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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Week one, Zaban Collins

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Speaker 1: and Isaiah Simmons were the two starting inside linebackers. At

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Speaker 1: least that is the expectation and that's not us. That's

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Speaker 1: both the GM and head coach. We ask why and

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Speaker 1: where the risk versus the reward? But first some first

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Speaker 1: impressions of rookie minicamp. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode four,

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Speaker 1: twenty four and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two with Craig Grigolu and Mike JARECKII. Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy Cardinals dot Com

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Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws near site

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Speaker 1: of fitz pot Penis into the endzone for the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So, for the first

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Speaker 1: time since twenty nineteen, there was a rookie mini camp

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Speaker 1: at the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center three days

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Speaker 1: MJ though we got to watch only day one and

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Speaker 1: it was a brief watch. On Friday twenty five, thirty

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Speaker 1: new wide receivers, coach Sean Jefferson running some of his drills.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kingsbury obviously is focused on the offense, but

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Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job going to different groups.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting because he only had two defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: what can happen to Hicks here. But no, I wasn't surprised.

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Speaker 1: it's not my job, I want out. I just don't

427
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Speaker 1: get that sense. A lot of players is like, okay,

428
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Speaker 1: players are drafted every single year, brought in to steal

429
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Speaker 1: someone's job. Yet what do you do if you're that

430
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Speaker 1: person in that job? All Right, I'm gonna work extra hard.

431
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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, take that job away from me,

432
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Speaker 1: come and earn it, which is what Collins has said.

433
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Speaker 1: But that's not we're being told by the general manager

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Speaker 1: and head coach. The writing's on the wall. If I'm

435
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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, They've used two first round picks and back

436
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Speaker 1: to back years to basically replace him. I know the

437
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Speaker 1: one's gonna be a MIC and one's going to be

438
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Speaker 1: obviously another inside linebacker. I wouldn't burgrudge the guy to say, listen,

439
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Speaker 1: if I'm not going to ride the Pine at this

440
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Speaker 1: point in my career, I want to go play somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, Philadelphia immediate soil Zach Hurtz is

442
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Speaker 1: available and you can look at his contract and you know,

443
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Speaker 1: I just think, if you're Jordan Hicks, he's a prideful man.

444
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Speaker 1: He feels like, you know what, I've done a lot

445
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: here now if let's let's bottom line this though. Yes,

446
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Speaker 1: he's played a ton of snaps, a ton of snaps,

447
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Speaker 1: and he's had a ton of tackles, but his grades

448
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: haven't been up to par. I mean he's in fairness

449
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Speaker 1: to him. Again, when you're making a tackle three, four

450
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Speaker 1: or five yards down the line of scrimmage that's on

451
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Speaker 1: the D line, those guys are getting pushed off and

452
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Speaker 1: you don't have a legitimate pass structure versus high energy

453
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Speaker 1: guys you had in Marcus Golden versus Chandler Jones, there's

454
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Speaker 1: a difference. So he feels like there's nothing else I

455
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Speaker 1: could have done. We never had miss Patrick, miss six games,

456
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Speaker 1: Alford hasn't been there, and he's a prideful guy, so

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Speaker 1: I gotta think he feels like he's got something left

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Speaker 1: and if they don't want him, he probably doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to be here. And that's just me connecting dots and

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Speaker 1: I totally accept that. And yes, he's done wonders for

461
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Speaker 1: this defense. But to your points, well, the last two games,

462
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Speaker 1: the defense as a whole did not look good. And

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers game at State Farm Stadium really

464
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Speaker 1: stands out as far as how well the forty Nineers

465
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Speaker 1: were able to rush the football and there was just

466
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Speaker 1: seemed like very little resistance and everyone points to both

467
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Speaker 1: Hicks and Campbell. Yet it just, you know, again, let's

468
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Speaker 1: hope that this works out and what's done is done.

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Speaker 1: It really makes no sense in us, you know. Belaboring

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Speaker 1: the point, I just wanted to get my thoughts out

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Speaker 1: there because I know I'm not alone in my thinking.

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Speaker 1: Yet this is what it is, and I would just

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit more comfortable, much like I would

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Speaker 1: if there was another veteran in that cornerbacks room. Look,

475
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Speaker 1: why in mid May does this decision have to be made?

476
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Speaker 1: And if there was something said behind the scenes Hicks

477
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Speaker 1: or the team or whatever, then that's fine. But I'll

478
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Speaker 1: say this about Jordan Hicks. He came in with a

479
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Speaker 1: lot of baggage as far as not being on the

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Speaker 1: football field, labeled injury prone, and in two seasons he

481
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Speaker 1: has started all thirty two games, played one hundred percent

482
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Speaker 1: of the snaps in twenty nineteen ninety two percent last season.

483
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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph raved about him year in, or say weekend

484
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Speaker 1: and week out as far as being that second coach

485
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Speaker 1: on the field and helped put a lot of the

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Speaker 1: players in twenty nineteen in an early part of twenty

487
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Speaker 1: twenty in their proper position to where maybe maybe he

488
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Speaker 1: didn't grade out as well because he was worried about

489
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Speaker 1: making sure everyone else behind him and in front of

490
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Speaker 1: him where they needed to be. So look, there's a

491
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Speaker 1: reason he was named or voted a team captain this

492
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Speaker 1: past season. It's a very difficult situation in that locker

493
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Speaker 1: room when you lose someone like that. If that is

494
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Speaker 1: the case, I hope that there is some agreement or

495
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Speaker 1: that there is some way to kind of piece this

496
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Speaker 1: back together, because I think the Cardinals are better if

497
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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is on the team and in that linebacker's room.

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Speaker 1: I think what happens at the end of the season, Craig,

499
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Speaker 1: you know, it's the scouting staff, the personnel department, the

500
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Speaker 1: general manager to look at it. Where do we have

501
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Speaker 1: to get better? And then you go to the coaches

502
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and say, you know, give me your wish list, whether

503
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Speaker 1: it's a free agent or the draft. And then but

504
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Speaker 1: that's the general manager's job is to put together the

505
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Speaker 1: best roster. So I don't think it was I'm sure

506
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Speaker 1: Vans would go to bad for him, just based on

507
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Speaker 1: the relationship, and you know they kind of were tied

508
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Speaker 1: at the hip when both they both came in here

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Speaker 1: so after Wilkes, So I just I think it's the

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Speaker 1: coach's hands right now. This is a personnel decision, and

511
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Speaker 1: it's an offseason decision, and that's their job is to

512
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Speaker 1: try to get the roster better. But now Campbell, I

513
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Speaker 1: thought he did a good job on tight ends. You've

514
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Speaker 1: talked about it, you documented it for us. Compared to

515
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Speaker 1: the year before. He took a bad angle on that

516
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: Jeff Wilson run in the against the Niners. Again, Jordan

517
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Speaker 1: Hicks the year before was trying to cover tight ends

518
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Speaker 1: and they gave up seventeen or eighteen. So again, if

519
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Speaker 1: he just goes strictly by the tape, that's why. And

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00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 1: Campbell's still out there and surprising. I don't know if

521
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's waiting, you know, obviously for your

522
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Speaker 1: training camp. He's a veteran guy, he knows a system,

523
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Speaker 1: but I think he'd be a good mentor. So I

524
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Speaker 1: just think that this is an offseason, a decision to

525
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Speaker 1: where they want to get better based on the film.

526
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I thought he brought great leadership,

527
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, thirty two starts, so that's and

528
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Speaker 1: that was a knock in Philadelphia. Could he stay healthy?

529
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Speaker 1: He stayed healthy here. But I just think from a

530
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Speaker 1: pride standpoint, he in anywhere he goes, they're always going

531
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Speaker 1: to be trying to replace you. But if a guy

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Speaker 1: gets goes down in camp, and hopefully it's not what

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, then you know he can come in and

534
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: plug and play. But I think he's probably going to

535
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: be signing one year deals if he goes somewhere else

536
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: and somebody you'll take a fire on him. He's he's

537
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Speaker 1: well respected around the league. You pop on the tape

538
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: from his first year here, it's better than the last

539
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: year's tape. And you got to look at the personnel

540
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: they head around him in the lack of corners. And

541
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Speaker 1: I wonder, because I was talking with someone on Friday,

542
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Speaker 1: that perhaps this conversation is better to have now as

543
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: opposed to the end of August or early September. That

544
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Speaker 1: maybe less disruption if you just say, look, this is

545
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Speaker 1: our plan, this is what we're doing, and if you

546
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: want to be a part of it, great, If not,

547
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: then we'll work to get you to where you want

548
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: to be if we at least owe that to you.

549
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, and maybe it is better to get this

550
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Speaker 1: out now as opposed to later. I understand that thinking

551
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: I just for me, I always want to know what

552
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: plan be is because we can sit here and we

553
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: talk all the time on paper and on paper in

554
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: may never material come September, October, November, December, and January

555
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: when the season is underway, because things happen, things change,

556
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: and knock on wood, nothing changes with regard to inside linebacker.

557
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I want to see how this

558
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Speaker 1: plays out. And I'm just I'm very I'm very hesitant,

559
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Speaker 1: I'm very cautious. I just don't know what to expect,

560
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: and maybe that's you know, not being able to ford

561
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Speaker 1: see into the future and my hesitation to kind of

562
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: be on board with this move, especially not being in

563
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: the room now. If they want to show us what's

564
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: going on, maybe on the next edition of Cardinals Flight Plan,

565
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Speaker 1: which by the way, Bird Gang will debut on Sunday,

566
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Speaker 1: May twenty three. You can watch all Cardinals Flight Plan

567
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Speaker 1: episodes on the Cardinal's official YouTube channel, YouTube dot com

568
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Speaker 1: forward slash Asy Cardinals. Just hit that subscribe button and

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Speaker 1: you'll never miss an episode if we get that at

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Speaker 1: some point this offseason. MJ one, kudos to everyone involved

571
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: for making that public. But two, we would get some answers.

572
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's gonna happen, but we can

573
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: always dare to dream here. No, and I'm gonna go

574
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Speaker 1: Azzie newso Money. They don't play until septemberg true. Now

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Speaker 1: let me give you another hypothetical. So Jordan Hicks is

576
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Speaker 1: in camp and he's getting reps. But now we get

577
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Speaker 1: to the preseason game, he's not playing well because they

578
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Speaker 1: don't want him to get hurt. So, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: just and he would never be the guy that's you know,

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Speaker 1: going to half asset so to speak. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: not that's not as DNA, and I would never say

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Speaker 1: he's an abstraction, but it's a guy that's every time

583
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Speaker 1: that number one defense goes on the field where there's

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Speaker 1: training camp, practice games, he was out there. I just

585
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Speaker 1: think it would be different for him to take that role.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like he's thirty five hanging on. He's

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Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. He'll be thirty. So again, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I have no problem with competition, but it

589
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Speaker 1: appears to me that they've made a decision now based

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Speaker 1: on their draft to draft picks in the first and

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Speaker 1: second round, that these guys are going to play right away.

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Speaker 1: Where you know, we could sit here and talk competition,

593
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Speaker 1: but they're the ones making these decisions, and you knew

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Speaker 1: who it's on. Now it's on the coaches to coach

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Speaker 1: these guys up to get them ready, and it's on

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Speaker 1: the players to try to figure it out on the fly.

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Speaker 1: But now the onus is on the coaches. Your job

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Speaker 1: is to get these guys ready. Yeah, that term slow play,

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Speaker 1: which we used a lot last season to talk about

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, because you had Deveandre Campbell in the fold.

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Speaker 1: No longer applies here in twenty twenty one, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be drinking out of a fire hose if you will,

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Speaker 1: if you're zaving Collins to make sure you're ready Week

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Speaker 1: T I X. All right, so we've had our opinions,

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Speaker 1: we've expressed our viewpoint on all all of this. But

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Speaker 1: to your point, MJ, the decision has been made at

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Speaker 1: least based of what Kingsbury has said. We'll see what

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: the future holds for Jordan Hicks moving forward, but moving

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Speaker 1: forward with Collins and Simmons, as you're two inside linebackers

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00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: the whole two trees in the middle of the field,

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Speaker 1: two really fast trees in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: I am intrigued. I'll say, I hope it works. I

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Speaker 1: hope I'm proven wrong, and my hesitations were all for not.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the athleticism and you hope

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Speaker 1: that Simmons in year two has understood what is expected

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Speaker 1: of him and what to expect in this game. We've

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Speaker 1: all heard about the football IQ of Collins and the

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Speaker 1: fact that he was valedictorian of his high school class

624
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Speaker 1: and really was the anchor of that defense at Tulsa.

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Speaker 1: So you've got two players now that you can use

626
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Speaker 1: a number of different ways as far as attacking the run,

627
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Speaker 1: attacking the quarterback, or in coverage at times. And I

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Speaker 1: am intrigued what you can do based off what we've

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Speaker 1: seen previously with the Seahawks, most recently with the Buccaneers

630
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Speaker 1: as far as inside linebackers really kind of controlling opposing offenses,

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Speaker 1: and that that does excite me. I'm glad you mentioned

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Speaker 1: kJ Wright, who's who happens to be a free agent.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like he's not going to give the Seahawks, you know,

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Speaker 1: discounting them, Bobby Wagner, I mean, he's just looking at

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Speaker 1: our own backyard here. And I mentioned Willison Navrol Bowman.

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Speaker 1: It's been going on for a long time, and again

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to rely on that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt getting to the quarterback tackles for losses going

639
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Speaker 1: to face them, Uh, not as many double teams with

640
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: thirty six percent last year because they had no one

641
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: around him, you know, moo Chandler Jones round a little

642
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: bit again. I'm just gonna have to let I gotta

643
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: trust the coaching staff and you know the fact that

644
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: they do have enough returning starters where there shouldn't be

645
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: a complete overall. Yes, you're gonna have a new corner

646
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and Malcolm Butler. We'll see about Marcus, Marco Wilson and

647
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Tay Gowen, We'll see about the safeties. I like Wiggins.

648
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: I do like, you know, some of the depth after

649
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: Buddha and Thompson twins. So again, linebackers, it's a big

650
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: spot and it's there's gonna be a lot on their

651
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: shoulders and make those calls. But I like I follow

652
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons and I could tell he's motivated to what

653
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: he you know, he got a sniff of it. Obviously.

654
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: We go back to the Seattle game and then the

655
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: fact that he has only sat came against Russell Wilson,

656
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: which is impressive just on paper. Russell Wilson's been in

657
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: Houdini since he'd been in a league sou. I just

658
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: think we've got to be patient, and I know people

659
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: are gonna want to hear that when you're trying to

660
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: win football games and you're seventeen games this year. I mean,

661
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: development should be propractice squad guys. But you know, I

662
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: always say September, and we're probably gonna have to wait

663
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: till fifty percent of the season, so they go into

664
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: the biowee to do a true evaluation and maybe somebody

665
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: else steps up. We don't know that. Well, I'll go

666
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: back to what Kimes said when we were trying to

667
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, comparisons and not based off what

668
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: to expect, but based off what you are coming out

669
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: of college is far as measurables in background, but he

670
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: brought up Bills inside linebacker tremade Enbonds. I've heard Lorenzo Alexander,

671
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: former Cardinals linebacker on ninety eight seven FM Arizona Sports station,

672
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: bring up Edmonds repeatedly. One he was in Buffalo at

673
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: the time. At Edmonds the sixteenth overall pick in twenty eighteen,

674
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Collins the sixteenth overall pick in twenty twenty one. Similar

675
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: size six five two fifty is what Edmonds is listed

676
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: as and that first season he started Week one, he

677
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: was that mike linebacker, played one hundred percent of the snaps.

678
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: It's worked for him. He's been a Pro bowler two

679
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: of the first three seasons of his career. So that

680
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: would be the example, and that would be the comparison,

681
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: the hope, the belief that the Cardinals have in Collins,

682
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: that they have found Tremaine Edmunds, someone who can come

683
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: in out of the gates and be that quarterback of

684
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: the defense. Because it's not like this is something brand new.

685
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: There's at least someone out there that they can point

686
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: to and say, this is who we want you to be,

687
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: Xavin and here is someone that came in and yeah,

688
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot to ask of any young player,

689
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: regardless of position, let alone maybe one of the more

690
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: important positions on the defensive side. When you're getting the

691
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: calls from Vance Joseph or someone and now all of

692
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got to relay it to ten of

693
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: your teammates and then react on the fly at times

694
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: depending on what the offense substitutes or how they break

695
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: the huddle and show what their formation is going to be.

696
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for you know a reason to

697
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: be optimistic that this can work. I'll point to the

698
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. I think you also got to talk about

699
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: what they had on the d line there, you know,

700
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: I want to say, I don't know if from Marcel

701
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Darius was that, but they had a guy named Kyle

702
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Williams and he was a tough soob. And then you

703
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: had Lorenzoel Elexander. So you talk about experience, and Lorenzo's

704
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: more of an outside guy. But we know whether you

705
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: play a three, four or four or three, you still

706
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: put five guys at the line of scrimmage. So he

707
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure he leaned on Lorenzoel Alexander. Why wouldn't you.

708
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: But they did have some big defensive tackles. And they

709
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: also had Jordan Phillips as well, right, and that one

710
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: season in twenty nineteen where he really exploded, and that

711
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: was year two for Edmonds as the mic linebacker. So

712
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: you're right, and maybe that's the hope here with the Cardinals.

713
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 1: You've got JJ Watt and Phillips as your defensive lineman.

714
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: You got Chandler Jones coming back healthy, Buddha Baker on

715
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: the back end. Maybe someone steps up, Maybe Robert Alford

716
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: is healthy. Malcolm Butler, we know what he can do.

717
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: So to your point, maybe yes, the spotlight's going to

718
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: be on Collins, and yes he'll be the one kind

719
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: of directing the traffic. But it's not like Baker, Butler, Jones, Watt,

720
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Phillips don't know what their assignments are and what they're

721
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: supposed to do every time the ball is snapped. And

722
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: they also had Buffalo had your Davis White, I mean

723
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: he was a shutdown corner, you know. And then you

724
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: look at some of their guys in their secondary even

725
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: though we didn't get a chance to see Josh Norman,

726
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: they had a couple of guys on ir COVID. But

727
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: Buffalo that defense, I think they take down the personality

728
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: of the head coach and Leslie Frazier he should be

729
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: getting head coaching opportunities. And Sean McDermott, you know, he's

730
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: still really involved in Brian Dables really the offensive coording

731
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: slash head coach on offense. So they've done a good job.

732
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Beam has done a really good job drafting this year.

733
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: They took two defensive line because they had interested in J. J. Watt.

734
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: But I think that Bill's team is one of the

735
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: better teams in the league, and they've done a good

736
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: job drafting players and coached them up and they've developed

737
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: them really well. And Edmonds is a prime example. And

738
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: we've also heard Bertrand Berry, our colleague on the Red

739
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: Sea Report, talk about how much that transition because Collins

740
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: played the mic in college, and yes, there's a huge

741
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: learning curve. Yet it just might not be as steep

742
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: because it's a position that he's played. And again, this

743
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: is nothing against Zavian Collins. We're still trying to get

744
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: to know him. It's just the hesitation and the reservation about,

745
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, throwing so much on a rookie, why not

746
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: have him earn it. But again that's going back to

747
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: our early talk here on Cardinals or two presented by

748
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. I'll say this

749
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: about Collins, and I think MJ it's worth repeating because

750
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: I would say maybe what half a dozen different times

751
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: when we had the chance to talk with Collins after

752
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: Kingsbury spoke, We tried to get him different media members

753
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: try to get him to talk about being the starter

754
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: and what it's going to be like this offseason, knowing

755
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: you're the guy, and he did not want any part

756
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: of that one He hasn't been told at least that's

757
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: what he said and probably true to some extents, and

758
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: then mentioned that quote that you gave nothing's given. You

759
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: got to earn everything. So that's what I'm trying to do.

760
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: Later said quote, you got to go in every day

761
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: like you're trying to earn your spot, And for me,

762
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't know where my spot is right now, so

763
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: I got to earn it. He's got the perfect mindset,

764
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: and I hope he maintains that all the way through

765
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: this offseason because he does have three months to earn

766
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: that spot, even though right now we all think that,

767
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: at least on paper, it's a spot that we can

768
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: p len Zavian Collins as you're mic linebacker. But I

769
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: like his attitude going into this, and it's almost like

770
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: he's kind of caught into the middle of all of

771
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: this and it's no fault of his own or no

772
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: indictment of his It's just like, we're want this team

773
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: to be successful, and you know, let's again, I'll admit

774
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: later on in September and October, I'll point to this

775
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: show here in mid May and say I was completely

776
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: off base. I'm completely wrong. I got no problem emitting

777
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: my mistakes. I'm just voicing an opinion here. I'll be

778
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: the first to stand up and applaud everyone and say, yeah,

779
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: the correct decision was made. But now we're you know,

780
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: trying to you know, predict the future here, and that's

781
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm falling as we go back, is

782
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: just making sure that everyone and all bases are covered

783
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: here and right now. I do think there's a little

784
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: bit some stuff that's that's not quite all the way covered. Yeah,

785
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: I mean I just look at it. I mean the fact,

786
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, he was asked to have he talked to

787
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks and he said no. Now, if if he

788
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: was drafted in the fourth round, I'm sure Jordan Hicks

789
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: would have welcome to the team. And again, I like

790
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks. Great, he's a professional pros pro. Yeah. Like

791
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: I said, I think they have a plan. They're just

792
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see. Um, you know, bringing

793
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: Dvandry Campbell back to me, I don't He's not the savior.

794
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: And again he took some bad angles on a couple

795
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: of run plays last year where it costs his defense

796
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: should have been a five yard game and became a

797
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: sixty yard game. So it's not like he's a savior.

798
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: But he's got experience. He's not afraid to put his

799
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: face in the fan there, So I gotta think they

800
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: got a plan. And you know, when when I look

801
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: at the you know, melkol Butler, I mean, I think

802
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: he's got more upside than Patrick Peterson. So it's it's

803
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. But one guy that I want to

804
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: talk about real quick is from the rookie class, was

805
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: number ninety two, victor Or d McCage. He looks good

806
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: in that uniform the casts, I mean, guy looks really

807
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: good as Rondel Moore. He's five to seven, five eight,

808
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: but he's cut, but he's representing Bertram Berry. I don't

809
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: want to mention Baron Tanner because he didn't have the

810
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: great body, but man, he fills up that uniform. I

811
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: mean Derek Spencer, who does a great job with our photos.

812
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: I tweeted out a picture of him today. Just look

813
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: at him. I mean he I'm excited about this guy,

814
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know how much they're counting

815
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: on him, but the fact that he can rush the passer.

816
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: That's another body. Nothing against Kennard. I liked the rotation

817
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: until Gardic gets back. But Victor Man he looked a

818
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: part now, I'll tell you he looked good in that

819
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: uniform six two sixty two. Yeah, wearing Bertram Berry's number

820
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: ninety two. And speaking of numbers, number thirty two. Take Gowen,

821
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals new cornerback, and he is very big on

822
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: social media and he's not shy about it. He tweets

823
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: a lot. But something interesting over the weekend. He tweeted

824
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a picture of himself in uniform from over the weekend,

825
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 1: wrote quote number thirty two enough said exclamation point. Well,

826
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: out of all the players to respond to that tweet,

827
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: Tyrann Matthew responded with a handful of fire emojis, to

828
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: which Gawan responded to that quote, I will not let

829
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: you down fingers crossed emoji. So you talk about living

830
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: up to the legacy of numbers, and Gowan understood that

831
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: one number thirty two was assigned to him, going back

832
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: first to Buddha Baker and then previously Tyron Matthew. So yeah,

833
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: numbers do matter in this game, not just stats, but

834
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: what you wear on the front of you of your

835
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: uniform and certainly on the back. And I do like

836
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: what Gowan had to say that, Look, there are some

837
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: lofty expectations that he has of himself. I don't know

838
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: what the expectations are for the fan base, considering when

839
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: you're a Day three selection, usually the expectations aren't nearly

840
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: as high. But he is certainly going to try to

841
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: make a mark for himself and earn one of those

842
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: spots in that cornerback's room, because there are spots to

843
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: be earned at the cornerback. Yeah, I mean, I think

844
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, four and five is wide open. Wouldn't surprise

845
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: us if they try to get a couple of veteran

846
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: guys in here. Yeah, I mean, And yeah, I think

847
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: he was asked why did you pick thirty two? And

848
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: he said, thirty two chose me. And you know, I

849
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: have no problem with the social media, but at some point,

850
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Speaker 1: you know, you got to focus. I know he's trying

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00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: to you know, he's excited, he wants to be a

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00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: fan favorite, he wants to do all the right things.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we're going to judge on what he

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Speaker 1: does on the field. So maybe I get it. He's

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Speaker 1: new and he's excited and it's a new opportunity. It's

856
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: a dream come true. But you know, sometimes we don't

857
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: need to see all those posts and he'll learn that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to begrudge the guy because I

859
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: know you could just see how excite he is. But

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Speaker 1: he's not backing down from where number thirty two, which

861
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: is impressive to me and looking at him during position

862
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: drills working with coach Greg Williams, I mean he does

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Speaker 1: stand out. He's six foot one and looks every bit

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Speaker 1: the part of it. Now he was standing next to

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Speaker 1: the shorter cornerbacks. But Marco Wilson is listed at six

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Speaker 1: feet and we've been told that he can play both

867
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Speaker 1: inside and outside. That's at least they're going to try

868
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: to work him in both positions. But Tay Gowan is

869
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Speaker 1: an outside cornerback because I think they like his size

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Speaker 1: and his physicality. But there is something to be said

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Speaker 1: when you do have that height as a cornerback and

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00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: you can jump, which both Gowan and Wilson ken they've

873
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: shown up their pro days. Because you need to be

874
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: able to stand across the receiver in front of you,

875
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: and there are more and more wide receivers MJ six

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00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: four six five six six. I mean, you know, converted

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00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: tight ends to wide receivers. You know, it's becoming a

878
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: much bigger position, that wide receiver spot, especially on the

879
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: outside and corners you've got to be able to match that.

880
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: And that's what we saw out of this year's draft

881
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: class at the cornerback position. Much taller corners than we've

882
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: seen in previous years. I've never seen it like this correct,

883
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: And maybe it's a case where these guys used to

884
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: be wide receivers and you know, if you can't catch

885
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: and then you go to the other side of the

886
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: ball and you become a I've never seen six foot one,

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00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, two ten arms down to their knees. I mean,

888
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: usually you play offense, and we're starting to see slot

889
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: corners now that are six feet one. So what are

890
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: you saying? When he was standing next to Lorenzo Burns,

891
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: he was a little bit taller because Burns is about

892
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: five nine five ten. Good thing Chase Whittaker wasn't out

893
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: there because he would have looked like he was, you know,

894
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: hanging out with other two U of A guys and

895
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: so anyways, yeah, I mean I'm just excited to see

896
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: what these guys can do. And again, I can't emphasize

897
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: it enough. This is just watching them on the field,

898
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: and then you see videos and pictures and the fact

899
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: that the coaches were founding out there where they won't

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00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: be able to be out there for the next phase

901
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: of a phase two we get the phase three. That's

902
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: when we get to the nitty gritty. OTA's mandatory any camp.

903
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: But I thought it was a good start in first impressions,

904
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: and again I liked a lot of things I saw.

905
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: It was only twenty five or thirty minutes, but you know,

906
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, in training camp, I try to look at

907
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: a position every day and then evaluate things, and here

908
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: I didn't have enough time. But the fact that we're

909
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: what do you say, twenty twenty seven players. Yeah, and

910
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: a couple were on the other side, but I was

911
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: focusing on really all the draft class and then some

912
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: of the undrafted freedes, and then you know, the corners

913
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: of safeties. Obviously, you know when they were doing more

914
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: seven on seven, more like just make sure you're lined up,

915
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: and they would use garbage Kansas defensive linemen just kind

916
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: of know if a guy goes in motion you're supposed

917
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: to pick him up. So I thought it was well

918
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: organized and you could tell this staff has been together

919
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: besides Sean Jefferson. Second question to Kingsbury about rookie mini

920
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: camp just about having players in the building on the

921
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Speaker 1: field quote as a staff were just thrilled end quote,

922
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Speaker 1: and then he went on to talk about a little

923
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: bit more. But the fact that they did not have

924
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: or anyone, no one had this a year ago. Now

925
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's no longer. Yes, there's still

926
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: zoom meetings, but there's there's some there's some visual and

927
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: then there's some literally get your hands dirty, so to speak,

928
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: to be able to move guys around and really show

929
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: as opposed to tell, because you know, I don't know

930
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: about UMG. But I'm a big you know, I can

931
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: learn visually, but I need to go out and do it.

932
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, you can tell me what to do, but

933
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: I also need to be able to do it myself

934
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: to really get the hang of something. Yeah, you know,

935
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: a Cliff, he's he's a ball coach, and what the

936
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Speaker 1: ball coaches we used to when we were in the building,

937
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been back there a couple days

938
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: a week but you know, he's on a different level

939
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: than we are. But he's he he's a junkie when

940
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: it comes to watching film and he's got his he's

941
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: got his new straw hat out there, and you could

942
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: just see he's excited. I think we all know if

943
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: this team is going to make a jump this year,

944
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: it's going to come down to Calin Murray and Cliff Kingsbury.

945
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: And I think Cliff realizes that. I don't know if

946
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of games because if you have

947
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: injuries and you got to evaluate what happened during the season.

948
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: But I think he's much more comfortable in his skin.

949
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's never really gonna will you in a

950
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: press conference, but where yea are getting them a little

951
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: bit longer answers depending on the questions. If he doesn't

952
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: really want to talk about something like the conversation with

953
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: Jordan Hick, then he wants to keep that private, which

954
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: I respect because he is a player's coach. But like

955
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: I said, I like the staff, and now it's a

956
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: matter of these guys being coached up because you know,

957
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: that's what coaching is teaching, and that's where it all starts.

958
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna have the most talent in the world. But

959
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: if you can't be coached up and you're not going

960
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: to you're gonna freelance. You're not gonna make it in

961
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: this league. Now you fast forward to September, we'll actually

962
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: get to chance to see all of this put together

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Speaker 1: on you two Bird gang, as well season and single

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Speaker 1: T I X. Much more on the Cardinals three day

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Speaker 1: Rookie Minicamp a little bit later on our next show,

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Speaker 1: our next episode. But how about we leave this conversation

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00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,959
Speaker 1: on that note as far as talking a lot about

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Speaker 1: the defense, specifically about Zaven Collins. Not only is he

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Speaker 1: a mic linebacker, but he is the starting Mike linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He'll line up next to Isaiah Simmons. On that note,

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Speaker 1: let's put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: presented by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim I'm a hundred

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Speaker 1: for Mike Jareckie, I'm Craig Riel Lou. We'll talk to

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