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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, Emily A Badi here bringing you Episode one

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Speaker 3: Talk to me about that move and where you were at, Like,

448
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Speaker 3: were you ready to take on this sport full time?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it came as a I don't want to say

450
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Speaker 1: it came out as a surprise, because running professionally after

451
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: college was a desire of mine. Like, but I also

452
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Speaker 1: had created this secondary option for myself. I applied for

453
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Speaker 1: Teach for America and I was you know, I was

454
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Speaker 1: going to be teaching a I already was stationed to

455
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Speaker 1: be there to teach, like signed up for my like

456
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Speaker 1: training program over the summer. That was kind of my

457
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Speaker 1: backup plan, but was becoming more of my full time plan,

458
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Speaker 1: and so it was I think that that was kind

459
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: of lingering in the back of my mind, but as

460
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Speaker 1: long as the opportunity to run Prevent presented itself, that

461
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Speaker 1: that was what I was going to do. So I

462
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Speaker 1: felt ready for the transition. Of course, being ready for

463
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Speaker 1: something doesn't make it easy or doesn't actually mean you

464
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: were ready for it. I move, you know, essentially back

465
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Speaker 1: home and was training with my high school coach and

466
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Speaker 1: just some people that I had been that I had known,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, since high school. So it was nice to

468
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Speaker 1: be in familiar territory while I was kind of pursuing

469
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Speaker 1: this unknown But it was really difficult. It's hard to

470
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Speaker 1: be a profession. There's no like real blueprint in professional

471
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: running the same way that there is in you know,

472
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Speaker 1: maybe if you get drafted to a.

473
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Speaker 2: Team or you know, you join a league or something.

474
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: Running is very individualized in that way, so it can

475
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Speaker 1: be you're really.

476
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Speaker 2: Setting your own routine and your own.

477
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Speaker 1: Structure, and that was a little bit challenging coming out

478
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Speaker 1: of the collegiate system, just because you know, everything is

479
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: you're told what time you be at practice, what time

480
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: you're at weights. You know, these are the three places

481
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: you go to eat. It just kind of simplifies things

482
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Speaker 1: a lot. And being professional obviously you have a lot

483
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Speaker 1: more freedom to individualize and tailor your schedule and your training,

484
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Speaker 1: but that also makes you open up a bunch of

485
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Speaker 1: tabs of like should I do this or that or

486
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Speaker 1: try this, and that can be a little bit difficult

487
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Speaker 1: when you just have to learn how to get back

488
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Speaker 1: to simplicity after you know, getting to the buffet of

489
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Speaker 1: post collegiate running, professional running, and then like learning how

490
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Speaker 1: you simplify it.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned Teach for America. What made you not go

492
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Speaker 5: that route?

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00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, mostly just things kind of quickly having this opportunity

494
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Speaker 1: to run professionally. It really kind of came together at

495
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: the very last my you know, my last race in

496
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Speaker 1: college and then the US Championships a few weeks later.

497
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Speaker 1: That was kind of cemented that I was going to

498
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Speaker 1: be able to have a contract and train and train

499
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Speaker 1: full time. So you know, I defer. I remember I

500
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Speaker 1: deferred my slot and Teach for America. You're allowed to

501
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: deffer it for a year, and I just was saying, like,

502
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be trying to train for these World

503
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: Championships in the Olympics and it was valid enough reason

504
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: to delay my entry. If so, I was like, I'm

505
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Speaker 1: I kind of still had that during my first year,

506
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: which I think helped me just be like, I can

507
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: still do something else, Like you're still doing this for fun,

508
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: even though you know it's a job. Now, you can

509
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: still do other things if you if you hate it

510
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: or if it doesn't work out. But I really kind

511
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: of just immersed myself in it. And then now it's

512
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: it is, you know very much where I want to

513
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: be full time and if teaching will still be there,

514
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: if if I needed to be, so that that's something

515
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: that I, yeah, I can still do.

516
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Speaker 3: You moved to Philadelphia in twenty fourteen, and then come

517
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Speaker 3: two thousand and sixteen, you head on over to a

518
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: very important moment for yourself. The let's start with the

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Speaker 3: track and field trials. So talk to me about the

520
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Speaker 3: track and field trials and how it was for you

521
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Speaker 3: to make your first Olympic team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was super exciting.

523
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Speaker 1: Again, I'll lament that was most exciting because at the

524
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Speaker 1: time I was, you know, my coaches first Olympian. I

525
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Speaker 1: qualified with a really close friend and teammate, and that

526
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Speaker 1: was the first time I think my whole family was

527
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Speaker 1: at one of my races, so you know, the day,

528
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Speaker 1: the day's events are kind of abiva blur, and you know,

529
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Speaker 1: the race was very hard. It was my second ten k,

530
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Speaker 1: and it very dramatically from my first. My first one

531
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Speaker 1: felt you know, comfortable and and it was kind of

532
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Speaker 1: the conditions and the pacing were all very smooth and agreeable,

533
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Speaker 1: and you know, the trials for for my second attempt

534
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Speaker 1: at the distance was it was hot. They changed the

535
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Speaker 1: time of the race to the morning because it was

536
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Speaker 1: going to be so hot. So that just kind of,

537
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Speaker 1: I remember, threw things off a little bit mentally, was

538
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Speaker 1: you know, preparing to be for a night race versus

539
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Speaker 1: waking up super early.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: I remember, like I had been to Eugene before, a

542
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Speaker 1: lot of our collegiate championships are there, US trials are

543
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: there in other during other years, but you know, the

544
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Speaker 1: Hayward Field really does transform during the Olympic trials and

545
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Speaker 1: I'd never been doing trials before, so I remember definitely

546
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Speaker 1: feeling a little bit starstruck going the night before to

547
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Speaker 1: like get my bib and seeing all these tents things

548
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Speaker 1: blow up, and yeah, it just was. It felt like

549
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Speaker 1: a very amplified moment, and I was a little bit

550
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Speaker 1: I remember being a little bit shocked by that. I

551
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Speaker 1: got a little bit nervous, but you know, mostly very excited.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me about the time period between the trials

603
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Speaker 3: and going to the Olympics. What do you remember about

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Speaker 3: that build up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean we were just back in Philly.

606
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Speaker 1: We didn't do like any training camps beforehand, just because

607
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Speaker 1: the weather and the time was going to be pretty

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Speaker 1: we were experiencing there or we're guessing would be pretty

610
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Speaker 1: similar to Rio. So yeah, again, I remember just being

611
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Speaker 1: having a community rally around you, like I had a

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Speaker 1: ton of guys that were were helping me pace through

613
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Speaker 1: things or just like keep me company on runs, and

614
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Speaker 1: it was it was just fun. We trained at Sheeltenham

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Speaker 1: Middle School this is and I remember like the kids

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Speaker 1: and the teachers and everyone being really excited that, you know,

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Speaker 1: like we had spent all year training.

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Speaker 2: There and you know, we were getting ready for our

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Speaker 2: build up.

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Speaker 1: And it did definitely feel like the community really rallied

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Speaker 1: around the work that we had put in all year,

622
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Speaker 1: that they had seen us in all year, and and

623
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Speaker 1: and was like, you know, every practice kind of felt

624
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Speaker 1: like a mini send off.

625
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Speaker 2: So that was fun.

626
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a little bit surreal because you have

627
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Speaker 1: to spend a little bit of time coming down from

628
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: the high and then get back into preparation again. So yeah,

629
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Speaker 1: that was I remember being a little bit challenging, but

630
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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful to get another attempt at it, so you know,

631
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm prepared on how to refocus again.

632
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Speaker 3: Was just simply being there absolutely surreal. Like when you

633
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Speaker 3: arrived in Rio, did you ever expect or envision this

634
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Speaker 3: for yourself when you were younger?

635
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Speaker 1: I think like when I was younger, it felt much

636
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Speaker 1: more of like a vivid dream or aspiration that I

637
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Speaker 1: wanted for myself.

638
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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I remember I like wrote in some journal that I

640
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: that I wanted to go to the Olympics because I

641
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Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of a.

642
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Speaker 2: Team and I wanted to run on all the relays.

643
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Speaker 1: So so it was definitely something that was I feel

644
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: like embedded in me when I was younger, But as

645
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: I got older, you know, you like s thinks that

646
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: you have to have all these quote unquote like rational thoughts,

647
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: but it's just put into perspective.

648
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Speaker 2: When I got older, that it was, you know, was a.

649
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Speaker 1: Little bit more than just the desire and in a dream,

650
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: there's a ton of work behind it that had to

651
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Speaker 1: happen for something like that to maticulate. So I think

652
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Speaker 1: as I got older, maybe I separated myself a little

653
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: bit from that dream just because you know, maybe I

654
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: was just nervous about it not happening. So you just

655
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Speaker 1: kind of let go a little bit and hope to

656
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Speaker 1: take a little bit of the pressure off yourself. Yeah,

657
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Speaker 1: I felt like as soon as I turned professional, it

658
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: was like even in twenty twelve, I remember like our

659
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: cross country team went to Houston to watch the marathon trials.

660
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Speaker 1: So I feel like I go was getting a little

661
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: sprinkles here or there, Like I watched it twenty twelve

662
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: trials in the Olympics, and I was just you know,

663
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Speaker 1: so long as I was also running, I think that

664
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Speaker 1: that was always something in my mind that I wanted

665
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Speaker 1: to do.

666
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Speaker 5: Talk to me about injury.

667
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Speaker 3: How has that been something that you have navigated throughout

668
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: your professional career.

669
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: So I've been pretty fortunate not to experience really any

670
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: injuries of like huge magnitude that's made me take an

671
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: extended period of time off or you know. I think

672
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: the biggest trouble that I've had in physically is I

673
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: meant I don't necessarily have like the bone break or

674
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: fracture or or those sorts of hard lines. I think

675
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I can sometimes dig myself into holes and you know,

676
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: I won't have any physical scar from it, but it

677
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: is I think I've had trouble learning or trying to

678
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: figure out where my where my line is, where I'm

679
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: what I've gone too far. So that's really been the

680
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: biggest challenge compared in in in the training space for

681
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: me is figuring out what what is enough and what

682
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: is how I can structure my training in a way

683
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: so that I'm not just getting so fatigued because you know,

684
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: my just personally for me, my body won't show those

685
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: fatigues in in the way of you know, an injury.

686
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: Whether it's an injury or just something someone might be

687
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: going through in their personal life. So often we have

688
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: these hurdles, as we love to call them, that that

689
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: pop up when.

690
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 5: We least expect it.

691
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: For someone that might be struggling with UH with an injury,

692
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: what would you advise or what would you what piece

693
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: of advice would you offer them to stay positive if

694
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: possible when they might not be able to perform, how

695
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: they win that they could.

696
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: I think it's all really just trying to restructure it

697
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: as the challenge that you that you wanted.

698
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I.

699
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Tie and tell myself a lot of times and workouts

700
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: where a normally tired or I'm just not feeling great,

701
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm like this this is it, Like this is the

702
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: feeling that you've been trying to mimic so that when

703
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: race day comes, when you're in a tight position or space,

704
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: that you have the tools to navigate it. So, you know,

705
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: injury or you know, the hurdle.

706
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: That's that's not what you want.

707
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: That's not what you plan for, but getting it can

708
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: be a gift, and that you're just adding to your

709
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: tool belt and how you can how you can respond. Really,

710
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to, is you know what

711
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: we trained so hard for is is being able to

712
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: have a response to you know what the challenge is.

713
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: Definitely, and you mentioned the difficulties that came hand in

714
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: hand with not necessarily waking up every day and being

715
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: told exactly what to do and being part of a team.

716
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, though you make a shift and become

717
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: part of a team again.

718
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 5: Talk to me about that.

719
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of it was that I

720
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: wanted to be in.

721
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: A more distance oriented group.

722
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: I was training predominantly with a lot of really incredible

723
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: middle distance mostly eight hundred meter athletes, and I was

724
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: trying to find my niche in some of the longer events.

725
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: So I wanted that challenge and that guidance. And I

726
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: also didn't want to be afraid of people of you know,

727
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: of getting dropped or having tough workouts, being in tough places.

728
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: I wanted to, you know, think that for myself.

729
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: I could learn to be in a place where you know,

730
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: I may not be the best every day. I may

731
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: not have the best days, but I could still be

732
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: supportive of other people, and I could still be supportive

733
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: of myself despite like different things happening around me. Like

734
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to challenge myself in that way because you know,

735
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I want to believe that I am a I'm supportive person,

736
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: like I want everyone to win just as much as

737
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: I want myself to win. And I wanted to be

738
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: in that type of in that type of culture and environment.

739
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: And I felt like Bowman was a really good opportunity

740
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: to put myself in a place that I would that

741
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: I would have to make adjustments to my frame of

742
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: thinking and just adjustments to my training and hope that

743
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: all of these changes that I was making would make me,

744
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, just a better athlete and hopefully person for sure.

745
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: So talk to me about what your first impressions were

746
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: of training with the track club.

747
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's a good that's a good question.

748
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 5: First, and not to throw anybody under the bus or anything.

749
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean previous guest Emily and fel I remember

750
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: like going to one of our first practices and doing

751
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: in the fall. We do a lot of base work,

752
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: a lot of long repeats, and I remember like seeing

753
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Emily do you know, I don't remember what it was,

754
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: but it was way further than anything i'd ever done

755
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: in practice, way faster, and I just remember being like wow,

756
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: you know, like that's that's it, Like that's what you

757
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: have to get to and if you know, you're It

758
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: was a good feeling to just be in a place

759
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: where you're like, Okay, the work and the formula is set.

760
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: You kind of just have to figure out how you

761
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: can how you can get there. And yeah, I just

762
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: remember being really impressed by everyone and just you know,

763
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: besides all of the athletic achievements that you know, had

764
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: already been accomplished and now we're obviously showing up day

765
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: to day in practice, it was just really good energy

766
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: and nice people, which I think there can be some

767
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: misnomers about having a ton of talent in one place

768
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: that can be caddy or you know, a tough working environment,

769
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: but I felt the opposite, where it was all just

770
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: really supportive, and you know, it made it challenged me

771
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, am I am I giving that

772
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: support back, because you know, I definitely felt like people

773
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: were constantly filling your cup and just like telling you

774
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: that it was you know, it was hard, but you'll

775
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: get there, and yeah, that's what I remember. It was

776
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: just like you know, when you're no matter what, like

777
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, when you are around good people. And environment

778
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: is definitely filled with a lot of good people.

779
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: You talked earlier, we equipped a little bit about this

780
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 3: concept of emotional hoarding and trying to get comfortable not

781
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 3: just with yourself but those around you. When you finally

782
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: were surrounded with so many like minded individuals and women,

783
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: did you feel a little bit more at ease to

784
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: to vocalize and talk about your shared experiences.

785
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I it was definitely different because you know, and

786
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I was training before in Philly or even in college.

787
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: It was there was still so many varying interests. You know,

788
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: some people are only training part time, some people are

789
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, this is their full job. Some people are

790
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: an environment of course, has a ton of different personalities

791
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: and varying interests, but it felt like we're definitely united

792
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: by you know, we were all.

793
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: Under this, all working towards the same thing.

794
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: Everyone's individual goals very a little bit, but it was

795
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: like the type of excellence and that everyone was trying

796
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: to work towards felt very grounding and similar. So that's

797
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: just like a really powerful thing to be a part

798
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: of is when everyone really.

799
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: Is, you know.

800
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: I think that's why we are able to respect each

801
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: other so well and work so well together, is because

802
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: there is that we all are rooted in the same

803
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: principles of like one to get the most out of ourselves,

804
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: finding our potential, like pushing the limits of the sport,

805
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: and all of those principles I think are foundations for

806
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: everyone in their training.

807
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 2: So it's just cool to be unified by that.

808
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: From a running perspective. And then we'll shift into probably

809
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: a little bit more of the personal side. I'd love

810
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: to hear about how this year has been for you

811
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: and your training.

812
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: It's been it's been tough, but I also have to

813
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: give credit to this the team and just everyone really

814
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: still did show up day to day the best that

815
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: they could despite very circumstances. And this year was very

816
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: hard for me just you know, being here. I think

817
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: it was much of course, it was an isolating year

818
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: I think for everyone, but I think it was it

819
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: felt like kind of got hit with hit with a

820
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: brick every few weeks there and then in the early

821
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: spring and then like the thick of summer, so training

822
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: was I wouldn't say that it was felt easy every

823
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: day to get out there, but I also was really

824
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: maintaining my routine of training really did help me like

825
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: move the days, like just have some type of pace

826
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: and rhythm to my life. So I you know, professional

827
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: running is pretty simplistic anyway, like you do spend a

828
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: lot of your time training and then basically quarantining in

829
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: place more or less. I think what was more frightening

830
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: about that time was seeing the restriction on other people

831
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: and everything else, Like I think you're used to you

832
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: being the only one or you're a little bubble being

833
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: the only one, but when it kind of hits every corner,

834
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: that was what challenged you know, why am I doing this?

835
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: What's the purpose? What's this going to add up to?

836
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: All of that and certain me surrounding is I think

837
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: what made it more challenging. But I was super grateful

838
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: to have some type of pattern, So I know that's

839
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: probably like the hardest part about this time is the

840
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: time just doesn't feel real.

841
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, totally.

842
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: And I mean what you said about like feeling like

843
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: you got like the brick thrown at you. I think

844
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: that so many people can relate to. We started this

845
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: question just talking about running, but now I mean, talk

846
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: to me about how it's been for you personally.

847
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: Hard I am.

848
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: You know, I had a lot of family, Like my

849
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: dad is a doctor, my mom works in in for

850
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: Headstars and nonprofit that is servicing early childhood education in

851
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: some more in need areas of New and in some

852
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: regions outside of there. I have grandparents met you know,

853
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: my grandma's in New York hadn't left her hasn't really

854
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: left her apartment, and in quite some time. I have

855
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: a lot of cousins and family and friends on the

856
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: East Coast.

857
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: And then I think that was scary to just you know, be.

858
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: Watching upticks from across the country and you know, not

859
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: feeling my parents are you know, older of demogra you know,

860
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: in a demographic that would have me worried.

861
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: So so yeah, it was just confusing.

862
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: I was definitely very worried about my family and just

863
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: not just felt very disconnected. You know, I was not

864
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: really have I loved all of the face times in

865
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: the zooms, but you know they filled me for that moment,

866
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: but it's like you're still have to end the call

867
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: and you're just home in your apartment wondering, you know.

868
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: What's going to come next.

869
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: And I think that just brought up a lot of

870
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: anxiety and was just really hard to watch things kind

871
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: of unravel, felt like, just worried about the sustainability of

872
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: businesses and families and health and all these all these

873
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: moving parts. Really I think took a toll on just

874
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: my ability to cope well with with what was going on.

875
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel that. Do you live alone?

876
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah I do too, and uh, not to uncover like

877
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 3: your marital status, but more so just to sympathize with you,

878
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: Like I totally I feel that. I mean, I live

879
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: in New York and my family's in Connecticut. But even

880
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: being you know, proximity wise closer, I still you know,

881
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: didn't see my family for at least five months outside

882
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: of like zoom happy hours and like zoom Shabbat services

883
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: and zoom everything. I've never thought about ever zooming before

884
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: in my life. Yes, And so I can, I mean,

885
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: I can totally relate with you about just feeling at

886
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: times super lonely and a little unsure.

887
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

888
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

889
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: It was definitely a wild ride to be to live

890
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: alone during this And I'm sure people will say the

891
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: same thing about having multiple roommates or whatever the circumstances

892
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: may be.

893
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: But I just I think it's it's.

894
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: Dangerous to be isolated with your thoughts during you know,

895
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: a global pandemic, social unrest, and election, like all these

896
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: moving parts coming up, and I just think I just

897
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: had way too much time to my own thoughts, and

898
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: that that was That was That was definitely a big

899
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: challenge personally, which was trying was learning how to just

900
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: kind of shut yourself up sometimes and just watch something

901
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: or listen to something or you know, do some activity

902
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: whatever it may be that can just kind of put

903
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: you into that and out of this like Doom's day headspace.

904
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 5: I know, the doomsday headspace.

905
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: Well, so, I mean from a positive perspective, however, what

906
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 3: good would you say has come from this year for you?

907
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Good I would I would say, is I'm just I'm

908
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: doing my best to continue to just you know, pick

909
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: up the phone and continue to hold onto these relationships

910
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: that I feel like really got me through a tough

911
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: time and to just nurture those things in my life

912
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: because I know everyone I'm sure is probably a new

913
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: found appreciation for family or friends that are become family,

914
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: whatever it may be for you. But you know, I

915
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: don't think I was the best person at always picking

916
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: up the call or calling my grandparents or you know,

917
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: setting aside time to check in on people as well

918
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: as being open and then check on the So you

919
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: know that that is the good piece is where I

920
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: feel like, I just we've all gotten so creative in

921
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: how we interact with one another. And then I just

922
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: I think that's just been inspiring all in all, is

923
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: that we have found a way to work through things

924
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: and get get a little bit creative again.

925
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: And I am grateful.

926
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: And you know that that's been the positive outcome for

927
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: me this year, is that it's just like you can

928
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: make things happen no matter what, and you just have

929
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: to kind of keep plugging away at it and keep

930
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: the lines of communication open reach out to people. Yeah,

931
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: that's been my big takeaway of the years. I'm not

932
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: always the best person at like picking up the call or.

933
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: Making the call, but I have newfound commitment to it.

934
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: I like that positive progress, all forward progress is progress.

935
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

936
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: Obviously we're recording this during a crazy uncertain time right

937
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 3: now for our country. This episode. It's going to be

938
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: coming out on November ninth. We're recording it on November fifth,

939
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: So much could.

940
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 6: Happen now and then, which is just crazy, but but

941
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 6: in I guess maybe a more general sense, how do

942
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 6: you feel right now in this moment?

943
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I fluctuate between not like nauseus, worried, and just kind

944
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: of fired up no matter what, like I think that they're.

945
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm I just have I.

946
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: Want to be hopeful always, Like I think you really

947
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: need to have discipline in being hopeful.

948
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't just come to you. You do have to

949
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: work at it.

950
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: And you know That's what I'm trying to switch my

951
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: mindset to is, you know, like, no matter what, there

952
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: were some great things, there were some really powerful outcomes

953
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: from this election. And I feel like I've been really

954
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: leaning into Stacy Abrams's story of you know, I felt

955
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: like she had a really tough outcome in Georgia in

956
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: two years ago and she's just like continued to rally

957
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: and organize and speak on behalf of you know, everyone

958
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: having their voice heard, and just her work in voter

959
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: suppression and then what she's done to kind of rewrite

960
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: I think a really tough time for her has been

961
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: really inspirational for me personally. So I'm like, if she

962
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: can get up and keep it moving and talk about

963
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: how important it is that we all are engaged and participating,

964
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, I can, I too, can can find a

965
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: way to no matter what, be dutiful in in my

966
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: in my hopefulness and just really reach for reach for

967
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: positives and like just gotta just gotta keep working.

968
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 5: Just how to keep working?

969
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And I mean I think it's been it's

970
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 3: definitely been like an interesting, an interesting couple of weeks.

971
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of people thought that

972
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: things would be happening in one way or another way,

973
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 3: and if anything, this is just another example of understanding

974
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 3: that things might not always go as you thought or

975
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 3: had hoped, but there's still always going to be a tomorrow,

976
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: and it's up to us to figure out how to

977
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: how to best push forward in these situations of both

978
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: adversity and and things that maybe you couldn't truly have

979
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 3: prepared for as you wish you could have.

980
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: For sure, I think like the lesson is, you know,

981
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: you always have to be on ready to pivot and

982
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: ready to plan. Replan doesn't look like anything, how I

983
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: personally thought it was going to look you know, maybe

984
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: that that's different for other people, but I think the

985
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: big difference for me is, you know, learning not to

986
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: just sit in.

987
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: This isn't what I thought it was going to be.

988
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: Just having better reaction time, like failing faster, learning faster,

989
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: just keeping it moving and yeah, just have to be

990
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: ready to come up with a new strategy always, definitely.

991
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 5: So tell me what excites you right now?

992
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: Exciting news?

993
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: Hmm, Well, I I really do feel very empowered and

994
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: excited by just all of the like creative people right now.

995
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: I think I look back on all of the you know,

996
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: like random DJ sets and verses that artists did during quarantine.

997
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: Like there's literally already a movie out about COVID on

998
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: some Netflix, Hulu something. There's interviews happening, there's I just

999
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: feel like there's a ton of ideas being in exchange

1000
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: right now.

1001
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: There's a ton of.

1002
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: Work being put out to help us navigate what is happening,

1003
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: and you know, not directly related to what's happening, but

1004
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: just who we are like as a nation and what

1005
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: are you know, who we are, what we are, what

1006
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: we have to say, what we care about I'm really

1007
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: excited even podcasts, Like, I'm just excited about all of

1008
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: this exchange, all these voices, new voices, voices like that's

1009
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: what really has been so inspiring to me during these times,

1010
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like, really what gets me fired

1011
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: up is I feel like all of these things combined

1012
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: can really be instrumental in influencing how we, you know,

1013
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: go about treating one another, how we make laws, how

1014
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: we just govern and interact with other in general. I

1015
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: think they're going to be really influential in that. And

1016
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: I like the diversity and creativity in all those spaces.

1017
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what I'm excited about. I think

1018
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: just people doing their thing really well.

1019
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 5: I guess kind of a creative exchange of ideas. I

1020
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 5: dig that.

1021
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: So, I mean, right now, if I was to open

1022
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: your Instagram, I would see a strong woman, female athlete

1023
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 3: runner that's got fourteen point one thousand followers. When you,

1024
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: Mary Elle, look in the mirror, what is it that

1025
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: you see looking back at you?

1026
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: I see a very curious person, fun and question mark

1027
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: question mark.

1028
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: I think I'm fun, but I think you're fun too.

1029
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm someone who is just like hopeful that there's still

1030
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: more to go. Like, I like who I am, but

1031
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: I hope that I'm still growing and I'm excited. I'm

1032
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: definitely when I wake up, I'm excited. I don't know

1033
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: what's happening, but I'm excited to just continue to like

1034
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: have different versions of myself.

1035
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: Right now, you have an opportunity to give yourself a

1036
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: piece of advice. I'm going to bring it back to

1037
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: earlier this year. I mean, twenty twenty has been a

1038
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: hurdle for so many of us. You have an opportunity

1039
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: maybe to offer the maryel who is sitting at home alone,

1040
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: sure of what the hell is going on, a piece

1041
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: of advice back in April.

1042
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 5: What do you tell her?

1043
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's that's good. If I can give myself

1044
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: a piece of advice in April, maybe just just pace yourself.

1045
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: I think I came out of the gates blazing when

1046
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: I heard the news of like we were going to

1047
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: have additional time. I think I just got really fixated

1048
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: on this idea of extra time and that I you know,

1049
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: if that meant that I had to go above and

1050
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: beyond what I was doing in my current time. So

1051
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: if I could go back, I would just say you

1052
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: know this had these have been extreme circumstances. I don't

1053
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: know if I can really qualify this year as extra.

1054
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: Time the like.

1055
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: So I would just tell myself to you know, continue

1056
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: to stay, stay in the lane that you're in, and

1057
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: pay yourself, be patient. You don't have to go like

1058
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to change anything or you don't have

1059
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: to do more because I don't know, this isn't punishment,

1060
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: I guess just you know, continue to keep doing the

1061
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: things that you're doing, and yeah, always just have a

1062
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: little bit more patience.

1063
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 5: How do you feel about the Olympic pushback?

1064
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: It's still really wild to be in the next year

1065
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: of or like already kind of be almost in twenty

1066
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: twenty one, and then to kind of be in November

1067
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: what would have been after the Olympics. I think the

1068
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: whole big thing about sports again is like there is

1069
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: no extra time. You have to be ready when the

1070
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: date's set, and the date set you know, in stone always,

1071
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: So it's a little crazy. I have never had this,

1072
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: or you know, I know no one's ever had this,

1073
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: but I think it's been strange to kind of continue

1074
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: to play the well what if kind of game. So

1075
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: I've had to try and like just get out of

1076
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: that and really just accept like, Okay, it didn't happen.

1077
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: You got to kind of move on and figure out

1078
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: what the next next stage of things will be here. So, yeah,

1079
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: it's it's wild, I think, but it's been wild for everyone,

1080
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: and since this has been something that's hit everyone, I

1081
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: think you kind of can take yourself out of it

1082
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: a little bit and just say, you all, it is

1083
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: what it is.

1084
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 5: You can just do the best you can with what

1085
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 5: you have.

1086
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, thank you so much for talking to

1087
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 3: me today.

1088
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 5: I really really appreciate it.

1089
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, thank you.

1090
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 3: How do the hurdlers keep up with you? How do

1091
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 3: they follow along with you? Give me all the deats?

1092
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 2: How do they keep up with me?

1093
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: Probably just instagram my full name but an extra L

1094
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: on the end, and yeah, I mean you give a

1095
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: follow to the Bowman Track Club Bowerman TC on Instagram

1096
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: and Twitter. I will be training, appearing probably in that

1097
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: space in some capacity, and the Olympic Trials are set

1098
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: for June of twenty twenty one, So if there are

1099
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: any track fans or converted track fans, I would say,

1100
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, mark that on your calendar.

1101
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: I think that's about it.

1102
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 5: That's it.

1103
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 3: I am at Emily Abadi at Hurdle Podcast, Another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 5: Catch you guys next time.