WEBVTT - Mark Moss and Ryan Daniel Moran talk Bitcoin and more 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.000 Ryan Ran, Daniel Moran, thanks so much for joining me today. UM. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:08.320 This is a very long overdue UM interview. I'm excited 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.120 for this conversation. I've been a big fan of yours 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:12.840 for a long time and I've been watching my stuff, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:14.200 so I love it when it comes together like that. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.000 A couple of things that I want to talk about 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.480 just for the audience. Uh one. Uh. You have been 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.439 on a mission helping people create businesses and create like 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.439 financial freedom for themselves, branding and stuff like that, and 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:26.680 I want to talk to you about that because I 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.960 see this massive opportunity of the market that I want 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.200 to kind of move into and I want to talk 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.680 about that. And then I know you want to talk about, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:34.240 you know, some of the bigger things in the world, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.040 that comic form and the direction that the world is 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:40.000 going and things like that. Yeah, of course we're gonna 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.080 We're gonna talk about that. So so let's start there. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.520 And the reason why I want to start there is because, um, 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.639 I think when it comes to business and branding and 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.239 you know, how do I take care of my own 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.680 personal finances, I have to navigate the bigger piece of 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.560 what's going on in the world and the reason why 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.320 I say that is my story was I started buying 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.200 bank on repos in the from the banks, fixing and 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.640 flipping homes made a bunch of money. I started a 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.080 couple of different businesses. Um, he's selling e commerce. Uh 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.760 In In two thousand one, doing e commerce was not easy. Um. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.520 I started a medical equipment business, fortunate Exits. UM. But 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.480 I sold everything and I was all in on real 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.360 estate in southern California. And in two thousand and eight, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.920 when the great financial crash happened, it didn't work out 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.240 very well for me. Uh, let's just say it actually 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.160 hurt worked out very bad. And and the reason why 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.160 I want to start that story is because there was 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.800 external forces like this global financial system that I wasn't 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.680 paying attention to that affected what I was doing in 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.400 my micro view of my businesses. And so UM, I 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.080 now trying to learn from my mistakes. I try to 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.200 keep a picture on the whole geopolitical picture, so then 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.200 I can navigate within that perfect sense it made, that 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.040 makes perfect sense, I think. I think that's the healthy balance, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.720 that is the appropriate balance to strike. Whereas a lot 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.520 of our peers are absolutely obsessed with the macro story 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.200 and I happened to think that they're very, very long. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.920 There's a very pessimistic view of the macro story, and 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.480 I think it's the wrong view. Whereas, if you're going 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:08.520 to be an entrepreneur, if you're going to be a 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.760 successful business owner, you have to keep the optimistic view 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.720 you have. The macro story is always optimistic. There's more 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.240 abundance today than there was twenty years ago, and that 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.640 is that is there's an alignment with the entire story 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.399 of capitalism. Ever since the seventeen hundreds, when capitalism took 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.840 over in what are now First world countries, we have 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.480 a consistent trend of growth, of solving problems, of more abundance, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.320 and that hasn't changed. And so where I see a 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.400 lot of our peers getting it wrong is that they 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.640 have a very pessimistic view on the overall climate and 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.840 the overall opportunity, Whereas I think we have more opportunity 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.920 than ever. Okay, so there's there's a lot to unpack there, 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.959 and a lot of this is gonna be speculation, But 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.119 here's here's where I would I would go. So, first 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.960 of all, yeah, you cannot be an entrepreneur without being optimistic, absolutely, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.960 and I know you work with a lot of would 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.680 be aspiring entrepreneurs and I have the family. I talked 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.080 to you about ideas, and a lot of times they're like, yeah, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.000 but this bad thing is gonna happen, and this bad 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.000 thing is gonna happen, right, And I'm like, yeah, all 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:08.760 that will happen, and I don't care, right, And so 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.480 if you're not optimistic, you just you can't start a business. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.720 So right up to Bab, I would also say, just 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.840 to kind of set some frame on this is that 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.320 I have said many times and I still believe. I 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.120 am super bullish on what happens when millions of entrepreneurs 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.959 backs are against the wall. No joke, no joke. And 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.519 first of all, and second of all, the only back 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.600 you need to have against the walls you're oup because 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.760 because it's a there's so much abundant, so much that 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.040 is available to entrepreneurs that if you manage your focus 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.520 and your mindset and your habits, you can't not win. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.840 But you're absolutely right that the world changes reeled aren't 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.400 fast when you've got millions of them against the wall. Yeah. Uh, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.280 that's where I would disagree just a little bit. Back 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.600 to my original story, Like I was focused on myself. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.600 I ran my business is really well. I was really 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.280 good at making money. But there were external forces that 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.560 that that affected me that I didn't see. So that's 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.480 kind of where I didn't that put your back against 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.760 the wall. Didn't that set back make you put your 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.080 back against the wall? And the Yeah, I had to 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:14.240 die or survive, right, And you want you want big man? Yeah, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:15.560 and I and I and I and I did well. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.359 I did well. You know, I knew how to make money. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.560 I just had to figure out this new this new environment. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.480 But let's let's talk about So let's start with this 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.960 big picture. So a couple of things. Um One, you know, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.360 if we go back to sevent hundreds and and all 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.440 the way forward, and you know, just looking at modern 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.920 history called the last seventy eight years, you know, obviously 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.320 there's been financial crashes all the time, the dot com 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.320 boom and the two eight boom and all these things. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.800 But I would say that typically I would frame that 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.400 up as saying that, um, yeah, the crash has happened, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.000 but the leaders, the powers that be whoever, um have 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.320 typically wanted things to get better. So things crashed. But hey, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.920 let's fix it. Uh, let's make things better and let's 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:58.240 keep progressing. And what I'm mostly concerned with in terms 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.960 of the world, like I'm mac FORIM and and global 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.160 ISB and so forth, is I believe we're at a 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.080 point now in time where the global leaders actually don't 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.560 want things to improve, they actually want them to get worse. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.000 And so let me let me give you a couple 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.799 of points on that. So, for example, the energy crisis 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.919 that we're in globally right, so, um, they do not 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.440 want to manage for human flourishment. They're trying to actually 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:26.400 destroy human flourishment. They believe that any impact of the world. Well, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.160 it's it's not I mean, this is all written down. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.080 It's not speculation at all. We can go we can 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:31.640 on the end of a second, I would challenge that, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.479 but we can go into that deeper. So so we 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.240 can go into that. So um, it's it's it's all, 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.640 it's all written down. And so like them trying to 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.400 shut down farms in uh in uh Holland, or like 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.840 what they did in Sri Lanka, or what they've done 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.280 in Europe right by shutting down their own energy sources, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.800 and now depending on Russia, all these situations that that 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.919 these are man made situations and so and then and 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.040 then we can talk about you know, the financial system 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.960 and so um. Like at a time when like the 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.080 buses like heading for a cliff and we can see 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.560 that there's a master and we would hope the leaders 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.640 would maybe hit the brakes or turn the wheel. They're not. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.600 And so that's the one thing that I try to 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.159 keep in mind. I find a flaw in your logic. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.240 May I explain? Yeah? Please? I mean that's what we're 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.120 here for. So so the way that that I heard 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.280 you describe that is you told the story and then 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.159 you listed the evidence for that. And when you have 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.440 a story of where you think the world is going 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.520 or what the agenda is for a group of people, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.599 you can usually twist facts in order to find that 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.880 they meet the story. If you loved Trump, you were 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.200 able to forgive a whole lot of things that conservatives 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:40.000 would usually overlook. If you correct, yes, and you can 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.200 change the story. If you hated Trump, you can twist 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.359 any of his words to sound racist. Put it on 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.000 a headline listed on CNN dot com, and it goes 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.080 vicrel So we can all find a way to match 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.640 the beliefs that we already have. And I don't have 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.560 the same story as you, so I interpret information a 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.279 little bit differently. I don't have the story that the 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.560 powers that be want to destroy opportunity. But I we 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.520 both lived through two thousand seven and two thousand eight. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.800 Some of us were old enough to live through the 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.960 crash in the early two thousand's, and at that time 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.920 there was also a similar story. There's a similar story 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.480 that this time the powers that be want there to 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.800 be a crisis. And you had stories about nine eleven. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.320 You had stories about the Great Recession and how this 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.400 benefited a small group of people that had a financial 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.760 incentive for this to happen. If you believed that overall story, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.440 that there was a desire for things to go haywire, 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.800 then you could find confirmation bias in order to support 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.520 that theory. You made the mention that you see, in 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.200 the past, we had leaders who wanted things to get better. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.400 I mostly agree, and I see that today now. So 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.640 I just think that your original thesis of things tending 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.520 to get better applies to today and that this time 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.840 is not different. Does that make sense? Yeah, But let's 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.280 let's put a couple of facts here to to talk 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.440 about instead of the speculation. So for example, um, I've 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.760 used a chart before. I don't have an handy here, 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.559 but kind of like an ORG chart of the world. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.080 And so you have at the top the b i 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.080 S the Bank of International Settlements, and then you have 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:11.280 the I m F. And then you kind of have 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.240 the policymakers down below, which would include the World Olcoming Forum. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.200 And then down below you have the policy enforcers which 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.440 are like the governments. You have the w HR, all 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.040 those things, and then you have the governments and of 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.120 the people right say this ORG chart and so we 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:23.560 we know this to be true. So we have like 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.600 Mark Karney, arguably the most connected person in the world. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:29.880 He worked both at the Bank of England the Bank 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.160 of Canada. He's a special Envoy to the u N 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.719 special advisor to the World Coming Forum, probably arguably the 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.400 most the most connected person there right is the most 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.839 connected and most evil men in the world. Why which 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.160 I have a fund debating those people, but please go on, well, well, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.199 certainly he is, and we'll talk about that as well. Um, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.400 now I don't I don't believe in this like kind 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.480 of a conspiracy theory world where there's like one small 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.559 group of people that pull all the strings on the 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.280 way that I look at it is that, Um, I 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.480 look at it like a flock of birds, um. And 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.640 you see these birds fly in this formation. It wasn't 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.360 like Hey Larry, you go over there, and hey John, 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:06.800 you go over there. It's like they just kind of 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.839 birds of a feather flock together, so to speak. Right, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.600 And so a lot of these people grew up reading 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.520 the same books, going to the same schools, attending the 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.280 same things. They think alike, and they're all moving independently. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.000 So I'm not I don't think there's just like five 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.559 people in a room that have controlled the world for 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.280 a hundred years. But anyway back to this point. So 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.320 so like a Mark Harney, super influential. He wrote a 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.960 book called Values, and I believe in reading going directly 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.600 to the source so there's not speculation, and read exactly 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.280 what he said. And uh. In that book he says that, look, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.200 the world is not going to be better. The world 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.200 won't be better, the world will be worse. Um, in 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.160 the future, you won't be driving, you won't be flying, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.040 you won't be eating meat. He said that any company, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.760 any any businesses that don't go along with e st 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:49.760 mandates will be quote economic road kill, So there will 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:51.360 be no funding that will go to that, and we're 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.560 going to push that agenda. So that's what he said. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.960 The world won't be better, it will be worse the world. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.000 You won't be traveling, you won't be driving, you won't 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.120 be flying. So this is in are from from the 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.160 guy who's arguably one of the most influential people in 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.360 the world, wrote it in his book. That's his plan. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.480 That's his plan. Now we can go to Klaus Schwab 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.480 who's also let's let's let's let's impact this a little 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.000 bit sure, because when you say that's his plan, what 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.439 do you mean, Well, this is what he's written, This 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.040 is his vision for the world, and this is visions. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:23.239 Are these predictions, because that's a very important distinction. Well, Uh, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.520 as as an entrepreneur, you would know that we create 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.040 our future, right, so we set a goal and we 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.080 work towards becoming that becoming a reality. Now there's is 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.600 not the same as no, it's not it's not a prediction. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.000 It's a goal and it starts with uh, it started 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.560 it starts with actually was in the seven in the 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.760 in the seventies from the u N, which was what 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.040 was called Sustainable Development Goals SDGs UM that have now 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.200 been transformed in UM now Klaus Schwab has has has 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.200 kind of changed them to the seventeen goals now which 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.800 the SDGs are now E s G. So it's kind 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.440 of changed a little bit. But these are goals that 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.280 have been written in stone from the u N, from 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.400 you know, for the last thirty forty years. So your 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.920 your statement was about was about Mark wasn't market was 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.199 about his goals specifically. So we have a very strong 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.640 distinction that I unfortunately can't speak about this person specifically 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.200 because I'm not familiar with this person. But there is 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:22.240 a distinction between having a goal of not driving, of 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.000 not flying, of not eating meat, and a prediction of that. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.200 But I would say that if those are his goals, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.280 he's failing miserably because E s G has been a 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.640 massive failure. You now have funds that are anti E 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.600 s G. They will not invest in companies that fall along. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.160 That's our that's our opportunity, and I want to I'm 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.319 gonna definitely talk about that. I believe as entrepreneurs we 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.679 can sway the outcome and that's where I have hope. Um, So, 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.760 what we have to understand any capitalism and markets always 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.040 self correct. So if you do, if you did have 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.240 E s G that you found to be exploitive, then 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.440 now there's funds that are going in that direction. In 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.520 E s V investment. E SG investments have been mostly negative, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.199 they've been mostly failures, even if there is an agenda 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.000 to push that, they're they're failing, miserable. Yeah, so I 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.480 so I agree with those points that it's failing. I 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.600 believe it will fell because I have hope and I 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.440 believe it's I believe it's capitalism and entrepreneurs that will 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.920 be the ones to change always. So I agree with you. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.000 But what but what I want to highlight is that 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.120 there is a real force going in this direction. I 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.120 believe because I'm optimistic that we will overcome and push 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.480 back and win. But we still have to understand in 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.520 a debate, you have to understand both sides, and so 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.640 we have do have to understand there are people who 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.920 are very powerful and connected to have an agenda to 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.160 push us in this direction. You meant you mentioned Mark 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:40.760 and if I'm not familiar with, so I can't I 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.560 can't discuss what he standing but a couple. But part 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:44.959 of the part of the thing is if you don't 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.360 know who he is, then that's a big blind spot 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:49.960 because like I said, he's arguably one of the most 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.920 powerful people in the world. I can get I would 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.360 be happy to give you this point, but once again, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.680 if that is his agenda, he's failing miserably. And second 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.680 of all this oftentimes our peers will lump predictions in 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.200 with goals, and now I since I'm not familiar with them, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.719 I can't comment on the argument for them being one 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.600 or the other. But well, a lot of times people 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.840 go in the direction of the World Economic Forum or 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.360 the UN agenda. They are talking about things as if 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:23.120 they are goals and agendas rather than being a prediction. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.680 For example, the most common when the entire World Economic 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.760 form argument is often founded in this idea of you 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.320 will own nothing and be happy. And this quote is 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.360 attributed to Ka Schwab, but he's never said it, Like 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:35.760 if you want to google it, if you want to 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.400 find it, it's interesting rabbit hole because it's not there. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.480 And if it came out of a story by Ida 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.200 whatever her name was, I know where that is. But but, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.560 but but trying to stick on this topic for a minute. 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.959 So let's let's say, uh, these are goals or these 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.880 are plans and goals, and so we can see them 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.800 playing taking places. So these are aligned with the world 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.800 that comic form wills and these are listed on their website. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.640 These not conspiratorial and so we can see they're already 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.920 in place. For example, Uh, ICE internal combustion engine cars 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.240 are to be phased out in most parts of the 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.320 world in the next five years and certainly in the 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.000 next eight and so this is a plan that they 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.320 want to phase out ICE vehicles. Now part of that 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.360 plan also includes, um not really having cars anymore. Instead 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.120 of all these manufacturers making individual cars, they make fleets 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.320 of cars. And these fleets of cars are like autonomous 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.080 self driving. And so in the story she talked about 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.600 she kind of highlighted this. But I have a car 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.000 that shows up and it takes me where I want 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.960 to go. Story that Yeah, I mean, she she talks 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.960 about it. But you can see all of this in policy. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.360 And so this was a fiction piece, right, Martin. I know, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.680 I know what it is, but you're you're describing it 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.880 as if it is an agenda. It was a fiction piece, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.280 but there's laws on the books. Every nation has already 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.120 put out a goal of getting rid of ice vehicles 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.440 by certain dates for example, or getting too net zero 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.560 or or whatever it is, or getting rid of fossil fuels. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.680 So these are dates and these are goals that they 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.840 have said. You are are you making the correlation that 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.440 the governments are in step with a fiction piece written 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.480 by a member of the Danish parliament. Push push that 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.320 to the push push push that that article to the side. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:14.960 I don't even care about that. I'm talking about actual 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:19.560 policies that have been place, and the objective of getting 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.320 rid of fossil fuel use it's a big one. Yeah, okay, yeah, 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.640 you see this as a negative for society. So uh well, 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.800 so if the goal is for us not to be 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:35.240 traveling anymore by car by plane, and we have actual 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.160 policies that have been set, like I said, getting rid 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.160 of automobiles for example, restricting our ability to travel, which 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.240 he said that that's the goal in the book, and 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.440 we already have policies going into place to do that. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:51.760 So for example, um, we have now carbon trackings uh uh, 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.360 scores that are being put through with master Card on 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.400 credit cards, they're trying it with banks with CBDCs, and 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.920 of course that's written on the on the book. So 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.480 of of these goals of of these multilational companies like 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.320 the World Coming Forum. So these are their policies and 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.800 their goals to get us to this end result of 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.440 this net it's whose goals to get us to not 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:16.760 drive and not Cloud Schwab, Mark Karney. Um, Okay, give 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.400 me an example of where Cloud Schwab has said that 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.360 this is their agenda. Because I think you're you have 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.520 confirmation bias here because you started that sentence by saying 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.040 it's that is their goal. It's not. It's not confirmation bias. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.960 When they have an agenda to get to net zero 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.920 by a certain date, then you have to go, well, 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:36.920 how do they think that we'll get there? So any 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.320 goal without a plan is just a dream. So a 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.840 goal must have a plan. So then they have a 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:45.160 plan and they spell it out, right, they spell it out. So, um, 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.480 having to restrict movement, cut down on carbon on airplanes 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.440 and cars is part of those steps that get us 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.920 to that end goal. Now we can talk about if 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.200 we have achieved there. So like Vanguard has abandoned their 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.960 zero goal, right, So like I believe it will fail, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.560 But that doesn't change the fact that these aren't written 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.240 stated goals that they're working towards. Okay, there's I feel 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.760 like a mosquito at a nudest colony. There's so many 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.040 things to look at and discover and to go in, 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.240 and I don't know quite where to start. So let's 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.600 let's start here. If the goal is to be carbon 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.760 net zero by a certain date, we both agree the 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.159 marketplace will get there faster than governments ever can. You 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.720 don't need to have a removal of travel and a 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.560 removal of vehicles in order to achieve that. The marketplace 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:37.040 is already doing that at unprecedented speed. No, yes it is. Well, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.199 so I'm for free markets, so I agree with you. However, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.760 their goals are unrealistic and unattainable, and the only way 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.480 to achieve those goals is not through technology. We don't 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.600 have the technology for that. The only way to achieve 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.000 those goals is to actually stop doing I don't agree. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.399 I simply don't agree, and I don't think we we 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.280 We don't need a technology to achieve net zero in 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:03.520 seven years. We're very quickly getting there. We are very 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.959 quickly advancing that technology. I mean what technology as we 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:14.440 sit here, nuclear fusion just became Did you change did 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.520 you did you read did you read into that? Though? 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.000 That was a big piece, that was a big PR piece. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.840 The technology is still far off, but it was many 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.560 decades bring many decades away from that. I don't know 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.760 that it's many decades. I mean, if you look at 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:33.080 the speed of change, even with electric vehicles, we would 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.760 never have predicted that we were here by now. We 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:41.040 never would have. Yes, electric vehicles are basically a PR 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.280 stunt as well. They make up a small percentage and 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.720 they're not scalable. We we can't produce batteries. We don't 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.360 have the battery technology to do that. And that's why 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:54.440 a big part of Elon's vision is solar. And solar 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:58.320 is also uh not going to work, very very very simple. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.360 This this this, this is not this is not really debatable. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.280 So in order to have wind or solar, you have 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.719 to have wind and so wind and sun and so 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.760 what you can easily do And I have a chart. 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.400 I let's see if I can pull it up while 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:13.800