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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. We're back with another almost famous podcast. Ashley,

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Speaker 1: How you doing? I am fine. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I say I'm fine because like Bachelor and Asian Dude

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Speaker 1: has been heavy. There's been like so much going on

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Speaker 1: in the past month. Yeah. You know, my my one

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Speaker 1: buddy from the show, uh said it best because I

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Speaker 1: was looking for the words to say. Um, because you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is like friends of ours, people

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Speaker 1: that we know. It's also the world that we live in,

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Speaker 1: and so like we're very much directly like associated with it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like it's our day to day lives. It's not like

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Speaker 1: we just come on here and talk about it on

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Speaker 1: the podcast, like we talk about it off the mic,

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Speaker 1: and you know, me and Jared always around our apartment.

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Speaker 1: It's like our life. Yeah it is, and it's our

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Speaker 1: friend group and so and I mean I think you

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Speaker 1: could even say that with the fans, like the fans

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Speaker 1: reaction to everything going on right now, you can tell

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Speaker 1: people are invested and they should be right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not uh that they love the show. They followed

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Speaker 1: the show. A lot of them have grown up with

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Speaker 1: the show. And so all of us that are within

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Speaker 1: this Bachelor Nation family are processing stuff so that the

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Speaker 1: word that my friend used is uh, it's disorienting, not

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Speaker 1: meaning that it's uh not me. It's just there's a

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Speaker 1: lot and it's hard to process quickly. I think we're

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Speaker 1: seeing that. It's hard to um, kind of grasp where

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Speaker 1: it's going. It's hard. It's hard to understand everybody's reactions

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Speaker 1: to things like you know, I mean, we could say it,

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Speaker 1: but like the fact that Rachel Lindsay is being bullied, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to process. Like why is the question there?

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Speaker 1: Like what what? What? What's the hope in that? And

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Speaker 1: then also what's the future of this? Shows it's obviously

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Speaker 1: uh up in question right now at all levels. And

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Speaker 1: then also what does this mean for us personally? Like

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Speaker 1: what what are the moments that we're learning from? Uh,

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Speaker 1: what are the teachable moments? What are the maybe the

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Speaker 1: moments that uh people need to be still held accountable for. Like,

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Speaker 1: there's just a lot going on. It's disorienting, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard to process. I'm sure a lot of people

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Speaker 1: listening can feel the same way. UM, So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that. We're gonna We're gonna break down the headlines.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about everything going on in Bachelor Nation,

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Speaker 1: the best that we know how and the best that

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Speaker 1: we can. Uh. We're also gonna talk about this week's

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Speaker 1: latest episode, which was the Tell All, and talk about

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Speaker 1: our opinions of that. But before we do, I just

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Speaker 1: got back from Honduras last night, Ashley, and I want

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Speaker 1: to tell you a story. Now, this story could be

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Speaker 1: for some a little bit uh disturbing, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say now if you if you're not wanting to

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Speaker 1: hear it, you can skip through it. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: about the clean up from the hurricane. So it's nothing, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it's important to note. So, Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I just got back last night from Honduras. Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I to go COVID test before I went, and a

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Speaker 1: COVID test while I was down there so I could

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Speaker 1: come back safely. We went down with the effort to

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Speaker 1: kind of analyze what the impact of the two hurricanes

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Speaker 1: that hit Honduras were. I talked about that last week. Um,

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Speaker 1: incredible work that the people in Honduras are doing right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give the the praise of the government,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think the government has done a lot,

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Speaker 1: but the people of Honduras, the citizens on Honduras, have

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Speaker 1: do the effort to clean this whole thing up. Well

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Speaker 1: in our communities, Uh there we we. You know, there

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Speaker 1: incredible the Honduran people are and how much do they

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Speaker 1: people that are working on those who have, you know,

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Speaker 1: There there's a pastor down there whose house literally is

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Speaker 1: wild stuff. And I say all of this to give

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Speaker 1: a whole different topic. After this podcast, I got off

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Speaker 1: the podcast, Ashley and I texted the group my house.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody out there listening to this

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Speaker 1: just like no longer exists. Well, there's a lot on

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Speaker 1: have like an opportunity to teach us how to kill flies,

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Speaker 1: this like vinegar lemon vinegar soap. Yes, yes, that that

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Speaker 1: that definitely works because when we had fruit flies in

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Speaker 1: that's my little soapbox. Um, let's get started. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's women Tell all. Um. Yeah, this is the first

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Speaker 1: gaslights Ryan. She is like, so, I have gotten so

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Speaker 1: show these cute little scenes of them together, where um,

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Speaker 1: there was this one time Matt told her that his

428
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: first kiss he bit the girl's lip in seventh grade

429
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: so bad it was gushing blood. She also says that

430
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: it was really nice to be somebody who represented the

431
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Speaker 1: hearing community and the deaf community. Um. She said that

432
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: she wasn't born profoundly she was. Oh. She says that

433
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: she was born profoundly death, so if she did take

434
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: care coocklier and planned out, she wouldn't be able to

435
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: hear anything. But she also said that she's not part

436
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: of the deaf community with a capital dude, she said,

437
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: because she doesn't use sign language. But she's really happy

438
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: about the incredible response she's gotten. Um, and I really

439
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: just felt like that was one of the moments that

440
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: made me think she's on her way to becoming a Bachelorrette.

441
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: She's just so lovable and she does represent diversity in

442
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: a different way having a disability. Yeah, and here. I mean,

443
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: she's just like an incredible human. She's somebody you'd want

444
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: to sit down with and learn from for so many

445
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: different reasons. That's why I mean, I hope we see

446
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: more of her. I mean, no matter how that is,

447
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: I just hope we see more of Abigail. She was

448
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: an incredibly bright light in the season. Um never got

449
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: involved in the drama, never like added to the bowling

450
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: in the mess. And she's still even like during this episode,

451
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah, you're I don't know, it's weird

452
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: to say like you're too good for this show, like

453
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: or you're too good for this season. Maybe it's like

454
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: you were just you were a fantastic contestant. And then

455
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: there was serena peace time with Matt, and the big

456
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: question going into this was does she regret leaving. The

457
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: bottom line is no. She said it was difficult. She

458
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: still cares about mass so much. The last thing she

459
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do was her him. But she really felt

460
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: like she was doing a disservice for him if she

461
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: was staying. So kind of more of what we saw

462
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: last week. And then Matt finally hits the stage and

463
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: he's got that beard he had like some oil in

464
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: that beard. Did you just see it was like shiny,

465
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: it was like that bed um. He says, of course

466
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: that he was really nervous. He said that he was

467
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: surprised by all the drama, but he tried to be

468
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: empathetic toward it because there were so many factors to

469
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: take into account. He also acknowledges the fact that, like,

470
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: especially with Victoria, he's like, I've never been in your situation,

471
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: Like I've never been on the other side of the rose,

472
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: so I don't really know all the emotions that you

473
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: guys are going through, which is like very interesting to hear,

474
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And then he said that when all

475
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: this new information is being brought to him, like whether

476
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, through press or whether it's through him

477
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: watching the show, he tries not to beat himself up

478
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: for not knowing. Actually, I'm gonna say this. I remember

479
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: the tellaw for Caitlin's season, and it was like magical,

480
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: Like you show up, you see all of your friends again,

481
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: there's so much energy and hype around it. You walk

482
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: into this room and it's like the first time that

483
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: you have like been had made a public live appearance

484
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: since the show. This didn't feel it was so nerve racking.

485
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it was so nerve racking.

486
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: But you there was you were just as excited and

487
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: energized seeing your friends as you were for like having

488
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: to sit up there and respond to like drama in

489
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: real time with a live audience too with us. But

490
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: in this case, they didn't have an audience, which definitely

491
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: probably makes the girls a little more calm and and

492
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: less antagonizing because they're not responding to the response of

493
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: the audience like when you get a clap or when

494
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: you get a boom, like you either totally retreat or

495
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: you want to keep going. Yeah, it's uh. And this

496
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: just didn't have that, Like it didn't have that energy

497
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: behind it. There was just maybe these girls weren't as

498
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: tight as other seasons, and maybe the storylines weren't as compelling,

499
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: but it just it missed it a little bit um

500
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: or quite a bit. But yeah, the big takeaway Matt

501
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: can grow a great beard. The guy a terrific, terrific

502
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: even beard on him. I have, Like I think Jared

503
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: and I have the same issue. We have, like the

504
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: one beard on one side and the other side doesn't

505
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: really grow it so when we try to grow our

506
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: facial hair out, it just looks awful. And I still

507
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: grow it out. Um, same, but you guys still look

508
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: better with a little scruff. Yeah yeah, man, it looks

509
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: good with a lot of scruff and I don't have that.

510
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: Uh well, Ashley close all this. What are you most

511
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: looking forward to for the next and I guess the

512
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: final weeks of this show. I think I'm still most

513
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: looking forward to what I was saying last week, like,

514
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: what is he crying about? What is he breaking down about?

515
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: It's also I'm also very interested to see you sit

516
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: down with his dad because he's not close to his dad,

517
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: but his dad shows up. Yeah, there's there's some there

518
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: is some really compelling storylines coming up. Uh. We'll continue

519
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: to watch, we will continue to break it down, and

520
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: we will continue to be fans of Matt James. We'll

521
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: root for him the whole way. Hey, actually, let's take

522
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: a break and we'll come back with almost famous podcast.

523
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: As promised, we have Jordan Davis on the podcast. Jordan Davis.

524
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: If you haven't heard from uh, well you should. Uh.

525
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: He has a self titled uh EP. Jordan Davis is

526
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: now streaming on all platforms. You should watch the Almost

527
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: Maybees music video because you'll see Hannah Brown uh in it,

528
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talking about that today. But Jordan Davis

529
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: is an incredible singer songwriter. Uh and Jordan's thank you

530
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: for joining us, Thank you for having me on. I've

531
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: been looking forward to this. Wow. The reason that we

532
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: have you here is because you got to witness Hannah

533
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: Brown and her boyfriend in real life and live action.

534
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Is that where they met? Well, I don't think they

535
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: met on set, but I think they had already met

536
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: before that. But but like in casting for your music video, No,

537
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it was in casting either. So wait,

538
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: they just cast it a couple. No. So here's the

539
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: funny thing about this is Hannah's boyfriend is never supposed

540
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: to be in it, but one of the extras, the

541
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: guy that was supposed to play uh, Hannah's boyfriend got sick,

542
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: so Hannah asked him to fill in. It was kind

543
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: of a last minute thing that he was right. I

544
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: didn't even like it was, you know, because I remember

545
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: seeing a clip of it because I was watching like

546
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: some of her stuff when they were shooting. It just

547
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: over zoomed because you know, we had to shoot it

548
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: during COVID, which was kind of weird. Um, but yeah,

549
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, being like, God, it looks a

550
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: lot like and oh that is Hans friend, so uh

551
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: pretty probably pretty uncomfortable too for him and that, like,

552
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, and they hadn't been dating long and then

553
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get thrown in a music

554
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: video and you have to propose to your girlfriend and

555
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: get shut down on camera. So, guys, just a little clarification.

556
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 1: In the music video, Hannah kind of goes through like

557
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: a different stages of love, in which case one of

558
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 1: them was getting proposed to you and denied. When was

559
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: this music video shot? So we they shot some of

560
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: her parts the middle of December. They've been together since then. Yeah,

561
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: and then uh, we shot the part with me and Hannah,

562
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: uh early January there And what a great idea. Why

563
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Why was Hannah Brown chosen for this? So I've I've

564
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: just been a fan of Hannah for a long time.

565
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: I think she's a great person and I love him.

566
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I love how she's has her

567
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, her faith on her sleeve. I think that's great. Uh.

568
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: And I met her at the CMA Awards. I guess

569
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: two years ago maybe um, and she was on Dancing

570
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: with the Stars, so and and I went up and

571
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: told her. I said, Hey, my mom's a huge fan.

572
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. We're pulling for you on Dancing

573
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: with the Stars. And she didn't believe me because Lauren

574
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: was on the team. And she's like, no, you're not Lauren.

575
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: You're cheaming for Lauren other country people. And I was like, well,

576
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pulling for both of you all, but

577
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: like I'll be cool of either one, you know, even

578
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: when you win, you know. But I told her I

579
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: was a fan. She told me she was a fan.

580
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: We just kind of kept in contact, you know, on

581
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: Instagram through that uh and this is and I'm not

582
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: making this that that's I promise you. We had a

583
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: meeting on a Monday, uh probably early October, right whenever

584
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: we kind of started throwing out ideas for the Almost

585
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Maybes video, and I was like, you know, who would

586
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: you know how I'm going to reach out to and

587
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: see if she would want to do it. As Hannah

588
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: and my team loved it. They were like, I think

589
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: that's a great idea, you know, I think she would

590
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: should be great. This song is perfect for you know,

591
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: Hannah's got a very public dating life obviously, and and

592
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm I'm'm gonna reach out to her.

593
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: And the next day I think she had said in

594
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: the Instagram live that she would love to be in

595
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: a music video. And so I just started getting tons

596
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: of messages from Hannah's fans being like, hey, you should

597
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: put Hannah in your music video. And it was the

598
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: weirdest thing. It's like, wait, was I like, was I

599
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: like Facebook living whatever? We were talking about this, and uh,

600
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: and that's what happened. I ended up shooting her message

601
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Um, and she she agreed to it. So

602
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just thought, you know, with with the

603
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: way this song is, the lyrics of it, it just

604
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: fit Hannah perfectly. Um. Have how's the response been since

605
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: you This is like the first time people can kind

606
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: of like watch Hannah interact with her boyfriend. Yeah, it's

607
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: been great. Uh you know that, like you said, that

608
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: was like a really unexpected, you know, positive online end.

609
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: But like, man, the video turned out great. She crushed it. Uh.

610
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: And it's it's obviously, you know, gave me a lot

611
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: of new fans. Uh. And it's been it's been really fun.

612
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: The really fun to continue to see the support for

613
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: the video roll in. It's pretty awesome. Well, I mean, Jordan,

614
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: I love that you have new fans. You you need it.

615
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Every country star does. But you've been successful for a while.

616
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: You mean your nominee for the a c M Best

617
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: New Male Artists of the Year. You also, uh released

618
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: your debut album Home State. And speaking of fans, I mean,

619
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: am I wrong to say that had over one billion streams?

620
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: That album did? Yeah? It did? Yeah, which is crazy.

621
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: You need more fans, man, you need Yeah? No, I

622
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: mean that, And it's it's wild. You know, I've never

623
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: I was. It's obviously a record that I'm very proud of, uh,

624
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: but you know, to continue to see that support for

625
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: that album come in, Um, it's just it's just crazy.

626
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. You know. It's still one

627
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: of the only plaques I have hanging up is uh,

628
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: the one billion streams plaque. And every time I see

629
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: it's just crazy to think that that that record just

630
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: meant so much that many people. It's just it's pretty

631
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: pretty humble. That is super impressive. We have to ask

632
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: you about the Bachelor. Are you watching Matt season. I'm not, um,

633
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: and not because of any of that, just haven't haven't

634
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: really been able to catch up with it. But uh

635
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: so one of my buddies, Tyl Granger Smith's brother, he

636
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: was on I'm trying to think of what was the

637
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: bachelotte that like had that left Clay Clay season. Uh so, yeah,

638
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I was catching up with I was catching up watching

639
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: for for Tyler on that one, but obviously didn't work

640
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: out for him. He's doing fine, he's not too upset.

641
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I haven't. I haven't watched much of

642
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: much of that season. There's a big crossover in country

643
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: music and the Bachelor and Bachelorette, Like there is a

644
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: ton of it, right, I mean there's there's podcasts now

645
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: that are like both country and Bachelor and Bachelorette. Why

646
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: is that? Like, why is there so much uh crossover

647
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: in the demographic and likability between both. I don't know.

648
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's just like, you know, the the

649
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: lyric content of country music kind of fits perfectly for

650
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: what the Bachelor and Bachelotte dude, I mean, you know

651
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: it's it's all about finding love or you know, the one,

652
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: the one that got away or something that you know, uh,

653
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: And I think that that's probably got a big reason

654
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: to why the audiences are so similar when it comes

655
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: to fans of The Bachelor and Bachelotte and fans of

656
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: country music. And I feel like every year they have

657
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: some you know, I try, like my buddy Adam Hamburg

658
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: played on a season. I know Chase has played on

659
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: a season before. So I don't know. I think it

660
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: just they just kind of go hand in hand. All right.

661
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: My last question for you is, if you have another

662
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: music video coming up, and don't flatter Bet and I,

663
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: who from Bachelor Nation would you like to cast next?

664
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 1: Let's just say it can't be us, so it doesn't

665
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: make it okay, I don't Probably I would probably say Dale, Okay, Well,

666
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: it's really weird. That guy kind of fascinated me, Like

667
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was a I know he's ex football player.

668
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: Would be kind of cool to get some football stories in. Uh. Yeah,

669
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I would like to see

670
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: if he's if he's kind of real. There's something about

671
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: that guy that it's like it's kind of fascinating to me,

672
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: but it's like kind of like I don't know if

673
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: like we're I don't know. I just I would really

674
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: just do it for a few questions, how would do

675
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: were you really? Were you really into Clare as much

676
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: as you like? Because I mean it's seemed very real,

677
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: seemed very believable. But obviously it didn't work out right.

678
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: Although I don't know, they're back on, I know I

679
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: saw that. Is that is that real? Though? Back together? Yes?

680
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Jordan, there's another way to make

681
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: headlines is you get them back on your music video

682
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: on their first public appearance and it blows up again.

683
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: There you go. You better release a new single now hopefully.

684
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: I know I need to start I need to start

685
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: working on, like what what can I do to get

686
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: dalon Claire and video? And I don't think it's gonna

687
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: be hard, man, I don't think it's with one billion

688
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: downloads or screens. I don't think it's gonna be hard. Hey,

689
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: George Davis thinks for coming on again? Your your album

690
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: is uh, Jordan Davis, is what it's called? And also

691
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: you gotta go check out the YouTube Google whatever the

692
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: almost maybe yeah, Hannah Brown and her boyfriend are are

693
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: seen in it. Jordan Davis, I am a fan of you. UM,

694
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: I have a couple of buddies in country music and

695
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: big country music fan myself. I appreciate you because I'm

696
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: a big red dirt country fan, UM, old school country,

697
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: Texas country. And you walk a really good like balance

698
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: uh within that world and within a world that you

699
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: know can be heard in the radio, and I just

700
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I think it's a really cool gift.

701
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: I hope you take that as a compliment because it

702
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: really is. You have a lot. I really appreciate that.

703
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much for saying that. Yeah, hey,

704
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: come back sometime, especially if you can get them on

705
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: your your on your next video. You're the man, Jordan Davis.

706
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: Everybody make sure you go check them out. We'll put

707
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: a good word for you. Bye, thank you so much.

708
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,799
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00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna go into Bachelor headlines. There's a lot of

728
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: them walk through this stuff, um, but like kind of

729
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: a big overarching headline because there's a lot of like

730
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: sub topics off of it. Is Emmanuel Acho has been

731
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: chosen as the replacement for Chris Harrison on after the

732
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Final Rose. There was rumors that after the Final was

733
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: Rose was even to happen, but it's gonna happen. Emmanuel

734
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: Acho is the host. Ashley. Uh. Just a quick background

735
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: before we start talking about all of this. Manuel Acho

736
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: is a former NFL player. UM, he is going to

737
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: step in here, and he's used to hosting. He's the

738
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: host of the YouTube series Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man. UM.

739
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: That's been a huge show. If you haven't seen that,

740
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I'd recommend going watching it. It's a it's a great show. Uh.

741
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: He was also just let you know he was Rachel

742
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Lindsay's pick to be, uh the host. I don't know

743
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: if she had like a saying that, I don't know

744
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes, but that was her pick. She

745
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: publicly said, hey, I think you'd be the best. H Um.

746
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: He in this his Uncomfortable Conversations with the Black Man.

747
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: He has interviewed conversations with Matthew McConaughey and with Chelsea Handler.

748
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: He's toli checked those out. He has talked to Oprah

749
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: like he's he's awesome. You just like you can scroll

750
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: on his Instagram for a little while and you'll just

751
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: be able to kind of feel his heart and soul.

752
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: I think he's like a terrific pick for this. And

753
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: if you guys want a little background on him, he

754
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: was born in Wow. He's younger than us Ben. Uh, Yeah,

755
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: doesn't that feel weird? He was drafted in the NFL

756
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: in he was part of the Cleveland Browns, the Eagles

757
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: up the Giants, um, and then he rose prominence doing

758
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: a best selling book writing best selling book called Uncomfortable

759
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: Conversation to the Black Man, and it's really been a

760
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: launching pad for his YouTube series. He uh is somebody

761
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: who you've actually spoken to recently, right? Can you let

762
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: us in on your compos Yeah, definitely. Well it was

763
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: super interesting, um because when my book came out, it's

764
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: with Thomas Nelson Publishers and Sam Acco, his brother released

765
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: a book like maybe a month before mine, and so

766
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: he and I got connected through We did Hope Still

767
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Wins Together, the Instagram show I did, uh, and then

768
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: I did his podcast and we've chatted and talked and

769
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: texted ever since then. We became good friends and so,

770
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: like I just knew Sam for a long time. He

771
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: been introduced me to Emmanuel and I've talked to him

772
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: and UM, I'm sure he's excited, he's ready. I can't

773
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: think of a better person for this moment. Now. I

774
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know what the plan is moving forward, like into

775
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: next season. I haven't heard. I haven't researched that at all,

776
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: but I know for this moment and for after the

777
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: final Rose on this season, Emmanuel is a great dude

778
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: with a huge heart, a ton of knowledge, a ton

779
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: of wisdom. Um. Sam, especially his brother, has taught me

780
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: a ton in fact, when when uh stuff starts swirling around. Uh,

781
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: Sam is uh well has been the first person I'm

782
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: called like when conversations are brought up and I'm like,

783
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: Sam helped me process this, help me understand what's being

784
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: said here? Uh, how have I hurt you? Know you

785
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: and others? And then like what can we do about

786
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: this together? Um? And uh. And Sam is always the

787
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: one that like talks with me. I mean the other

788
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: day we talked for like an hour and a half um,

789
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: and it was just like, yeah, this is incredible, great family. Uh.

790
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: And and I do know that Emmanuel is really gonna

791
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: be excited for this moment also, Uh, he knows this

792
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: is a big moment. I will say that he knows

793
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: this is a very important moment. Uh. And I think

794
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: he's ready. I mean I know he's ready for it.

795
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: It's the first after the final Rose in a long

796
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: long time. That's gonna be pre taped. It's gonna be

797
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: taped this week. I believe it's Thursday or Friday of

798
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: this week. So um yeah, I don't know. It's not live,

799
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: so that that that'll be interesting, especially for something that

800
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: like I'm sure the conversation is going to have to

801
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: like so deep, and they're probably gonna end up talking

802
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: about all this for more than two hours, and they'll

803
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: probably highlight the most important parts. What do you think

804
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: about it being pre taped. I don't have a problem

805
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, live is live is okay. My

806
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: honest perspective is live is really hard. And I don't

807
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: know if Emmanuel has ever done a live show. I

808
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think. I think he's talented enough to.

809
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: But like to do it your first time in this

810
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of environment with these conversations going on, I think

811
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: would be really difficult. And I think I think probably

812
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: even from like a manual's perspective, it's like, let's tape it.

813
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just I'm putting words in his mouth. Let's

814
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: tape it, and then let's make sure that we show

815
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: the parts that are important and needed. Um, because live,

816
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, if if you run out of time and

817
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: there needs to be commercial break. Then you break and

818
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of conversation, and then you feel

819
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: like you can't get to what you need to. Like,

820
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: I have no problem with it for this I think

821
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: we need to see the parts that matter and um,

822
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: so this is great. Now. Immanuel was super interesting because

823
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: he a little small fact he went to He and

824
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Sam went to church with Rachel Lindsay when they were

825
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: kids in Texas, so they've known each other for a while. Um.

826
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that that churches is a powerhouse of talent coming

827
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: out of it. Is also a former NFL player. Yeah,

828
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: his brother was playing up until last year. Uh and

829
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: even consider this year, so like they're you know, they're

830
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: still young, like um an incredible foot incredible football players. Uh.

831
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: There's also a story like about Emmanuel. Um, a girl

832
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: on like Twitter d end him and said, you know,

833
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: asked him if he would take her to prom um

834
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: and he said, if you get ten thousand retweets, I'll

835
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: take you to prom and he did because she got it. Uh. Yeah,

836
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: he's just uh you know he in two thousand and

837
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: sixteen actually though a few years ago now. Uh, he

838
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: did leave the NFL to pursue broadcasting. Um and he's

839
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: he's crushed it. I mean, everything he's done, he's been

840
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: successful at um just But at the same time, one

841
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: of the coolest parts about the family, uh is their

842
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: heart for those around him, Like when you I'm telling

843
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: you when Sam Macho, Like when I call him up

844
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: and he spends an hour and a half talking to me,

845
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: praying with me, like educating me, like just sitting with

846
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: me as a friend. Like that's an incredible in credible

847
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: human I know his brother has those same characteristics and

848
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: the same qualities. Um. So again, I can't think of

849
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: a better person for this moment than a Manuacho. I

850
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: think it was a great choice. I mean, it's awesome

851
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: that you have a personal connection with them. And all

852
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: I can say is, like, from the research that I've

853
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: done since Saturday on him, he just like comes across

854
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: as just like a suite, sulfulfilled, heart of gold type

855
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: of human being. Yeah, and and I also, uh, you know,

856
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear about this kind of where the

857
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: conversation goes. If Chris's name is brought up, that's something

858
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna be intriguing to me. Like how they speak

859
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: about Chris uh and kind of what that entails. There's

860
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot to this show that's gonna be watched, uh,

861
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: And I think Emmanuel is going to be very well

862
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: prepared to enter into those conversations. And I think I honestly,

863
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: I think I think he tweeted something like this, But like,

864
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: can we say the world's gonna be watching at least

865
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation is gonna be watching. There's just a lot

866
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: here to consume and the process together. I think it's

867
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: going to be a big episode, and it's an important episode,

868
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: and this after the Final Rows. It's going to be

869
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: part of a three hour finale on March. I believe

870
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: it will be the last hour, maybe the last two

871
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: hours of that episode. And um, the one thing that

872
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: I have to say about it being pre taped is

873
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: that it will be really lame if what goes down

874
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: in it is leaked beforehand, because that is the advantage

875
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: of having a live after the Final Rows is that

876
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: it can't be spoiled. Yeah, that's true. I mean what

877
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: would be leaked, Like what kind of stuff are we

878
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: thinking of his I guess his winner And if they

879
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: are still it's whether they're still together I think is

880
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: a big question. Okay, so you're talking. Okay, that makes

881
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: since Yeah, I mean typically that is live, so you

882
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: can't be leaked, right, yeah, and I think that and

883
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: then you like, there may be rumors as to who

884
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: wins going into the after the front of rows, but

885
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: how many times, especially ads of late, have we gotten

886
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: to after the final rows and then like they revealed that,

887
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: like things aren't going so well, yeah, that's true. Huh.

888
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that. It's gonna be taped

889
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: pretty soon, right, It's gonna be taped like a week

890
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: in advance at least, yeah, Thursday Friday. Okay, Well, I'm

891
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: not going to be looking at any spoiler websites. I

892
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: don't know about you. Doesn't that Yeah, I'd rather I'd

893
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: rather watch this with complete intrigue, with an open mind

894
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: and heart ability to learn and to see what's going

895
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: on in the life of Matt James, and you know,

896
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: whatever he ends up whoever he ends up with at

897
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: the end of he ends up with anybody. So this

898
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: almost famous podcast will not be spoiling the live show

899
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: for you, So you can listen, listen, Well, hey, we

900
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: we just got a really fun headline in about Emmanuel.

901
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: Another fun act about him. He actually has turned down

902
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, being on the Bachelorette twice, isn't that so?

903
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: I guess they've already been in contact with him. So

904
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: that was, you know, one of the reasons that he was, um,

905
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, you know, probably thought for this role. It

906
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: says that he says he doesn't think he could do it.

907
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: That's a quote He actually told Mike Johnson this and

908
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: Brian on their Talking About podcast back in January. He

909
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: said that he was asking on the Bachelortte twice and

910
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: just seventeen and then most recently, after his series and

911
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: book Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man came out, he said,

912
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't be the Bachelor because I feel like people

913
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: would judge me. He said, you were just kissing her,

914
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: and now you're kissing her. Why are you so grimy?

915
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: I thought you were about uncomfortable conversations, not uncomfortable makeouts.

916
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: I ain't got no time for that. I'm like, let

917
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: me just have my conversations. I don't need no dreamsuites,

918
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: no hometown visits. That's amazing. Yeah, he's he's great. I

919
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: mean the world's gonna love him. Um well, Ashley more

920
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: headlines this week, we're gonna talk about all the things

921
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: going on in Bachelor Nation And obviously a lot of

922
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: these right now are are heavy, but they're there topics

923
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: that we need to talk about. One is Rachel Lindsay

924
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: deletes her Instagram after harassment from Bachelor Nation amid ongoing

925
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: conversation about, you know, her interview with Chris Harrison. Now,

926
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: I will say this. The next headline reads from US Weekly,

927
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation rallies around Rachel Lindsay after she deactivated her Instagram. Uh. Actually,

928
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: this is obviously something that is unfortunate that had to happen. Horrible, horrible.

929
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: It was so sad um just the people who are

930
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: sending her these messages like I just don't know who

931
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: you are or like how you possibly feel, and sort

932
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: of compulsion to say horrible like raised racist comments towards

933
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: this woman who is really just doing a great job.

934
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: They're discussing race in this franchise. It's it's really unfortunate

935
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: because as as voices speak out on things that need

936
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: to be talked about, a lot of people are gonna

937
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: have different things to say. Right But let's this is

938
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: just a good lesson for life. Um, demolition is easy

939
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: like demo, and tearing things down is easy. It's quick,

940
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: it's loud, people want to get involved the next you know,

941
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: sledgehammers against walls, and but the reconstruction is hard. It's tedious,

942
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: it's slow, it's not sexy, it's not easy to do.

943
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: It's hard work. And so if we just want to

944
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: keep going around as fans of the show and tearing

945
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: down the Rachel lindsays of this world, then are we

946
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna be there to help it rebuild, to reconstruct her

947
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: and to encourage her? And it doesn't feel like we are.

948
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: It feels like people uh have enjoyed tearing all of

949
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: this down and everybody is getting torn down? But are

950
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: we gonna be there to rebuild her up? And I

951
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: hope we are. I hope once she takes a break

952
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: from her Instagram or social media she can take a breather, refocus, refuel,

953
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: and that she feels encouragement as she enters back into

954
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: this world because we need her. Mm hmm. I like

955
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: what Nick said on on his Instagram a couple of

956
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: days ago. He said, if you want to support Chris

957
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: while he's down, you should be able to without showing

958
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: hate to anyone else. Because I realize that this is

959
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: obvious to most people reading this, But if you are

960
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: one of the people who sent hurtful or racist comments

961
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: to Rachel, please take a serious look inside what's your heart?

962
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: Your priorities are seriously out of whack. But I do

963
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: think that it's important to say that if if you

964
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: want to support Chris, do it. But that doesn't mean

965
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: that you have to bring Rachel down. It's just not

966
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. It's not. That's the weird part here. It's like,

967
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: can you not do both? Right? Like, I've been able

968
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: to talk on the phone to Rachel Lindsay and Chris Harrison. Uh.

969
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: Both are people that are friends of mine. Rachel I

970
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: don't know as well, but I've been and like, why

971
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: can't you do both? I think I don't want to

972
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: speak for them. I would imagine that neither of them

973
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: want to be bullied. I would imagine that talking to

974
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: them both and hearing them and understanding and sitting beside

975
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: them is is is something they probably would both support. Um,

976
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: it's not mutually exclusive, and I don't know why. It's like, Hey,

977
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose my side and just destroy the other

978
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: side as hard as I can. I'm wanna add. I'm like,

979
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: it's just weird that like, that's where people are sitting today.

980
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: It's weird that that's where the mind goes. It's weird

981
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: that people can sit behind their computers and do that

982
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: and feel okay about it. At the team you're on

983
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: and divisiveness, it's it's wild. Well, moving on from Rachel

984
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: Lindsay and talking about Rachel Kirconnell, she addressed racism controversy

985
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: in her new video and it's she says, I'm done

986
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: hiding this. According to the Hollywood Reporter, now I'm gonna

987
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: say this and tight into this head and as well,

988
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: her mom actually speaks up in US Weekly and says

989
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: that her daughter feels hopeless amid racial controversy. So so

990
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: Rachel coconnell comes out with a statement and now we

991
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: know that behind the scenes, and um that her that

992
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: Rachel's hurting, that she feels hopeless. Uh, Ashley, what's going

993
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: on here? Um? What are we seeing? What did her

994
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: statement say? Well, her her statement said a lot. She

995
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: posted a long I think it was a seven minute

996
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Instagram video. She she posted it on Thursday. She said

997
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: in it that she was wrong and her ignorance was racist.

998
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: She said that over the past few weeks since she

999
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: put her initial written statement out, she's gotten a lot

1000
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: of messages. She said she's gotten a lot of people

1001
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: asking her, well, what have you done to change since then,

1002
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: And she said that she's had a lot of people

1003
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: message her saying that they aren't understanding why people are

1004
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: so upset. She said that a lot of people have

1005
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: been asking her for resources, which she thinks it's but

1006
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: she also said that there are people messaging her saying

1007
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: you've done nothing wrong, don't listen to people. She says

1008
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: that she is tired of getting all of that. So

1009
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: the big step we have to take here is white

1010
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: people are stepping up and taking accountability, because things will

1011
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: never change if we don't all work together and working

1012
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: towards this racial progress in the unity that we want.

1013
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: She also says that she has been hesitant to post

1014
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: links and books and any resources because she doesn't want

1015
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: people to think that it's just performative and not something

1016
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: that she truly stands by. She says, I hear you.

1017
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: There are things out there that are that completely validate

1018
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: your opinions and your anger towards me. I've come to

1019
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: realize that sitting aside and hiding in the corner to

1020
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: avoid being called performative doesn't help anyone or anything. So

1021
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: the entire movement and where we are in this country

1022
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: is just so much bigger than this, and I want,

1023
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: in need to use my privilege and my platform that

1024
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: I so do not deserve, just to shine a light

1025
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: on these issues and try to do what I can

1026
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: to take a step in the right direction. I think

1027
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: the biggest that the statement that she made in this

1028
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: that people really appreciated is that the people who are

1029
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: defending her saying that there's nothing to be angry about

1030
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: or to be offended by. She said, please stop saying that.

1031
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: That's not our place to tell people what they can

1032
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: and can't be offended about. That's wrong and that's part

1033
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: of the problem. So please stop saying that I did

1034
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: not do anything wrong. That's not true. If you really

1035
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: want to support me, then encourage me to do better,

1036
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: and encourage those around you to do better and accept

1037
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: the change and allow others to learn and grow, because

1038
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: we need to work together on this if anything is

1039
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: going to change. So yeah, she basically, you know, it's

1040
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: a big it's a big call out to her defenders.

1041
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: Please stop telling me that what I've done is okay. Yeah,

1042
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: And and within that she's not saying it doesn't sound

1043
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: like like, hey, bully me, like destroy. You know, she's saying,

1044
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: just stop defending me like this. This wasn't okay. I

1045
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: need to be held accountable. But nobody within any of

1046
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: this conversation, Rachel ones he never said this about Chris Harrison.

1047
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: This is a good important note here. Nobody has ever said,

1048
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: uh yeah, now go in like bully the other side, like, now,

1049
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: go and destroy this. So it's like, no, hey, we

1050
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: can be held accountable. Uh. We don't have to support

1051
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: the things that have been done or the things that

1052
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: have been said, but we can give this space to

1053
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: now learning, growing and moving forward. But like nobody's been

1054
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: calling at least from what I understand, to like bully

1055
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: and destroy. Uh. I mean, I guess for lack of

1056
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: better On the other side, we'd hope that people wouldn't

1057
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Speaker 1: call for bullying as being part of the solution. Yeah,

1058
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: and then part of the solution. So well. ABC adds

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: a disclaimer this another headline to celebrity Will of Fortune. Uh,

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00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison was on the show. It was filmed a

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00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: few months ago. Uh, and so we see Chris Harrison announced,

1062
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: Pat say Jack uh introduces him and there's a disclaimer

1063
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: that runs across. Yeah, so when he's introducing him, he

1064
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: said this episode was previously recorded in December. It says

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00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: that the disclaimer comes two weeks after Harrison was announced

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00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: to be stepping aside for an unspecified amount of time

1067
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: from The Bachelor. Um. But but that's basically just like

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: this what happened? You know? I just said, like just

1069
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: letting you know that, Like, yes, we we've we've had

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00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: him step aside from after the final rose. But this

1071
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: was taped before any of this controversy. Well, obviously a

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00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: big headline that we're gonna talk about that as came

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00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: up recently. Uh, Taylor Nolan had some tweets that were

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00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: brought to the public's eye. Uh, they were hurtful, and

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring on Dr Goldcher to walk through this

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00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: with us. So let's get her on the line and

1077
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna break down what's going on with Taylor Nolan

1078
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: and her apology. The tweets that came out from Taylor

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00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: Nolan's past. We're so disturbing that we wanted to have

1080
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: on our friend Dr Hilary Golscher, who has joined this

1081
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: podcast a number of times before to talk about heavy

1082
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: subjects such as this. She's a licensed clinical psychologist with

1083
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: a private practice in Beverly Hills and she specializes in relationships, depression, anxiety, trauma, grief,

1084
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: and eating disorders. Honestly, it feels just too painful to

1085
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: read these tweets. If you, guys, do you want to

1086
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: see exactly what they say or what her apologies say.

1087
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: She had a lot of posts yesterday. You can go

1088
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: and find it online. You won't have a problem finding it.

1089
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: So I guess our first question for you is just like,

1090
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: how do we digest this? How do we navigate this?

1091
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: Especially since Taylor is somebody who over the past couple

1092
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: of weeks when race has been such a prominent topic

1093
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: in Bachelor New and she's been one out there on

1094
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: the front lines. Yeah, there are a lot of moving

1095
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: parts here, so I think we have to take it slowly.

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01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, both in this conversation and in general, as

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: we try to digest what happens here and try to

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01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: create a path to move forward that in the long

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01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: run is productive and healing. I would I would say

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: that the issue here that's coming up from me from

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01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: a psychological perspective and from the perspective of the much

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01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: larger issue that this raises around racial equality and embedded

1103
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: and outright racism is the need for accountability and the

1104
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: emergence of defensiveness and deflection that is occurring not only

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: in this scenario with Um Taylor, but also occurs daily

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01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: in the hearts and minds of people who are either

1107
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: um only slightly aware, or who are who are in

1108
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: denial about their own embedded or outright racism. So the

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01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: most important thing here, I think over time, um, after

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: the shock UM. I don't want to suggest it's going

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: to wear off, but after the phase of feeling shocked

1112
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: and outraged begins to settle to some extent, having a

1113
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: discussion about how racism stay stuck um in uh, in

1114
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: the minds and hearts of people and in our society

1115
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: because of how a defensive and deflective people can get.

1116
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a really good place for

1117
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: us to start and ultimately land is to deeply explore

1118
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: how and why that happens and how to bring ourselves

1119
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: out of that denial and defensiveness. Can we Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just for some understanding, because I said it a little

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01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: bit ago. Um. But the word that my buddy used

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: to describe this a friend of mine who have asked

1123
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: to kind of hold me accountable during this time too,

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: he says, right now feels he used the word disorienting, um,

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: which I think is a great word for this, Like

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Speaker 1: it feels disorienting because it's hard to process or understand react. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then here's the part that I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you on to help heal, to be a part of

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Speaker 1: the helping process of healing. So what is healing like? What? What?

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Speaker 1: How do would we define that? What does that look like?

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01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: How do we know we're on the path to that?

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01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: Because I would I would think that when you'd make

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Speaker 1: a statement or an apology, especially as from a sincere place,

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01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: you would want to put it through the lens of

1135
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: I want to help to heal. Yes, I think in

1136
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: in this scenario, and whether it is UM with um

1137
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: Taylor Nolan's help or not, it brings to mind the

1138
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: issue of accountability and UM. As I was saying, the

1139
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: need not to deflect and so healing has to come

1140
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: with conscious sinus around how statements like this don't have

1141
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: an exploration date. UM, we don't say slavery happened X

1142
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: number of years ago, so we don't have to think

1143
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: about it anymore. We've moved past that. UM that statements

1144
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: like that and UM embedded or outright racism hurt UM

1145
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: no matter when UM those issues come to light, and

1146
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: UM denying or deflecting that reality disallows healing and learning

1147
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: to occur. So even UM if the Bachelor Nation audience

1148
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: or those in Taylor's circle or life don't feel like UM,

1149
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: there's an acknowledgement of that. And I'm not intimately familiar

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: with all of the iterations of her statements, but we

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01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: UM as as a whole, you folks at Bachelor Nation

1152
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: and sort of society as a whole, needs to take

1153
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: this as a teaching moment that UM, while UM putting

1154
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: one self on the front line of UM advocating for

1155
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: the bipop community is amazing, wonderful, critical work. If you

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: participated UM in hateful speak prior UM making that journey known,

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01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: transparent and using yourself in spite of the shame and defensiveness,

1158
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: you might feel um, to help teach others and again

1159
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: to hold yourself accountable is a critical piece. So I

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01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: think we you know, kind of Ben you were saying,

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01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: like the sort of we. That's how we heal. We

1162
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: we find within ourselves, we find around us opportunities to

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01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: hold ourselves accountable over and over again, and to use

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Speaker 1: those that are willing to acknowledge. This is where I

1165
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: made a mistake. This is where I had a blind spot.

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Speaker 1: This is where I became defensive. This is where I

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01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 1: refused to acknowledge. This is where UM, I lost sight

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: of of my goal, UM, and the goal of of

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: of these marginalized community. If we use those moments to

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: help learn and and continue to build our foundation, then

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01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: something comes from this rather than just um, you know,

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01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: the shock and disorientation that you guys were alluding to.

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: Some people are reading these tweets, I'd say adventure to

1174
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,479
Speaker 1: say the majority people reading these tweets are thinking about

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01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy that is going on right now because she

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: has been calling for Chris Harrison to be fired very

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01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: strongly over the past few weeks. And then we realize

1178
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: that she has a past of this behavior, and you know,

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01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: she says that she's learned and grown and she's done

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Speaker 1: all the work. So she says that she's not supposed

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01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: to or that her situation is not similar to the

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01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:50,959
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison situation. That just feels inauthentic. It's understandable why

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01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot of folks are are are feeling that way.

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01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: And what's missing is the narrative. What's missing is the

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: through line. From the beginning, there was an outright acknowledgement

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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: of her past um stance as a person who casually

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01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: and publicly curled racially insensitive UM statements, UM, unceremoniously, and UM,

1188
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: the narrative is missing that acknowledge from the beginning, this

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01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: is where I came from and this is where I'm headed,

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01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: and that journey, should it have been made public from

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01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: the beginning, would be a very UM I imagine, difficult, painful,

1192
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: shame filled journey to hold up for others to see. UM.

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01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: But it would have been a pretty amazing learning opportunity

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01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: for those who followed her. And there appears to be

1195
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: some filling in the blanks now that these tweets have emerged,

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01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: a suggestion that that was the intention all along. And UM,

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01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: what's missing as the narrative. So it's it's hard to

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01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: lean into um um her her version. I don't know

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Speaker 1: her mind or heart or all the facts UM of

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01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: her situation, but it's understandable that people feel like, UM,

1201
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: there's a very big missing piece. And to speak so

1202
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: publicly now about those that have also found themselves challenged

1203
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: in the face of statements UM that are not aligned

1204
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: with supporting our bipop community, UM would feel um uh

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01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: disoriented and offended. So it makes sense and UM in

1206
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: terms of healing and dealing with that piece of it,

1207
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: perhaps an expanded version of her narrative will unveil itself

1208
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: over time as she comes to terms with UM. You

1209
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: know this process because I would, I would guess and

1210
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: and this isn't even specific to Taylor per Se. I

1211
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: don't know her story enough, as I've said a couple

1212
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: of times, but I think as as folks go through

1213
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: the process of healing from um uh from adopting racist views,

1214
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: there remain a lot of blind spots. And a blind

1215
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: spot was exposed here right UM the idea that somehow,

1216
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: if there was an expiration date on these UH statements

1217
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: and tweets, that it's okay or they don't need to

1218
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: be acknowledged or um, that's somehow she's on the other

1219
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: side of of something right and and and those reveal

1220
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: pretty significant blind spots in her process and in all,

1221
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: in the process of all folks who are trying to

1222
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: unlearn these hateful ideas are blind spots. So this could

1223
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 1: be an incredible learning experience if she's able to acknowledge

1224
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: that truth. She hasn't yet is my understanding and the

1225
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,799
Speaker 1: statements that she's made, And that's why so many folks

1226
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: are sitting so uneasily around how this is unfolding. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to go through these tweets

1228
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: and you know, give them any lights. But in them

1229
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: she wasn't just putting down people of color, but also

1230
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: gay people, rape victims, Jews, even redheads. She really offended

1231
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: so many groups. Yeah, yeah, thank you for reminding me

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01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: that there were there were groups outside of the bibox

1233
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: community that were impacted. Yes, that's right. Can I chat

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01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: with you a second, try to explain where I'm at

1235
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: in this UM author and speaker Carlos Whittaker speaks about

1236
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: that he is in the UH, that his job is

1237
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 1: focused on hope, that the only reason he does. Carlos

1238
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:47,480
Speaker 1: Whittaker is a speaker who shares incredible insight on on racism,

1239
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: of u s history, of his relationship, and his desire

1240
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: to love others. Well, he's an encouragers. He's really fantastic

1241
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: and he just came out and he's like, I I

1242
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: am in uh the interest of uh spreading hope. And

1243
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: so he talks about recently what happens when an apology

1244
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: is made because um, he and I when I'm trying

1245
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:14,480
Speaker 1: to say this clear uh he he goes into it saying, hey, uh,

1246
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: who are we like can we accept these apologies these

1247
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: statements that are being thrown out there after somebody messes up?

1248
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: Because if somebody makes a statement I, because of the

1249
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: way he wants to uh see people, he has to

1250
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,799
Speaker 1: accept it like that that he doesn't have an option

1251
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: not to accept it. It's very interesting his his perspective

1252
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: on that. And so okay, so let me get to

1253
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: the point here. We sit there with a uh with

1254
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: a statement like Taylor Nolan, she says what she says,

1255
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: there's not really an apology. It feels uh it's still

1256
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: like you said, it still feels like it's highlighting blind spots.

1257
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: Um but ultimately, I don't have an interest in seeing

1258
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: anybody get destroyed. It doesn't make my life any more interesting,

1259
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't make my life any better. And so I

1260
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: sit in a place like I want to and not

1261
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: even that I'm in a place to except that my

1262
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: mom is a rape victim. So I guess I do

1263
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a say, and you know, saying, hey,

1264
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: this offended me, Like this isn't okay, Like this is

1265
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: a big deal to me. But even if I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a place where that was personally offensive to me,

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Speaker 1: I still want to see somebody be able to apologize

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Speaker 1: and move forward. So within that, how do we do that,

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01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: and how do we do that? Well, when can we

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Speaker 1: do that? What's healthy for us? What does help us heal?

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Speaker 1: Because right now, all these statements are being asked to

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01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: be made, they're being made, some are being accepted, some aren't.

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01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: There's not a clear reason why some are and some aren't.

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01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes there is, like in this case, how do we

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: participate in that? I'm so glad you asked that question,

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: because I think this whole culture around cancel culture is

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: energy that could be so much better utilized. So while

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 1: we spin our wheels about whether or not someone should

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01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: be canceled, whether or not she should lose followers, or

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01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: lose endorsements, or not have clients, etcetera. We are missing

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: the most important thing that we should be talking about,

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:11,520
Speaker 1: which is that racism is deeply embedded in our culture

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: and casually utilized amongst many segments of our population. And

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: so the where the life and world of Taylor Nolan

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01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: resides moving forward will resolve itself, will sort itself out.

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01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 1: People will or won't continue to follow her, or will

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01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: or won't forgive her, and I think either is okay. Um,

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: I just um encourage listeners not to spend a great

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01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: percentage of their time on that particular question because it

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: is so much less relevant than the core issue. Having

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01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: said that, I acknowledge the world and which we live

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01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: and um specifically the world of Bachelor Nation, where that

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: will be batted about quite a bit. So I would

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01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:13,440
Speaker 1: say this, Um, we foreclose an opportunity for deep, painful

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01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: discussions if we uh, if we don't listen to each other,

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: and we foreclosed an opportunity for people to explore blind spots,

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: we foreclose an opportunity for people to move forward to

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: a better place in their life? What more do we

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: want UM in terms of our goal to UM to

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01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:41,480
Speaker 1: mitigate and eventually eliminate racism and marginalization of of underrepresented communities,

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: but for people who UM our oppressors to understand the

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: pain and hurt they've been causing and to change their

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: stance and to move to another place in life. So

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01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: if Taylor or anyone in her situation UM demonstrate over

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: time a willingness and an ability to do that in

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: a vulnerable, open, real way, I think it would be

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: a disservice to dismiss that. So perhaps that helps UM

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: guide your listeners and and then in terms of what

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01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: you were getting at maybe on a more UM like

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: existential UM psychological level. To live UM with hate and

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:30,480
Speaker 1: anger in our hearts UM disallows us from participating in

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: in community and for participation and participating in ultimate healing.

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01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: We want our time and energy energy to be focused

1314
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: on folks that are forward moving and doing the really

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: really hard work and UM. If that includes Taylor as

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01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: this unfolds, that's wonderful. And if it doesn't, then there's

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01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: there's other places for work to be done. It's just

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01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: it's UH you as you say something. It's It reminds

1319
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: me that the new host for Afrofuna Rose Emmanuel Acho

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: has a show in titled Uncomfortable Conversations with the Black Man,

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01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: meaning that was the path that he believed would bring healing,

1322
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: understanding and accountability in the healthiest of ways, is having

1323
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: those uncomfortable, hard, painful conversations, but that he thought it

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01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: could be worth it. And that's you know, like I

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: said about you know, my mom's story, Like that's how

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01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 1: we got to a place where I could say that openly.

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: It still hurts. It doesn't feel good right, and there's

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01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: still moments where like this where like that that's a

1329
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: big thing to throw around and like that hurts and

1330
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: triggers and me something enormous. But yet now I'm willing

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: in and if we could, we'd sit down and we

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01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: talk and say this is why that hurts me. Can

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: we can we get to a place of understanding the

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01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: pain And maybe she already knows that. I don't know,

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: but um I would assume at least maybe we could

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01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: have the uncomfortable conversation to get better. And you know,

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01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 1: and instead of right now, it kind of feels like

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: the conversation doesn't exist. That's kind of scary, yes, And

1339
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: so maybe moments like this fill us with a new

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01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: kind of courage to confront those things within ourselves, you know,

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01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: even even our own And I don't mean to equate, um,

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01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to say even our own blind spots. I

1343
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: don't mean to equate it in the way I was

1344
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: using it before. But you know, saying is is that

1345
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: it unveils our own discomforts, our own blind spots, um,

1346
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: the parts of us that are afraid to sit in

1347
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: the middle of messy. And this is really really messy.

1348
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: And I think that our our reactions to it and

1349
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: the community's reactions to it are understandable, and we don't

1350
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: have to um dismiss those feelings or pretend that they're

1351
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: not there. I think that's kind of a process that uh,

1352
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: that will pull for anger and um and uh some

1353
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: grief and sadness, and all of those things are appropriate.

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01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: I think we just want to ask ourselves at the

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01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: at somewhere in that process is who do we want

1356
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: to be in the face of messy? Who do we

1357
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: want to be in the face when things are are

1358
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: tricky an e and ugly? Who do we want to

1359
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: be in the world. And so if we want to

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: be someone who just sits and lingers and sort of

1361
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 1: the anger and the hate and the stuckness, UM, that

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01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: that's one path to take. And if we want to

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: be someone's like how can I continue continue to excavate

1364
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: um these complications, these hypocrisies, these nuances of this journey

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01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: towards UM, towards inclusion, right, Because I don't think it's

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01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: untrue that Taylor Nolan has has done work on behalf

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: of some of these communities and has had UM love

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: and care in her heart. I'm sure that's not true,

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: not untrue. But also alongside of that are clearly some

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: um other difficult, painful, destructive feelings that either existed in

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: the past are still alongside her in the form of

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01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: like denial UM or UM in the form of dismissiveness

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01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: or defensiveness. And so UM all these things can coexist, right,

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01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: We can be good and that we can be like

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01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: um um sort of um awakened and and and still

1376
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: in denial. We can all be all of those things,

1377
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: and so UM if we can live in that in

1378
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: between space together, I think that's one of the ways

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01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: that we all bring ourselves like kind of as a community,

1380
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: as a world towards healing. Doctor girls are some of

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01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: these tweets. They they can be destructive. If there are

1382
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: somebody reading it, they may like really take them to heart.

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: What do you have as far as advice on that.

1384
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: It's understandable that UM, lots of folks from lots of

1385
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: different walks of life could read those tweets and feel triggered.

1386
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: And so first I want to offer compassion and empathy

1387
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: and understanding. If people feel that way, UM, why wouldn't you?

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01:18:53,160 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: Those are UM hateful and quite triggering sentiments. So UM

1389
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: relying on your support systems, whether that's family and friends, UM,

1390
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: UH therapists if they're in your life, and if something

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01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: feels UM uncontained and triggers UM, something that feels intense

1392
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: and unrelenting UM, to reach out for professional support. I

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01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: know there was a tweet around UM, and I call

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01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: this out not because it's more important than the others,

1395
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: but because it happens to hit in my area of

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01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: expertise around mental health UM, something around the treatment of

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: personality disorders and UM the word suicide UM, which are

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01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 1: incredibly triggering, powerful, painful sentiments to put out there, so

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01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: UM for those UM in UM vaster nation, for those

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01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: UM in our country, UM in the world that are

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01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: dealing with suffering from struggling with UM mental health disorders.

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: UM uh knowing UM that UM there is help and

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01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: support and hope surrounding you, and that sentiments like that

1404
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: UM come from a lack of knowledge, ignorance, fear, anxiety,

1405
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: UM and and probably some internalized hopelessness. And UM I

1406
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: recognize that the word suicide is a pretty powerful word

1407
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: to appear on a tweet and to appear in any

1408
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: conversation UM that feels somehow casual. So I just want

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01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: to encourage listeners UM if they were triggered upon reading

1410
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: that and any of the other tweets, but with this

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01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: one in particular, and it brings about any feelings UM suicidal, suicidal, ideation, etcetera,

1412
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,879
Speaker 1: to reach out to your support network. You are not alone.

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01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: And UM always such beautiful, extensive expanse of help in

1414
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: the mental health world that's available for the many many

1415
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: that struggle. Thank you so much for being here once

1416
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:16,879
Speaker 1: again to help us navigate through this. Bye bye bye UM.

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01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: Just to wrap up this conversation, it was announced that

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01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: Taylor will be doing a long form conversation on this,

1419
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: but at the time of our recording, this is what

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01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: we had. I believe that you might be releasing a

1421
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: podcast tomorrow, which will be Tuesday, March two. So this

1422
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: is a conversation that we will continue to discuss over

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01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: the next few weeks. All right, Well, actually we have

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01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: a few more headlines here to the big week A

1425
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: headlines a long episode of Bachelor headlines. Um, but we

1426
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: have some relationship headlines that we need to talk about.

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01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 1: The first one is one that looks promising. I guess

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01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: all of them are promising. They're all pretty good, but

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01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: this one talks ab out Claire and Dale's p D

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01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: A H and also what their future plans are. So

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01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: we talked about last week how the two of them

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01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: were spotted in Florida holding hands by the pool. There

1433
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: were even a couple of people who were congratulating a

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01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: couple on their reconciliation. Now A sources telling E News

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01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: that Claire and Dale have been taken, have been having

1436
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,839
Speaker 1: long talks and are making plans for their future together.

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01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: They both want to make it work. Claire visiting him

1438
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: in Florida really sealed the deal for her, she's apparently

1439
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: completely spitting again, and we'll do whatever it takes to

1440
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: to make it work between the two of them. This

1441
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: is very interesting. Uh, these are the only problem that

1442
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,560
Speaker 1: they foresee is where they will spend the majority of

1443
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: their time because they live on opposite coasts. She and

1444
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: Sacramento and him, well, I don't bouncing between Florida and

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01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: New York. Um. But they are continuing to make plans

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01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: to see each other and continue to date. They had

1447
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: a really great week together in Florida, the sources saying,

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01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: and they are already acting like they're back together. That's

1449
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: really awesome. I'm really excited for them. I'm sure it

1450
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: won't become public, you know, on their instagrams or whatnot

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: for a while, and they're probably going to keep this

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01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: private as long as they can. It's uh, it's a

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01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: big headline. A lot going on. Well I didn't even

1454
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:29,839
Speaker 1: notice the thing, but the Bachelor ats Caitlin Bristow denies

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01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 1: that she's broken up with boyfriend Jason Tardick. This is

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01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: a headline according to people, It was really silly. People

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01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: totally over analyzed an Instagram post she she posted a

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01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: picture in the background has like hearts, like little like

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01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: conversation hearts that you would get on Valentine's Day. One

1460
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: says let's go girls, another one says bless something, uh,

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01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: and then the other one says babe, you know whatever.

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01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: And then there's one that says single a f And

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01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: people thought that she was trying to hint that they

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01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: had broken up, and she says, uh no, if you

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01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: if you pull away, and you would see how many

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01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: hearts there were in that background. One of them also

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01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: says engaged a f uh. So she said, so then

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01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: they really they tried to like they try to clarify

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: things for the audience on Instagram. Then it kind of

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01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: confused to move and more. She said, Jason, are we engaged?

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01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: And then he said no. But then he said are

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01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: we broken up? And she said no. Bottom line is

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01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: Jason and Caitlin are still very happy together. There you go. Well,

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01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: another couple that has to come out and say they're

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01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: happy together is Tasia Adams and Zach Clark. She says,

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Speaker 1: and the quote is it's not a normal relationship. This

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Speaker 1: according to US Weekly because people were wondering if they

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Speaker 1: had called it done. She says, we're dating right now

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Speaker 1: while being engaged. It's on a normal relationship. We do

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Speaker 1: bicker and fight, but at the time it's good. She says.

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Speaker 1: It's on her first rodeo. You know, she's she's been divorced,

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Speaker 1: so she wants to keep her place in in southern

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Speaker 1: California while also going back and forth dating Zack. I

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Speaker 1: get that she had to move in back with her

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Speaker 1: parents once her first marriage ended, and she doesn't really

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Speaker 1: want to do that again. God forbid. If something happens

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Speaker 1: to their relationship, it would it would be shocking, to

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Speaker 1: say the least. Well. Final headline is this, and this

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Speaker 1: is one that we just wanted to update everybody on

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Speaker 1: Bachelor's Ryan Seater returns to the gym amid mystery illness battle.

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Speaker 1: His quote is doing my best to get back to

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Speaker 1: my best. This according to US Weekly, Well, it's still

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Speaker 1: a mystery illness. But he thinks Tristaph are always being

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Speaker 1: his rock, his best friend, his hero, his love um,

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Speaker 1: even though you know he's really struggling through this mystery illness.

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Speaker 1: But he is back in the gym, taking it day

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Speaker 1: by day, trying do his best. It's really horrible, so sad,

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Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? It's been months since

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Speaker 1: we first updated everybody on that, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: but it's uh, it's still going on. Our thoughts are

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Speaker 1: still with Ryan and Trista and their family. Um, but

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Speaker 1: he's doing his best. Well. Actually, that's all the headlines

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Speaker 1: we have for you today. It was a long episode

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Speaker 1: with a lot of headlines, but there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: And we want to thank Jordan Davis for coming on.

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Speaker 1: We want to thank Dr Gouldcher for continuing to come

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Speaker 1: on and walk through these things with us. And I

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Speaker 1: want to thank Ashley for always coming on and hanging

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Speaker 1: out and being here. Come on, hey, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being the articulate one than Thank you for being wonderful

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Speaker 1: and leading and guiding this podcasts, and you guys, thank

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Speaker 1: you to our producers and editors because they are fantastic

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Speaker 1: as well. Until next week, I've been Ashley and I've

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Speaker 1: been been followed the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous

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