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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: How much time do you get to spend out in

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Speaker 2: the wilds. I don't know, in a duck blind or

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Speaker 2: I don't know, just in the stomping around in the woods.

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Speaker 3: Much as possible, Like I got woods around my house.

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Speaker 3: I love the fly fist, So I'll grab my fly

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Speaker 3: rod three or four mornings or evenings a week and

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Speaker 3: get out for an hour or two out out in

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Speaker 3: these little little slews and things like that. And We're

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Speaker 3: about to do an expedition with our kids program in Colorado,

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Speaker 3: so I'll be out in the mountains then. And I

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Speaker 3: don't go as much as I like because I'm in

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Speaker 3: the media business and that means I'm in front of

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Speaker 3: a computer screen a lot. But man, every time I

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Speaker 3: get especially with my family, I try to hit the woods.

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Speaker 2: And how do you when you're investigating these big Bigfoot claims,

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Speaker 2: Bigfoot sightings, how do you balance let's say, the need

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Speaker 2: for some kind of scientific rigor with, let's face it,

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Speaker 2: the inherently speculative nature of investigating a cryptid like Bigfoot.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question, you know. You know, one of

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Speaker 3: the things I try to do is just I captured

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Speaker 3: the story. So whatever I'm being told, if it's an

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Speaker 3: eyewitness account, I get their story in there, whatever they

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Speaker 3: perceived of what happened. And then a lot of times

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Speaker 3: that's all it is, is just compiling those things together.

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Speaker 3: And then I see a pattern form, and that's really

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Speaker 3: what I look for, patterns. And the cover of the

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Speaker 3: book you can see the bigfootsalut dot com. The cover

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Speaker 3: of the book has a gray colored creature crossing the road,

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Speaker 3: and that came from a pattern. When I first published

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Speaker 3: a book that exists till now, of no less than

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Speaker 3: five sightings within about a ten mile stretch of road,

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Speaker 3: three of those sightings were in front of the same

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Speaker 3: sign free social media. Didn't know one another, and they

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Speaker 3: all said they just saw this thing, a great colored

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Speaker 3: bigfoot crossing in front of the Nickels Creek sign. And

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Speaker 3: so when I see a pattern like that emerge, that's

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Speaker 3: really what I look for. And then I start kind

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Speaker 3: of chipping away at that and asking questions. But things

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Speaker 3: like that got me interested in this to begin with.

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Speaker 3: You know, I tell I put what people see here experience,

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Speaker 3: and then when I dig deeper into a topic, I

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Speaker 3: just look for those patterns, and sometimes you find nothing,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes you find some like this weird gray bigfoot

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Speaker 3: phenomenon of all these sighting in one place, you know.

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Speaker 2: Uh, any instances of hoaxing or deliberate misinformation within the

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Speaker 2: bigfoot research community. If so, how do you how do

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, there's there's been a ton of that over

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Speaker 3: people have a place they can put it out there

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Speaker 3: really easily, you know, and navigating it's interesting. So when

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Speaker 3: I if I go out and I've done an investigation,

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Speaker 3: I have never one time announced I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: an investigation. I've had major media covered reports fairly near

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Speaker 3: I don't care about that. I'm more interested in that

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Speaker 3: person that's not looking for media attention, and that's Hey,

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Speaker 3: I saw something strange. I think I might have seen

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Speaker 3: a big So here's what I saw. Because I've noticed

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Speaker 3: that there's kind of an increase in people wanting notoriety

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Speaker 3: any kind of notoriety, because unfortunately that's become a thing.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, people can back engineer reports. You know,

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Speaker 3: twenty years ago, no one unless you experienced it, probably

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Speaker 3: Did you mention?

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Speaker 2: Do you just say glyphs like where they take Bigfoot

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Speaker 3: Well, I know that I've seen stuff before where they

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Speaker 3: they would like the corn was raked with the stick,

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Speaker 3: you know, stuff like that. It's really interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 2: One of the strangest accounts I think over the years,

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Speaker 2: and I've been doing this quite a while, involving bigfoot

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Speaker 2: all of the details, but claimed that at night some

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard that one, but I have heard of

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Speaker 2: What about law enforst law enforcement? Do you do you

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Speaker 2: have any eyewitness accounts from highway patrol or I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I have a law enforcement officer who reaches out to

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Speaker 3: me about every six months here in Texas, and multiple

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Speaker 3: It's because I think embarrasses some people. But if you

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Speaker 3: necessarily give their identity out There are a lot of

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Speaker 3: just skepticism. There are a lot of people who are

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Speaker 2: Obviously, still a huge stigma with reporting this sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Do you think everyone talks about UFO disclosure? Do you

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Speaker 3: I think as soon as full on you know, obviously

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Speaker 3: I do think there's something to this more than just

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Speaker 3: and there are thousands. So I think if there is

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine that there isn't some a federal, state, provincial,

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Speaker 2: Any advice for aspiring researchers or enthusiasts who are, let's say,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this question because you know it gets

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Speaker 3: thing you need to do is learn what native wildlife is,

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Speaker 3: what the track of a black bear, the front pallpad,

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Speaker 3: then when you go start if you want to like

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Speaker 3: I'm investigating unique wildlife phenomenon. Is anyone here or have

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Speaker 3: they'll say, well, there was just one time I was

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Speaker 3: So kind of keep a low profile. Learn about the

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Speaker 3: native wildlife first, get an appreciation of that, and then

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Speaker 3: go into areas where there have been you know a

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Speaker 3: lot of reporters as the BFRO database at gcbrea database

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man. So there was a lady I interviewed, and

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Speaker 3: And it was pulled down and she heard rumbling up there.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing you have over the years developed a pretty

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Speaker 3: Call it a big one? Off the start off, and

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Speaker 3: she never we went into this little community because someone

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Speaker 3: was very sincere about it. Didn't call it a big

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Speaker 2: What do you hope readers and enthusiasts are going to

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Speaker 3: You know? I hope that they come away with a

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Speaker 3: And if what I said, if one of these reports

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Speaker 3: even a little bit spooky. That's what I want to

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Speaker 2: Do you, knowing what you know and having heard those

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. I don't go into the woods

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Speaker 3: we truly don't know all about them. So carry a

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