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Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? John Middlecoff the Three and Out

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Speaker 1: podcast coming to you live, well, not actually live, because

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Speaker 1: I'm recording it on the Colin Coward podcast network from

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Speaker 1: a remote location. I'm in Nashville. Uh. I have a

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Speaker 1: good friend who's getting married this fall, and it hit

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Speaker 1: me we're having a bachelor party this weekend in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: first time I've ever been here. And about a month

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Speaker 1: ago I realized, why don't I go a little early

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Speaker 1: hit Titans practice. I've known the general manager, John Robinson

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Speaker 1: since I was a graduate assistant at Fresno State. I

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Speaker 1: had a chance on Tuesday to go to his office

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Speaker 1: talk to him from about twenty minutes. He's really established

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Speaker 1: himself as as one of the better young GM's in

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Speaker 1: the league. You know, comes from the BELICHICKI and Tree

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Speaker 1: obviously just hired Mike Vrabel, had some big free agent signings,

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Speaker 1: and Dion Lewis and Malcolm Butler. We'll get into all that,

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Speaker 1: so Jet Titans gentleman manager John Robinson will come up next.

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Speaker 1: But first I wanted to start with something. I've developed

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Speaker 1: this philosophy pretty recently, probably since my time actually around

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Speaker 1: Michael Vick and in the NFL, and it it becomes

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Speaker 1: once the draft period comes around Twitter and people get

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Speaker 1: so sensitive when you talk about people's intelligence, and especially quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I've always thought that was stupid because you should

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Speaker 1: be able to be critical. Is a guy smart enough

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Speaker 1: is a fair question. Now unless you meet him and

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Speaker 1: or around him, we might not have the answers someone

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Speaker 1: being critical, you know, a draft analysts or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I talked to people in the league and

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Speaker 1: people that I trust, and offensive coordinators or you know,

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Speaker 1: scouting directors or general managers, and when they say a

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Speaker 1: guy is not smart enough. Again, I'm talking quarterbacks certain

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Speaker 1: positions like I don't care how smart you are running

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Speaker 1: back or a defensive end. Uh, you know, even really

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Speaker 1: at corner depends on the defense. But at quarterback, I

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Speaker 1: need a high level of cognitive ability. I need you

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Speaker 1: to be able to retain and then execute information that

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Speaker 1: is just crazy and not not every job. You have

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Speaker 1: like you're gonna build the Bay Bridge, which I think

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Speaker 1: they did like five years ago, you better be a genius.

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Speaker 1: You know, you better be very very intelligent. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I I've met millionaires I actually knew a guy growing up.

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Speaker 1: His grandpa, multimillionaire, owned a construction company, never graduated high school,

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Speaker 1: so education level, and I learned when I was scouting

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Just because you get good grades, let's

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Speaker 1: say you're a straight A student, doesn't mean you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be functionally football intelligent, vice versa. Just because you get

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Speaker 1: bad grades in school doesn't mean you're not going to

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Speaker 1: be a genius. There have been a lot of NFL

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Speaker 1: players over the history of the game and the sport

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Speaker 1: that have been quote unquote dumb in the classroom outside

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Speaker 1: of football, and genius football players had great foot all intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Their functional intelligence when it came to retaining and using

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Speaker 1: and executing football information from the classroom the meeting room

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Speaker 1: to the practice field was high level, and everyone learns differently.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to quarterback, I'm out there a

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Speaker 1: practice and I was a little jaded because last week

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Speaker 1: I was at forty practice and Jimmy Garoppolo, who's clearly

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Speaker 1: to the forty niners for I think the first four weeks.

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Speaker 1: And everyone around the Bay Areas where I live, and

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Speaker 1: most people around the country, Like, what is Kyle doing?

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Speaker 1: You know those teams terrible, just throw them out there.

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Speaker 1: It's it's what I was saying. And I've been around

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Speaker 1: the league, and it turns out, as I learned today,

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Speaker 1: it finally hit me today Kyle was right because I'm

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Speaker 1: out of practice a for the Tennessee Titans. And Matt Lafleur,

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Speaker 1: who was with Kyle in Washington, and then with Kyle

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Speaker 1: run the same offense. And if you remember, Jon Gruden

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Speaker 1: with those quarterback camps, used to make quarterbacks that had

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Speaker 1: come from spread offenses. He'd give them a play and

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Speaker 1: it was a crazy long play. He wasn't making it up.

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Speaker 1: It was a West Coast offense play. And watching Mariota

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Speaker 1: in the offense today in red zone drills, la Flour

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Speaker 1: They literally had nothing to play for last year. But

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Speaker 1: still certain terminology that has carried overs. The personnel groups

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Speaker 1: think Jon Gruden is also with Derek Carr, and it

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Speaker 1: But the pace and how fast it gets scream from

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Speaker 1: the one thing Kyle Shanahan said when he got Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: really the first month of the season and Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: obviously seen it on YouTube videos and seen specials on TV.

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Speaker 1: But when you go to forty nine o'prio act as

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Speaker 1: Kyle is not really they're not having to repeat a

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, John Robinson. I think I met you Actually,

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Speaker 1: It's been good. Um My, I don't have a mobile office,

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Speaker 1: there to get Harold. How big our relationships in a

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Speaker 1: move like that, I mean, Reggie mackenzie, John Gruden, you

429
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable that they're shooting you straight and you know, yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: it's it's big. But at the end of the day,

431
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Speaker 1: my charge as um, you know, managing the football team

432
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 1: is is to do what's best for the team and

433
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Speaker 1: try to get our team in position, Uh, to improve,

434
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what we tried to do. And

435
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: now we had a mortgage, a few picks to do that.

436
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Speaker 1: But we felt like we've got two good players that

437
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 1: will will hopefully help us. Obviously, before the draft, free

438
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: agency and you had a big free agent moment, you

439
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 1: hired an old New England coach. You got a couple

440
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Speaker 1: of New England players. I saw Mariota first player on

441
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Speaker 1: the field. Second, Malcolm Butler. You know, I don't think

442
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,640
Speaker 1: that's random. I mean Malcolm Butler spent thirty million dollars guaranteed.

443
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Speaker 1: How how big was that signing? Yeah? Good, you know,

444
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: good signing for us. I mean, he's he's really done

445
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: a nice job in the off season program. Uh really

446
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: done a good job matching and learning coach P's his coverages.

447
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of plays for those guys as

448
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: in New England. He's he's a great guy. Um comes

449
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 1: to work and works hard and still players with a

450
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder. You know, it was it was

451
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: funny that, Uh, so we he can't We brought him

452
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Speaker 1: in after we signed him, and Um, we had gone

453
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Speaker 1: to dinner and had had dinner and and the next morning,

454
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: I walked him office and look out and there's a

455
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Speaker 1: guy on the field running sprints. Like, who's on the

456
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: field running sprints? It's Malcolm Butler. So um, I was like,

457
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Speaker 1: it's pretty good and pretty good investment. Did were you

458
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Speaker 1: Did you do any research into Obviously he's his name

459
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: became so polarizing in the Super Bowl. Was that something

460
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: that bothered you or something that you even had to

461
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Speaker 1: look into as a scout or his resume spoke for itself. No,

462
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean I think his resume. Certainly, the question comes

463
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: up and you and you and you and you, you ask,

464
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get as much intel as possible. Uh.

465
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: In free agency, that's always a tough part of team

466
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Speaker 1: building is getting information about the makeup of guys. But

467
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: everything that we got on on Malcolm was was positive

468
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Speaker 1: and fel good about it. Dion Lewis running back, I

469
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Speaker 1: mean the balance with you know, maybe one of the

470
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Speaker 1: biggest running backs in NFL history and Derrick Henry. You

471
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Speaker 1: gotta feel pretty good about your backfield. You know a

472
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Speaker 1: quarterback they can run two three guys pretty good one

473
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Speaker 1: to tan and we think, you know, they're they're really

474
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Speaker 1: totally different. There but they're they're both guys that you

475
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Speaker 1: can hand the ball to and throw the ball to. Um.

476
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Speaker 1: Uh Dions run style is certainly different than than Derek's,

477
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Speaker 1: but Um hopefully he can provide some matchup opportunities for

478
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Speaker 1: us UM in a short passing game and then and

479
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Speaker 1: then change the pace of the run of the runs

480
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Speaker 1: up a little bit as well. How about a quarterback.

481
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not often as a general manager you

482
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Speaker 1: get to inherit a guy that's, you know, franchise quarterback.

483
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Speaker 1: Last year, you know, had a down year. But I

484
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Speaker 1: think him and Derek Carr both broke their ankle. I

485
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Speaker 1: think it was weeks sixteen, So they don't get an

486
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Speaker 1: offseason young guys and then they have kind of step backs.

487
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Speaker 1: But how big is the off season? And you I

488
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Speaker 1: mean this first time he's been healthy, what in a

489
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Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, I think that's the key. I

490
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Speaker 1: think you nailed it there. It's it's the first time

491
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Speaker 1: that he's really Um had an off season where he

492
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Speaker 1: wasn't rehabbing, he was really working working on his on

493
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: his skill set um to improve as a player, and

494
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: not rehabing an injury. So I know he feels good.

495
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Speaker 1: It's a new offensives just him. Um. He is a

496
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: tireless worker, as you alluded to, he's the first guy

497
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: on the field, the highest character guy in the NFL.

498
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: He's outstanding now. He he apologized was last year of

499
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: the media. His mom got on his mom got on him.

500
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: He apologize that you're not gonna find a better guy,

501
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: um and and and a better teammate. How much better

502
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Speaker 1: you think he can get? Um? Well, I think I

503
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: think we can all get better. I think a lot

504
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: of our players can get better. He's he's certainly being

505
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: being one of them. Um. I think he has gotten

506
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: better um at parts of his game over the over

507
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: the last two years. And you know, I'm looking forward

508
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: to him to even get better this year. I sat

509
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: down with Prague Murate last week and we were talking

510
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: about Jimmy garoppolo contract. Obviously your quarterback still under his

511
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: rookie contract, but these quarterbacks getting paid. As a team builder,

512
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: your guys eventually gonna be up. And if he bounces back,

513
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: we see how that money goes. How closely are you

514
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: monitoring that just the way you build your team? And

515
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: did that planed at all? Being aggressive this year in

516
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: free agency? Knowing that even though he's still relatively expensive

517
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Speaker 1: because he was a second overall pick, but just that

518
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: one day he's gonna be a lot more expensive. Yeah,

519
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's I think that's my charge

520
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: as as general manager is to is to monitor all

521
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: of those situations, regardless of what position it is, and

522
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: and and try to put the team in best the

523
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: best position for for long term success. Um, that's our

524
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: goal here. You know, we're not trying to catch lightning

525
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: in a bottle. We're trying to to build something a

526
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Speaker 1: sustainable um team here that can hopefully win for a

527
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: lot of years. And and there's a lot of factors

528
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: that you have to look at when you're when you're

529
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: doing that. How closely you monitor the league on just

530
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Speaker 1: a daily basis, Yeah, quite a bit. There's not a

531
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Speaker 1: ton of action in the off season. Um, you know,

532
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: it's everybody's kind of in their off season. There's some

533
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: some back end roster stuff that's you know, from a

534
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: transaction standpoint, being ninety now instead of eighty you know,

535
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: four or five years ago. That's an extra guys kind

536
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: of you know, looping in and out. Yeah, we checked

537
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: the waiver wire and daily and see if there's anybody

538
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, we claimed John theis a couple of weeks

539
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: ago who it was I think a fifth round pick

540
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: out of Georgia and has played some snaps in this league.

541
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: Never can never have enough lineman for for training camp.

542
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's done a nice job for since he's

543
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: been here. What about your division? I mean you've got

544
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that I mean are kind of game changes

545
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: if they come back from injury. Is that something you're monitoring?

546
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: I mean you play the Colts in the Texans, you know,

547
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: four times total luck and Deshawn's kind of progress. I

548
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: mean you read wrote a world Twitter and just kind

549
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: of keep up with everything that's going on. Yeah, I

550
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: mean you you kind of skim through it. I wouldn't

551
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: say that. I Uh, I don't know something my daily

552
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: schedule to catch up on. No, no exact Yeah there

553
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: you go. Um, but yeah, you see what's going on

554
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: around the league. Um, I mean I think again that's

555
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: part of our task is to is to monitor what's

556
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: going on. We've got a tough division. Um, that's where

557
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: it all starts. We've gotta win our division games. We've

558
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: gotta win our home games. Uh. If we can do that,

559
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: and it gives us a chance to get in the

560
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: tournament next fall, our next uh you know, next winner,

561
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: and and see where it all checked out. This division

562
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: could be really good. Obviously the Jags are loaded and

563
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: those two guys come back. I mean, this could be

564
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: one of the better divisions in football. Yeah, to two

565
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: playoff teams last year. Um, you know in us in

566
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Houston has been in there the last couple

567
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: of years. So um, you know, I think that in

568
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: in do with they're certainly a very talented team, and

569
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: I think that all bets are off. You know, we're

570
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: just we're just trying to clock in every day and

571
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: and and put ourselves in best position to go out

572
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: and um and be competitive and and hopefully when if

573
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Speaker 1: you you ready for vacation, I am ready for a vacation.

574
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: I am ready for a little to unplug a little bit,

575
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: catch the breath, spend a little bit of time with

576
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: the family. And um, I always get that itch about

577
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: July the tenth or eleventh, you know, the you come

578
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: home and the grass is cut and kind of smells

579
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: like fall, and it's like it's right around the corner

580
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: and you get its you to go back to work.

581
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: So what do you got one more week after this

582
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: and then then you guys are off. Yeah, so we'll

583
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: finish up this week with the the O t as,

584
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: we have that mini camp next week and then uh

585
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: and then we'll be out for pipe three or four

586
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: weeks and then back to the end of July. How

587
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: much work you do over the summer? Uh, well, that

588
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: contract potentially, Taylor Luwan a guy you're working on. He's here.

589
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, some guys aren't here, you know, at their

590
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: respective camps. I mean that's gotta mean a lot to you. Yeah. Well,

591
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean we're working on several things. We've got supplemental draft. Um,

592
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: that list is gonna be coming out here. You know,

593
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: you never know, you might you might catch a diamond

594
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: and the rough there one of those things. But certainly

595
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: monitoring our our roster and trying to make sure that

596
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: when we get the training camp that we're as competitive

597
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: as we can be. Well, John, I appreciate the time

598
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: and excited to get out watch your football team practice,

599
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: and thanks a lot man, good luck, it's it's goods.

600
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: Congratulations to you. It's good to catch up with you.

601
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: You've come a long way from from Fresno and beating

602
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: the bushes as a scout with the Eagles. So congrats

603
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: to you for your success. And now I just stay

604
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: on guys like you and bash you on Twitter. You

605
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: know when you screw up, or give you praise when

606
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: you do well. I appreciate it. Thanks man, Thanks John,

607
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Okay, John Robinson was great. I mean he's

608
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: For those of you that don't know him that well

609
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: and are listening, you probably wouldn't because he was with

610
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: Belichick all those years and flew under the radar and

611
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: there was a right hand guy for Jason Lite for

612
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years in Tampa. And now I mean

613
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: now he's pretty well known and being a general manager

614
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: in the league that I really think he's He's an

615
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: old school football guy who really understands players but also

616
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: really gets value in the ability to raid. I think

617
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: he's made twelve draft trades in the last three years.

618
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: He's just dynamic, and usually the guy's Belichick you know,

619
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: believes in, and if you work for Belichick from two

620
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: thousand two to two thousand thirteen, you better believe the

621
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: guy's dynamic. And I've known him for a long time

622
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: I've been a big fan and and now I'm kind

623
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: of under the Raider Titans fan, and you know you

624
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: guys should be too, because he's impressive. Let's get to

625
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, my favorite time of the week, the middle

626
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: cough mail bag. I got a bunch of questions, uh

627
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: from a lot of you guys the last since the

628
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: last podcast. Let's start with Sharome from Texas. How do

629
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: you think Dallas will do in the NFC with them

630
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: getting a year older, with their young guys Jalen Smith

631
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: another year removed from his injury and Zeke back healthy,

632
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: also not suspended, in a healthy offensive line, do you

633
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: think a NFC championship game is out of reach? By note?

634
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Hell No, I don't. I think the the Dallas Cowboys

635
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: are gonna be really good. I know a lot of

636
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: people think Jason Garrett stinks. I actually think he's solid. Now.

637
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: Is he an elite top seven eight coach? No, but

638
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: he's definitely good enough to get to the NFC Championship game.

639
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: They were two years ago when Zeke was healthy, Dax

640
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: rookie year after Romo went out, and I do think

641
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: this year can be similar. If you look at last season,

642
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: they were right in the mix at nine and seven,

643
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: and they missed Zeek for six games. He's their best

644
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: player and they can't afford to go six games without Zeke.

645
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: If Dak Prescott just does what he did his rookie

646
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: year and doesn't even need to be that good, I mean,

647
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: he can turn it out. It's not realistic to throw

648
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: four or five six picks. You're gonna throw ten, eleven, twelve.

649
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: But if you run the ball well, if you play

650
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: solid defense. Uh. I like the Cowboys to make the playoffs.

651
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: I actually think they're kind of a sleeper because people

652
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: just assume the Philadelphia Eagles are gonna win the division again.

653
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: I do think obviously the Eagles are a playoff team,

654
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: but how often do teams just win the divis back

655
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: to back years? You know, it's hard in the NFL,

656
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: you know. And Dallas won the division two years ago

657
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: for a reason. They are really good. I'm bullish on Dallas.

658
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: I liked him last year before Zeke inevitably got suspended,

659
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: and remember he went to Cobbo for six games. I

660
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: saw them live in San Francisco, and now that the

661
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: forty Niners pre Garoppolo, but they were humming. They destroyed

662
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: the Niners, and I went, that's a playoff team. And

663
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: anytime you get into the playoff you are a legitimate

664
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Speaker 1: NFC championship or just an a f C championship threat,

665
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: because all you gotta do is potentially win one game.

666
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: If you're a top suicide and if you're a top

667
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a wild card team, you might

668
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: host a playoff game. Then you just gotta win one

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Speaker 1: game on the road. And we see it every year

670
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: teams go down. I like the Dallas Cowboys. I really

671
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: like them a lot. Uh, they might actually be my

672
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: pick to win the NFC East. John loved the pod.

673
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Speaker 1: What's the real expectations for the Miami Dolphins two thousand

674
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: eighteen season. I've seen their transactions over the off season.

675
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: I love it. I think the very deep in the

676
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: secondary and have a sneaky good defensive front as well. Uh.

677
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Drafting the kid from I think Mike giscky. I think

678
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: it's how you say his name, the tight end from

679
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: Penn State is a great pick. I agree to me

680
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: the I'm an Adam Gays guy. I've been a believer

681
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: since he's been with Peyton Manning. Everyone I've known and

682
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: basically and with the Chicago Bears, I knew people that

683
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: worked with him that loved him. I'm not selling stock

684
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: just because he had one poor year in a season

685
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: when his quarterback you know towards a cil and training

686
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: camp that there's not much you can do. They had

687
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: to pull Jay Cutler out of the retirement booth that

688
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: they were in a tough situation. I really think you

689
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: have to throw away last season two years ago again

690
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: when Ryan Tannehill get hurt, because he gets hurt a lot.

691
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: They made the playoffs within that more. Now, not for

692
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: the entire season, but I think Matt Moore finished the

693
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: last six games, maybe five, but it's not like they

694
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: were in Week sixteen. So he's proven to be able

695
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: to work with a lot of different quarterbacks. You can

696
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: make the bat, you can make the playoffs with the

697
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. To me, that's impressive. They need to be

698
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: a better on defense. They've gotten rid of, to me,

699
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: a team cancer in the Dominican suit. Not that he

700
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: was a terrible guy, but he was paid so much

701
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: money and the hype never quite lived up to it. Uh,

702
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: their division isn't that great to me, The Bills are

703
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: going to take a slight step back because Josh Allen

704
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Moren likely is going to be the starting quarterback or

705
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: AJ McCarron, who is worse than Tyrod Taylor. The New

706
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: York Jets are just in complete rebuild mode, especially if

707
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Sam Donald starts a lot. I do think that the

708
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins can be competitive, as we've seen the last

709
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: several years they played. They beat New England once a year.

710
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: So then if you can go, you know, win three

711
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: other games in your division your four and two, then

712
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: if you somehow find a way to win five games,

713
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: you're nine seven, and I don't think it's out of

714
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: the realm possibility. I know a lot of Vegas and

715
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: a lot of betting sites have them as one of

716
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: the lowest old over unders in the league. I'm not

717
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: that uh down on them. I expect them to be

718
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: competitive because I think they're Their coach is good. Now.

719
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: The big wild card is the quarterback. He consistently gets hurt.

720
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Heart to have a little bit of a Sam Bradford

721
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: field to him if he is healthy, and that that's

722
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: a massive if right now, because he hasn't been able

723
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. Now, the Tanney Hill, you know, fanboy

724
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: contingent would tell you it's basically the same injury. Remember

725
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: two years ago he refused to have surgery and that

726
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: was you know the next as of last year when

727
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: he tore his me it was his own fault because

728
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: he should have just got surgery this first time. Well,

729
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm not Dr James Andrews here, but that's yeah. And

730
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: I think they tried to push the envelope and and

731
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: a backfired heavily, mightily. I also think this their first

732
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: round pick. Maka Fitzpatrick, when it's all said and done,

733
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: could be one of the best players in this draft.

734
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: He was one of the best players in college for

735
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: the last three years he started as a true freshman.

736
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Speaker 1: He played every stinking position for the Alabama defense. He's

737
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: not going to fail. He may never be, you know,

738
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Speaker 1: at Reid, but he is gonna be a really good

739
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: starter for a long long time. I love that pick.

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00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: I think Miami got a little lucky that he just

741
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: fell into their laps. So I'm just I had kind

742
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: of forgotten about maca dispatcher. But I see what you're

743
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: saying about the deeper secondary, and yeah, I'm with you.

744
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be better and I do like

745
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: their off season two playoffs nine wins, but it wouldn't

746
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: shock me. I think a lot of people expect them

747
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: to win four or five games if they want eight. Uh.

748
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick actually j by JP Sports, Colin often talks

749
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: about how Lebron and Belichick don't really do good things

750
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the finals because they're trying to

751
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: use the first part of the game or series attest.

752
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: The waters changed a little bit for Lebron. But I

753
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. Do you believe the reason that

754
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: they didn't win eight Super Bowls is because Belichick does this? I?

755
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't because really, at the end of the day,

756
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls that the Patriots have lost have not

757
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: been because of their per force. Poor first halfs now

758
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: it made the Atlanta game really hard last year, kind

759
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: of put them behind the eight ball, but ultimately it's

760
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: been execution down the stretch. If you remember, what would

761
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: it have been, oh seven, when Brady just rode a

762
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: little too high for West Welker uh in two thousand

763
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: and eleven. I'm pretty sure Gronkowski did not play in

764
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl, or maybe he did play, but he

765
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: was a shell of himself because he had the bad foot.

766
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's just last year. I mean, sometimes you

767
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: just get beat. You know, it's the super Boy. It's

768
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: really hard. And I think for them to win five

769
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: super Bowls out of eight is just an incredible accomplishment.

770
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: No different Lebron. I mean, in fairness to Lebron, he

771
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: hasn't been the betting favorite in many of his finals

772
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: and all these ones that he's If you're listening to this,

773
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: I guess the Warriors game is tonight, Like the Warriors

774
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: are just better. And I think he's had a change

775
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: that strategy. And I don't think I think Bill Belichick

776
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: tries to score points on on every play, especially in

777
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: big games. He's not necessarily trying to set you up

778
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: for stuff in the Super Bowl. Maybe he's doing it

779
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: in the regular season, potentially in a playoff game, but

780
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL it's hard. There's no margin. Forever, one

781
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: bad play, one pick six, one fumble six can screw

782
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: you can do you in one screwed up on sidekick,

783
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, in the first half, can be the difference

784
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: in a game. Every play in a playoff game matters

785
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: so much. I mean in football, just in general, players

786
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: do matter because there's only fifty or sixty offensive plays

787
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: on each side of the ball, so every play is magnified,

788
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs when you know yards are hard

789
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: to come by. So I I don't think I think

790
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: they got beat. You know, they say styles make fights.

791
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: I think matchups make super Bowls. If you look at

792
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: the two Super Bowls they lost the Cofflin and the Giants,

793
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: it's a bad matchup. They had a fantastic defensive line.

794
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: It's always kind of been the downfall of the Brady era.

795
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of years ago when the when

796
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: Denver beat him ended up winning the Super Bowl, when

797
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: Manning was terrible. What got him? I mean they could

798
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: not block their defensive line. What was the downfall? Last year?

799
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: The play at the end of the Super Bowl it

800
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: was Brandon Graham. You know, it's the defensive front for Philadelphia.

801
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: They're just good. Defensive lines historically have always given New

802
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: England trouble because for the most part, you know, they

803
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: don't have five Logan Mankins up front. They have one

804
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: high draft pick and then usually a couple of mid

805
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: rounders and a couple undrafted free agents that they're not

806
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: dealing with five Blue Chippers, and that's you know, how

807
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: Belichick builds his team. And again, sometimes at the highest

808
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: level of football, you just get beat. A couple of

809
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: years ago when Alabama lost in the championship basically in

810
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: the last play to Clemson. Sometimes not every loss also

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00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: is a bad thing. You know, you like, to me,

812
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: you could hold your head high in certain losses, like

813
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: last year with lebron he lost the words, basically got

814
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: his ask kicking five games. To me, he could hold

815
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: his head high. You know, it's like he did everything

816
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: he could. I've watched Belichick, you know, you you could

817
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: argue it wasn't his best coach game. That's that's fair.

818
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: But you know the Eagles time, I mean, the franchise

819
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: has never won a Super Bowl and their team was

820
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: stacked that they were really good. Now in a perfect world,

821
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: do you like losing the backup quarterback? No? But I

822
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: think in all three, in all three losses, there's been

823
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: a common theme elite pass rush, elite front pressure, and

824
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: that's always kind of been the Achilles heel of New

825
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: England and Bill Bell check in the Championship. Uh Kobe

826
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Speaker 1: d big fan of the podcast. In your Insights and

827
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Speaker 1: Analysis I'm from Pittsburgh and a huge Steeler fan. What,

828
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: in your eyes is the main issue with Mike Tomlin.

829
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: To me, it's pretty simple. I think Mike Tomlin is

830
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: a top five NFL coach. I think his resume is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: If the Pittsburgh Steelers were to ever move on, he

832
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: would be hired immediately. I think his downfall he is

833
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: excellent at managing personalities, handling guys like ben Levian, Antonio Brown,

834
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of crazy coordinators like Bruce Arians or

835
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Speaker 1: Todd Haley. He's really good at motivating the team and

836
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: having them locked in. I think it comes down to details.

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00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: He's a defensive guy, and his defensive especially he's just

838
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: defensive secondary guy, and his secondaries always have massive holes.

839
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: The one play that, like I understand, sometimes you just

840
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: come out flat or whatever in a in a big

841
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: game that that happens no matter what you do motivationally

842
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: that week. Like let's just use the Jaguars playoff game

843
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: for example. But they ultimately were still in that game

844
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: when it was nutcutting time in the fourth quarter. There

845
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: was a play where they needed to get off the

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00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: field and third down and they would have had a

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: chance to at least tie the game, if not winning.

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Speaker 1: And I forget the exact down and distance, but they

849
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: ran like a crossing route underneath the Jaguars did, and

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00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: the corner bit when he had the flat and the

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00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: corner period of vertical that he didn't need to and

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Speaker 1: ultimately that the Jaguars got the first down and it

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Speaker 1: costs them the game. It's little details like that that

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Speaker 1: even in your shittiest performance, they could have overcome the

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Speaker 1: bad start and beat the Jaguars despite playing very poorly.

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Speaker 1: And I do think the Patriots were there to be

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Speaker 1: had this year. They were a flawed, great team and

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Speaker 1: I know the Steelers have never beat them, it feels

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Speaker 1: like especially in New England, but I do think they

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Speaker 1: could have beat him. And it comes to details in

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Speaker 1: the biggest moment, at the biggest time, Belichick's players always

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Speaker 1: seem to make a play. Now, they don't always win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but for the most part, they're getting there.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tomlin losing in the first round, I mean

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Speaker 1: his equivalent of first round. It was actually the second round,

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Speaker 1: but they had to buy at home to the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: when their quarterbacks Blake Bortles, is tough to stomach. If

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Speaker 1: you're a Steeler fan, you have a Hall of Fame quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you have the best running back in the league, and

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Speaker 1: your defense when it's time to make a play can't

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Speaker 1: get the details right. To me, it's details, details, details, details,

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Speaker 1: and that's really his downfall. And to me, that's the

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Speaker 1: reason he might end up in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he keeps winning divisions, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he makes to another super Bowl, even if he loses it,

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Speaker 1: his resume is gonna be damn good. But I do

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Speaker 1: think there'll be something there to be desired. And in fairness,

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Speaker 1: there are with more most coaches. Most guys are not Belichick,

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Speaker 1: most guys are not Parcels, most guys are not Walsh.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with being Mike Tomlin. You know Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: I think, and he reads a better football coach. Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin has a Super Bowl, So I think you just

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Speaker 1: have to live with it. And here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: And I think Steeler fans anytime they have a tough

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Speaker 1: loss in the playoffs, they want him gone. Who's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the next coach? Who who would do a better

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Speaker 1: job than Mike Tomlin. I think it'd be really hard

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Speaker 1: to find. Okay, thanks again. I'm glad John Robinson came on.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you gotta got a chance to hear him.

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Speaker 1: Known him for a long time and he's a stud. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the weekend. I know I will hear in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the three Now podcast on the

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