WEBVTT - The Seven Deadlies: Wrath

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Once again,

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<v Speaker 1>we are waiting through the tournaments of Hell. Here, yes

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<v Speaker 1>we are. We are what six into our seven Sin

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<v Speaker 1>tour we are, and this time we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about something called wrath. Oh yeah, you know it. Ye

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you all have already felt it today. Were for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, we're pretty wrathful people. I mean, not

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<v Speaker 1>just us. I've been talking about in general, we're wrathing

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<v Speaker 1>in general. Um, well, we're just talking about this is

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<v Speaker 1>why we we were both d Yogata lamp it down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>humans are pretty rap. I mean the thing about all

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<v Speaker 1>these senses that they are pretty intense in everybody. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there, That's why there's seven Deadly Sins, because they're

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<v Speaker 1>part of who we are, and from a religious perspective

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<v Speaker 1>that there are things that we want to suppress us

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<v Speaker 1>From just an every day point of view, they're the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of things we want to limit in our daily

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<v Speaker 1>lives because when they get out of whack, they can

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<v Speaker 1>really wreck things up. But then also there's there with

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<v Speaker 1>all of them. There's the question of worth of what

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<v Speaker 1>extent is this actually a virtuous is actually a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing and a necessary part of who we are? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there an upside to anger? Really? Right? But um,

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect that Dante would looked at Wrath with a

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<v Speaker 1>very unkind eye because I was thinking about all these sins.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one that you can, as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>can be really destructive. Yes, And is one is moving

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<v Speaker 1>through Dante's Inferno. And then again this is the medieval

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<v Speaker 1>classic Italian a um writer Dante. And in the tale,

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<v Speaker 1>he's guided by his hero Virgil, who is a spirit

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<v Speaker 1>at this point because Virgil died long before in the

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<v Speaker 1>Divine Comedy, in the Divine Comedy, leading him through hell

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<v Speaker 1>because he has to travel through hell to understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he has to travel through purgatory, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he has to and then he's going to experience heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>But this all starts coming together for Wrath in circle

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<v Speaker 1>five of the Inferno. Interestingly, this is right outside the

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<v Speaker 1>gates of dis okay, the gates of disc Like if

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<v Speaker 1>you think of Dante's Inferno, it's like a big pit.

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<v Speaker 1>At the bottom of the pit is the devil and

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<v Speaker 1>then scaling up the sides of this pit are all

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<v Speaker 1>these various circles, and it's like dis like to somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>And the walls of discs are imagine a circular wall

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<v Speaker 1>that is about you know, maybe not quite halfway but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a third of the way down into this pit

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<v Speaker 1>that in theory would I guess keep everything else from

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<v Speaker 1>coming back up. This is like the bureaucracy of Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>and it separates the upper hell from the lower hells.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that there's bureaucracy in Hell. Yeah, you know what's

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<v Speaker 1>telling those is that Dante positions wrath just outside those gates.

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<v Speaker 1>You go in the gates, you're gonna start getting into

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<v Speaker 1>what was in Dante's mind and in many medieval commentator's

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<v Speaker 1>minds more grievous sins such as such as violence. That's

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<v Speaker 1>worth noting, and violence may stem from from wrath in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases, but violence is dealt with in the lower hells,

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<v Speaker 1>as are the more terrible things such as treachery, heresy.

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<v Speaker 1>So wrath is on the cusp of you know, abstraction

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<v Speaker 1>and then actual action. Right. And what's interesting too about

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<v Speaker 1>the way that Dante deals with wrath is in this

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<v Speaker 1>circle he includes both wrath and sullenness. Okay, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you might imagine, just stereotypically, you might have drunken jocks

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<v Speaker 1>picking fights and bars like those guys are here, as

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<v Speaker 1>are the sullen goths who just felt sorry for themselves. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, um, he views it as to these is

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<v Speaker 1>two forms of the same sin. Okay, just the great

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<v Speaker 1>unifier to apparently, right, Like, it all comes down to anger,

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<v Speaker 1>and in wrath, anger is expressed. It's like I'm feeling angry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna punch something, right, I'm feeling angry, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>yell at something and feel like angry, I'm gonna smoke

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<v Speaker 1>a cliff cigarette. Yes, well, well that's that's the other side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is the sullenness. That's where anger is repressed. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Some scholars argue that that that really Dante is dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with sloth to a certain extent in the sullenness. But overall,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a circle in which the passions of sorrow

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<v Speaker 1>and grief end up ruling the soul. All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>what does it look like when we visit this particular circle.

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<v Speaker 1>We find ourselves encountering a muddy swamp Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the river sticks, and there's stick fog rolling across the surface,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dante and and Virgil are road across this by flegus,

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<v Speaker 1>not to be confused with Charon or to your own,

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<v Speaker 1>who rode them across the acorn on the very outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>of help. Okay, so there's a different dude. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>only rolling across this mucky, slimy, awful swamp like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't help it, think the bogga maternal stink from from labyrinth,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And as you look down into the swamp,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, you see bubbles rising up. And the

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<v Speaker 1>bubbles are rising from the sullen. They are sunken down

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to the bottom of the They're just

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<v Speaker 1>buried in the slime at the bottom of the river,

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the swamp. They're chanting their sticks of

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<v Speaker 1>singing mock hymns down there. So that's where the sullen are.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that sulfuric bubbles are like bubbling up from from

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<v Speaker 1>all of their pouting right right there. They're drowning down there,

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<v Speaker 1>Bubbles rising up for the slight in life. They refuse

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome the light of God, the light of sun.

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritual awakenness into their life. So in death they're buried forever,

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<v Speaker 1>gargling and endless hymn. So that's the sulent more of

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<v Speaker 1>interest to us, and are the purely wrathful and they

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<v Speaker 1>they'll you'll find them at the surface of the water

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling with each other. So just imagine these naked forms

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<v Speaker 1>driving in the slime like pigs and filth. They're punching

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<v Speaker 1>each other, they're gouging, their clawing, they're biting, and not

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<v Speaker 1>just each other, but some of them are biting themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>They're carrying at their own flesh like a really dark

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<v Speaker 1>Abercrombie and Fitch commercial. Yeah, I guess, I guess. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>their shirtless. Yeah, they tend to be naked in the

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<v Speaker 1>artistic interpretations, then this is This is also interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>Dante ends up seeing somebody he knows, this guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Felippo Argentie, and Dante ends up encountering various people that

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<v Speaker 1>he knew in life. That's what a recurring theme and inferno,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also a means by which he typical pay

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<v Speaker 1>either show some sympathy for the center or some understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the scent, and also identifies it in himself. There

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<v Speaker 1>are various debates on who Argentie actually was. There's one

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<v Speaker 1>account that it because Dante was banned from Florence at

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<v Speaker 1>one point, lost his property, and spent the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>his life wishing he could return to Florence. And so

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<v Speaker 1>one idea is that Argentie was somebody who ended up

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<v Speaker 1>purchasing land that had belonged to Dante's family after he

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<v Speaker 1>was driven out, So he, you know, he may have

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<v Speaker 1>had a personal acts to grind here with this individual,

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<v Speaker 1>because Dante sees him, He's like, yeah, I hate that dude.

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<v Speaker 1>I really would like to see him dunked under these

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<v Speaker 1>waters before we're done here, in verticals like yeah, just wait,

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<v Speaker 1>it will happen. And and then the guy like he

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<v Speaker 1>sort of crawls up onto the boat and talks to

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<v Speaker 1>Dante a little bit, but then the other people in

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<v Speaker 1>the swamp end up tearing him apart to this Argentine character.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you not cross Dante's what I'm hearing? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but see, but Dante was feeling wrath himself, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this is how he he summons the emotion inside himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He's even as he's seeing in this in the torments

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<v Speaker 1>around him. So, so that's pretty much the inferno version

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<v Speaker 1>of wrath. In purgatory, the souls purge themselves of wrath

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<v Speaker 1>and in a slightly different manner. And again purgatory, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the amount of purgatory that rises from Earth to heaven,

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<v Speaker 1>that connects Earth to heaven, and it's when Dante eventually

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<v Speaker 1>emerges from Hell. He has to climb this mountain up

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<v Speaker 1>to the terrestrial paradise and then into Heaven. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you find yourself on the terrace where wrath is dealt with,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find that these individuals walking through bick smoke that's

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<v Speaker 1>darker than the night, and they can't see the outside world.

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<v Speaker 1>They're experiencing hallucinatory visions in which they see examples of meekness,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the virtue that is opposite wrath. So you

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<v Speaker 1>see this idea of in purgatory working through wrath. Is

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<v Speaker 1>wrath is this thing that clouds our judgment and clouds

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<v Speaker 1>our views of the world. And I think that's such

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<v Speaker 1>an apt description because when you lose yourself to anger,

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<v Speaker 1>that is exactly what it feels like, right. You cannot

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<v Speaker 1>think clearly. All of a sudden you have trapped yourself

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<v Speaker 1>into a corner in the situation and you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of it. Yeah, it's especially obvious after the

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<v Speaker 1>fact with with you know, the little things that inspire

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<v Speaker 1>our rat you know, we're like, oh, well, this totally

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<v Speaker 1>messed with my schedule today, and now I'm mad, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then you feel afterwards, you're you know, hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have any amount of self consciousness about what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing and how your mind works, you look back

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, wow, that was that was ridiculous? Why

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<v Speaker 1>was that upset? But of course in the worst cases,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it just completely. I mean, we end up

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<v Speaker 1>polking out right, we end up harming things in the

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<v Speaker 1>world around us, exactly. Let me hit Buddhism real quick

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<v Speaker 1>before we move into the science though. I mentioned before

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<v Speaker 1>how you have the wheel of stam Sara. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the wheel of life though that you see especially in

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<v Speaker 1>too Betan Buddhism, which shows all the various realms of

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<v Speaker 1>existence in which a life may be born, which you

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<v Speaker 1>can think of in terms of one life to the next,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was bad in this life, so in my

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<v Speaker 1>next life, I'm occupying a harsher existence, or oh I

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<v Speaker 1>was good in this life next life is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be better, or you can think of it in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of my emotional state right now is this, and based

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<v Speaker 1>on this emotional state, my next emotional state will be

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<v Speaker 1>something else, you know. So it's like one state and

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<v Speaker 1>form and the other are to were consciousness evolves. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the very center of this wheel you find these

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<v Speaker 1>three poisons which I touched on before. You have a snake,

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<v Speaker 1>a pig, and a cock. The snake represents hate wrath,

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<v Speaker 1>the other the pig is like delusion and ignorance, and

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<v Speaker 1>the cock is greed that sometimes less, but the snake

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<v Speaker 1>is hate. And that's where we find the center of

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<v Speaker 1>wrath that's moving the whole wheel. That's just full of suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the realms into which one may be reincarnated,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are also in the realms that are in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with the way humans feel in the state of

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<v Speaker 1>our own souls. You have the Nakara realm, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the hell realm, the realm that's more typical of

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<v Speaker 1>something you would see in Dante, full of hatred and

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<v Speaker 1>torment and demons. The hell being was ripping people apart,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, and that's in the lower realms

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<v Speaker 1>but then in the higher realms you see the Ashera realm,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the room of the Demi gods, powerful beings,

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<v Speaker 1>but despite their power, despite their freedom, they're not in

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<v Speaker 1>the chains of Nakara. They're living it up. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>one step below the gods. But they're defined by anger,

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<v Speaker 1>They're defined by jealousy and war, and they end up

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<v Speaker 1>wasting all this freedom and opportunity being on the pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of power. So when they ultimately die, they live long lives,

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<v Speaker 1>but they eventually do die. Then they're born down into

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<v Speaker 1>the lower realms. So you see this interesting extaposition of

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<v Speaker 1>the two states of being. And then of course there's

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<v Speaker 1>the human realm in there, which is a balance of

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<v Speaker 1>all these various realms, so you've also have plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>wrath there as well. Yeah. I think it's interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>the snake is the symbol of that because it is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you know that you think about the snake

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<v Speaker 1>swallowing itself. I think actually there's a medieval name for this.

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<v Speaker 1>It has various names. I can't remember the one you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of off hand, where the snake is biting its

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<v Speaker 1>own tail, consuming his own tail. Yeah, yeah, and you

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<v Speaker 1>get into you know, ideas of the world serpent, the

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the organmender. But you know, there's this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you're inflicting hurt upon yourself, right, and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting now to take that knowledge and turn it

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<v Speaker 1>over to what's happening in your brain. Yes, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>suffering about of anger, I guess you could say, oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to point out that eld dope does not

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<v Speaker 1>show up on the scene here. Yeah, it's been with

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<v Speaker 1>us for so long that I thought for sure that

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<v Speaker 1>it would be prominent in this, but it is not.

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<v Speaker 1>It is really a story about the amygdala. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's it's probably it's there in the cocktail somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not playing. No, you're right, you're right. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's a it's a base note, or maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>should say it's a top note. It's a fruity top

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<v Speaker 1>note for some people. And we'll talk about that a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. But yeah, it's a story about the amygdala,

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<v Speaker 1>which helps us to process emotion. We've talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit before, and in the case of anger,

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<v Speaker 1>it works in tandem with a number of biological responses,

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<v Speaker 1>including the release of adrenaline. So it kind of makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense for it because whenever you've experienced anger wrath, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you've had a moment where you just felt

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<v Speaker 1>a surge of energy. Is that tension energy? That's because

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<v Speaker 1>when we get angry within a quarter of a second,

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<v Speaker 1>and magdala can serve up an action inspired by wrath

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<v Speaker 1>if if it weren't for the frontal lobe, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of our seat of reason in this area

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<v Speaker 1>of our brain also experiences a flow of blood and

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to sit there and kind of way the situation

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<v Speaker 1>and the response and altogether this process can take just

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<v Speaker 1>two seconds, right, So if there's a trigger that makes

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<v Speaker 1>you angry, just within two seconds, you could be serving

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<v Speaker 1>up a punch or you could be trying to restrain yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is really why people often say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>count to ten if you're angry, Yeah, because it gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a chance to kind of pull your adrenaline addled

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<v Speaker 1>self together. Yeah. Or if you're one thing that I've

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<v Speaker 1>practiced in the past and also told other people, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you have that angry email you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to send a go ahead and write the the email.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't put the two in the field though, Yeah, don't

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<v Speaker 1>put the two in the field. Maybe just write it

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<v Speaker 1>in the text document, then shut it down and let

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<v Speaker 1>it sit for a while. Industry, Like the next day

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<v Speaker 1>you could go back to that and be like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>that was just a fool's errand right there. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>what was I What was I doing with that? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't help but think of it in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>like the amigdala in the frontal lobe is like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The amigoala is kind of like the you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>know the classic image of the devil on one shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>and the angel on the other. Instead, they'll imagine like

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<v Speaker 1>a pro wrestler on one shoulder and a and like

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<v Speaker 1>a Buddhist monk on the other, and the pro wrestler

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<v Speaker 1>is the end of the emotional amigdola, and it's it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>go out there, do it, do it, get angry, don't

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<v Speaker 1>take this stuff off anybody, punch right, angry emails, stop around,

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<v Speaker 1>huff and puff. And then on the other side you

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<v Speaker 1>you have the Buddhist monk, and the Bodhist monk is like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's chill it out, Let's think a lot ofically. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>think calmly about this. But you have to depend on

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<v Speaker 1>that monk having enough energy to put up with the enigdolla,

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes the enigola is going to be all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it, let's crack some heads, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>monks like, you know, I'm done, I'm gonna beat here. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, And there's a there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things that could actually weaken your inner monk response. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I really like this idea of both of them,

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<v Speaker 1>that the monk of the wrestlers are both wearing robes

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<v Speaker 1>in my version that I see on your on your

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders right now. But a couple of circumstances. One is

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<v Speaker 1>you could have sustained damage to your frontal lobe, like

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<v Speaker 1>our poor friend Phineas Gauge. Right, this is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who in nineteen was working on the railroad and when

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<v Speaker 1>he was excavating rock, and he was tamping gunpowder down

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<v Speaker 1>in its drill hole, and there was an ax a

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<v Speaker 1>little explosion which caused the tamping iron he was using

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<v Speaker 1>to thrust itself through his left cheek and out his skull, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like out his like completely through his head and then

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<v Speaker 1>in the air on the other side they basically gave

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<v Speaker 1>him the frontal of botomy. Yeah. Yeah, and he survived it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what happens he became childlike and became bullying, and

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<v Speaker 1>he started to use profanity. Again. This is so this

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<v Speaker 1>guy went from mild manner to like crazy town and

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<v Speaker 1>in a very short amount of time. And they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand enough about the brain at the time to really

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<v Speaker 1>attribute that to his accident. Yeah. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to hear more about gauge and and

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<v Speaker 1>other things of this nature, we did a podcast to

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<v Speaker 1>Change your Mind the Hard Way where we dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>some of some of these things. Another circumstance is sarotonin.

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<v Speaker 1>You serotonin levels. There was a study conducted by the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Cambridge and this was actually reported in a

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<v Speaker 1>Science Daily article. They talked about healthy volunteers and what

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<v Speaker 1>they did is they took these healthy volunteers and altered

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<v Speaker 1>their serotonin levels by manip pulating their diet. Because we

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<v Speaker 1>know that your diet can affect the serotonin levels in

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<v Speaker 1>your brain and make you, you know, really sort of

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<v Speaker 1>regulate your mood. Yeah, there's certain foods are gonna behind serotonin.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've ever been to a health food store

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<v Speaker 1>and look around it supplements. There obviously a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>serotonin supplements that are aimed at helping you out with

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<v Speaker 1>your serotonin level. And you know, we've talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>in the past two especially with our podcast on decision fatigue.

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<v Speaker 1>Just make sure that you're good enough to eat, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the day, because that really does affect your ability

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<v Speaker 1>to regulate your moods. You are what you eat video,

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<v Speaker 1>so are what you think. So the two come together.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, mind to think. That's on my bumper sticker

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<v Speaker 1>on my car. So okay. What they did they manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>their diets. On the serotonin depletion day, the volunteers were

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<v Speaker 1>given a mixture of amino acids that lacked tripped a fin,

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<v Speaker 1>the building block for serotonin, and on the placebo day,

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<v Speaker 1>they were given the same mixture but with a normal

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<v Speaker 1>amount of tripped de fan okay okay. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>researchers scan the volunteers brains using fmr I and as

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<v Speaker 1>the volunteers viewed faces with angry, sad, and neutral expressions,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they were able to measure how different regions

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<v Speaker 1>reacted and communicated with one another. When the volunteers viewed

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<v Speaker 1>the angry faces as supposed to the sad or neutral faces.

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<v Speaker 1>So the research revealed that low brain serotonin and make

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<v Speaker 1>communications between specific brain regions. We're talking again about the

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<v Speaker 1>magdala and frontal lobe much weaker. And the finding exactly

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that when our serotonin levels are low and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>really much more difficult for the prefrontal cortex to control

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<v Speaker 1>emotional responses to anger. I mean, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>a this kind of a dumb moment. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, it's like, yeah, you know what, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was angry, I was really hungry, and I was tired,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was hungry. Uh, so it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 1>the serotonal levels could affect our mood like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>to put it back in terms of the pro wrestler

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<v Speaker 1>and the monk on your shoulders, in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>Phineas Gauge, the monk was just completely taken out, yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>by by a rod. In the case of the serotonin issue,

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<v Speaker 1>the individual hasn't had enough to eat or for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>the serotonin level has dropped and so has the communication

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<v Speaker 1>between the two. So the pro wrestlers on one shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>saying let's do it, let's go out there and let's

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<v Speaker 1>kick some butt. I'm not gonna take this anymore. How

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<v Speaker 1>dare they do this to me? And the monk is

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<v Speaker 1>is like yelling across a chasm here um and saying saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>calm down, calm down, and the pross was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>what's he talking about? And then launches back and well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing too. Let's say that you are a

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<v Speaker 1>person who has two pro wrestlers on your shoulder. In

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<v Speaker 1>other awards, you are prone to be more aggressive and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore more prone to anger. Your communications between your MICHAELA

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<v Speaker 1>in your preferntial cortex are going to be weekend regardless.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you have the depletion, it's much more pronounced.

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<v Speaker 1>What's interesting about this and I was reading this experiment

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<v Speaker 1>as well, where they then they referred to them as

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<v Speaker 1>short fusers and the Brewders. So the short fusers, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the guy was like, Oh, you took me off. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna punch somebody in the face. Yeah, And then you

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<v Speaker 1>have the brooders who are like, oh, that person really

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<v Speaker 1>made me mad. I'm gonna pretty much be musable the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the day, which brings me back to thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about Dante with the sullen and the wrathful. So I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if you could, if you could look at the

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<v Speaker 1>short fusers are the ones tearing each other up and

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<v Speaker 1>punching everyone in the face on the surface of sticks

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<v Speaker 1>the river sticks, And then the brooders are the sullen

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<v Speaker 1>buried in the muck at the bottom, gargling their hymns

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<v Speaker 1>into the flying Yeah, the powders just need to meditate,

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<v Speaker 1>and the short fusers just need a sandwich because really there, yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but really, if you are a short fused person, you

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<v Speaker 1>really are much more sensitive to your serotonin levels, is

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<v Speaker 1>what this is spelling out. So it is very important

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get that sandwich in your belly. Really again,

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<v Speaker 1>to simplify it. In fact, they've been experiments where if

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<v Speaker 1>you actually look at the brain and you you scan

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<v Speaker 1>it and and you see what's lighting up during these moments

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<v Speaker 1>of wrath or when there's some sort of stimuli that

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<v Speaker 1>provokes wrath, you can see that the difference between short

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<v Speaker 1>fusers and brooders and seconds. The medial prefrontal cortex associated

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<v Speaker 1>with self awareness and emotional regulation quickly lights up with

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<v Speaker 1>the broods, and so does the hippocampus involved in memory.

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<v Speaker 1>So as they fume, people repeatedly relive the events in

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<v Speaker 1>their minds. It's like they're chewing over that thing that

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<v Speaker 1>made them mad. They're continually tweaking that story in their

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<v Speaker 1>head about that thing that happened to them that was

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<v Speaker 1>sucky and now they're mad. So anger can be so fleeting, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be such a flash, like how long is

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<v Speaker 1>this taking? This whole process, this just taking seconds. They

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<v Speaker 1>found in this experience that the degree of hippocampal activation

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<v Speaker 1>predicted how much people tended to ruminate. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually see, depending on what the hippocampus is doing, you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell how much they're brooding on the anger. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>imagining a little sign on the fMRI I that shows

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<v Speaker 1>need sandwich, and it's just like flashing over the prefrontal cortex. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna take a quick break, but when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we're going to talk about whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>you could be attracted to anger. All right, we're back,

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<v Speaker 1>so wrap to what extent is it? Is it attractive?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's I mean not so much. Usually people

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<v Speaker 1>go out of their way to avoid people who are angry, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's often referred to as as showing ones.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, more or less they're like, I really

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<v Speaker 1>showed his butt on that one, right, but they did

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<v Speaker 1>not have to say Bobby, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's generally like they let wrath take control of them

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<v Speaker 1>and they really kind of look like a fool for it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, no their emotional address, you knew where they live. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you think of wrath, and you think of

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<v Speaker 1>so many there's so many things in our culture where

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<v Speaker 1>wrath is celebrated. It generally it involves creating a fictional

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<v Speaker 1>or just creating even real world circumstances that allow the

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<v Speaker 1>wrath to manifest in a way that is either acceptable

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<v Speaker 1>or relatable. Um for instance, Incredible Hulk. You know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an example where a mild manner, Bruce Banner, he's

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<v Speaker 1>getting kicked around and then the rage gets ahold of him, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he turns into Holk and starts kicking. But or

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<v Speaker 1>just any masculine testosterone fueled action flick where the baddies

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<v Speaker 1>are bad and so our hero is even badder and

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<v Speaker 1>starts just wailing on people, you know, Bruce Lee type stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We do get something out of that. There's something appealing

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<v Speaker 1>about that I'm on various levels. I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 1>break it down to the viewer of some of some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of film like this. They have issues in their

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<v Speaker 1>life that they would on some level like to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to deal with in a direct manner. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to watch something or play a game in

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<v Speaker 1>which somebody deals with their problems with direct violence. Well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And there are some people who do bait other people

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<v Speaker 1>in order to raise their hackles, right and get a

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<v Speaker 1>little charge of anger, because they're interested in provocation, right

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<v Speaker 1>and getting into a fight. Yeah, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting because I think we've all done this,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe not all, but most of us. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've felt this at one point or another where

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<v Speaker 1>you're not necessarily like a complete bully or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>like nothing like really heinous, But were you just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of poking at somebody just to get like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the little things that might annoy your significant other, and

0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.119
<v Speaker 1>if the mood is right, you might just prime a

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<v Speaker 1>little to see of it. Okay. So could it be

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<v Speaker 1>that on that day you war, testosterone levels were higher

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<v Speaker 1>than they usually were, right, This is for both men

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<v Speaker 1>and women. University of Michigan Psychology study found that some

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<v Speaker 1>people find angry expressions rewarding well, and they they actually

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<v Speaker 1>interpreted as rewarding. Tesascer and levels were actually measured in

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<v Speaker 1>a group via saliva samples. And then this group was

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<v Speaker 1>asked to work on a learning task that involved a

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<v Speaker 1>flash of images, some with angry faces, some with neutral faces,

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and some images containing absolutely no faces, and the images

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.200
<v Speaker 1>flashed by so quickly that the participants weren't really able

0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to detect a pattern. In fact, though this task if

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 1>they were working on, was really to gauge whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not they could subliminally work out a pattern, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was found that men and women with high testosterone levels

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<v Speaker 1>learned the sequence of keypresses better when the sequence was

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<v Speaker 1>followed by an angry face. And the conclusion is that

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<v Speaker 1>the anger expressions were rewarding to the brain and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why they had a better memory of this. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That finds me of this article we're looking at from

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<v Speaker 1>Wired that was talking about the Steve Jobs. Yeah, it

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>was like the mobile meat portions of the original the

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 1>first iPhone came out. iPhone comes out, everyone loves it,

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.200
<v Speaker 1>but mobile meat doesn't work. I mean, they's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, on par with blackberries applications, and you

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 1>know it's supposed to actually fill that need. It was

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 1>an important part of the product. And Jobs was notoriously perfectionist.

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.120
<v Speaker 1>He had a certain vision. He wanted to see that

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that vision brought to life. And he was known for

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.919
<v Speaker 1>having steam coming out of all the time. Right, and

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>interestingly enough, he practiced Buddhism. I know, I was just

0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that too. Yeah, but I mean he probably

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:37.920
<v Speaker 1>realized that, hey, I need to I mean he I

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 1>understand he did realize, and maybe his anger needs to

0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>be be treated in some parts of my life, but

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe not when it came to mobile meat not working,

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>because he got he lined everybody up, got him into

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<v Speaker 1>the theater there and just continued to like lay into

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<v Speaker 1>him for I think for like a solid hour, just

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.119
<v Speaker 1>thrashed them, I mean not physically, but just let him

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<v Speaker 1>have it. Told them that they should all hate each

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<v Speaker 1>other for for what had happened and they had brought

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.959
<v Speaker 1>dishonor to the brand, like basically telling them that they

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 1>are the beings and the river sticks and the should

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 1>just tear each other apart because they well and they

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 1>should commit you know, mental Harry carry you know, but yeah,

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean here's a good example of I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the ultimately, it's the kind of like negative feedback that

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 1>we all rail against whenever we encounter even like a

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 1>little bit of it, you know, I mean, nobody likes

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>to be in trouble. Nobody likes a working environment where

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>somebody's on your case for something. It makes you angry,

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 1>It makes you, you know, it makes you so, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes you kind of hate your job. But some of

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence lines up to support the idea that it

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 1>also inspires you on some level. But it did it

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Actually you're angry, sure, but then you're you're committed to

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<v Speaker 1>to getting it done. Okay. So to that end, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to read this quote from the co author of

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Michigan Angry Faces study because I think

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<v Speaker 1>of Steve Jobs now. He says, quote, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>striking that an angry facial expression is consciously valued as

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<v Speaker 1>a very negative signal by almost everyone, yet at a

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.400
<v Speaker 1>nonconscious level and be like a tasty morsel that some

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 1>people will vigorously work for. So I don't know, maybe

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>there were people on jobs as team who actually responded

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to that well, I mean, the thing could be he

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.400
<v Speaker 1>knew his team, well yeah, and he knew that these

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 1>are guys that will respond and got yeah, well I'm

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.920
<v Speaker 1>am using guys in the gender news. These are guys

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 1>who who realized, see, now you're irritated about that. I saw.

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not irritated. I'm I'm actually amused. Okay, But maybe yeah,

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 1>he realized that this is a crowd that is stimulated

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 1>by that, and a wired writer or somebody commenting on

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the outside or they're not a part of that group,

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>and maybe they're more of a positive reinforcement environment. Like like,

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it's easy for us to comment on that because because

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're at house. Stuff works. Aside from

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the days where Jerry comes to the halls with a

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>bull like physically with a bullphip and and hits everybody.

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Aside from those days, Matt just gives us the occasional

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 1>dressing down just for fun. Aside from that, it's a

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty prett pretty positive place to work. It's more about

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<v Speaker 1>positively enforcement brainstorming that kind of thing. Brainstorming, of course,

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>well in our mother environment where they're no wrong answers,

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 1>there are no bad ideas in brainstorming. Though I have

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>heard a few. Yeah, and in our mother company, Discovery,

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's all about you know, everybody wearing

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.919
<v Speaker 1>the lovey dovey pants. Yeah, it's pretty nice. I mean

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>to get some more love pants because I I split

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.640
<v Speaker 1>them the other day. Yeah. In fact, didn't we got

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 1>something about a flash momb here occurrence happening because anyway,

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if that was actually happening or that

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<v Speaker 1>was an example. I think that's an example of things

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>that can happen during a brainstorm. Um So anyway, that

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 1>is another story for another time. But let's talk about

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>when you are in a chronic state of anger. Okay,

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>so you're in jobs as team and let's just assume

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 1>that all the time it's all anger, because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be, of course, but you do encounter people

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<v Speaker 1>like this. We're like, man, they are angry all the time.

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.719
<v Speaker 1>They're just constantly fuming over every little or big thing

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>in their life. Yeah, well, there's the state of response

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>can start to take a toll and you obviously, chronically

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 1>angry people may not produce enough actal col hopefully I've

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>said that right, a hormone which tempers the more severe

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 1>effects of adrenaline. And their nervous system is constantly working

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and can eventually become over taxed, leading to a weakened

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>heart and stiffer arteries. Yeah. This incidentally was the first

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>neurotransmitter discovered, isolated one by a German biologists Atto Loewie,

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 1>who would later win the Nobel Prize for his work. Yeah,

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's really important because there's all sorts of potential

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 1>for damage not just the heart, but the liver and

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the kidney as well as having high cholesterol. Yeah, it's

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>responsible for much of the stimulation of muscles, including muscles

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>in the gas from intestinal set system. And it's also

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.439
<v Speaker 1>found in sensory neurons and in the autonomic nervous system.

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 1>So it's a it's a part of scheduling even rim sleep.

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So okay. Yeah, and if you think we're kidding about this,

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 1>just pull out one more stat um. And the two

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>thousand and one study of thirteen thousand subjects, people with

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the highest levels of anger had twice the risk of

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<v Speaker 1>coronary artery disease and three times the risk of heart

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>attack as compared to the subjects with the lowest levels

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>of anger. See this makes it even harder for me

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to watch Lewis Black these days, you know. Really the

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>whole stick is like I'm so angry at these things

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>in the world that you're not right. It's a great bit.

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>He's a great talented comedian, but as he gets older

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>for me to watch him on the Daily Show, because

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is not good for your health, Lewis,

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>you gotta you gotta chill out, Like I mean, maybe too.

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a lot about Louis Black, so so

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe to a large extent, is an act. I mean,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 1>he said he's a professional, but I feel like he

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>is summoning some real anger when performing, and I would

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>just I don't want to watch him keel over. Okay, So,

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.120
<v Speaker 1>assuming he's not in that state all the time, he's

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 1>just kind of doing it as part of his stick,

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>it actually could be an upside for him, Okay, okay,

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>So and actually for all of us there could be

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>an upside for anger. Again, assuming that this is not

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>something that we're playing into and playing into the destructive

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>violent forces. I mean, there's a way to actually be

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>constructively angry. Yes, yeah, what they found some folks who

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>like to poke around and studies actually researchers, mathish bos

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Carsten did Drew, and Bernard nishtad Uh. They publish the

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 1>results in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology found that

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>participants who are made to feel angry and then we're

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>asked to brainstorm exhibited key hallmarks of creative brainstorming, including

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>unstructured thinking, and in a comparison to their counterparts identified

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>as sad or neutral people, the very angry participants came

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>up with more ideas as well as more original ideas.

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>And now this was a short lived window, right liked

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't sustain this. Obviously, they couldn't sustain their anger

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>as well, which was a good thing. But right after

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they were made to feel a bit of wrath, their

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>brain was basically kind of unfettered and not thinking systematically.

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And this is where people think that anger could be

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>really helpful, because you are getting that surge of adrenaline

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and you do become laser focused in the way that

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you want to remove an obstacle, or you're sitting there

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>saying how could this be? How can I make this better?

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 1>And if you actually point that anger the solution rather

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>than say the person or the thing, you could make

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>some headway and be really productive I believe the same

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>study or maybe this is a different one that was

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about how sadness sullenness if you will, can also

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>have you know, it's bad in the short term, but

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>in the long term it can also it also leads

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>to increased creativity, increased drive in your work. Yeah, with

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>some of this too that people who may be depressed,

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>although um, and we've talked about this, it can hamper

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>creativity at points, but there's some of this is tied

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to self actualization or being able to see yourself in

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 1>a realistic light and then be able to deal with

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>obstacles in a long term way because you're not at

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>that that very moment sort of fooling yourself into like

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I can do this, right, I don't know. It's a

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit of depressing way to put it, but well,

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of most guys anyway, really love the

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>first one or two Batman movies, right, the films not

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>based some of the ladies, some of the ladies, my

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>wife doesn't like them. But but these are very much

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>a product of a time during which in the United

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>States have the Bush administration, which, being a conservative administration,

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<v Speaker 1>was generally by and large and not as popular with

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the with liberal artistic types. Um. And then you have

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>you have war, you have economic downturn. Well that economic

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>downturn really comes after the Bush administration. But but the

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>same area, you have a lot of negative things going on.

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>But if you see the art that rises up out

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of these these issues, out of this paint, I guess

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like a nice Well, it sucks that

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>there was a big war, it sucks that it lasted forever,

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>but but hey, we got some cool art about out

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>of it. Right Well, I think what you're saying is

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 1>that anger. Anger is mobilizing forces to get out there,

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>think creatively and say something. Well, and I was thinking

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>about that in terms of protests too. I mean, there's

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a point where protests are really productive, right, and then

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a point where they can become very destructive for

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, devolve. So you're saying you don't have high

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>hopes for the third Batman movie from Christopher Nolan. No,

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that, done well,

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>anger can be really helpful, right Well, but again you

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>have to bring a bit of mental energy to it

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>to say, how am I reacting to this at this

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>very moment. And that's where that ten second cooling off

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>period is really important, because if you just let that

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>two seconds rule you, you you know, you can get a

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>hammer to the head. Yeah, I mean, if you look

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>back and just think about it evolutionary, you can imagine

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>this primitive human out on the prehistoric planes. He's killed

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a deer or something, right, and then there's this other

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>dude coming along. It's gonna try and eat his deer.

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>That raises his hackles. He's like, who's this guy think?

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>He is trying to steal my dear flank out from underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that anger can be used to mobilize him

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<v Speaker 1>to fight for and keep what he's his and what

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<v Speaker 1>his survival depends on. And although he's not quite that

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated yet, one day he will use that wonderful neo

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<v Speaker 1>cortex and he'll work out his problems via communication words

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<v Speaker 1>um in a way that he can say, let's not

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<v Speaker 1>fight about this, let's let's come to the logical conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>about whose flesh this is? Okay? Right? That person will

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<v Speaker 1>redirect his anger into a productive way. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>look like you're not buying No, No, I'm buying it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm buying it completely. I mean, I think the interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing about Rath, like all of these sins, really is

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a level where it makes sense and

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<v Speaker 1>in the motivating force in life, and then there's that

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<v Speaker 1>tipping point where it becomes something horrible and to be avoided.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it maybe it seems like with

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<v Speaker 1>Wrath that the tipping point occurs a little sooner. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>it does. Yeah, I mean there are levels of Vancor

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<v Speaker 1>right now. So there you have it. Again. This is

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<v Speaker 1>just one episode in a series, so as you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, feel free to go back and explore our

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<v Speaker 1>previous five episodes. And there's also a good chance that

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to this in the future. Well you're obviously

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it in the future, so the final episode

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<v Speaker 1>on Sloth may also be out as well by the

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<v Speaker 1>time you hear this. All right, let's call the robot

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<v Speaker 1>over and read a quick listener mail. What have you

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<v Speaker 1>got for us? All right? This one comes to us

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<v Speaker 1>from Michael. Michael writes in in response to our episode

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<v Speaker 1>Stindall Syndrome kicked in the brain by Art, He says,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea this was a thing. A few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. When I was in college studying design, my

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<v Speaker 1>art history class went to the TUT exhibit. I was

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<v Speaker 1>walking through, rousing at the pieces, disappointed that Tut wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even there, when suddenly I felt the stamp that is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be And then suddenly I felt a hand shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>h When suddenly I felt the need to stop and

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<v Speaker 1>look up. I saw the crook and flail on display.

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<v Speaker 1>I lost my breath. The room's fun and all of

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<v Speaker 1>the commotion disappeared. It felt like I was hallucinating. I

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<v Speaker 1>swear that I was looking up at the at a

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<v Speaker 1>pharaoh holding them uh and these, of course those two instruments.

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<v Speaker 1>At a pharaoh mummified, they hold the crossocrounds their chest.

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<v Speaker 1>I was completely paralyzed for what seemed to be hours,

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<v Speaker 1>until someone bumped into me. It was really crowded. It

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<v Speaker 1>was then that I realized how old and beautiful the

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<v Speaker 1>crook and flail were that I was looking at. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so very overwhelming. I had forgotten about my childhood

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<v Speaker 1>love of all things Egyptian. I didn't want to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the room. I wanted to get closer, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>too many people. I nearly cried at the side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am not the overly emotive type wild stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the great episode I listened to each and everyone. Cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's an awesome description of what Stenhell syndrome is, right. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed that podcast how they are a number of

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<v Speaker 1>different things informing. It's not something where it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something broken in my brain and makes art pound

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<v Speaker 1>me whenever I look at it, but like, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>great example of someone who came into the exhibit with

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<v Speaker 1>certain expectations, certain expectations, but also this hast, this emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>emotional past with the subject matter, and then they're standing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of it. This thing that maybe existed only

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<v Speaker 1>in their mind before is manifest before them and it's

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<v Speaker 1>ancient and it's beautiful, and it just overwhelms them. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was just thinking that this reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of an article that was recently published in New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times called The Thin Places, or I think that's an

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<v Speaker 1>approximation of the title, but it talks about how when

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<v Speaker 1>we go on vacations, we go it doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a vacation, be a park, it could be a

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<v Speaker 1>special place, but it's perspective changing and they call it

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<v Speaker 1>the thin place because it occupies a place between earth

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<v Speaker 1>and heaven. So it's like the places where reality grows

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<v Speaker 1>at them and yes, pushes in on yes, and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes you outside of yourself. Yeah uh so, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's just one of the things that a museum can

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<v Speaker 1>do to your brain, right, Yeah, Well, it reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>in our Scott Baker's fantasy. It looks there are these

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<v Speaker 1>places that are basically the thin places. But the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing about that is that madness can set them from

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<v Speaker 1>the outside. So well it seems to fall right in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we encount of these thin places where art can effect

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<v Speaker 1>us and can maybe drive us a little temporarily. Matt, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like Jill Bolt Taylor who had the stroke and

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<v Speaker 1>she started to see her own molecules melding with with

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<v Speaker 1>her environment. You know, I mean not it's not fed extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's sort of a metaphor for what's happening. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, but that's awesome. Thanks for sharing that

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<v Speaker 1>with a Sydney. Maybe it was the emails from Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's signs Sydney, So Michael Slash Sydney, thanks for sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we loved here from anyone else who's had an

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<v Speaker 1>experience like that, with something with art, with history, et

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<v Speaker 1>cetera that they've encountered, and likewise, let us know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're experienced with wrath is, how do you deal with

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<v Speaker 1>it in your daily lives, how do you experience it

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<v Speaker 1>in other people? And how do you mitigate it? To

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<v Speaker 1>what extent does wrath actually inspire you to great things?

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