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Speaker 1: April Simon. Can you leave me sitting here?

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Speaker 2: I can and I don't hear too many of these stories,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Anna Kendall, I love to hear near death experiences.

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Speaker 1: And I think I heard him say that there will

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Speaker 4: There will be nine, will.

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Speaker 1: Be Okay, Rachel M. Brown, how are you?

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Speaker 5: I don't even know how it's possible that someone could

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Speaker 4: So I'm curious. Well, it's a miracle.

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Speaker 1: They called him the miracle man. That's what the doctor

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Speaker 5: Right, I do?

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Speaker 2: And when I found out we were having this, gust On,

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Speaker 1: Well, and Dean Braxton, welcome to the table. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: You know, it was supposed to be a simple surgery.

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Speaker 3: You know, Johnny, just to let you know, thank you

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Speaker 4: And eventually you recovered.

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Speaker 3: When I left my body, I saw this light right

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Speaker 3: It was so dark, I swear I believe people say

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Speaker 3: is when Elijah and Moses was on the amount of transfiguration.

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Speaker 6: The disciples or the apostles knew who they were.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Well, in your family, I saw.

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Speaker 3: Other relatives that had been grandparents, uncles, and aunts. But

451
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Speaker 3: what really got me wasn't the ones that I'd seen

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Speaker 3: on the planet when I was here. It was generation

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Speaker 3: after generation after generation after generation, at the generation of

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Speaker 3: everybody in my family.

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Speaker 6: That was there.

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Speaker 3: They came to gree wow, my entire family tree. And

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Speaker 3: I remember later on meditating on this in the hospital

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Speaker 3: room because I had separated myself from my family. To

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Speaker 3: be honest with you, I was born again. They dubbed

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Speaker 3: their thing over here. I was doing my thing over here.

461
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Speaker 3: I wasn't going to be around them those type of things.

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Speaker 3: And here I am in heaven seeing my family come

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Speaker 3: to greet me in, and I remember in my hospital

464
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Speaker 3: room saying, this family is important to you God, family

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Speaker 3: was created in the first chapter. Family was created to

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Speaker 3: be together for ever. Most of us don't realize that.

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Speaker 3: And I know some of us like, oh, there's some

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Speaker 3: people I do not want to be together.

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Speaker 6: But if they know Jesus Christ, and you know Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 6: you get.

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Speaker 3: Along with them, they get along with you. There's no

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Speaker 3: more issues. What got me about my family? Describing and

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Speaker 3: if you want to describe what the I don't. It's

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Speaker 3: hard for me to describe the looks because how do

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Speaker 3: you usually describe a person out of time? They're not

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Speaker 3: in time. So I described the essence. I tell people

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Speaker 3: they had joy, pure joy. They were shiny, and then

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Speaker 3: they had a big smile. They had pure joy. The

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Speaker 3: best way to explain that is when you become born

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Speaker 3: again or you have a child and you hold that

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Speaker 3: baby in your arm for the first time. The second

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Speaker 3: one is that they shine. Why were they shining because

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ was shining out of them. And the third

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Speaker 3: one listen to this, this is they had a big smile.

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Speaker 3: The reason they have big smile because they had no worries.

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Speaker 3: Think about it, you would.

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Speaker 6: Be smiling out type.

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Speaker 3: And then I always tell people, you know you in

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Speaker 3: heaven when your entire family smile and all that the

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Speaker 3: same time.

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Speaker 5: What was the biggest surprise that you experienced instant heaven?

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Speaker 3: What was the biggest My aunt barber I had ant

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Speaker 3: Barbera in hell and there she is.

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Speaker 7: An r.

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Speaker 5: Funny.

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Speaker 3: Wait what about you said, did you go to the

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Speaker 3: drum room?

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Speaker 5: Did you see the Father?

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Speaker 6: It was just not just the Father.

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Speaker 3: Jesus is there too, And what I really saw was

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Speaker 3: Jesus how he was strategizing and what he was coming

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Speaker 3: up with strategy.

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Speaker 6: You guys are part of the strategy.

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Speaker 3: He has a plan on how to reach everybody on

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Speaker 3: the planet. He just wants us to line up with

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Speaker 3: his plan. You know what I mean, most of us

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Speaker 3: don't realize it. He has a detailed plan on how

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Speaker 3: to reach everything.

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Speaker 4: So when did you find out you weren't staying.

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 3: He told me three times. The first time he told me, okay,

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Speaker 3: I was going, but my body wasn't ready. The second

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Speaker 3: time he wasn't ready. I just I got to what

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Speaker 3: I called like the edge of heaven, and I knew

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Speaker 3: my body wasn't ready, so I wasn't gonna leave okay,

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Speaker 3: And I was glad. I was so happy do you

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Speaker 3: understand The second time he told me, I got to

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Speaker 3: the edge of heaven and I knew my body wasn't

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Speaker 3: ready again, and I was like, all right, I am

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Speaker 3: staying for sure. And in between those times is when

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Speaker 3: I traveled through heaven. I went all over the place.

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Speaker 3: There was nothing I was prohibit to do in heaven.

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Speaker 3: There's so many things that I experienced. I've never talked

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Speaker 3: about everything. But in the third time, the third time

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Speaker 3: when he told me is when I was with the crowd.

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Speaker 6: I think I'm staying.

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Speaker 3: You know who.

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Speaker 6: You're in a crowd with.

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Speaker 3: Everybody else your pardon, and all of a sudden, Jesus there,

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Speaker 3: we're all around Jesus, and he looks at me and says, no,

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Speaker 3: it's not your time.

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Speaker 6: Go back.

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Speaker 3: The crowd opens up like the red sea would open up.

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Speaker 3: I'm the only one staying in there looking at him.

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Speaker 6: You understand on me everything.

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Speaker 3: On both sides of the they were like they were saying, uh,

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Speaker 3: he's not talking to me. And I remember those words

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Speaker 3: coming from it because he only spoke to me those times.

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Speaker 3: Everything else was thought the thought. But when he opened

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Speaker 3: his mouth, I remember that power coming and I thought

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Speaker 3: to myself I should be always say blown part, I

542
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Speaker 3: should not exist any longer. But it just came inside

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Speaker 3: of me, and I had total comforts, you know. And

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Speaker 3: the next thing I know, I was saying to him

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Speaker 3: like almost like a soldier, Yes, sir, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. And then I felt like he was saying

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Speaker 3: He didn't say it, but this is what I felt.

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Speaker 6: I need you there more than I need you here.

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Speaker 5: Did he give you instructions and what to do to.

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Speaker 6: Come back here on the planet. He ditched the reach

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Speaker 6: as many people as possible.

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Speaker 3: This story, because of the documentation, gets me into so

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Speaker 3: many areas well.

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Speaker 1: You've been able to share the gospel over and over

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Speaker 1: because of the documentation of you being dead.

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Speaker 4: Almost walk about waking up. Yeah, so did you just

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Speaker 4: go right back in your body?

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Speaker 3: So this is you're talking about the sad part of

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Speaker 3: the sad part. Once I left, I cried like a

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Speaker 3: baby all the way back to the planet. I remember

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Speaker 3: coming into the room and looking at the nurses and

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Speaker 3: then running around.

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Speaker 6: Really they had stopped.

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Speaker 3: They were filling out the death certificate and everything like that,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden.

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Speaker 6: This is the funny part.

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Speaker 3: I remember hovering over my body like that and then

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I turn over and go like this,

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Speaker 3: And I think the only reason I did that because

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Speaker 3: I didn't want my eyes in the back of my

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Speaker 3: head that I don't really so I went in and

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Speaker 3: then started pumping in everything. For three days, they had

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Speaker 3: me innovated, you know, the life support and all that

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Speaker 3: type of thing.

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Speaker 1: But they realized you came back to life.

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Speaker 4: They had to be shocked.

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Speaker 6: They were very shocked. The doctor was shocked.

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Speaker 5: You know, can the doctor explain. I mean, if you

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Speaker 5: didn't have oxygen to your brain for that, you should

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Speaker 5: have been It's a miracle. But what did they even

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Speaker 5: do When all of a sudden there's a pulse and

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Speaker 5: there's you know, you're back. They're like, wait a.

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Speaker 1: Second, everything's working.

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Speaker 3: They started working on me. They made sure the intubation

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Speaker 3: was taking place and I was breathing. He doesn't know

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Speaker 3: why he kept working on me as long as he did,

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Speaker 3: you understand, I mean.

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Speaker 6: He said, I just knew I had to.

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Speaker 3: I really believe, because people were praying, to be honest

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Speaker 3: with you, and then when they usually.

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Speaker 1: They would have given up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they thought I would have brain damage. Of course,

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Speaker 3: you know, I really believe I don't have brain dawns

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Speaker 3: because my wife battled for me.

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Speaker 6: She battled, she fought.

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Speaker 3: Even when they came to her and said that your

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Speaker 3: husband will probably have brain damage. She looked at the

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Speaker 3: doctor's and she said, it doesn't have to be that way.

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Speaker 3: She believed God could do another way. There's several things

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Speaker 3: that she did to protect his body. That the reason

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Speaker 3: I'm here. And another thing that she did was she

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Speaker 3: put outside the door. No one entered this room without

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Speaker 3: missus Braxton's permission. She didn't let anybody in that room

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Speaker 3: that didn't believe I could be totally healed. And if

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Speaker 3: you showed up and she vetted you, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: so good. And if you didn't meet the requirement, she say,

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Speaker 3: visiting hours is over.

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Speaker 6: She didn't let you.

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Speaker 5: Why didn't she think about your experience?

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Speaker 3: When I first came back, she was very, very, very

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Speaker 3: very happy. After a while, she was thinking, I don't

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Speaker 3: know about that you had changed dress. I had changed

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Speaker 3: so much, and you changed well, I wasn't. We had

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Speaker 3: a great relationship, me and my wife. Don't get me wrong,

615
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Speaker 3: it was really good. Afterwards, I was just a different man.

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Speaker 3: She had We had to build a whole new relationship

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Speaker 3: afterwards because I was different. Now for me to try

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Speaker 3: to tell you that, it's hard because I'm the guy

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Speaker 3: that changed, you know what I mean, And I don't

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Speaker 3: really have the remember to what it was like before

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Speaker 3: that much where she can tell you you used to

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Speaker 3: do this way, you used to do this, Now you

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Speaker 3: do it this way.

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Speaker 4: So good, so good, so good.

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Speaker 1: Well you talk about it on your book. We are

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Speaker 1: out of time. Everybody wants to jump in. I know

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Speaker 1: everybody's got a question. He didn't tell us every detail

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Speaker 1: we wanted to. We're gonna have lunch with him. I'll

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Speaker 1: get more details and tell you about it later. But

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Speaker 1: here's this book, Deep Worship in Heaven. He talks a

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Speaker 1: lot about worship. How important that is. We are out

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Speaker 1: of time, wonn't you remember that Heaven is a real

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Speaker 1: place and it's closer than you can imagine. You may

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Speaker 1: not know what tomorrow holds, but you can know where

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Speaker 1: you'll spend eternity when you accept Jesus the free gift

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Speaker 1: of salvation. If you're watching today and you don't know Jesus,

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Speaker 1: all you have to do is invite men, say Jesus, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just here after we say Jesus, Jesus, forgive me, forgive

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Speaker 1: me into my heart, to my heart to be Lord

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Speaker 1: and Savior. Lord, say I believe you died on the cross.

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Speaker 4: Leave for me for me, Thank you, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, and fill me with your spirit.

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Speaker 4: Fill me with you in Jesus name, Jesus Name. Amen.

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Speaker 1: Just that easy, and some of you have been moved

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Speaker 1: a bout what you're listening to.

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Speaker 4: Heaven is a real place. Hell is a real place.

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Speaker 1: And the reason that we tell you that is because

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Speaker 1: we love you. And just like Dean was talking about,

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Speaker 1: we want to see how many people we can take

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Speaker 1: with us to Heaven. There's nothing more important than to

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Speaker 1: understand where you're going to spend eternity. And Jesus did

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Speaker 1: that just for you. Well, our prayer partner's standing by.

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Speaker 1: They're ready to pray with you, and we'd love to

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Speaker 1: you can call that number. But if you pray that prayer,

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Speaker 1: we'd love to send you the Gospel of John Well.

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Deing Braxen for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to pick up a copy of his book,

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Speaker 1: Deep Worship and Heaven. For more you can visit him

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Speaker 1: Thank you again those of you are watching. If you

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer call us, We love you.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye for today. Content warning.

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Speaker 9: This segment includes discussions of sensitive topics like abuse and

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Speaker 9: adult material.

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Speaker 1: Viewer discussion advised. Well, you know nearly every religion has

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Speaker 1: its own version of hell. Well, today's guest, a foreign bootist,

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Speaker 1: thought he understood it until he came face to face

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Speaker 1: with the truth. Now he reveals how eight hours in

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Speaker 1: hell shattered everything he believed about the afterlife. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: had an incredible near death experience.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna love it so much.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, join me around the

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Speaker 1: table is April Simon's how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: No, Just when we think we've heard it all on

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Speaker 2: this table we hear more so we have some great

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Speaker 2: let's sair, this is going to be awesome.

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Speaker 1: No, I love these kind of testimonies. Dorothy Newton, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Really really good?

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Speaker 8: And I'm so happy to be here, you know, I'm

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Speaker 8: like April Man. There's so many stories, so many great stories,

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Speaker 8: compelling stories about how God does the most reckless thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: in people's lives.

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Speaker 4: Like the Bible. Yes, when we read some of those stories.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Rachel am Brown. We love testimonies, don't we.

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Speaker 5: We love testimonies. And I'm excited to hear this one

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Speaker 5: because sometimes people think like Hella is in a real

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Speaker 5: place right, And there's been actually a lot of conversation

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Speaker 5: this week on social media about will we eternally suffer

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Speaker 5: if we go to hell? On all the things, and

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Speaker 5: so oh wow, it's people are saying, you know, things

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Speaker 5: that aren't true, and so to hear like a first

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Speaker 5: hand account of somebody that actually experienced it.

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Speaker 4: And he'll address that question.

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Speaker 1: But we all know that when God creates an eternal soul,

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Speaker 1: it's eternal. Yes, yeah, we're indestructible. So whenever we leave

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Speaker 1: this life, we'll go somewhere and so hopefully we'll take

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Speaker 1: people to heaven with this.

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Speaker 4: That's why we do what we do every day.

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Speaker 1: Cindy Johnston, how are you a doing great?

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Speaker 9: Excited about the show? I love testimonies just like everyone else.

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Speaker 9: But to see that God can take you no matter

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Speaker 9: where you've been, and then the lowest of the low

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Speaker 9: and be able to see what He brings us out

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Speaker 9: of and it's amazing to me.

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Speaker 4: It really is.

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Speaker 1: As somebody's watching right now, Cindy Murdock, welcome to the table,

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Speaker 1: and they just feel like they've gone too far, made

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Speaker 1: too many mistakes.

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Speaker 4: That is a lie.

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Speaker 1: It is a lie.

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Speaker 10: And one of the things about the testimony we're here

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Speaker 10: today is that God looked upon the heart of this

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Speaker 10: young man. And that's what I love about the Father God.

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Speaker 10: He looks at each one of us upon our heart.

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Speaker 10: We understand of our heart like where we've been, well

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Speaker 10: we've gone through.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he understands some of you that have been tormented

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Speaker 1: or dealing with anxiety or fear. And this is the

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Speaker 1: program you need to sit down and watch. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: today's guest is a passionate evangelist and the author of

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Speaker 1: Eight Hours in Hell. Please welcome Steve King, come on instee,

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Speaker 1: yeah a lot, We're welcome.

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Speaker 7: Great to have you.

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Speaker 1: So good to have you. And I just have to

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Speaker 1: say something funny at the top of the table, is

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Speaker 1: that Dorothy here watches Korean TV.

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Speaker 5: Only Korea.

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Speaker 4: She watches here to speak it.

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Speaker 1: My name.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I have never watched Korean. I don't even

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Speaker 4: know what she's talking about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that tells you right away that Steve was

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Speaker 1: born in South Korea. But Steve King believed heaven and

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Speaker 1: Hell were temporary stops. But everything changed when his soul

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Speaker 1: was torn from his body and hurled into eternal torment.

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Speaker 1: After eight excruciating hours, it was Jesus who rescued him.

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Speaker 1: Steve joined us today to tell the whole story. So

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Speaker 1: take us back. Growing up born in South Korea, very

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Speaker 1: affluent family, and very devout Buddhist.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I was very devout. I was not a nominal Buddhist.

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Speaker 11: I was all in Buddhist. And that's because I saw

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Speaker 11: my grandparents all in. My parents were all in. I said,

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Speaker 11: you know what, this is my lot in life. And

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Speaker 11: ever since I was a child, I have so many questions.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if all six year olds have this,

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Speaker 11: But I was asking questions to the monks and to

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Speaker 11: the guid up there, you know who you know, why

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Speaker 11: is there so much injustice in this world? Why are

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Speaker 11: some poor and some rich? Why are some dying early

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Speaker 11: and some healthy till ninety and they're not even righteous?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So this was my question though, How can I

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Speaker 4: find peace?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean that was part of it, Like you kept

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Speaker 1: trying to feel that spot.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there was always something missing in my heart no

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Speaker 11: matter how many hours I prayed, and you prayed hours.

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Speaker 1: And hours hour, because it was almost like they I

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Speaker 1: guess the monks told you that the more you pray,

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Speaker 1: the better for your after life, and you have to

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Speaker 1: maybe redeem sins that have gone on in your life.

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Speaker 1: So you've got it's like a work mentality.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, not when he works, but a lot of tripping

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Speaker 11: because they're like, if you don't pray, you're going to

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Speaker 11: have a worse next life, because reincarnation is the court

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Speaker 11: teaching of Buddhism and you have to earn your salvation.

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Speaker 7: So I remember being so afraid, like what if I.

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Speaker 11: Get born into a cow or ant, because that's part

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Speaker 11: of the Buddhist theology. You can become a warmer ant

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Speaker 11: a bird. So I was like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 11: be no bird in my next life. So I was like,

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Speaker 11: they can fly, but they don't live long. I was like,

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna I'm gonna pray.

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Speaker 7: So I was in, oh yeah, and it's okay.

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Speaker 11: So so I remember just in the temple was like

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Speaker 11: striving getting the Buddha to wink at me or have

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Speaker 11: an encounter, but not okay.

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Speaker 1: So eventually you moved from South Korea to America when

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Speaker 1: you were nine years old.

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Speaker 4: What happened then?

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Speaker 7: So I moved to America.

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Speaker 11: I was living in Boston, Massachusetts, and a town called

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Speaker 11: a Waltham and then bed for ten thousand people. And

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Speaker 11: even then I had a lot of friends that went

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Speaker 11: to church, a Catholic church, a Christian church, but I

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Speaker 11: never went because I went to stay loyal by the

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Speaker 11: identity crisis, because I was the only Asian American in

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Speaker 11: the whole town.

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Speaker 7: This is one other Asian girl. So I was like, hey, girl,

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Speaker 7: let's talk. And she's like, hey, don't get there.

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Speaker 4: Me mad two of us too much, Like that's funny.

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Speaker 7: So I tried to fit in.

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Speaker 11: I played like lacrosse football, grew my hair, long.

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Speaker 7: One year, I was a heavy metal band, one year

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Speaker 7: I was a hip hop rapper that next year. None

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Speaker 7: of it worked to fill up with heart.

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Speaker 1: Well, eventually you went back to South Korea.

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Speaker 4: Yes, tell us about that.

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Speaker 11: I went back to South Korea because I was grieving

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Speaker 11: my mom, you know, a teenager. So my mom was like,

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Speaker 11: you coming back, my dad, when you come back to Korea.

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Speaker 11: So I moved back, and in South Korea there were.

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Speaker 7: Way more temples.

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Speaker 11: So I was at a private school called a sis

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Speaker 11: So International School. So I got more into Buddhism when

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Speaker 11: I got back to Korea.

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Speaker 1: Did that help bring you more peace or what you

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Speaker 1: were looking for?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I had a temporary peace, like because I had my

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Speaker 11: grades went up, my dad was there. I saw people,

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Speaker 11: other Korean kids. They thought it was cool because I

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Speaker 11: spoke English.

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Speaker 7: They're like, oh, you speak English. You know.

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Speaker 11: I was kind of popular, like in Korea, like people

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Speaker 11: line up if you speak English back and now it's

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Speaker 11: kind of common. But I had some peace, but there

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Speaker 11: was still that fear of darkness and demons, and there

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Speaker 11: was something always looming over me like that I just

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Speaker 11: thought was a part of life.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So then and after kind of established the South Korea.

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Speaker 1: Then something happens and you have to move back to America.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, nothing really happened. But during that time, my dad,

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Speaker 11: it was natural. I went to international school, so all

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Speaker 11: these students would come back to America for college. So

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Speaker 11: I got into a college in California because I got

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Speaker 11: rejected from all the IVY leagues, waitists, waitless, Harvard wait

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Speaker 11: listed me, Cornell wait list. But I got into a

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Speaker 11: prestigious school called a Pomona College.

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Speaker 7: In Claremont, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So everything's going good. Then what happened?

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Speaker 11: Everything was going good. I had my whole life planned out.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 11: If you want to make God laugh, you plant your life.

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Speaker 11: I got a better on with you.

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Speaker 7: So I have my whole life.

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Speaker 1: Like when you tell God what you're going to do

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Speaker 1: with your life.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, He's.

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Speaker 11: Like, no, I am the author of your life. But

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Speaker 11: I didn't know that back then. So I'm here. I'm

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Speaker 11: in California, I studying hard, waiting to become an attorney.

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Speaker 11: Because all my friends became attorneys that graduate from the school,

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Speaker 11: and but me, my dad went so in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 11: Korea and along with all the other Asian country just

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Speaker 11: went thro a financial crisis and my dad lost everything.

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Speaker 7: He had like six seven businesses.

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Speaker 11: He doesn't even know how to drive because we had

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Speaker 11: private drivers everywhere. He was eating breakfast and Korea lunch

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Speaker 11: in Japan, kind of guy dinner in Hong Kong. But

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Speaker 11: he was He calls me and goes, we're bankrupt and

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Speaker 11: I was like, no, we're not that Like he's like,

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Speaker 11: I'm serious. So I had to find a place to live,

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Speaker 11: which was my friend's house and it was a drug

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Speaker 11: dealing house. I didn't know because it was my friend

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Speaker 11: from high school and I was getting high every day.

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Speaker 11: I just thought it was a writer passage. I thought

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Speaker 11: everybody does that.

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Speaker 1: So in the house he was selling drugs and then

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Speaker 1: you just became immersed with that crowd.

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Speaker 4: You just joined rite in.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I went there.

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Speaker 11: They cut my The first thing they did was cut

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Speaker 11: my hair, so we all had the same haircut.

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Speaker 7: I was like, cool, free haircut.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 11: But I don't remember being sober ladies for even one

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Speaker 11: day during that whole summer.

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Speaker 5: Night, because I'm not scare you like that you got

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Speaker 5: so sucked in.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was scared.

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Speaker 11: Because, like I saw people getting high every day, drug

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Speaker 11: dealing like guns, and I was like, I didn't sign

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Speaker 11: up for this. It for one summer and I'll go

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Speaker 11: back to my goody goody like nerdy life in college

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Speaker 11: in the summer in the fall.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, there was a lot of oh yeah, a

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Speaker 7: lot of drama.

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Speaker 4: So you were like, what nineteen.

892
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, eighteen becoming nineteen.

893
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so tell us about that faithful day.

894
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 7: Yeah.

895
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 11: So the faithful day came in September of nineteen ninety

896
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 11: eight where I smoked the death bowl.

897
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 7: It's just a street slang word.

898
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 4: Then what is that?

899
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 11: So it looks like regular weed marijuana? I don't know

900
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 11: if you guys want it looks like, but just google it.

901
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 7: It was spray. It was not spray pain.

902
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 11: It was laced sprayed with heroin, cocaine and PCP. It's

903
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 11: almost as strong as fentanyl and it's very dead least

904
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 11: when I so, fifty percent of heroin smokers actually commit

905
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 11: suicide or die from overdose or lack of So when

906
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 11: I smoked it, I felt like different and my anxiety

907
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 11: level just went up the roof.

908
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 7: I was like, this isn't weed.

909
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 11: And then that high stayed with me for ten days,

910
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 11: but it lasts.

911
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 7: It got worse every day.

912
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: And so did you begin to see things like in

913
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: the spirit realm during that time?

914
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was way worse than that. It was like

915
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 7: I felt it. I saw it.

916
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: Were their voices speaking to you.

917
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: I mean I heard this so many times.

918
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: Your people have been on you know, some kind of

919
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: drug prize, because it really opens the window for the

920
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: demonic to come in.

921
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 4: That happened.

922
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 5: You're not upset, I hear whoever gave me?

923
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, I was looking from like are you Are

924
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 11: you okay? Because we were smoking it together, like if

925
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 11: I'm going through this, you must be. But I couldn't

926
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 11: even get in touch with him. He wouldn't pick up

927
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 11: the phone. Either he got high or died, who knows.

928
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 11: Never heard about him after that date. So so during

929
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 11: those ten days, the it's like, you know, when you pray,

930
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 11: Heaven's open.

931
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 7: When you do drugs, hell opens. So hell was open.

932
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 7: I was getting attacked anxiety, fear around.

933
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 11: My brain was so fried though, so damaged that I

934
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 11: couldn't read one sentence in a book. I had no

935
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 11: idea what time or date was. So my mom goes, oh,

936
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 11: the guys are magnique to of prayer. So she pulls

937
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 11: me out of the school and.

938
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 7: We're at home praying. And while we're praying at home.

939
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 11: Oh man, I went through poltagized movie like one, two three,

940
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 11: because cups are falling by themselves. We had a piece

941
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 11: of paper that had Buddhist blessings on it and it

942
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 11: was making metallic noises, scaring the heck out of us.

943
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 7: So it was both not just spiritual, and there was

944
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 7: like to.

945
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Mommic activity that was taking place.

946
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, things moving, And did your mom know what was

947
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 5: going on with you?

948
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was super scared.

949
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 11: She said, she was scared with me, and she's like,

950
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 11: we got to pray, but she saw what was happening,

951
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 11: and she's like, we're at the end of the world.

952
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 7: We got to do something. So we were praying on

953
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 7: our knees.

954
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 11: To the guys in the temple whatever statues, and it

955
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 11: got worse and worse and worse.

956
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: Nobody showed up.

957
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 11: Nobody showed up because I called the Buddhist monks and

958
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 11: the timing was horrible because they're like, we're doing a

959
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 11: silent prayer once a year and this is that week,

960
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 11: so we can't help you. I was like so disappointed.

961
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 11: We gave all our wealth to that and they're like not.

962
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 7: There to help.

963
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 4: Wow, that's her.

964
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 7: Wow.

965
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So on the tennes day, what happened.

966
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, So on the tenth day, but before the tenth day,

967
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 11: Jody I wrote my mama letter said Mom, I'm so

968
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 11: sorry I.

969
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 7: Failed you in this life.

970
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 11: I'll go ahead of you and meet you in my

971
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 11: next life in the afterlife.

972
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 7: She read the letter. JESU just sat weeping.

973
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 11: That's like the eighth day, and before I attempted suicide.

974
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 11: The tenth day, the apparition came to me. You know,

975
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 11: like Jesus visits Christians, this evil spirit visited me and said,

976
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 11: if you offer your life as a sacrifice, I'll give

977
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 11: you fifty thousand lest year as a.

978
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 4: Hell, fifty thousand less.

979
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 11: Yeah, because in Buddhism you have heaven Hell, and they're

980
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 11: not forever. You go in and come back out, you

981
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 11: get reincarnated. You go to Hell, you visit, you come out,

982
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 11: you go to Heaven, come out, you get reincarnate until

983
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 11: you reach nirvana, which is you become God, which is yeah,

984
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 11: which is not possible, by the way, So right because

985
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 11: I tried it doesn't work. So so here I am

986
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 11: sitting there doing the math three minutes of paying for

987
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 11: fifty thousand lest years A hell, you know.

988
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 7: I'll go for it.

989
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 11: On the tenth day, I went to the kitchen. I

990
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 11: grabbed the biggest knife I could find, and I was

991
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 11: on my knees in the living room to go to heaven.

992
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 11: You know that's what happens when you get high and

993
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 11: you don't have Jesus. So I put the knife on

994
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 11: my stomach and I'm like, I've never killed myself before,

995
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 11: so I'm like, do I go in?

996
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 7: Do I go syrus? I'm sitting there thinking.

997
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 11: My mom walks in and she I saw in the

998
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 11: corner of my eye.

999
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 7: She calls nine one one.

1000
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 11: This is in the city of Irvine, California, the safest

1001
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 11: city in America. Have so many cops. They came in

1002
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 11: like thirty seconds. I was contemplating. I looked to my

1003
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 11: right day but you hadn't put the knife in yet,

1004
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 11: not yet, because I didn't know how. And I was

1005
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 11: to be very scared, like this is gonna hurt. I

1006
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 11: got to do it to go to heaven.

1007
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: Wow.

1008
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 11: And then when the cops came in, the evil spirit

1009
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 11: speaks to me again, which I thought was God back

1010
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 11: then goes it's.

1011
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 7: Now where never.

1012
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 11: So I went Harden stabbed myself like many times, and

1013
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 11: then I still was alive. They're jumping on me, macing me,

1014
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 11: putting the back because I was with the power drugs.

1015
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 11: I saw his strength left, so I went for the neck. Oh,

1016
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 11: and I showed the scars.

1017
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: I can see your scar.

1018
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh wow.

1019
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 7: So many people saw it. I have a deep scar

1020
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 7: here here.

1021
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 11: My finger is still broken from the bat wounds and

1022
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 11: it will be healed at the resurrection.

1023
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 7: So I lost so much.

1024
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 11: Blood, and my mom said later the entire living room

1025
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 11: was like covered with red blood. And I got carried

1026
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 11: off to the operation room at Ucry Medical Center, which

1027
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 11: was the closest one that could fix this stuff. And

1028
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 11: as I'm going there, I had what's called the ND,

1029
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 11: which is very popular topic nowadays, a near death experience

1030
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 11: because many people think about death right and I experienced

1031
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 11: it almost firsthand. I wasn't medically dead, but I was unconscious.

1032
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 7: I was in a coma.

1033
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 11: And as I'm going from eternity back to Earth, eternity

1034
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 11: back to Earth.

1035
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: In other words, like you're in your body and you're

1036
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: above your body looking at yourself.

1037
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, I can see myself and then going in and out,

1038
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 11: in and out.

1039
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 5: And as I'm doing, did you feel anything, Well, all I.

1040
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 11: Felt was fear on certainty, anxiety, and the physical pain

1041
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 11: kind of left when I had out of my experience,

1042
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 11: but it will come back. It was going in and

1043
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 11: out and the near death experience, ob is out of

1044
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 11: body experience and these near death experience and instead of

1045
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 11: when I left, instead of going up, I just started sinking.

1046
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 11: It was so scary because you know when you guys

1047
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 11: all right roller coasters, you know, goes back up and stops.

1048
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: And I said, that's like remember when John Ramiers is

1049
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: on here. Yes, you talked about like a train a

1050
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: roller coaster.

1051
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 11: History is so amazing of God's grace. And I felt

1052
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 11: felt felt like a little bit of falling. And when

1053
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 11: I landed, when I oh land, I look around and

1054
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 11: I'm not on earth anymore, and I'm not in heaven

1055
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 11: for sure. I was in hell, which I didn't even

1056
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 11: believe in because in Buddhism, like I said, there's no

1057
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 11: eternal health.

1058
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 4: And she said that was the first shock. It was

1059
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 4: a first shock you to say there is a real

1060
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: little hell.

1061
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's a literal hell which is in the Bible,

1062
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 11: which is in almost every religion, like you mentioned.

1063
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Which Jesus had more to say about than Heaven.

1064
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 7: Thank you.

1065
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 11: Yes, Jesus talks more about Hell because when I went

1066
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 11: to Hell, it was so crowded.

1067
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 7: There's so many.

1068
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 11: People there, and I knew for the first time in

1069
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 11: my life, as I looked around, I saw utter darkness, purple,

1070
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 11: reddish rocks everywhere. I saw demons that were big that

1071
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 11: I knew were in charge of this place called Hell.

1072
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: I even felt like huge demons.

1073
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I knew they're going to torture as soon

1074
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 11: because I looked to my left and there's like cells

1075
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 11: with bars, and I knew I was.

1076
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 7: Going to go in there next, like that's where I belong.

1077
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 11: And all the people I couldn't see their faces. But

1078
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 11: in Hell, unlike Earth, where God blesses both the wicked

1079
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 11: and the righteous temporarily he gives son, he says in

1080
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 11: the Bible, he blesses everyone on Earth to a certain extent,

1081
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 11: in Hell, there's not even a drop of God.

1082
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 7: It's what.

1083
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: There's no presence of God, no, not at all, because

1084
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: the Holy spirits on the earth, and we don't even

1085
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: realize sometimes that presence, this year. Yes, So that's another

1086
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: person I interview said that was the most distinguishing factor

1087
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: in his mind that when he was there, that the

1088
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: absence of the presence of God was suffocating to him.

1089
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 11: Not only was it suffocating, it's utter fear, anxiety, condemnation, guilt, hopelessness,

1090
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 11: multiply aby one hundred.

1091
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 9: Ye, all the things we want to try and get

1092
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 9: away on earth.

1093
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Except you said, it's magnified like a thousand times.

1094
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's so hopeless. It's the end.

1095
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 11: And I knew when I got there that I was

1096
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 11: a sinner for the first time in my life.

1097
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 7: Isn't that strange?

1098
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 11: I just supernaturally knew I deserve to be in hell,

1099
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 11: And secondly, I knew I was going to be here

1100
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 11: forever and ever. So I was like, Wow, how the

1101
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 11: heck do I know this? And as I looked around,

1102
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 11: I was in so much agony. I couldn't ask people

1103
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 11: in front of me, like, Hey, where are you from?

1104
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 7: What cuts you from? What city from?

1105
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 11: You're just an utter torment and agony yourself that there's

1106
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 11: no capacity to communicate with other human beings. It's what

1107
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 11: a pastor in Korea calls perfect separation from God. From

1108
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 11: a perfect God, perfect judgment on his perfect enemies in

1109
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 11: a perfect way. So it was not created for human beings.

1110
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 11: It was created for the devil and the evil angels.

1111
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 11: But people choose to go there because they don't want God,

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Speaker 11: they want to be God, or they want to continue

1113
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Speaker 11: to live.

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00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: In their sin because God made provision for us. Yes

1115
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: you did, okay, So what happened? Did you hear a voice?

1116
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Did Jesus speak to you? I mean your mom in

1117
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: the meantime, it knows that you're dying, and she's calling

1118
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: out to Buddha and every God right and nothing's working. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: And then I love this part.

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Speaker 4: She remembers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: She remembers that the friend of the guy that was

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Speaker 11: doing at the house doing drugs with missus Kim, she

1124
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Speaker 11: was a Christian. So she calls her because the monks

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Speaker 11: ain't pick up the phone. So missus Kim tells my

1126
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Speaker 11: mom for the first time, this is spiritual warfare, and

1127
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Speaker 11: my mom goes spiritual What never heard the word of

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00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 11: my life? She's like, you want to can I call

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00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 11: the pastors to pray for you?

1130
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Speaker 7: Since she goes, please, I'll try anything.

1131
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Speaker 11: So eight pastors from the local church Grace Minishes International,

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Speaker 11: eight pastors and prayer warriors where I later became a

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Speaker 11: youth pastor and got baptized.

1134
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Speaker 4: Yes to get your al first.

1135
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, And they came over and they pray for.

1136
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: Me in the entire eight hour operation and they start

1137
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: they start praying for you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. They don't even know me. They pray for me.

1139
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Speaker 11: And later when I woke up from the surgery, the

1140
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Speaker 11: doctor said.

1141
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: Why you went back into your body? Did you remember,

1142
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: like going back into your body for al?

1143
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1144
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 11: So when I opened my eyes after experiencing hell, I

1145
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 11: was so glad to be on earth because I had

1146
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 11: staples everywhere. There's twos going on everywhere, and I looked

1147
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 11: at my body and I was like, wow, like I'm

1148
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 11: back on earth. And the first people I saw were

1149
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 11: they eight pastors and prayer words from that church and.

1150
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 7: They they go and they look at me and going,

1151
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 7: Jesus name, Devil be gone. I said, I'm not the

1152
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 7: devil because they were afraid I might.

1153
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 11: Jump on her with all these staples and I'm like,

1154
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 11: you know, two's on me and I'm not the devil man.

1155
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 11: And she goes, oh good. Just want to make sure

1156
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 11: she goes what did you see. I tell her what

1157
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 11: I saw. She goes, you saw the biblical hell. Do

1158
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 11: you want to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior life?

1159
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 11: I said, yes, I do. So she leaves me in

1160
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 11: the Sinner's prayer and I prayed for the first time.

1161
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 7: But before I woke up, I didn't see God yet.

1162
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 4: What are the.

1163
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: Doctors doing while you're praying the Sinner's prayer?

1164
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Speaker 11: I think I was in the operation room, so you know.

1165
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 11: I met them after. Yeah, And they even said it

1166
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 11: was a miracle because during the operation my heart and

1167
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 11: blood ray went so low. They told my mom, you

1168
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 11: need to get ready to let your son go. Imagine, guys,

1169
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 11: if the people didn't pray, where I would be? Yeah,

1170
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 11: imagine where you would be if the brothers didn't pray

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00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 11: for you.

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00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're tardy.

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Speaker 11: I measure where you would be if nobody pray for you.

1174
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Speaker 1: But God looked at your heart even when you were

1175
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: in hell.

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Speaker 7: I believe so, and and He used your mom.

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Speaker 1: In those prayer warriors so true, and Heaven heard the

1178
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Speaker 1: prayers and gave you an opportunity to make the choice. Yes, ma'am,

1179
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: When you not only made that pray that prayer, one time.

1180
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: How many times did you pray it?

1181
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1182
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 11: When I woke up, I prayed it ten times because

1183
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 11: I didn't want to go back down there yet.

1184
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 7: And you know what's funny is.

1185
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 11: Because I didn't have the capacity to pray. I believe

1186
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 11: when we pray for others, God hears you and answers

1187
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Speaker 11: on the behalf. Because some people are so deceived and

1188
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Speaker 11: not right with God or.

1189
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 7: Living in sin or in other religions that.

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Speaker 11: Other people's prayer will save them.

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00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's called intercession.

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00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 5: What did your mom think about you accepting Jesus.

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Speaker 11: Oh, she loved it. And we all changed religions that day.

1196
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Speaker 11: We went from Buddhism Christ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know what with it's the only religion.

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Speaker 4: That it's a free gift.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, so all you have to do is

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Speaker 1: just say Jesus com into my heart, forgive me and

1201
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: be Lord of my life and save me, and it will.

1202
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 4: It changes everything.

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00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: So at some point I want to mention that you

1204
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: met someone you got married when you talked about her earlier.

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Speaker 11: Yes, my wife, Grace going Kim. Her mom is a

1206
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Speaker 11: pastor and she has.

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Speaker 4: One of those testimonies.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, she was very faithful like her worst sin was

1209
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Speaker 11: like going to karaoke and singing or.

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Speaker 7: Kate pop song is like the biggest shit. I was like,

1211
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 7: thank you from a different world girl, How you with me?

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Speaker 11: So I had to like live. When I first met her,

1213
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 11: He's like, what's your job? We were a blind day.

1214
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 11: My mom set me up. She was the pianist for

1215
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 11: Grace Church and I wasn't a pastor back then, so

1216
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 11: so she was, what's your job? I got I'm a consultant.

1217
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 11: What kind of consult I do? Spiritual consulting?

1218
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 12: And she's like, what you send in your book?

1219
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 4: Like why didn't I do any sooner?

1220
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1221
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 4: Like it changed your life?

1222
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 11: Yes, I learned how to love and doubt of myself

1223
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 11: because because the Bible says to love your spouse, says

1224
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 11: Christ Officer Church. So I had all these conditions when

1225
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 11: we first met, and they all went out the window

1226
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 11: after we got married. Yeah, and I just love her,

1227
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 11: gave her everything unconditionally. She's a professional pianist, So I

1228
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 11: bought her a piano, moved, got a job for her.

1229
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 11: Can you believe that I'm a bi vocational pastor now?

1230
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 7: Because of her? I got a job. I had to

1231
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 7: do a business.

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Speaker 1: Quickly tell us this is important. They were about nine

1233
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: months that he really couldn't get those images of Hell.

1234
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: It was so profound. And one night the Lord gave

1235
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: you a dream to quickly tell us that, and it

1236
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: changed everything for you.

1237
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I was still suffering from the trauma of Hell.

1238
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 11: I was still very sick. My body was still supernaturally

1239
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 11: not healed yet, but it got healed ten years later.

1240
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 11: So it's when I joined the army and became a

1241
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 11: lieutenant in the US Army because I got supernaturally healed.

1242
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 11: But before all that, because I was so in fear still,

1243
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 11: even though I met God to a certain extent, he

1244
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 11: showed me heaven, and it was at the time when

1245
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 11: I least deserved it, and it was just sacked. The

1246
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 11: Bible says phil that the peace of God love, and

1247
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 11: I met the Father. I saw the gold streets, I

1248
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 11: saw the gold city.

1249
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 7: I heard angels worship.

1250
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: He saw green grass like you've never seen.

1251
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: Yes, and then new Jerusalem coming there.

1252
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 7: Yes, the New Jerusalem.

1253
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 11: It was just secked streets of gold, walls of gold,

1254
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 11: the whole entire city. And I knew that this is

1255
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 11: my home and it's everyone's home that accepts Jesus's Lord,

1256
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 11: not any other God, only Jesus. And it healed me,

1257
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 11: and the Father spoke to me. He spoke to me.

1258
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 11: I heard the auto the voice of God, the Father,

1259
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 11: the creator.

1260
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 7: Of heaven and earth.

1261
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: What do you say?

1262
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 11: He said, Jesus Christ is my beloved son and who

1263
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 11: I am.

1264
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 7: Well, please listen to him. Listen to him. Listen to him.

1265
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 7: And that's in the Bible. Three times out of the phobossop.

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00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 9: Wow.

1267
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 11: And I woke up and I said, I can't backslide

1268
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 11: no more. I'm gonna walk right with God. Because God

1269
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 11: is not looking for religious people. He's looking for relational

1270
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 11: people that obey a surrender to him, because if you

1271
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 11: obey surrender, you're going to heaven, not Hell.

1272
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: All right, we've got about a minute. Would you just

1273
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: pray a prayer we'll repeat after you to those who

1274
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: are watching that don't know Jesus.

1275
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 11: If you can fall off to me and say, Heavenly Father,

1276
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 11: Heavenly Father.

1277
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 7: I believe. I believe that I.

1278
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 11: Am a sinner, that I'm a sinner, that I cannot

1279
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 11: go to heaven, and I cannot go to heaven without

1280
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 11: your grace.

1281
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 12: Not by works but by the death, the resurrection, the sacrifice,

1282
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 12: sacrifice of Jesus Christ, Jesus on that cross us.

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00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 7: I believe.

1284
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 4: I believe it's for me, for me.

1285
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 11: Help me to overcome, Help me overcome my own belief.

1286
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 4: My belief.

1287
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 11: Seal me with the Holy Spirit, with the Holy wash me,

1288
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 11: wash with the blood of Jesus, and.

1289
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 7: Write my name in the Book of Life, the Book

1290
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 7: of Life. I believe.

1291
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 11: I believe that I'm a child of God and a

1292
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 11: child I completely trust in you, completely trust. Help me

1293
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 11: to fight a good fight of faith every day, every

1294
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 11: day from now on, from now on until the day

1295
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 11: I died, surround meround, golly, people, help me to grow,

1296
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 11: Help me in Jesus, Jesus, Jesus saying Amen.

1297
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Speaker 4: Amen, Amen.

1298
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 3: Wow.

1299
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: It's so powerful and what a powerful testimony. You know,

1300
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: the whole story is in the book Eight Hours in Hell.

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00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: We cover as much as we could, but there's a

1302
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: lot that's left out. Dorothy's eyes were staying big the

1303
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: whole time over there.

1304
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 4: It was so good, so good. Well, we're out of time.

1305
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ladies, we just got to listen. Is powerful,

1306
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: but I want you to remember that Jesus has already

1307
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: prepared a place for you in his kingdom when you

1308
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: accept his forgiveness.

1309
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: And make him lord of your life.

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00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: You prayed that prayer, you can be sure that Heaven

1311
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: is waiting for you. If you're watching today and you

1312
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: prayed that prayer, I want you to call that number

1313
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: on the screen. Let us know we would love to

1314
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: send you. The Gospel of John is a great place

1315
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: to start in the Word of God, and it's just

1316
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: our way of saying that we love you or cheering

1317
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: you on. Yes, you need to find a good Bible

1318
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: believing church full of the Holy Spirit. And if you're

1319
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: in the wrong crowd, you need to remove yourself because

1320
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: what is that saying show me your friends, I'll show

1321
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: you your future.

1322
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 4: And you need to.

1323
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: Surround yourself with the right kind of people right now.

1324
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: It's really important that you do that. God has his

1325
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: hand on you. He loves you, has a purpose for you,

1326
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: and he's just waiting for you to surrender. I use

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00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: that word a lot. He's just ready for you to say, Okay, God.

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Speaker 4: I've been doing it my way.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do it your way, not my will,

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Speaker 1: but your will. And I'm telling you everything can change. Well,

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Steve for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Be sure you pick up a copy of his book

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Speaker 1: Eight Hours in Hell. For more information, you can visit

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Speaker 1: him online at All NATIONSJC dot org. As always, make

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Speaker 1: sure to follow us on social media. Subscribe to her

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel for full episodes exclusive content. Let us know

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Speaker 1: how table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing

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Speaker 1: from you. Of course, you can also listen to Johnny

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Speaker 1: table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms.

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Speaker 1: But I want to thank you for watching. And there's

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Speaker 1: some of you've.

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Speaker 4: Never watched before. You prayed that prayer.

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Speaker 1: You really don't know what tomorrow host, but I want

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Speaker 1: you to be encouraged. God's going to begin to open

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Speaker 1: door supernatural. He's going to send people across your path.

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Speaker 1: You be ready to listen and hear and get a

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Speaker 1: good Bible you can understand, start reading, and the Lord's

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Speaker 1: going to start talking to you and it's going to

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Speaker 1: change your life forever.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye for today,