1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: If you ever want to know if a picture is throwing, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: just watch the picture they give it them away. 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: What's it up? We're so busy today, but I do 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: want to make sure we get this in right at 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: the top, because sometimes we'll do it during a break. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: We are giving away two free tickets to a regular 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: season game of your choice every single week for the 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: next couple months. Every week a giveaway could be random drawing, 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: could be trivia, could be contests. This week we chose 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: contest Friday night, there's a Giants Dodgers game. 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So look up the contest in chap 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: ECC bring one other person into the contests. 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: It is. 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: Kind of a guessing game this time around, but you 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: can use your brain to make a guess on how 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: you think Yamamoto is going to do on Friday night. 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if they announced the starter for the 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: Giant side. I'll look up their pitching probables right now, 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: but I know it's a Yamamoto day, so I put 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: my guests in there. Although if I win, I'll give 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: the tickets out to somebody in the chat. But let's 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: see if we can find out who was pitching for 36 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: San Francisco. Yeah, Logan Web against Momoto. 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: Yeah I want to go to that game. 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta win and then you can pick. 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: Then you can't just say I want to go to 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: that game. 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you can do whatever you want. You're an adult. 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: But anyway, I just wanted to throw that out there, 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: Foul Territory Dot Chat. Let's get right to base. Let's go. 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: So we're gonna start with a rare trade request We 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: don't see this in the game very often. 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: This doesn't happen in baseball at all. I can't remember 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: the last time. First of all, I can remember the 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: last time someone requested a trade and then the team 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: actually went through with right. Nor of people are like, no, 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to be traded. 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: This one's gonna happen. Aaron Savali has requested to be traded. 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: He was just bumped out of the starting rotation. He's 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: been a starter for his entire career. He's made one 54 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: relief appearance in his major league life, and that was 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: in the playoffs last year against the Mets. Jacob Mizrawski 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: is a top notch prospect. He's making his debut tonight. 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: They decide to bump Savali out. Ken Rosenthal and Will 58 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: Salmon from the Athletic, We're all over the story. They 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: spoke to Jack Toffee, who is the representative of the 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: agent for Aaron Savali, and I think the very end 61 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: of the article stood out to me with the quote 62 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: that they listed. Jack the agent said, Aaron is not 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: angry or banging his fist on the table, but it's 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: a little confusing because he did not pitch his way 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: out of the rotation whatsoever. It's more of a subjective 66 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: choice the organization is making. 67 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: That's what the organizations can do. This is what happens. 68 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: This is why you know, certain organizations do things one 69 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: way and certain organizations do things otherways. 70 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure. 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: Listen, Marcus Stroman went through this with the Yankees, right, 72 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: He did not ask to be traded. They're like, you're 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: gonna be using in the bullpen, and he did not 74 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: has to be traded. But Savally wants to be traded 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: because he's a free agent at the end of the year, 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: and starting pitchers get paid more than middle inning bullpen guys. 77 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's just the facts. Are the facts, right, 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: So he did by them doing this, he's feeling like 79 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: his value is being held down. 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm. 81 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Sure there's a team out there that'll take a starter 82 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: that can take the ball every fifth day and give 83 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: him some quality innings. There are a lot of teams 84 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: out there that will pay for something for him. I 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: just have never heard of you never, Like, when's the 86 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: last time you heard of a guy saying in baseball 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: I want to be traded? Just doesn't happen that much. 88 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: It's making eight million dollars this year on a team 89 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: that definitely has to be careful always with their budget, 90 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: and they do have a pretty solid starting rotation going 91 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: right now and more on the way. Savali is a 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: free agent after this season Krats, and he's trying to 93 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: make sure that he stays on path and remains in 94 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: a starting role. In fairness, he strained his left hamstring 95 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: and his first adding this season four starts since coming 96 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: back on May twenty seven in a three three two 97 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: e in nineteen innings. It's pretty good and I think 98 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: a team could use him. So I do think he's 99 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: going to get traded. Teams at this point in the 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: season have leverage. They're gonna try to make the Brewers 101 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: eat a little bit of the money. But I do 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: think he gets dealt pretty soon. 103 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: You man, starting pitching, I mean, if he's healthy, it's 104 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: hard to trade starting pitching if you are trying to 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: stay in it. I mean, I think I was looking 106 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: down the list the guys that have gone down this 107 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: year for them. Kingtana went down for a little while, 108 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: Logan Henderson's been to the bushes. Who else did they 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: send down? They sent. 110 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: Tobias Myers. 111 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Myers. Thank you Tobias Myers, who started a who 112 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: started a playoff game for him, was the pitcher of 113 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: the year for the team. Yes, it's subjective. That is 114 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: Baseball's like, that's like a guy sitting and I'm not 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: saying that Savali said it. I know his agent said it. 116 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: But that's like somebody's sitting there going why is that 117 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: guy getting called up? I'm hitting two eighty yeah, but 118 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: that guy's hitting two ten with fifteen homers. You're hitting 119 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: two eighty with one homer. Joh whatever. So subjective, I 120 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 3: need to be traded. This kind of chatter goes on 121 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: all the time in the minor leagues. You rarely hear 122 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: it in the boot in the big leagues. But I 123 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: don't know that anything happens. I don't I don't know 124 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: that they that they trade him right now. Could they 125 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 3: get a piece for him, Yeah, But to me, I 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: think he's more valuable to the Brewers as more depth. 127 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: Oh what if he doesn't pan out as a Really 128 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: he's not. 129 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: Here's here's the problem. The one thing that he could 130 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: do is he could just be as miserable as possible 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: and they'd have to move, which I don't think I 132 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: don't know Aeron saval Or. I don't know Sevali from 133 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: from anywhere. It's Aaron, by the way, not Adam. 134 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: That's why I was like, wait what Oh he said 135 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: Adam no on. 136 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: The screen as is Adam. Oh yeah, sorry sorry, I 137 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: was like, wait what h I don't know Aeron Savali 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: from anywhere anybody. I mean, I maybe said hi to 139 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: him once in my life. 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Try huel today for complete nutrition bottled. 180 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: What would you, guys do? What would you do right? 181 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 2: You're in the thick of your career. This is your 182 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: one time as a pitcher to make some good coin. 183 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: You're going to be free agent after this season. Your 184 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: numbers are decent. What would you do? 185 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: Would you want to start right? I'd want to start. 186 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: I'd do the same thing he did. I'd say, listen, guys, 187 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: I've been a brewer not very long, but I would 188 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: love to get the opportunities' fe and be honest. Go 189 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: to Matt Arnold, say listen, I'm a free agent at 190 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: the end of the year. I need to start for 191 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: my value. 192 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: Oh it's time. We haven't done roleplay in a while. Okay, 193 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: I'm Matt Arnold ready and I'm a nice guy on 194 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: the show, totally appreciate you. You're pitching, well, we just 195 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 2: have a roster crunch right now and we want to 196 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: bring up MISERASKI we can't start you at the moment. 197 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: Then you say they trade me, okay, And then if 198 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: he says we're going to put you in the bullpen, 199 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: all you got to do is say I when they 200 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: call now, I won't come in. 201 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: Well you have to come in. You can get fined 202 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: and suspended for not playing. 203 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: Then they'll trade you. Right Listen, you can make life 204 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: as miserable for the team. They have all the power. 205 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: I get that, but they also don't want somebody being 206 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: miserable around the guys. To trust me, I've seen it. 207 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, this guy, let's get rid of 208 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: him because he's not doesn't fit in with the people, right. 209 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: So he's doing nothing wrong. He's gonna go. 210 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: I have no problem with him at doing this at all. 211 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: I have no problem with Aaronzabali asking for trade if. 212 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: He had a six and a half ERA in fifteen 213 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: starts this season. It's a tougher case because I would say, 214 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: if I'm Matt Arnold, hey, you're not pitching well. I 215 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: can't trade you and you're making eight million dollars, you 216 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: want to give me the money back, then it's a 217 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: different case. Right. It helps that he's performed pretty well. 218 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: He's been consistently pretty good over his career. 219 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: Okay, there's a. 220 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: Lot of teams out there that could take Aaron Savali 221 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: right now and plug him into the back end of 222 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: their rotation and say, for eight million dollars, we're upgrading 223 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: where we're at right now. 224 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: He's been an interesting guy, Kratz. If you follow his career, 225 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: he's pitched for some of the Saber metric pitching Darling organizations. Milwaukee, 226 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, Cleveland. I don't want to say they gave 227 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: up on him. 228 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: I thought the Cleveland to Tampa Bay trade was interesting 229 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: for me, and then the Tampa Bay to Milwaukee trade 230 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: because he would think Cleveland he was he was pretty 231 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: good in Cleveland, he was one of their better guys, 232 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: and he went to Tampa Bay and he did. Okay, 233 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: I don't know it is eight million dollars that much 234 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: for a guy that you can pencil into give you 235 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: a low four or under four era. 236 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: For his career, he hasn't performed up to what those 237 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: organizations think he's capable of and they haven't been able 238 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: to totally crack it yet. Even this year. We're talking 239 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: about a super small sample size. Krats. He is a 240 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: stuff plus darling. And you know Cyrus who's been on 241 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: this show is big on on that stat and works 242 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 2: on it. But there are definitely organizations to either use 243 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: that or have a variation of that behind the scenes, 244 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: and they go, this guy has stuff, can we corral 245 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: it and turn him into a better starter than what 246 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: the numbers have been for him, right because if you 247 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: look at what his numbers have produced up and down, 248 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: I mean look at the eras or the ERA plus is. 249 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a four point zero six ERA for 250 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: his career. Most teams would take that. That's sowfu. 251 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: That's like what a four or five starter? 252 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying for a back end starter. 253 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams Krafts, Am I wrong? There's 254 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: a lot of teams that can that are in the 255 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: competing window right now. You think the Orioles wouldn't take 256 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: that right now. 257 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: No doubt. My only point on this part is that 258 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: those three teams have to find a guy like that 259 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: for eight million bucks and make him a number two starter, 260 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: and they have been able to figure that part out. 261 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: He is not that four or five, but he's not 262 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: that right, So for other teams krats, I mean Aaron 263 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: Sabah organization by organization right now, could be the number 264 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: four or five starter and at least half the teams 265 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: in the league right. 266 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: No, for sure, he's got to be out there. Though. 267 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: The one column last year was the first time that 268 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: he eclipsed thirty starts. Before that, it was twenty twenty one, 269 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: twenty three, Like, so his value going up. I get it, 270 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: guys don't make thirty starts anymore. But you think of 271 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: a guy who's kind of like smoking mirrors a little 272 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: bit when you're looking at stuff wise, then you have 273 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: to say, Okay, what other value does he bring to me? 274 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: And I think that I think that's why Cleveland cut 275 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: baiton Ram. The Rays were like, hey, we'll pick somebody up. 276 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: We'll pick somebody up that we see has those outlying metrics. 277 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: But I just think I disagree. I don't think he 278 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: asked for a trade. I think, really this team, I 279 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: understand why he's doing it, but that doesn't mean I 280 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: and maybe that's maybe that's me coming from a different 281 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: spot in my career where it was always like when 282 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: you're on a team, you're on a team, and that 283 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 3: loyalty maybe maybe hurts his value if he if he 284 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: is like that, But. 285 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. 286 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing that just because the 287 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: last if he spends he's not going to spend the 288 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: last four months of the season in the bullpen. I mean, 289 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: if that happens, the Brewers might be in first place. 290 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: I just haven't not necessarily a path, Kratz. I'll just 291 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: stop you there. There is not necessarily a path, Freddy Peralta. 292 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: They've liked what they've seen from Chad Patrick and Quinn Priester, 293 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: and they've used d L. Hall as a piggyback Jose Kintana. 294 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: They booted Logan Henderson from their rotation now right Misski's up. 295 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: Henderson had a one to seven winn e RA in 296 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: his first four big league starts. Tobias Myers I think 297 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: at some point, I know, but if he does figure 298 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: that out, of of course, if they strike, yeah, Nester 299 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: Cortes should come back at some. 300 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: Point throwing What about Big Wu? 301 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: Big Wu apparently just got moved to the sixty dail, 302 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: but still at some point might come back again. I 303 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: think so. 304 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: I just saw no, I know he was literally that 305 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: was his last rehab start and he took a line 306 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: drop off his elbow. But I didn't know they put 307 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: him on. He's been on the sixty. 308 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: Day ail, right, must have, because I just saw it 309 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: come across that he he got put on the sixty 310 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: And I don't know if that was a roster something 311 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: to do just. 312 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: Got announced, MISRASKI called up the option. 313 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's been out long enough now where that's 314 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: a paper move. 315 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: Right, well, because the way sixty I l works is 316 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: you have to clear that in the off season, right. 317 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: Remember that was the whole thing with Strasburg. It's like, 318 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: do you want him taking up a roster spot and 319 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: you clear that? So then for wood drift And initially 320 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: they thought he wouldn't be on another sixty dail because 321 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: they thought he would come back early. 322 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: Whatever. 323 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, now they transferred him to the sixties, which is 324 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: just a roster. It's more of a paper paper move. 325 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: He's still can come back soon. But anyway, Krat, sorry 326 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: to cut you off. My point was, I don't know 327 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: if there's necessarily a path for him in the next 328 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: month and a half before the trade deadline, and then 329 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: after the trade deadline, you can't really get moved. 330 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: So then so then yes they can trade him. But 331 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: if they don't have that kind of depth they believe, 332 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a hope, a wish. They have 333 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: a lot of hopes and wishes in the depth department. Yes, 334 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: based on what you just said, but you can't he 335 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: can't expect to be traded without seeing three starts from Mesaski, 336 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: without seeing Nestra Cortes back on a big league mound, 337 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: big wu getting called up and throwing more than four innings. 338 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: He can't expect to be traded. He has value for 339 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: the team right now, whether it's right or it's wrong. 340 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: There's plenty of guys in situations that are like, oh, man, 341 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: if I get traded, that'd be the best thing ever. 342 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: Pump the brakes, Pump the brakes. The grass isn't always greener, yeah, 343 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: but it's a different situation. This guy's are better. And 344 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: this isn't a young guy that's just running his mouth. 345 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: About to hit free agents. 346 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: This guy's around, he's about to be a free agent. Yeah, 347 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. Hey, if he wasn't a free 348 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: agent at the end of this year, he'd be like, Okay, 349 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: I'll do it. But he's a free agent at the 350 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: end of the year, so that's why he wants to start. 351 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: Hey, here's one that will only have a couple of minutes. 352 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: For we had seen the injury what about a week ago. 353 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: There you go, Kratz. Jackson job Tommy John surgery, which 354 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 2: sucks because at this time of year, now you're wiping 355 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: out next year as well. So you're looking at twenty 356 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: twenty seven. 357 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: For he was supposed to really help their rotation and 358 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: be a guy. 359 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: He was a dude. 360 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: Top pitching prospects in baseball last year. Yeah, really, him 361 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 2: and Andrew Painter have received the most type. Painters should 362 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: come back at some point in reason. Yeah, he's coming back. 363 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: He struggled all in the miners, I think throwing strikes. 364 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: But he is supposed to come back at some point 365 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: for the Phillies, maybe in the second half. But anyway, 366 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: the Tigers lose job. The glass half full approach here, Kratz. 367 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: The Tigers are really damn good and they've got enough 368 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: depth to be able to make things happen, and plus 369 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: enough depth in their system to make trades at the deadline, 370 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: which I think they would have done either way. They'll 371 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: try and get somebody that can pitch a playoff game 372 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: for them. 373 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, if that's available, that's a team that's gonna do it. 374 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 3: I mean they're they're clearly are pushing their chips all in. 375 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 3: Only got a few more years of schoogle, So you 376 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: have your ace. 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Jack Curry, who reports on the Yanks 399 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: for Yes, said Ben Rice hasn't started a game at 400 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: catcher this season, but with Gihn Carlo Stanton's return looming, 401 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: Aaron Boone said Rice con starting games behind the dish 402 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: Kratz casual mid season. Throw them into the catch a roll, 403 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: No big deal. 404 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: It's hotback there. Boys are gonna be slinging that rock 405 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: up there. You'd better be ready to go for me. Yeah, 406 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: his receiving might be legit. He might be able to 407 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 3: keep that going off machines and bullpens and everything, blocking, adjusting, 408 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 3: throwing in game all that stuff, Stuff that isn't valued 409 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: metrically gets quick, game calling gets quick. You're not you're 410 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 3: not You're not making the decisions when you're out there 411 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 3: at d H and first base. It'll be interesting to see, 412 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 3: But everybody I've talked to with the Yankees says he's 413 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 3: ready to go. He's kept himself ready, so it'll be interesting. 414 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 3: I don't know. 415 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: It's it's hard. What did Ron Washington say? First base 416 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: is incredibly hard? If first base is incredibly hard, then 417 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: multiply that times a thousand to be a big league catcher, 418 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: and you haven't done it in almost two years, Like, 419 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever caught a big league game? 420 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 3: Has he? 421 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: Has he ever caught a big league game? Like this is? 422 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: Playing first base is incredibly hard. Playing catcher is multiplied 423 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: that by a million, with the scouting reports, umpires, having 424 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: to hit, having the block balls, having a throw, having 425 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: a worry about holding runners, haven't a worry about time else. 426 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: He's very smart, but something I understand that, But it's 427 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: not just something you could jump into right live fire. 428 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this is live fire. 429 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: We've got a feel good picture of Andrew McCutchen with 430 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: a fan who caught his home run ball that passed 431 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: Roberto Clemente for third most in Pittsburgh Pirates history, and 432 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 2: apparently it was stuck under the bleachers. I don't think 433 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: they're filling the seats right now in Pittsburgh. So this 434 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: guy grabbed it and then gave it to Cutch home 435 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: run number two forty one. 436 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: Nobody could find it. There was people scurrying around. It 437 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: looked like ants trying to find it. It was because 438 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: it banged around in those metal bleachers that are under there, 439 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: and so people were like looking under there. When Cutch 440 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 3: comes back on, let's remind him that's probably just a 441 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 3: ball from BP. It's probably not his actual home run ball. 442 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. How do they 443 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: know that's the real ball? 444 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: How do they? 445 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: They don't? They don't they what if someone out there 446 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: with the real ball? 447 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: They don't. 448 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: But first of all, let's say this congrats catch. Yeah, 449 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: well deserved a Pittsburgh legend. 450 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: To the bed. MGM signed nice and just. 451 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: Just a great all around fella and awesome. Happy for him, 452 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: and you know he's listen. I'm happy that he got 453 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: to go back to Pittsburgh and end his career, and 454 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: they're pretty much said you can play as long as 455 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: you want to play, which is the best part, right 456 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: he deserves it. 457 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's still contributing nicely. See that right now. 458 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: I mean I'm seeing him hit. I feel like just 459 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: as well as anybody on that team. Still listen, Slim Pickens, 460 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: I know, thirty eight years old, one thirteen ops plus 461 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: on base thirty five plus percent at the time. Useful. 462 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said. 463 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: That's what he said. 464 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: That's what he said. 465 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: That's what he said. We're going to run a clip 466 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: from Trevor Mays may Day about Tommy john surgery. We're 467 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: getting another run. Them popping up again right now at 468 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: this point of the year. No, no, I know it's 469 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: every year, but I'm saying, there seems to be pockets 470 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: where suddenly it's Corbyn Burns Jackson job. 471 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Well, this is about that time where pitchers are getting 472 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: to seventy innings ish, so they're starting. 473 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 3: Getting We're also getting pictures thrown complete games. How many 474 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: complete games have we seen in the last like three 475 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: or four days. Oh wait, they're throwing more because they 476 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: haven't thrown a lot before. No way, there's a correlation 477 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: to it. There's no way. 478 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, they should definitely all be three inning babies in 479 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 2: the minor leagues. 480 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: They are pretty much are. 481 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying, it's fantastically it's ridiculous, it's craziness, but that 482 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: is true. Kratz. We should give props David Peterson CG. 483 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: We did Andrew batt Abbott to lead off the show yesterday. 484 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: Spencer Schwellenbach went the distance yesterday for the Bravos. 485 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: I thought there's four I'm wrong in the past week. 486 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: It's just crazy that we're talking about a complete game 487 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 3: like it's like it's an anomaly, Like he threw a 488 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: complete game. He's out there in the ninth inning and 489 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: he has ninety five pitches in a one to nothing game. 490 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: What are they doing? Terry Francona want to win? 491 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: Have you alls said noticed on this thing? 492 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: We just talked about the Josh Paul streak out thingy. 493 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: In two thousand and five in the ALCS, we played 494 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: five We beat the Angels in five games. Okay, game 495 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: we lost Game one, and we had a reliever throw 496 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: one third of an inning. The next four games our 497 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: starters went CG. That'll never happen again. Burley Contreras, Freddy Garcia, 498 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: John Garlon all went CG nine innings. That'll never happen again. 499 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: Think about that. Twenty years ago we had a five 500 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: game series and we used a bullpen guy for a 501 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: third of an inning, one guy for one third of 502 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: an inning in five games, and then all four starters 503 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: went cgu never happening again. That's how much times have changed. 504 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: And some of those were one hundred and twenty pitch. 505 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: Well, that's the key. You can't do that anymore. You 506 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: can't go that deep. 507 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: But guys enough leads to where we could let him 508 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: stay out. 509 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 2: Sure, but guys are trying to get more efficient. I mean, 510 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 2: the leader in this category and it's so quick. We 511 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: spoke to Paul Skins before the season started. He's like, 512 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: I studied the game's best. Their strike percentage was higher 513 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 2: than mine. Their first pitch strike percentage was higher than mine. 514 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: He's talking as if he's been in the league forever. 515 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: It's like you were a rookie, and hey, we're seeing 516 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: it play out. I mean, obviously the sinker's much more 517 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 2: in play for him this year, but the biggest factor 518 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: for Paul Skeens is, you know, he's not throwing as 519 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: hard as he did last year trying to he was 520 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: hitting one on one, one or two. I don't think 521 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: he's officially hit. As of a week ago, he had 522 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: not officially hit one hundred point zero. He's he's been 523 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: ninety nine point seven, eight nine, whatever. But he was strong, 524 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: harder last year. He's become more efficient. Maybe he's thrown 525 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: like a drop less hard. He still throws hard as hell, 526 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: and he's going deep. 527 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: Into outings and he's still not winning. 528 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: I mean, the team results are irrelevant, but we're just watching. 529 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: No, they're not irrelevant, but I mean they. 530 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: Are for his team this year because they're not a 531 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: playoff team, so it's a wasted season, but they're relevant 532 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: for the other side. I'm just saying it's interesting. Let's 533 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: get Trevor May on this topic. 534 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 4: Teams will begin factoring in surgery as a likely option 535 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 4: for older guys, especially the Geir Goles and whatever, and 536 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 4: so the contracts are going to be built with that 537 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 4: year in mind. If they haven't had Tommy John and 538 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 4: they're thirty three, thirty two and we're signing them to 539 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 4: a four year deal, there's a very good chance that 540 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: they're going to need it at some point in this 541 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: period of time, and that is factored into the contract. 542 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 4: It's probably already started happening. It is just one of 543 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 4: the things that happens with baseball. It might not happen, 544 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: but it's more likely to happen. In my opinion, believe 545 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 4: it or not, two thirds of all reconstructions are done 546 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 4: on kids sixteen to twenty years old, non professional players. 547 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 4: It all comes back to the incentives and guys pushing 548 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 4: them so so hard so they can play at the 549 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: next level. We have to find a way to divorce 550 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 4: these incentives for pushing yourself too hard from being able 551 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 4: to move on to the next level. But I don't 552 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: know how to do it. But that is what needs 553 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: to happen, and unfortunately it's really hard to do. So 554 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 4: what can a player do on their own in order 555 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 4: to make sure they are in position to stay healthy. 556 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 4: Make sure you are warming up sufficiently in your whole 557 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 4: the whole kinetic chain is working as it should, and 558 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 4: then take your recovery extremely seriously. If your sore, take 559 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 4: a day off from throwing, because the more it's not 560 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 4: about throwing through soreness, it's about your body changing because 561 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 4: you are sore. And if you if you don't pay 562 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 4: attention to that stuff, your body will start to shut 563 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 4: things down and you will not be conscious of it. 564 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 4: And that is what causes his injury most. 565 00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: Of the time. Heyesus, Lizardo pitching well again after two 566 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: starts that crats many thought were so bad they thought 567 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: maybe he's tipping. And then we've got some pictures here 568 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 2: from our friend pitching Ninja. That shoe he made an adjustment. 569 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: Whether it was getting picked up or not, he made 570 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 2: an adjustment. Explain it to us. 571 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: On the change up, the one on the left is 572 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: the one that's surrounded and red. His glove hand is 573 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: down by his belt or his glove is down by 574 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: the belt. The one on the right is his new change. 575 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 3: His glove is tilted his change up, not just a change, 576 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: his change up, and his glove is tilted up to 577 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: hide his hand. And if you actually play the video, 578 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if we have that or not, but 579 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 3: the video shows he pulls his hand out of his 580 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: glove as he's going to pitch. As soon as you 581 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: can see that. You can see you know from a 582 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: hitter standpoint, that ball's you know, it's hard because he's 583 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: left you, so I'll do it righty. But that ball's 584 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: coming out now he's going like this and pitching and 585 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: before his hand yeah you'll see the video here, his 586 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: hand stays in his glove where before his hand was 587 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: coming out, and that just is like red flags. Dude, 588 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: just lay off, lay off that change up, which coincidentally, 589 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: I think he got four or five of his strikeouts 590 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: on change ups. And it allows you to sit on 591 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: you know, of his tent. It allows you to sit 592 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 3: on the heater better if you know a change up's 593 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: coming and you just take it. 594 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: This one's easy for us to talk about. I'm a 595 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: huge fan of Hunger Root. They're delivering groceries that we 596 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: want and groceries that we didn't know we want but 597 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: we want. 598 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 599 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: They Every box that I get from Hunger Root has 600 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: a new snack in it that I'm like, oh, this 601 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: looks interesting, and then I try it, I'm like, oh, 602 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: I might need some more of those. So they're great 603 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: at not only getting the groceries you want, but they 604 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: surprised you with tasty little treats that you didn't know 605 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: you needed. 606 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: Agreed, turkey jerky. There was like a chocolate pudding thing 607 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh, I'm not a big cholcol putting fan. 608 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Then I have it and I'm like, this is awesome. 609 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: So they can cater to your knee. So you got 610 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: gluten free, or you're looking for a certain diet that 611 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: you want to fulfill, or there are certain items that 612 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: you love. They learn along with you. 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We don't know if this 623 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: is why, But do you think that Peter Alnzo was 624 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: hit intentionally in yesterday's game? I think it's amiss from Rutledge. 625 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: Watch. 626 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was ahead O two in the seventh, I 627 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: mean they were down five. 628 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: Watch the picture was trying to hit hit him that 629 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: is in. Ron Darling's reaction is he wouldn't you gotta 630 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: pitch pete In? You gotta show him something in San 631 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: goes down by the way grabbing his hamstring. That's not good. 632 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, this is not intending. I'm sorry, it's not 633 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: you gotta show pete In, especially with two strikes you 634 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: want to run one in what Just if you ever 635 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: want to know if a pitcher is throwing, just watch 636 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: the picture. They give it away, just like I always 637 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: tell people, if you want to know a ball is 638 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: hit off the bat, fair, foul, homer, watch the hitter. 639 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: He'll tell you. As a hitter, you know right away 640 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: if it's foul. You don't even move and everyone gets oh. 641 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: The hitters standing there like oh practice, they'll give it 642 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: to you right away. And my wrong, crowds like the hitters, 643 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: and the pictures give it to. 644 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: You right away. That's what That's why I'm so confused 645 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: when in the big leagues umpires miss calls because you 646 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: can see you just see the reaction. The game is 647 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 3: played at such a rhythm that everything you always see 648 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: the reaction. Again, back to the guys rowing at him, 649 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: This one where the guy throws and he goes, oh, 650 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: yeah missed it, or oh he looks down at the 651 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: dirt his foot, Yeah, because something was wrong with the dirt, 652 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: and that's why you hit him, you know, right away, 653 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: when you tried to hit a guy. 654 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: So Ron Darling's long time Big leaguer and then been 655 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: a broadcast for a long time. I know him quite well. 656 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: I did a lot of work with him. He was 657 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: not happy about it. And his quote was Ronnie or 658 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: the quote from Gary Cohen was Ronnie's going to be 659 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: a fire firing in baseball at somebody before you know it. 660 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: And Ron was explaining how it's like, you know, once 661 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: you live that as a player, you just can never 662 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: escape when a guy gets hit. You know, he just 663 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: he felt it. 664 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I get that part of it because I listen. 665 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: I understand that part of it. Yeah, But also Rom 666 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: pitched for a long time and understands a game, and 667 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: he should know that they're not trying to hit him 668 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: right there. Again, we went through the whole scenario yesterday, 669 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: and I just I don't see it in today's game. 670 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: They don't do this anymore. It's just not a thing. 671 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: They do it. 672 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: But it's like once or twice a year. 673 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but there's something that happens. It's so 674 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: blatantly obvious. And then the pitcher Mackenzie Gore last year 675 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: when he threw it Profar the first pitch of the 676 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: game and he drilled them or he missed him, did he? 677 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: And then he hit him the next pitch. Gor didn't 678 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: get kicked out. Profar and Schild got kicked out, but 679 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: Core stayed in the game. Like there are times where 680 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, as a hit, listen, there are times as 681 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: a hitter, this dude's throwing at me, and I know it. 682 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: If you don't like it, go get them. We're just 683 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: wearing go to first. 684 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: That's it. I don't think Darlings. I don't think Ron was. 685 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 3: I don't think Ron was necessarily saying they were throwing 686 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: at him. I felt like he was saying, you play 687 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 3: the game for so long and you still get mad 688 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: at that situation. I think he was mad that one 689 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: of their home run hitters got hit. That is what 690 00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 3: has changed. That's what's changed. Pitchers from Little league going up, 691 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 3: all they are taught is throw the ball as hard 692 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: as they can when their adding's over, that's it. And 693 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 3: they're almost like viewed as not part of the team. 694 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 3: Ron Darling played in a time when I'm protecting my superstars, 695 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: so he, I think was expressing the sentiment that he 696 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 3: felt towards the fact that one of their stars got 697 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 3: drilled on a pitch up and in when the Mets 698 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: I think had three or four homers that night. So 699 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 3: that's I don't think. I don't feel like Ron felt 700 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 3: like it was a intentional hit by pitch. I think 701 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 3: Ron felt like, no, no, no, no, no, somebody has 702 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: to protect our stars, which I. 703 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: Can right, probably right, because that makes it doesn't happen anymore. Listen, 704 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: I played against some of the best put John Carlos 705 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: stant when he was at the Marlins, right. We would 706 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: have a meeting and I would tell our pitchers, you 707 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: gotta throw one up and in early in the game. 708 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: It's got to be the first day of the first 709 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: game of the first series, because we got to send 710 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: a message to him that you guys can't lean out 711 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: over the plate and you throw one up and in 712 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: and not trying to hit him. And I'm talking I'm 713 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: not even talking like I'm talking like chest up in here, 714 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: just to get him to go like this, Miguel Caberra. 715 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 3: Same way. 716 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: You got to make him aware in here, because if 717 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: you don't, those dudes were going to right field and 718 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: they're hitting laser beams like left handed pull hitters. You 719 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: got and it was Stanton. The thing was you throw 720 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: one in here, and then if you did it again, 721 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: you have because you would get him to swing and everything, 722 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: because then he would get mad, right because he'd already 723 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: is after he had been hitting the face and that 724 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: whole ordeal, which is awful. But then you could get 725 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: once he got mad and you got him to chase 726 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: one game over, you could throw him anything he's swinging 727 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: because he can get mad, right, And maybe you had 728 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: to make a wear in. And I agree with what 729 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: you just said. Christ Maybe we're looking at this the 730 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: wrong way. That was probably the right way. And what 731 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: he's saying is right because that doesn't happen anymore. There's 732 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with going in on guys off the plate. 733 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: Man. 734 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm must say. I'm not advocating anyway, but throw one in. 735 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: It's okay, Yeah, it's okay. And if it gets away. 736 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 3: A little bit story you told about Stanton, that's so funny, 737 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 3: Cliff Lee, I don't know if I ever told this 738 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 3: on here. Cliff Lee never did scattered reports. He was like, 739 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to do skying reports. He's like, I'm 740 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 3: gonna throw my best pitches. I'm gonna throw strikes and 741 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 3: that's it. And this was really good, Cliff Lee. This 742 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 3: wasn't like coming back from the minor leagues, Cliff Lee. 743 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 3: This was Phillis Cliff Lee. And he goes before the 744 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 3: Marlins game the one day he goes Mike Stanton. He goes, 745 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 3: I don't care what the scattering report says, and you 746 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 3: know I don't do scattered reports. He goes, but we're 747 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 3: throwing it inside. Obviously you had to. You know, he 748 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: could run that cutter in. He goes, I'm throwing everything 749 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 3: in to in off the plate. He said, I don't 750 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 3: care what the scattery report says. I go why, which 751 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 3: I was happy that he said that. He goes, because 752 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: if I leave one out over the plate, I think 753 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 3: he's the one guy in the game that may kill me. 754 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 3: He said. If he hits a homer on a pitch 755 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 3: in and it's pulled, he said, I'm totally fine with it. 756 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 3: He said, if I leave one out of a plate, 757 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 3: I may never throw another pitch again, and I love 758 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 3: my family. 759 00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 760 00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want anyone to die. 761 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his exit velocity in his prime, even now. 762 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: But he hit the ball off Shoney Miller in Miami 763 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: that still might not have landed. It went over the 764 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,479 Speaker 1: they have an upper deck out there. It went over 765 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: the upper deck, out the freaking gate out there in centerfield. 766 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: Hit I think it hit the Orange Bowl sign out there, 767 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: stuck in the ground. 768 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: That is insane, all right, So that all tracks then, 769 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: So for Ronnie just back to the top here, he's 770 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 2: looking at it, going damn. If I was playing right now, 771 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 2: I'd hit their dude, right, I'm going after someone for 772 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: hitting Pete and you could. You could break someone's wrists, 773 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 2: even if obviously it's unintentional. The point is. 774 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: Tony Russo we used to have like Tony Russa and 775 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: the old school guys would be like, you hit my guy, 776 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: I'm hting three of yours. Wow, I'm just gonna keep 777 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: throwing at you. How he protected pools, That's how he 778 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: protected poolholes for all those years, right, and he protected 779 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: Maguire and he protected his guys. He literally it was 780 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: non like I remember we David Risky got traded to 781 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: the White Sox. We're playing the Cardinals. His first pitch 782 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: with the White Sox, he drilled, uh not Shelley Dunk, Shey, 783 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: Shelley Duncan, his brother, Chris Duncan. He was brought in 784 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: and it's something had happened during the game. His first pitch, 785 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: he freaking smokes them. That was and he got ejected 786 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: his first pitch as the White Sox, David Risky because 787 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 1: they had because we beat the crap out of them. 788 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: This is six they won the World Series the year 789 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: we had beaten the crap out in the first two games, 790 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: and there was a couple of balls that were like 791 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: throwing at Jim Tolemy and some other guys. Risky's like, 792 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: I'll handle this. First pitch. It's Chris Duncan. I think 793 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: he heard them. But that was his first pitch. He 794 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: who dejected. 795 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 2: You want the White So it was a quick friends. 796 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you made a lot of friends quickly. But it 797 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: was great. 798 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: That's good stuff. 799 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: It wasn't great because I think Chris dunk I think 800 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: his name was he. I think he got hurt. 801 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 2: But it was just one of the you know, listen, 802 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: don't hit anyone. It only starts when someone misses most 803 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 2: of the time nowadays. Yeah, it's not like Pedro Martinez. 804 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: Guys, they knew how to do it right. It was 805 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: down here, it's coming whack. Okay, I get it. 806 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 2: Move one. A question from Henry I think this was 807 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 2: in chap ecc as severyone knows. We're checking that every 808 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 2: day said, do you guys believe in catcher e r ra? 809 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 3: Okay, no, I don't. 810 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 2: You could be catching. I believe in brutal picture. 811 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 3: I believe in wins for a catcher behind a dish. 812 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 3: I think certain catchers know how to make sure a 813 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 3: team stays in the win column, but isn't necessarily worried 814 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: about earned run average. So that's why I don't like 815 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 3: the e R But I do I do. I lean 816 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 3: towards wins. 817 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: Here's the problem I have with both of those. 818 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 3: And I I. 819 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: Understand why people like him, But as somebody, I'll use 820 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: David Ross as an example. Gets who David Ross caught 821 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: every time he pitched John Lester. Guess what, he's gonna 822 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: have a good e R an. He's gonna win a 823 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: lot of games, versus like when I was on the 824 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 1: red Sox, I was getting all the other guys. 825 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 3: So mm hmm. 826 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: Right, So you're like, oh, I'll get a call, I'd 827 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: get the call up guy, or I'd get the listen, 828 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: And that's you do the best you can. But if 829 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: you're only like if you're only catching a certain guy 830 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 1: every time, if you're only catching the ace every time, 831 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: you're Eddie Perez, you're only catching Greg Maddox, But then 832 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: your Hobby Lopez, you get the other four guys that 833 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: aren't Greg Maddox. Right, It's it's all relevant. That's why 834 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: even like I, yes, what you do backup catch with 835 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: the goal for a backup catcher, crowds to tell you 836 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,399 Speaker 1: is to win the game they're in and also keep 837 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: the starting catcher out of the game. 838 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: Usually yeah, but if you're Hunter Goodman, you're the best 839 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 2: hitter on the rockets, you're a catcher. I mean, all 840 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 2: of those numbers you just mentioned, they're going to be 841 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 2: absolutely atrocious. It has nothing to my point. 842 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 3: It's relative. It's relative. And that brings up a question, 843 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 3: why does one hundred and fifty million dollar pitcher need 844 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 3: a personal catcher? 845 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 2: Why not because he can? 846 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 3: Why not you guys just got paid one hundred and 847 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 3: fifty million dollars. I should be able to put that 848 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 3: dude that hangs in the back of the in the 849 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 3: back of the batting cage back there, and you should 850 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 3: still deal. 851 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 2: What if you have more of a problem with. 852 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 3: The worth million, then to me, that's that's that's politicking. 853 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 3: That's not the whole personal catcher thing. That's politicking. That's like, Oh, 854 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 3: I love hanging around my one hundred and fifty million 855 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 3: dollar picture. Oh I love being here hanging this guy 856 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 3: like it's not I don't know. 857 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 2: Well, it's much less of a thing now it. 858 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: Is, well because the catching duty is much more split. 859 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 3: But listen, I played. 860 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: There's only two times wherever I ever saw. One was 861 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: with John Lester and David Ross when I was at 862 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: the Red Sox. I was that was like the big one, 863 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: and then Julio to I wanted Christian Bethencourt to catch 864 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: him every time. That didn't go so good. So sometimes 865 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: it works, sometimes it doesn't. 866 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 2: I mean I would go the other way here, like, 867 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 2: you're not a one hundred and fifty million dollar picture. 868 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 2: You also don't get a personal catcher. 869 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: Rangers are boat racing. The twins. 870 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 2: You know Burger's got the he douys. They're to cross. 871 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah for the Pope ever since he's been hitting. 872 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 3: Better came back. So I just did that every beat? 873 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 2: Did you before the bat? How close to before the bat? 874 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: When I walk up into the batter's. 875 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 2: Box, batter's box, you did it. I gotta look back 876 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 2: every bet. I'm digging into the archives today. 877 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 3: So long, you're gonna ruin your You're gonna ruin your 878 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 3: whole YouTube queue. It's just gonna be aj Prazinski themed 879 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 3: YouTube stuff tonight. 880 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 2: That's fine. I know how to manage YouTube. I tell 881 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 2: them what I like and don't like. Sometimes they give 882 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 2: me things and then I pressed the three buttons on 883 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: the side and I say, no, I actually don't like 884 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 2: that stuff. There's a way to counter the algorithm. What 885 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 2: are you wearing today? 886 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 3: I mean, salth Freelick's on here, Uncle Sal hitting a 887 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 3: couple extra dingers, and I would fight against him. I 888 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 3: bet he goes to third base before we know it. 889 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, bring it back. There are two letters 890 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 2: in that logo. I feel like this comes up every 891 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 2: four months. 892 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 3: That's why I didn't bring it up. 893 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 2: MB Milwaukee Brewers tomorrow. 894 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: That's that's the best logo in the game. 895 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 2: It's a really good one. Whoever made that up? 896 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: That was that was made back like in the sixties seventies. 897 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 2: He's been a minute. 898 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: It's the best logo in the game. I'm sorry, especially 899 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: because just the hidden MB. 900 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 2: It's still tracks, it still plays. 901 00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 1: Still slaps. 902 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 3: Oh that Jones tight Yep, we. 903 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 2: Just murdered more words tomorrow, Ken Rosenthal, maybe Ali Marble 904 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 2: all he's ninety. I like my chances Otto Kemp from 905 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 2: the Phillies. Good story. 906 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: Yes, And by the way, Aaron Savalie birthday, Happy birthday today, 907 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: you're in the bullpen. 908 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 3: Way to go. 909 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,720 Speaker 2: That's a crazy birthday trade request on your birthday bumped 910 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 2: to the bullpen. 911 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: Happy birthday. 912 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,720 Speaker 2: I'd feel bad, but he is making eight million dollars 913 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 2: this year. Like there's worse. There's worse. 914 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: Price is but I feel for him. 915 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 2: No, you get it. 916 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see both sides of him. 917 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 2: If you miss that. Top of the show. Good debate 918 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 2: with these two. Should he ask or should he not ask? 919 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 2: For the trade? See you tomorrow, US three tomorrow? 920 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 3: Should I stay or should I go? 921 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 2: Benham Jam's giving you a chance to win a prize. 922 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 2: Every day during baseball season, you can step into the 923 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 2: batter's box, play the Benham Jams, swing for the fences. 924 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 2: Free to play game, visit the app, access to the game, 925 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 2: score a prize if you get a successful result, like 926 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 2: a hit of any kind. Gambling problem more concern, Call 927 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,240 Speaker 2: one eight hundred gambler.