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Speaker 6: Thank you, it is so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sitting down with us. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having us in your home. We're excited to be here.
Speaker 6: Thank you both. I'm so happy to have you here.
Speaker 6: Thank you, and you do me great honor to be here.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: In twenty and thirteen, a blind date with your now husband, Doug.
Speaker 5: If you think back to that.
Speaker 1: Date and now we're here, did you ever imagine this
Speaker 1: was going to be the journey?
Speaker 6: No, I just have a really bossy best friend. It
Speaker 6: was a blind day, right, It was a blind day,
Speaker 6: and she called me up because she and her husband
Speaker 6: met him and got to know him, and then she
Speaker 6: just decided that this Mike cool work and said to me,
Speaker 6: just go out with once. Don't google him, just go out.
Speaker 5: With them, don't google them, just give it a shot.
Speaker 6: Right, and it turned out she was right in a
Speaker 6: very happy marriage. I'm very thankful.
Speaker 2: So where'd you guys go?
Speaker 1: Did you really eat or did you just do a salad?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: Did you really like.
Speaker 1: Us?
Speaker 6: So he came to pick me up kind of car
Speaker 6: BMW okay, okay. But here's the thing that was actually
Speaker 6: really funny in retrospect. I gave him the car and
Speaker 6: he says, I just need to tell you something, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, what's this gonna be? He said, I'm
Speaker 6: a really bad truck.
Speaker 5: Give you the heads up.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 6: So that's how it started. I guess he was just
Speaker 6: trying to create little expectations. And we went to what
Speaker 6: turned out to be his one favorite restaurant where everybody
Speaker 6: knows who he is. Oh yeah, so he could walk
Speaker 6: in and they were like, hey.
Speaker 2: Doug, uh.
Speaker 3: Bay Area girl born in Oakland. You grew up around
Speaker 3: the TMC times. Yeahs we hear you A big fan
Speaker 3: I am. And there was a rumor that you were
Speaker 3: in the stands when we were there, and we believe
Speaker 3: the era.
Speaker 6: I really we talk about it. Yes, yes, I do remember,
Speaker 6: I do. Okay. We want to say our warriors are
Speaker 6: always good whichever era, but that was a very special time.
Speaker 6: I mean it was electric, you guys, remember it was
Speaker 6: electric and everybody we would take bart to get there
Speaker 6: and just and go and it was just you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is the thing I love about sports
Speaker 6: in general. But I'm gonna say my Warriors, our Warriors,
Speaker 6: is that it really was about bringing like all kinds
Speaker 6: of people from around the Bear, and you know, the
Speaker 6: Bear is a mounting right all coming in and that team,
Speaker 6: I mean, you guys were like the best of the best, legendary, legendary.
Speaker 5: You know. It's funny not to cut you off.
Speaker 1: As I went back in twenty seventeen with Steph and
Speaker 1: Katie and those guys, and we won a championship right
Speaker 1: before I retired, but they all wanted to know about that.
Speaker 1: We believe the era and the energy around the city.
Speaker 1: And when I was there at the media was talking
Speaker 1: about it, the fans talking about it. As amazing as
Speaker 1: that team was and one of all the championships, they
Speaker 1: had a fascination and what we did.
Speaker 6: What was it like for you guys?
Speaker 3: For me, it was big for me because I had
Speaker 3: had some trouble two years before, so I needed to
Speaker 3: come into a situation where I needed to change, and
Speaker 3: it was blessing disguise for me. You know, I landed
Speaker 3: with a whole bunch of guys I knew. I landed
Speaker 3: with a coach that didn't judge me, that let me
Speaker 3: be me. We were able to make history. So it
Speaker 3: was a blessing for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think too. I mean, it was, it was,
Speaker 5: you know, it was.
Speaker 1: It was almost a melting pot of guys that you know,
Speaker 1: my career could have been over before it started. That's
Speaker 1: where I really first got my chance with Don Nelson,
Speaker 1: Like he said, he was coming off trouble. One of
Speaker 1: our other brothers, Baron Davis, was very talented but injuries.
Speaker 5: And didn't really know what was going on.
Speaker 1: So it just kind of felt like the Bay put
Speaker 1: their arms around us, like we were out in the streets,
Speaker 1: hanging out from San Francisco to Oakland to Richmond. Probably
Speaker 1: every club that they we were out race in the community.
Speaker 1: But I mean, one thing I'll say about the Bay
Speaker 1: Area fans is, like you said, you always want to
Speaker 1: say they were good, but there was times where they
Speaker 1: are terrible, but the support never waivered.
Speaker 5: You guys were so loyalty.
Speaker 6: I just I mean, first of all, loyalty as a
Speaker 6: general matter in life, I think is one of the
Speaker 6: most important. Growing up, my mother used to say, you
Speaker 6: got to have a code something, and you figure out
Speaker 6: what your code is. But loyalty and then loyalty to
Speaker 6: your team, right, I mean no fancy yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: Like some presidential water right here and.
Speaker 6: Your team, Like my husband and I have different teams.
Speaker 6: Well he's originally from Jersey, but he moved to la
Speaker 6: when he was a teenager, so most of his fans
Speaker 6: are Laka and so you know, depending on who's playing
Speaker 6: who and what time year. It's very like, really really
Speaker 6: like talking some serious smack.
Speaker 4: What's your feelings on all three of the teams out
Speaker 4: of Oakland? Now?
Speaker 6: It breaks my heart. Remember we used to have all
Speaker 6: of the best. We used to have all of them,
Speaker 6: you know, and you just drive by that area, you know,
Speaker 6: when I go to Oakland, when I go to the Barrier,
Speaker 6: and you know, you like Land at Oakland Airport and
Speaker 6: just past Coliseum. It is it breaks my heart. And
Speaker 6: good good teams.
Speaker 1: For us.
Speaker 3: I think as players when our time, were more worried
Speaker 3: about the workers and the people that were there, because
Speaker 3: that's who made us feel the workers every day we
Speaker 3: came in there. We saw those smiles, we got hugs
Speaker 3: by people actually from Oakland and to see them lose
Speaker 3: them jobs to.
Speaker 6: It's so right. It was part of the economic engine. Yeah,
Speaker 6: exactly exactly. And then the vendors and it was you know,
Speaker 6: and it was local folks, small businesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll definitely say, I mean, obviously we understand what
Speaker 1: that era and that team kind of did. They took
Speaker 1: the team to a new level and the business side
Speaker 1: kicked in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really did.
Speaker 5: I love where they're at.
Speaker 1: In San Francisco, beautiful stadium, but they'll never be anything
Speaker 1: like Oracle.
Speaker 4: Never.
Speaker 6: No, And I'm always going to think, you know, I
Speaker 6: mean Golden State War.
Speaker 4: That's what you think.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: I grew up Italian mom, Black dad, and was always
Speaker 1: very proud of my heritage until an incident I had
Speaker 1: in high school when I was seventeen, protected my little sister,
Speaker 1: someone called her some names. I did what the big
Speaker 1: brother did. I ended up getting trouble in the KKK,
Speaker 1: came to vandalize, nearly burned down my high school, and
Speaker 1: I knew at that point, Although I was very proud
Speaker 1: to be Italian and Black, that the world looked at
Speaker 1: me as a black man. You've always been secure in
Speaker 1: your idity who you are, But what do you feel
Speaker 1: or what do you think when you hear people kind
Speaker 1: of questioning just the fabric of who.
Speaker 6: You are, Well, one, I don't listen to it. I'm
Speaker 6: really clear about who I am and if anybody else
Speaker 6: is not, they need to go through their own therapy.
Speaker 6: That's not my My mother was very clear she was
Speaker 6: raising two black girls to be two prout, proud black women,
Speaker 6: and that was never it was never a question. You know,
Speaker 6: It's funny because over the years, journalists, some not most,
Speaker 6: will want to talk about it, and I say, okay,
Speaker 6: if you want to have this conversation, I'm prepared to
Speaker 6: have it, but sit down and get comfortable for a
Speaker 6: few hours. If you want to start talking about race
Speaker 6: in America, you want to talk about the one eighth rule,
Speaker 6: you want write, you want to talk about what it
Speaker 6: means in terms of who you are perceived to be
Speaker 6: and the impact that can have on the rest of
Speaker 6: your life, regardless of who you actually are, in terms
Speaker 6: of your god given capacity and the rights that you
Speaker 6: have and should have. So you know, I don't mess
Speaker 6: with that. I think that's other people trying to figure
Speaker 6: some stuff out that and they need they need, They
Speaker 6: got to deal with it.
Speaker 1: You've also been attacked having biological children, but you are
Speaker 1: a step mom and I'm a step father of I
Speaker 1: just had my seventh little boy two weeks ago, but
Speaker 1: I have three step children that are mine and being
Speaker 1: a dad was natural. Being a dad to my four
Speaker 1: sons was natural. But learning to navigate not wanting to
Speaker 1: step on toes. How do you earn the love and
Speaker 1: the trust? How did you earn Ella in Cole's love
Speaker 1: and trust? And how did you get the name Mamala?
Speaker 6: I'll start with this. I am a daughter of divorce parents.
Speaker 6: My parents were divorce when I was five, and just
Speaker 6: being very frank and handed with you, when Doug and
Speaker 6: I started dating, you know, his parents have been married
Speaker 6: over sixty years. I had to explain to him what
Speaker 6: it is like to be a child of divorce parents,
Speaker 6: and including that it was really important to me that
Speaker 6: I knew what he and my relationship would be before
Speaker 6: I formed a relationship with the kids, because that's just
Speaker 6: it's from my perspective and experience, not fair to the children.
Speaker 6: Because you know, children form attachments. So I was very
Speaker 6: intentional about waiting until I knew that, okay, this is
Speaker 6: a real relationship, before I got to know the kids,
Speaker 6: and then we became I mean, thick as thieves. And
Speaker 6: I love those children. They are my children. And you know,
Speaker 6: we talk about we have a modern family. And maybe
Speaker 6: the blessing that I have that not everyone has, although
Speaker 6: I think everyone should try and work on it, is
Speaker 6: I have a very close because it is a very
Speaker 6: respectful relationship with their mother.
Speaker 4: It's important, you know, and so.
Speaker 6: No, but it's not. But it's not. It is not,
Speaker 6: and you have to work at it. But you have
Speaker 6: to work at it. You'll be all right. Because here's
Speaker 6: the thing. Here's the thing that we have to remember.
Speaker 6: And I know we do and we feel, but we
Speaker 6: have to be intentional about it because the forces and
Speaker 6: the emotions will drag us from this point. The most
Speaker 6: important thing is that our kids grow up healthy. And
Speaker 6: you know, I think of the many things that we
Speaker 6: role model, probably the thing we role model the most
Speaker 6: that we don't realize is how to form healthy relationships.
Speaker 6: You know, we teached our kids how to drive. We
Speaker 6: will sit down and do homework with them. But one
Speaker 6: of the things we are teaching them every day, and
Speaker 6: we have to be intentionally. We will not be perfect,
Speaker 6: we will fall short, but it's how to develop healthy
Speaker 6: emotional relationships. One of the ways, especially in that dynamic
Speaker 6: when you're talking about my husband's ex wife, is how
Speaker 6: to be respectful. And I was very intentional about, for example,
Speaker 6: knowing that the kids, as they got to know and
Speaker 6: form relationship with me, would not want to feel like
Speaker 6: they were somehow being disloyal to their mother. And I
Speaker 6: knew that, and so I was very intentional about always
Speaker 6: making sure that I was clear with them that I
Speaker 6: would say things like, well, how does your mom do it?
Speaker 6: Love to cook? How does your mom to show me
Speaker 6: how you do it? And just and I think that's
Speaker 6: really important because you know, this is the thing that
Speaker 6: I think has become clear, especially as I'm now running
Speaker 6: for president, and these kind of conversations are becoming more prevalent,
Speaker 6: like what does it mean to be a stepparent? The
Speaker 6: people who don't get it are understanding is there a
Speaker 6: whole lot more of these kinds of relationships than people realize.
Speaker 2: It's not the nineteen fifty blended.
Speaker 6: Right it is. It is, and they're beautiful and it's
Speaker 6: a beautiful way to live, to build and grow your family.
Speaker 6: You know, I talk about it even in my speech
Speaker 6: at the convention. I have and I grew up with
Speaker 6: the family that is my family by blood and the
Speaker 6: family that is my family by love and sometimes and
Speaker 6: that's exactly right. That's exactly right. I think increasingly people,
Speaker 6: especially younger people, understand that right that there's the family
Speaker 6: you're born into it, and then there's the family you choose,
Speaker 6: and it's on you to make a decision about what
Speaker 6: you want and how you define your family. And you
Speaker 6: have the right to do that, you know.
Speaker 1: I tell Michael, I'm just an extra layer of support
Speaker 1: and protection. I'm not there to replace your dad. I'm
Speaker 1: not there to you know, I'm here to help in
Speaker 1: any way possible.
Speaker 6: And so Mamala came about because that because it's Kamala,
Speaker 6: and then it just got creative with it and it's Mamla.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, shifting a little bit of policy talk,
Speaker 1: and before we talk about policy, can you briefly explain
Speaker 1: because I think sometimes there's misconceptions of the power of
Speaker 1: the president or the power of the Vice President explain
Speaker 1: how a bill becomes a law.
Speaker 6: I believe that the best way the system works is
Speaker 6: when the power is with the people to then advocate
Speaker 6: for their needs and have their needs met. So that's
Speaker 6: the big macro stepping back right. One of the ways
Speaker 6: that the system works to do that, that the system
Speaker 6: should work to do that is we have elected representation
Speaker 6: who represent the people in these state legislatures, which is
Speaker 6: where laws get passed, or in Congress, which is where
Speaker 6: the federal laws get passed. And for the system to
Speaker 6: work the right way, legislators, these members of the state legislature,
Speaker 6: let's say your state senator, your state assembly member, or
Speaker 6: your congressmen or your United States senator, will meet with
Speaker 6: and they'll have ways of receiving information from the people
Speaker 6: about what they want. I think it's really important always
Speaker 6: that we know our power to organize around what we need.
Speaker 6: And sometimes that'll take the form of writing letters, sometimes
Speaker 6: it will take the form of mass protests to make
Speaker 6: sure the voice of the people is heard by their
Speaker 6: representative leaders, who then have as their responsibility to write
Speaker 6: up some legislation that meets the needs of the people.
Speaker 6: And then when they write that up, they take a
Speaker 6: vote in their body if it's a state house or Congress,
Speaker 6: and if the majority the people there agree with it,
Speaker 6: it becomes a law. So that's how it's supposed to work.
Speaker 6: And I mean it does connect to what we were
Speaker 6: talking about earlier, which is then reminding folks they have
Speaker 6: a right and a right to expect that their leaders
Speaker 6: will hear them and take seriously their needs. You know,
Speaker 6: a lot of why I think it's important to talk
Speaker 6: about our accomplishments on things like we finally let Medicare
Speaker 6: negotiate drug prices with the big pharmaceutical companies so that
Speaker 6: we could cap the cost of incident thirty five dollars
Speaker 6: a month. You know why that's important because forever that
Speaker 6: never happened. And when we explain to people that they
Speaker 6: kept advocating and kept fighting for it to happen and
Speaker 6: it did happen, it reminds people don't give up, keep
Speaker 6: fighting for the things you know are possible, even if
Speaker 6: it's never happened before. I think it's important for people
Speaker 6: to know, you know, when we like, for example, I
Speaker 6: helped write the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act when
Speaker 6: I was in the United States Senate, people by the
Speaker 6: hundreds of thousands marched rightly, out of pain, out of knowledge,
Speaker 6: out of commitment that we need to take seriously what
Speaker 6: we got to do to deal with this system. And
Speaker 6: so we couldn't get enough votes to pass it, but
Speaker 6: we got it that far that we wrote it up
Speaker 6: and we got it as far as so that under
Speaker 6: our administration, the President was able to sign an executive
Speaker 6: order that put a lot of what we put in
Speaker 6: the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act into an executive order.
Speaker 6: So at least for federal law enforcement, we're now dealing
Speaker 6: with no knock warrants. We're now talking about a national
Speaker 6: database for police officers who have committed misconduct.
Speaker 3: To the people who say, why are we still marching
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, Yeah, when it's common sense what
Speaker 3: people need, What.
Speaker 6: Do you say to that, Look, my parents march for
Speaker 6: civil rights back in the day. I do believe there
Speaker 6: is no significant progress that we've made in our country
Speaker 6: without the people often taking to the streets, going way
Speaker 6: back to the Civil Rights Act, to the Voting Rights Act,
Speaker 6: to you know, I mean, what's happening now in the
Speaker 6: streets on choice, to what happened around George Floyd's murder
Speaker 6: and moving forward an agenda that's about that. I mean,
Speaker 6: you could just go through just the different levels of
Speaker 6: progress that we've had. Often has taken people taking to
Speaker 6: the streets, which is why, look, I support the right
Speaker 6: of people to peacefully protest my opponent in this race.
Speaker 6: You look up Project twenty twenty five Nasty Work. They're
Speaker 6: literally talking about what they would do to arrest people
Speaker 6: and deport them because they want to suppress. Part of
Speaker 6: what really concerns me about this moment in time is
Speaker 6: we've also defined our progress over the years, and therefore
Speaker 6: our strength is being about the expansion of rights, and
Speaker 6: now we're seeing a full on intent.
Speaker 4: To restrict rights going backwards.
Speaker 6: I strongly believe we have to always be vigilant, meaning
Speaker 6: whatever gains we've made, they will not be permanent unless
Speaker 6: we stay on it. You got to know, you can't
Speaker 6: take any of our rights for granted, and that's why
Speaker 6: we have to stay active. And that's about voting, that's
Speaker 6: about being involved in community organizations. That's about having those
Speaker 6: conversations when everybody gets together, whether we be at the barbershop,
Speaker 6: round the kitchen table, to remind ourselves about, look, what's
Speaker 6: happening and what do we need to do about it?
Speaker 5: And also think too.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the stuff we stand and fight for,
Speaker 1: you know, I do it as a parent.
Speaker 5: In my lifetime.
Speaker 1: I may not see the benefits, but I have seven
Speaker 1: kids who are going to have more kids that are
Speaker 1: coming down the pipeline that may one day. I'm sure
Speaker 1: when your parents fought there thinking by the time my
Speaker 1: daughter's old enough, hopefully she won't be going through this.
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. But see, they also taught me this,
Speaker 6: don't fall asleep on this stuff. Don't fall asleep on it.
Speaker 6: Don't sit back and get comfortable like, oh, that's done.
Speaker 6: You know, there's this old saying. It's Kreta Scott King,
Speaker 6: she said, and I paraphrase it all the time. The
Speaker 6: fight for civil rights, which she meant, the fight for justice,
Speaker 6: the fight for equality must be fought in one with
Speaker 6: each generation. And I think what she meant is one,
Speaker 6: understand whatever games we make will not be permanent. And two,
Speaker 6: therefore you must be vigilant. You got to stay on
Speaker 6: top of it. And by the way, don't complain about that.
Speaker 1: HBCUs are such a big thing now, and it's I
Speaker 1: feel like when things get trendy to become you know,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to talk about it and be a part
Speaker 1: of it. You were someone who went to an HBCU
Speaker 1: as an athlete, I'm just like, it's a great idea
Speaker 1: and I wish it was more cooler when I was
Speaker 1: coming up. But at the same time, I don't think
Speaker 1: the facilities could have held us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to go to UCLA and it
Speaker 1: was like being a professional athlete and we were speaking
Speaker 1: to you know, some of the brightest minds come from
Speaker 1: these HBCUs, but the conditions aren't what some of these
Speaker 1: other schools are.
Speaker 6: So the history of our HBCUs is a phenomenal history
Speaker 6: which again was born out of struggle and people sitting
Speaker 6: around saying we're not gonna wait for other people, right.
Speaker 6: So there were a collection of people that were white
Speaker 6: and black and of many different backgrounds who understood that
Speaker 6: young black, bright people were not having equal access to
Speaker 6: top levels of education. And so, in a nutshell, that's
Speaker 6: how our HBCUs got formed. I attended Howard University, which
Speaker 6: is one of the oldest, and it built up over
Speaker 6: the years, with its purpose and mission being to create
Speaker 6: national and international leaders, had a reputation of doing that
Speaker 6: cause it did that. But over the years, we also
Speaker 6: know that our students. HBCU students don't necessarily frankly, make
Speaker 6: the same kind of incomes that people who go to
Speaker 6: predominantly white institutions do, don't start out on the same base.
Speaker 6: So even if they are, they're also taking care of
Speaker 6: their parents, they're also taking care of their younger siblings
Speaker 6: and don't necessarily have the extra to be able to
Speaker 6: build for the school. The endowment which alumni give to
Speaker 6: that ends up funding things like a first class program,
Speaker 6: be it athletic or scientific or something. So a lot
Speaker 6: of my work, especially in the Senate and now as
Speaker 6: Vice President, has been to increase federal funding to HBCUs
Speaker 6: because again I know they are centers of academic excellence.
Speaker 6: They are centers of academic excellence, but don't necessarily have
Speaker 6: the same kind of resources. And so far we've given
Speaker 6: now under our administration, as i've been Vice president, sixteen
Speaker 6: billion more dollars to o HBCUs. When I was Senator,
Speaker 6: I was responsible for helping to get billions into upgrading
Speaker 6: literally the physical structure because they're old. Yeah, And I
Speaker 6: think increasingly, to your point, more people are understanding. It's
Speaker 6: like we may be skipped an era, but we're getting
Speaker 6: back to a place of more people understanding what our
Speaker 6: HBCUs do and giving more support financially to them.
Speaker 1: But we have to.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's an incredible experience to walk on campus
Speaker 6: and everybody looks like you, and to go to class
Speaker 6: and to have a teacher who takes none of your excuses.
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. It reminds you that no, you just
Speaker 6: have to work harder, You just have to compete. You'll
Speaker 6: be the class president if you do that. And the
Speaker 6: other thing that's great about in HBCU. You could be
Speaker 6: the class president at the football Star Mmm. You could
Speaker 6: be in a sorority and be the head of the
Speaker 6: science club like it. Also, the beauty of HBCUs is
Speaker 6: every signal it sends you is telling you do not
Speaker 6: confine yourself to somebody's idea of what it means for
Speaker 6: you to be a young black person in America.
Speaker 3: I want to touch on mental health. Mental health is
Speaker 3: big in the black community, especially black men. We have
Speaker 3: a lot of black men out there who's starting grassroots
Speaker 3: organizations to help their communities. I'll give you example, a
Speaker 3: guy named Zeke. He's the building chapters called New Era
Speaker 3: in all over Detroit, the Bay Area, texts everywhere. And
Speaker 3: then what they're doing is they're taking care of the
Speaker 3: communities regardless of race. If somebody's being mistreated, if it's
Speaker 3: store being mistreated, if somebody's been treated in.
Speaker 4: That community, if they're going hand in hand.
Speaker 3: Zone nineteen Keys and also you see, is it anything
Speaker 3: that you're thinking about that can help these people that's
Speaker 3: building these grass roots that actually get the stuff done.
Speaker 4: On the ground.
Speaker 6: Absolutely. I think, first of all, I think the mental
Speaker 6: health issue is probably one of the biggest public policy
Speaker 6: failures in our country. We have acted as though healthcare
Speaker 6: is We've acted as though the body starts from the
Speaker 6: neck down, right, instead understanding we need health care also
Speaker 6: from the neck up, and it has to be done
Speaker 6: in a way that gives people the dignity and the
Speaker 6: respect they deserve. The most effective mental health care is
Speaker 6: often because it is peer based. It is without judgment,
Speaker 6: and it understands people have to be understood for you know,
Speaker 6: who they are culturally, who they are in terms of
Speaker 6: their life experience if you're really going to be able
Speaker 6: to get into their needs. I worked with a brother
Speaker 6: here in d C Kre who actually has been doing
Speaker 6: a lot around modeling in particular, and I had them
Speaker 6: come in a couple of years ago. Actually, we've been
Speaker 6: talking about how we focus in particular on our black
Speaker 6: men and our young black men, because we also have
Speaker 6: to take the stigma away, and so part of that
Speaker 6: is about reminding people. It's just like you know, if
Speaker 6: you break your arm or you got a toothache. This
Speaker 6: is about health care and helping people understand it's a
Speaker 6: sign of strength to ask for help, not a sign
Speaker 6: of weakness. Because when we talk about mental health care,
Speaker 6: a lot of it, especially for people who have who
Speaker 6: have experienced trauma, we're talking about pain, and we understand
Speaker 6: physical pain, take an aspirin, whatever, but we don't deal
Speaker 6: with mental and emotional pain in the same way. And
Speaker 6: here's the thing. First of all, look growing up in poverty,
Speaker 6: trauma inducing, growing up around you know, any form of
Speaker 6: violence which crosses socioeconomic lines, by the way, so let's
Speaker 6: not act as.
Speaker 4: Though it's just right.
Speaker 6: Low income people everywhere, everywhere trauma inducing. And the thing
Speaker 6: about it is you know when we talk about post
Speaker 6: traumatic stress disorder, right, what happens when you've been repeatedly
Speaker 6: exposed to trauma. Somebody explained it to me years ago.
Speaker 6: It's oversimplified, but I'm going to offer you this. So
Speaker 6: imagine you're walking across a busy street every day and
Speaker 6: a map truck comes barreling down. You will produce basically
Speaker 6: a response without even reflection. You'll jump back. If every
Speaker 6: day you're walking across the room that thing, you overproduce
Speaker 6: the things so that one day you're walking across that
Speaker 6: street that mac truck has come barreling down. You see it,
Speaker 6: and you keep walking. And then we start talking about
Speaker 6: our young people don't have emotions, numb to it, as
Speaker 6: though they've chosen, as though they have chosen to not
Speaker 6: have emotion, and we don't realize that a lot of
Speaker 6: it is physiological. Literally, it's how the body learns to
Speaker 6: protect itself. And for our youngest children, then what does
Speaker 6: that mean? They start acting out in class? What happens?
Speaker 6: They get kicked out of class, they're the bad kid.
Speaker 6: They still start self identifying that way, and we know
Speaker 6: where that leads a lot of the work I did
Speaker 6: years ago when I was actually DA of San Francisco,
Speaker 6: was focused on a project that it ended up developing
Speaker 6: itself into what we call the San Franciscool Wellness Center,
Speaker 6: which was focused on early detection of childhood trauma so
Speaker 6: that we could get the diagnosis going for the treatment right,
Speaker 6: because if you don't diagnose it, you can't treat it.
Speaker 6: And I actually brought in mental health care professionals to
Speaker 6: talk with public school teachers about it, like this is
Speaker 6: what you're seeing in the classroom and help people put
Speaker 6: a label on it as the first step to diagnosing
Speaker 6: it and then getting the treatment. And during the time
Speaker 6: i've been vice president, as part of the work we've
Speaker 6: done on gun violence, we've put now millions of extra
Speaker 6: dollars in public schools to put more mental health professionals
Speaker 6: in our public schools. But we need to do a
Speaker 6: lot more because again, it just needs to be diagnosed
Speaker 6: and treated right and understanding this is not about some
Speaker 6: child who is bad. It's not some who wants to
Speaker 6: act out. It's not this is not this is not
Speaker 6: a choice that child is and it's not a choice
Speaker 6: this child is making. They're actually in pain, and it
Speaker 6: manifests itself in ways that are antisocial potentially, but the
Speaker 6: child's in pain.
Speaker 4: How to get it out?
Speaker 5: Defense mechanism?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a question along the mental health line.
Speaker 1: We spoke to Kobe and did his last interview, and
Speaker 1: I asked him, you know, over his long career, was
Speaker 1: there any negativity or hatred or disrespect towards you that
Speaker 1: he heard and hurt? And he said, I heard it
Speaker 1: all and he said that it all hurt. As someone
Speaker 1: who's been the first in a lot of spaces, you've
Speaker 1: been in, a woman of color knocking on the door
Speaker 1: to possibly be the next president? How do you protect
Speaker 1: your mental health and your mental space?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: Number one rule, don't read the comments there. Nasty nasty,
Speaker 6: I'm serious, don't read the comments. Just let's start there.
Speaker 6: I work out every morning. I work out every morning.
Speaker 6: For me, it's just mind, body and spirit. I think
Speaker 6: it's really important for everybody. We all have our levels
Speaker 6: of stir. Everybody does right, be intentional about who you
Speaker 6: have in your life to the extent you can, and
Speaker 6: in particular for our young people who may not know
Speaker 6: that they have a right to be intentional about do
Speaker 6: you have people in your life who applaud your success.
Speaker 6: Do you have people in your life who you trust?
Speaker 6: Do you have people in your life who when you
Speaker 6: trip and fall, they laugh with you and then they
Speaker 6: pick you up and push you back out there. There
Speaker 6: are people that you know who will be those people
Speaker 6: if you choose to have them. I am blessed to
Speaker 6: have an incredible family and incredible friends. My best friend
Speaker 6: from kindergarten is still one of my best friends, right,
Speaker 6: Stacey Johnson. We used to go to the clubs and
Speaker 6: her father Saville, and so I think that's part of it, right,
Speaker 6: because you do need the support to deal with it,
Speaker 6: and especially I mean people who are active on social media.
Speaker 6: It's hard out there. It's tough, and you have to
Speaker 6: find things like I love to cook. I love to cook,
Speaker 6: and it's a way for me to want I think
Speaker 6: it's just for me. It's a great gift I can
Speaker 6: give the people I love. But it's also you know,
Speaker 6: it's like I start out, I know what I'm going
Speaker 6: to make, and then I'm done and I can give
Speaker 6: it to people and it just gives me something to
Speaker 6: do that is a productive use of time, you know.
Speaker 6: And I think people you know, choose hobbies, think about
Speaker 6: what it is that you like to do that takes
Speaker 6: your mind off of the stresses. That is also productive.
Speaker 1: Right, economy, small business, black business. We actually just start
Speaker 1: our business in January, so we're you know, we've grown
Speaker 1: from a show to a whole entire company.
Speaker 5: What is your kind of your economic plan moving forward for.
Speaker 1: People who are living paycheck to paycheck and struggling for
Speaker 1: groceries and rent and homeowners.
Speaker 6: So look, I grew up, so my sister and I
Speaker 6: were raised by our mother. We lived for a long
Speaker 6: time in an apartment on top of a childcare center.
Speaker 6: That childcare center was actually owned by a woman who
Speaker 6: lived two doors down from us, missus Shelton, who was,
Speaker 6: by all of our accounts and feelings, our second mother.
Speaker 6: She helped raise us, and so she was a small
Speaker 6: business owner. So I'll start with the small business and
Speaker 6: congratulations on what you guys done. I from a child
Speaker 6: knew who our small business owners are, right. I mean,
Speaker 6: you're business leaders, but you're also civic leaders. You take
Speaker 6: seriously your voice and how you can mentor how you
Speaker 6: can grow right communities and the sense of communities. I
Speaker 6: love our small businesses, and so a lot of my
Speaker 6: work in terms of building and growing the economy has
Speaker 6: focused on small businesses, and my vision overall is we
Speaker 6: need to build an opportunity economy in which we increase
Speaker 6: opportunity for all, including small business owners. So a lot
Speaker 6: of my work even in the Senate was about increasing
Speaker 6: access to capital through our small businesses and in particular
Speaker 6: through our community banks. So I've been responsible for billions
Speaker 6: of dollars more now going into our community banks because
Speaker 6: they're in the community, and then they know who's in
Speaker 6: the community and where the town is, and who's doing
Speaker 6: good in the community, what the community wants. And so
Speaker 6: part of my plan as president is to give small
Speaker 6: businesses startups a tax deduction of fifty thousand dollars to
Speaker 6: start up, because right now the tax deduction is five
Speaker 6: thousand dollars. With that, that's exactly right. And see, the
Speaker 6: thing we know is that most of our small business
Speaker 6: are entrepreneurs who want to start a small business, got
Speaker 6: a great idea to have incredible work ethic, but you know,
Speaker 6: they weren't handed a bunch of money on a silver tray,
Speaker 6: and they just need to get their foot in the door.
Speaker 6: So there is that there is what I need to
Speaker 6: do and what we need to do around making housing
Speaker 6: and rent more affordable. Part of the problem there is
Speaker 6: we have a housing supply shortage. My plan includes giving
Speaker 6: tax incentives for home builders to build three million more
Speaker 6: homes by the end of my first term to increase supply,
Speaker 6: to bring down cost, and to increase home ownership. A
Speaker 6: twenty five thousand dollars down payment assistance to first time
Speaker 6: home buyers, because again, people just need to get their
Speaker 6: foot in the door.
Speaker 5: Grind after that.
Speaker 6: Right, that's exactly right, That's exactly right. And we know
Speaker 6: home ownership, especially for the community, that's the fastest, most effective,
Speaker 6: and most sure ways to build intergenerational wealth. It's then
Speaker 6: when your child says I want to go to an
Speaker 6: HBC or some other college and you say, well, honey,
Speaker 6: you don't have to take out a student loan. I'm
Speaker 6: going to take some equity out of the house. Or
Speaker 6: your child says I want to start up a small business,
Speaker 6: and you can say, let me take some equity and
Speaker 6: help you.
Speaker 5: First, First, what is that business. Let me make sure
Speaker 5: it's not.
Speaker 6: Productive. Right, you have something where it's about intergenerational wealth.
Speaker 6: Because see, here's how I feel about the economy and
Speaker 6: the economy I want to grow. We have for over
Speaker 6: the last four years, reduced black unemployment to the lowest
Speaker 6: it has been in decades. Okay, that is an accomplishment. However,
Speaker 6: we I believe, need to measure our success not just
Speaker 6: only about everybody's working, but can you build wealth?
Speaker 4: Can you start saving?
Speaker 6: Can you start saving, Can you buy a home? Can
Speaker 6: you start saving to take your family on vacation from
Speaker 6: time to time? Can you save enough so that Christmas
Speaker 6: time for you and your children is not stressful but
Speaker 6: something enjoyable. Right, And so it's about, yes, we got
Speaker 6: to make sure that we that we have high employment,
Speaker 6: but also that we create opportunities for people to build
Speaker 6: wealth get ahead. Part of my plan is also to
Speaker 6: expand the child tax credit six thousand dollars in the
Speaker 6: first year of your child's life.
Speaker 5: Man, I could have used that one.
Speaker 6: Because you know what that means. First year, that's such
Speaker 6: a critical stage of a child's development, and it's expensive.
Speaker 6: A family's got to buy a car seat, a crib,
Speaker 6: the things that the necessary. Because I start from the
Speaker 6: perspective that the vast majority of parents want to raise
Speaker 6: their children well, they love their children, but don't necessarily
Speaker 6: have the resources they need. And if we understand that
Speaker 6: the children of a community are the children of the community,
Speaker 6: we'll understand that that an investment in something like the
Speaker 6: first year of a child's life benefits all of us.
Speaker 6: But these are things about building what I call an
Speaker 6: opportunity economy, which is about helping people not just to
Speaker 6: get by, but to get ahead. Because most people, look,
Speaker 6: maybe you've gathered this already, Here's where I come from.
Speaker 6: Most people have ambition, they have aspirations, they have dreams,
Speaker 6: and they are willing to work hard. And if we
Speaker 6: give people the opportunity to actually meet those goals, they
Speaker 6: jump for it every time. But not everybody starts out
Speaker 6: from the same place in terms of having the opportunity
Speaker 6: to just get in there. And so my plans, whether
Speaker 6: it be twenty five thousand dollars down payment assistance, whether
Speaker 6: it be a six thousand dollars child tax credit, or
Speaker 6: helping people in terms of what they need to do
Speaker 6: to be able to start a small business with a
Speaker 6: bigger tax deduction. The reason I'm saying all that is
Speaker 6: because when those folks are successful, we are all successful,
Speaker 6: and we actually strengthen the economy overall. When middle class
Speaker 6: is strong in America. America's economy is strong. It's a
Speaker 6: better country, and it's a better country for all of us.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're running short on time. We're going
Speaker 1: to finish up with quick hitters. First thing to come
Speaker 1: to mind, let us know, oh, cannabis.
Speaker 6: I just feel strongly people should not be going to
Speaker 6: jail for smoking wheed and we know historically what that
Speaker 6: is meant and who has gone to jail. Second, I
Speaker 6: just think we have come to a point where we
Speaker 6: have to understand that we need to legalize it and
Speaker 6: and stop criminalizing this behavior. And so and I've actually
Speaker 6: this is not a new position for me. I have
Speaker 6: felt for a long time we need to legalize it.
Speaker 6: So that's where I am on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, she said we not cannabis. Pay attention to y'all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's old school, right.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 5: I like it all right, love it.
Speaker 1: Favorite holiday to cook and what's your signature dish?
Speaker 6: Well, Sundays are my favorite days. Dinner, Sunday family dinner.
Speaker 6: I mean these days it's more difficult for me than ever,
Speaker 6: but Sunday family dinner might have a place and whoever
Speaker 6: is around, bring your.
Speaker 1: Friends, party, I'm gonna leave you my number. I want
Speaker 1: to get invited to one of these.
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, you guys are welcome.
Speaker 4: Best musical artists in Bay Area history.
Speaker 5: Put her on the spot.
Speaker 6: Oh ever, No, my mind is going through lots, and
Speaker 6: I mean, I'll just I could go with too short,
Speaker 6: but I mean, yeah, Rael.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, forty yeah, five dinner are alive.
Speaker 6: I'm going to get emotional, Liza. It's my mother and
Speaker 6: my husband never met. Okay, my mother passed away before
Speaker 6: we got married. So if I could put him at
Speaker 6: the table with my mother, Suirley Chisholm, first black woman
Speaker 6: to run for president. Oh, and I would so loved
Speaker 6: to sit with her. I would so love to sit
Speaker 6: with her. I mean, I feel that I know her
Speaker 6: because I have studied her life, and yes, that a
Speaker 6: path that she created, right, it's a beautiful thing. One
Speaker 6: of my heroes is Thurgood Marshall, you know, and you
Speaker 6: talk about like him being active in the streets and
Speaker 6: what he did in terms of representation and then went
Speaker 6: to the court and carried that over.
Speaker 5: Who's that last seat going to?
Speaker 6: You know who I saw recently who I just loved.
Speaker 6: But it's He's one of two the Justins from from Tennessee.
Speaker 6: They were at they they refused to be silenced. They
Speaker 6: were they're both in the state capital and they were
Speaker 6: speaking up about gun violence and then the other legislators
Speaker 6: tried to shut them down. And Justin Jones is actually
Speaker 6: from Oakland and born where I was born at Kaiser
Speaker 6: Hospital in Oakland, California. Yeah. Yeah, that would be kind
Speaker 6: of a good mix because then that's kind of different
Speaker 6: generations of leaders.
Speaker 4: First thing you do in the morning, last thing you
Speaker 4: do before you go to sleep.
Speaker 6: First thing I do in the morning is work out.
Speaker 6: There is a prayer that comes in after that, yes,
Speaker 6: of course every day. And last thing usually to tell
Speaker 6: my husband I love him.
Speaker 4: I like that. What's your guilty pleasure? Do you have any? Yes?
Speaker 6: One of my guilty pleasures, especially when I'm on the road,
Speaker 6: are my Dorito's what flavor? Natcho? Old school original? Come on?
Speaker 6: Come on, Yeah, that's exactly right, that's exactly gotta have
Speaker 6: an afkin nearby.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: What was your process because it was fast? What was
Speaker 1: your process and what did you do when you were
Speaker 1: deciding who to pick for your vice president?
Speaker 6: You know, Ultimately, what it came down to was Tim Walls.
Speaker 6: If you look at Tim Walls and you look at me,
Speaker 6: and you have a sense of who we are and
Speaker 6: where we came from, you think of nothing in common
Speaker 6: but his you know, he comes from and grew up
Speaker 6: in the same kind of you know, different part of
Speaker 6: the country. You know, folks were a different color, from
Speaker 6: a different culture, but same people. Hardworking people, straight talking people,
Speaker 6: people who have values. And I just found that so
Speaker 6: familiar to me. And I guess that the process was
Speaker 6: Ultimately I made a decision about my gut around like
Speaker 6: do you not than any of the other candidates didn't,
Speaker 6: but just do you do you have a connection to
Speaker 6: the people and and in a life experience that is
Speaker 6: about just seeing people. And but it was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, couldn't focus, like that's what okay.
Speaker 6: Look from the time that the president called me and
Speaker 6: told me he wasn't running, I mean, it just like
Speaker 6: everything was in speedy, speedy motion, and I was not
Speaker 6: sleeping so well. And that one morning, I just I mean,
Speaker 6: I had I don't know, a few hours sleep, and
Speaker 6: I you know, I'd like to sleep. I just got up.
Speaker 6: I was like and So I just went out and
Speaker 6: got a pork roast and started marinate.
Speaker 5: Your happy place.
Speaker 6: And my family happened to me in town, so they
Speaker 6: were very happy about the whole situation. But I just
Speaker 6: got up and started sep. I just got up and
Speaker 6: started cooking.
Speaker 1: Yes, last question, as someone who's broke a ton of
Speaker 1: barriers throughout your journey and your journeys continuing to elevate,
Speaker 1: what does it mean to you to be the first
Speaker 1: woman president, but the first black woman as president?
Speaker 6: Well, not there yet, knock Wood. My mother had many sayings,
Speaker 6: and one of them is she would say to me, calmly,
Speaker 6: may be the first to do many things, make sure
Speaker 6: you're not the last. And I took that so very seriously.
Speaker 6: I've had the good fortune to mentor a lot of
Speaker 6: people along the way, including to this day. For me,
Speaker 6: it's about one understanding the shoulders I stand on. We
Speaker 6: talk about a Shirley Chisholm, and then so many people
Speaker 6: who are alive who have mentored me and help me up,
Speaker 6: and I just I feel so strongly that you know,
Speaker 6: each one pull one, you got to leave that door
Speaker 6: open more than it was when you walked in. And
Speaker 6: that's what it means to me, I feel a great
Speaker 6: sense of responsibility. I mean, you talk about your daughter
Speaker 6: and what she's doing at school. I look at our sons,
Speaker 6: I look at I mean, I feel a sense of
Speaker 6: responsibility to hopefully remind them that you should never hear no.
Speaker 6: You should never hear nobody like you has done this before,
Speaker 6: or it's not your time, or they're not ready, like
Speaker 6: don't hear that, don't hear that I eat no for breakfast.
Speaker 6: That's my saying no for breakfast.
Speaker 1: You got to see it to believe it. We talked
Speaker 1: about that growing up in the community. We got to
Speaker 1: see it to believe it.
Speaker 4: We can.
Speaker 1: We've seen Obama and do what he does, and now
Speaker 1: we have an opportunity to possibly see you. To me,
Speaker 1: you know, five six daughters and you know I have
Speaker 1: a daughter, just to be able to see it means so.
Speaker 6: Much, right well, because there's so many it's sadly, but
Speaker 6: there's so much good in the world. So let's start
Speaker 6: with that. And there's so many positive messages, and there
Speaker 6: are some that are not positive, and that would suggest
Speaker 6: to our kids, to our young people, that they're alone,
Speaker 6: that they don't have champions, that they don't belong, that
Speaker 6: they're not entitled to that they don't have rights, including
Speaker 6: the right to be a leader. And I hope that
Speaker 6: in my career and in my work to the extent
Speaker 6: I am able to help people reject that that I
Speaker 6: can do that.
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Speaker 6: I'm so glad you guys are for I mean, on everything,
Speaker 6: but on the mental health piece. I think it's huge
Speaker 6: because that's especially coming from the two of you and
Speaker 6: the folks that you'll bring on. We just need to
Speaker 6: remind people that it's actually like this is about self help, right,
Speaker 6: It's like stop suffering. Yeah, and I think too, we're
Speaker 6: living with so much suffering.
Speaker 1: We've all came. We came from as low as you
Speaker 1: can be and made it out. So to inspire and
Speaker 1: to let people know it is okay to ask for help.
Speaker 1: It's important.
Speaker 6: But here's the other thing, if I can just add
Speaker 6: to that, I think we have a system that fails
Speaker 6: people if only the exceptional can get out. Great point, right,
Speaker 6: that's that's a failure of a system because you know,
Speaker 6: then people say, oh, but this person and that person. No,
Speaker 6: if you're pointing to the exceptional and that's the only
Speaker 6: success story you've got getting about the majority, that's a
Speaker 6: failure of a system.
Speaker 4: Good point. Keyword is the opportunity you said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know people always asking what's the difference between
Speaker 3: you and George Floyd. We grew up in the same area,
Speaker 3: did the same things, but I had the opportunity to
Speaker 3: go play basketball. He didn't have opportunity to get out
Speaker 3: the ghetto. So that was that's the only differences in
Speaker 3: our areas. It's opportunity. Everybody don't have the same opporxactly right, And.
Speaker 4: That's what we got. That's what we got to give
Speaker 4: back to.
Speaker 6: That's exactly right, because if you didn't have that skill,
Speaker 6: but you had others there with it. Right, exactly right,
Speaker 6: exactly right. How's his daughter doing?
Speaker 4: She's doing great, She's doing great. She doing real good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know she has the days she's in school,
Speaker 3: but you know sometimes she will hear.
Speaker 4: Something that bring her back to that place.
Speaker 6: She got counseling, yep.
Speaker 3: And she has a great sports system she has, so
Speaker 3: she's doing great. Everybody has done things for she's definitely
Speaker 3: reaping the benefits of it.
Speaker 6: So it's been blessing for tell her, I asked about it.
Speaker 4: I definitely will, you know, I will, I will.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we should have her come back to Yeah, she's
Speaker 6: a sweet child, she really is, and handled all that
Speaker 6: attention every way because that was a lot in every
Speaker 6: direction from even people who wanted to give her love
Speaker 6: and support.
Speaker 4: But that was a lot for challenge, no blueprint, And
Speaker 4: she picked me up a lot of days.
Speaker 3: A lot of days well I didn't know what I
Speaker 3: was doing, just hearing her call me uncle and you know,
Speaker 3: just tell me she loved me. Those days picked me
Speaker 3: up a lot. So she is definitely a special your child, hope. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's the best chot.
Speaker 6: We are all a working progress, yes, yes, we really are.
Speaker 4: It ain't no, ain't no blueprint.
Speaker 6: Too, not at all. We are making it up as
Speaker 6: we go.
Speaker 5: We're still breaking the glass, still breaking the glass. Ceiling. Well,
Speaker 5: that's a rap.
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