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Speaker 1: Year everybody. It is Talking Cowboys on New Year's Eve,
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. I am Bill Jones with Brian brought
Speaker 1: us in the house. Hello, mister Draft Show Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are we doing? Guys? Rob Phillips in the house. Hello.
Speaker 1: Miss You're gonna talk about your trip yesterday. You want
Speaker 1: to save it? Save it? Well, save it? Hello, mister Aggie.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Hello, Hello, and mister Graybeard. Mickey Spagnola is
Speaker 1: still not shaving. No, absolutely not. It's only March, that's right,
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean you're keeping it so New Year's Eve, huh.
Speaker 1: It is New Year's like the Chinese calendar or whatever
Speaker 1: that is. It's the NFL. New Year's starts tomorrow, you
Speaker 1: know that. Mickey Spagnola. And this is I this is
Speaker 1: sort of like amateur hour. This this uh, legal tampering period.
Speaker 1: It's amateur hour and the real stuff is tomorrow. You know.
Speaker 1: That's why I look at I look at it like
Speaker 1: the real New Year's Eve when you're when you're a drinker,
Speaker 1: it's amateur on New Year's Eve. You don't go out.
Speaker 1: You don't drink on New Year's Eve if you're a
Speaker 1: real drinker. Yeah, Why there's anything going on out there? Bill?
Speaker 1: A few things going on? What's caught your eyes so far? Um?
Speaker 1: How much money other teams are about to spend starting
Speaker 1: Wednesday's right? But again, I mean we do this every year, right,
Speaker 1: Why it's amateur hour? Why aren't the cowboys doing more?
Speaker 1: Who says they're not looking at getting things done? You
Speaker 1: know we're not. You know, we don't know what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do right now, but we do know they
Speaker 1: have a cap on how much money they want to spend.
Speaker 1: They always do that. But because say they're not going
Speaker 1: to do anything. Um, I wouldn't go that far. No,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm amazed, Well, not really amazed.
Speaker 1: I'm the way the safeties fell. I didn't think the
Speaker 1: safeties would fall this way, as far as the order
Speaker 1: than which they went in. So the fact that the
Speaker 1: one safety that I guess I want is still available
Speaker 1: and when the music stops, I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: going to have a chair. And so I'm okay with that,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm hopeful and if you know, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then that this it gives them a
Speaker 1: chance now whether they go that direction or not. As
Speaker 1: a whole other thing, I know, talk to some folks that,
Speaker 1: you know, the money was always going to be a
Speaker 1: consideration there. So if the money is the right thing
Speaker 1: for them, then maybe they can go that route and
Speaker 1: add a player for what they thought they were going
Speaker 1: to be able to pay him. So I see that
Speaker 1: as a real positive right now. That's the thing I'm
Speaker 1: really really focusing on because if you can get that done,
Speaker 1: then now it'll allow you to do the other things
Speaker 1: you want to try and do with the defensive end.
Speaker 1: But it also allows you to focus on the draft
Speaker 1: as well. Seven by my count safeties have been signed.
Speaker 1: Ye are agreed to excuse me, contracts, none of which
Speaker 1: named Earl Thomas. Why do you think that is? That's
Speaker 1: what was going to be my next question. I think
Speaker 1: age and injury probably has something to do with that
Speaker 1: and the fact that his agent is his agent is
Speaker 1: the same one they just got the deal done in Washington.
Speaker 1: I think that he probably saw what was going on,
Speaker 1: you know, with the combine. We get there and everybody
Speaker 1: kind of has an idea of what the market might be.
Speaker 1: He went with landing Collins first as a push, and
Speaker 1: now is now they're having to play catch up with
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. So I think that he probably saw where
Speaker 1: this thing was going to go with the other teams.
Speaker 1: I think the team you still have to worry about
Speaker 1: is Atlanta, and Atlanta cleared some space again, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about if the Cowboys are interested in the sky. I
Speaker 1: think you have to worry about Atlanta. Atlanta has their
Speaker 1: former You know, Dan Quinn was with him at Seattle.
Speaker 1: He knows the player. They cleared some space, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: That might be the one team you have to dodge left.
Speaker 1: Other than that, you might have a clear run at
Speaker 1: this thing. Man, twenty four hours ago, it seemed like
Speaker 1: a different vibe because when he saw what Collins got
Speaker 1: and then he saw what Tyrn Matthew is going to
Speaker 1: get from Kansas City, It's like, yeah, world, Thomas is
Speaker 1: going to get what he wants. He's gonna get fifteen million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now those guys are fourteen million in a year. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not getting fourteen million a year. So I understand
Speaker 1: about the aging part. Yeah, but none of these other
Speaker 1: teams didn't sound like they made a run at him.
Speaker 1: Now they're probably again they scared. They're probably scared of
Speaker 1: injury history, and they're probably scared of age. So should
Speaker 1: the Cowboys be scared? Nah, not at all, Not at all.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be scared him? Who at all? Because because the
Speaker 1: guy is a veteran player. I think if you get
Speaker 1: him at the price you were able you wanted to
Speaker 1: get him, that he could come in. He could help
Speaker 1: your team defensively, create turnovers. I think he could be
Speaker 1: a leader in the locker room. I think he could
Speaker 1: provide a lot of things. If I'm getting in for
Speaker 1: the money I want and not fifteen million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: sign me up. And if it's a two year deal,
Speaker 1: sign me up. I have no problem with that for
Speaker 1: a team. If you're telling me, if you're telling me,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have to do this deal for five
Speaker 1: six years, Yeah, he's not a fifteen million dollars year
Speaker 1: a player? Is he an eight million dollars year a player?
Speaker 1: Two years, two years, twenty million dollars guaranteed? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that what he is? Mickey? Are you? Are you
Speaker 1: not agreeing to that? I would when you mentioned eight million,
Speaker 1: I think I would. Okay, look at that? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because what would you offer Cole Beasley to come back?
Speaker 1: How many million per year would you pay him to
Speaker 1: come back at thirty years old? So to your point,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't had two broken legs in three years.
Speaker 1: He's been hurt though too, Yeah, but he hadn't had
Speaker 1: two broken leg the same legs. Are you broken? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just to me, to me the leg When you're
Speaker 1: talking about breaks, that's a different story. That's that's that
Speaker 1: happens in football. Breaks happened. Yeah, if you told me
Speaker 1: he had blown out his achilles. They gave money to
Speaker 1: bury Church after he blew out his achilles. You know what,
Speaker 1: what are we scared of here? Let me just throw
Speaker 1: this out there. We're not buried. They didn't give Barry
Speaker 1: it's ten million a year. Yeah, but they but they
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying though they paid for a guy
Speaker 1: that they paid Shawn Lee. Shaun Leeds hurt more than
Speaker 1: anybody in the National Football League. Let's not let's not
Speaker 1: lack like that that we don't have hurt players on
Speaker 1: this team. He's I'm just surprised we haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: about him elsewhere, Like San Francisco they wanted they they're out,
Speaker 1: they're out. Let me just throw this out there, and
Speaker 1: this I could be way off. I'm just throwing it
Speaker 1: out there. Do you think teams might just assume he
Speaker 1: wants to come here and we're not gonna let him
Speaker 1: drive up the price against us to try to get
Speaker 1: raised Dallas's offer Das Dallas is not gonna play in
Speaker 1: a bidning war. But yeah, I know that they have
Speaker 1: a number in mind. If they can get their number,
Speaker 1: they need to go with Tayshaun Gibson signing with Houston's
Speaker 1: out big play. Yeah, they're done, They're done San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Atlanta is a team if you're if you're into the
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas market, Atlanta is a team you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to deal with potentially. I don't know. They're off the
Speaker 1: top of my head. Do they need a safety bad Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they have they have They have a situation where
Speaker 1: again their coaching staff is big. You know, they see
Speaker 1: an opportunity to add a veteran player. Right. Second, Gibson
Speaker 1: supposedly has agreed to three years twenty two million with
Speaker 1: the Texans. I don't know the numbers on Gibson. I
Speaker 1: just saw that three years twenty two so that's just
Speaker 1: over seven millions, so totally can I get that? Probably not?
Speaker 1: And who who's going to give him more? Adrian as Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Adrian Amos with Green Bay signed four years thirty seven.
Speaker 1: That was a big deal right there for him because
Speaker 1: he's a he's a down safety as well as Adrian Amos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nine million, are you? And thank you? Look at the
Speaker 1: first two years of his deal though, two years twenty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with his three interceptions. Landon Collins is at six years
Speaker 1: eighty four million, fourteen million a year, Tyron Matthew three
Speaker 1: years forty two million, fourteen million a year. Eric Berry
Speaker 1: is at thirteen million Yearney. It's just bet on himself
Speaker 1: and went well too. Although I just saw where Collins
Speaker 1: the first three years two million, that's real. So see
Speaker 1: what's happening now with these these numbers is that those
Speaker 1: are agent inflated numbers, and no one's talking about what
Speaker 1: the guarantees are normally. Sure, you look at the life
Speaker 1: of the contract, because there's no landing Collins is gonna
Speaker 1: make eighty four million in sixty Probably not, and he'll
Speaker 1: get cut after two. Let's focus on our team here. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, you gotta be better. That's that's
Speaker 1: These guys that are all getting signed are going to
Speaker 1: be gone in two years, three years. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: the cap casualties in twenty twenty one. Get ready for that.
Speaker 1: That's that's generally what happens, right. So do you want
Speaker 1: to play that game? Oh? I want to play. I
Speaker 1: want to play the game of adding a safety. I'm
Speaker 1: not playing the game of adding players for sixteen and
Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars unless their names or Lawrence and people
Speaker 1: like that. I'm with Brian on this, Mick. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to take that next step this season
Speaker 1: and you can get a deal with him that's a
Speaker 1: couple of years, and go for it and get a
Speaker 1: guy that can help you back there, help your help
Speaker 1: your depth, help your takeaways, leadership. Now, what I will
Speaker 1: say is if you just look at the defense, the
Speaker 1: whole defense. To me, the biggest need right now defensive
Speaker 1: defensive line. But why aren't we talking because it's a
Speaker 1: shout talking about safe because you named all those safety
Speaker 1: it's a deep class. If you listen to the draft show, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I can give you one hundred names about defensive tackles
Speaker 1: and defensive ends. I'm going to focus on the defensive
Speaker 1: line in the draft, is what I'm gonna do. So
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna come in and and and be your
Speaker 1: starter at right defensive end. Who the draft guy, Well,
Speaker 1: you're you're well, but this market, you're right, you start
Speaker 1: right defensive end? Is Crawford? Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 1: But you didn't want to improve that? Well, I think
Speaker 1: it was gonna be Randy Gregory, Right, that's an issue.
Speaker 1: And I don't know tanks status with the tag and
Speaker 1: the surgery and all that. When he's going to be
Speaker 1: healthy back, that's that's an issue for me. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the free agent market at that position,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a deep spot. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: might have to look at the d Somebody just signed
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson for like three years, thirty nine million, Cleveland did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Zeke Jans is out there if you want to have
Speaker 1: a run at him, very similar to mean you talk
Speaker 1: about injury history and problems with him, talk about injury
Speaker 1: history justin Houston. Yeah, but you just committed twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars to trying to sign Lawrence Exactly. I'm drafting, drafted.
Speaker 1: I'm drafted a defensive tack or a defensive ent' I'm
Speaker 1: double dipping both, and I'm try I'll try out take
Speaker 1: a run at Earl Earl Thomas here if it's my number.
Speaker 1: And then and because you don't have a first round
Speaker 1: draft pick, you're getting those guys second, third round, fourth
Speaker 1: run whatever it might be. Might they work into a rotation.
Speaker 1: I'm might get the polite kid from Florida that's a
Speaker 1: top fifteen talent, you know, but off the field stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, questions about him might drive him to fIF
Speaker 1: fifty eight, if that's you want to If that's what
Speaker 1: you want to do, if you want to get a
Speaker 1: defensive end, and maybe you get Gregory that before with
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, Oh sure, and maybe you get him back
Speaker 1: for week one, but you certainly can't count on that,
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't rule it out totally might get him
Speaker 1: back week one, but he's going to be there week eight.
Speaker 1: How about Tasher playing better? That would help? Yeah? Would
Speaker 1: you want to bet on that? You know what, Mickey?
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no really no choice right now.
Speaker 1: And then you got Dorin's armstrong as well. It's a
Speaker 1: defensive end. Yeah, candidate, I have a better chance at
Speaker 1: helping my team in the draft at that defensive line
Speaker 1: spot than I do potentially as safety opinion. You know
Speaker 1: there's a couple of names, all right, Brian, you mentioned
Speaker 1: something relating if they were able to secure an earl Thomas. Sure,
Speaker 1: how that would affect the DeMarcus Lawrence situation? What I
Speaker 1: think that you alluded to? That? Not really? Okay? Now
Speaker 1: I know how would it affect who plays and who's
Speaker 1: a backup? Put Jeff Heath? You play, you play. You
Speaker 1: can interchange the two guys as far as would And
Speaker 1: I'm playing Woods. I'm sorry, he I'm making you. I'm
Speaker 1: putting you back on special teams where you you're do
Speaker 1: me the most good. So you're playing woods. I'm playing
Speaker 1: playing Woods. I'm interchanging. If I have to play one down,
Speaker 1: I play one down. If it's to play one back.
Speaker 1: I play one back. I think there are interchangeable pieces there,
Speaker 1: all right, if you let's explore this Earl Thomas and
Speaker 1: how it works from a salary a payroll standpoint on
Speaker 1: the defense. And with Byron Jones coming open next year,
Speaker 1: you got to sign him if you're going to keep
Speaker 1: him long term. So would signing an Earl Thomas affect
Speaker 1: what you do with Byron Jones going forward? Don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think they have the money to sign all these guys.
Speaker 1: I do. That's what I've been told, Nikki. If they
Speaker 1: may told you different. I think what Bill was referring
Speaker 1: to is next year. Yeah, I was talking about next year.
Speaker 1: I'm talking next year two. I'm talking about next year
Speaker 1: because there's a ramification because they're not going to have
Speaker 1: as much money available next year as they have available
Speaker 1: at twenty four million this year. Well, then that's why
Speaker 1: they need to sign the quarterback now. And you know
Speaker 1: in the wide now counts next year you can't. It's
Speaker 1: not just this year. I understand that projection. I understand
Speaker 1: that that receiver market just got interesting, by the way, ironically,
Speaker 1: with the new guy that Oakland has and what they
Speaker 1: just paid him. So how does that affect you know
Speaker 1: what you gotta pay Amari Cooper coming up? Well, Cooper's
Speaker 1: gonna get seventeen million a year. You try to give
Speaker 1: sixteen to a bad player? What are you going to
Speaker 1: give him? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: where you know where you're at, right, I'm not I
Speaker 1: mean trying to give sixteen million to Sammy Watkins. Come on, Actually,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to get closer twenty million a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all about it. It's all going up. You're right,
Speaker 1: because he can get fourteen this year, so he's not
Speaker 1: going to settle for anything less than that, right, point yep.
Speaker 1: And and the and the the franchise tag next year,
Speaker 1: who would go up to about sixteen or seventeen? So
Speaker 1: he I'm in what all kinds of going numbers are
Speaker 1: out there? So take twenty million, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I understand how things are structured, and you
Speaker 1: can get it. Sure, you give a spot, you give
Speaker 1: m a huge signing bonus and keep his number low, right,
Speaker 1: And that's that's what you have to do. That's how
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. They're gonna do that. Get ready, all
Speaker 1: those guys, all those guys are gonna get dak Zeke,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence. They're all gonna get huge signing bonuses and
Speaker 1: then the numbers. The one thing this owner has is
Speaker 1: deep pockets when it comes to signing bonuses. I know
Speaker 1: it counts for stuff and things like that, but he can.
Speaker 1: He can. He's got other businesses where some of these
Speaker 1: guys don't. He's gonna go from being worth five billion
Speaker 1: to four billion. No, there's a reason why he's a
Speaker 1: billionaire because he can create money. And now inside linebackers
Speaker 1: are getting seventeen million a year. C. J. Mosley just
Speaker 1: got five years eighty five million, seventeen million a years
Speaker 1: the average. So you can worry about Jay Smith. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying is a couple of years from
Speaker 1: down to Jay Smith has entered that market. He's what
Speaker 1: he's restricted next year. Ye you know you take down
Speaker 1: the road you talk about you know Byron Jones. Cornerback
Speaker 1: is a sneaky need for this team. If you look
Speaker 1: at twenty twenty and what they've got. You know, with
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, I think also too with Lewis Woozier, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're up. But Anthony Brown is up. Byron's up.
Speaker 1: Byron's up. Your Cavon in the secondary cavn. Frasier's up. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna bother me. Up, He's up. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not bothering me much. But you got I mean, that's
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's kind of sneaky knee down the road
Speaker 1: if you look at it. And Detroit, Detroit just agreed
Speaker 1: with a nickel back Justin Coleman. Four years, thirty six
Speaker 1: million nickel back must be a pretty patriot connection. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey's not down with all this money flying around. This
Speaker 1: is like paying a second baseman who hits two twenty
Speaker 1: five ten million a year. It's free agency. It's becoming baseball.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is. I don't think anybody is is.
Speaker 1: Maybe the fans are, you know, I applaud what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I would rather draft and sign my own than be
Speaker 1: bad like we were back in the day and sign
Speaker 1: guys that suck. You know, I would, I would, I would.
Speaker 1: I would feel much better about signing Zach Martin's and
Speaker 1: Travis Fredericks and DeMarcus Lawrences and those kind of guys
Speaker 1: then I would the crap that we did back in
Speaker 1: the early two thousand. Well, and typically the teams that
Speaker 1: are doing this, they're doing it because they're trying to
Speaker 1: fill a need they couldn't fill through the draft. That's
Speaker 1: why you're overpaying. And you've got salary cap space because
Speaker 1: you're not resigning your own. So there's a reason for it.
Speaker 1: But and I do think if there's a way there
Speaker 1: is a team that can improve largely from within. Wrote
Speaker 1: about this today on our mail bag, it's this team.
Speaker 1: Because you've got like a dozen or so starters from
Speaker 1: last season, they're twenty five years approve absolutely, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that a lot of that's coaching. You know, you
Speaker 1: got to you gotta help them get to the next step.
Speaker 1: But it's a young it's not like it's a veteran
Speaker 1: team that's kind of topped out what they can be,
Speaker 1: So that that's got to be part of the hope.
Speaker 1: Mickey's the anti fan. He wants to just draft and sign,
Speaker 1: which I don't disagree with. Fan wants to fan wants
Speaker 1: to sign everybody. Fan wants to pay Nickel cornerback thirty
Speaker 1: five million dollars. I kind of see the fans view
Speaker 1: guys because they say, all right, this team got, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna get any better. They got to the second
Speaker 1: round with the guys they have. Yeah, this isn't new.
Speaker 1: These guys aren't new. DeMarcus Lawrence hell of a player,
Speaker 1: he's not new. What else can we do? LA signed
Speaker 1: somebody that the other team didn't want. I get Mickey's
Speaker 1: gonna hate me for saying this, but it might come
Speaker 1: down on the coach. If you feel like your roster
Speaker 1: is really good, this might come down on the coach. Well,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's the decision that they made. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, let's see if the coach can pull
Speaker 1: this thing together. Sign a defensive end for eighty million
Speaker 1: dollars and then two years later, Oh, I gotta trade
Speaker 1: him because I can't deal with that on my cap.
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon, Yeah, everybody wanted Olivier. Now it's because you
Speaker 1: don't have a defensive end. Yeah, we can trade them
Speaker 1: because we can't take that cap charge. They hate Crawford too. Denver.
Speaker 1: Denver signs Keenum to two years thirty six million, two
Speaker 1: years thirty six million, and then we got to trade him. Well,
Speaker 1: how about how about Pittsburgh taking a twenty one million
Speaker 1: dollar hit on Antonio Brown. Yeah, that's unbelievable. That's just
Speaker 1: not the way they do things usually. Crazy. They got caught.
Speaker 1: That's just how bad of a situation it was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: And you're really fortunate in this locker room here at
Speaker 1: the start you don't have that problem that you have
Speaker 1: guys that are just gonna standing out. Maybe this defensive
Speaker 1: end will be a problem if it doesn't get done
Speaker 1: the right way. You know, maybe he's gonna say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I gave you everything I had there for
Speaker 1: all these years. You know, where's the where's the you
Speaker 1: know again, he's looking at a situation where, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe we need to research this a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Cowboys were thinking about him as a defensive
Speaker 1: end when these these other high priced guys are getting
Speaker 1: paid like outside linebackers. Look at Khalil Mack, look at Miller,
Speaker 1: Look at what position they play play linebackers. They just
Speaker 1: restructured his contract too, by the way, Well, hey, they
Speaker 1: flip that mechanism they do with all these contracts. Give
Speaker 1: me ten million, here, give me eleven million. Here, one
Speaker 1: of those things and I put those in this. I
Speaker 1: put to Marcus Lawrence a defensive end, a rush defensive
Speaker 1: end in the same boat as a rush outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: Would you great four defense? But myself I do. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe the put him under those are edge rushes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys don't. Maybe the Cowboys don't feel like
Speaker 1: that that right, that he's the same level as Khalil
Speaker 1: Mac because they play a different position, and I don't
Speaker 1: I would not pay him. What what Khalil Mack's getting? WHOA?
Speaker 1: You just said that? You think I know. I didn't
Speaker 1: say they're the same player. They're the same category a player. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying to Marcus Lawrence is
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. I wouldn't pay Khalil Mac that kind of
Speaker 1: money myself. That's kind of the day and age we
Speaker 1: live in, though, boys, Right, you know it's not agent collusion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's not. This is this is what you know. You
Speaker 1: just pray to God that you take your cap and
Speaker 1: do it the right way, you know. But we talked
Speaker 1: about it last week. Now, Daniel Hunter, what do you
Speaker 1: get He's seventy two million over four years or was
Speaker 1: it five five year? Seventy two million? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a club friendly contract. Right there. And I'm sure the
Speaker 1: Players Association went nuts when he signed that, But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of them probably are Smith. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. Now. Those edge rushers are
Speaker 1: signing for fourteen million a year. Who probably the only
Speaker 1: reason they're getting it is because it's this um the
Speaker 1: time that they're we're in right now where there happened
Speaker 1: to be in an edge rusher class that there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of candidates there. And that's where DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: is right now, where he's the top guy in this
Speaker 1: edge rusher class. And that's that's the quandary that the
Speaker 1: cowboys in de Marcus Lawrence are in right now because Okay,
Speaker 1: he's the top guy, unquestionably, right and so how much
Speaker 1: do you pay him? And that's what his agents think
Speaker 1: right now. Because he's not here, he will not be
Speaker 1: the first one to be signed of the five franchise rushers.
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you that couple those cats might get traded,
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, but they still got to get signed,
Speaker 1: right Well, that's something. Yeah, they can trade him though,
Speaker 1: they can trade him, negotiate with an eighteen and he
Speaker 1: could have signed the tender. Yeah, but again, I mean
Speaker 1: that's how the Mac trade happened, you know. But if
Speaker 1: you're the cowboys, right, can you afford to let this
Speaker 1: dragon in MIDI? Well, does his guy want to sign?
Speaker 1: And what would you would you give up to? Just say? Okay, fine?
Speaker 1: Twenty three million a year? Because that guy is not
Speaker 1: going to be the first one to sign his edge rusher.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that you don't think he wants his money.
Speaker 1: You don't think he wants to get this done unless
Speaker 1: he unless he tells the guy that guy doesn't want
Speaker 1: to get beat on a contract. I get that. But
Speaker 1: what Trey Flowers got seventeen million a year, five years
Speaker 1: eighty five, so out of this class, I believe that's
Speaker 1: the the highest price of the edge rushers right there.
Speaker 1: Seventeen million, So that's the low we've already tendered this
Speaker 1: guy twenty better. That's where you're better start. It starts
Speaker 1: right at five years, one hundred million. Yeah, now he
Speaker 1: might again the guaranteed money, that's a whole other thing
Speaker 1: right there. You know, depends on like I said, I
Speaker 1: think there, I think there's some validity to what I
Speaker 1: was talking about. I mean, you he what position does
Speaker 1: he play. Is he a true? Him? And Hunter to
Speaker 1: me are similar guys right the way they play, you know,
Speaker 1: the way they play. Both play the run, both rush
Speaker 1: the pass, or both get sacks. You know, that's what
Speaker 1: you know. They have very similar numbers in their career.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to guarantee three quarters of the total
Speaker 1: to get him to say, Okay, I won't take as much,
Speaker 1: but if you give me three quarters of it, that's
Speaker 1: seventy five million on one hundred, one hundred million contract. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: back to Notre Dame, didn't he this spring semester and
Speaker 1: finish finish to finish up. I mean, that's one thing
Speaker 1: with football. You can do it because you got you know,
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Speaker 1: to Becky and Magnolia, Texas first up here on talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Hello Becky, Hello, mister Jones. Hello y'all. Guys. Hello, I've
Speaker 1: been listed into YA for years. Thank you. Appreciate all
Speaker 1: the hard work you do. Appreciate that. As far as
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence goes, I love him. He's a great player,
Speaker 1: but he also disappointed with some suspensions. He has to
Speaker 1: remember that. And I listened to Brian the other day.
Speaker 1: You talk about trades. Okay, he's if he wants to
Speaker 1: hold this tape for ransom, which is apparently what they're doing,
Speaker 1: why not trading get something for him. I know it
Speaker 1: won't be an immediate help for whoever we bring in,
Speaker 1: but at least we won't be hamstringing ourselves with that
Speaker 1: salary cap. Hell, we were in for so long. Becky,
Speaker 1: can ask you a question, Yes, sir, Rob, that's Brian.
Speaker 1: That's okay, No, no, no problem, no problem. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like, though, that Lawrence deserves the contract that he's
Speaker 1: seeking though? From all I mean, you know you mentioned
Speaker 1: about the suspensions and stuff like that, but as a fan,
Speaker 1: do you feel like he deserves that? The front off
Speaker 1: should address that if he's reasonable? Yes, okay, right, so
Speaker 1: twenty millions a lot of money? Sure, their idea of
Speaker 1: not much is beyond my scope of thinking. Sure, but
Speaker 1: he's it's a game, right, and they're being played to
Speaker 1: play a game. Sure, and it's entertainment. I understand that
Speaker 1: that's the goring, right, But I mean, and I understand
Speaker 1: he played hurt the last two years, and he played
Speaker 1: hard and he played well, and I want to reward
Speaker 1: people for doing things like that. He's become such a
Speaker 1: fine young leader and I'm proud of him for that,
Speaker 1: But you can't hold up the whole team. It is
Speaker 1: a team sport. Well, thank you. Yeah, no, absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: a good view of it, because most people are saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: pay him, let's get it done. Just keep thinking about
Speaker 1: Anthony Spencer back in the day. Two years in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did that turn out to be? Was that over
Speaker 1: twenty one million dollars for two years and he only
Speaker 1: played one of the years? Well got them at right
Speaker 1: about that? Eleven million kind of a thing the second
Speaker 1: franch in both years. Yeah. Yeah, he never got to
Speaker 1: a long term deal. Never did. You never did. And
Speaker 1: he was another guy who those last couple of years,
Speaker 1: he if you went back and looked at the coaches
Speaker 1: filming on that, he played so hard to Anthony Spencer did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just like de Marcus Lawrence has the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, Cowboys have to do it's best for
Speaker 1: them business wise. Um, but this does concern me. It
Speaker 1: just it just does, because I'm picturing the death situation
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen where Dez didn't need surgery that offseason,
Speaker 1: but it dragged into the summer, it affected his conditioning
Speaker 1: in his training camp and he got hurt. And that
Speaker 1: was a team that was trying to go all in
Speaker 1: and win the Super Bowl that year. And so it's
Speaker 1: a it's a fine line. They're having a walk with
Speaker 1: the situation because they need him. There's no question they
Speaker 1: need him. And the caller Becky mentioned it was Becky, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty million. That is the going rate. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what you're gonna gonna pay him guaranteed for one season
Speaker 1: if you don't get a deal done. Twenty million. So
Speaker 1: you feel better about him than you do a lot
Speaker 1: of other people, though, don't you in regards to paying
Speaker 1: him twenty million dollars? Yeah? Yeah, And you feel like
Speaker 1: if you paid him long term, he might be a
Speaker 1: guy that actually earns the contract. You know, the past
Speaker 1: supposed to being a cap casually in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: there are things out of your control like injuries and stuff. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and he did. He had one suspension, right, Jess, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen mentioned of suspensions and it was one four game
Speaker 1: suspension one twenty sixteen. And if you ask people around
Speaker 1: the team, after that, he dedicated himself to being a
Speaker 1: better leader on the team, you know that he took
Speaker 1: the ownership of that, right. Talking about locker room chemistry,
Speaker 1: what does it do to a locker room when you
Speaker 1: in a case like this, like a DeMarcus Lawrence who's
Speaker 1: got respect from members of the locker room, and you
Speaker 1: don't take care of him and you sign somebody else
Speaker 1: instead from outside? What do you think that does to
Speaker 1: teammates in the locker room when that happens? Or is
Speaker 1: that a concern? You're asking us to play doctor Phil
Speaker 1: And it's only a concern if it involves you, I think.
Speaker 1: But I think in the back of guy's minds, they're
Speaker 1: sitting there going, so what about me? When that comes up?
Speaker 1: Am I doing all this? And then I got to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else? Yeah? I think that first and foremost,
Speaker 1: I think these guys understand it's a business they really
Speaker 1: you know, Becky was talking about its entertainment and on
Speaker 1: I just much you're saying, I was thinking about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder about these actors that get twenty five million,
Speaker 1: thirty million a movie, you know, far less stressful, but
Speaker 1: they get that they're in a part of entertainment. But
Speaker 1: to me, I think the locker room, it's it depends
Speaker 1: a lot on the type of players you have, but
Speaker 1: I think I just think overall coaches, players, they realize that,
Speaker 1: you know, tomorrow is not guaranteed, especially in this in
Speaker 1: this day and age, with the way that the salary
Speaker 1: cap and stuff like that is. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: one bad year and then boom, you're on the street.
Speaker 1: So I applaud them for making as much money as
Speaker 1: they can. But I also feel like though that they
Speaker 1: also know they have jobs to do. That like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: you know, it affects you know, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's a tough thing to have to
Speaker 1: roll with. I don't think you'll see and they step
Speaker 1: up and say, you know, now, you know, you could say, well,
Speaker 1: if they if they you know, if they if they
Speaker 1: cut me or cut somebody else, like cut Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: You know, then you're saying, wow, well, if they're gonna
Speaker 1: cut Dez Bryant, what are they gonna do to me?
Speaker 1: You know, so that maybe can elevate your awareness a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, well, I mean, and there are guys
Speaker 1: on this team they've made clear they want to keep,
Speaker 1: you know, so there is that. I mean, we know
Speaker 1: that dak Amari kind of go down the list, so
Speaker 1: they want to bring that security to a lot of
Speaker 1: these top guys. Just as Lawrence one just has got
Speaker 1: me not confused. But I thought this deal would be
Speaker 1: done by now really did cast you something? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: what we did on the draft show just as an exercise,
Speaker 1: not saying that we were we were just talking about it.
Speaker 1: If it came to that by the time of the draft,
Speaker 1: would you be willing to move on from him that way?
Speaker 1: If you can affect secure a deal, if you can
Speaker 1: secure it, if you can secure a deal for him,
Speaker 1: would you trade not a deal of an extension, not
Speaker 1: an extension. It's you feel like this thing is gonna
Speaker 1: go along again, This is an exercise we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're not We're just talking here. We're not trying to
Speaker 1: immediately say, oh, talking cowboys, just trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of Yeah, for the aggregators out there, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, just for just for that, you know, you
Speaker 1: you seemed the most most well worried about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I want to keep him, I really do, because
Speaker 1: I think their pass rush starts and ends with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with what's going on with Gregory, but
Speaker 1: that's just a defensive line play in general. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: what he does for those guys. M No. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to try to get something done, but I'm
Speaker 1: also trying to project this labor surgery, how many months
Speaker 1: it's going to take him to get ready to play football,
Speaker 1: and I want him a training camp. So I'm holding
Speaker 1: out hope that they can get something done in the
Speaker 1: next couple But said, you're surprised they haven't got something done.
Speaker 1: I thought that it might get done by the March
Speaker 1: fifth franchise tack deadline, and it didn't get done. And
Speaker 1: you know, they made an offer that combine week, and
Speaker 1: they talked a couple of times and it just didn't
Speaker 1: get there. For whatever reason, Nick, I told you the
Speaker 1: reason the agent didn't want to do the deal. We
Speaker 1: want to even want to be first in. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna be. I hadn't thought about that, honestly, I really hadn't,
Speaker 1: because I because Marcus wants to get paid well, Soddes Bryant.
Speaker 1: But when did that deal get done the same time,
Speaker 1: the same time Damarius Thomas's deal got done, same exact deal.
Speaker 1: They got done within twenty four hours of each other.
Speaker 1: Bill you trade, if you, if you if you feel
Speaker 1: like you can't get there, Oh, I got it. I
Speaker 1: gotta figure out how am I replacing a replacing the production.
Speaker 1: That's my issue, and that's the biggest issue I have.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem if if there you you
Speaker 1: see an impass here. As long as you're not, your
Speaker 1: team is just as good, if not hopefully better. Your
Speaker 1: team's probably not gonna be better. Get rid of him.
Speaker 1: But if you say you can add two picks, so
Speaker 1: you can add a first and a second, that first
Speaker 1: better being the top ten, it's probably not gonna be.
Speaker 1: Probably not going to be. Because think about this, they
Speaker 1: were average when he came to sacks this year with him,
Speaker 1: with him, with him, they were average, right and the
Speaker 1: and the guy ranked second with six Gregory is suspended
Speaker 1: indefinitely right now, or the highest value, So you basically
Speaker 1: almost have taken if he's not there, and assuming Gregory,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's almost half of your sacks
Speaker 1: with those two guys. The deal, you're, the best deal
Speaker 1: you're going to cut on something like that is going
Speaker 1: to be after the draft, next year's picks because those picks,
Speaker 1: those draft picks, as you get closer to the draft,
Speaker 1: those those draft picks are more valuable. Yep. And then
Speaker 1: that would go against everything. That's why Khalil Mack they
Speaker 1: got as much as they did. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: they got as much as they did for Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: was because the timing of when that trade took place.
Speaker 1: They would not have got that if it was a
Speaker 1: Draft day trade or you could take a third and
Speaker 1: a fifth. Well, there you go, there's a third and
Speaker 1: a fifth for Antonio Brown. Unbelievable. Well, that's just your
Speaker 1: team wanting to move on, right Yeah, I understand that's
Speaker 1: trade him to a team that probably can't hurt you.
Speaker 1: But you're kind of in that in that boat. If
Speaker 1: if you reach a contract impass with DeMarcus Lawrence, the
Speaker 1: team basically is wanting to move on and trying to
Speaker 1: get as much as they can for them. You know,
Speaker 1: yeah at that point, how did how did the Patriots
Speaker 1: get away with it every year? Is because of Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and the head coach. That's the feedback I get
Speaker 1: on Twitter when I'm just I'm I'm just asking because
Speaker 1: I did it with Chandler Jones exactly. They move on,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I'm surprised that more teams don't
Speaker 1: look at that and say, you know, we're not going
Speaker 1: to pay this guy, but we're just not not just him,
Speaker 1: but any any type of player that they have like that.
Speaker 1: And it's a fascinating way to operate. But you know,
Speaker 1: I guess idiot reaction. Oh they got bell and Jack
Speaker 1: and Brady. We don't have BELLI, Jacko Brady. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but there may be that may be one of the
Speaker 1: reasons Bellichick and Brady are so successful is because they're
Speaker 1: able to all right, instead of having Chandler Jones for
Speaker 1: the last three years, they were able to sign I've
Speaker 1: listed it last. There's no question ten guys and guys
Speaker 1: yeah they have been signed over the last three years
Speaker 1: who have contributed. Who are they weren't signing during the
Speaker 1: legal tampering period. It was a week or two into agency.
Speaker 1: So should you be turning your players into more players?
Speaker 1: Should that be a should question? Well, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not advocating that. I'm just saying, should you
Speaker 1: should you take? If you do, if you're drafting players
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys are instead of resigning them, trading them
Speaker 1: into more commodities, is that is that a better way
Speaker 1: to operate unless you have Unless you have a Breeze,
Speaker 1: a Brady, a Rodgers or somebody like that. I mean
Speaker 1: taking taking to Marcus Lawrence and turning him into three
Speaker 1: players in the top, say, the top fifty nine? Does
Speaker 1: that help your team more? I mean, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm throwing it out there. To Bill's point, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it helps you initially right off the bat, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and and so, and to me that that
Speaker 1: against it goes against this next step philosophy. They're trying
Speaker 1: to get to the super Bowl. Yeah, but the fan
Speaker 1: will tell you by not signing anybody in free agency,
Speaker 1: they're not they're not getting any better. But if I'm
Speaker 1: with you, though, but what the Patriots do is they
Speaker 1: take instead of spending that money on a Chandler Jones
Speaker 1: they're spending it. They were signed a restricted free agent
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan. Okay that year. They I can't remember the
Speaker 1: other names that they've they've signed. You know, they traded
Speaker 1: for Kyle van Noy. They picked up veteran guys who
Speaker 1: they knew would fit their scheme and fit their locker
Speaker 1: room and so forth. And that's why they study. They
Speaker 1: study the draft, and every team does this or needs
Speaker 1: to do this. You study the draft not for just
Speaker 1: that draft, but for when those players might come available
Speaker 1: four years from now or less than that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'll do I'll due respect of the Patriots, they draft well,
Speaker 1: but they draft well in part because they get so
Speaker 1: many picks. You know, they don't hit on all their picks. No, no,
Speaker 1: if you if you look at their picks, they really don't.
Speaker 1: They don't draft well. Imagine if you're the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: you keep and you do draft well, and you keep
Speaker 1: turning your players into kimanis just keep going on and
Speaker 1: on and on. It's that secondary market on free agency
Speaker 1: was where it is where they hit their jackpot. There
Speaker 1: you know, they're filled their deeds and it doesn't and
Speaker 1: it actually doesn't take away from their immediate team Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they're drafting. I mean they're they're getting those
Speaker 1: players for now, you know, and what they can do.
Speaker 1: They've just lost that. They have the two highest paid
Speaker 1: offensive linemen in the last two free agency periods have
Speaker 1: been in New England. It's amazing, both of them. That's why.
Speaker 1: And and and the one guy certainly wasn't worth the money,
Speaker 1: which when Browners sold our Solder and Trent Brown either
Speaker 1: But and there they goes to, we got a great
Speaker 1: offensive line Scronekiah and then they've got and it's that
Speaker 1: quarterback getting rid of the football so quickly. And then
Speaker 1: you know, and it got Trent Brown four year, sixty
Speaker 1: six million or whatever it was, Giant Giant Giants. It
Speaker 1: was terrible. It's hard to use them as a model
Speaker 1: because they're not here. And that is where those who Brady,
Speaker 1: that's where maybe they're just better. Maybe they're just better
Speaker 1: than everybody in the National Football League. The way they
Speaker 1: think that the patients that they play with. You mean,
Speaker 1: they're not interested in signing. I mean, yeah, would you
Speaker 1: talk about having a plan can't play, you can't pay.
Speaker 1: What you can't start doing is paying good players like
Speaker 1: they're generational players, and that's what they do. They have
Speaker 1: good players, but they don't pay them. Is the Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence a generation? Okay? And that's where I was going.
Speaker 1: So for this team, probably so yes, because they've been
Speaker 1: trying to find that guy since where got injured. The
Speaker 1: ward had to play that that seat. So it's been
Speaker 1: almost eight nine years without having that guy your quarterback.
Speaker 1: What do you mean pay him? Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: that you got to pay him like he's worth twenty
Speaker 1: five million a year going right. I know it's the
Speaker 1: going rate. I'm just saying, but did you earn it
Speaker 1: about the Nick Foles contract? Ridiculous? I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: How much? Eighty eight four years, eighty eight million with
Speaker 1: a chance to get it up to one hundred and
Speaker 1: two million? Yeah, going right? Super Bowl MVP jatty two
Speaker 1: to twenty five million a year. And Jacksonville went from
Speaker 1: a AFC championship game to you know, having a bad
Speaker 1: having a bad year, and now you got a coach
Speaker 1: that's kind of you know, in trouble there. So I
Speaker 1: and for a guy that has not played and been
Speaker 1: productive for an entire season, this has got Matt. This
Speaker 1: got some Matt Castle written on it. This guy's what
Speaker 1: a super Bow, But you can't say that. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: say that. But he has been great in that system
Speaker 1: with that coach. Yeah, and so yeah he's gonna go outside.
Speaker 1: But everything outside the system, he hasn't been great. Right,
Speaker 1: he got lucky, he tried to quit, played good against
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I think he got lucky, Mickey, But he
Speaker 1: found the right situation. Yeah, he won a playoff game,
Speaker 1: what was it, fifteen to fourteen? A right way that
Speaker 1: won the super Bowl. I know he's a Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: can't do bad, by the way. Not everything. Don't believe
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Speaker 1: Jake ben Wat chimes in on Tom Brady, Never mind
Speaker 1: the discount. Tom Brady gives that New England franchise a
Speaker 1: contract stamp about ten million dollars worth a discount, right,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Discount. I just saw his thing.
Speaker 1: Just he's gonna rocket, He's gonna sign a new one.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's got another. No discount, Well
Speaker 1: there has been in the past. Well, yeah, because he
Speaker 1: got his money up, it's still count I believe it.
Speaker 1: He still counts like twenty seven million against cap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: though his pay is Oh, we don't have to guess bill,
Speaker 1: let me look it up. Yeah. I think I looked
Speaker 1: it up last week, and no discount. That's that's the
Speaker 1: thing about even guys of his caliber, but Rogers, it's
Speaker 1: like it's a little bit of a burden man to
Speaker 1: have to work around that number. You better draft well
Speaker 1: because if you don't, you're not fielding the right guys
Speaker 1: around him. His base salary was fourteen million dollars. He
Speaker 1: was pro rated twelve million dollars. He's got a one
Speaker 1: million dollars roster bonus. His cap number is twenty seven
Speaker 1: million dollars ago it is what it is. Discount Yeah,
Speaker 1: family dollars story. Yeah, you want to guess who the
Speaker 1: second highest paid players on the Patriots, Um Gilmorehead Gilmore,
Speaker 1: that's right, Stephane Gilmore. Yeah, yeah, fourteen million dollars captain
Speaker 1: on him. There's there. Their salaries are amazing for their guys.
Speaker 1: They're all like seven eight now they did what does
Speaker 1: mccordy Devin mccordy. Devin mccorty is at thirteen for safety
Speaker 1: thirteen there's a safety that they pay thirteen four two. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: high tower, high tower, Billy. You know this team pretty well.
Speaker 1: High towers at ten nine. Yeah, what's birkhead guy? He's
Speaker 1: going to the last year steal Bill. That's a family
Speaker 1: friend for Bill. I'll try. We had him on our
Speaker 1: show the other night. He's got a great by the way,
Speaker 1: for you who live locally here, um, he has a
Speaker 1: great h It's the Team Jack Trifecta coming up on
Speaker 1: April sixth in Plano. It is a five k and
Speaker 1: a youth camp and a three on three basketball tournament
Speaker 1: and it benefit pediatric brain cancer research. You recall he
Speaker 1: a friend of his from his days at Nebraska. They
Speaker 1: won an sp for the story of the kid Jack
Speaker 1: Hoffman at the time he was seven years old and
Speaker 1: in the spring game at Nebraska that he ran for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. And it's just a heartwarming story. And he's
Speaker 1: now thirteen fourteen years old. Jack is and he was
Speaker 1: at the AFC Championship game. He was also at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Anyway, that event is coming up April six.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Rob in Las Vegas. Your next step
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. Rob Hey, you know, out of the
Speaker 1: big four, I call him, you know, dak Is, meet
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Cooper. I think Lawrence is the most unproven.
Speaker 1: I mean, Cooper's first two years with the Raiders was
Speaker 1: really good. And last year if we don't get to
Speaker 1: the playoffs, you know, Zeke is a two time Russian
Speaker 1: Champ's gonna get suspended. Would probably be three for three
Speaker 1: and Dak say, which he does, played a position at
Speaker 1: four and he wins. So when I look at these guys,
Speaker 1: I agree the salary, we lost you and we got
Speaker 1: some breaking news here for me and Rappaport. Yes, Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley Buffalo bills seven point two five million dollars a
Speaker 1: year for four years. There it is. Yeah, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and that whole thing they were unwilling to they agree to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, Yes, the Cowboys run willing to go over
Speaker 1: six million dollars. I was told there they kind of
Speaker 1: kept their number. And all hell Beasley wanted was guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: So that's so that would be four years, twenty nine
Speaker 1: million dollars gold Beasley to be Buffalo Bills. And they
Speaker 1: just signed John Brown as well, three years twenty seven million.
Speaker 1: So there you go. And actually you'll get to play
Speaker 1: third Banana. You get to play him next year then, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: basically let's come back here. Yeah. He wanted to get
Speaker 1: whatever he could get it. Yeah, and he got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cowboy Colboys just didn't want to go over six million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. That's what you get due to math
Speaker 1: on that contract. Then the Cole Beasley, Yeah, what kind
Speaker 1: of math would you like on it? It's seven point
Speaker 1: two five a year. Moving to Buffalo, Okay, all right?
Speaker 1: Paying state income tax? You know, I've never heard anybody,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about state income tax. I've never
Speaker 1: heard a player an agent talk about that. Well, because
Speaker 1: they don't know. I'm just saying though, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that people talk about it as a negotiating until I
Speaker 1: think there are four states in this country that don't
Speaker 1: pay state income tax one of them. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: I never hear an agent talk about that he can
Speaker 1: learn of Texas because where does the agent d C.
Speaker 1: Where does the agent live? Well, that I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that you never you never hear about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it would make sense. But to
Speaker 1: some players. The other thing to make it never was
Speaker 1: going to work out with him. He wanted to be used,
Speaker 1: utilize more. How he just went where John Brown went. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, we no other plans. He just doubled
Speaker 1: his pay. He doubled his pay. His contract was for
Speaker 1: here it was four years, thirteen point six million dollars
Speaker 1: and he just signed for four years twenty nine million.
Speaker 1: More than doubled his pay. He had a four million
Speaker 1: dollars signing bonus, and he was guaranteed seven point three
Speaker 1: on that contract. It's good for him over four years.
Speaker 1: How many years you say it was three four? This
Speaker 1: contract is being reported as four years twenty nine and
Speaker 1: a half. That's all the details we have on it
Speaker 1: right now. Cole Beastly, you know the Buffalo Bills, he
Speaker 1: didn't Josh Allen the quarterback. Yeah, the guy came in
Speaker 1: from SMU, undrafted, all those things. You know, you got
Speaker 1: good years out of him. Thirty years. That's the that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Now you just move on, you know, you
Speaker 1: go and find so Yeah, so you go find a
Speaker 1: guy you're doing. Yeah, you go find a guy, you
Speaker 1: go draft a guy. You know, you got a good
Speaker 1: pro department. They found out the human log for you.
Speaker 1: You know, you trust what they can do. Maybe come
Speaker 1: maybe you got some guys on on on current on
Speaker 1: the roster that could do that money. Randall Cobbs gonna
Speaker 1: get that's a good question there. That is a good
Speaker 1: question for if you did, like a one year deal
Speaker 1: with him something like that, I would kind of like
Speaker 1: what Oakland did with Jordy Nelson. Sure. Sure. At this point,
Speaker 1: the projection would be Hearns in the slot. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: you could play Cooper in the slot too, though. Jerry
Speaker 1: on the bus and Indie talked about how we're gonna
Speaker 1: move him all over the place. You should, you should,
Speaker 1: you should make it very very hard for him to
Speaker 1: for people to cover him, is what you should do.
Speaker 1: And they moved him around some last year. Ye, yeah,
Speaker 1: they did. Um. And by the way, Hearns he's starting
Speaker 1: to work out. Oh yeah, he's out there in the
Speaker 1: captain's days. Yeah, so's he's back on the field running.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have interest in bringing back Tabon Austin.
Speaker 1: I've seen him around the complex a little bit here too. Um,
Speaker 1: now that you've lost Cole one year deal, veteran minimum thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, let him be my returner, let him get
Speaker 1: in camp. Yeah yeah, let him be that guy. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you this. The draft has got guys in there too.
Speaker 1: If you want to sit there and look at you
Speaker 1: got an extra competite story four. You know that'd be
Speaker 1: a good spot to grab one of these kids right there,
Speaker 1: you know, And and to me, you know that's that's
Speaker 1: you know, you got what you had at a Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley congratulations. You know, move on, try and get a
Speaker 1: little bit better there if you can. And you got
Speaker 1: the guy coming off ir right, Um, the wide receiver. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not a slot guy or outside. He's outside and
Speaker 1: playing a little in college, but he's not not that
Speaker 1: shifty guy. Exactly what the guys they have on their
Speaker 1: roster potential slot guys are. Well, you could say Alan
Speaker 1: Hearns would be one guy because you watch Jacksonville. That's
Speaker 1: kind of where you evaluated him right there. You look
Speaker 1: at Cooper would be a guy. What about Lance Lenore?
Speaker 1: Yeah there's another guy, you know, I mean they love
Speaker 1: Lance Lenore. Yeah, maybe he's not. Now Lanceloor practice is
Speaker 1: really good in the game. Sometimes he stinks, so you know,
Speaker 1: we got to figure that out. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I trust me. You listen to the Draft Show on Thursday.
Speaker 1: We talk about slot players all the time, guys that
Speaker 1: can do both because like it, and Isabella is a
Speaker 1: but you think he might be actually fifty eight or yeah?
Speaker 1: Watch him? Why I love I love studying slot guys. Well,
Speaker 1: watch him play against Georgia. He holds the all time
Speaker 1: record against Georgia that they're at Sanford Stadium. If he
Speaker 1: call like fifteen balls in a game, I'm I'm like,
Speaker 1: did he drop one here? It's like no, you know,
Speaker 1: can't do it. A great job of producing on the
Speaker 1: fly right here, that's Andy Isabella right there. Kind of
Speaker 1: a short guy. How high is he gonna go? You
Speaker 1: know you might have to grab this guy at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Now again, would you take a slot player at fifty eight?
Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't. But that's kind of where this is at.
Speaker 1: And like we're talking about a Hearns or a Cooper.
Speaker 1: You don't have to typecast yourself. You can try to
Speaker 1: find out both. If you're If you're gonna take a
Speaker 1: guy wide receiver at fifty eight, I take the Samuel
Speaker 1: Kid Mickey's guy from South Carolina because he could play
Speaker 1: in the slot devot. Mickey's guy should have kept Switzer bottle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a pretty productive sea Pittsburgh. It wasn't bad. Yeh, that's right.
Speaker 1: Johawk Ward's working out though, so we're good. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: That pass rush, that he thing that worked out produced
Speaker 1: you look good. Note tas he looked real good. Was
Speaker 1: all OTAs it was about the pads. So when are
Speaker 1: the Cowboys going to sign somebody? What's what's your over
Speaker 1: under on? When they're going to sign this sweek him
Speaker 1: outside the building this weekend? Yeah, this week in position.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna sign the safety, the safe. I
Speaker 1: think so, whoa, we've saved the best for last year.
Speaker 1: I think this brought us the safety, you know, the
Speaker 1: University of Texas. We live in a day Adrian Phillips,
Speaker 1: but we live in a day and age where you
Speaker 1: know you're you're wrong for ten minutes and then that
Speaker 1: somebody you move on. I'm gonna tweet that Brian brought
Speaker 1: us says this weekend, Earl Thomas, I think what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You have to survive the next couple of days and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna see, You're gonna see you know, you see. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do we need to do to Yeah? And again
Speaker 1: this is I'm just I'm I'm speculating that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: actually want to do this deal. If the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: want to do this deal, I'm gonna look like a fool.
Speaker 1: That's okay. So what kind of money I think they
Speaker 1: they will, They would do it if it was for
Speaker 1: their number, that's exactly. Yeah, I'd say, what do you think?
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't find another landing spot, he's see
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. If you survived the Atlanta thing,
Speaker 1: it give me today, give me tomorrow. By this weekend,
Speaker 1: we very well could be talking about Earl Thomas signing
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys. He needs to. He needs to
Speaker 1: move on a deal though, doesn't even for how much
Speaker 1: month before the chairs run out type thing? Right? Oh no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. He's running out a team, but
Speaker 1: they've run out almost he Okay, if you're Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: and you and you're playing now for and you didn't
Speaker 1: get what you wanted, don't you want to go where
Speaker 1: you would be happy. He's got Chris Rochard here, he
Speaker 1: see you know, he feels like, oh, that's a good
Speaker 1: scheme for me. They'll take care of me. Heck, they
Speaker 1: just did a survey on where agents did a survey
Speaker 1: about where do they want their players to end up?
Speaker 1: You know what the number one team was, Alice was
Speaker 1: the number one team and he just moved. I heard
Speaker 1: Austin Austin, right, Yeah, he's Austin. You know. Let me
Speaker 1: say this again. This is just I think that by
Speaker 1: this weekend, I'm I'll step out on that limb that
Speaker 1: they'll they'll get a real time because I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a place to go. I don't and
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna come hat. Doesn't that scare you? Nah?
Speaker 1: You know what scares me? Nobody else wants him. You
Speaker 1: don't be saying Patrick's Day parade it will be you
Speaker 1: know what. You know what scares me? Nikki is given
Speaker 1: eighty eight million dollars to Nick Foles. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can I can live with paying sixteen to twenty million.
Speaker 1: I can I can live with that. Sixteen to twenty
Speaker 1: million guaranteed two years. I can live with that. You
Speaker 1: gave Cedric Thornton twenty million a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Thank you. How will it be packaged though, I mean,
Speaker 1: what will You're gonna have to probably guarantee it. You
Speaker 1: have to. You can guarantee the whole thing if you want,
Speaker 1: or you can. They talk about injury, you can announce
Speaker 1: it is three years, forty five million, sixty to twenty years.
Speaker 1: There you go, and then and then he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to swallow his pride, you know, or just give him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put up the deal like Tyrn Matthew, three years, forty
Speaker 1: two years. You know, you're not competing against anybody now,
Speaker 1: it's it. It will maybe Atlanta, but he's gonna come
Speaker 1: hat in hand. I'm just shocked by this when Tying
Speaker 1: Tyron Matthew couldn't get a deal last year and then
Speaker 1: he gets this monster deal from Kansas City and Earl's
Speaker 1: still out there, and I'm surprised because of age and injury.
Speaker 1: That's because he wants to be a cowboy. Well that's
Speaker 1: what I said. The teams just as soon. Maybe go
Speaker 1: with me on a signing. I mean, you don't go
Speaker 1: for it. No, no, no, it doesn't be Earl. It
Speaker 1: just could be anybody, anybody out there you like, Well,
Speaker 1: that's the guy I want, Okay, rob Anybuddy, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am. I'm signing Jeremy Parnell. Okay, one year? You
Speaker 1: want Cam flemingback, Mick, No, he doesn't one okay, one year.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad name, by the way. Parnell absolutely good. Okay.
Speaker 1: And jack it was not bad at all. Shouldn't he
Speaker 1: get a lot more than and he got cut? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Then a backup role here. Yeah, he got a pretty
Speaker 1: big deal from Jacksonville. Yeah. Yeah, it got's back when
Speaker 1: they had all kinds of money. Yeah, now they don't
Speaker 1: have Now they don't have any money. Yeah, they needed
Speaker 1: to pay a quarterback. That's my point. Doesn't mean he's
Speaker 1: a bad player. Restraints I am, I'm Mickey, gave Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I just you know what, I just
Speaker 1: think this weekend again, we need to figure out though.
Speaker 1: We need to get Atlanta out of the way and
Speaker 1: make sure that and then and they have Keanuneil Demante Kazi. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Ricardo Allen and Kazi was just he was a
Speaker 1: reason why they lost the other when we played him
Speaker 1: always hurt. Yeah, that's another reason why. Yeah, they just
Speaker 1: need to They just need to structure the contract with
Speaker 1: a lot of incentives in it. If they do it,
Speaker 1: he's play. He's missed nineteen of forty eight. They need
Speaker 1: to do it like they did the Sean Lee contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yes, yeah, but you know those games that he
Speaker 1: does play, he's a badass. Yeah, nineteen nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 1: the last foot for three years, three years, forty eight six,
Speaker 1: Britt Brown, Jim Mara. They'll take care of him. He'll
Speaker 1: be fine. Journalism math, all right, I think we've run
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