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Speaker 1: get deals left and right. Let's talk about some deal

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Speaker 1: pitchers that the Mets could get. I think we should

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Speaker 1: preface that Sean man Ayah and Luis Severino, it's not

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Speaker 1: least with this free agent class. But we do have

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Speaker 1: some guys that we want to talk about that could

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Speaker 1: Mets rotation and maybe have some value. Of course, this

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Speaker 1: is James's wheelhouse, the pitching whisperer himself. I'm sure he's

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Speaker 1: got a list of names. I've got some too, James,

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Speaker 1: who do you want to start off with?

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's just start it off again, but maybe

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Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, we have David Startans, We're gonna do

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Speaker 2: to think that now we have a good smart for

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Speaker 2: now wee yagers, we've Mendoza, we have starts like we

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Speaker 2: that door again, just as simply asn't. But to start,

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Speaker 2: starting pitcher. I don't think he's necessarily you or I's favorite,

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Speaker 2: Just because he ended the season so well, like he

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Speaker 2: for the money he got. He leaned on his fastball

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Speaker 2: totally fine. He's probably gonna be like one year, ten

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be super fine with Kintana being back, And

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Speaker 2: But like that's the guy who like can turn on

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Speaker 1: And in a world where Code I Sangle was like

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Speaker 1: Who was towards the top of your list? If you said,

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Speaker 2: My number one? This is gonna be a crazy one

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Speaker 2: Spencer Turnbull, he's on my list.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Spencer Turnbull. First, I'll have to give you guys

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Speaker 2: that did not happen. Now he's thirty two years old,

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Speaker 1: This is what I wrote in my notes, is it

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he was tremendous and they finally

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Speaker 2: But that sweeper was was the pitch for him. And

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Speaker 3: I've got some names coming up.

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Speaker 1: I didn't put this guy on my list, but Wade

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Speaker 1: He throws ninety six. Throwing ninety six, you just don't

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Speaker 2: the velos he's been going down rapidly from Trevor Williams too.

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Speaker 2: It was over ninety one and twenty twenty two, then

434
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. It was eighty nine and a half

435
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Speaker 2: and last year was eighty eight point nine, so it's like, Okay,

436
00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,960
Speaker 2: this is this happening quickly, but he keeps throwing junk,

437
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,600
Speaker 2: keeps trying to hide that fastball. I guess that, like

438
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,960
Speaker 2: last year was the fewest fastballs he's he's ever thrown,

439
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Speaker 2: So we hope it's just that that can continue. And

440
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Speaker 2: maybe there's some other kind of wrinkle he could bring out,

441
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Speaker 2: maybe it's a color that falls in between. But that

442
00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,440
Speaker 2: eighty nine miles now is scarce to crap out of me.

443
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Speaker 1: I've only got two more guys on my list of

444
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Speaker 1: people that I'm even maybe slightly interested in, just because

445
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Speaker 1: you know the name. I've got three that I'm actually

446
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,040
Speaker 1: interested in, wait for them actually interested in, and then

447
00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,280
Speaker 1: and then six disgusting ones. Okay, so give me some

448
00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,720
Speaker 1: more that you're actually interested in then, because these I

449
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Speaker 1: think my other two fall in the more disgusting category.

450
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Speaker 2: Next one. I've talked abut him a lot in the

451
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Speaker 2: show with Jeff Hoffman making him a starting pitcher. I

452
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Speaker 2: don't know. I didn't know if that counted for this,

453
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Speaker 2: because he might price himself out of the bargain starting

454
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Speaker 2: pitchers but you could probably get him for three years

455
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Speaker 2: and like forty four million, Like not that dissimilar to

456
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Speaker 2: the first Lugo deal. You don't think so last year

457
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Speaker 2: for what that basically that that was after one year

458
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Speaker 2: of being a really good starter.

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm just saying I don't know if that

460
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Speaker 3: falls into the bargain necessarily. I'm with you on that.

461
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Speaker 3: It's not the price part now.

462
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Speaker 2: But as long as his fastball can hold up, like

463
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Speaker 2: going from the bullpen to the rotation, I think he

464
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Speaker 2: could be super legit. Like once upon a time he

465
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Speaker 2: was one of the biggest starting pitching prospects in all

466
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Speaker 2: of baseball.

467
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Speaker 3: He was.

468
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Speaker 2: I think he's from Long Island. He got drafted in

469
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Speaker 2: the first round by the Rockies, had to pitch in Colorado,

470
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Speaker 2: which you'll never be good, went to the Reds, picked

471
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Speaker 2: up some new things, still wasn't good there, went to

472
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Speaker 2: the Phillies last year. Splither's amazing. If that fastball can

473
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Speaker 2: just hold ninety five miles an hour, I think you

474
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Speaker 2: have a very clear number three starter with upside here.

475
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Speaker 2: He will need to throw more splithers, he will need

476
00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,879
Speaker 2: to throw more two seamers, but fastball and the slider

477
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,720
Speaker 2: against super legit. He's got the New York roots. I

478
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Speaker 2: think there's a sneaky, really nice marriage here. I think

479
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Speaker 2: there's also sneaky, legitimate upside on this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't hate it.

481
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Speaker 1: I just feel like there's gonna be some team that's

482
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Speaker 1: gonna come in and pay him. And it's the Angels,

483
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Speaker 1: because why wouldn't I they.

484
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Speaker 2: Just pay Akuchi?

485
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Speaker 3: How much more money they're gonna give it out? Dude,

486
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Speaker 3: Ardie Moreno is an idiot. He'll do anything.

487
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Speaker 2: I'm pulling up the Seth Lugo contract now because remember

488
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Speaker 2: even when it was signed last year, I was like,

489
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Speaker 2: that's it. When he signed his deal with the Padres,

490
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Speaker 2: initially it was two years, fifteen million, and last year

491
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Speaker 2: it was the deal with the Royals was three years

492
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Speaker 2: for forty five. So if you can get Jeff Hoffman

493
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Speaker 2: for two years eighteen million dollars, which is probably more

494
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Speaker 2: than he'd get you simply as a middle reliever with

495
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Speaker 2: with some high leverage stuff, because that's kind how much

496
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Speaker 2: better of a reliever was Jeff often this year in

497
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Speaker 2: Seth Lugo two years ago.

498
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Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't know a ton, Yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: but he's either reliever price. Then does Hoffman want to

500
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Speaker 1: take less to be a starting picture. I don't think

501
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get less.

502
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Speaker 2: I think that we're kind of evolved past the point

503
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Speaker 2: where teams are paying like super super super high releaks

504
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Speaker 2: up the angels. Yeah, except the angels, I guess. But

505
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Speaker 2: I don't think many teams are gonna be going to

506
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Speaker 2: give relievers who aren't ninety nine mile an hour, guys

507
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Speaker 2: who are like top of the line closers, anything anything

508
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Speaker 2: more than a third year. Ever, So I think if

509
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Speaker 2: you give him three a little bit more than the

510
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,920
Speaker 2: reliever money, where you don't, you don't, you're not pissed off.

511
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Speaker 2: If he can't start, he has to relieve. I think

512
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Speaker 2: there there's a middle ground there where he does better

513
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Speaker 2: market himself as a starting picture, but still less and you're

514
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Speaker 2: gonna give any other starting picture.

515
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Speaker 1: I think there's also a world where like the Phillies

516
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Speaker 1: could also use him back again, and they're just like.

517
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Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna take it, yeah, and they can

518
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Speaker 2: make can't let him go, yeah, I mean him. I mean,

519
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Speaker 2: I don't thin you're gonna bring back a step is

520
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Speaker 2: after the after the home run heard around the world

521
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Speaker 2: by Francisco Lindor. But but I think that Hoffman's market

522
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 2: could heat up because of how bad this bargain pitching

523
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Speaker 2: market that we're talking about is.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah again, So you still haven't named the two disgusting

525
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Speaker 1: guys that I have, So I can't wait to hear

526
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Speaker 1: where these next ones now?

527
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Speaker 3: So next one I have, I have three more non

528
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Speaker 3: disgusting ones. Keep you roll through the non disgusting.

529
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Speaker 2: Tell Miyuki Sugano MPB legend you don't like him very much?

530
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Speaker 2: Don't care again again famously you didn't like Imanigo last year.

531
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Speaker 3: So Monaga, why do I keep doing that? You said it,

532
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 3: you said it well for so long whole.

533
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Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't even know what it's

534
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: just in my head. It was the first thing I

535
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Speaker 2: ever heard. So that's how it's stuck. And it's hard

536
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Speaker 2: to undo that.

537
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Speaker 3: But to be fair, for different reasons, I didn't like.

538
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Speaker 2: It's true. But Toemuki Sugano thrown over eighteen hundred innings

539
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Speaker 2: in the MPB last year. He was one of the

540
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Speaker 2: best pitchers in the league. Again at thirty four years old.

541
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Speaker 2: His fastball is ninety two miles now. Which is passed ball,

542
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Speaker 2: but use a color a lot that makes up for

543
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: a fastball that's been the teer rating a little bit.

544
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Speaker 2: He has a splither, he has a slyder, he has

545
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Speaker 2: a curveball. He has really good command. He has a

546
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Speaker 2: two seamer sincre he mixes in. I think he just

547
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: is a slightly better version of what you be getting

548
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Speaker 2: from Trevor Williams for probably a little bit more money. Also,

549
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Speaker 2: I see him as a guy he posted once before

550
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Speaker 2: he hit, like his contracts, he went back to the

551
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Speaker 2: Omuri Giants. I can see him as a guy like Twilight,

552
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Speaker 2: just hanging out in New York for a three years, be

553
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Speaker 2: like I did, Like I did New York for three seasons,

554
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Speaker 2: like kind of something like that.

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know, man, Like I know,

556
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Speaker 1: Japan strikes out so much less, But when I see

557
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Speaker 1: like an eighteen percent k rate, I'm just like sure

558
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Speaker 1: the breaking balls are good, Like how good are they?

559
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Speaker 1: No one's no one's swinging amiss, But seven strikeouts per walks.

560
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Speaker 2: He doesn't walk anybody either.

561
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Speaker 1: Yes, no, the But also like I don't know, Japan

562
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Speaker 1: plays a different game too.

563
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Speaker 3: No one really hits home runs over there.

564
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Speaker 1: They have like a guy or two who hits double

565
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: hit digit home runs on a lot of these rosters.

566
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Speaker 3: I'm saying double digits, by the way, that doesn't that's

567
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Speaker 3: like very true.

568
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't be afraid to walk anybody either,

569
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Speaker 1: because they're not gonna do any damaging the ball over

570
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Speaker 1: the fence. And that's a super generalization of the MPB,

571
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Speaker 1: which is a great baseball league.

572
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Speaker 2: But when you just set the opposite though, you should

573
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Speaker 2: not want to walk people because you know no one's

574
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Speaker 2: hitting home runs. In fact, he doesn't walk anybody. It

575
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Speaker 2: doesn't allow any runs.

576
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Speaker 1: Well, my whole thing is that's no, that's exactly why,

577
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: because I'm like, just throw strikes because they're not gonna

578
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: do any danger. Like it does it, it doesn't matter.

579
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: It just doesn't get swings and misses. But that could

580
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Speaker 1: be the opposite is because he knows they're not gonna

581
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Speaker 1: do any damage. He's like, I don't care about strikeouts,

582
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Speaker 1: just get it.

583
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Speaker 2: Showta said that last year too, is like I'm gonna

584
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Speaker 2: go for more strikecouts now because I can. That's something

585
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: that happens the major leagues more.

586
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Speaker 1: Do we have any stuff numbers on like what this

587
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Speaker 1: stuff looks like because we knew a show that like

588
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Speaker 1: that fastball.

589
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Speaker 3: Was a unit.

590
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Speaker 2: I have some stuff numbers on him, and the only

591
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Speaker 2: pitch that's below average and stuff is the fastball. Shout

592
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Speaker 2: out my guy Isaac for the stuff. Stuff here the

593
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: covers plus the splatterest plus the split this plus plus

594
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: the sinkers, fine, the curveballs plus plus.

595
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Speaker 3: So it means something. It's it's a contract. Look, I

596
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Speaker 3: think the contract you get like three for forty maybe

597
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Speaker 3: less two two for eight nineteen, like I I mean

598
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Speaker 3: at that price range, Like, who am I to say

599
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Speaker 3: I give this this?

600
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Speaker 2: Don't tell you that you have this hard steak in

601
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Speaker 2: the ground thing with him where I'm like, I've.

602
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: Seen shan Ya Magucci. I've seen it.

603
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: I think he's seen this is one of the best

604
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Speaker 2: pitches the history the MPB. Sh shan Yamagucci was just fine.

605
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: Like last year they the four season it was one

606
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: hundred eleven strikeouts in sixteen walks and in one hundred

607
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Speaker 2: and fifty seven innings.

608
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: That's just I don't know. This is just me being

609
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: a fucking old man and being like I don't trust him.

610
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: Like we pitched them. Remember those numbers we gave a

611
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: few weeks ago to the Sasaki episode, like the fact

612
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: that he was about thirty percent struk of my his walk, right,

613
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: and the elite guys are like in the low twenties. Yeah,

614
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: he was about seventeen eight sixteen Shrek of mince Walker,

615
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: which isn't that far away from of course, the strikeouts

616
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: are lowered down, he's not allowing base runners. It's just

617
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: I think there's again he's not going to be the ace.

618
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Speaker 2: I say, he's when of the game. Yeah, he's one

619
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Speaker 2: of the best pitchers of the MPB. He's not going

620
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Speaker 2: to come over here is anything remotely close to that.

621
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Speaker 2: But you have a guy for very little money who's

622
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Speaker 2: pitching a lot of again, big games the MPB, a

623
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Speaker 2: lot of big crowds. Yomiri giants are the brand. They're

624
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: everything there, and he's been with them since he was

625
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Speaker 2: in his early twenties. Like he's coming in with like

626
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: the mentals to I think take like to be a

627
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Speaker 2: real starting pitcher for the regular season.

628
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Speaker 3: All right, fucking I'll take it. Why, all right, give me, That's.

629
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying. All right, next one, I mean this

630
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: is a favorite of the podcast for a long time.

631
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Speaker 2: Frankie Montas similar what you were saying. He's not barking though, Ude,

632
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be very expensive.

633
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: He's gonna get like eighteen mil.

634
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: Not a year, no way, dude.

635
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: Lucas Gilito got nineteen mili and he was dog shit

636
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: going into free agency.

637
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: Well if he if he gets that much money, they'll

638
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: u my words, because I think you can get him

639
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: for about again, because was Benia last year for thirteen mil?

640
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: Fourteen mil? Was that technically a bargain? Sam Severino for twelve? Yeah, okay,

641
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: if you get him for fourteen, I'll give you a bargin.

642
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: My line is like sixteen is the bargain number, because

643
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: that's like if you're over sixteen, under sixteen, like that's

644
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 2: where the bargain striting pitches are.

645
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: All right, it's gonna be close.

646
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Speaker 2: The one thing that doesn't make me feel that confident

647
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: about Mantess though, is he went to the Brewers last

648
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: year and like they changed a bunch of stuff and

649
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: the results were really not much better at all. But

650
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: but he had way more strikeouts, which is that's the

651
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: one thing that's going to show up in a small sample,

652
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: which was like nine starts with the brewers, lots of

653
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 2: weird teeny little tiny tweaks, some of which I know

654
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 2: you and I won't even like, but they did them,

655
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 2: and he got more strikeouts, way more sinkers two seamers.

656
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what she classifies as to lefties. Ton more,

657
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: it went from eight percent to twenty percent overall, and

658
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: from seven percent to thirty four percent. His first pitch

659
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: to lefties was that sinker two seamer thing he throws, wow, yes,

660
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: And then they were those replaced a lot of early

661
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: count forcing fastballs, but then they moved those forcing fastballs

662
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: toill later in the count, and he started using that

663
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: four seamer as his putaway pitch, which was like, oh,

664
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: he also throws ninety six miles an hour, so I

665
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: mean last year with dads like ninety four and a

666
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: half ninety five, he still got up to ninety six

667
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: ninety seven sometimes got rid of all the sliders celefties,

668
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: which makes sense, slightly more colors, but well, a lot

669
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: more colors when he fell behind and counts. That was

670
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: kind of his pitch to get himself back into our bats.

671
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: Very similar to exactly the critique that we gave Koda,

672
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: I say again, his rookie season that kind of catapulted

673
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: him to the next level. And Monte is the guy

674
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: who has not always been great with home runs. Milwaukee's

675
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: not a great place, same with Cincinnati last year, to

676
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: keep the ball in the yard. And then at the

677
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: end of the day, his best pitch has always been

678
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: his splither and he was throwing a lot more splithers,

679
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: especially when he was ahead in the count with the Brewers.

680
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: So Milwaukee's one of the best in the league with

681
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: figure out figuring out these tweaks, which kind of pulls

682
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: me back to because I'm like the ups they tried

683
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: as much upside as they could have squeezed, and we

684
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: saw a guy who was still like a four to

685
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: three e RA guy with like a and the Reds too, Yeah,

686
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: the Reds bolt. They're both good at that, like twenty

687
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: six percent strike out rape. But we're gonna have a

688
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: better ballparks that could help that a little bit. I

689
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: just I the one thing for him, I hope he

690
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: could rediscover some of that fastball philosities. He's had some injuries.

691
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: The vloss's fallen since he was with the Yankees. I

692
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: wonder if you can get that that, Yeah, back up

693
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: a little bit over ninety five ninety six besides last

694
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: year when it was like just between ninety four and

695
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: ninety six. I want ninety five to be the floor

696
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: rather than the average.

697
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would definitely change the picture he is. I

698
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 3: don't know.

699
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: I didn't put him on my list just because he

700
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: wasn't bargained in my head. But yeah, I mean listen,

701
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: like you said, you set your number, I can get

702
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: behind that. I'm gonna throw a disgusting name real quick.

703
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Sandoval. I know he can't pitch this year. Yeah,

704
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: he's got Tommy John and June. But there is good

705
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: stuff there totally, and he's had some some points of

706
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: like where you watch him pitching, you're like, damn, like

707
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: there is a good picture inside of Patrick Sandoval somewhere,

708
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: and he is coming from what could be the worst

709
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: pitching development organization all of baseball, in the Los Angeles Angels.

710
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: I mean, they they take clay and they turn it

711
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: into dirt. It doesn't even make any sense.

712
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: Like you're like, you.

713
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Dried it out and it became and grumbly, how did

714
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: you do that? There's upside here, but the issue is

715
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: that he's probably not gonna pitch this year, and if

716
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: he does, it's like a month or two, so it's

717
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: not really gonna help this current iteration of the mechs.

718
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: You'd be signing him on like the Bretton Woodrow two

719
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: year deal hoping that you get one year out of

720
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: him totally.

721
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: And he also his fastballs are so bad he gets

722
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: so he gets nothing with them, where every single secondary

723
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: pitch is good, slide is quite good, s kurrent ball's

724
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: quite good, it's changed up's amazing, like he has all

725
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: of that, where it's I don't know, like maybe again

726
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: there's just enough to fake it with a smart team

727
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: and a big ballpark and good defense. Like sometimes where

728
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: I'll never tell you I hate Patrick Sandoval, but it's

729
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: been a very steady decline in the last few years.

730
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: I think a lot of due to health and just

731
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: the angels vortex of sorrow. But I don't know, Like,

732
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: are you giving him how much money you even giving

733
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: him to rehab with you for a year to buy

734
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: the rights for Patrick Sandoval in twenty twenty six?

735
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: Oh no, it is two for twenty. I even think

736
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: that's high. You think that's high?

737
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: Okay, but you okay, I'd give him that two for

738
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: twenty gets legitimately high.

739
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: He's been so bad for years now, I know. I

740
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: just when when I see all those good pitches, I'm.

741
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, three good, three good secondary pitches like that,

742
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: that's a legitimate thing that you can't take away from them.

743
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: And seems like don't throw the fastball ever. I mean

744
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: each last year learned a sinker.

745
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: He only totally threw fourteen hundred pitches last year was

746
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: thirty percent change of twenty five percent slid. There is

747
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: then seventeen percent center, sixteen percent four seemers, and then

748
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: ten percent curves of five percent sweepers. So it's just

749
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: like there's it's junk junk, junk, junk, junk junk. And

750
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: that's another theme of all these guys out here. It's

751
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: a lot of hiding things. The guys with good fastball,

752
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: they're the guy's making legitimate money, like they're not going

753
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: to be on this list. But the last did you

754
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: put Walker Bueller on yours guy?

755
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

756
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: I know, I don't think he's a marked Yeah me,

757
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: i'd put him on here. I think he'd be good.

758
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: But I think that I know the only thing that

759
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: now makes me weird about Walker Bule is that Dodgers

760
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: didn't offer him qualifying Why would they not offer him qualifying?

761
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: Maybe Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure that is.

762
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: Isn't that weird? They know the most about him, and

763
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: he just picked really well for them in the World

764
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Series and they could just attach twenty million dollars to

765
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: him for the one year. That makes me a little skeptical.

766
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: They're probably gonna make a really big offer of soo,

767
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: we're not gonna talk about that now. We're not gonna

768
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: talk about that now. Now, not a big gilt talking

769
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: about it now. My last guy who's not completely vile

770
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: is cal Quantrill.

771
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: But he's pretty close.

772
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: He's close. He's close, I said last on purpose.

773
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 3: He's close.

774
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: I have a double line break here before I get

775
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: to disgusting, and then three guys there before I get

776
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: to Futrid. But cal Quantris just splithers. He threw tons

777
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: of splitters last year is his best pitch. I think

778
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: that you have to kind of take away all the

779
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: results he had last year because he's pitchering in chorus field.

780
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 2: But you could probably get close to twenty twenty two

781
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: when he was like a three to six guy with

782
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: just a bunch of colors, a bunch of curves, bunch

783
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: of splithers, two seamers. Fine, just bang bag mac spam

784
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff. Split heavy approach, don't be afraid of it.

785
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: Use your best pitches as much as you possibly can

786
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: when you're head, when you when you're not falling behind

787
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: in the count I think there's a lot of upside

788
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: on cal Quantrill and a ballpark like city Field that

789
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: will hold the ball inside of it.

790
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was simply malpracticed. The rock He's

791
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: got riff him for nothing.

792
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: The fact that they didn't want to trade him and

793
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: get something back to the deadline and then got Rhythm

794
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: for nothing three months later, legitimate malpractice organization.

795
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: Where does does John Means fall anywhere for you? I

796
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: just didn't have him on. There's just too many injuries.

797
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: The fastball's falling too hard. It hurts.

798
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't hurts because I love John Means. When he

799
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: had that little roll with the Oros, was like, Wow,

800
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: this guy's good. Guys, this guy's good. He's like unimpressive,

801
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: but he's good.

802
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: He has he was one of those weird guys with

803
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: the great fastball shape, but miserable fastball philosophy. I do

804
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: kind of feel bad for John Means too, because I

805
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: think if he would have had his heyday. I used

806
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: that in big air quotes, heyday, the John Means heyday

807
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: we all remember. Finally, Yeah, if he would have been

808
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: able to do that after they manipulated the stadium, he

809
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: would have been so much better. He got screwed by

810
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: the right he's over there in left field and Campden Yards.

811
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: He got blasted out there. So it's a real shame.

812
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: But there's also guys thro areing fifty innings in three years.

813
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: He keeps having issues elbow, shoulder. It's just it's just

814
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: not very good. But it's a good change up. It's

815
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: a good slider, good fastball shape at velocity. I don't know.

816
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: Maybe one day John Means is good again, but I

817
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: doubt that he's a guy in the mix this year

818
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: for the Mets because another thing, it's hard for the

819
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: Mets to take on these reclamation projects that we're like,

820
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: ohit for a year, pitch next year because we need

821
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: to help a lot of pitching, help with twenty twenty

822
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: five tons of it. Like if we don't sign one

823
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: and so then we spammed the top of the driving

824
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: pitching market. Then you could take more risks on guys

825
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: later on. But if we're not going to sign Corbyn Burns,

826
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: basically we have to be really careful about who we

827
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: get durability wise for the season.

828
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: Run through some of the run through some of the

829
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: disgusting not putrid names, because the future names will just be.

830
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: Fun to rip through.

831
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, disgusting, not putrid. Andrew he need disgusting, disgusting.

832
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: But like he'll give you a couple of starts a

833
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: year where he goes like seven twelve strikeouts nowhere and

834
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: runs one hit, and then he'll be like, oh my god,

835
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: it's been a month of two inning starts and eight

836
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: runs every game.

837
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: He had a great stretch similarly last year through August,

838
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: in July and August until some September was like he

839
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: was using this change up for the first time in

840
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: his career. Is like, oh my god, this pitch is great.

841
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: The problem is he starts doing that too late. His

842
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: fastball's falling off a cliff. His slider looks terrible. Now

843
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: like those two things roses brand butther and now those

844
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: are like his two woorst tools in the toolbag. The

845
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: only reason that gives me a modicum of hope with

846
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: him is last year he brought his curveball back. A

847
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: little bit. Two years ago he scrapped it. I think

848
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: it was that year with the Dodgers, and it was

849
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: just they were just like fastball slider, fastball slider, fastball slider,

850
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: change up when you absolutely have to. He threw a

851
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: couple of them his first year with the Rangers. Last

852
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: year he threw a bunch more. Since he trashed it

853
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: and brought it back, it's come throwing it a lot slower.

854
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: It's like a seventy five mile on hour pitch now,

855
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 2: which is one of those big loopers, but he's got

856
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: a ton more drop on it, so it was kind

857
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: of more of a steel strike pitch. But there if

858
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: he can do anything to return to anything with the

859
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: fastball in the slider, like maybe stealing some strikes with

860
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: the curve ball and the change up that is now

861
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: league average, can make him a fifth star. That doesn't

862
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: make you want to throw up in your mouth. White Jose,

863
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: what is he? He guys? Josekana with some flair people

864
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: used to think have upside for the last couple of

865
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: years next one like this too vile Michael Lorenzen.

866
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: I keep going.

867
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: I love Michael Lorenzen. I mean I'm like, I just

868
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: like saw the vent on him just so much junk.

869
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: He threw seven different pitches last year, and he only

870
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: fully became a full He only became a full time

871
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: star to two years ago at thirty years old. So

872
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: I still think he's learning how to pitch as a

873
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: starter in the major leagues. Like he has three different fastballs,

874
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: which the Mets love, the four seemer, the two seamer,

875
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and the color. Can definitely see him being a big

876
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: color guy. Seems like that's something that the Mets are

877
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: prioritizing with some of these weird fringe relievers they're signing

878
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: this offseason as well. And yeah, and just seven pitches,

879
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: Like you can do a lot worse than seven different

880
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: pitches for.

881
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: Eight million dollars in one year. You can do a

882
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: lot worse than that.

883
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: And he could swing it if we ever needed. The

884
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: guy's an elite hitter.

885
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: And you can get corner alfield. We really really need

886
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: that too, Like maybe a little weapon there, but now

887
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: it's probably never gonna happen. Just eight million dollars, like,

888
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: you could do a lot worse. Here's the way you

889
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: could do worse for eight million dollars. Did You're not

890
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: like that? You're gonna like this less. Gryffin Canning terrible, horrible,

891
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: can't stay healthy, fastballs stinks, but slide is really good.

892
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: Stills and Angels, Yeah, there it is. It's probably something

893
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: you could drag out of him right now. It's funny

894
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: that the Braves traded him through hojoorhees Selair, gave the

895
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: Angels that whole contract and then just cut Gryffin Canning.

896
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Just shows you how stupid that organization is and why

897
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean the Angels that they thought that they were

898
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: getting rid of Griffin Canning for hojoryeesel Air and they're.

899
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: Like, oh, what a deal.

900
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: We just got an all started caliber hitting dh for

901
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: a picture that stinks in the bridge like it. We

902
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: never wanted them, just wanted you to take the money.

903
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank thank you for taking the three year

904
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: commitment off our hands because we're kind of a secretly

905
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: broke team. But Gryffin Canning is my la of the hood.

906
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: And then next week got putrid.

907
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm I'm seeing some of the names that

908
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: you put on future in the Google docs, And these

909
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: were guys that I looked at and I said, I

910
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: can't put them on the list there they're putrid.

911
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: They're tetribals. What I gotta do it.

912
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: There's there's reasons behind some of them, like I see

913
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: Luis Patino on here, and I'm with you too.

914
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: I'll never give up on it. I can't give up.

915
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: I can't quit the electric as a prospect.

916
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: No, probably though he just winds up being more of reliever,

917
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: which will be the theme of these these future putrid names.

918
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: But there's probably just still like some kind of live

919
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: in this year with a fastball and the Slyly's picked

920
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: up a two seam in the lastew years because the

921
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: four seamer just wasn't that dominant and uh in the

922
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: majors as it could have been. But there might there

923
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: might be something here, like the same reason to soon

924
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: kept getting his chances, like I can't quit Les Patino

925
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: until that coffin is closed. I will available.

926
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: Probably who would whose team would he be on?

927
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: I mean, may maybe get a White Sox put them

928
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: a triple A next one similar wasscer, you knowa twenty

929
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: twenty two, those those two months of twenty twenty two. Man,

930
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that incredible ninety seven with a six.

931
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: Ly there.

932
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: He did get smacked around last year in triple the

933
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: brace caught him, but still is a really good slider again,

934
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: probably more of a reliever. And the last one on

935
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: the il still technically jeez, yeah, last one. Another guy

936
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: who got time of John June is still on the IR

937
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: mentioned him last episode. He's a guy to bring in

938
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: for like one million dollars to let them rehab, just

939
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: to see what we got here. Ray Kerr, Baby, I

940
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: love ray Kerr. Sits ninety five from the left side

941
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: with a really good curve ball, shows a color and

942
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: display there. All of them are. Plus. I think that

943
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: he actually is someone that you will hear ray Kerr's

944
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: name in the major leagues again, mark my words. I

945
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: don't know if it'll be with the Mets, but you

946
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: will hear this name in the next three years.

947
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: And we know that if the Mets signed ray Kerr,

948
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: David Searns or someone close to David Searns, ear is listening,

949
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: because no one in their fucking right mind just bring

950
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: up ray Kerr on any sort of podcast right now.

951
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: But I will not quit ray Kerr.

952
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: That's why we're stick in the head. We get all

953
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: these views on these Wan Soda episodes, We're like, how

954
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: about bargain pictures? How about we talk about guys that

955
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: nobody gives a fuck about besides us?

956
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: And you know what, that's what you guys are listening too,

957
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: because you should give a fuck about these guys, because

958
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: I mean even last year, like we were a little

959
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: bit off Batchel and I and neither of us really

960
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: luck that signing. But we're like, at least there's some

961
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: upside on it. We both love said both hated Jose Cantana,

962
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: but we also tum too are notwithstanding, there's just there.

963
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: This front office seems to have a knack of finding

964
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: guys for no money who are a little bit better

965
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: than the rest of the market.

966
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 3: Things.

967
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, while you're probably not getting two studs again, you

968
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: will find someone maybe from this list or some other

969
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: list that's going to contribute a big way to the

970
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: Mets next season. That's really important.

971
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just to kind of put a bow on

972
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: this thing, I think the Mets are also can be

973
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: really active on the trade market as well. That seems

974
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: to be the where if you are looking for not

975
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: like the ace market is great on the trade market too,

976
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: but if you're looking for some guys to be fillers,

977
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: to be back end guys, the trade market's a great

978
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: place this offseason. There are the Rays, the Rockies, even like,

979
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams that are willing to just

980
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: give up anybody right now.

981
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: I think I'm in terms of starting pitching.

982
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned Jeffrey Springs on the trade episode recently.

983
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I think he'll be someone who's available to the Mets.

984
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: Austin Gomber.

985
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: Austin Gomber, I mean, just give him one more shot.

986
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: I'm trying to trades guy.

987
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Zach Ltel will be available.

988
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: So many of these teams are like too close to

989
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: competing right now where I'm like, are you gonna trade guys?

990
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: I don't really know if you're going to trade guys,

991
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

992
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: Rob Manford's everybody's a playoff team.

993
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He resoiled the game that we love,

994
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: Like we're not training for Tristan McKenzie. Even though the

995
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: Guardians are gonna trade everyone else on their roster. That

996
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: makes over a million dollars. It's just I don't the

997
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: trade market. It just happens randomly. It's very hard to

998
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: predict the MLB trade market.

999
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and whenever something happens, we'll let you know. If

1000
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: there's a rumor, we'll let you know. That's what we

1001
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: do over here. Thank you guys for listening and watching

1002
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: this episode of the met stup podcast. Make sure you

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00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
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1004
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Speaker 2: App James Underscore Chiano.

1009
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Speaker 1: I'm Draftnick Mark with the c. Thank you guys for

1010
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: listening and watching. We'll catch you after this weekend for

1011
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: another episode.

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Speaker 3: Peace out, peace out. See you guys next time.