WEBVTT - The Story of Microsoft Bing

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and how the

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<v Speaker 1>tech are you So. On May twenty eight, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine, Microsoft's CEO, who at that time was Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Developers Developers Developers Ballmer, appeared at the All Things Digital

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<v Speaker 1>conference to announce the company's new search engine BING. Previously,

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft's search tool was called Live Search, but like just

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<v Speaker 1>about any company not named Google, Microsoft was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for scraps now. At that time, Google boasted a

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four point two percent market share for search. Yahoo

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<v Speaker 1>took second place with twenty point four percent. Live Search

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<v Speaker 1>was quietly in the corner with just eight point two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the market share. Now that's according to CNN's

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<v Speaker 1>David Goldman, who wrote about bing's announcement back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine. To be fair, Google had a heck

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<v Speaker 1>of a head start on Microsoft in the search department.

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<v Speaker 1>Google Search initially launched in September nineteen ninety eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft didn't introduce the beta for Live Search until March

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and six. Though the company had toyed

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<v Speaker 1>with search earlier after acquiring the live dot com site

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and five, and had in fact introduced

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<v Speaker 1>ms in search in nineteen ninety nine, but that one

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<v Speaker 1>was powered by a third party search provider. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft actually powering the search tools. Well. Google rose quickly

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<v Speaker 1>in the ranks of search engines, largely because Google's page

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<v Speaker 1>erank system seemed to have an almost supernatural knack for

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<v Speaker 1>returning the best search results at the top of the list.

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<v Speaker 1>Google was quick to adjust its approach to mitigate web

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<v Speaker 1>designers who used every trick in the book to try

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<v Speaker 1>and fool search engines into listing their sites. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>in ye olden days, a common ruse was to dump

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<v Speaker 1>a dictionary's worth of search terms onto a web page,

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<v Speaker 1>and usually you would do it in very very tiny

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<v Speaker 1>text at the bottom of the page. Sometimes you would

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<v Speaker 1>just change the text color to match the background of

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<v Speaker 1>the web page so that people couldn't even see that

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<v Speaker 1>there was text down there, and it would just be

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<v Speaker 1>a pit of seemingly random words. But the goal was

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<v Speaker 1>to get a hit on search engines that were crawling

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<v Speaker 1>the web, that were just looking for pages that contain

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<v Speaker 1>certain search query terms, and sure visitors to that page

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<v Speaker 1>were almost certain to get frustrated when they saw that

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<v Speaker 1>the thing they were looking for wasn't there. But that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really matter. What mattered was getting that page view

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<v Speaker 1>count up so that you could sell ads on the page,

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<v Speaker 1>because capitalism. Anyway. Google had been growing its influence in

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<v Speaker 1>the search market for years by the time Microsoft launched

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<v Speaker 1>Live Search in two thousand and six, and this wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just a case of Microsoft wanting to take a step

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<v Speaker 1>from Google's milkshake. In fact, it was more like the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>because since two thousand and three, at least according to

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<v Speaker 1>Fortune magazine, Bill Gates, the co founder and former CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of Microsoft, was starting to get a real bad feeling

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<v Speaker 1>about Google. He noticed that Google had been advertising job

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<v Speaker 1>positions that sounded a lot more like a company that

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<v Speaker 1>was looking to get into OS design operating system design

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just you know, staying in their lane and

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on search. Gates sniffed out a potential competitor, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a competitor that was building up momentum, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was something he didn't like very much. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>might think that what I'm in applying is that Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Gates doesn't like competition. Let me be clear, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Gates loves competition because he loves the feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>squashing competition out of existence, either through acquiring the competitor or,

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<v Speaker 1>if possible, making some deals that absolutely destroy the competitor. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm off base. Maybe my perception of Bill Gates

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<v Speaker 1>and his approach to business is not at all accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>but it sure does feel right to me. But back

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<v Speaker 1>to web search. So Steven Sinofsky, who was head of

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<v Speaker 1>Windows as well as the Office suite of Productivity Software,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a book last year. It was published. It was

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<v Speaker 1>titled Hardcore Software Inside the Rise and Fall of the

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<v Speaker 1>PC Revolution, And in that book, among lots and lots

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<v Speaker 1>of other stories, he talks about the early days of

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft getting into web search. Sinofsky would be included in

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<v Speaker 1>the web search team after it had already formed and

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<v Speaker 1>had built to prototype version of the search tool. Christopher Pain,

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<v Speaker 1>who would become VP of Windows Live Search, pitched the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a Microsoft search tool way back in February

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three. He didn't beat around the bush either.

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<v Speaker 1>He told his bosses that in order to build a

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<v Speaker 1>good search tool, one that could go toe to toe

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<v Speaker 1>with Google. It was going to take a huge investment,

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<v Speaker 1>like one hundred and fifty million bucks and a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half of work at least, and that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>include the creation and maintenance of server farms that would

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<v Speaker 1>actually handle all the search traffic. But his pitch got

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<v Speaker 1>the thumbs up from his higher ups, and Project Underdog

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<v Speaker 1>was a go. So Christopher Pain then said upon the

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<v Speaker 1>launch of Live Search, quote, combined with the rich browsing

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<v Speaker 1>and integrated searching services delivered by Windows Live Toolbar and

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<v Speaker 1>Live dot com, the new search service offers customers the

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<v Speaker 1>next generation of unified services today, which doesn't mean much

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<v Speaker 1>on the surface, right, But some of those services that

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<v Speaker 1>Live Search would offer included the ability to preview search results,

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<v Speaker 1>to do image searches, and to create search macros to

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<v Speaker 1>customize the experience to the user. So if you had

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<v Speaker 1>a very particular way you wanted to go about searches,

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<v Speaker 1>you could create a macro for that and not have

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<v Speaker 1>to recreate it every single time you needed to use search.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was no question that Google was running away

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<v Speaker 1>with search, even as Microsoft argued that Live Search was

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<v Speaker 1>a more versatile tool than Google was. The hope was

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<v Speaker 1>that this new search engine, that Bing, which would replace

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<v Speaker 1>Live Search, would rise to the challenge and wrestle away

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<v Speaker 1>a good chunk of that dominant market position from Google.

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<v Speaker 1>Spoiler alert, that would not happen. So, according to stat counter,

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<v Speaker 1>Google currently enjoys an even more dominant position than it

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<v Speaker 1>did before. Right when Live Search debuted, Google held you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four percent of the global market. Well, stat counter

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<v Speaker 1>says that Google today has around ninety percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>market share for web search and Bing has less than

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<v Speaker 1>five percent. Now, I should add that's from an analysis

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<v Speaker 1>of the market from just one company, and in previous

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<v Speaker 1>reporting in twenty twenty four, stat Counter indicated that Google

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<v Speaker 1>had actually taken a pretty massive hit in market share,

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<v Speaker 1>dropping as low as eighty six point five to eight percent. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in an earlier report, that drop was even more drastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Stat Counter analyzed and said that it was down to

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven point five to two percent. However, they later

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<v Speaker 1>revised that saying that that was an error. But even

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<v Speaker 1>at the lowest point, even with the error, like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say that seventy seven point five two percent was actually accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>that's still higher than the market share Google enjoyed back

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and nine when Microsoft first announced BING.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if you say, yeah, Google took a big hit,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still higher market share than it had when Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to take a swing at the king. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Some thought that when Microsoft announced BING that it was

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<v Speaker 1>really just a rebranding of Live Search, that all Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>had really done was collect the various features of Live

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<v Speaker 1>Search under a more unified approach and then rebranded it BING.

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<v Speaker 1>And from what I can tell, that's a fairly accurate

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<v Speaker 1>take on what had happened. Not that Microsoft didn't introduce

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<v Speaker 1>new features, but ultimately this was really an attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>have BING be memorable and to stand out because Live

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<v Speaker 1>Search just wasn't ringing in the ears of the web

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<v Speaker 1>denizens out there, and hopefully BING would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>attract curious users who would use it and then find

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<v Speaker 1>they preferred Microsoft's approach to Google's. According to a blog

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<v Speaker 1>post by trung fon Bing beat out the name Bang

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<v Speaker 1>as the actual name for the search tool, that Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>had been debating between Bang and Bang, and that they

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<v Speaker 1>chose Bing because well, you know, we use Google as

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<v Speaker 1>a verb, right, Like I googled that for you? For example,

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<v Speaker 1>if people were to use bang as a verb that, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's best we just leave that one alone. Plus Fn says,

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<v Speaker 1>some folks would argue that BING is actually an acronym.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is playful. It's not really an acronym,

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<v Speaker 1>but folks enjoy saying it is that being stands for,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not Google. Satya Nadella, who would later go

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<v Speaker 1>on to become CEO of the whole Ding dang dern

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<v Speaker 1>Company of Microsoft, was put in charge of the development

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<v Speaker 1>and launch of BING. He would then go on to

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<v Speaker 1>oversee cloud services before becoming ce of the overall company. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in case you're curious, Statista has a different picture of

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<v Speaker 1>global web search market share in that as of January

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, it estimates Google holding nearly eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the market and being at a fairly nice

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<v Speaker 1>ten point five to one percent, so like double what

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<v Speaker 1>stat Counter had suggested. So, according to Statista, Microsoft has

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<v Speaker 1>actually made some gains in its overall market share by

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<v Speaker 1>switching from live Search to Bang as if you remember,

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<v Speaker 1>Live Search was hovering at around eight percent. However, since

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<v Speaker 1>Google also saw gains in that time, you could really

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<v Speaker 1>make the argument that Microsoft's bump did not come at

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of Google. Instead, Microsoft's bump came from Yahoo's decline. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the announcement. At All Things Digital, Steve Baumer

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<v Speaker 1>took the stage and he claimed that quote BING enable

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<v Speaker 1>people to find information quickly and use the information they

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<v Speaker 1>found to accomp tasks and make smart decisions. End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a direct quote. So that's why there's some

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<v Speaker 1>mangled syntax in there. I didn't misspeak, that's just what

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<v Speaker 1>Baumer said. But what he was saying is that BING

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a search engine, not at all. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>search engine. It was a decision engine. So what does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean, Well, I would argue it doesn't really mean

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<v Speaker 1>much of anything. Bing operates as a search engine, but

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<v Speaker 1>the implication here is that BING would return more relevant

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<v Speaker 1>results to queries and less junk and ads, so that

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<v Speaker 1>you would actually get the information you needed in order to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do something else to make a decision. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what is relevant when you are searching for

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<v Speaker 1>something like People don't search just to search like they're

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're just really bored. You're not going onto a

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<v Speaker 1>search engine to search random topics. Typically you're searching for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason, and it's often so that you can make

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<v Speaker 1>a decision about out something. So that's I think what

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<v Speaker 1>he meant by a decision engine. This was the tool

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<v Speaker 1>you would use to get the information you needed in

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<v Speaker 1>order to make that decision. Now, that decision might be

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<v Speaker 1>related to, you know, searching for a restaurant or planning

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<v Speaker 1>a vacation, or doing a job search or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the slogan that they used was bing and Decide.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of jokes about being about the

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<v Speaker 1>name being, which typically happens in the tech sphere whenever

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<v Speaker 1>there's a new tech service or product introduced, Invariably there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of jokes made about whatever people decided

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<v Speaker 1>to name that thing. I'm thinking of, stuff like the iPad. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft's own Zoon MP three player had a feature called

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<v Speaker 1>Squirt where you could share a music track with another

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<v Speaker 1>Zoom user, and I can't tell you how many jokes

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<v Speaker 1>were made about that. So yeah, there were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of jokes being made quickly following this announcement. Now, initially

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<v Speaker 1>Bing's search offered four different flavors. If you will, you

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<v Speaker 1>could search in health, local businesses, travel, and purchases. So

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<v Speaker 1>at the get Go. It had a much more focused

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<v Speaker 1>approach to search, and the plan was always to expand

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<v Speaker 1>on this and not relegate BEING to some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>niche search engine that you'd only use for things like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, shopping online or something, or needing to find

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor in your area. They wanted it to be

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<v Speaker 1>useful in all different realms, but they had specific subcategories

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<v Speaker 1>of search that would, in theory at least, really focus

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<v Speaker 1>the results on whatever it is you were looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>As Goldman pointed out in that CNN piece I mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>the tool was quote set up to organize search results

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<v Speaker 1>in relevant groups rather than as a series of links.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, a search for flight to New York may

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<v Speaker 1>yield New York destinations like hotels, restaurants, and museums as

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<v Speaker 1>almost a guidebook page end quote. Presumably this was a

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<v Speaker 1>decision made not just to provide more utility to the

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<v Speaker 1>end user, but also to differentiate Being from Google. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the beginning. We'll talk more about Microsoft and Being

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<v Speaker 1>in just a moment, but first let's take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break to think our sponsors. We're back. Bing would present

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<v Speaker 1>the user with a pain called the explore pain. That's

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<v Speaker 1>pa in e and this pain would include a history

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<v Speaker 1>of searches and tools to navigate to specific results relating

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<v Speaker 1>to the query, and suggestions for related searches. It's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>changed over the years, but I used being to do

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<v Speaker 1>a search while I was researching this episode. I did

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<v Speaker 1>a search on the history of Being itself, and the

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<v Speaker 1>little panel on the left gave me tools to navigate

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<v Speaker 1>a Wikipedia article quickly so I could zip over to

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<v Speaker 1>relevant sections like history or features. Now I don't typically

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<v Speaker 1>use Wikipedia in my research, at least not as a

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<v Speaker 1>primary resource. I'll use it to find other resources on occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>or to look for more information that flesh's stuff out,

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<v Speaker 1>but only then if that material has proper citation so

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<v Speaker 1>I can find the actual resources that provide that information.

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<v Speaker 1>Because old habits die hard. I'm not saying that Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 1>is a bad resource or that's misleading, but rather I

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<v Speaker 1>was trained to never use Wikipedia as a main source,

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<v Speaker 1>and that training has a firm hole of my behaviors

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<v Speaker 1>to this day. So I will read a Wikipedia article

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<v Speaker 1>and then follow the resources to read the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>was used to generate those perspectives that are reflected in

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<v Speaker 1>the article. But yeah, I still don't use Wikipedia as

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<v Speaker 1>a main resource to this day. Anyway, Microsoft made some

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<v Speaker 1>big moves with BING. In July two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>after launching, the company reached a partnership agreement with Yahoo,

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<v Speaker 1>and BING would be used to power searches on Yahoo,

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<v Speaker 1>which was, of course a iconic web portal site. For

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<v Speaker 1>the longest time, Yahoo was one of the big names

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<v Speaker 1>in search before Google kind of eclipsed it, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is not that different from how Google negotiates to be

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<v Speaker 1>the default search engine on other platforms, such as the

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<v Speaker 1>default search on say, Apple devices. The original deal had

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo agreed to carry BING ads on desktop searches, though

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<v Speaker 1>later the companies would renegotiate that so that fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of ads would come from BING and the other

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine percent could come from Yahoo's Gemini platform or

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<v Speaker 1>any other third party company like Google. For example. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ten, Microsoft made a deal with Facebook so that

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<v Speaker 1>visitors on Facebook would get BING search results while searching

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<v Speaker 1>within the social network. So if you use the search

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<v Speaker 1>tool in face Book, you got BEING results. Similarly, Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>would make a deal with Amazon so that Alexa, the

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<v Speaker 1>digital personal assistant, would actually draw from Being search results,

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<v Speaker 1>and in that way Microsoft was taking a page out

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<v Speaker 1>of Google's playbook, though on a much smaller scale. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>every percentage point of market share counts, and by counts,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean counts in the form of a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in revenue potentially per percentage. Those are huge stakes.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I talk about Google having a dominant position

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<v Speaker 1>and being being relegated to you know at most around

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent of the market share, that ten percent still

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<v Speaker 1>represents billions of dollars in revenue. This is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if Microsoft's not dominating that space, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a significant contribution to revenue. So you know, no small

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<v Speaker 1>shakes there. In twenty twelve, a few different things happened.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, Microsoft introduced bing ads. Microsoft also introduced

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<v Speaker 1>a refresh in its layout and created what it called

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<v Speaker 1>a three column design which is kind of self explanatory,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a search plus social feature or the

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<v Speaker 1>social sidebar. Microsoft explained in a blog post that quote

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent of people consult with a friend or expert

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<v Speaker 1>before making a decision, whether it's something as simple as

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<v Speaker 1>which train will take you uptown or who is the

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<v Speaker 1>best dentist in Boulder. Often people are the most trusted

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<v Speaker 1>source of information end quote. Now, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>comes as a shock to anyone. I think anyone kind

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<v Speaker 1>of can have a grasp that the opinions of people,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly people you know, hold more weight than anonymous information

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<v Speaker 1>posted on a website or a search results page. Online

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<v Speaker 1>retailers have been leaning on user reviews for decades as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to move merchandise. People trust the reviews of

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<v Speaker 1>other customers, unless, of course, those reviews end up not

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting actual customer experiences but are instead paid reviews. That

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a whole issue. But if the information is coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a person rather than a company or a soulless

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<v Speaker 1>search engine results page, it tends to carry more weight.

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<v Speaker 1>So it made sense to incorporate these social elements. So

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<v Speaker 1>the new design of Being in twenty twelve would feature

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<v Speaker 1>three columns. The leftmost column, the widest one, contained the

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<v Speaker 1>core search results for whatever the query was. Then in

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<v Speaker 1>the center column, which was a little bit more narrow,

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<v Speaker 1>you had the snapshot column. This one would contain relevant

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<v Speaker 1>information related to the query. So, for example, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you were searching for information about a potential vacation destination.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you're on bing and you're doing a search

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<v Speaker 1>about Disney World. So the leftmost column you would have

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<v Speaker 1>links to things like probably the main Disney World web page,

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<v Speaker 1>but the central column could include information to stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>flights or details about hotels in the area, or even

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<v Speaker 1>restaurants in the area where you can make a reservation.

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<v Speaker 1>That kind of thing. Now, the third column, the social sidebar,

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<v Speaker 1>contained information pulled from your friends as well as other

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<v Speaker 1>enthusiasts or experts that had content that relates to the

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<v Speaker 1>search query. So maybe you would search for disney World

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<v Speaker 1>and in that social sidebar you would see posts from

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<v Speaker 1>your friends, posts from Facebook, for example, of friends who

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<v Speaker 1>had gone to Disney World and stayed at a particular hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say they stayed at Disney World's Caribbean Beach Resort,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can see what they thought of the place.

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<v Speaker 1>You would never have to rely solely on marketing from

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<v Speaker 1>Disney itself, right, You could see what actual human beings

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<v Speaker 1>felt about the location, and you could use that to

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<v Speaker 1>help make your decision. And being could even help you

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<v Speaker 1>with this. They could identify folks in your friends circle,

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<v Speaker 1>such as on Facebook, who might know more about whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is you were searching for. So if you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>find the information you needed or you wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion of someone you trusted. It could say, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>your friend Bob goes to Disney World all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask Bob, Bob's going to give you the straight information

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<v Speaker 1>about the Caribbean Beach Resort. Microsoft called its approach always present,

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<v Speaker 1>never intrusive, which is important, right, like to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Hey, you can leverage your friend group to

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<v Speaker 1>get more information about this. We'll even help identify who

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<v Speaker 1>those people are. That can come across as pretty creepy. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to suggest that Microsoft knows all about the

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<v Speaker 1>interests and experiences of your friends group, and that can

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<v Speaker 1>feel pretty intrusive. And Microsoft was trying to get ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of that saying oh, no, no, no, no, we're present,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're not trying to intrude upon everything. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>there as a resource to help you get more information

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<v Speaker 1>so you can make your decisions. That's a tricky path

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<v Speaker 1>to walk. It is hard to say, yeah, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to point you in the right direction by having you

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<v Speaker 1>connect with people you actually know. Oh, but don't worry

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<v Speaker 1>about how we know that this is the right person

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this thing. It's tough. Also, Microsoft updated

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<v Speaker 1>its slogan for its search engine, so earlier on it

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<v Speaker 1>was bing and decide, but in twenty twelve, Microsoft changed

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<v Speaker 1>it to bing is for hashtag doing. Microsoft maintained that

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<v Speaker 1>more often than not, people weren't just searching for something.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't, you know, using search as the first step

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<v Speaker 1>to go down a rabbit hole of information. Typically, instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they were using it as the beginning of actually doing

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<v Speaker 1>something to take some form of action, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>just reading about stuff in a somewhat random fashion. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're searching for something, it's probably because you have a

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<v Speaker 1>plan to do something, whether that's by you know, pet

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<v Speaker 1>food or book travel plans, or find a new job,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be. It wasn't just I'm just curious

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of jobs does Facebook have right now. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the following years, Microsoft continued to invest in being Yahoo

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<v Speaker 1>would go into further decline and Bing would at least

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<v Speaker 1>take up some of that slack. Google would continue to

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<v Speaker 1>dominate the search market, but some folks were looking around

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<v Speaker 1>for an alternative to Google because, well, for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons, but some folks were looking for it because

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<v Speaker 1>Google's incorporation of paid search results was really irritating them. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the ads that look like normal search results.

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<v Speaker 1>They are designated as ads. It's not like Google is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to completely pull the wool over your eyes, but

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<v Speaker 1>they typically are at the very top, right where you

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<v Speaker 1>would expect the best results to be. That's where the

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<v Speaker 1>advertised results are, and for a lot of people, it

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<v Speaker 1>can feel almost deceptive to see that the first answers

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<v Speaker 1>to whatever your question happened to be are all coming

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<v Speaker 1>from sources that paid to be at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the heap, and you might even suspect that none of

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<v Speaker 1>those results will contain the best answer for your question,

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<v Speaker 1>or even worse that if you were to follow those results,

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<v Speaker 1>you would just kind of land on a page that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't address what you were wondering at all. Instead, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just looking to convert you into a customer of some sort,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead you would have to scroll down past those

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<v Speaker 1>paid spots to find the actual results that didn't pay

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. They're just rising to the top because

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<v Speaker 1>of Google's page rank system. That's not a great user

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<v Speaker 1>experience if you feel like you constantly have to skip

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<v Speaker 1>the first few results in order to see things that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't tainted by the fact that people paid to be there. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>there was this concern of Google scooping up so much

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<v Speaker 1>personal information in an effort to target ads more effectively

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<v Speaker 1>that it was a threat to privacy. That's a huge issue,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for some users it is. I think anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who actually spends a little serious time thinking over the

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<v Speaker 1>implications of privacy ultimately arrives at a fairly dark conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>of about most of the web these days. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid, particularly if you're talking about companies like Google

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<v Speaker 1>or Meta that leans so heavily on advertising as the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of their revenue source. These companies have found far

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<v Speaker 1>more value in targeted advertising than just general advertising, so

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<v Speaker 1>by its very nature, these companies are dependent upon leveraging

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<v Speaker 1>your information as effectively as possible in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>make more money. Then there's the perception that Google search

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<v Speaker 1>results are just you know, not as good as they

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<v Speaker 1>used to be. And it's true that Google changes up

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<v Speaker 1>how its search algorithm works on occasion. When I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>for how Stuff Works, that was a constant source of anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Early on, when I worked at HowStuffWorks dot com, that

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<v Speaker 1>website consistently ranked very high in search results, at least

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, queries that related to stuff that was

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<v Speaker 1>on our website. If we had an article about something

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<v Speaker 1>about how something worked, and you were searching for something

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<v Speaker 1>along those lines, our website often would pop up at

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<v Speaker 1>the very top of the search results, and that meant

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<v Speaker 1>we got a lot of incoming traffic from people who

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<v Speaker 1>were just looking stuff up. And it was always our

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<v Speaker 1>goal to make HowStuffWorks dot Com a destination website on

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<v Speaker 1>its own. It would be a place for people to

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<v Speaker 1>go to just by choice, just to browse around, not

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<v Speaker 1>just when they were looking for a specific answer. But

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<v Speaker 1>that just was kind of a pipe dream. The simple

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<v Speaker 1>truth of it was the vast majority of visitors who

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<v Speaker 1>went to how Stuffworks dot Com arrived there via search,

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<v Speaker 1>and that meant we were heavily dependent upon how Google

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<v Speaker 1>ranked us. And unfortunately for How Stuff Works, our ranking changed,

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<v Speaker 1>and it changed while I was actually there. Now, keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind, I've worked the same job since two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven, but the company around me has changed like

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<v Speaker 1>six times. But yeah, back with How Stuffworks, Google made

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<v Speaker 1>some adjustments to its search algorithm and How Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>did not pop up quite so frequently. Now, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it was just Google punishing How Stuff Works. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there were some complicating factors, the big one being

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<v Speaker 1>that at the time we were owned by Discovery Communications,

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<v Speaker 1>and some might argue that How Stuff Works had become

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a dumping ground for a lot of lower

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<v Speaker 1>quality article topics. The writing was still top notch, the

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<v Speaker 1>writers were still doing a great job, but the subject

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<v Speaker 1>matter of the articles, it just wasn't the type of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that we would typically pitch During our weekly content meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>We would get these assignments that would be related to

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<v Speaker 1>big ad deals. This is not a joke. There was

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<v Speaker 1>one time where we had a package, an ad package

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<v Speaker 1>that was related to the topic of towing, as in

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<v Speaker 1>towing something behind your car. And I don't remember how

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<v Speaker 1>many articles were part of that package. I want to

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>say it was something ludicrous like eighty articles. Now, that

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>could just be a drastic exaggeration, but in my mind,

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't that much of an exaggeration because I know

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I wrote at least five articles about towing and I

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>don't even drive, y'all, And that was part of the

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 1>issue I think that heard our rankings and Google search.

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Another was that we had to write a lot of

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:15.120
<v Speaker 1>articles that were tied to various discovery shows, and some

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Discovery shows I really liked. I thought they were high quality,

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 1>like MythBusters, for example, writing articles relating to MythBusters that

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>was fun. But other shows felt less fun like they

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 1>were more exploitative, shows that leaned heavily on othering, for

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>example by taking some people and then saying, oh, aren't

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 1>they odd for one reason or another? Or they were

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>shows that had almost a side show kind of vibe

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>to them. I'm not going to name any because I

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>don't want to give any more attention to them. But

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>there were some shows that I thought I felt really

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 1>icky about, and occasionally How Stuff Works authors would have

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to write articles relating to that stuff too. Thankfully I

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't get those assignments, at least not most of the

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 1>time anyway. In my opinion, the combination of Google changing

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>its search algorithm and How Stuff Works generating a lot

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>of arguably lower quality content, again not because of the

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>writing but just because of the subject matter, led to

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>our page not ranking as highly in search results, and

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that hurt How Stuff Works a lot. As traffic began

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to slow down. Even our fans made note of that.

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>It became kind of a joke that you would start

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>calling how stuff works how towing works. But that's all

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>water under the bridge these days. At last I heard

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>how Stuff Works had shifted dramatically by firing the entire

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>editorial staff, switching to AI generated articles, and then using

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>contractors as editors to give those articles a look see

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>to make sure they weren't wildly inaccurate. I do not

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>know if that's still the case, however it may have

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>changed anyway. Kind of got off topic there, My apologies.

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>This is something I'm passionate about. Let's take another quick break.

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 1>When I get back, I'll straighten out. We'll get back

0:29:50.160 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>on topic. We're back. So before I went to the

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.239
<v Speaker 1>ad break, I was talking about how there was this

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>general perception that Google search results just weren't the same

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>quality as they used to be. And yeah, with How

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff Works, you could argue part of the reason for

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works this particular fate wasn't that Google's results

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>had declined in quality, but that the content on How

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works was declining in quality. But generally speaking, people

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 1>were saying Google search results just aren't very good, like

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not finding what I need to find. So that

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>led to some people asking for alternatives to Google. They

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>found that the privacy issue, the advertising issues, those were

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>just having too big of an impact on the actual

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>search results. This brings me to an article in Wired

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>back in twenty eighteen. It was written by Brian Barrett

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's titled I used only Bing for three months.

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's what I found and what I didn't Now. Barrett

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>first used the bing search app, So this is the

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>mobile app that at the time included specific types of

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>search ranging from videos to news, to music to gas.

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>So I guess if you wanted to search for gas

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>stations that are close to you, you could do that,

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>or petrol stations if you prefer. You know. Obviously Google

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>has different subcategories of search as well, like Google News,

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 1>so this is not that unusual. But it was a

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty wild variety of topics that Barrett encountered, and Barrett

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>claimed that the different tabs led to presentations of search

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 1>results and just general content that varied in usefulness and coherence,

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>like if you navigated to the near me tab, for example,

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>you would get certain stuff served up to you automatically

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>before you would even start searching. Same with any of

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the others. But he did say the near metab presented

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>him with an array of things located close by, including

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>an ar augmented reality style feature where you could hold

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>up your phone and using the rear facing camera, it

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>would display results in your screen for plays that were

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>near you, like in the direction that you were holding

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>your phone, so you can hold up your phone and

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 1>see that maybe down the street there's like a little

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Mexican restaurant, and it would include stuff like the rating

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>for that restaurant and maybe the hours for it, just

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>by holding up your phone and looking at the screen

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>as you move your camera around, which is pretty nifty,

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>particularly for back in twenty eighteen, because we're still talking

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>about implementations that are essentially the same thing, and it's

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>six years later now. Now. Overall, Barrett's experiences seemed like

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>he found the taxonomy and organization of the Being search

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>app a little weird and haphazard. The actual search was

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty straightforward, but the stuff that was presented on each

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>tab like a landing page, that's what seemed very weird

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>to him. I recommend reading the article to get the

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>full effect of what he was saying. Again, that's in wired.

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I used only Being for three months. Here's what I

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>found and what I didn't. Now. Barrett said that for

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the most part, being delivered search results that were at

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>least as good as Google's, although there was an exception.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>If Barrett searched for a specific article that had been

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>published on Wired, he found it was really challenging to

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 1>get BING to return relevant search results, Like they just

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>weren't popping up, even if he included several words found

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 1>in the headline of the article, or he included the

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>site like he wrote like in Wired, or if he

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>included the author who wrote the original piece, and that's

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>just kind of odd. But otherwise, he said, his take

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>was quote search is search is search end quote, meaning

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>that it's pretty unremarkable for the most part, Like, as

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>long as you're doing it, okay, it's good enough. And

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not like Google has the market on effective web search.

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>They just have the market on search in general. Now.

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, Bloomberg reported that a lawyer for

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Google had a bit of ironic information for the world,

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and that was that the top searched term on bing

0:33:55.720 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>was in fact Google. Now, if that's true, that has

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>to stay. So why would the lawyer even bring this up? Well,

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that was because Google was already in a stew because

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>regulators around the world were looking at the company's dominant

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>position and web search something that's still going on today,

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and the argument was that Google held the equivalent of

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a monopoly, and yeah, if you're hovering around ninety percent

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>of the market share, you kind of are a monopoly.

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if nine out of ten web searches around

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 1>the world are happening on your platform and the other

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>one out of ten are divided up among all your competitors,

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:40.280
<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty bleak picture as far as competition is concerned.

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>But Google's response was, Hey, it's not our fault. We

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>give the best search results. Even our largest competitor, Microsoft

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 1>bing sees that the top search query in their own

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>search tool is for us. How is it our fault

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.399
<v Speaker 1>that we're doing it better than anybody else, or how

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 1>is it a bad thing? The verge is Mitchell Clark

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>looked into this in October twenty twenty one and found

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>that a third party SEO analysis firm called au Refs

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>AhR EFS backed up what Google's lawyer claimed that Google

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>was in fact the top searched term on bing, followed

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 1>by YouTube, which of course is another Google property. Then

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Facebook and then whoopseee back to Google with Gmail. Yikes,

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>but that's global searches. If you restricted it to US

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>based searches, it would change. Actually Google fell to third place,

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Facebook took the top spot, but still Google being a

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>top five search item on the BING search tool. That's rough. Also,

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>here's another fun fact. Bing was the seventh most searched

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 1>term on BING, which definitely sounds weird, right, like, why

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>would someone go to bing to search baning because you're

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.720
<v Speaker 1>already there? But as Clark points out in his article,

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>that could come down to people using a platform that

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 1>has being set as the default search engine, but it's

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>not being itself. So let's say that you know, you're

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:15.359
<v Speaker 1>on a desktop app or a mobile app and BING

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 1>is powering the search, but it's not, you know, branded

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.319
<v Speaker 1>as BING, then maybe you would search ban in there

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:24.839
<v Speaker 1>to go straight to the BING search page itself as

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>opposed to just the search bar inside the app. That

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. In fact, that could also be how it's

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 1>happening with Google that people want to go to the

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Google home page and so they're just typing in Google

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>in whatever platform they happen to be in, and sometimes

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 1>that's powered by bing, So I bet Google is actually

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>a fairly high search term in Google's own search queries

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>as well, right, Like, I don't think it's just that

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>people are on bing and they're like, Oh, I don't

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>want to be here, let's look for Google anyway. In

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>late twenty twenty two, Microsoft engineers began to work with

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:02.360
<v Speaker 1>another technology that would change search and this is generative AI.

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>So before OpenAI began to dominate headlines in late twenty

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty two, Microsoft already had access to the GPT for

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Large Language Model and was probing its capabilities. Microsoft engineers

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>were really impressed with the performance of the Large Language Model,

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.919
<v Speaker 1>and they began working on a search tool that could

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 1>tap into those capabilities and combine them with search results.

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>And they called it Prometheus, which is a humble name

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.760
<v Speaker 1>to be sure, that's sarcasm. So Prometheus was a tool

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>that could mix generative AI responses with search results and

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 1>provide answers to a user that, if everything worked as intended,

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>might give all the information needed for basic queries, or

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>it could serve as a good start for a deeper

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>dive into the topic. Microsoft would ultimately develop Prometheus into

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>a new feature in being called Bing chat a chat

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>GPT like aiic conversationalist that could answer questions all by itself. Now,

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 1>most of the time those answers were perfectly cromulent, to

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 1>quote the Simpsons, but in other cases you would get outliers.

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>You get really weird stuff where the chatbot would present

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>incorrect or bizarre responses, sometimes like emotionally tinged responses, and

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>often this fell into the category of hallucinations or confabulations.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>In other words, the stuff that where an AI model

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>starts to statistically select the most likely following word, but

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it turns out it's the wrong word or the wrong

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>series of words, and that you know, just sometimes the

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>correct answer is an outlier statistically speaking, but AI models

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>follow the most likely statistical response, and so sometimes you

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 1>get weird stuff. Kevin Russ of The New York Times

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>wrote that the AI powered search propelled Being into becoming

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>his favorite search engine initially, but he followed that up

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.359
<v Speaker 1>with another piece just a little bit later, in which

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>he said that further interactions with the AI powered chatbot

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>made him feel kind of unsettled, and it dethroned Being

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>from being his favorite search engine. To read about his

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 1>uncanny chat encounter with Bing. You need to check out

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>his article from February sixteenth, twenty twenty three, in the

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>New York Times. It's titled a conversation with Bing's chatbot

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>left me deeply unsettled. And yeah, he explains like this

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>interaction convinced him that AI is not really ready for

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:35.959
<v Speaker 1>regular interactions with humanity, that those sort of things can

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>turn in a way that one are not necessarily helpful

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and two can be outright disturbing, Which is an interesting take.

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>But Microsoft has famously invested heavily in artificial intelligence, so

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we're backing out of AI powered search

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:57.240
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. It's one of those elements where Microsoft really

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>believes they can take a solid shot at Google. Google

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously has also invested heavily in AI powered search, although

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Google's attempts have received a lot of ridicule based upon

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>some bad results. I mean, you know, being told that

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the best way to keep cheese on your pizza is

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>by mixing glue in with the cheese is not great,

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>not a great look. So yeah, the Google's had its

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 1>own setbacks when it comes to generative AI incorporated within search,

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and I think Microsoft sees that as a real opportunity

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to make a bigger dent in Google's dominance. And again,

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>when every percentage point is equivalent to a couple of

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>billion dollars of revenue, that's a worthy endeavor. Notably, Microsoft

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 1>is dedicated around fourteen billion dollars into open ai. That's

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 1>that's the company that created GPT and chat GPT. But

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:52.919
<v Speaker 1>more recently the two companies appeared to be reevaluating that relationship.

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of articles published about how Microsoft

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 1>is looking at diversifying its approach to artificial intelligence, that

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 1>people at the company executives that the company have started

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<v Speaker 1>to question whether it's wise to depend so heavily upon

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<v Speaker 1>a partner company for AI capabilities, and that perhaps it

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<v Speaker 1>might be better to spread out and look at other

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities for AI and not just hit your wagon to

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<v Speaker 1>open AI's horse. Meanwhile, open ai has said, hey, should

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<v Speaker 1>we ever get to a point where we create artificial

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<v Speaker 1>general intelligence, we're severing the relationship with Microsoft so that

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<v Speaker 1>they cannot use AGI because we're too worried that Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>would use it for bad reasons and we would get

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<v Speaker 1>negative consequences. Also, open ai has reserved the right to

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<v Speaker 1>define what AGI is and decide when they get there,

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<v Speaker 1>So it essentially feels like it's a bargaining chip that

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<v Speaker 1>open ai is saying, hey, unless you continue to fund

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<v Speaker 1>us with billions of dollars each year, because AI is expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we don't get billions of dollars, we will

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<v Speaker 1>spend ourselves out of business. Then we're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>our toys and you're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>use them, and then you're really going to be behind Google. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to be what's going on, at least from

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective at the corporate level, and that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>where BING is right now. Does it become this heavily

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<v Speaker 1>AI dependent search tool that can potentially take a big

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<v Speaker 1>chunk out of Google's search dominance. It raises other questions

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like if a search engine ends up giving

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<v Speaker 1>you the material you need without you having to go

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<v Speaker 1>through and click on a link, then what good is

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<v Speaker 1>the search engine as a search engine? Because if the

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<v Speaker 1>traffic is not ultimately going to the companies that host

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<v Speaker 1>the information provided to create those answers, then those companies

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<v Speaker 1>are ultimately going to go out of business, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you no longer have a source of information to pull

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<v Speaker 1>from to get those answers that you need in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. So, in other words, the fear is that generative,

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<v Speaker 1>a eye powered search will ultimately cannibalize the Internet and

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<v Speaker 1>kill the source of info that it depends upon in

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<v Speaker 1>order to give us answers, and instead we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get answers that get less and less good as time

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<v Speaker 1>goes on, until ultimately we arrive at ideocracy. All roads

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<v Speaker 1>lead to idiocracy eventually. Is the saying that I just

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<v Speaker 1>made all right on that cheerful note. I hope all

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<v Speaker 1>of you out there are doing well. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States and you have not yet voted,

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<v Speaker 1>the election day is tomorrow, November fifth. No matter what

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<v Speaker 1>flubbs someone might say, it's not January fifth, it's November fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Go out there and vote. Do your research, make an

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<v Speaker 1>informed decision. The future of the country depends upon it.

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<v Speaker 1>The future of democracy depends upon it. Democracy only works

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<v Speaker 1>if people participate in it. So do your research, get

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<v Speaker 1>out to your polling place and vote if you haven't already.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those of you around the world, I wish

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<v Speaker 1>you the absolute best. I hope you're doing well, and

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