1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to woke f with me Danielle Moody. Over the 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: last few weeks, I've been featuring a number of fantastic 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: artists whose work is being showcased at the Shed Cultural 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Center this summer in New York as part of their 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: open Call program. This week, I am proud to present 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: the final artists in our series, Troy Anthony, creator of 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: the Revival. It is our duty? What is the Revival? 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: And why is it our duty? Troy's project centers around 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: the true history of Juneteenth and the importance of struggle, surrender, 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: and salvation. Through his spoken word presentation, one that he 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: refers to as a sermon, Troy urges a return to 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: the original significance of Juneteenth, which you will hear him 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: explain in our conversation. I wanted to share our entire 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: half hour conversation in commemoration of Juneteenth to let you 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: hear his passion and insight into this historic remembrance. As 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Juneteenth becomes a federal holiday, one that has rapidly become 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: commodified by corporations, I hope you will listen closely to 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: Troy's words and become part of the revival. After all, 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: it is our duty Troy. You refer to this as 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: not a performance but as a service. So let's start there, 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: Because when I think about a revival, I keep talking 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: about the time that we are living in right now 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: as an opportunity to reimagine this country, this world, that 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: oftentimes when we're at a space where things are breaking open, 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: that it is an opportunity for us to create new space. 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: And so talk to us about what the revival means 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: and why that title. Yes, so I'm from the South. 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: I grew up in Louisville, Kentucky, and I grew up 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: going to these kind of revival services, sometimes actually intense 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of my neighborhood. And when I was 31 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: looking for something that met this moment, I was trying 32 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: to remember about like times or spaces that I've been 33 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: in that helped me move from you know, point A 34 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: to point B point A being like if I was 35 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: in a place of like deep pain, something that moved 36 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: me to joy, or if I was in a place 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: of like not being able to see the way forward, 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: that moved me to you know, seeing a clearer path. 39 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: And Church has always been that for me. And also 40 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: like the Christian context that I grew up in does 41 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: not necessarily feed my spirit in the same way. So 42 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: I aim to dissect, like what is a revival service? 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: How what is the what is the technology that's being 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: used in that service that gets us from point A 45 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: to point B? And I found that like all that 46 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: it really is are these songs that are helping us 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: like hold space for our own journey. And so when 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: I titled it the Revival, it's about coming back to ourselves. 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: It's about finding a path to salvation, and salvation being 50 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: about collective liberation. So there are three parts to a revival. 51 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: There's it's usually about struggle, about surrender and salvation. Those 52 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: are the themes. And so I've said, okay, well, we're 53 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: going to honor our struggle. We've been through so much 54 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: in the past year and a half and beyond and 55 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: beyond and beyond, you know, so we're going to honor that. 56 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: And how do we honor that? That's been a big 57 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: question for me. And then it's like what does it 58 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: mean to be in this moment where we're trying to 59 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: come back, where we are trying to take all the 60 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: lessons that we've learned and apply them somehow to our lives, 61 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: Like what does it mean to honor this moment? What 62 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: does it mean to surrender to this moment? And then 63 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: how do we find a path to salvation through collective liberation. 64 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: That's what the revival aims to do. And I also 65 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: think I harp on this thing that it's not a performance, 66 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: because so much about theater and art has turned into 67 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: like this thing that we consume, yes, other than the 68 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: thing that we like sit with or that helps us process. 69 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: And so I'm just asking people to engage with the 70 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: essentially the concert in a in a different way. You know, 71 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: that's interesting because I think you know to your point 72 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: and understanding your background, having grown up in the South 73 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: and having grown up in the church, is the idea 74 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: that you know, when you go to service, it is 75 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: not a passive experience. You're not just sitting there and 76 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: allowing the preacher and the choir to just wash over you. 77 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: It is a spiritual engagement. It's an entanglement of sorts 78 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: right about how you open up or a close to 79 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: the experience and that you're having. I want to go 80 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: back to the three parts that you laid out, the struggle, 81 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: the surrender, and the salvation. You know, it was funny 82 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: because when you said the surrender piece, like my neurons 83 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of lit up, because every day I post some 84 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: type of like quote on my Instagram, and yesterday was 85 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: about surrender and it was about surrender being not a 86 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: giving in but a letting go. Yes, and you know, 87 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: and I posted it and folks are just like, yes, Amen, 88 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: that's it, this is what we're talking about. And so 89 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: you know, walk me through for you with this piece 90 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: what it means to surrender, because we understand the struggle 91 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: part all too well, right, we understand the generational struggle, 92 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: We understand what the struggle of the past year of 93 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty into twenty twenty one for black people has 94 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: been in terms of struggle. But talk to us about 95 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: the piece about surrender and what that means and what 96 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: comes up for you. Yeah. So there's a big part 97 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: of the piece where I take people through how I 98 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: processed the murder of George Floyd and more specifically, actually 99 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: how I processed Brianna Taylor's death. Brianna Taylor is from Louisville, Kentucky. 100 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: She still has not seen justice, and I've been really 101 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: sitting with her as i've been writing this, and so 102 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: there's a part of surrender that is about like, I 103 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: have been through what I've been through, I've seen what 104 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: I've seen. I have control of what I have control over, 105 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: and this kind of like letting go and like and 106 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: letting whatever happens happens. Is that surrender moment and getting 107 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: there actually takes a lot of work. Yes, it's like 108 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: so hard to let go, right, and then when you 109 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: think about all the things that you need to allow 110 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: to happen. One of the things that I had to 111 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: do in this pandemic was I had to allow myself 112 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: to sit in rage. That's not an emotion that I 113 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: allow myself to sit in. But as soon as I 114 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: let myself just be mad, right, as soon as I 115 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: gave myself space to do that, I could continue my 116 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: grieving process. You know, I had to surrender to like, 117 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: oh I have there are some things about myself that 118 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't love, you know, and I just had to 119 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: sit with them and go, Okay, these things are here, 120 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: Like what can I do about them? Or I'm like wait, 121 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: like I've actually been holding onto all this shame, Like 122 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: why am I holding onto that? Like, let me surrender 123 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: and just let go of that, Like what am I 124 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: holding onto it for? So I think for me, this 125 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: pandemic has taught me a lot about how much I'm 126 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: not in control of, how much I actually don't have 127 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 1: agency over, and when I allowed that to exist next 128 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: to all the other things that I actually can do right, 129 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: when I surrender, that allows me actually to move forward 130 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: to something and to say what tools do I have? 131 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: So the Revival Service kind of asks us to sit 132 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: with that and also kind of provides us some tools 133 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: through music to kind of move us forward in that way. 134 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: You know, I have been talking so often on woke 135 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: app about well, one unlike you, my natural state is rage, 136 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: and so you know there are some people that might No, 137 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would actually say that about me. 138 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: My natural state is rage, and I have, you know, 139 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: through the pandemic, have been learning how to let go right. 140 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: That part of the process of trying to break things open, 141 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: and for my work, it is through politics, right, and 142 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: through letting people understand their power and responsibilities citizens of 143 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: this country right to be active and activate themselves. And 144 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: the part of doing that is, like James Baldwin had said, 145 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: is that the more conscious that you become about this 146 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: country the more enraged you are, right, particularly as black people, 147 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: and so, you know, do you feel as an artist 148 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: that in some essence there needs to be some struggle 149 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: and strife and that there is something productive about moving 150 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: through trauma to create something new. Somebody had shared that 151 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: thought on social media earlier this week, and I've been 152 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: sitting with it as a content creator, not as an artist, 153 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: but thinking to myself, can you create without there being 154 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: some type of conflict? I think, you know, conflict drives 155 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: a lot of art, you know, even in music, like 156 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: the way that I compose, like it's all about conflict 157 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: and resolution, tension and resolve. So that just exists, right, 158 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: and it doesn't for me like conflict doesn't have like 159 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: a bad thing, Like yes, sometimes the conflict is the 160 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: catalyst right for us to move through. I think the 161 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: thing that I have been sitting with is, you know 162 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: a lot of art that deals with trauma, especially black trauma. 163 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: It's like if it's a play, it's like you go 164 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: through the whole play. By the end of the play 165 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: you realize that, like, oh, trauma exists. For me, it's 166 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: about starting with the trauma and saying like, Okay, this exists, 167 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: and now I'm going to spend an hour and a 168 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: half on the path to healing, Like, how do we 169 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: work through this? It's the moving through that I'm interested 170 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: in right now, and I feel like we don't do 171 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: that enough. And then just what you said, when you 172 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: start to move through, then you can start to dream 173 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: and hope and build, you know, And it's like sitting 174 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: with trauma at the same time as being able to 175 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: activate our imagination about Okay, what will happen after I 176 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: burn it all down? Right, Like, those two things hand 177 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: in hand is actually what leads to our liberation. And 178 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: it's not one or the other. You have to have 179 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: them both. So I guess the short answer to your 180 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: question is yes, I think that conflict is a major 181 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: part of the equation. You know, I love what you 182 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: just said about being able to activate that kind of 183 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: dream space through the action of burning it all down 184 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: because you know, you realize and what I am starting 185 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: to understand is that when everything is in such complete disarray, 186 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: right when we're looking at we're living through a global 187 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: health pandemic, we are living through racial uprisings, there's like 188 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: a return and a resurgence of white nationalism. There is 189 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, this continuation of black trauma that is played 190 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: over and over again like horrible porn on cable news 191 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. When you see all of this happening, 192 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: there is like this pit that arrives and you see 193 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: all of the destruction that is happening. But through that 194 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: same time, it's just like, well, what happens if it 195 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: does all burn down? Like then what right? Like then 196 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: what right? Because through the mud comes the lotus flower, 197 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: through the ashes comes the phoenix. It's like, you can 198 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: imagine so much more, I think, in a place of 199 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: devastation because everything that you did know is no longer right, 200 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: everything that we kind of trusted, And I think the 201 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: thing about the pandemic, and you tell me if you 202 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: felt this way as well, is that we were living 203 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: in this false sense of security, right that something's a 204 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: catastrophic global event couldn't possibly ever happen. That's something that 205 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: we see in sci fi. It's something that we read 206 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: in books, or something that happened to Central Ago, right 207 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: with the Spanish flu. So there's something that is very 208 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: unsettling now about collective trauma, Like it's not just black trauma. Yes, 209 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: our community experienced it differently and more so. But there's 210 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: something about the collection of this trauma. How do you 211 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: think that we use that community space to build right 212 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: to move through? Like you're saying, this isn't a play, 213 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: and it isn't a performance. This is all of our lives. 214 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: But there is still a moving through that needs to 215 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: happen from this collective struggle. How do you imagine that 216 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: to come forth? Or does it? You know? I think 217 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: there is something about everyone having to grapple with the thing, 218 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, whether we were talking about racism or police 219 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: brutality or name and name and name, But there is 220 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: something about like, Okay, this is in front of all 221 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: of us and we all see it now, like what 222 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: are we going to do about it? And I think 223 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: there is something that has happened in this pandemic that 224 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: has and I'm not going to say an equalized year, 225 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: because I don't like it when people say that, but 226 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: there is something that kind of like allowed us to 227 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: name everything that we see on the table and agree 228 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: that all of these things are on the table right 229 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: so that now now we can work through together because 230 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: we have a common you know, we we see the 231 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: same thing, you know. Um so I and I think 232 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: that that that is a step, you know. And I 233 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: think now, because this is a collective problem, as you said, 234 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: everyone has a stake, and I think now we're at 235 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: the point we're trying to figure out, like, Okay, what's 236 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: my role? What what role do I play? And you know, 237 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: I worked at a place called Dreamyard, Um the dream 238 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: Yard Project in the Bronx. Actually just had my last 239 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: day a few weeks ago, but we do art and 240 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: social justice education. And when I first got there, the 241 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: first thing that we did as a learning community, as 242 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: a full staff was talk about the civil rights movement 243 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: and like how it worked. And one of the things 244 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: that really jumped out at me was I had this 245 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: narrative in my head that like all the black people 246 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: came together and had like one agenda and then that 247 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: one agenda was pushed through like with all the might, 248 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, actually, there was a lot of discourse, 249 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Like there were a lot of different ways of going forward, 250 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: which which is actually pretty obvious, Like there was a 251 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: lot of disagreement, but everybody did there. Everyone had a 252 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: common goal, even if they had different paths to getting there, 253 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: and it actually took everybody. There is no Martin without Malcolm, 254 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, like, and so I am interested in how 255 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: is everyone using their tactic toward this common goal to 256 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: tackle this thing that we all see on the table. 257 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: And I think we'll find our way there. That's just 258 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: my theory. You know, I wonder too. You know, the 259 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: ending right is about salvation, right, But everybody's idea of 260 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: salvation doesn't look the same. So when so even when 261 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, I listen to you saying, well, we have 262 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: this common goal, and I think that within the black community, 263 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: the common goal is to get free, right, But everybody's 264 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: idea of how we get free and what that freedom means, right, 265 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: it's different, right, And so I wonder for you with 266 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: this piece, what does salvation mean for you? The goal 267 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: of this piece is for people to go on a 268 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: personal journey in a collective space. Right. So I talk 269 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: a lot about the choir. Why is choir a lot? 270 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: And acquire your training to honor your individual voice and 271 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: also make this beautiful thing for it with everybody else 272 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: around you. And in the revival, we go through a 273 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: series of songs that really are about like what have 274 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: I gone through? How did I get here? What do 275 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: I need to let go of? But the end goal 276 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: is that you are able to see literally see how 277 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: everyone else is moving through their stuff. And my hope 278 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: also is that the takeaway from the revival is I 279 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: can't get free unless you are free, and you can't 280 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: get free unless I'm free. And so if our definitions whatever, 281 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: whatever I think it means for me to be free, 282 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: if it does not include you being free, that's not freedom, period. 283 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: And so it's trying to get people to say, oh 284 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: oh oh, like to move from a personal journey, right, 285 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: which is necessary, like we have to do work on ourselves, 286 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: but to move from what do I need to what 287 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: do we need? And specifically like you might need more 288 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: than I do, you might need something different, um, and 289 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: so how can I honor what you need? And and 290 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: think about what what can I do? And sometimes that 291 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: means what can What do I need to give up? Right? 292 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: What do I need to give up in order to 293 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: make sure you have what you need? Do you know? So? 294 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: I do I think that the Revival is going to 295 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: like solve all the problems? No, it's not. Its purpose. 296 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: The purpose is to to shift our our viewpoint, to 297 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: shift how we are showing up, how we are continuing 298 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: that you don't leave the same way that you came. 299 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: That you're able to do even a little bit of 300 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: work in that space with a bunch of other people 301 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: that hopefully radiates and radiates and radiates and radiates out 302 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: side of whatever happens in that twenty minutes. I love it, 303 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: your service. The revival will take place on Juneteenth. Yes, 304 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: so talk to us. I know the significance, but the 305 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: significance for you, the significance for why this Juneteenth. And 306 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: also I have another question, but I'll let you. I'll 307 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: let you answer this one first. It's about Juneteenth twenty 308 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: twenty and what we saw. What we saw? Yes, yes, 309 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: so I have actually like Juneteenth has been one of 310 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: those things that I it was like I kind of 311 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: understood it, like growing up. It wasn't something that like 312 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: my family like got together. Like when I think of Juneteenth, 313 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: I think of Texas, like I specifically think of black 314 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: people in Texas who really do the thing. But and 315 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: I did not grow up with like that kind of 316 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: history of Juneteenth. But especially last year when suddenly everybody 317 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: wanted to celebrate Juneteenth, it was just like we've always 318 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: done this, right, Oh yeah, Nike, you know everybody coming 319 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: up with the okay oh, okay um, but I actually 320 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: really focused, I really focused on it. I have a 321 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: really wonderful friend. Her name is Ava Um. She is 322 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: the director of education at BAM and also was like 323 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: my work wife at dream Yard for a period of time, 324 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: and she's joining me as a drama turk on this 325 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: piece she gave. She gives this Juneteenth presentation that like 326 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: literally shifted my everything because at the center of it, 327 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: she questioned all of the narratives that I grew up 328 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: with about Juneteenth about how it was about like, oh, 329 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: we learned of our freedom late, like everybody learned at 330 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: different times. It's like, no, actually, what Juneteenth is actually 331 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: about is how my ancestors lived rated themselves, how they 332 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: used you know, Lincoln's call to join the army to say, okay, great, 333 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm really gonna go and I'm really gonna take over 334 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: Richmond and then I'm gonna go to the outskirts and 335 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my kids and my and my wife 336 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: or like like and we and that history and lineage 337 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: of like, oh, like our country like needed to free 338 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: enslaved people because rebellions were real and like people were scared, 339 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: like our ancestors weren't just sitting around waiting for people 340 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: to free them, right, and books tell it that. His 341 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: books tell it yes. And I'm sermonizing. I literally give 342 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: a sermon in this piece, and this is what my 343 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: sermon is about, about how our ancestors are actually our 344 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: wildest dreams, Like if we've been looking for like in 345 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: a like people that really showed up for themselves, that 346 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: really figured out what collective liberation was, like what it 347 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: meant to really free yourself, like our ancestors did that, 348 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: and like we can also do that. We don't need 349 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: to wait around for someone to hand us anything. You know, 350 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: we have all of the agency, and I'm just giving 351 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: away the whole people. No, I know, you're making everybody 352 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: want to go show up, because that's what I'm sitting here, 353 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: and I'm saying to myself. You know, I have that 354 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: T shirt that says I am my ancestors wildest dreams, 355 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: and now you just like totally flipped it on its head, 356 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, Wow, you know when you 357 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: think about the narrative that we have been given, that 358 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: has been force fed to us about our lack right, 359 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: and I think about a people who created their own liberation, 360 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: their own rich rolls, their own everything, moving through bondage, 361 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: physical bondage, but allowing them like being spiritually free. And 362 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: that's the place that we're actually trying to get back to. 363 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: Now you just you twisted, you twisted my mind. Well, 364 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: I have to give credit where credit is due. A 365 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: lot of the things that I don't create anything by myself. 366 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: I like to really tell everybody that I try to 367 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: run away from this whole like the singular genius artists 368 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: like to me, that is ridiculous. And so that all 369 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: came out of intense conversation with Eva, and she was like, 370 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: this has been on my mind, you know, like how 371 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: our ancestors are wildest dreams. I was like, say that again. 372 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, please pause, what did you just say? You know? Um, 373 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: So every this whole piece has borne out of community 374 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: around my conversations with people. That's why I was like, 375 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: I need as many people involved in this as possible, 376 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: Like I need, I need, I need a choir of people, 377 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: Like everybody needs to bring their experience to this thing. 378 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: It's not about even like it's not even about like 379 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: just the shed presenting it. It's about like you know, 380 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: who are all the many people that came together to 381 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: make this thing happen, um, even though the shed is 382 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: giving it a beautiful home. UM. So yes, I think 383 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: collective liberation, our ability to free ourselves. Like that's that's 384 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: where we're going, That's what we're touching on. I really, 385 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean I I you know, one, I'm excited about 386 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: your performance kind and I am I'm totally going to 387 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: combine in every single one of you amazing open call artists. 388 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm it's like I'm coming. I'm just gonna live at 389 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: the shed, live at the shed and wait for everybody's 390 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: from here. But there is just something you know, you 391 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: can get caught. And I think from you know, for 392 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: myself in particular, because of the nature of the work 393 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: that is politics that has become so dark that I 394 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: entered it as a very hopeful bride eyed, you know, 395 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: wanting to believe that I could be this change maker 396 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: to now being like I hate all of this and 397 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to go like end to my plans 398 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: at like like just you know, listen to Gospel House. 399 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: But you know, I think about you know, the beauty 400 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: of art is to allow us to be able to 401 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: experience our trauma, be able to see it but then 402 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: also find joy and beauty in all of it. And 403 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: so I appreciate you so much. I appreciate this body 404 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: of work that you are bringing to people at a time. 405 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: And I know that it was delayed, right, it was 406 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: delayed because of the pandemic. Do you want to know 407 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: the truth. Yeah, The truth is that this was not 408 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: the original show that I pitched the Shed. I pitched 409 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: a different show called Antioch Mass that it was about 410 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: Peter and Jesus and their relationship and all the stuff, 411 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: and it was delayed actually kind of twice. So the 412 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: first time I was supposed to present in twenty nineteen, 413 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: but they were like, actually, we've programmed too many. Do 414 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: you want to go to twenty twenty eight? I was 415 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: like sure, we all know what happened in twenty twenty. 416 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: And I was also supposed to have the commission in 417 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: the theater, which is like this enclosed you know space, 418 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: and the place where we're presenting is is huge Blaza. 419 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I can't do that intimate piece in there. 420 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: And so this piece was born out of what has happened. 421 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: And I'm grateful to the Shed for allowing me that 422 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: flexibility because I was like, I can't, I can't do 423 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: that piece right now. I have to do something else. 424 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: And I also want to say Danielle that I hope 425 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: your inner change maker, that that light that you started 426 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: with it's still there. It is still there, obviously because 427 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 1: you're still talking. I know exactly so. And it's like, 428 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: we are the crazy. We're the crazy people that believe 429 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: change is possible. And I think that that is everything. 430 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: I think that's actually the thing. It is the thing, 431 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: because you know, if you're not crazy enough or hopeful 432 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: enough to believe that something can happen, then what then 433 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: that you can affect something? Then why would you get 434 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: out of bed? Right? I mean at least for at 435 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: least for me, I need to get out of bed 436 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: on purpose each and every day. And so, you know, 437 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: I feel that you are a kindred spirit. So Troy, 438 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: I could talk to you literally for the remainder of 439 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 1: the day. Your peace is the revival. It is our duty. 440 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: Tell people how they can follow you, how they can 441 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: see the performance on June nineteenth. Yes, the best way 442 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: to get information about the performance is to go to 443 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: the Shed's website. Um, there's a beautiful Open Call section. 444 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: You can read about all the open call artists that 445 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: are being presented, and also about my piece, the Revival 446 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: It Is Our Duty. It's all free, which I love. 447 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: It's like very accessible, really love free love, We love 448 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: free Love, free ninety nine Yes um. And to follow me, 449 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: go to my Instagram at Try Anthony Music. I get 450 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: yelled at a lot because I have a very minimal 451 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: digital presence, but Instagram is the place that I feel 452 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: comfortable and happy and you'll get the most of me there. 453 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: You can stream Troy Anthony's live presentation of the revival 454 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: It Is Our Duty the evening of June nineteenth at 455 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: the Shed dot org slash Open Dash Call Dash live stream. 456 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: If you're in or near New York, there's still time 457 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: to head downtown and see him live at the Shed 458 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: for free. 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