1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Once again, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: we are waiting through the tournaments of Hell. Here, yes 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: we are. We are what six into our seven Sin 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: tour we are, and this time we're going to talk 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: about something called wrath. Oh yeah, you know it. Ye 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: maybe you all have already felt it today. Were for 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: the most part, we're pretty wrathful people. I mean, not 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: just us. I've been talking about in general, we're wrathing 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: in general. Um, well, we're just talking about this is 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: why we we were both d Yogata lamp it down. Yeah, 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: humans are pretty rap. I mean the thing about all 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: these senses that they are pretty intense in everybody. I 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: mean there, That's why there's seven Deadly Sins, because they're 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: part of who we are, and from a religious perspective 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: that there are things that we want to suppress us 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: From just an every day point of view, they're the 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of things we want to limit in our daily 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: lives because when they get out of whack, they can 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: really wreck things up. But then also there's there with 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: all of them. There's the question of worth of what 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: extent is this actually a virtuous is actually a good 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: thing and a necessary part of who we are? Right? 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Is there an upside to anger? Really? Right? But um, 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: I suspect that Dante would looked at Wrath with a 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: very unkind eye because I was thinking about all these sins. 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: This is one that you can, as you pointed out, 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: can be really destructive. Yes, And is one is moving 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: through Dante's Inferno. And then again this is the medieval 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: classic Italian a um writer Dante. And in the tale, 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: he's guided by his hero Virgil, who is a spirit 33 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: at this point because Virgil died long before in the 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: Divine Comedy, in the Divine Comedy, leading him through hell 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: because he has to travel through hell to understand it, 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: and then he has to travel through purgatory, and then 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: he has to and then he's going to experience heaven. 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: But this all starts coming together for Wrath in circle 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: five of the Inferno. Interestingly, this is right outside the 40 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: gates of dis okay, the gates of disc Like if 41 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: you think of Dante's Inferno, it's like a big pit. 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: At the bottom of the pit is the devil and 43 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: then scaling up the sides of this pit are all 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: these various circles, and it's like dis like to somebody. 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: And the walls of discs are imagine a circular wall 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: that is about you know, maybe not quite halfway but 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: maybe a third of the way down into this pit 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: that in theory would I guess keep everything else from 49 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: coming back up. This is like the bureaucracy of Hell, 50 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: and it separates the upper hell from the lower hells. 51 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: Know that there's bureaucracy in Hell. Yeah, you know what's 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: telling those is that Dante positions wrath just outside those gates. 53 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: You go in the gates, you're gonna start getting into 54 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: what was in Dante's mind and in many medieval commentator's 55 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: minds more grievous sins such as such as violence. That's 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: worth noting, and violence may stem from from wrath in 57 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: many cases, but violence is dealt with in the lower hells, 58 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: as are the more terrible things such as treachery, heresy. 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: So wrath is on the cusp of you know, abstraction 60 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: and then actual action. Right. And what's interesting too about 61 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: the way that Dante deals with wrath is in this 62 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: circle he includes both wrath and sullenness. Okay, okay, so 63 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: you might imagine, just stereotypically, you might have drunken jocks 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: picking fights and bars like those guys are here, as 65 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: are the sullen goths who just felt sorry for themselves. Okay, 66 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: you know, um, he views it as to these is 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: two forms of the same sin. Okay, just the great 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: unifier to apparently, right, Like, it all comes down to anger, 69 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: and in wrath, anger is expressed. It's like I'm feeling angry, 70 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna punch something, right, I'm feeling angry, I'm gonna 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: yell at something and feel like angry, I'm gonna smoke 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: a cliff cigarette. Yes, well, well that's that's the other side. Yeah, 73 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: because that is the sullenness. That's where anger is repressed. Um. 74 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: Some scholars argue that that that really Dante is dealing 75 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: with sloth to a certain extent in the sullenness. But overall, 76 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: this is a circle in which the passions of sorrow 77 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: and grief end up ruling the soul. All right, So 78 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: what does it look like when we visit this particular circle. 79 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: We find ourselves encountering a muddy swamp Okay, this is 80 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: the river sticks, and there's stick fog rolling across the surface, 81 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: and Dante and and Virgil are road across this by flegus, 82 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: not to be confused with Charon or to your own, 83 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: who rode them across the acorn on the very outskirts 84 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: of help. Okay, so there's a different dude. So they're 85 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: only rolling across this mucky, slimy, awful swamp like I 86 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: can't help it, think the bogga maternal stink from from labyrinth, 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: you know. And as you look down into the swamp, 88 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: first of all, you see bubbles rising up. And the 89 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: bubbles are rising from the sullen. They are sunken down 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: all the way to the bottom of the They're just 91 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: buried in the slime at the bottom of the river, 92 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: the bottom of the swamp. They're chanting their sticks of 93 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: singing mock hymns down there. So that's where the sullen are. 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: Like that sulfuric bubbles are like bubbling up from from 95 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: all of their pouting right right there. They're drowning down there, 96 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: Bubbles rising up for the slight in life. They refuse 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: to welcome the light of God, the light of sun. 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: Spiritual awakenness into their life. So in death they're buried forever, 99 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: gargling and endless hymn. So that's the sulent more of 100 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: interest to us, and are the purely wrathful and they 101 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: they'll you'll find them at the surface of the water 102 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: wrestling with each other. So just imagine these naked forms 103 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: driving in the slime like pigs and filth. They're punching 104 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: each other, they're gouging, their clawing, they're biting, and not 105 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: just each other, but some of them are biting themselves. 106 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: They're carrying at their own flesh like a really dark 107 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Abercrombie and Fitch commercial. Yeah, I guess, I guess. Imagine 108 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: their shirtless. Yeah, they tend to be naked in the 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: artistic interpretations, then this is This is also interesting because 110 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: Dante ends up seeing somebody he knows, this guy named 111 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: Felippo Argentie, and Dante ends up encountering various people that 112 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: he knew in life. That's what a recurring theme and inferno, 113 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: and it's also a means by which he typical pay 114 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: either show some sympathy for the center or some understanding 115 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: of the scent, and also identifies it in himself. There 116 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: are various debates on who Argentie actually was. There's one 117 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: account that it because Dante was banned from Florence at 118 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: one point, lost his property, and spent the rest of 119 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: his life wishing he could return to Florence. And so 120 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: one idea is that Argentie was somebody who ended up 121 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: purchasing land that had belonged to Dante's family after he 122 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: was driven out, So he, you know, he may have 123 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: had a personal acts to grind here with this individual, 124 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: because Dante sees him, He's like, yeah, I hate that dude. 125 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: I really would like to see him dunked under these 126 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: waters before we're done here, in verticals like yeah, just wait, 127 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: it will happen. And and then the guy like he 128 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: sort of crawls up onto the boat and talks to 129 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Dante a little bit, but then the other people in 130 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: the swamp end up tearing him apart to this Argentine character. 131 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: So do you not cross Dante's what I'm hearing? Yeah, 132 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: but see, but Dante was feeling wrath himself, and so 133 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: this is how he he summons the emotion inside himself. 134 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: He's even as he's seeing in this in the torments 135 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: around him. So, so that's pretty much the inferno version 136 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: of wrath. In purgatory, the souls purge themselves of wrath 137 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: and in a slightly different manner. And again purgatory, this 138 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: is the amount of purgatory that rises from Earth to heaven, 139 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: that connects Earth to heaven, and it's when Dante eventually 140 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: emerges from Hell. He has to climb this mountain up 141 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: to the terrestrial paradise and then into Heaven. So if 142 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: you find yourself on the terrace where wrath is dealt with, 143 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: you'll find that these individuals walking through bick smoke that's 144 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: darker than the night, and they can't see the outside world. 145 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: They're experiencing hallucinatory visions in which they see examples of meekness, 146 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: which is the virtue that is opposite wrath. So you 147 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: see this idea of in purgatory working through wrath. Is 148 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: wrath is this thing that clouds our judgment and clouds 149 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: our views of the world. And I think that's such 150 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: an apt description because when you lose yourself to anger, 151 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: that is exactly what it feels like, right. You cannot 152 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: think clearly. All of a sudden you have trapped yourself 153 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: into a corner in the situation and you're trying to 154 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: get out of it. Yeah, it's especially obvious after the 155 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: fact with with you know, the little things that inspire 156 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: our rat you know, we're like, oh, well, this totally 157 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: messed with my schedule today, and now I'm mad, you know. 158 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: And then and then you feel afterwards, you're you know, hopefully, 159 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: if you have any amount of self consciousness about what 160 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: you're doing and how your mind works, you look back 161 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, that was that was ridiculous? Why 162 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: was that upset? But of course in the worst cases, 163 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: you know, it just completely. I mean, we end up 164 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: polking out right, we end up harming things in the 165 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: world around us, exactly. Let me hit Buddhism real quick 166 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: before we move into the science though. I mentioned before 167 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: how you have the wheel of stam Sara. This is 168 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: the wheel of life though that you see especially in 169 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: too Betan Buddhism, which shows all the various realms of 170 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: existence in which a life may be born, which you 171 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: can think of in terms of one life to the next, 172 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: like I was bad in this life, so in my 173 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: next life, I'm occupying a harsher existence, or oh I 174 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: was good in this life next life is going to 175 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: be better, or you can think of it in terms 176 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: of my emotional state right now is this, and based 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: on this emotional state, my next emotional state will be 178 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: something else, you know. So it's like one state and 179 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: form and the other are to were consciousness evolves. But 180 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: at the very center of this wheel you find these 181 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: three poisons which I touched on before. You have a snake, 182 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: a pig, and a cock. The snake represents hate wrath, 183 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: the other the pig is like delusion and ignorance, and 184 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: the cock is greed that sometimes less, but the snake 185 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: is hate. And that's where we find the center of 186 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: wrath that's moving the whole wheel. That's just full of suffering. 187 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: As far as the realms into which one may be reincarnated, 188 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: and these are also in the realms that are in 189 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: touch with the way humans feel in the state of 190 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: our own souls. You have the Nakara realm, and this 191 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: is the hell realm, the realm that's more typical of 192 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: something you would see in Dante, full of hatred and 193 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: torment and demons. The hell being was ripping people apart, 194 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and that's in the lower realms 195 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: but then in the higher realms you see the Ashera realm, 196 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: and this is the room of the Demi gods, powerful beings, 197 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: but despite their power, despite their freedom, they're not in 198 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: the chains of Nakara. They're living it up. They're just 199 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: one step below the gods. But they're defined by anger, 200 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: They're defined by jealousy and war, and they end up 201 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: wasting all this freedom and opportunity being on the pursuit 202 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: of power. So when they ultimately die, they live long lives, 203 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: but they eventually do die. Then they're born down into 204 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: the lower realms. So you see this interesting extaposition of 205 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: the two states of being. And then of course there's 206 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: the human realm in there, which is a balance of 207 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: all these various realms, so you've also have plenty of 208 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: wrath there as well. Yeah. I think it's interesting that 209 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: the snake is the symbol of that because it is 210 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: sort of you know that you think about the snake 211 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: swallowing itself. I think actually there's a medieval name for this. 212 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: It has various names. I can't remember the one you're 213 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: thinking of off hand, where the snake is biting its 214 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: own tail, consuming his own tail. Yeah, yeah, and you 215 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: get into you know, ideas of the world serpent, the 216 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: exactly the organmender. But you know, there's this idea that 217 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: you're inflicting hurt upon yourself, right, and so I think 218 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: it's interesting now to take that knowledge and turn it 219 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: over to what's happening in your brain. Yes, when you're 220 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: suffering about of anger, I guess you could say, oddly enough, 221 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: I want to point out that eld dope does not 222 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: show up on the scene here. Yeah, it's been with 223 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: us for so long that I thought for sure that 224 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: it would be prominent in this, but it is not. 225 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: It is really a story about the amygdala. Well, I 226 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: mean it's it's probably it's there in the cocktail somewhere, 227 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: but it's not playing. No, you're right, you're right. It's 228 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: just it's a it's a base note, or maybe I 229 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: should say it's a top note. It's a fruity top 230 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: note for some people. And we'll talk about that a 231 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: little bit. But yeah, it's a story about the amygdala, 232 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: which helps us to process emotion. We've talked about this 233 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: quite a bit before, and in the case of anger, 234 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: it works in tandem with a number of biological responses, 235 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: including the release of adrenaline. So it kind of makes 236 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: sense for it because whenever you've experienced anger wrath, I'm 237 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: sure that you've had a moment where you just felt 238 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: a surge of energy. Is that tension energy? That's because 239 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: when we get angry within a quarter of a second, 240 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: and magdala can serve up an action inspired by wrath 241 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: if if it weren't for the frontal lobe, because this 242 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: is sort of our seat of reason in this area 243 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: of our brain also experiences a flow of blood and 244 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: attempt to sit there and kind of way the situation 245 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: and the response and altogether this process can take just 246 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: two seconds, right, So if there's a trigger that makes 247 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: you angry, just within two seconds, you could be serving 248 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: up a punch or you could be trying to restrain yourself. 249 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: And this is really why people often say, you know, 250 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: count to ten if you're angry, Yeah, because it gives 251 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: you a chance to kind of pull your adrenaline addled 252 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: self together. Yeah. Or if you're one thing that I've 253 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: practiced in the past and also told other people, it's like, 254 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: if you if you have that angry email you really 255 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: want to send a go ahead and write the the email. 256 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Don't put the two in the field though, Yeah, don't 257 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: put the two in the field. Maybe just write it 258 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: in the text document, then shut it down and let 259 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: it sit for a while. Industry, Like the next day 260 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: you could go back to that and be like, oh man, 261 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: that was just a fool's errand right there. Yeah, well 262 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: what was I What was I doing with that? Yeah? Yeah, 263 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: I can't help but think of it in terms of 264 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: like the amigdala in the frontal lobe is like that. 265 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: The amigoala is kind of like the you know, you 266 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: know the classic image of the devil on one shoulder 267 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: and the angel on the other. Instead, they'll imagine like 268 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: a pro wrestler on one shoulder and a and like 269 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: a Buddhist monk on the other, and the pro wrestler 270 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: is the end of the emotional amigdola, and it's it's like, 271 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: go out there, do it, do it, get angry, don't 272 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: take this stuff off anybody, punch right, angry emails, stop around, 273 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: huff and puff. And then on the other side you 274 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: you have the Buddhist monk, and the Bodhist monk is like, 275 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: let's chill it out, Let's think a lot ofically. Let's 276 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: think calmly about this. But you have to depend on 277 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: that monk having enough energy to put up with the enigdolla, 278 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: because sometimes the enigola is going to be all right, 279 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: let's do it, let's crack some heads, and then the 280 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: monks like, you know, I'm done, I'm gonna beat here. Well, 281 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: you know what, And there's a there's a couple of 282 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: things that could actually weaken your inner monk response. By 283 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: the way, I really like this idea of both of them, 284 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: that the monk of the wrestlers are both wearing robes 285 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: in my version that I see on your on your 286 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: shoulders right now. But a couple of circumstances. One is 287 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: you could have sustained damage to your frontal lobe, like 288 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: our poor friend Phineas Gauge. Right, this is a guy 289 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: who in nineteen was working on the railroad and when 290 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: he was excavating rock, and he was tamping gunpowder down 291 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: in its drill hole, and there was an ax a 292 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: little explosion which caused the tamping iron he was using 293 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: to thrust itself through his left cheek and out his skull, yeah, 294 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: like out his like completely through his head and then 295 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: in the air on the other side they basically gave 296 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: him the frontal of botomy. Yeah. Yeah, and he survived it. 297 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: But what happens he became childlike and became bullying, and 298 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: he started to use profanity. Again. This is so this 299 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: guy went from mild manner to like crazy town and 300 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time. And they didn't 301 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: understand enough about the brain at the time to really 302 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: attribute that to his accident. Yeah. And by the way, 303 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: if you want to hear more about gauge and and 304 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: other things of this nature, we did a podcast to 305 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: Change your Mind the Hard Way where we dealt with 306 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: some of some of these things. Another circumstance is sarotonin. 307 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: You serotonin levels. There was a study conducted by the 308 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: University of Cambridge and this was actually reported in a 309 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: Science Daily article. They talked about healthy volunteers and what 310 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: they did is they took these healthy volunteers and altered 311 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: their serotonin levels by manip pulating their diet. Because we 312 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: know that your diet can affect the serotonin levels in 313 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: your brain and make you, you know, really sort of 314 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: regulate your mood. Yeah, there's certain foods are gonna behind serotonin. 315 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: And if you've ever been to a health food store 316 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: and look around it supplements. There obviously a lot of 317 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: serotonin supplements that are aimed at helping you out with 318 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: your serotonin level. And you know, we've talked about this 319 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: in the past two especially with our podcast on decision fatigue. 320 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: Just make sure that you're good enough to eat, you know, 321 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: throughout the day, because that really does affect your ability 322 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: to regulate your moods. You are what you eat video, 323 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: so are what you think. So the two come together. 324 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: That's right, mind to think. That's on my bumper sticker 325 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: on my car. So okay. What they did they manipulate 326 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: their diets. On the serotonin depletion day, the volunteers were 327 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: given a mixture of amino acids that lacked tripped a fin, 328 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: the building block for serotonin, and on the placebo day, 329 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: they were given the same mixture but with a normal 330 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: amount of tripped de fan okay okay. And then the 331 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: researchers scan the volunteers brains using fmr I and as 332 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,359 Speaker 1: the volunteers viewed faces with angry, sad, and neutral expressions, 333 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: and then they were able to measure how different regions 334 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: reacted and communicated with one another. When the volunteers viewed 335 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: the angry faces as supposed to the sad or neutral faces. 336 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: So the research revealed that low brain serotonin and make 337 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: communications between specific brain regions. We're talking again about the 338 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: magdala and frontal lobe much weaker. And the finding exactly 339 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: suggest that when our serotonin levels are low and maybe 340 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: really much more difficult for the prefrontal cortex to control 341 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: emotional responses to anger. I mean, this is this is 342 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: a this kind of a dumb moment. But at the 343 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: same time, it's like, yeah, you know what, when I 344 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: was angry, I was really hungry, and I was tired, 345 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: and I was hungry. Uh, so it makes sense that 346 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: the serotonal levels could affect our mood like that. So 347 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: to put it back in terms of the pro wrestler 348 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: and the monk on your shoulders, in the case of 349 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: Phineas Gauge, the monk was just completely taken out, yeah yeah, 350 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: by by a rod. In the case of the serotonin issue, 351 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: the individual hasn't had enough to eat or for whatever reason, 352 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the serotonin level has dropped and so has the communication 353 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: between the two. So the pro wrestlers on one shoulder 354 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: saying let's do it, let's go out there and let's 355 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: kick some butt. I'm not gonna take this anymore. How 356 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: dare they do this to me? And the monk is 357 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: is like yelling across a chasm here um and saying saying, hey, 358 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: calm down, calm down, and the pross was like, what 359 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: what's he talking about? And then launches back and well, 360 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing too. Let's say that you are a 361 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: person who has two pro wrestlers on your shoulder. In 362 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: other awards, you are prone to be more aggressive and 363 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: therefore more prone to anger. Your communications between your MICHAELA 364 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: in your preferntial cortex are going to be weekend regardless. 365 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: So when you have the depletion, it's much more pronounced. 366 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: What's interesting about this and I was reading this experiment 367 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: as well, where they then they referred to them as 368 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: short fusers and the Brewders. So the short fusers, that's 369 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: the guy was like, Oh, you took me off. I'm 370 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: gonna punch somebody in the face. Yeah, And then you 371 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: have the brooders who are like, oh, that person really 372 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: made me mad. I'm gonna pretty much be musable the 373 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: rest of the day, which brings me back to thinking 374 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: about Dante with the sullen and the wrathful. So I 375 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: wonder if you could, if you could look at the 376 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: short fusers are the ones tearing each other up and 377 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: punching everyone in the face on the surface of sticks 378 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: the river sticks, And then the brooders are the sullen 379 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: buried in the muck at the bottom, gargling their hymns 380 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: into the flying Yeah, the powders just need to meditate, 381 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: and the short fusers just need a sandwich because really there, yes, absolutely, 382 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: but really, if you are a short fused person, you 383 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: really are much more sensitive to your serotonin levels, is 384 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: what this is spelling out. So it is very important 385 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: to try to get that sandwich in your belly. Really again, 386 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: to simplify it. In fact, they've been experiments where if 387 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: you actually look at the brain and you you scan 388 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: it and and you see what's lighting up during these moments 389 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: of wrath or when there's some sort of stimuli that 390 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: provokes wrath, you can see that the difference between short 391 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: fusers and brooders and seconds. The medial prefrontal cortex associated 392 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: with self awareness and emotional regulation quickly lights up with 393 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: the broods, and so does the hippocampus involved in memory. 394 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: So as they fume, people repeatedly relive the events in 395 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: their minds. It's like they're chewing over that thing that 396 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: made them mad. They're continually tweaking that story in their 397 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: head about that thing that happened to them that was 398 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: sucky and now they're mad. So anger can be so fleeting, right, 399 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: it can be such a flash, like how long is 400 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: this taking? This whole process, this just taking seconds. They 401 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: found in this experience that the degree of hippocampal activation 402 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: predicted how much people tended to ruminate. So you can 403 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: actually see, depending on what the hippocampus is doing, you 404 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: can tell how much they're brooding on the anger. I'm 405 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: imagining a little sign on the fMRI I that shows 406 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: need sandwich, and it's just like flashing over the prefrontal cortex. Okay, 407 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: so we're gonna take a quick break, but when we 408 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: come back, we're going to talk about whether or not 409 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: you could be attracted to anger. All right, we're back, 410 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: so wrap to what extent is it? Is it attractive? 411 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean not so much. Usually people 412 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: go out of their way to avoid people who are angry, right, 413 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: I mean it's often referred to as as showing ones. 414 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: But you know, more or less they're like, I really 415 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: showed his butt on that one, right, but they did 416 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: not have to say Bobby, you know what I mean. 417 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: It's generally like they let wrath take control of them 418 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: and they really kind of look like a fool for it. 419 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: You know, no their emotional address, you knew where they live. Yeah, 420 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: but then you think of wrath, and you think of 421 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: so many there's so many things in our culture where 422 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: wrath is celebrated. It generally it involves creating a fictional 423 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: or just creating even real world circumstances that allow the 424 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: wrath to manifest in a way that is either acceptable 425 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: or relatable. Um for instance, Incredible Hulk. You know, this 426 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: is an example where a mild manner, Bruce Banner, he's 427 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: getting kicked around and then the rage gets ahold of him, right, 428 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: and he turns into Holk and starts kicking. But or 429 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: just any masculine testosterone fueled action flick where the baddies 430 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: are bad and so our hero is even badder and 431 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: starts just wailing on people, you know, Bruce Lee type stuff. 432 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: We do get something out of that. There's something appealing 433 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: about that I'm on various levels. I mean, you can 434 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: break it down to the viewer of some of some 435 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: sort of film like this. They have issues in their 436 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: life that they would on some level like to be 437 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: able to deal with in a direct manner. And so 438 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to watch something or play a game in 439 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: which somebody deals with their problems with direct violence. Well, right, 440 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: And there are some people who do bait other people 441 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: in order to raise their hackles, right and get a 442 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: little charge of anger, because they're interested in provocation, right 443 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: and getting into a fight. Yeah, And I feel like 444 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: this is interesting because I think we've all done this, 445 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: or maybe not all, but most of us. I feel 446 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: like I've felt this at one point or another where 447 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: you're not necessarily like a complete bully or anything like that, 448 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: like nothing like really heinous, But were you just sort 449 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: of poking at somebody just to get like, you know, 450 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: the little things that might annoy your significant other, and 451 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: if the mood is right, you might just prime a 452 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: little to see of it. Okay. So could it be 453 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: that on that day you war, testosterone levels were higher 454 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: than they usually were, right, This is for both men 455 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: and women. University of Michigan Psychology study found that some 456 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: people find angry expressions rewarding well, and they they actually 457 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: interpreted as rewarding. Tesascer and levels were actually measured in 458 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: a group via saliva samples. And then this group was 459 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: asked to work on a learning task that involved a 460 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: flash of images, some with angry faces, some with neutral faces, 461 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: and some images containing absolutely no faces, and the images 462 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: flashed by so quickly that the participants weren't really able 463 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: to detect a pattern. In fact, though this task if 464 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: they were working on, was really to gauge whether or 465 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: not they could subliminally work out a pattern, and it 466 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: was found that men and women with high testosterone levels 467 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: learned the sequence of keypresses better when the sequence was 468 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: followed by an angry face. And the conclusion is that 469 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: the anger expressions were rewarding to the brain and that's 470 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: why they had a better memory of this. That's interesting. 471 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: That finds me of this article we're looking at from 472 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: Wired that was talking about the Steve Jobs. Yeah, it 473 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: was like the mobile meat portions of the original the 474 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: first iPhone came out. iPhone comes out, everyone loves it, 475 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: but mobile meat doesn't work. I mean, they's supposed to 476 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: be you know, on par with blackberries applications, and you 477 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: know it's supposed to actually fill that need. It was 478 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: an important part of the product. And Jobs was notoriously perfectionist. 479 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: He had a certain vision. He wanted to see that 480 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: that vision brought to life. And he was known for 481 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: having steam coming out of all the time. Right, and 482 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, he practiced Buddhism. I know, I was just 483 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: thinking about that too. Yeah, but I mean he probably 484 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: realized that, hey, I need to I mean he I 485 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: understand he did realize, and maybe his anger needs to 486 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: be be treated in some parts of my life, but 487 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: maybe not when it came to mobile meat not working, 488 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: because he got he lined everybody up, got him into 489 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: the theater there and just continued to like lay into 490 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: him for I think for like a solid hour, just 491 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: thrashed them, I mean not physically, but just let him 492 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: have it. Told them that they should all hate each 493 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: other for for what had happened and they had brought 494 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: dishonor to the brand, like basically telling them that they 495 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: are the beings and the river sticks and the should 496 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: just tear each other apart because they well and they 497 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: should commit you know, mental Harry carry you know, but yeah, 498 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: I mean here's a good example of I mean, it's 499 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: the ultimately, it's the kind of like negative feedback that 500 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: we all rail against whenever we encounter even like a 501 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: little bit of it, you know, I mean, nobody likes 502 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: to be in trouble. Nobody likes a working environment where 503 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: somebody's on your case for something. It makes you angry, 504 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: It makes you, you know, it makes you so, it 505 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: makes you kind of hate your job. But some of 506 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: the evidence lines up to support the idea that it 507 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: also inspires you on some level. But it did it 508 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: Actually you're angry, sure, but then you're you're committed to 509 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: to getting it done. Okay. So to that end, I 510 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: have to read this quote from the co author of 511 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: the University of Michigan Angry Faces study because I think 512 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: of Steve Jobs now. He says, quote, it's kind of 513 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: striking that an angry facial expression is consciously valued as 514 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: a very negative signal by almost everyone, yet at a 515 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: nonconscious level and be like a tasty morsel that some 516 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: people will vigorously work for. So I don't know, maybe 517 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: there were people on jobs as team who actually responded 518 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: to that well, I mean, the thing could be he 519 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: knew his team, well yeah, and he knew that these 520 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: are guys that will respond and got yeah, well I'm 521 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: am using guys in the gender news. These are guys 522 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: who who realized, see, now you're irritated about that. I saw. 523 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm not irritated. I'm I'm actually amused. Okay, But maybe yeah, 524 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: he realized that this is a crowd that is stimulated 525 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: by that, and a wired writer or somebody commenting on 526 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: the outside or they're not a part of that group, 527 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: and maybe they're more of a positive reinforcement environment. Like like, 528 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: it's easy for us to comment on that because because 529 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: I feel like you're at house. Stuff works. Aside from 530 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: the days where Jerry comes to the halls with a 531 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: bull like physically with a bullphip and and hits everybody. 532 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: Aside from those days, Matt just gives us the occasional 533 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: dressing down just for fun. Aside from that, it's a 534 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: pretty prett pretty positive place to work. It's more about 535 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: positively enforcement brainstorming that kind of thing. Brainstorming, of course, 536 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: well in our mother environment where they're no wrong answers, 537 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: there are no bad ideas in brainstorming. Though I have 538 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: heard a few. Yeah, and in our mother company, Discovery, 539 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's all about you know, everybody wearing 540 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: the lovey dovey pants. Yeah, it's pretty nice. I mean 541 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: to get some more love pants because I I split 542 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: them the other day. Yeah. In fact, didn't we got 543 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: something about a flash momb here occurrence happening because anyway, 544 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if that was actually happening or that 545 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: was an example. I think that's an example of things 546 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: that can happen during a brainstorm. Um So anyway, that 547 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: is another story for another time. But let's talk about 548 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: when you are in a chronic state of anger. Okay, 549 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: so you're in jobs as team and let's just assume 550 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: that all the time it's all anger, because it's not 551 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: going to be, of course, but you do encounter people 552 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: like this. We're like, man, they are angry all the time. 553 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: They're just constantly fuming over every little or big thing 554 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: in their life. Yeah, well, there's the state of response 555 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: can start to take a toll and you obviously, chronically 556 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: angry people may not produce enough actal col hopefully I've 557 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: said that right, a hormone which tempers the more severe 558 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: effects of adrenaline. And their nervous system is constantly working 559 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: and can eventually become over taxed, leading to a weakened 560 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: heart and stiffer arteries. Yeah. This incidentally was the first 561 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: neurotransmitter discovered, isolated one by a German biologists Atto Loewie, 562 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: who would later win the Nobel Prize for his work. Yeah, 563 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: and it's really important because there's all sorts of potential 564 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: for damage not just the heart, but the liver and 565 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: the kidney as well as having high cholesterol. Yeah, it's 566 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: responsible for much of the stimulation of muscles, including muscles 567 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: in the gas from intestinal set system. And it's also 568 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: found in sensory neurons and in the autonomic nervous system. 569 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a part of scheduling even rim sleep. 570 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: So okay. Yeah, and if you think we're kidding about this, 571 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: just pull out one more stat um. And the two 572 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: thousand and one study of thirteen thousand subjects, people with 573 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: the highest levels of anger had twice the risk of 574 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: coronary artery disease and three times the risk of heart 575 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: attack as compared to the subjects with the lowest levels 576 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: of anger. See this makes it even harder for me 577 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: to watch Lewis Black these days, you know. Really the 578 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: whole stick is like I'm so angry at these things 579 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: in the world that you're not right. It's a great bit. 580 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: He's a great talented comedian, but as he gets older 581 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: for me to watch him on the Daily Show, because 582 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not good for your health, Lewis, 583 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta chill out, Like I mean, maybe too. 584 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about Louis Black, so so 585 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: maybe to a large extent, is an act. I mean, 586 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: he said he's a professional, but I feel like he 587 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: is summoning some real anger when performing, and I would 588 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: just I don't want to watch him keel over. Okay, So, 589 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: assuming he's not in that state all the time, he's 590 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: just kind of doing it as part of his stick, 591 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: it actually could be an upside for him, Okay, okay, 592 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: So and actually for all of us there could be 593 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: an upside for anger. Again, assuming that this is not 594 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: something that we're playing into and playing into the destructive 595 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: violent forces. I mean, there's a way to actually be 596 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: constructively angry. Yes, yeah, what they found some folks who 597 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: like to poke around and studies actually researchers, mathish bos 598 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Carsten did Drew, and Bernard nishtad Uh. They publish the 599 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: results in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology found that 600 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: participants who are made to feel angry and then we're 601 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: asked to brainstorm exhibited key hallmarks of creative brainstorming, including 602 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: unstructured thinking, and in a comparison to their counterparts identified 603 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: as sad or neutral people, the very angry participants came 604 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: up with more ideas as well as more original ideas. 605 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: And now this was a short lived window, right liked 606 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: they couldn't sustain this. Obviously, they couldn't sustain their anger 607 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: as well, which was a good thing. But right after 608 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: they were made to feel a bit of wrath, their 609 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: brain was basically kind of unfettered and not thinking systematically. 610 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: And this is where people think that anger could be 611 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: really helpful, because you are getting that surge of adrenaline 612 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: and you do become laser focused in the way that 613 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: you want to remove an obstacle, or you're sitting there 614 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: saying how could this be? How can I make this better? 615 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: And if you actually point that anger the solution rather 616 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: than say the person or the thing, you could make 617 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: some headway and be really productive I believe the same 618 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: study or maybe this is a different one that was 619 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: talking about how sadness sullenness if you will, can also 620 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: have you know, it's bad in the short term, but 621 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: in the long term it can also it also leads 622 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: to increased creativity, increased drive in your work. Yeah, with 623 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: some of this too that people who may be depressed, 624 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: although um, and we've talked about this, it can hamper 625 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: creativity at points, but there's some of this is tied 626 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: to self actualization or being able to see yourself in 627 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: a realistic light and then be able to deal with 628 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: obstacles in a long term way because you're not at 629 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: that that very moment sort of fooling yourself into like 630 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: I can do this, right, I don't know. It's a 631 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: little bit of depressing way to put it, but well, 632 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: it reminds me of most guys anyway, really love the 633 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: first one or two Batman movies, right, the films not 634 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: based some of the ladies, some of the ladies, my 635 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: wife doesn't like them. But but these are very much 636 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: a product of a time during which in the United 637 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: States have the Bush administration, which, being a conservative administration, 638 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: was generally by and large and not as popular with 639 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: the with liberal artistic types. Um. And then you have 640 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: you have war, you have economic downturn. Well that economic 641 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: downturn really comes after the Bush administration. But but the 642 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: same area, you have a lot of negative things going on. 643 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: But if you see the art that rises up out 644 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: of these these issues, out of this paint, I guess 645 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a nice Well, it sucks that 646 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: there was a big war, it sucks that it lasted forever, 647 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: but but hey, we got some cool art about out 648 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: of it. Right Well, I think what you're saying is 649 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: that anger. Anger is mobilizing forces to get out there, 650 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: think creatively and say something. Well, and I was thinking 651 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: about that in terms of protests too. I mean, there's 652 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: a point where protests are really productive, right, and then 653 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: there's a point where they can become very destructive for 654 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, devolve. So you're saying you don't have high 655 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: hopes for the third Batman movie from Christopher Nolan. No, 656 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that, done well, 657 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: anger can be really helpful, right Well, but again you 658 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: have to bring a bit of mental energy to it 659 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: to say, how am I reacting to this at this 660 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: very moment. And that's where that ten second cooling off 661 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: period is really important, because if you just let that 662 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: two seconds rule you, you you know, you can get a 663 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: hammer to the head. Yeah, I mean, if you look 664 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: back and just think about it evolutionary, you can imagine 665 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: this primitive human out on the prehistoric planes. He's killed 666 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: a deer or something, right, and then there's this other 667 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: dude coming along. It's gonna try and eat his deer. 668 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: That raises his hackles. He's like, who's this guy think? 669 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: He is trying to steal my dear flank out from underneath. 670 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: And then that anger can be used to mobilize him 671 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: to fight for and keep what he's his and what 672 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: his survival depends on. And although he's not quite that 673 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: sophisticated yet, one day he will use that wonderful neo 674 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: cortex and he'll work out his problems via communication words 675 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: um in a way that he can say, let's not 676 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: fight about this, let's let's come to the logical conclusion 677 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: about whose flesh this is? Okay? Right? That person will 678 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: redirect his anger into a productive way. You know, you 679 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: look like you're not buying No, No, I'm buying it. 680 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm buying it completely. I mean, I think the interesting 681 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: thing about Rath, like all of these sins, really is 682 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: that there is a level where it makes sense and 683 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: in the motivating force in life, and then there's that 684 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: tipping point where it becomes something horrible and to be avoided. 685 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it maybe it seems like with 686 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: Wrath that the tipping point occurs a little sooner. Yes 687 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, I mean there are levels of Vancor 688 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: right now. So there you have it. Again. This is 689 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: just one episode in a series, so as you're listening 690 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: to this, feel free to go back and explore our 691 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: previous five episodes. And there's also a good chance that 692 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: you're listening to this in the future. Well you're obviously 693 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: listening to it in the future, so the final episode 694 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: on Sloth may also be out as well by the 695 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: time you hear this. All right, let's call the robot 696 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: over and read a quick listener mail. What have you 697 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 1: got for us? All right? This one comes to us 698 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: from Michael. Michael writes in in response to our episode 699 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: Stindall Syndrome kicked in the brain by Art, He says, 700 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: I had no idea this was a thing. A few 701 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: years ago. When I was in college studying design, my 702 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: art history class went to the TUT exhibit. I was 703 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: walking through, rousing at the pieces, disappointed that Tut wasn't 704 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: even there, when suddenly I felt the stamp that is 705 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: gonna be And then suddenly I felt a hand shoulder 706 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: h When suddenly I felt the need to stop and 707 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: look up. I saw the crook and flail on display. 708 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: I lost my breath. The room's fun and all of 709 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: the commotion disappeared. It felt like I was hallucinating. I 710 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: swear that I was looking up at the at a 711 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: pharaoh holding them uh and these, of course those two instruments. 712 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: At a pharaoh mummified, they hold the crossocrounds their chest. 713 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: I was completely paralyzed for what seemed to be hours, 714 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: until someone bumped into me. It was really crowded. It 715 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: was then that I realized how old and beautiful the 716 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: crook and flail were that I was looking at. It 717 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: was so very overwhelming. I had forgotten about my childhood 718 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: love of all things Egyptian. I didn't want to leave 719 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: the room. I wanted to get closer, but there were 720 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: too many people. I nearly cried at the side of it. 721 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: And I am not the overly emotive type wild stuff. 722 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for the great episode I listened to each and everyone. Cool. Yeah, 723 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: that's that's an awesome description of what Stenhell syndrome is, right. Yeah. Yeah, 724 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: we discussed that podcast how they are a number of 725 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: different things informing. It's not something where it's like, oh, 726 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: there's something broken in my brain and makes art pound 727 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: me whenever I look at it, but like, here's a 728 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: great example of someone who came into the exhibit with 729 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: certain expectations, certain expectations, but also this hast, this emotional, 730 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: emotional past with the subject matter, and then they're standing 731 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: in front of it. This thing that maybe existed only 732 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: in their mind before is manifest before them and it's 733 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: ancient and it's beautiful, and it just overwhelms them. So, 734 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, I was just thinking that this reminds me 735 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: of an article that was recently published in New York 736 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: Times called The Thin Places, or I think that's an 737 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: approximation of the title, but it talks about how when 738 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: we go on vacations, we go it doesn't have to 739 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: be a vacation, be a park, it could be a 740 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: special place, but it's perspective changing and they call it 741 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: the thin place because it occupies a place between earth 742 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: and heaven. So it's like the places where reality grows 743 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: at them and yes, pushes in on yes, and it 744 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: takes you outside of yourself. Yeah uh so, yeah, that's 745 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: that's just one of the things that a museum can 746 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: do to your brain, right, Yeah, Well, it reminds me 747 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: in our Scott Baker's fantasy. It looks there are these 748 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: places that are basically the thin places. But the other 749 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: thing about that is that madness can set them from 750 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: the outside. So well it seems to fall right in. Yeah, 751 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: we encount of these thin places where art can effect 752 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: us and can maybe drive us a little temporarily. Matt, Well, 753 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: it's like Jill Bolt Taylor who had the stroke and 754 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: she started to see her own molecules melding with with 755 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: her environment. You know, I mean not it's not fed extreme, 756 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: but that's sort of a metaphor for what's happening. But anyway, 757 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, but that's awesome. Thanks for sharing that 758 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: with a Sydney. Maybe it was the emails from Michael, 759 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: but it's signs Sydney, So Michael Slash Sydney, thanks for sharing, 760 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: and we loved here from anyone else who's had an 761 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: experience like that, with something with art, with history, et 762 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: cetera that they've encountered, and likewise, let us know what 763 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: you're experienced with wrath is, how do you deal with 764 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: it in your daily lives, how do you experience it 765 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: in other people? And how do you mitigate it? 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