor job of recruiting Arizona kids

1091
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: and more of them are becoming top level recruits and

1092
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: they are absolutely spacing on them. Okay, so let me

1093
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: let me the nine hundred time, let me try to

1094
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: outline what my view on this is. You should get

1095
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: the best players available. That's thing number one. Should get

1096
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: the best players available. That's what's gonna help you win.

1097
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: The reason that the same teams are relevant every single

1098
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: year at the top of the rankings are competing for

1099
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: the college Football Playoff is that they get the best

1100
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: players available. Period. Thing number two. Your regional footprint matters.

1101
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: You have an advantage. It would be like me, UM,

1102
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: because my how is close to one of the better

1103
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: elementary schools, that my kids should have the advantage by

1104
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: going to those schools. Of of having every advantage in

1105
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: their education, right, you take advantage of what's near to you.

1106
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: Um And and for a lot of kids, proximity and

1107
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: regional familiarity actually does factor into their recruiting hometown pride,

1108
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: all of that. That's why most schools in America, especially

1109
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: most taxpayer funded institutions, are primarily constructed of people within

1110
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: a reasonable regional footprint, usually a tank of gas. Right,

1111
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: if you get Fresno State, you're gonna have a bunch

1112
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: of Central California kids. Right, if you get USC or

1113
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: U c l A, there's gonna be a lot of

1114
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: kids from SoCal and the Inland Empire. Um, in Colorado,

1115
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have a lot of kids from

1116
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: the Mountain plains area. But because the talent base isn't

1117
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: so big there, they have to go outside of that

1118
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: to other places. But Colorado is never going to be

1119
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: able to compete with schools in Texas and schools in

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01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: California for kids who are crave their hometown. Um, it's

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01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: just regional recruiting is important so as the talent in

1122
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: Arizona grows and it continues to every single year. Back

1123
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: when I played high school football in Arizona, we had

1124
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: about one or two guys for every class that were good.

1125
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: When I was a sophomore in high schoolhen I was

1126
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: a freshman in high school, it was Bobbyweade. When I

1127
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: was a sophomore in high school, it was Richie Incognito

1128
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: when I was uh, and then you had Terrell sugs

1129
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: who I played with. And then you know, when I

1130
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: was a senior in high school, we had like, uh,

1131
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: Nick Johnson, I think Ryan Fitzpatrick was out there. There's

1132
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: a couple of guys, right, And even then Ryan Fitzpatrick

1133
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: went to went to Harvard, didn't go to a big,

1134
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: big school or anything like that. Now there are ten

1135
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: D one quarterbacks every single year and like thirty Power

1136
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: five level kids. So Arizona State used to do a

1137
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: really good job of getting and competing for some of

1138
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: the top level guys. You're you're Todd Heaps and stuff

1139
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: like that, but it fell off over time and a

1140
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: lot of it can be drawn to UM. You know,

1141
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: as Arizona's population grows, you as seeing some of the

1142
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: kids are going to be transplants, and in fact a

1143
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: lot are, and so they might not necessarily have the

1144
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: regional alliances of somebody who was a third fourth generation Arizona.

1145
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: So you have that excuse built in, and a lot

1146
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: of the coaches that you hire are going to be

1147
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: from out of state. They're not gonna have any ties

1148
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: to Arizona either, UM, and so you bring in coaches

1149
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,879
Speaker 1: from out of state who don't necessarily have a regional affinity.

1150
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: You have kids being raised up in Arizona who don't

1151
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: necessarily have a regional affinity. It makes recruiting harder. So

1152
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: the excuses, Bill Ti. The thing that I always get

1153
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: in trouble for is people think that I am saying

1154
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: Arizona States not trying hard enough, and what they say, Okay,

1155
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: but that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm

1156
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: even trying to say. I am saying that over the

1157
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: last ten years, when Arizona State tries they're not very

1158
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: good at it, that they need to try harder. That's

1159
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: what you're saying. No, I'm saying you could try really

1160
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: hard at something that you are bad at and you'll

1161
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: just be more of that. There are foundational and fundamental issues.

1162
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: So so you're saying that it's not an effort problem,

1163
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: it's a quality problem. There there are certainly effort issues

1164
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: that factor into the quality problem. What I am saying

1165
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: is I have personally found that it's a lot more

1166
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: error based than it is intent based. The idea that

1167
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: Arizona State, or University of Arizona for that matter, wouldn't

1168
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: want the best kids in their footprint is ridiculous. Of

1169
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: course they want the best kids, and then they have

1170
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: to compete with that. It's an error. Like, for instance, hypothetically,

1171
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: if a kid had a scholarship offer from Arizona State

1172
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: and then he was gonna cut down his list, and

1173
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: in the process of cutting down his list, he contacts

1174
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: all the schools. If he wants to cut his list

1175
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: down to like eight, nine, ten, eleven, however many it

1176
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: is he wants to cut his list down, he contacts

1177
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: the schools to say, yo, is this a committable offer

1178
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: or whatever? Because he doesn't want to look stupid. So

1179
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 1: then and then Arizona states like na, na, we don't

1180
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: want you. And then as soon as he gets off

1181
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: the phone, maybe a team like Oklahoma or Texas or

1182
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: Alabama offers him a scholarship immediately after he gets off

1183
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: the phone. Hypothetically, if that situation were to exist, it

1184
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: sounds to me very much like one that Arizona State

1185
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: would have found itself involved in that affects their perception

1186
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: in in local recruiting. And hypothetically, if there was another

1187
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: situation in which uh, a kid who wasn't the next

1188
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: class up, but was actually one away. So a kid

1189
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: that was two classes away that was going to be

1190
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: an elite recruit, hypothetically was was somebody who said that

1191
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: he wanted to commit really early in the process. Hypothetically,

1192
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: you would think the Arizona State would put the pressure

1193
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: on him, and hypothetically, if they don't, they might find

1194
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: that he commits to another Pack twelve school and after

1195
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: he does that gets offers from some of the other

1196
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: biggest programs in the country, thereby uh leaving leaving a

1197
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: school like Arizona State completely out of the mix. You know,

1198
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: something like that might be a thing as well. And

1199
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: so but mind you, they're all hypothetical, fictitious events that

1200
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: that would would would never right, right, So it has

1201
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: nothing with with with with Arizona State. My my issue

1202
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: isn't that I believe that they don't want or don't

1203
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: prioritize Arizona kids. I think they have the right mindset,

1204
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: which is we are going to get the best kids,

1205
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: and we're going to get them from wherever. They just

1206
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: got a massive commit from UH defensive back cornerback, six

1207
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: ft three quarterback commit from Florida and that adds to

1208
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: the list of kids that they've been able to draw

1209
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: in from Florida. I think you should get the best kids,

1210
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: regardless of where they're at in the country, so long

1211
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: as you have that reach. But I will say that

1212
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: if you're going to deal locally, you want to make

1213
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: sure there's a certain way that you go about it

1214
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,879
Speaker 1: and when it it's not a process that involves anybody

1215
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: who really has any ties to air to the State

1216
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: of Arizona. Somebody who you know, you're all of Arizona

1217
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: States assistants are going to have big time jobs elsewhere.

1218
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: They're all gonna get like that you don't. There's only

1219
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: one other option in the state of Arizona. That's University

1220
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: of Arizona. So it's not like you're gonna stick around.

1221
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: It's not like you're gonna live here. A lot of

1222
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: the coaches don't necessarily have that affinity to keep those

1223
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: long standing relationships, and I think it's shortsighted. I think

1224
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: you should come into the state of Arizona. If you're

1225
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: an Arizona State assistant, you should get a relationship with

1226
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: every single coach in the entire state so that when

1227
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: you go work at cal next you have all of

1228
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: those relationships built up, like everything should point to the

1229
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: Arizona being somewhere you're gonna need to recruit in the

1230
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: future if you stick around the Pack twelve, or even

1231
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: if you're in the Big twelve, and so you know

1232
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: that that. I think that there's just been some short

1233
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: sightedness as far as people seeing the value in recruiting

1234
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: Arizona appropriately. It's not a will issue. They want the

1235
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 1: best players, and if that best player happens to be

1236
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: in Arizona, then they then they want them to So

1237
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't want that to be mistaken. Ralph. It is

1238
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:59,799
Speaker 1: clear they're not trying hard enough. And now it's time

1239
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: for the secret TEXTO so line, I stole that name

1240
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: from Petro's, so don't even try to come at me

1241
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: if you listen to Petros some money. I couldn't come

1242
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: up with a better name. That was the perfect name

1243
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: for it, So sorry. Um, yes, I stole it and

1244
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: it is two nine three five seven four seven nine

1245
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: three five seven four seven, Um, Rob, how long should

1246
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: we give this phone number out? I love man, I

1247
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: love the engagement. So I'm I'm trying to give it

1248
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: out more than more than you even wance. I'm trying

1249
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: to tweet it out, but you won't add it all, right,

1250
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe we'll tweet it out at one point

1251
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: in time and then like leave it up for twenty

1252
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: four hours and then delete the tweet that way because um,

1253
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 1: because Petro's he only gives the secret testo so line

1254
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: out one time a year. Now. He used to give

1255
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: it out all the time, but then it became too popular,

1256
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: so then he only started giving it out one time

1257
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,440
Speaker 1: a year. So maybe we give it out a bunch initially,

1258
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: and then maybe in a few months will stop and

1259
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: then only give it out and then wait until what

1260
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: what is it, February? So then maybe we'll stop, maybe

1261
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: in like April, and then not give it out again

1262
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: until the beginning of football season when when we'll get

1263
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: another bump. Yeah, or we could just get T shirts

1264
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: printed up with the number on it and walk around.

1265
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm getting Oh guys, I didn't tell you

1266
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: about this, Okay, So next episode, if you don't know,

1267
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: we are going to have one of the topics has

1268
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: to be free Ralph. So if you guys don't know,

1269
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: there are free Ralph T shirts and that may be

1270
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: the official packed ve Apostles T T shirt I don't know,

1271
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: man um, So here we go. Here is one uh

1272
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: text that we got in on the secret text as line,

1273
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 1: We'll give it out again super quick. Eight one two, nine, three,

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Speaker 1: five seven. I'm sorry, Lord, have mercy eight one, eight, two, nine, three, seven,

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01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: five four or seven. I hope I didn't say it

1276
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: run the first time? Eight one, eight, two nine, three seven,

1277
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: five four seven? Did I say it run the first time? No? No, Okay,

1278
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure all of those are correct text any

1279
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: of those numbers. Okay, Hey, p O C. Guys, Ralph,

1280
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: I listened to you on Speak of the Devil's Random questions.

1281
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: What correlation do you see between a issues lack of

1282
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: desire to recruit a Z high school high school football

1283
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: players and empty stadium granted winter cure winning cures all

1284
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: but the lack of effort which we just talked about

1285
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: their lack of effort and poor job recruiting Arizona, which

1286
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: which Ralph has been adamant at saying um and it's

1287
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 1: impact and turning families away even going to football games.

1288
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts stay positive test negative? Okay, So

1289
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rephrase the question and you tell me if

1290
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: you think that I'm close. Do I think that the

1291
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: Arizona schools chilly relationship within state recruiting affects attendance and

1292
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: local people rooting for the colleges in general? UM, I

1293
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: would say no to the affecting attendance. I think that

1294
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: that there's probably fifteen issues there, and schools relationship with

1295
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: the high school community isn't in the top fifteen, so

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01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: I'd say I would say negligible. I would say that

1297
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: if the schools did a better job being just part

1298
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: of the culture, you know, like sending Sparky to elementary schools, UM,

1299
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: just being ingrained in the culture, that it would be

1300
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: easier to have a foundation to build over time. But

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01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 1: I don't think it. I don't think there's a direct

1302
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: correlation between UM the attendance and the way that they recruit. Now,

1303
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: if the question is, is is the struggles that they have

1304
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: recruiting something that you can correlate to the lack of

1305
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: energy around the program in general, as far as people

1306
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 1: even wanting to show up and watch games in Tucson

1307
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: and Tempe and all over the Pac twelve. Maybe maybe,

1308
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 1: because I mean, do you feel like attendance falls uh

1309
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: in Austin, If the team is six and six. I

1310
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 1: don't think it falls at the rate that it falls

1311
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: in the Pact twelve. So I think availability and tradition

1312
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: are the two things that drive attendance down in um

1313
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 1: In in the Pact twelve, there's a lack of tradition

1314
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: and a lack of availability to get new fans bought

1315
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: into what's currently going on at each school without them

1316
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: just igniting interest by having a hot start early in

1317
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the season. I guess my answer is no, what's yours? Yes,

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01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I could. I could not disagree with you

1319
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: anymore about this, Rolph. You are as wrong about this

1320
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 1: is probably anything that I've ever thought you were wrong about.

1321
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: I this is a colossal Ralph wrong here. And I

1322
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: thought I was on the right track, and I guess not. No, So,

1323
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about specifically about the attendance. I think

1324
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: that I think that you're right about the other part,

1325
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: like sending Sparky to elementary schools and graining him in

1326
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: the community. That part you are a hundred percent right about.

1327
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: So if you're a hundred percent right about that wrong

1328
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: about this, then I don't know where the scales go.

1329
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: But but but the other part about attendance. You are,

1330
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: oh lower, You could not be more wrong. And I'll

1331
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: tell you why. So if you get more people in

1332
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: the community, more players from the community, from the state

1333
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: of Arizona playing at Arizona or Arizona State, those people's

1334
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: families and friends are then going to go to the game.

1335
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: They are going to be more invested, not necessarily that

1336
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: particular season, but the next season. It has an effect.

1337
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: So it's like, my family are Duck fans, right because

1338
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: I went to Oregon, had a positive experience there, all

1339
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: of that. So then when Arizona. So, then when even

1340
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: when I'm no longer playing, my family is still Oregon fans.

1341
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: They go to Oregon games with or without me. So

1342
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,839
Speaker 1: and then some of our friends are now Oregon fans

1343
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: and they go to games with or without me. And

1344
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: when you look at what Cincinnati has done, uh, luke

1345
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: luke fickle. Uh just making sure that they've created a

1346
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: culture around Ohio kids and Cincinnati kids that then translates

1347
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: into attendance because people care about it. And even once

1348
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: those kids leave, you have infected them with Cincinnati. Same

1349
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: thing with Arizona, you would have infected I mean, I

1350
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: know that has a negative kind of connotation. But I

1351
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: mean like you would have spread the message of Eric spread.

1352
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 1: You would have all right, you would have penetrated the okay,

1353
01:25:53,760 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: you would excellent just excellent decision making. You would have um,

1354
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: uh subtly manipulated the okay, the wrong wrong again. No,

1355
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that's you've been on the right track

1356
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: all the time. Penetrating, spreading, manipulating. What is they we're

1357
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: trying to do? Get people in the stands? I'm very confused. Okay,

1358
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: so you would have said, okay, so if you do

1359
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: all of those things, you would have subtly um created

1360
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: a another fan base. I'm gonna liken it to Nascar. Okay,

1361
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about so you're what you're trying to what

1362
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:47,839
Speaker 1: you're talking about doing is you're talking about uh getting

1363
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: in there, uh, spreading, penetrating, creating, so that down the

1364
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: road you're giving birth to fandom. Yes, because that sounds

1365
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: like what you're that's what that you're spreading, that you're penetrating,

1366
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: that you're creating. So then you give birth to I

1367
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: like what you did right there. So Ralph, for anybody,

1368
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: Ralph is read as a beat wrong, did you guys?

1369
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: I have brought out because Ralph is um little prude

1370
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: a little bit, but he's he's coming into his own now,

1371
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, in in case he has to

1372
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: move the coming Georgia, he'll be he'll be ready. I

1373
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: will not be moving to town. No one should live

1374
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: in that town. So so yes, that's that's what I'm saying.

1375
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: So they can birth some fandom and the fandom. So

1376
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: they've done it at Cincinnati, and I'm like it, liking

1377
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: it to NASCAR, right, So NASCAR has a black driver,

1378
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: Bubba Wallace is a good driver who's now in a

1379
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: really good car, like he actually has a car that

1380
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: could compete to win now as opposed to his first car. Um.

1381
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: He's also in with Michael Jordan's one of the team owners.

1382
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: Denny Hamlin is the other one. So Denny Hamlin fans

1383
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: are gonna want them, not only Denny Hamlin to win,

1384
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: but his team to do well. Right. People who like

1385
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: Jordan brand then may come in and like it, right,

1386
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: but that's not going to That's not gonna how you

1387
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: build NASCAR fans. So NASCAR has to then invest in

1388
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: the youth, like the youth in um in either poor

1389
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 1: communities in the city communities and also um in minority communities.

1390
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: That that's how you grow the NASCAR brand. So if

1391
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: you go into minority communities and you get some of

1392
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: them driving. If I get my nine year old son

1393
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: driving go karts right now and he goes on to

1394
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: be a NASCAR driver, consider this how many new NASCAR

1395
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: fans would come and they would really be exposed to

1396
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: just by my one son, my nine year old son

1397
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: going and going to go be a driver. If so,

1398
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: it would give me Oregon fans. You capture people who

1399
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: are regionally fitted, like so Cal you know, you you

1400
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: capture Aunt's uncle's Yeah, so Auntie's uncle, so all of

1401
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,480
Speaker 1: our family, like people with the same last name, cousins,

1402
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: what what whatever as well, and then their friends, the

1403
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: same people who would go watch your kid play soccer, volleyball,

1404
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: what whatever, friends of the family. So now they're exposed

1405
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: to it. They're going to the track, and then it

1406
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: continues to grow and grow just from one kid getting

1407
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: involved in it. Now, if you can get twenty thirty

1408
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: fifty kids in a city involved in it on some level,

1409
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: then it's gonna grow. The same thing would be true

1410
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: for Arizona State if they did that with the Arizona kids, Like,

1411
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: I know that you want to have all your specs,

1412
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, because they're about measurement recruiting. You can do

1413
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 1: that while at the same time saying, all right, we

1414
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: have to focus on our Arizona kids. I suppose, I

1415
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: mean I but what is it you're you're saying maybe

1416
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: over time, but what is it per year, like forty

1417
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: people that aren't in the stands over over a couple

1418
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: of local recruiting issues, Like it's I don't know, I

1419
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't know if it's as I'm saying

1420
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: that that you're gonna grow it just from that, right

1421
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: right it. I'll always come back to this whatever state

1422
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: that it says, whatever region it says across your chest

1423
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: as a college football player, of bringing pride to people

1424
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: of that area, and if people were already ingrained in

1425
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: the area, involved in the area, like it is a

1426
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: really big deal. Anybody who chooses to wear that state

1427
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: name across their chest is bringing pride back to to

1428
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: wherever they're from as well as to the area that

1429
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 1: they play in through through their efforts. And when you

1430
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: can combine those two things over time, it might have

1431
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: a positive effect but I don't look at pack twelve

1432
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: schools losing seven percent attendance year over year and say

1433
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: this is an issue of local recruiting. I look at

1434
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: ten twelve other issues before I even that even enters

1435
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: my mind. Okay, okay, that's a that's a thought. So

1436
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: this is we thought. It's passive aggressive, like borderline midwestern

1437
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: and passive aggressiveness. Hey, I said that, Oh you, I

1438
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: don't find word radio one day? What to do do

1439
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: I work with all the named damn damn buyre. I

1440
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: vehemently disagreed with him on something and he was like, um,

1441
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: so so I made my case first, he made his

1442
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: case and uh and he said oh no or no, no, yeah,

1443
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: I made my case first. Then he made his case

1444
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: and then he said, okay, so what what did you

1445
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: think about that? George mind you we're on the air

1446
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: national radio. H Well, that's a thought. He was like, yo, Like,

1447
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: that's probably the most disrespectful thing anybody has ever said

1448
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: to me. I apologized for making for for letting wind

1449
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: passed through my boat, forming it into sounds that made

1450
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: words that made senses. I regret all of it all. Right,

1451
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: Um we did get another uh text on the secret

1452
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: text as line, Hey George and rowe see this. This

1453
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: one was cool. This is one of my favorite ones. Hey,

1454
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: George and Ralph, And to my mind, we're not gonna

1455
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: read them them all. There are just a couple that

1456
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: either have questions or things that we need to address. Hey, hello,

1457
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 1: George and Ralph. I'm the third grade teacher from Bakersfield

1458
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: who you discussed Scholastic books with you. George. I'm so

1459
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: glad Ralph has joined rights to a wrong podcast. So

1460
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: if you guys don't listen right to the wrong podcast,

1461
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: make sure you're listening to that as well. Um, in

1462
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: the case of YouTube, one plus one equals four, So

1463
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: how we talk about one plus one equals zero and

1464
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: quarterback math? She's uh, the teacher said, one plus one

1465
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: equals four. Your chemistry makes the show great. I was

1466
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: glad you shared your cell number a few weeks ago,

1467
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: similarly similar to Petro's and its secret test text. Those

1468
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: a lot, So yeah, I was happy to get that one.

1469
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: That's really really cool. That's cool. That's so what I'm

1470
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,759
Speaker 1: hoping that means is that we're that we're equal parts.

1471
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: One plus one equals four, and then it's not like yeah,

1472
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: you bringing three point five and me bringing half. He

1473
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: remember when we used the grade the episodes give us

1474
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: a star star writing we we should continue that. Um.

1475
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: We did answer the text asking about the Tyler Shug

1476
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: situation Chuck Chuck, which which one is it? Bro Chuck

1477
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: h and then like learned his chucking name. Oh dude

1478
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: the text I read at first, now I know what

1479
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: POC stands for it now that I think think about it, dude,

1480
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 1: and now I'm slightly jealous. Tod that what podcast the

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01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: chance oct Yes? And then because then the next sex said,

1482
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: I'm listening to too many podcasts. This should this should

1483
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: go to pack twelve apostles. Ah ah, we got wrong,

1484
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: we got wrong numbered. No, no, it was to us

1485
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: because it was addressed to you. But but the person

1486
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 1: was like that they addressed it to Podcasts of Champions

1487
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: instead of us. So actually I need the pno podcast

1488
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,719
Speaker 1: the Champions because they may have stolen our our our

1489
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: secret textoso thing. Uh here here's what you need to

1490
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: know about podcasts of Champions. They also can't say Tyler Schuck,

1491
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: so we didn't we we don't have a monopoly on

1492
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 1: that issue. Um oh okay, right that we also learned

1493
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: that Ralph, Oh, while you're dissing people for pronunciations, one

1494
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: of the tech said, however, I love this. It's that

1495
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: I love this in terms of the show and the

1496
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: secret text Soso line. However, Ralph needs to learn how

1497
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: to pronounce appellation. Yes, no, that's fair. I went to boone,

1498
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: North Carolina and I called it Appalachian State and its

1499
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: appella chin yep, Appalachian. Yeah, so my bad, my bad. Yeah,

1500
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: great moment to bring up my pronunciation. Yep, exactly. So

1501
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: you were sitting on on your elitist throne and turns

1502
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: turns out you don't know a damn thing either. Um.

1503
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: The last thing was a question that Ralph had about

1504
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Pack twelve basketball, like like we talked about it a

1505
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. But um, Ralph is all Phoenix all

1506
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: all the time, so he can't help but talk about

1507
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton who went to Arizona drafted by the Phoenix Suns.

1508
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: And who is you know he is? He's a you know,

1509
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: he's a role player on a eight teen and ten

1510
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: team that's semi watchable. Uh in in the n B

1511
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: A who thanks for the credit. No, no, they are

1512
01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: they are becoming more watchable that they are. Okay, Uh,

1513
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 1: I just know if if people don't know, uh, you're

1514
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: a giant hater. And that's the nicest possible thing you

1515
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: can say about the Suns is that they're more watchable

1516
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: because it doesn't imply anything positive, It doesn't play anything

1517
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 1: positive at all. It would be it would be like

1518
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: adding a teaspoon of salt to the world's worst cooking

1519
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: and you kind of like, oh, it's more edible. It

1520
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's good. Hater. Oh my god, dude,

1521
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: my my kid told me. I laughed like the kids,

1522
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: like like the dog from Oh my God, what what what? Cartoons?

1523
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: I could see the little gray dog. Where you thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1524
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: oh man, I forgot Okay. So, so Ralph's all Arizona

1525
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: all the time. So he wants to know if with

1526
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 1: the success or semi success that DeAndre a has had

1527
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 1: Evan Mobley, who's at usc who is potentially a top

1528
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:12,520
Speaker 1: three pick by pretty much everybody who's drafting mock drafting,

1529
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: should you look at him differently because he's a traditional center,

1530
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Like should you still spend a pick on on him?

1531
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: And there have been some traditional centers drafted. There's obviously

1532
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: eightan wiseman, but but but wiseman can shoot some jumpers too,

1533
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: so and then a crew from USC came out last

1534
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: year two. He's doing pretty well, So make it make

1535
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: your case, Ralph, Well, that's just my question, and I

1536
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 1: want people to Texas in on this this one too,

1537
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 1: because I'm just really curious what everybody thinks if they're

1538
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: looking at DeAndre Ayton in his third year with the

1539
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns, and do they say to themselves? Okay, So

1540
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: the biggest issue back then when deandret was coming at

1541
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: a University of Arizona was that the NBA doesn't really

1542
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,799
Speaker 1: have a need for what he brings to the table anymore.

1543
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: Like the centers in the league who are um who

1544
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: You're You're you're DeAndre Jordan's and you're Dwight Howards who

1545
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 1: are more of like a defense and rebounding guy at

1546
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: this stage in their career. Those are gone by the wayside,

1547
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: and you want guys in there who are seven feet

1548
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 1: but can pull and pop from twenty five ft out

1549
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 1: like a Porzingis or Carl Anthony Towns or or Yo

1550
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: kich or anybody else who can who who can do

1551
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: it all? Eight and still more of like a down

1552
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 1: low guy, like a guy that would have thrived in

1553
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: the nineties even though he's not as aggressive. Maybe more

1554
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: of like a Rick Smiths Brad Daugherty type. So my

1555
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 1: question for people who've been paying attention to Pack twelve

1556
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: basketball is everyone says that Evan Mobley is probably gonna

1557
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: be a top two pick. You just had Marvin are

1558
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 1: not Marvin Bagley, but um, DeAndre Ayton come off the

1559
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: board number one. Then you have James Wiseman picked by

1560
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: the warri years uh, and now you have an opportunity

1561
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: for Evan Mobley to go. Is Evan Mobley somebody that

1562
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: a modern NBA team should be using the top two

1563
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 1: three pick on or do you look at DeAndre Ayton

1564
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: and say the concerns were founded. It's not really a

1565
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 1: traditional big league right now? Maybe he should fall a

1566
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: few spots. Because I love Evan Moble. I think he's

1567
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he like Then again, I'm a nineties era

1568
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: basketball fan. You have a seven footer that can move

1569
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: like that and he's averaging three blocks a game. To me,

1570
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,639
Speaker 1: it's like the perfect basketball player. But maybe the game

1571
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 1: is not. It's not for him, right, So is is

1572
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert. And Rudy Gobert has got zero offense. So

1573
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 1: he's real good on the cleanup, like and anything off

1574
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: the glass, anything down low. Yeah, I'm when I when

1575
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: when I say offensively, I mean like he doesn't add

1576
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: value in terms of any value in terms of throwing

1577
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: the ball down to him and on the court and

1578
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 1: get either stretching the court or creating as here, here's

1579
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: the ball, go get a bucket, Like that's not happening.

1580
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 1: He's like rebound, pick and roll LB. You know that

1581
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: that's where he gets his gets his points. So is

1582
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: he and he's been a defensive MVP. So is he

1583
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:23,879
Speaker 1: worth a top two pick to you? That's a really

1584
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: good question. I I that's a that's a great question,

1585
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 1: see because it depends on to what type of style

1586
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 1: of basketball that you're gonna play, because I don't think

1587
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: he's worth the top two because he adds no offensive value,

1588
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: which means that he becomes a hindrance on the court,

1589
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: Like he becomes a defensive liability, and that limits the

1590
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 1: things that you can do in the playoffs, like like

1591
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 1: Rudy go go go Bart, he would play limited minutes

1592
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: on a Warriors team. He would be on the Lakers team,

1593
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 1: he would be Javelle McGee or Dwight Howard from last year.

1594
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 1: He would be an important piece, but not like you

1595
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to waste the second round, the second overall

1596
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: pick on him. So I look at DeAndre Aden and

1597
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 1: what he can do and where I feel like his

1598
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 1: game will develop to the more and more he's able

1599
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: to stretch the floor, like like I think that big

1600
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 1: man now that they need to look like Yo kich

1601
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 1: but more athletic, or I mean, but but he's the

1602
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,560
Speaker 1: greatest passing big big man that we've ever seen. But

1603
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:40,799
Speaker 1: but he can score NBA debate for no reason here,

1604
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: I hold my time time so that they need to

1605
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: be skilled. That that's what big men need to be.

1606
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 1: I think that Wiseman can transition into that. I think

1607
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Aton can transition more not not mind you, they don't

1608
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 1: have to be a playmaker in terms of like they

1609
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: just need to be a serviceable passer and be able

1610
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 1: to go get a bucket. So and that to me

1611
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: looks like what like my ideal big man is Yoki's

1612
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: but more athletic, or give me a seven footer like

1613
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: poor Zinghis I can work with either one at oose,

1614
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: so you're you're more in the situation of saying and

1615
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 1: maybe this is just an answer to the question. I

1616
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,679
Speaker 1: wouldn't use a top three pick on anybody who isn't

1617
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 1: creating their own offense. Yes, the death is an optimal

1618
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 1: way to say it. And I don't know if Mobile

1619
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: is that guy. He is seven. He's not a Kevin

1620
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 1: Durant seven pizzall. He's seven vitall and he can shoot.

1621
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 1: If you hit him when he's open, he can hit

1622
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: to College three. I think he's hitting better than not

1623
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 1: shooting a lot of them. But he's hitting right now.

1624
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: You can do a little bit of everything. The nine

1625
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 1: rebounds a game shows he's not a dominant rebounder, but

1626
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's scoring. He's taken advantage of his

1627
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 1: height and his athleticism. But I don't think he's a

1628
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: guy who goes out and just creates offense. And we

1629
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 1: saw a few years ago when someone used the number

1630
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: two overall pick on hashim Sa beat that. If you

1631
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:08,720
Speaker 1: really go with somebody who can't create their own shot, um,

1632
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:10,680
Speaker 1: who's a project player? And I don't think Mobile is

1633
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: a project player by any means I think he's an

1634
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: elead athlete. But if you go to somebody who's a

1635
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: project player on the offensive end, you know, as a

1636
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: top three pick, it's never gonna work. Yeah, I totally

1637
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 1: agree with that, Like you have to, like the game

1638
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 1: has changed. Just because you're tall doesn't mean that you

1639
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 1: stand under the basket. But I could also play with

1640
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 1: a guy who is dominant, who can't shoot three pointers,

1641
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: but has good touch around the basket, good jump hook,

1642
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,719
Speaker 1: good but can create his own offense and is dominant

1643
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: down in the block. I can play with that too,

1644
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, like I'm down with that. Yeah.

1645
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 1: But it's but if you can't create your own offense,

1646
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 1: you have you have absolutely lost me, and you are

1647
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: lost in the NFL. I mean, it's sorry in the

1648
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: NBA to beget in with um. I had one more thing,

1649
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:09,560
Speaker 1: super quick, Ralph Um. I forgot what it is. I

1650
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: forgot what it is, alright, killing it here. This is

1651
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 1: why we get the four star reviews. Really no, no,

1652
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 1: it's because it's because I told people to know it

1653
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: was sometimes five star podcast. Yeah, it was something about

1654
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 1: the phone numbers I'm in anyway, Uh so was it

1655
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: about the podcast? The Champions or the Five Stars. I

1656
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: don't remember either either way. Um you guys, Thank you

1657
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: guys for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast. Make

1658
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: sure that you guys check us out on the Rights

1659
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: or Wrong podcast, Tell a friend about it, shoot us

1660
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: an email, get it. We've given you ample ways to

1661
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: get a hold of us. So makes available. We We

1662
01:45:55,560 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 1: are available to be spread and creating, not penetrated. And

1663
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not available for those things. I'm available

1664
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: by text. All right, pizza. I'll catch you guys later.

1665
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: M hmm.