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Speaker 1: Like I've seen the ones before you, I'm seeing the

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Speaker 1: how that feel like for me, I said the most

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Speaker 1: how does that feel like when you hear from people

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Speaker 2: I always feel that it doesn't feel right, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I just when I look at my

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Speaker 2: that was because of Again, it wasn't, yeah, I had

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Speaker 3: And just so I don't feel like, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: I feel like, no, it was everybody that was a

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. His first year was my first year, Like,

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Speaker 2: what a blessing to have one coach who demanded everybody

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Speaker 2: And that was you know, twenty three years of playing,

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Speaker 1: It's funny because he thanks all these people.

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Speaker 1: Around being like, I'm the goat. No, definitely, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I watched young Shack highlights and show my kids, and

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Speaker 1: Speaking of kids, how do you explain to the kids

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think somehow we always think like

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Speaker 3: Always something that we learned along the way.

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was a very I loved hard like

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Speaker 3: And I was like, no, I'm playing it just like that.

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Speaker 2: And it was just like it wasn't even like I

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Speaker 3: So it's like I can't take credit for that.

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Speaker 1: So you think you have to have it in. You

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Speaker 1: like I've been knowing you for a long time. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was always in there and then

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Speaker 2: a good shooter, can you get better? Absolutely? If you're

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Speaker 2: you could probably be better and you could be serviceable.

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Speaker 2: then become something different. Like our brains are wired a

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