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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty. So here's

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Speaker 1: two couple of things real quick before we get to

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Speaker 1: the meat. One newsworthy breaking news today, Trump talked to

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Speaker 1: Zelenski about weapons to fire into Moscow and Saint Petersburg.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get to a little more of that later,

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Speaker 1: but that seems like a pretty big development. This story

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Speaker 1: not important. Stevie Wonder addresses the rumors that he's not blind.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Shaquille O'Neill A couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: says Stevie Wonder got on an elevator with him and said, Hey, Shack,

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Speaker 1: what's up, big dog. I'm a big fan, pressed the

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Speaker 1: button on the elevator, got up out of the elevator,

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Speaker 1: walked to his room shacks as he called everybody he

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Speaker 1: knew that night, tell them.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wait a minute, I mean, I guess I'll stay tuned,

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Speaker 2: But is it possible Stevie Wonder is just like mildly nearsighted.

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Speaker 2: Somebody thought, yeah, he's a musical genius. Teenager but we

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Speaker 2: need a.

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Speaker 1: Little better hook. Let's see, that's a funny Shack story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to hear him telling it too in

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Speaker 2: that shack voice, so in a non coincidence.

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Speaker 1: But now I'll just dive into it.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking a fair amount about the Jeffrey Epstein thing,

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Speaker 2: and there are all sorts of opinions from really interesting

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Speaker 2: sources on what the truth is, what it might be,

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Speaker 2: whether it should be revealed, if there's anything there, just

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Speaker 1: Life of its own.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about conspiracy theories and why they're

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Speaker 2: so healing. Here's the caveat though, there are beyond question

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Speaker 2: looney Tunes conspiracy theories, rabbit holes of the QAnon sort

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Speaker 2: that are, to me indisputably conspiracy theories, and they're often

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Speaker 2: used to profit from people who tend to fall for

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Speaker 1: On the other.

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Speaker 2: Hand, there is a tendency among certain groups of people

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Speaker 2: to call everything that questions power a conspiracy theory, even

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Speaker 2: though A the theory is correct and b there is

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy people acting together for an illegal or unsavory goal.

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Speaker 1: That's what a conspiracy is. So I try to be

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Speaker 1: careful about what I call a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: remember when this progressive friend of mine hit me with

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Speaker 1: the C word, I think for the first time in

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Speaker 1: my life, when I brought up the idea that China

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Speaker 1: was involved in helping getting fentanyl or whatever it takes

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Speaker 1: to make fentanyl into Mexico and then it getting across

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Speaker 1: the border. Wow, that's some conspiracy you believe in. No,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a thing, that's it's documentable. I remember the

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Speaker 1: idea that the COVID virus leaked from the Wuhin lab

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Speaker 1: was aggressively labeled a conspiracy theory, not only by the

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Speaker 1: medical establishment and then Fauci and Collins and all of

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Speaker 1: those berks. The Scarf Lady, but like the entirety of

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Speaker 1: the media said that was a ludicrous and racist conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: So hey, my caveat is, watch what you call a

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Speaker 2: Having said that, here's why they're so appealing. It's a

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Speaker 2: handful of different psychological truths. And I was reminded that

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Speaker 2: I had this in my back pocket. By are discussing

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Speaker 2: the witches of Etsy and these people who paid thirteen

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Speaker 2: a job offer three days later and attribute it to

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Speaker 2: the Witch. Three main items. Number one a need for

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Speaker 2: understanding and control. It explains the unexplained. Conspiracy theories often

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Speaker 2: provide a clear, if even if often unfounded, explanation for

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Speaker 2: events that are confusing, frightening, or seem random, and they

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Speaker 2: offer a sense of control by suggesting that powerful groups

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Speaker 2: are orchestrating events rather than random chaos or just the

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Speaker 2: sort of greed and dishonesty that humans always engage in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, random chaos or my example is always we Apparently

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Speaker 1: like you know, the the assassination of Trump. It can't

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Speaker 1: That's too frightening to deal with. So it's got to

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Speaker 1: It's got to be a much bigger inside something or other. Right,

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Speaker 2: If it's just the sort of greed, imperfection, complacency, stupidity, perversion,

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Speaker 2: you can't defeat that. You can work against it and

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Speaker 1: And that's hard for people to take.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying necessarily everything about Epstein's a quote

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Speaker 2: unquote conspiracy theory, like I said earlier anyway, Also, and

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Speaker 2: here's how the witches of Vetsy reminded me of this

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Speaker 2: pattern recognition. Humans are wired to seek patterns, and conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theories can fulfill this need. Even if the patterns are illusory.

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Speaker 2: You're connecting dots that shouldn't be connected. They're just they're

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Speaker 2: both true, but they have nothing to do with each other.

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Speaker 2: Psychological benefits of conspiracy theories. Believing in a conspiracy theory

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Speaker 2: can make individuals feel special, knowledgeable, and part of an

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've known a couple of people that they did their

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Speaker 1: lives were not going very well and they were into that,

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Speaker 2: Well, and in related topics, social bond theories can create

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Speaker 2: a sense of belonging and solidarity community among those who

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Speaker 1: It feels good to be part of a team.

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Speaker 2: Rationalizing belief It can help folks rationalize their existing beliefs

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Speaker 2: and behaviors, even though when those beliefs are unsupported by evidence,

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Speaker 2: and it can reduce anxiety In some cases, Conspiracy theories

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Speaker 2: offering a seemingly logical explanation for events and as I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that does ease anxiety. And that like if just

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Speaker 1: change world history by killing a president, that's hard to

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Speaker 2: Social and cultural pulls of conspiracy theories. It can be

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Speaker 2: fueled by a general distrust of institutions, governments, or established narratives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I've got plenty of that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, perfectly legitimate in a hell of a lot

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Speaker 2: of cases, not only legitimate, but like admirable and desirable.

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Speaker 2: We need our founding. Papa's told us question power constantly.

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Speaker 2: That's not a bad thing, doctor Fauci.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if there are any conspiracy theories

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Speaker 2: You have any that you're I'd have to think about it,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's some I reject outright with a loud guffaw,

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Speaker 1: Flat Earth. Yeah, there's no such thing as birds or

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Speaker 1: You think you buy into that, oh, Jack, you say that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I could be wrong. There you go.

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Speaker 2: Distrust of authority is healthy, as we were saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: to some extent, confirmation bias. Here's where they well. People

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Speaker 2: are more likely to seek out and believe information that

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Speaker 2: confirms their existing beliefs, even if the information is false,

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Speaker 2: and you feed people that over and over again to

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Speaker 1: Social influence.

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Speaker 2: Conspiracy theories can spread through social network, especially when shared

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Speaker 2: among friends, family, or online communities.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I've got one, but

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Speaker 1: I just can't quite I'll think of it well, and

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Speaker 1: Some individuals struggle to critically evaluate information and distinguish between

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Speaker 2: Of course, again, you have the authorities, which we've agreed

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Speaker 2: in some way, the appeal of conspiracy theories is accombination

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Speaker 1: I have three children that I raised. I love them

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Speaker 1: Were born with a hell of a lot of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: They showed me the websites, the links, the predictions, and

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Speaker 2: but I'm very good at identifying bullless. And I thought,

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Speaker 2: that's bullspit. And I can tell you exactly what kind

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Speaker 1: And I was like, this stuff is a joke. But

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Speaker 2: It's just a reality of humankind and the Internet has

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll do a little Epstein coming up later this hour.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a chunk of the MAGA crowd that's

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Speaker 1: that kind of flies in the face of everything I've

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Speaker 1: MSNBC and CNN are endlessly talking about Emstein.

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Speaker 1: They're in on it right. Anyways, we got more on

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Speaker 1: that later, not next to here. So Stevie Wonders musician

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.

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Speaker 1: That's Charlie Kirk, who needs no introduction for some of you.

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Speaker 5: How many of you are satisfied you can clap satisfied

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Speaker 1: Well, the fact that he said whatever he said, I'm

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Speaker 2: So a handful of comments via email. Uh, how to

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Speaker 2: some savvy financial advisor. No, he infiltrated very powerful Jewish

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Speaker 2: These are not conspiracies. It's common knowledge. Look up Leon Block,

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Speaker 2: Leslie Wexner, blah blah blah, very involved with politicians and

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Speaker 2: that at some point he was assigned a handler named

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Speaker 2: Julane Maxwell. Her father was Robert Maxwell, a media tycoon

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Speaker 2: who was a Masad agent and died under miss suspicious circumstances,

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Speaker 2: which was an alleged suicide. None of that matters the

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Speaker 2: legitimate concerns about the Epstein case or the lack of

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Speaker 2: investigation and prosecutions of the people involved. Pam Bondi and

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Speaker 2: Cash Betel have stayed in the thousands of hours of video.

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Speaker 2: They have his child pornography, well, who produced the pornography

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Speaker 2: and who are the people sexually abusing the children? They

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Speaker 2: can't answer those questions.

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Speaker 1: For virtually any time anybody gets caught with child porn,

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Speaker 1: people don't. There aren't credits at the end. Is it

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Speaker 1: actual child porn or is it under age eighteen porn?

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Speaker 1: Which is right, yeah, because we all know that he

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Speaker 1: was trafficking in under eighteen women for whatever weird psychological reasons.

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Speaker 1: Some nut jobs have a thing for that. Right.

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Speaker 2: Here's another correspondent. What you failed to grasp about the

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Speaker 2: Epstein client list is that it's about human slavery and

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Speaker 2: those who perpetuate the practice through evil lust. Millions of

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Speaker 2: Americans want elitists on the list to pay for their crimes.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of a more practice more debaucherous than

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Speaker 2: the buying and selling of humans for sexual pleasure. Epstein

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Speaker 2: and Maxwell groomed and trafficked children around the world and

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Speaker 2: transported them for political blackmail and personal profit. Please don't

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Speaker 2: dismiss the severity of the crimes. Independent journalists, she mentions,

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Speaker 2: one won't let go of the story because it rests

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Speaker 2: at the heart of what we're willing to accept culturally.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to send the message that if you're

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Speaker 2: rich and famous, you can be immune from prosecution. One

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Speaker 2: other person mentioned the Jews.

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Speaker 1: Again, there's zero hard evidence that any blackmailing occurred so

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Speaker 1: far that we know of. Reply the people, you need

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Speaker 1: to read this website or that book or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I just.

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Speaker 1: Now how he got rich. I'll admit I haven't looked

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Speaker 1: into how he got rich. But even if he got

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Speaker 1: rich through I don't know, completely illegal, fraudulent ways. How

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Speaker 1: does that? How do you make the leap from that

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Speaker 1: to hundreds of thousands of children being trafficked by the Clintons.

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Speaker 1: The Jews are behind it. That's what a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think.

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Speaker 2: It's just your clan ta, it's your classic anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: They're running everything in a secret cabal that's pulling all

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Speaker 2: the strings.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I feel like the Jews are behind

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Speaker 1: it was a late addition to this conspiracy or you

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Speaker 1: don't like the word conspiracy around this, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like the Jews are a late addition to this. I

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Speaker 1: remember that being part of it back in the day,

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Speaker 1: with Pizzagate and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Maybe all right, Yeah, I'm just I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 2: just kind of fatigued by all of it. Honestly, the

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Speaker 2: government's spending us into oblivion. For instance, Chinese is going

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Speaker 2: to take over the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that one too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our education system is teaching your children communism as

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Speaker 2: we speak.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go with as a political matter? Is a

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Speaker 1: political matter? Is this a problem that so many of

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Speaker 1: the young voters Trump had feel like they were lied

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Speaker 1: to or Trump's in on the thing or whatever could

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Speaker 1: be in a close race Although this, well, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking maybe bigger, long term picture. I think it might

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Speaker 1: just add to the overall cynicism that the Internet has

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Speaker 1: brought us, and we get closer and closer to nobody

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Speaker 1: believing anything ever from anyone. Right that is, I think

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Speaker 1: that's the inevitable endpoint of all of this with the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and AI will make it worse. Nobody believes anything. Ever,

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Speaker 1: there's like no such thing as a gatekeeper news source,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how society functions at that point.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to watch briefly.

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Speaker 2: Because we're having no babies. Well, so it will function

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Speaker 2: one way or another, but not for long.

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Speaker 1: Because most voters are older, and the older crowd still

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Speaker 1: gets a lot of their news from the New York

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Speaker 1: Times and CBS News and places like that, but the

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Speaker 1: younger crowd gets zero of their news from those places zero.

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Speaker 1: And by younger I mean like forty and younger under

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Speaker 1: So when the older crowd that there are at least

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Speaker 1: some gatekeepers, even as flawed as they are, those gatekeepers,

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Speaker 1: when that's all gone and everybody's just got their own website,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what it's going to look like.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how a politician will run, because

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Speaker 1: you'd be talking to an audience full of people that

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Speaker 1: all have their own narratives about the world. Right. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I have no idea. I will be

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Speaker 1: in the score in the woods watching the squirrels coport

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Speaker 1: if you need me. I think it's going to happen

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Speaker 1: fairly soon. The squirrels are ready and so am I

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Speaker 1: we will finish strong next.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I so that Chipotle is bringing back their best

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Speaker 7: selling avocado inspired lipolte lipstain. Chipole said it's backed by

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Speaker 7: popular demand. I think I speak for everyone when I

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Speaker 7: say no.

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Speaker 1: It's not Did he use the term lip stain? Is

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Speaker 1: that something besides lipstick? Lip stain? Okay, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what that is.

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Speaker 8: I've never heard that, kase, Yeah, lipstain. It's more of

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Speaker 8: like a liquid that just stains your lips. It's not

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Speaker 8: that thick stuff that transfers when you touch anything.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so you don't leave a ring on the

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Speaker 1: coffee cup? Okay. A couple of things I wander through

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Speaker 1: real quick. One. I think the biggest news of the

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Speaker 1: day is the fact that Trump talked to Zelensky about

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Speaker 1: weapons that fire into Moscow in Saint Petersburg. But there'll

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Speaker 1: be more on that later.

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Speaker 2: I hope, says you, lipstain sounds like an insult to me.

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Speaker 1: Senator Ran Paul reissued criminal referrals of doctor Fauci. He

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Speaker 1: wants he still wants doctor Fauci prosecuted, and perhaps awesome

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Speaker 1: based on the whole auto pen thing. It's never gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Try hole. Oh dang it. La Times headline today, college

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Speaker 1: is not for every student. House schools are steering them

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Speaker 1: to high demand jobs. Love reading that. I might read

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Speaker 1: the whole article and get into it later, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to mention this that our friend Tim Sandifer retweeted

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Speaker 1: and I read about it. I still don't quite understand it.

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Speaker 1: A network of underground thing pipes is about to change

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Speaker 1: delivery forever, says you. Thing Pipe claims this company, and

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Speaker 1: they're doing it in Austin, which is where every innovative

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Speaker 1: creative person seems to be based now is Austin, Texas

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Speaker 1: for lots of reasons, including you can do it there

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Speaker 1: in California won't let you do anything. Basically, it's the

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Speaker 1: idea of pipes underground. They're about two foot in diameter.

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Speaker 1: There are robots inside them that travel one hundred miles

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Speaker 1: an hour, and they'll go to every home and office

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Speaker 1: and building in whatever city you're in, and so stuff

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Speaker 1: can move around like in the blink of an eye,

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Speaker 1: whether it's your Burrito Supreme from Taco Bell or something

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Speaker 1: you ordered on Amazon, or something you're sending to somebody

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Speaker 1: across town or whatever. They'll just travel through these tubes

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Speaker 1: like in seconds or minutes, depending on how far you

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Speaker 1: are apart, and they show up like you're this example

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Speaker 1: in the article here was you'd have a drawer and

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Speaker 1: you open your door. Okay, it's here, and you open

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Speaker 1: your door and take out your breeding, close your door.

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Speaker 2: I'm reminded of some conveyor systems I've seen in like

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Speaker 2: advanced manufacturing operations, or like a really big airport will

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Speaker 2: have scanners and doors that open and close to route stuff.

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Speaker 2: I could see a version of that shit.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that well. I was picturing like the

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Speaker 1: tube banks that used to exist and still does some places,

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Speaker 1: where you put that thing in the tube and send

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Speaker 1: it wherever it's going to go really really fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's obviously, that's one point to one point. But

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Speaker 2: design a system.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how you possibly the infrastructure project that

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Speaker 1: would be laying all these pipes underneath a big city.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to tear up every sidewalk, road and yard

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Speaker 1: in the town to do that. That seems like a

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Speaker 1: hell of a stumbling block to me, wouldn't you? What

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Speaker 1: are the ways subterranean technology and whatnot? It's doable. We

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Speaker 1: don't have time thought, Yeah, some terrain in technology and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: get a final thought from everybody on the crew to

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Speaker 1: wrap things up for the day, beginning with our technic

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Speaker 1: Hule director Michael Angelow. Michael, what's your final thought?

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Speaker 4: I don't know why, but the thought of everybody getting

588
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Speaker 4: their news from Twitter and nobody believing anything they see

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Speaker 4: just really depresses me.

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Speaker 1: And I can't get that out of my head. Get

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Speaker 1: used to it? Yeah, no kidding. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman,

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Speaker 1: has a final thought.

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Speaker 8: Katie, you got ARPS drug and getty dot Com.

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Speaker 1: There's a new Katie's Corner.

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Speaker 8: It's got some funny videos and a little bit of

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Speaker 8: an IVF update.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be gone a whole a couple of days

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Speaker 1: this week. Okay, uh, Katie? Would you are you willing

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Speaker 1: to be the public face of my witch spellcasting Etsy account?

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Speaker 1: Oh out? Okay, Well we'll talk about it. We'll figure

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Speaker 1: out jack. Final thought, it's time for my son to

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Speaker 1: get his first car. I want him to have a

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Speaker 1: car so that he can drive himself around because I,

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Speaker 1: as one parent with two kids, driving him around is

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Speaker 1: killing me anyway. I have had to recalibrate what cars cost.

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Speaker 1: I kind of missed the whole lower end used car

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Speaker 1: price hike that happened through COVID and everything and inflation.

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Speaker 1: It's a completely different world than I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: And my final thoughts at clarification on one of our

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Speaker 2: lead stories today, Cal Rowley of the Seattle Mariners, who

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Speaker 2: developed as a ballplayer in Modesto, California before he won

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Speaker 2: the home run derby last night. His nickname is big

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Speaker 2: Dumper because one of his teammates observed that he has

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Speaker 2: a large butt.

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Speaker 1: Of course, so it's exactly what it sounds like. I

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Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't want to call him big ass because

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Speaker 1: that seemed too coarse. So right, Armstrong and Getty rabick

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Speaker 1: up another grueling four hour workday. Why have those ballplayers

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Speaker 1: and their cliver nicknames? There's so many people.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a little time, good Armstrong, Egeeddy dot com.

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Speaker 1: How we'll see tomorrow, God bless America. Screw it, leave it,

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Speaker 1: let's go Brandon. Point of personal privilege. I think that

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Speaker 1: right now you know the honeymoon's over. So little too much,

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Speaker 1: docky dog, do you understand? Can I understand the word.

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Speaker 1: You're thirlbatic. Maybe you're not that bright. Coupling empty. Will

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Speaker 1: this institution survive the stench that this creates. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea why you would do something like that, And

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Speaker 1: another sign we are approaching peak stupid. Hey go very

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Speaker 1: much Armstrong and Getty,