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Speaker 1: Pray Harris, the developer of Colony Ridge, is our guest.

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Speaker 1: Number of emails asking how this conversation came about. I

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Speaker 1: that I appreciated his tone. We've hit Coliny Ridge pretty

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Speaker 1: That yes, I would be more than happy to have

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Speaker 1: have to take these shots? Why do you do it all?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Hey, I love it, And so I know you're

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Speaker 2: Uh we are. There are a very large percentage of

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Speaker 2: and some people aren't happy about it, but hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: Changing the demographic is a big issue that has come up.

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Speaker 1: To use your line, let's talk about the school district,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's really where the public focus on

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Speaker 1: Was when Cleveland ID announced that they had doubled their

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Speaker 1: But I suspect you know that in twenty thirteen, Cleveland

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Speaker 1: those numbers seem out of whack even if they're not perfect.

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Speaker 2: No, they don't.

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Speaker 1: So that's a pretty big burden on a school district.

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Speaker 1: For if you don't have a kid, if you have

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Speaker 1: You feel like you went from being in school in

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Speaker 1: explosive growth that I didn't prepare for. You could see

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Speaker 2: That, for sure. But before we showed up in Liberty County,

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Speaker 2: the Liberty the Cleveland School District, which is where all

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Speaker 2: of my kids, that's the school district that my developments

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Speaker 2: are in. Uh, the Cleveland School DiscT was over sixty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when so the people say, hey, Trades bringing

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Speaker 2: it may be. Maybe it's not sixty percent they maybe

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Speaker 2: All around Cleveland. Cleveland's there's a lot of rural land,

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Speaker 1: King's Colony comes up a lot as as a development

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Speaker 1: where I don't know if that's where you got your start.

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Speaker 2: me help you out with that. Uh. So King's Colony

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Speaker 2: Man, that is a really cool story. There's a guy

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Speaker 2: neat guy. He he has charter school of all over

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Speaker 2: They actually have a shooting range in the school. I mean,

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Speaker 2: go look around? He said yeah. So they all up

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Speaker 2: I said, don't you have a board? And he said

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Speaker 2: build a school here and there's mobile homes all around me. Uh,

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Speaker 2: was my guy? You you, mister, Michael Marry you.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to ring the King's English.

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Speaker 1: Trey Harris is our guest. He is the developer of

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Speaker 1: Colony Ridge. At his request, I've invited him on the show,

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Speaker 1: and to his credit, he has answered every question I've asked.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Yeah, I'm here, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What happened?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. I'm not sure what's going on,

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Speaker 1: Sudden, they're not coming to get you?

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Speaker 2: Lawyers occasionally, but probably not as much as I should.

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Speaker 1: wrap that up by asking My understanding is that Cleveland

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Speaker 1: ISD has put several bonds forward that would finance more

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Speaker 1: They don't want to build more schools, they don't want

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Speaker 1: pay for this. What is your strategy if the school

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Speaker 1: You're the fastest growing development in the state, and some

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Speaker 1: What is the solution then?

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Speaker 2: Uh So, I think the charters, the charter schools are

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Speaker 2: You know, I had a conversation with the superintendent, and

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Speaker 2: hey man, why would you why would you buy land

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Speaker 2: I agree with your hundred percent, but I can't get

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Speaker 2: the brand new schools that I'm going to bust your

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Speaker 1: You have, certainly, if I've heard it, you've heard it.

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Speaker 1: You have had a lot of pushback, a lot of

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Speaker 2: Looking back, man, I really I think, I really think

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Speaker 2: we've done a great job at providing that product for

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Speaker 2: I really don't. I don't know. So for the outsiders

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Speaker 1: And he has done that, and I appreciate that we have.

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Speaker 2: So we do have a property Ums Association and there's

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Speaker 3: But the.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's your business. I'm telling you that you didn't

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Speaker 2: Smart guy, understood and appreciate the comments and the feedback,

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Speaker 1: I understand that. I appreciate it a friendly suggestion that

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Speaker 2: It's not something that's hard to figure out. It's a

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Speaker 2: They don't like the they don't like the customers that

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Speaker 1: So it's your belief that if these were white working

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Speaker 2: If my customers were white, you would not be on

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Speaker 2: the phone me right now, and you would never know

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Speaker 1: Hold on, just a moment, you tired? Have we warned

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Speaker 2: People need to make informed decisions, and you're giving him

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Speaker 1: Trey Harris is our guest, is a developer of Colony Ridge.

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Speaker 1: I don't suggest that should change your opinion or mine.

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Speaker 1: You also need to understand reading my emails, I do

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Speaker 1: to hear me scream at Trey Harris because you're screaming,

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Speaker 1: Let's be clear on the terms here, and nobody would

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Speaker 1: Connie Riche. We're talking about plumb growth. That's the area

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Speaker 1: What are you doing over there?

436
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Speaker 2: Much? Yeah?

437
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: What were you doing?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I was setting in the truck in my daughter's house.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like you were signing contracts for deeds with

440
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: illegals and making a lot of money and repossessing them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, just we got orange trade full of hundred

442
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: dollars bills on taking the bank.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I did here. Let me ask you

444
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Speaker 1: to respond to that, since you brought it up. I

445
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: did hear there are three cash truck pickups per day

446
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: out of the Terreno's offices, and that this more than

447
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: one person said gold plated ars. I think the security

448
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: guys do. I'm not joking. That was the question. That

449
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: that was the allegation. Is that true?

450
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna have to say unfortunately not. But yeah,

451
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: I would love to have a gold play they are myself,

452
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: but I don't. Unfortunately, are there three cash pickups today?

453
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of.

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00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we.

455
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Speaker 2: Don't take so we quit taking cash because we have

456
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: in our administration office. There's it's mostly young ladies, right

457
00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: and so two, you know, we just got to looking

458
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: at it and thought, you know, there's a lot of

459
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Speaker 2: cash coming through here, and so these poor girls, we're

460
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: subjecting them to an unsafe work environment. If we have

461
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Speaker 2: that much, someone's gonna say at some point, hey, there's

462
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: a lot of cash come there, let's go knock those

463
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Speaker 2: guys off. And so we quit taking cash for payments.

464
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: And so that way our girls don't have to deal

465
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Speaker 2: with that issue of possible security. I mean, we have

466
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Speaker 2: security guards that work there full time all the time.

467
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: If we're opening, there's a security guard. There's security is there.

468
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: But at the same token, it's you know, if you

469
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: get a bunch of cash coming in, that's a little scary. Uh.

470
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: And so we don't we don't take cash for payments anymore.

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Speaker 1: All right, Plumber, is plumb Grove suing you? Are you

472
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: suing them? What is the basis of that?

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Speaker 2: So Plumb Grove has made a number of our adations

474
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: against us, saying we're doing one thing or another wrong,

475
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: whatever their color flavor of the day is, which none

476
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: of their allegations are even remotely close to the truth.

477
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Everything we do, as far as water and sewers are

478
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: regulated by the state TCQ. They come out and do

479
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: routine inspections on in the areas that it's talking about.

480
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: We don't actually own the water and sewer utility is

481
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: owned by another company. Quad Vest is the utili provider

482
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: in the areas in question. They have a suit against

483
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: the quad Vests as well. But quad Vests and they

484
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: have thousands of hookups around in Texas and so they're

485
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: one of the largest privately utility providers in the state.

486
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: And they are very They're standing with with TCQ is

487
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: very understanding. Is perfect. I guess you could say that

488
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: they don't have any violations with the outstanding with the state. Uh.

489
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: They're a great company, good people, friends of mine. We're

490
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: on the same year at least together, you know. So,

491
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: Uh good good guys, and they do a good job

492
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: with the utilities.

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00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: But plumb Grove is definitely crossways with you.

494
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: Oh plumb Grove. Yeah, now they they uh, there's We've

495
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: made every reasonable attempt that we could to try to

496
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: come to some some sort of arrangement. We actually have

497
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 2: a develop agreement in place with them, but uh, they

498
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: don't want to remember that.

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00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just tell you tray the emails I get

500
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: related to them off the record, or that they allege

501
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: that you are in violation of that development agreement. They

502
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: don't deny to me that there is a development agreement.

503
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so did they give you any indication of how

504
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: I violated that agreement?

505
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't have that from me. I will tell you this.

506
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: You can consider this scary or flattering. But when Art

507
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: reached out to me last night at about eight o'clock,

508
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: the Astros game had just finished, and I spent from

509
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: eight until two thirty this morning, I literally went back

510
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: through every email I had that mentioned plum Grove or

511
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: Colony Ridge or Trey Harris or Colonia or anything of

512
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the sort. I printed them out, I went through and

513
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: I made notes. And so I'm a little short on

514
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: sleep and I can't lay my hands on everything. But

515
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: what I tried to do was get a sense of

516
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to be able to ask you

517
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: questions that a consistent theme keeps coming up about and

518
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: then your answer is your answer, and people can decide

519
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: for themselves how they do that. So one of the

520
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: things that comes up a lot, and this was a

521
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: big news story. There were fifteen fentanyl overdoses at Cleveland

522
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: High School as of last week. Already in this school

523
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: year and we're early. A lot of people are blaming

524
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: that on Colony Ridge, whether that's whether that's a Colony

525
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: Ridge caused problem or not. Does that worry you because

526
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: there is clearly a drug problem. That's fifteen kids gone.

527
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: Yes, no, and that is very, very disturbing. I would

528
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: I haven't done the research. This is all new to

529
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: me as it is to you. Uh, And I haven't

530
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: done the research to see. Okay, how out of line

531
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: is that with uh, with other schools in the Houston

532
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: district that are of this size. And I don't know

533
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: the answer to that, but it seems high to me. Uh.

534
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: When you say fifteen kids lost their lives over a

535
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: drug overdose, that's uh, that's not not something that anyone

536
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: likes to hear, right, Can you with me for just

537
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: a moment? Sure? Absolutely?

538
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: Are you exhausted?

539
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: No? No, I'm good. Brother.

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00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: Well we started you would kind of chuckle at the

541
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: beginning of an answer, and now you just sort of

542
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: sound worn down. Is this the hard you worked in

543
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: a long All?

544
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Speaker 2: Right?

545
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Hold on, what that