1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: H m hmm. I want to apologize for the sun glaring, 2 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: because the sun is setting where I'm at, so it's 3 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: I got bright like well, it makes me a look 4 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: bit more a little heavenly or a little angelic. Hopefully 5 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: for the topic at hand, it will hopefully have more 6 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: of angelic tones and overture opentures. Okay, I'm going to 7 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: pass the cat and kick it off and introduce and 8 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about it, and then I'll launch 9 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: into my into without further pat the capping. Please, Hi, 10 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: you guys. I know a lot of you guys know me, 11 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: and you're probably like, oh my gosh, she really wears 12 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: a column. Yeah, I do. I wanted to live professional. 13 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: I even put a little makeup for feel. But I 14 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: want to welcome all of you here, and a lot 15 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: of us have been getting together and we've all been talking. 16 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: A lot of you have been out protesting and trying 17 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: to learn to come together in solidarity, not just on 18 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: the issue of black lives, but all of the things 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: that a lot of us are just we've just gotten 20 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: to a place where we're dissatisfied, you know, And I 21 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: think we can all agree about that. But a lot 22 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: of them hinge on the racial climate, because black people 23 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: are more likely to be unhoused, Black people are more 24 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: likely to have COVID, so forth and so on. And 25 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to take away from theos thundered. He 26 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: invited you here tonight to meet, as he always says, 27 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: in the light of understanding. And we'd also like for 28 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: everybody to remember that this is the light of respect. 29 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: This is the light where we all want to be heard, 30 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: where we want you to be able to feel safe 31 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: and honest. If someone comes in here and disrespects you, 32 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: just hit me out. I'll get the kne out and 33 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: pull them off. Stay. And carrin Hoe is also hosting 34 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: with us, and what she's going to try to keep 35 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: up with because we don't know how big this can get. 36 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: She's going to try to keep up with raised hands 37 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: after THEO is given, and then she will unmute you 38 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: so you can speak, because I ain't gonna be able 39 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: to keep up with y'all. So what I would like 40 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: you guys to do is to listen to THEO brings 41 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: us together, and then he'll open the floor and I 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: will ask you all to come and meet together with 43 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: us in the light of understanding and remember this is 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: not the life of chaos. Okay, God, lets you all. 45 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: Let's get started, y'all. Thank you, Pastor Kevin. I want 46 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: to start off with something where many people all have 47 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: heard of him. He stated this, Doctor King said, people 48 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: hate each other because they fear each other, and they 49 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: fear each other, and because they don't know each other, 50 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: and because they are not communicated, and they don't communicate 51 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: because they're not connected. Meeting with the light of understanding 52 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: is the opportunity to connect with one another and to 53 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: speak honestly about very thorny issues that we might not 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: mention in polite society. To that end, I want to 55 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: also talk about some uncomfortable questions and how it relates 56 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: to being a house and as a person of color, 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: as a black person. There are certain things that we 58 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: need to make a note of. For example, African Americans 59 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: is over forty percent likely to unhoused of the population 60 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: that we have, and it's much that we also have 61 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the higher incidences of police reports, police brutality instances, as 62 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: well as the response on how people look at African 63 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: Americans or Black Americans in the lights when they are 64 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: seeing and not to be conforming to suppose that standards. 65 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: And so I'm going to open up with a very 66 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: softball question, and I want to say, do you think 67 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: there is a link between belief brutality and houselessness and 68 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: what does that look like? And please raise your hand 69 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: or however you want to do it again when we 70 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: have the ability to mute other people so you can 71 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: get your boys hurt. And I'm willing to hear some 72 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: insights or and some takes on that. Harry, Yeah, Harry's 73 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: has his hand up. I'm not sure if I see 74 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: a link. I'm not out in the encampments, like you know, 75 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: like some folks here, like Kathy to actually witness very 76 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: often what is going on out there. But you know, 77 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: I almost feel like homelessness or unhousedness is maybe one 78 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: place where in regards to the police, it may be 79 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: colorblind that because they seem to not at least from 80 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: what I hear, to not really discriminate as far as 81 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: you know who the people are. They just see them 82 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: as unhoused that they don't want there, and they harass 83 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: them during sweeps and whatnot. So I'm not sure if 84 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: I see that link, but I can't say it from 85 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: an educated point of view, because only because I haven't 86 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: witnessed it interesting, DQ is on stock, So I'll go 87 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: ahead and mute and mute him. Thanks. I don't want 88 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: to get to in a way. I'll just say I'm 89 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: a member of street Watch with THEO. And something that 90 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: comes to mind is of what our friend Aspen was 91 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: just talking about. Is there there is police brutality often 92 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: used in sweeps and especially in interactions where it's not 93 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: being filmed or observed by anyone but those living in encampments. 94 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: And I feel like a common story too that comes 95 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: to mind, and I'll get out of the way is 96 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: especially our female identifying comrades who are out there on 97 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: the street who have not been believed on a call 98 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: to the police about domestic abuse, and it's often blamed 99 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: the other way on the person being abused. So those 100 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: are two things that come to mind with police brutality, 101 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: either driving or perpetuating or causing homelessness. Thanks. Just to 102 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: give you some background, there is a higher Hannah. Hannah 103 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: is yeah, I am a I'm a. I have to 104 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: think a little bit before raising my hand, but yeah, 105 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: I feel like police brutality is an animal all its 106 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: own and it just goes after the most vulnerable or 107 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: the people who they feel like have the least power. 108 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: So in that case, I do feel like there is 109 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: definitely a link between people who are experiencing homelessness and 110 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: police brutality. I mean, I'm from Seattle originally, and so 111 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: there's like all these sweeps happening, and it's and it's 112 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: absolutely violent and brutal. The people's belongings are being trashed 113 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: and their houses are being or their shelters are being destroyed. 114 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: So there is absolutely some sort of like I don't know, 115 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: because some kind of like disease happening within the police 116 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: who are treating humans this way. So I feel like 117 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: it's masically mostly I guess the structure of the police itself, 118 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: where it's mostly enforcing out of the protection of capital 119 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: and like home values, property values and whatnot, and so 120 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: it's like taking out on people who are experiencing homelessness. 121 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: So those are some thoughts. I had to thank you. 122 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been following and I 123 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: wanted to say is that many people believe like we 124 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: all are equal when we are unhoused, and that is 125 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: not exactly true. In fact, if you see the records 126 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: or the incitations or the arrest records, you will see, Uh, 127 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: there's a higher rate of unhoused black people that have 128 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: been cited or over criminalized than conversely are white on 129 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: housed residents. This is not to say that they don't 130 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: receive police harassment, but we but but the records speak 131 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: for himself, and it lends a belief system that it's 132 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: color blind. Police relief brutality is colorblind, and that is 133 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: just simply not the case. One of the difficulties of 134 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: reason why maybe not of it. It's not always reported, 135 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: and I can only speak I can speak for my 136 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: own and personal experience. It is because I'm an African 137 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: American person and I'm not I'm not believed when I 138 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: experienced the brutality, where conversely, if a person maybe white, 139 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: they can probably go a little further or things could 140 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: get a little bit more uh resolved, if they were 141 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: to make a complaint. I have another question, and this 142 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: one kind of delves into a little bit personally. How 143 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: has the proach? Oh, Patacafe has something before Michael o'sha 144 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: is unstacked. Oh, yes, go ahead, Mike, I'm sorry I 145 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: didn't see it. Yeah, I just wanted to speak speak 146 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: to what what what you just said there THEO. I 147 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: know a lot of times those of us who are 148 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: trying to engage the house community to build the bridges 149 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: of understanding, there's a great misconception between of this concept 150 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: of a good houseless person and a bad houseless person. 151 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: And I think it's important to understand where where racial 152 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: perceptions feed into that, and where those biases play into 153 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: this notion of who is a worthy story and who 154 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: is not have a worthy story anyone else? Ah, Harry Again, 155 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: this is a question based on what I'm hearing so far. 156 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: At the Interface Solidarity Network of which I'm a board member, 157 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: we actually just had a discussion recently about you know, 158 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: trying our best when we're having conversation to you know, 159 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: to be respectful and to use words that are respectful 160 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: and to say the right thing. And I'm noticing tonight 161 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: the term houseless. And you know, I've used the term 162 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: unhoused quite a bit in the last few months, and 163 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: before that, you know, we we said homeless. Is this, uh, 164 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: is houseless kind of a new term that's that's making 165 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: its way that's more respectful or is that is that 166 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: just another another term that's out there. Well, I'm going 167 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: to uh, I'm going to say, give me the explanation 168 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: why I'm staying on house and houseless because some people 169 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: also use structurally challenge, some are using house insecure is 170 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: because there's a movement because too often and not people 171 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: are putting the labels on us, and we are trying 172 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: to create an agency that is a little bit more 173 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: uh proactive as well as less uh finger wagging or 174 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: negative like for example, transient police love to use that, 175 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: and I see that in some communities that disdain on 176 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: house people. Secondly, the another one is hobo or vagrant. 177 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: It always has a tinge of criminality to you. So 178 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: in so far as when when I say I'm on 179 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: house is because I do not have a place, and 180 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: I've had a place to say, I can also say 181 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: structurally challenge are houseless. But there are some unhoused or 182 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: homeless people that like the term homeless because it's okay. 183 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: It's just like one of the similarities of what they 184 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: call black or African American. This is an evolution of 185 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: communication and evolution of thought about how we want to 186 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: be recognized and thought of. So we just wanted to 187 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: kind of add a little bit of perspective that we 188 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: see here in Studio City and building on what Michael 189 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: said in answer to your awesome question, theo that a 190 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: lot of the police police brutality is also built on 191 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: as Michael was saying, you know, people's perception of the 192 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: in house population, and a lot of that comes down 193 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: to a predominantly white neighborhood also racially profiling people and 194 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: are more likely to call the police on a black, 195 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: unhoused person than they are on a white on house person. Yeah, 196 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: in respect to your comment on police brutality and the link, 197 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, when our laws are set up in a 198 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: way that we are making people's existence basically illegal or 199 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: poverty illegal, you know you're dealing with an inherent increased 200 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: police presence around that. And along with an increased police 201 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: presence can come more police brutality. So it's kind of 202 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: a maybe not a one to two step, but it's 203 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: definitely on its way. Very well put, because recently the 204 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: LA Times have included a twenty six percent increase in 205 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: the use of force. I want you to put that 206 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: in mind in the light of like what Officer Derek Shavin, 207 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Michael Gerson, and Freddie Gray. He may not have been 208 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: on house, but he certainly seemed to be housed and 209 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: secure because he's selling loose cigarettes. So there is definitely 210 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: a link to to this that is over overlooked because 211 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: I've seen white unhoused people being to be sure, may 212 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: be hassled, but it's never to the extent for example 213 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: of unhoused African Americans. I can speak for my example 214 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: when I one night for sleeping, they rousted majority of 215 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: the young housed African Americans on one side of the 216 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: street and there was maybe three white unhoused people on it, 217 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: maybe being evolved them. We had to get up from 218 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: our things, we had to be padded down, our name 219 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: had to be through the database, and that took over 220 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: like forty five to forty five to fifty minutes at 221 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: two thirty in the morning. And after that we were told, 222 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, we need to extricate extra area, leave the area, 223 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: and so barren lies. Uh, the reality of it, and 224 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: those white on house were still there and they were 225 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: not touched at all. So right, I wanted to speak 226 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: to two questions and he really brief to Harry about 227 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: I agree with theo. It's like people ask you do 228 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: I call you African American or black or whatever. I'm like, 229 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: what is your heart's intention? But I think that the 230 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: one thing that I've heard people who are on house 231 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: say is that they don't like to be called that homeless, 232 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: Like I've did it like council Meetia and people like 233 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: that homeless hit me or that homeless you know. I 234 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: mean you could say, you know, a homeless person did this, 235 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: or a person who's on the house did that. I 236 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: like the way everyone in describes it as people who 237 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: are experiencing homelessness, and it's really become a part of 238 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: my vernacular. So I think it depends on the heart, 239 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, and you know how how we describe people. 240 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: Then I wanted to speak to your other question THEO 241 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: and also to what Steph me and Bryan said, is 242 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: that because I work in the West Valley, I don't 243 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: work on skidro so me seeing a black person to 244 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: serve as far and few between. So I serve a 245 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: lot of people who are white and some that are Hispanic, 246 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: but mostly white, and they do go through police brutality, 247 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: but I haven't seen like brutal beatings and some of 248 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: the stuff that we've witnessed happen, you know, to the unhoused, 249 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: you know in La proper So. But they they are harassed. 250 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: They're waking up at four and five in the morning 251 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: and saying, you know, you have thirty minutes or fifteen 252 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: minutes to get your stuff and whatever you can't carry, 253 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be bulldozed away. But it's a different 254 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: kind of harassment. Do they die, Yeah, they may die 255 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: from exposure or some of the bad laws, but you 256 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure people have died of police brutality and vigilanteism. 257 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: But that's all I wanted to say about that. Ken 258 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: Ross has a question before I go into the next Hi, everybody, 259 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: this is the first time attending this meeting. I want 260 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: to thank Kathy for inviting me. I just had a 261 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: very general question. I apologize for my ignorance, but I 262 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: want to know is this a forum for discussion or 263 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: is this an action type group? Now, this is meeting 264 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: in a light of understanding where we have a discussion 265 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: and ask the hard question with people that have witnessed 266 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: the protests, as well as wanting to further the conversation 267 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: of helplessness among African Americans or Black Americans in the country. Okay, 268 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: so you don't deal basically with council files. Let's say 269 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: to try to make some changes for the unhoused. That's 270 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: not something that's a consideration, because that's what I would 271 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: be interested in trying to This meeting is just like 272 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: it could be like a town hall. Most of us 273 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: don't even know each other. I just wanted to bring 274 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: with you know, you have the white community, you have 275 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: people who want to be anti racist, and you have 276 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, people who want to know what they can do. YadA, YadA, YadA. 277 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: So he go on. You can explain it. We're not 278 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: we're not a club, we're not a group, we're not 279 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: an organization, and we're not we're not. Many of us 280 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: in this group, to be sure, are activists and we 281 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: do different direct actions. But this is not the purpose 282 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: of this meeting. This meeting is a meeting in the 283 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: line of understanding where we have honest, hard conversations about 284 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: this thorny issue, which is race. Which leads me up 285 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: to the next question is how has the protest. Yes, 286 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: doctor Ran, just to interject, thank you to you. Just 287 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: to interject here to Ken Ross the cis you're talking 288 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: about community impact statement is specifically only just for neighborhood 289 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: council system of which I know you're a part of. 290 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to let you know that. I mean, 291 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: I just found out today that there's that there's a 292 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: bill that was introduced in the Assembly against chokeholds, So 293 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's purview to something. Well, that's 294 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: I could follow up to the question I have here, 295 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: how has the protest the fact that everyone personally Catherine 296 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: McKinney has a comment, Yes, thank you for holding this form. Yeah, 297 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: this is great. I have just a couple of things 298 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: that have been running through my mind. Okay, first thought 299 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: is the Loss just announced via Twitter that they're going 300 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: to come out with their homeless numbers within I think 301 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: a few days, and you're you know, we're gonna see 302 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna get bombarded with information about and it's going 303 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: to be real per you know, it's going to be 304 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: written about, it's going to be talked about, it's going 305 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: to be debated. There's going to be like a lot 306 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: of information coming out soon about the new homeless count 307 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm my, my just thought off the top of my head. 308 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why it came to me. In this forum. 309 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: But I feel like LASA spends way too much time 310 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: on these homeless counts, and they really like to pack 311 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: themselves on the back, and I mean just it's an 312 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: immense amount of time spent on doing running, getting the 313 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: count and then taleling up the information and running it 314 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: through academia and then pushing it out, and it's like 315 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: are we even getting, like what is there any bang 316 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: for our buck? I feel like that all that time 317 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: and energy could be better spent helping people, and that's 318 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: all I want to say. Thank you for that, Kathy. 319 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: I think there's a two sides of that they probably 320 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: want to have. And I'm not just the fight loss 321 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: because I have issues with it, but they also, in 322 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: order for us to make an educated conversation about the 323 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: unhouseless crisis, which I'm there, say that they're going to 324 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: probably explode due to the COVID nineteen and the lack 325 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: of intome. We're talking about approximately over one hundred and 326 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: twenty thousand people that are in houses will be hitting 327 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: the streets very soon. So I think they're trying to 328 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: get the heart numbers as quick as we possibly can 329 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: in order for I think the city in some respect 330 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: just pick the issue of houselessness very seriously and to 331 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: move away from some of the deleteria's ideas that people 332 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: think about on housed people. I would like to change 333 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: tax for a moment, and I wanted to ask people 334 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: how has the protest affected you personally? And I want 335 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: us to be honest and to really think about that. 336 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: How have these protests affected us? And everyone speaking once? 337 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 1: Oh been too about yeah, so good evening. Yeah, So 338 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean just personally as a black man, you know, 339 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm also just a worker, right, I'm a 340 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: guy who's an employee at a company. And uh but 341 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, so unfortunately, I myself haven't been able to 342 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: be out there kind of engaging in that on the 343 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: street activism myself. So I can only say that I 344 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: appreciate everybody who's been out there protesting, because my heart 345 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: is with a thousand. You know, we've still got people 346 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: on the internet using, uh, using black Lives Matters initials BLM, 347 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: and you know, still saying this is a quote unquote 348 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: terrorist group. You know that that thought, that thinking is 349 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: out there when literally the purpose of the hashtag and 350 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: the movement black Lives Matter is in the name it's 351 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: so it's so obvious, but you know, I think I 352 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: think we've hit a watershed moment and you know, people 353 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: are finally there's enough momentum behind the movement that people 354 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: are starting to get it in terms of like from 355 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: a mainstream perspective. So without the protests, without on the 356 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: street activism, without without that, I think you wouldn't be 357 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: here where you know people are now, you know, kind 358 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: of like joining jumping on the bandwagon to to you know, 359 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: show that they're not racist and show that they they 360 00:23:55,119 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: believe that black lives matter, because you know, in the 361 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: end of the day, at the end of the day, 362 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: the protests, the movement, it's about freaking humanity, you know, 363 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: it's about saving lives where the lives that were being 364 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: taken were kind of being swept under the rug. Well 365 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: fit and to thank you for that. Joanna was the 366 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: first and then Hannah's second on deck. Hey can you 367 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: guys hear me? Yes? Joanna? Hello, Happy, I fea. I 368 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: want to echope into just the obnoxious reality that people 369 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: are using a phrase like black lives matter or anti 370 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: fascist as a weapon against community organizers. It's pretty telling 371 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: of like who we're up against. But in that led, 372 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen a lot of my kind 373 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: of non politicized white friends like joining and maybe for 374 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: their first time really seeing police brutality in a way 375 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: that they hadn't as privileged folks in this society. And yeah, 376 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: some of that is probably disingenuous, and like you know, 377 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: like I've seen a lot of b lms very painted 378 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: on stores that are you know, complicit and gentrification and criminalization, 379 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: but just seeing a different kind of signing on from 380 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: the like silent majority or whatever. Then we've saw during Ferguson, 381 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: for example, like some form of understanding that's growing and 382 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: a lot of more work to do, but it's pretty 383 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: interesting when you see like just normy white people recognize 384 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: what a killer cop looks like. Kind of was next. 385 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Johanna. Yes, Hi. So for myself, 386 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm in Asian American and some of this discussion really 387 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: brings about a lot of conversations by anti blackness within 388 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: the Asian community. And I was really involved with Andrew 389 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: Yane's campaign, so I got to know a lot of 390 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: people who were previously not politically active and now they're 391 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, all over my Facebook feed now and just 392 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: having to have some really difficult conversations with them about 393 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: what this means, and like people nitpicking at the term 394 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: defund the police, you know, and and just really getting 395 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: into these tough conversations with people. So it's been nice 396 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: to get into that dialogue. I mean, some people are 397 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: like they're just not getting it. They obviously have like 398 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: a position and they're not going to change, uh. But 399 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: there are others who, you know, you can push a 400 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: little bit toward in the right direction, and others where 401 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: I feel, I guess more solidarity. It's like, oh, hey, 402 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: you and I are on the same page. So it's 403 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: been it's it's been a spectrum of I don't know, 404 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: figuring out what my relationships are with people, and also 405 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: wanted to get more involved. But yeah, and also at 406 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: the same time, I'm not talking to my parents because 407 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: of this, Like they've been ignoring me for the past 408 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: week because they don't truly understand why this is happening 409 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: and why I need to be involved in this way. 410 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of interesting conversations happening in 411 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: the Asian American community. Thank you. It takes a true 412 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: courage to have the most difficult conversation with people close 413 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: to us. I find myself it's a lot difficult sometimes 414 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: to have the issues of being housed with my families 415 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: then my friends, because you have a certain detachment. So 416 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: if you have love and almost family duty or those 417 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: kinds of issues that crop up, it's become exceedingly very 418 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: difficult to try to educate the older, older generation. And 419 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: sometimes Harry is next, Yes, I'm unmuted. Oh, okay, okay, 420 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: So you asked our thoughts on the demonstrations. You know, 421 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: you and I had a short conversation maybe yesterday about, 422 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: you know, about the marches out there, and you know, 423 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: we both kind of agreed that, you know, a march 424 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: is really just a parade, and a parade really doesn't 425 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: get you know, a whole lot changed. Now, I think 426 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: you know that there are advantages, you know, to the 427 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: demonstrations and marches, you know, one of which is showing 428 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: that there is a large amount of people from across 429 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: the country that see this as a problem, and it's 430 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: good to recognize that that there are a lot of 431 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: people that are interested in change. Also, perhaps it's an 432 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to for people that don't know each other to 433 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: have a conversation during these marches and get to know 434 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: each other a little better, because you know that that's 435 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: what brings everybody closer together, is to know each other 436 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: better and to see, you know, how many ways we 437 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: know we're all alike. So you know, I think in 438 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: that way they're good to a certain extent. But you know, 439 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: there needs to be another component of some sort in 440 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: order to bring change. And I certainly am not one 441 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: to advocate for violence, but but you do notice that 442 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: when there is violence, that that's when suddenly it seems 443 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: that suggestion for change, and even in some case change 444 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: is made. So I think we need to find that 445 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: middle ground between just being there and you know, and 446 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: being violent. There has to be a middle ground there 447 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: where there's something that can help to bring about change 448 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: without hurting other people. And that includes hurting you know, 449 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: their property. So well that's you know. John F. Kennedy 450 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: said that those who make peaceful should impossible will make 451 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: violent revolution inevitable. So there's something to be said about 452 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: personal property. And when I said, I said, a protest 453 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: with permission is a parade. So if we do it 454 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: according to the standards of white, white or Western sensibilities 455 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: or evolusional sensibilities. We run the risk of them just 456 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: taking We're just a toothless tighter. We're just out there roaring, 457 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: and no one's really given us a any kind of 458 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: kind of headway. But so there has to be some 459 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: kind of impetus to make them to get up off 460 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: there behind, or get up on their knees and kneel 461 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: with us, or pray with us, whatever it is to 462 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: get some enacting and change. And I didn't ignore. I 463 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: want to get mister Mitrio Leon Leon's next on it. Hi, Hello, everybody, 464 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: I've found this meeting on Twitter. I don't know if 465 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: you could hear me. Yes, okay, thank you so much THEO. 466 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: I joined this meeting because of what it talked about 467 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: the unhoused people. And I think the question that you 468 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: made was not our thoughts on the demonstration, but how 469 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: have these demonstrations or these protesters affected us? And I 470 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: think at least my answer is that it hasn't affected 471 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: me because I am I'm doing the quarantine in my house. 472 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: I am privileged enough to be a teacher who gives 473 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: classes through the internet. So I'm thinking, and I'm seeing 474 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter, on the Internet images of people who are 475 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: un housed, being caught in the middle of the fire 476 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: of what's going on, being literal or metaphorical. So I 477 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: joined this meeting because I want to hear. I want 478 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: to understand how in what ways we can help and 479 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: what ways because it's an image. It's very it hurts 480 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: to see somebody who can't escape, they don't have any 481 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: house to go to after a protest, or they're really 482 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: getting the worst of it. That's all I wanted to say. 483 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to touch a little bit based on episode 484 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: twenty six of Media and how episode twenty five was 485 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: about the protesters and have their perspective, but episodes twenty 486 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: six I inverted and asked people in my community, particularly 487 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: black men, about the protests, and each one that I've 488 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: interviewed have stated instances where police have gone out of 489 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: their way to start at them and give them extra 490 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: time or criminalize them, and some of them they are 491 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: very grateful for the protests because it brings in a 492 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: sharper relief of what the issue is. But sometimes even 493 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: when we talk about black lives matter, sometimes there's house 494 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: blacks and we omit and we forget there's unhoused blacks 495 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: that have a higher rate of a rate of criminality 496 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: because we're out on the street. We're in may six 497 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: sometimes in white neighborhoods because where we can probably panhandle 498 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: or get more money instead of a distressed neighborhood. We're 499 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: out there. And all it takes is one of the 500 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: people of a privileged class to form a neighborhood council 501 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: or a business improvement district committee, and then they get 502 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: together with a senior lead officer and a neighborhood prosecutor, 503 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: and then you're off in trying to get rid of 504 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: this unhoused person, particularly one over in Friar del Rey 505 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: or skid Row. I'm thinking of Annie. We've got arrested 506 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: over eighty seven times, uh, just for sleeping on the sidewalk. 507 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: For in the Staper City initiative. These things are are 508 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: are tangible in the respect that this is this is 509 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: viscer rule for them. They can speak on this as 510 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: well as I can. I had thirteen cops come to 511 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: be throw me out of the park in a rainy 512 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: on a rainy brought rainy day in the rain and 513 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: leave my things out there and got it thrown in 514 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: the trash and all that kind of stuff. So uh, 515 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: it's it's a viseral response to this. I don't want 516 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: to spend an aborting amount of time on that one 517 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: because I wanted to get to the next question. Is 518 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: I think okay, Johanna, Sorry, just a quick response to 519 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: the earlier kind of conflating violence. I feel like violence 520 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: is the infliction of trauma on specifically on a body, 521 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: and a building does not feel trauma. Mm hmm. Excellently put. 522 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: Because I was going to add up and a follow 523 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: up with that question is why do people feel that 524 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: black lives matter less than property or animals? People went 525 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: into a rage with Mike Vick uh abused the animals, 526 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: But when when they're the riots or when protesters had 527 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: maybe defaced the building and people I've seen in my 528 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: own experience and have completely eclipsed the conversation about the buildings. 529 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: I give you a case in important and an excellent uh. 530 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: An excellent reporter I advise all of you to follow 531 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: is Michael Kocov Adrian Riskin delved into the issues of it. 532 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: And then one of the Pacific Poli States Business improve 533 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: and District meetings, this majority of white individuals we're talking 534 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: about their buildings during the protests, no mention of George Floyd, 535 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: no mention of the police brutality. And this is their 536 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: direct quote, and you can go online and hear it 537 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: from themselves. The police and the National Guard will keep 538 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: us say. I want you to think about that because 539 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: that question ties into why do people think black lives 540 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: matter less than property or animals? I'm gonna answer this 541 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: as a Black American and also probably a little bit 542 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: closer to slavery. My grandmother, my mother's stepmother, was a sharecropper, 543 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: so they had just come out of slavery. And I 544 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: think that a lot of that spills over a lot 545 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: of that attitude, the belief, the behavior, you know. I mean, 546 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: we didn't come over here in a first class Kevin 547 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: of a truth ship. We came in the elley of 548 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: the ship, stacked body on top of each other, the 549 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: whole trip, you know, bent over, you know, huntling together. 550 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: And like people always say, when when black people were slaves, 551 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know y'all were slaves, Well, no, we 552 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: were made to be indentured servants. You know, everybody talks 553 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: about privilege. We had privileges. And that's why I keep 554 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: telling everybody, I think white privilege is a delusion. You know, 555 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: we had black privileges, you know, our ancestors in Africa. 556 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: The privileges were revoked and we were bout here, and 557 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: so anybody's privilege can be revoked. I think that. So 558 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: that carries over because we you know, I say we 559 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: because collectively, you know, the black experience. But our ancestors 560 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: they were treated as slaves. You know, they were like 561 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: people didn't have to have a meal when you could 562 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: have you know, a big black buck pull the hole 563 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: or the tiller, you know, the rope. They didn't have 564 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: a rope with the tiller or you know, they were 565 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: used for the men and women were made it like 566 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: we made dogs, you know, like look at their teeth 567 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: and you know, if any of you guys get it. 568 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: I went to college in Charleston, South Carolina, and you know, 569 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: and Charleston they still have the slave market downtown where 570 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 1: it's really like crazy to go and see where slaves 571 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: actually stood on the shore and they have pictures and 572 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: shackles and all of that. And so they were treated 573 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: like animals. And that didn't stop then even though you know, 574 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: some right they were freed from slavery Sorida, you know, 575 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: even in the sixties, you know, in the fifties. I'm 576 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: a child of the fifties, but growing up, you know, 577 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: there was still that same kind of thing that you did, 578 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: Like think about the civil rights marches, like you guys 579 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: are protesting now, and I wouldn't speak to that, but 580 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: I want to speak later. But you guys are protesting now. 581 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: Back then, you know, dogs were sick on them, you know, 582 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: they sick dogs on them. They used water hoses, you know, 583 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: to wash them, like Washington dirt off the street. And 584 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: so this is the history of those were peaceful protests. 585 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: You know, those were peaceful protests, and that is what 586 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy was talking about. That was peace, you know, 587 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: and Colin when he knelt, that was peace. You know. 588 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: So basically, what the African American has learned or the 589 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: black person is that, or the negro or the colored person, 590 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call me, but what we have 591 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: learned here in America is we're not allowed to protest, 592 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: which means that I'm not considered to be an American. 593 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: I'm not considered to be one hundred percent a part 594 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,479 Speaker 1: of this. Even they they still have loss, like say, 595 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: my baby is his father's white y'all. Don't acknowledge him 596 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: as white, y'all. Yeah. I didn't never say Obama was 597 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: the white president, but he was. His mother was white, 598 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: you know. But so those those little Jim Crow things 599 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: are still there. No one, I've never heard anybody call 600 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: or Bobo the white president, but me and his mother 601 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: was white. You know, I had to raise my son, 602 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: I don't care you are black, and I think we 603 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: have to look at that. That stuff comes. So a 604 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: lot of the filths of being enslaved is still here. 605 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: And you know, it's like you still want to put 606 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: a yoke around the next so that people, you know, behave. 607 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: But you know, it's like Colin he knew, he tried. 608 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: You know, we all knew. We held our collective throats 609 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: and said I can't brave. You know, we walked around 610 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: and said, don't shoot. You know, is it going to 611 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: be me next? All of that, it was peaceful, and 612 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: after a while, you know, how unmoved can you be 613 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: seeing unarmed black citizens being killed. There has to be 614 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: we have to admit that there's something to that, or 615 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: there's something wrong with that, or we have to admit 616 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: that we don't care. We're not even empathetic. You know, 617 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: we have to admit that black lives just don't matter 618 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: to us. And I think that's an okay thing to say, 619 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I've been in a lot of 620 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: things that a veteran is one of them. And I 621 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: serve to defend your right to think and say what 622 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: you want. And I will not invalidate your feelings, but 623 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: I want to understand them. But that is what I've seen. 624 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen the black panthers, the struggle, and 625 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: it keeps going on. And how long do we have 626 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: to struggle, you know, for civil rights? So if you 627 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 1: say you have privilege and I don't, that's not privilege, 628 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: that's bigotry. You're denying me the same privileges that you have. 629 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: As an American, I have a right to the same 630 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: privileges that you have. And the only privilege that any 631 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: of us in this chat should be having it. I 632 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: keep saying this because I want to get it through 633 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: not just to white America, but to Black America. I'm 634 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: not marginalized. Marginalize me. You can ignore me, set me 635 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: to the side. I'm not there. You don't have to 636 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: acknowledge me, but I will be acknowledged. I consider myself 637 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: a black woman of privilege, and I believe that I 638 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: have the privilege to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. 639 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: And I think the difference is that a lot of 640 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: people feel like if you get rights or if you 641 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: you know, if you get to exercise your rights, because 642 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: they're your rights, whether they are my rights, whether you 643 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: allow me to exercise them or not. But if you 644 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: get the right to exercise your rights, like they're going 645 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: to lose something. It's not going to be any skin 646 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: off their nose. And so I think in the end, 647 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: you know what, I think that I would like for 648 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: white America to know because watching all these protests, I've 649 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: seen my friends like, well, I'm out here because I 650 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: have privilege. I'm like, go downtown, No, go down on Melrose. 651 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: Your privileges was revold. You can't go shopping today. You know, 652 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: your privileges can be revoked. It's like my ancestor's privileges 653 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: were revoked. But the thing that I want people to 654 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: know is that black people we're not even trying to 655 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: get privileged. We don't want to live on the hill 656 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: and look down on anybody. You know, you see the 657 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: black community. We just want peace. We want to be 658 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: able to get a job, We want to be able 659 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: to have peace. We want to be able to not 660 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: have to deal with racism period now with from the police, 661 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: not from our neighbor, not from anybody. We just want don't. 662 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't need any privileges. Any privilege I get is 663 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: a privilege I create. But you any privilege that is 664 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: denied someone. If you deny me a privileges that are mine, 665 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: then what is that you took something from me that 666 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: don't belong to you. So stop saying you have white privilege, 667 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: because you don't want to believe that about yourself. And 668 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: I know a lot of you guys, that's not who 669 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: you are. You know, white privileges, injustice, bigotry, white privileges. 670 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: If you say you have right white privilege, that means 671 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: that George Floyd needed to die because he had no 672 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: privileges and it was within Choppin's privilege to have to 673 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: murder him. And that's not right. So those things we 674 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: need to put the I think the language or the 675 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: narrative is still would say, needs to change. So we 676 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,919 Speaker 1: all have privileges that we all should have as Americans, 677 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: as the great slave owner, Thomas Jefferson said, is to 678 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: know that we have the inalienable rights because we're all 679 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: created equal by our creators to life, liberty, and the 680 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 1: pursuit of justice. And I promise you that's all we want. 681 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: We don't want to take over America because I'm tired. 682 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: I can't be the Queen of America. I want to, 683 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: but I can't go on the well as a segue 684 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: to that, because what she said historically is that we 685 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: no other races of people have been put in the 686 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: law books that's considered three humans, no other law, no 687 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: other conversation was had by the founders of America that 688 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: had slave owners with slave owners or brutal slave owners. 689 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: And it has transpointed because my family too, My grandmother 690 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: was a sharecropper and my grandfather was. They were on 691 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: the plantations and their parents and their grandparents were slaves, 692 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: and the transition through the reconstruction and all of that, 693 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: but it also provoked them to become the fight for 694 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: civil rights. And I don't usually talk too much about myself, 695 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,439 Speaker 1: but I will tell you the story about my own 696 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: mycle had sass a white woman down in Alabama. They 697 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: were in Birmingham, Alabama. And when we say sass, that 698 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 1: means he stood up for himself. He didn't look down 699 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: on the ground, he didn't jump off the sidewalk fast enough, 700 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: and you know whatever and return. And in response to that, 701 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: the wife went home to her husband, who obviously was 702 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: white as well, and they got what they call night riders. 703 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: They got night writers together complicated to in that time, 704 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: they would go in and kick people, families and like 705 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: black families, doors in and snatch the male or even 706 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: sometimes the black female to Mary Turner or snatched the 707 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: male in through despite all the protests and the family 708 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: family peopully begging build not to do it. And they 709 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,439 Speaker 1: would get together and and and and lynch, lynch black people. 710 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: And this was a known thing. And my grandmother was 711 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: was was was completely upset and and and frantic and 712 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: and unfortunate. Unfortunately, in the black community we had Eastern 713 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: Star and Black Masons. They were a little bit different 714 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: than the white Masons and the Masons. For Black Masons, 715 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: we were uh geared toward helping black people. And many 716 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: of the Masons at the time were funeral directors. So 717 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: the undertaker would created a false bottom for my uncle 718 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: to be put under one of the deceat member of people, 719 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: uh on the top of the coffin to be shipped 720 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: to the north. So to understand this is a legacy 721 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: that they didn't value black lives there. What is the 722 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,800 Speaker 1: excuse now? Why now in twenty twenty, we are still 723 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: going through the same thing that Fannie Lou Hamer went 724 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: through in nineteen sixty five. And that is something that 725 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: really is alarming and it brings more to like the 726 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: jfp's words work in the sixties that it is today. 727 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: There are a couple of people on stack. I think 728 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,839 Speaker 1: I saw being two with a hands raised. I wasn't 729 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,359 Speaker 1: sure if being wanted to. Okay, I try and keep 730 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 1: this super brief. I'm really here to more more to learn, 731 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, as a young activist in to homelessness, but 732 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: just to speak on the issue of blackness. I just 733 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 1: want to say, just to add to the narrative. What's 734 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of being spoken on here? That a couple of things. One, 735 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to say it for the record. 736 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: I'm sure plenty of people are aware, but you know, 737 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: the black story, black history exists beyond slavery, like a 738 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 1: thousand percent, you know, I am the child of immigrants 739 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: and of the diaspora, and so like the black diaspora 740 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: exists outside of slavery and also inside of slavery, like 741 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: I have Puerto Rican you know relatives, and I have 742 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 1: Haitian relatives. You know, that's there's all kinds of slavery 743 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 1: and the defeat of slavery and those stories. So you 744 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 1: know what black does as a term and what white 745 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: does as those two terms are both brutal, brutal terms. 746 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: What they both do is through violence, smash entire collections 747 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: of people into one story, into one group. Whiteness doesn't 748 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,399 Speaker 1: exist without brutality, and the term black doesn't exist without brutality. 749 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: It basically the term black forcibly connects people who would 750 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: otherwise have been unrelated without the concept of whiteness. So 751 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: basically you have Nigerians, you have Dominicans, you have all 752 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: these different stories. But now there's beauty and blackness. But 753 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we should like honor where everybody comes from, 754 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: and we should realize just how brutal both of those 755 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 1: terms really are because whiteness also comes with the price. 756 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 1: You know, American whiteness comes with the price of brutalizing 757 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 1: people into poverty, and there's a trade off that happens, 758 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: and that's that trade off is I don't anyway, I 759 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,319 Speaker 1: don't want to get into it too much, but I 760 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: just really want to to speak on blackness being kind 761 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: of beyond slavery, because as Kathy was saying, you know, 762 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: black people just before slavery existed, I totally agree. Where 763 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: I was going with that conversation is also due to 764 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,359 Speaker 1: our bloody history here in America, and how even though 765 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: the black guy Aspera, we were not just plucked just 766 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: willy nilly. Initially we were if there was the artisans, 767 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: it was the agriculturist, it was people that had skilled 768 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,359 Speaker 1: in order to carve out a frontier in America. They 769 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: didn't just snatch people just off just for the heck 770 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,200 Speaker 1: of it. They snatched people that had skilled in order 771 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: for us, because we had skilled in rice, we had 772 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: brought over indigenous foods. But the point of it is, 773 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: despite all of that, the ability of that in America, 774 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: there's still the idea that these people here in America, 775 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: even among some of us that shared some of the diaspora, 776 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: we were considered animals. Three fifths human beasts of burdens 777 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: and chattle slavery is the only thing that's ever known 778 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: across the world that America has in its on its 779 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: law books. Despite how great the Constitution is, the the 780 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: the idea of chattle slavery and three fifths human and 781 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,440 Speaker 1: thread Scott case is versus plessy is one of the 782 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: things that we as American blacks have been toiling with. 783 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: And I'm not just in America, because UK I'm hearing 784 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: that they have racial upsets as well, but all across 785 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: the world this experience for some reason over in Palestine 786 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: and Africans over there, they're being run out. This is 787 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: some reason that it's tied in with a negative of 788 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: sinister kind of element. Ken Ross, Okay, In regard to 789 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: what Kathy was saying and what THEO was saying, I'm 790 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: kind of curious for a topic if everyone here at 791 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 1: this meeting, is that one of the most contemporary issues, 792 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: that one of the hottest issues right now in the 793 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: country is the topic of lynching. To the best of 794 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: my understanding, the House of Representatives passed an anti lynching bill, 795 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,320 Speaker 1: and President Trump and the Republicans have refused to allow 796 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: that to come to the Senate floor, and therefore it 797 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: will remain unvoted upon during this administration most probability. So 798 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 1: you have elements of the country in large groups of 799 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: power that are not opposing lynching. Interesting well, and you 800 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 1: have to think lynching, which I want to put on 801 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 1: my teacher hat right now. Lynching, that term was thanks 802 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 1: to a very courageous woman in a time where it 803 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: was very widespread, and her name was doctor I to 804 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: b Wells Barnett. This black woman had was a very 805 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,359 Speaker 1: famous journalist, and she was very close to a very 806 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: family man much like a Kai Gurley George Floyd, and 807 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: a jealous white shop owner got upset and seeing them 808 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: being successful blacks in their communities and decided to go 809 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 1: in loot and riot and tear up their businesses. Naturally, 810 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,799 Speaker 1: as people always say about fitting their property a fighting suit. 811 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 1: So he, this white properteer owner went and got a 812 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,759 Speaker 1: listed uh basically the Republicans of that time, and got 813 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,959 Speaker 1: a deputized a lynch party to go out and hunt 814 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,800 Speaker 1: him down and brutalize and beat him, cut his fingers off, 815 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,359 Speaker 1: castrat him, I mean, just do all kinds of horrific things. 816 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: And that right there propelled I to be wells to 817 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: step forward and give a journalistic account about where did 818 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: they take the bodies and what they did to him? 819 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: And she went out and started to investigate it. Lynching 820 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: cases such as that. So jumped forward to nineteen fifty five. 821 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 1: A young boy in nineteen fifty five was sent down 822 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: to Money, Mississippi to stay with their grandparents. And as 823 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: a kid usually do they sing women. I saw this 824 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,719 Speaker 1: woman and cat called her or whistled at her, and 825 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,320 Speaker 1: this white woman became offended and talked to her husband, 826 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: and her husband and brother kicked in their grandfather's door, 827 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,799 Speaker 1: dragged him out in the middle of the night, eat 828 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: him severely, shot him in the eye, hung him with 829 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 1: a cotton gin, and threw him in the river. He 830 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: was body was found three days later. Of course, he 831 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,759 Speaker 1: was badly decomposed and badly disfigured, and so they threw 832 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: him in a box. Not a call from a half 833 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 1: shapened little box. Healed it and sent it to Chicago. Understandably, 834 00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:02,640 Speaker 1: the mother was a bereat stick with them and sadness, 835 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: and she wanted to say goodbye to her only son. 836 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: They strongly recommend advised against it. She pushed the undertaker 837 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 1: to open the conference, and what she beheld was very 838 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,000 Speaker 1: horrific and stickning. She made the decision to have her 839 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,040 Speaker 1: son have an open casket funeral because she wanted the 840 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 1: world to see what they did to her son and 841 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,040 Speaker 1: that young man. His name was Emmett Till. And this 842 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 1: was in nineteen fifty five and now we're in twenty twenty. 843 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,719 Speaker 1: Within the same issue, if we're trying to have a 844 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 1: bunch of people who have would probably got born or 845 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 1: were on the end of it, that's still trying to 846 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 1: perpetuate a same heinous kind of thought process to the 847 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: next generation. So my last question is is how many 848 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: of you have invited black people housing unhoused to your home. 849 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to jump in here. I have a lot 850 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: of friends that are on house. Of course, you know 851 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: I make friends fast, So my house is always for 852 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: kind of everybody, my family, my friends, my everything is. 853 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: I would call it the Rainbow Coalition, Jesse, Jesus to 854 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,840 Speaker 1: have a group of Chicago called that, uh can I 855 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: have found on your question? What I would ask is 856 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 1: how many of you have had someone that was not 857 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: of your ethnicity in your home? Amy has a stack. 858 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:52,719 Speaker 1: I'm getting there, oh problem. I was typing something where 859 00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: I'm casey, Okay, sorry about that, thank you so much 860 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: for doing this. I'm here with Amy, and she was 861 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 1: just reminding me that maybe a year or so ago 862 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: we had met this young gentleman at at a dinner 863 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: for the unhoused, and he had a guitar, and I figured, 864 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: maybe this is this is an individual that I can 865 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of get close to and kind of see if 866 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,280 Speaker 1: there's any any connection that I can make, because it's awkward, 867 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're all trying to find ways of connection, 868 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: and and and and luckily I was. I had had 869 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 1: a I was working for Facebook, and I said, hey, 870 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: you want to come to my house and see if 871 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,400 Speaker 1: maybe we can can record you? And and and he 872 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: was unhoused at detirement and uh he said sure, I'd 873 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 1: be happy to and and I started hearing his story 874 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: about how he had been targeted by the police for 875 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: uh uh you know, you fit the description same thing. 876 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 1: Just they pulled him out of his job in broad daylight, 877 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: his cell phone on his He said, can I grab myself? 878 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,840 Speaker 1: And they said no. And he ended up in jail 879 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: for three years, unjustly accused of something that he had 880 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: nothing to do with and then they finally, you know, 881 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: let him back out of of the prison and uh, 882 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: and then he was on you know, back back you know, 883 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,680 Speaker 1: back on the streets, not knowing what to do, and 884 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: the police said, don't ever show your face again. They 885 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 1: treated him very poorly, but we were able to connect 886 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: and just he's a was a real example of resilience 887 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,919 Speaker 1: that through whatever he was dealing with, he uh, he 888 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: he kept his just his composure was was beautiful. Even 889 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 1: though he's been he continues to go through the ups 890 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 1: and downs of life. Just had his house broken into 891 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,240 Speaker 1: again a few like a week ago, but just a 892 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: real beautiful example. So, yeah, he's become a good friend 893 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: and we check in, check in often, and yeah, so 894 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 1: I think it's it's the little little things we can 895 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 1: try to do, but they make a little little difference, 896 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,360 Speaker 1: I guess. Time. One of the things that I wanted 897 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: to also point about too is that, uh, there was 898 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,080 Speaker 1: a similar story that we have a very clear, clear 899 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,720 Speaker 1: cut case of police brutality. But this is a sixteen 900 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,080 Speaker 1: year old black young man. The they was to leave 901 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 1: Brouder Actually I spoke with one of the family members, uh, 902 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,919 Speaker 1: and he was locked in jail for over I think 903 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,000 Speaker 1: it was like three years, and he ended up killing 904 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: him himself due to police violence and brutality because they 905 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,200 Speaker 1: thought he stole someone's backpack. Yeah, so that these these cases, 906 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,440 Speaker 1: these these conversations when when people say, uh that we 907 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,000 Speaker 1: are hit criminalized, the saying these things are are the 908 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,560 Speaker 1: untold stories about what's going on and and and the 909 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:53,600 Speaker 1: world is not really aware, really aware fully the gravity 910 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: of the situation and why when you see things and 911 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 1: when blacks are of it uproar it because this has 912 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,760 Speaker 1: been going on too long. We've done the respectable ideas 913 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: of protests kneeling and hands up a shoe, can't you? 914 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 1: And incidentally, while we were doing that, I want to 915 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 1: point out there were police officers were running around with 916 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 1: shirts on with of course with some black people that 917 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 1: we call bootlippers, running on with the sign says I 918 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: can breathe. So these things, this, this, this which brings 919 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: up another question is what is the obsession with giving 920 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:36,439 Speaker 1: police office untold power and from the point of three 921 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: point one billion dollars that they already have and always 922 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,960 Speaker 1: over fifty four percent of a budget, to continue to 923 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: terrorize people of color. Dane Elliott always said and I 924 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,840 Speaker 1: always just said this too, and I believe this is 925 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a good one. If any of you follow her, if 926 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, well you know what's going on with black 927 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 1: community now right now, with any of you, treat places 928 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:07,600 Speaker 1: with life people right now. Great. Thank you THEO for 929 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:15,080 Speaker 1: putting on this, this conversation, this space that allows a difficult, 930 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 1: much needed and honest conversation. I feel that once we 931 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,600 Speaker 1: once we pass the protest, the march phase, I hope 932 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: that everyone will go to work. We have a great momentum. 933 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:41,040 Speaker 1: We can see that that change can happen like this. 934 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that we're sorry that it had. Someone has 935 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 1: to pay for his life and their lives to get 936 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: us here, but change can really happen. And of course 937 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things to do after these reforms. 938 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of you know, the criminal justice reform, 939 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,520 Speaker 1: to look at the police use of force policy, the 940 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Board of Right, there's all kinds of makeup use of 941 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,959 Speaker 1: force on a national level and standardize it. There's all 942 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 1: kinds of things to do. So I hope that people 943 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,000 Speaker 1: will will really go to work because power and number 944 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: is the is what works. But I also feel that 945 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: when once we go to work. Each of us have 946 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:37,720 Speaker 1: to to really focus on what it means to accept 947 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,800 Speaker 1: one another. I mean really, really, not just in rhetorics 948 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,080 Speaker 1: or in singing or in poetry, but really, in our 949 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:50,040 Speaker 1: daily lives, how do we relate to each other? There are, 950 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, cases in daily lives where someone could treat 951 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: another person of a person of color in the most 952 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: mundane way but shows a very a racist treatment. For 953 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 1: lack of better word, I mean to put it blankly, 954 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,040 Speaker 1: and and I hope that the people who who perpetuate 955 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: those actions take time to reflect within themselves and say, 956 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,680 Speaker 1: how can I change myself so that I'm acting in 957 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,120 Speaker 1: a more accepting way towards this other person who has 958 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:35,240 Speaker 1: a different color than I am, you know, And and language, 959 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: like Pastor Katy said earlier, language is also important. You know, 960 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,919 Speaker 1: I wasn't aware about the white privileged concept, but now 961 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I am. There are a lot of people like me 962 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,480 Speaker 1: who say, you know, I don't see your color, but 963 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 1: really meant in a good way, as in, I really 964 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,200 Speaker 1: don't see your color. I see you as a person, 965 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,160 Speaker 1: and I accept you in all your entirety. But I 966 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 1: think in the light of the under the context, and 967 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:12,040 Speaker 1: in the light of history. It's important to take a 968 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,640 Speaker 1: step back and say, no, I see your color. Actually 969 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,919 Speaker 1: I do, I see you And so sometimes we might 970 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 1: say things that we mean well, but we don't know. 971 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:28,440 Speaker 1: So I think we as a society ought to come 972 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,919 Speaker 1: to an understanding of the words that we use. So 973 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 1: thank you for this a light of understanding me. Thank 974 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,920 Speaker 1: you very much. Joanna may have a comment about Black 975 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: Lives Matter and mentioning. I don't know if you want 976 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 1: to speak, Oh yeah, I just wanted to kind of 977 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 1: push back on the idea that legislation alone will stop 978 01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:01,320 Speaker 1: systemic racism, because the system is racist. So I think 979 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,960 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago BLM activist was charged with 980 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:11,440 Speaker 1: using California as anti lynching laws that exist already black 981 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:16,040 Speaker 1: women charged with lynching, which they define. She it was 982 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,120 Speaker 1: not a violent crime in that sense. It would be 983 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: nice if if lynching were illegal, but now, unfortunately it's 984 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:30,160 Speaker 1: been legalized through the use of police brutality. Also, I 985 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: wanted to piggyback off of a parent said, and I 986 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 1: wanted to I want you to digest this or let 987 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,240 Speaker 1: it marinate. There may be times when we are powerless 988 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,320 Speaker 1: to present injustice, but there must never be a time 989 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,480 Speaker 1: when we failed to protest, and that is Eli Wisley. 990 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: And if you ever read his book On Night, he 991 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,560 Speaker 1: details living through the Holocaust, and he talked about the 992 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,640 Speaker 1: necessity of standing up and to speaking out against injustice. 993 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,120 Speaker 1: So if there's anything I hope to accomplish is that 994 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 1: if you see injustice, that we may at the moment 995 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,960 Speaker 1: be temporarily powerless, but we must protest. We must stand 996 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,880 Speaker 1: out and say something, We must do something. And doctor 997 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,400 Speaker 1: King says this, and I want to also point this out. 998 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: We who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the 999 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: creative's attention. We merely bring to the surface the hidden 1000 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 1: tension that is already alive. So obviously there is some 1001 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,560 Speaker 1: kind of tension that's been going on against black lives, 1002 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,280 Speaker 1: which hence the name Black Lives Matter? So what is it? 1003 01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: The next question I have is what is the opinion 1004 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,880 Speaker 1: on all lives matter? And I want an honest opinion. 1005 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Why do people always want to throw that out when 1006 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter is speaking? I hope you guys know 1007 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,480 Speaker 1: this is a judgment free zone and just like you 1008 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,920 Speaker 1: want to hear what we think about this. This is 1009 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,720 Speaker 1: not a one sided thing. I don't I want to 1010 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,600 Speaker 1: remember who said this, and I don't want to take 1011 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 1: somebody's credit. And somebody saying this is kind of like 1012 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,200 Speaker 1: all of us kind of deal. So we want to 1013 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 1: hear you know. Also because we're learning too, we're learning too. 1014 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,280 Speaker 1: We're meeting in the light of understanding parental I mean, 1015 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say if I had no one asked, I'm 1016 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,840 Speaker 1: going to be my go back and teach them mode, 1017 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:28,640 Speaker 1: and I'm going to pick people to say something you're 1018 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: on mute. My concern is injustice that exists whether or 1019 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,880 Speaker 1: not you're black, whether or not you're disabled, whether or 1020 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: not you're un housed, whether or not you're Jewish. There's 1021 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,800 Speaker 1: a whole set of categories that if we talk about inclusion, 1022 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 1: we need to remember that, yes, it's important to be 1023 01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,400 Speaker 1: thinking about black lives matter, but in the phrase of 1024 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: all lives matter, we show ignorance and disrespect for people 1025 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:12,880 Speaker 1: of all colors, of all religions, of all nationalities, of 1026 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:18,479 Speaker 1: all abilities or disabilities, and we don't always think about that. 1027 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,680 Speaker 1: I would like to say on the matter of that 1028 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,800 Speaker 1: we are blaming and saving society. I've said this many 1029 01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,599 Speaker 1: times on my podcast, But to the question of Black 1030 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,920 Speaker 1: Lives Matter. We've been going through this grappling with this 1031 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,840 Speaker 1: issue since we got off the boat, and it is 1032 01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, the future of all of the other groups 1033 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,360 Speaker 1: that you've mentioned, Steeve, it hangs in the balance within 1034 01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,519 Speaker 1: the treatment and the justice that needs to happen with 1035 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,880 Speaker 1: black liberation. James Baldwin says, our future is bright or 1036 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:58,160 Speaker 1: as bright or as dim as as white society chooses 1037 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,559 Speaker 1: to act or or don't act. So they're in lies 1038 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,960 Speaker 1: the issue. The issue is that ingrained system that if 1039 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,360 Speaker 1: they're in city with that we have taken the drinking 1040 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:15,240 Speaker 1: from this poison and it's infecting the entire country. Jet 1041 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:21,600 Speaker 1: is understand Yes, yet yeah, hey THEO, how are you? 1042 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean not to you know, put things in the 1043 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:35,639 Speaker 1: numbers and percentages. But the fact is, historically black lives 1044 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:42,160 Speaker 1: have been disproportionately exploited, murdered, uh neglected and abandoned in 1045 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:47,240 Speaker 1: this country and I would probably say across the globe. 1046 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:52,840 Speaker 1: And so if if you say all lives matter, you 1047 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,800 Speaker 1: have to start with saying and highlighting black lives that 1048 01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 1: have been abandoned and neglected and murdered in such a 1049 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,280 Speaker 1: disproportionate number and made homeless here in LA. It's disgusting 1050 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:11,240 Speaker 1: to counter Black lives Matter with all lives matter. And 1051 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 1: I think that there there will be no liberation of 1052 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,160 Speaker 1: all people until there is black liberation. There will be 1053 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,000 Speaker 1: no justice in Los Angeles until there is justice in 1054 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:32,240 Speaker 1: skid Row, right, and you know, the most neglected police 1055 01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:40,000 Speaker 1: impoverished neighborhood in the city that is also disapportionately black. Yeah, 1056 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it at that. Harry was next, Oh, okay, 1057 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,000 Speaker 1: So I just want to put it really simply, this 1058 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:54,479 Speaker 1: is how I feel. I think too many black lives shatter, 1059 01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,960 Speaker 1: and so the movement Black Lives Matter is needed. That 1060 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,719 Speaker 1: was nice. I'm gonna tek you. I'm steal in it, 1061 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:13,439 Speaker 1: Stephanie and Brian. So I just that, you know the 1062 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: problem with the phrase like all lives matter is that 1063 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,679 Speaker 1: it seems like a very well intentioned phrase, but I, 1064 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately have yet to hear it independently. That 1065 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,240 Speaker 1: wasn't countering black lives matter. It is always used as 1066 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,680 Speaker 1: a way to kind of defleat a conversation or to 1067 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,240 Speaker 1: deflect from an argument. Or I've never heard the phrase 1068 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 1: all lives matter applied, you know, independently when something else happens, 1069 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,639 Speaker 1: you know, when people are dying in prisons, when people 1070 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,439 Speaker 1: are dying on the street, regardless of race or gender, 1071 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,160 Speaker 1: or age or ability. No one ever says all lives 1072 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,040 Speaker 1: matter immediately. Then it's only ever used as a counter 1073 01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,679 Speaker 1: to stop a conversation around black lives and black rites. 1074 01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to say something, you know, and I'm not 1075 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,320 Speaker 1: trying to. I think that there's an empathy from the 1076 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:09,920 Speaker 1: black community, and I want everybody to understand that before 1077 01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,800 Speaker 1: this happened, you know, because I think COVID was just 1078 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 1: the perfect storm. I think George Floyd is the straw 1079 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,519 Speaker 1: that broke the campbell with Camel's back. I think we 1080 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,080 Speaker 1: collect angry about a lot of social injustice, and most 1081 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,920 Speaker 1: of us here being activists and advocates and you know, 1082 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:33,200 Speaker 1: just people who deal with social justice. That's our thing. 1083 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 1: I think that we know that. But before this, you know, 1084 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 1: one of the things that I mean, a lot of 1085 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,960 Speaker 1: you guys follow me, I'm sure you like, what is 1086 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,280 Speaker 1: she right? Why is she writing that that? I was 1087 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,960 Speaker 1: really pushing that Asian Americans were being targeted and slaughtered 1088 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,160 Speaker 1: and beaten up and slashed because of COVID. There was 1089 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:59,360 Speaker 1: a Jewish community in New York. They were, you know, 1090 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:04,240 Speaker 1: just attacking everybody because of COVID nineteen. They blame them 1091 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:09,720 Speaker 1: for it when they were putting the pipeline through the 1092 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:17,839 Speaker 1: reservation in Dakota's. I had that everywhere, you know, because 1093 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,599 Speaker 1: I think most of us, if we're going to be honest, 1094 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,720 Speaker 1: you know that care about social justice, we have to 1095 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,679 Speaker 1: admit that we care about humanity. We care about humanity. 1096 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,360 Speaker 1: So tonight I asked a friend of mine if she 1097 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,880 Speaker 1: would come on this call. Now the name no names, 1098 01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,479 Speaker 1: y'all know, no way, but I asked her she would 1099 01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 1: come on this call. And she's a Hispanic American and 1100 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,880 Speaker 1: she goes, oh, no, I know I should come on. 1101 01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,880 Speaker 1: She goes, but I don't like to get involved in 1102 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,559 Speaker 1: that stuff. I'm looking at your page. Why are you 1103 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,760 Speaker 1: posting all that stuff? You're going to just cause more problems. 1104 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm not posting it to divide people. Everything, 1105 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,800 Speaker 1: every beautiful picture of me says resists to divide. So 1106 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to divide people. But I feel like 1107 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,280 Speaker 1: if I can post, and some of y'all know, if 1108 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,200 Speaker 1: you can post every minute something that's happening in the 1109 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,800 Speaker 1: black community that's violent, some violence, I can post it 1110 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,760 Speaker 1: all day long. And if that's what it takes for 1111 01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,360 Speaker 1: me to get someone to see what's happening in my 1112 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,720 Speaker 1: community or to you know, say, you know what, I 1113 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: want to stop and understand this. You know, it's not 1114 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,479 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to blame you or bring out some 1115 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 1: delusional white guilt. Get away from that. I want you 1116 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,920 Speaker 1: to open your eyes and go, this is happening. And 1117 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,160 Speaker 1: so she refused, and I'm like, what if this was 1118 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,439 Speaker 1: about the children that I've been before this happened, you know, 1119 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,519 Speaker 1: advocating for that are missing at the border, or you know, 1120 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,080 Speaker 1: Hispanic people in cages or immigration at all, you know, 1121 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,679 Speaker 1: would you come to it? And she said she didn't 1122 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,680 Speaker 1: think so. But she's a devout Christian. I asked her 1123 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,760 Speaker 1: what if it was about Christians? She said, she go like, 1124 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,639 Speaker 1: what good does that do? But so, what I'm saying 1125 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,080 Speaker 1: is if we don't learn to speak up for one another. 1126 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,320 Speaker 1: And I think that the black community we have a 1127 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 1: voice and the empathy for other communities, and we do advocate, 1128 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:19,920 Speaker 1: whether people recognize it or not, because we empathize, and 1129 01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 1: I want everybody to empathize. And yes, black lives matter. 1130 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,719 Speaker 1: We see the little poster everywhere that says, you know, yes, 1131 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,920 Speaker 1: all lives matter, but right now, this topic, this subject 1132 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,240 Speaker 1: is about black lives because those are the black those 1133 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,080 Speaker 1: are the lives that are really being snuffed out for 1134 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: like little or nothing. And I saw a post where 1135 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,719 Speaker 1: it says, you know, why is everybody up in arms 1136 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,080 Speaker 1: and hate for us to talk about you know, black 1137 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,160 Speaker 1: lives matter? You know, wh white? Why do people hate 1138 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, people hate us to say that. You know, 1139 01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,479 Speaker 1: we hate to ask that, We hate to have to say, 1140 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, my life matter. Why should I have to 1141 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: tell you my life matter? So I think that you know, society, 1142 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,160 Speaker 1: and I agree with Jed it's not just America, but 1143 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,400 Speaker 1: society in general realizes the value of a black life. 1144 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,280 Speaker 1: You know, I could just like I could just continue 1145 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,960 Speaker 1: listening the deaths and the violence in the against the 1146 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,439 Speaker 1: black community. You know, know know, tell me, well, there's black 1147 01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,160 Speaker 1: on black crime. Y'all killing each other, child, I'll watch 1148 01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,439 Speaker 1: snap y'all killing each other. I watch Dayline. I d 1149 01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,280 Speaker 1: y'all killing each other mad. So you know, we usually 1150 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,639 Speaker 1: kill the people in our own community. If Alo's nott 1151 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,320 Speaker 1: messing with me this week, y'all go see me on snap. 1152 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,320 Speaker 1: So we in our own community. But what I'm saying 1153 01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,720 Speaker 1: is that, you know, that's just like a distraction, you know, 1154 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,920 Speaker 1: to you don't want to talk about this, but our 1155 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,200 Speaker 1: lives are not being handled in a way that is 1156 01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,519 Speaker 1: commiserate to all other lives. So we have to say 1157 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,280 Speaker 1: black lives matter, because if your life matters to me, 1158 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,920 Speaker 1: then my life must matter to you. It must, you know. 1159 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:08,000 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, we know all lives matter, you know, 1160 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,200 Speaker 1: certainly I do. All lives matter, but today we're talking 1161 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:16,479 Speaker 1: about black lives because black lives are in danger. You know. Yeah. 1162 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,320 Speaker 1: I have five sons, but one has passed away. I 1163 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,200 Speaker 1: have nine grandsons and I have three great grandsons, and 1164 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, you know, their lives matter to me, 1165 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,160 Speaker 1: and I want them to matter. And I'm like jed, 1166 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:38,080 Speaker 1: until their lives matter. You know, everybody wants peace and unity, 1167 01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,439 Speaker 1: that's what we're saying, and a Kumbaya moment. But if 1168 01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,560 Speaker 1: there's no justice, there will be no peace. There just can't. 1169 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I express that well, but 1170 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut up. I wanted to just point out 1171 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,920 Speaker 1: something too about the black Lives Matter thing, because when 1172 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,160 Speaker 1: people say black lives matter, and then when they rejoined 1173 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,120 Speaker 1: with like a rejoinder and said all lives matter, the 1174 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,519 Speaker 1: All Lives Matter group did not come out when this 1175 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,040 Speaker 1: white person was being brutalized. It was the Black Lives 1176 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:12,599 Speaker 1: Matter group aspocus name. There has been instances where white 1177 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: people or Asian people or other people other than Black 1178 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,800 Speaker 1: Lives Matter has been on the forefront and denouncing the 1179 01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:25,120 Speaker 1: violence and demanding for justice for them. So whenever we 1180 01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: hear this or this conversation about the other groups that 1181 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,200 Speaker 1: are being this and that this All Lives Matter group 1182 01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,639 Speaker 1: is nowhere to be found, and it's always used as 1183 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,840 Speaker 1: a detracting to or the diplect from the real relationship 1184 01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:46,600 Speaker 1: of the resentment of black people havn't took the temerity 1185 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:52,840 Speaker 1: to demand for justice and their own humanity. It's just 1186 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,960 Speaker 1: we're clothing upon the a thirty hour. And I wanted 1187 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,040 Speaker 1: to wrap this up and ask if anyone else have 1188 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,240 Speaker 1: anything talks impressions about the group, because this is one 1189 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,280 Speaker 1: of the five part series. I do believe that we 1190 01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,880 Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground here, but I also think 1191 01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,960 Speaker 1: this is not one of those hitting and quitted kind 1192 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,759 Speaker 1: of things or one time thing. I think this should 1193 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,679 Speaker 1: be the evolution of a conversation because there's other fascest 1194 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,640 Speaker 1: of this. I want to talk about the unhoused that 1195 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,000 Speaker 1: have mental prices, the unhoused with that may have suff 1196 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,600 Speaker 1: the useless issues, these things another topic. But this is 1197 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,599 Speaker 1: for the next conversation. I want just to really yelp 1198 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:39,639 Speaker 1: with this. This is Coriina was just going to say, 1199 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,479 Speaker 1: before you said it's a first of five part series, 1200 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,640 Speaker 1: I was just going to say, it has to continue 1201 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:56,320 Speaker 1: the conversation, the discussion needs to continue. Thank you, Grin. 1202 01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: I totally agree. A nice time, Harry Well. I just 1203 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:13,840 Speaker 1: wanted to say that this platform is open and can 1204 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:18,920 Speaker 1: I ask this your name Leah now it is. I 1205 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,080 Speaker 1: wanted to tell you because we didn't ask your question. 1206 01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,760 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't ask okay, and I keep saying 1207 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,080 Speaker 1: we're going to get back to that. We're gonna give 1208 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,679 Speaker 1: me to that. How do we what do we do 1209 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:40,599 Speaker 1: in the midst of uprising, riot protests or demonstration when 1210 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,919 Speaker 1: we see the unhoused being violated or they're they're helpless 1211 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:52,640 Speaker 1: in the middle and pre watch or we have a 1212 01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:56,120 Speaker 1: street watch meeting that I'm part of Street Watch. There 1213 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,240 Speaker 1: are different organizations that we are already on the front 1214 01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:04,679 Speaker 1: line and making unhouse people UH as a harm reduction. 1215 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,759 Speaker 1: One of the street Watchers mission statements is about harm reduction. 1216 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,720 Speaker 1: If we see some injustice, we don't just walk only by. 1217 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,920 Speaker 1: And sometimes when I noticed when there is in brutality 1218 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,879 Speaker 1: or gorugle this with UH the police or the phone. 1219 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,480 Speaker 1: There's been people that have particularly when I was in Chinatown, 1220 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,240 Speaker 1: I had parents when they were trying to builify me 1221 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,200 Speaker 1: because I was in the park as on how people 1222 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,280 Speaker 1: were about to attack the children and think parents came 1223 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,120 Speaker 1: to my defense. They got out their phone, they recorded, 1224 01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:41,960 Speaker 1: and they put those authorities on the spot and called 1225 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,519 Speaker 1: them out white, Asian, black. It was, it was, It 1226 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,120 Speaker 1: was so amazing. I could believe it that they just 1227 01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:52,000 Speaker 1: came to my defense to to push back against that. 1228 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,960 Speaker 1: And and that s told me that that's something that 1229 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,080 Speaker 1: we all could do. You know that it doesn't cost 1230 01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,960 Speaker 1: so much. We get involved with street Watch, We go 1231 01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,559 Speaker 1: to the meetings, we learn how to report the police, 1232 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,600 Speaker 1: We learn how to make sure we get to know 1233 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,080 Speaker 1: our neighbors because our house people usually like myself, I 1234 01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,360 Speaker 1: lived in that community before I became a housed. Many 1235 01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,400 Speaker 1: unhouse people usually lived in the communities that they were 1236 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,080 Speaker 1: evicted from, So we need to understand that they're just 1237 01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,840 Speaker 1: not some interlopers that just flop out of the out 1238 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,599 Speaker 1: of the out of galaxy and just just drop there. 1239 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,240 Speaker 1: They are there for a reason. You know, they're there 1240 01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:30,720 Speaker 1: for survival, their restrooms, david, nearby food access, and then 1241 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,360 Speaker 1: two they have to panantal to make things in meet 1242 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,400 Speaker 1: before the first of the month or their EBT kicks in. 1243 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that are going on with 1244 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,840 Speaker 1: unhouse people that the house community take for granted. So 1245 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,880 Speaker 1: there I strongly suggest many of us that are sitting 1246 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,400 Speaker 1: here is roll into a street washed course and really 1247 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,080 Speaker 1: learn what it is the world of the un housed 1248 01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,479 Speaker 1: and how we need to be able to be a 1249 01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:59,240 Speaker 1: collective force and holding the accountable tobericar Study and the 1250 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,599 Speaker 1: city councils and all over the district and holding them 1251 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,400 Speaker 1: accountable and said, these are our neighbors and this this 1252 01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,760 Speaker 1: behavior is unacceptable and we're not going to stand for 1253 01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,240 Speaker 1: Genevieve is stacked, but I wanted to stay to Lionell. 1254 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,240 Speaker 1: We all held up our phones, I do our reach. 1255 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I called theo Crome 1256 01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: and he was like knowing street watch, and I joined 1257 01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,200 Speaker 1: the street watch. This is the best weapon because you 1258 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,920 Speaker 1: saw a lot of that, because somebody filmed that man 1259 01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,120 Speaker 1: in that wheelchair, you know, so everybody in your phone 1260 01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:37,680 Speaker 1: is you know, and so now people are being prosecuted 1261 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,679 Speaker 1: for him being hit in the face with a rubber bullet. 1262 01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,880 Speaker 1: And I would say, if you see anyone being hit 1263 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:47,519 Speaker 1: in the face with a rubber bullet and Joanna's just 1264 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,000 Speaker 1: put the link. Joanna, thank you for putting out the links. 1265 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,800 Speaker 1: And if you live in the San Fernando Valley there 1266 01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,000 Speaker 1: there is we have streetwatch here, our party Streetwatch Sarah 1267 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,400 Speaker 1: mana Valley. But you know, if you see somebody you 1268 01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,520 Speaker 1: know doing stuff like that, even if you're near a protest, 1269 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm also an ex cop, don't tell nobody 1270 01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,519 Speaker 1: to don't like that to be mentioned. It was like 1271 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,639 Speaker 1: I swear, it was like fifty years not fifty years ago, 1272 01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,519 Speaker 1: but at least forty years ago. I was I was 1273 01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,920 Speaker 1: a cop and they were just coming out with rubbert bullets. 1274 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,040 Speaker 1: I was telling the others and it was upon the 1275 01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,519 Speaker 1: advot of them, they hadn't really gotten them. But the 1276 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,920 Speaker 1: training is do you know that they're not to be 1277 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:32,160 Speaker 1: shot in someone's face? And so that is something that 1278 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, you we need to report that, we need 1279 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,040 Speaker 1: to you know, they're they're there are laws, you know. 1280 01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, Genevieve's I stacked. I didn't want us to 1281 01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,400 Speaker 1: overlook your your question. No, we're not feel's rude. I'm 1282 01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:58,080 Speaker 1: not so THEO going back to what you just asked, 1283 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,639 Speaker 1: and I hope that so will continue. So look forward 1284 01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,800 Speaker 1: to further conversations. So one of the things I'm with 1285 01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:10,800 Speaker 1: seala a neighborhood homeless collision, and I see Mike and 1286 01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:16,120 Speaker 1: Josh are still onto such. An was also on the conversation, 1287 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,240 Speaker 1: but I just wanted to like kind of let everybody 1288 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:26,120 Speaker 1: know we have had an SMS service which such and 1289 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:31,000 Speaker 1: who's a software developer had come up with like about 1290 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,280 Speaker 1: a year year and a half ago. And at the 1291 01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,240 Speaker 1: events that we do, our coverage area is Echo Park, 1292 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,640 Speaker 1: Silver Lake, Los Felis, Atwater Village and some parts of 1293 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:47,920 Speaker 1: East Hollywood. We go out and do street outreach as 1294 01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:52,240 Speaker 1: well as have like two weekly events at churches in 1295 01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,639 Speaker 1: Silver Lake and Eco Park. And when we've encountered folks, 1296 01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, who do have cell phones. And it's always prising, 1297 01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,880 Speaker 1: I think to people when you know, like there's this 1298 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,719 Speaker 1: general public assumption that folks who are un housed don't 1299 01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,760 Speaker 1: have cell phones or access to cell phones. What we 1300 01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,920 Speaker 1: have found in our experience, and you know, like my 1301 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,600 Speaker 1: own personal experience is that it doesn't it's not necessarily 1302 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,040 Speaker 1: that they don't have access to cell phones, but they 1303 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:27,600 Speaker 1: lose them and have them taken a lot more frequently 1304 01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:32,560 Speaker 1: than you or I would who are house But the 1305 01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,519 Speaker 1: general numbers of folks who you know, like in one 1306 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:40,559 Speaker 1: time or another have phone access is roughly about the 1307 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,400 Speaker 1: same as sort of like for la folks who do 1308 01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,760 Speaker 1: have phones. So my point here is we have this 1309 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: SMS service that we have asked you know, people who 1310 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:57,240 Speaker 1: voluntarily want to sign on to uh get information that 1311 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,839 Speaker 1: you know, is pushed out when we have like events 1312 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,880 Speaker 1: that we know about, whether there are things that we're 1313 01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,680 Speaker 1: doing or other organizations are doing, you know, that have 1314 01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,879 Speaker 1: to do with sort of like where can you access 1315 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:13,280 Speaker 1: the basic resources like showers or food or other things. 1316 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:19,640 Speaker 1: But particularly with respect to the protests, we you know, 1317 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:25,240 Speaker 1: once well when the curfew started happening, we found that 1318 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,720 Speaker 1: we were able to use this SMS service as a 1319 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,479 Speaker 1: way to let folks know who normally may not be 1320 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:37,519 Speaker 1: able to connect and also you know, let their neighbors 1321 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,120 Speaker 1: who don't have any kind of digital access to know 1322 01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,400 Speaker 1: that the curfews were in place. So that's one thing 1323 01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,479 Speaker 1: that we've been able to kind of think about how 1324 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,960 Speaker 1: we can purpose like the tools that are at our 1325 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,280 Speaker 1: disposal to be able to share more you know, like 1326 01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:01,400 Speaker 1: factual information with people. And we would invite to also, 1327 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,559 Speaker 1: you know, like let us know if there's other things 1328 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,599 Speaker 1: that you're doing on a regular basis that we may 1329 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,400 Speaker 1: be able to help push out on this SMUs platform. 1330 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,600 Speaker 1: May I pick it back off of that too. That 1331 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,759 Speaker 1: is true that unhouse people have cell phones, but people 1332 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,840 Speaker 1: because I am on house, so I want to clear 1333 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:24,160 Speaker 1: about my own experiences with this, so no misunderstanding. Many 1334 01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,160 Speaker 1: unhouse people do have cell phones, but unfortunately during COVID 1335 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:32,000 Speaker 1: nineteen their lives a problem. I couldn't charge myself, I 1336 01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,840 Speaker 1: couldn't keep up to date with information that was going on. 1337 01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,840 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that there were certain speeks in 1338 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,080 Speaker 1: certain areas until I had to be able to find 1339 01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,839 Speaker 1: a charging station. The second issue was because the stores 1340 01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,360 Speaker 1: are on the places that are usually go have a 1341 01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,639 Speaker 1: very unhoused sediment, and they cut down the charging places. 1342 01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,840 Speaker 1: The library wasn't open, So a lot of times, a 1343 01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:58,640 Speaker 1: lot of the information pipeline can be compromised in that 1344 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,600 Speaker 1: respect that the things are going on and there are 1345 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,479 Speaker 1: on house people that like for example, are keeping their phones, 1346 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,719 Speaker 1: keeping the information on the battery juice for the important 1347 01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,760 Speaker 1: cause like doctor appointments and things of that nature. But 1348 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,559 Speaker 1: the the long and short of it is that there 1349 01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,160 Speaker 1: is a percientage of people that have phones, but then 1350 01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,760 Speaker 1: there is some The issue is that we are not 1351 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:28,600 Speaker 1: able to charge our phones as as I can, you say, 1352 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,439 Speaker 1: expeditiously as possible. I want to leave you with the 1353 01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,280 Speaker 1: ending thought here, and then Pastor Cafy is going to 1354 01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,640 Speaker 1: close us out. If you are neutral in situations of injustice, 1355 01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,080 Speaker 1: you have chosen the side of the oppressive. So please 1356 01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,679 Speaker 1: remember that. And I hope I thank you all for listening, 1357 01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,120 Speaker 1: and I hope and thank you all for attending as well, 1358 01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,320 Speaker 1: and I hope again to meet in the light of understanding. 1359 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,479 Speaker 1: All right, you guys, I just want to say goodbye 1360 01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:57,200 Speaker 1: THEO what it means to pray for all of y'all. 1361 01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,160 Speaker 1: But I ain't going to do it. So what I 1362 01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,840 Speaker 1: am going to do, it's as that you all be 1363 01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:12,120 Speaker 1: graced with blessings of good health, peace, safety, especially in 1364 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:18,400 Speaker 1: these times that we do find unity, you know, and 1365 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:24,760 Speaker 1: everybody here gets invite at life, liberty and the pursuit 1366 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,559 Speaker 1: of happiness. So thank you all for joining, and I 1367 01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,439 Speaker 1: look forward to doing this again, y'all. I just didn't 1368 01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,200 Speaker 1: want to have another Kumba y'all moment. We can't sit 1369 01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:38,880 Speaker 1: around making each other feel we can't sit around making 1370 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,160 Speaker 1: each other feel comfortable. We have to Truth is not 1371 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,799 Speaker 1: Truth is painful sometimes, and so I hope you guys 1372 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,479 Speaker 1: everybody felt hurt, and I hope next time everybody feels 1373 01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,519 Speaker 1: even more free to say what you feel and think. 1374 01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,519 Speaker 1: I know this is not easy. That's all I have 1375 01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:58,719 Speaker 1: to say, Corinne, any closing thoughts before we all say goodbye. 1376 01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad you have been here tonight. I want to 1377 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:06,120 Speaker 1: thank everybody for being here and let the conversation continue. 1378 01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:11,160 Speaker 1: We need this, we need this, they say, they say, 1379 01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:16,320 Speaker 1: the host go last, making sure everyone is going is 1380 01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:22,479 Speaker 1: pastrokathic on No, No, she's still here. Okay. I wanted 1381 01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,960 Speaker 1: to ask, being too something Okay, been too said a word, 1382 01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:32,160 Speaker 1: two words right, being to said those two words, don't 1383 01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,600 Speaker 1: say those what were they? I missed it? No, I 1384 01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,680 Speaker 1: mean I think what I was saying, and I was 1385 01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,120 Speaker 1: just trying to make sure I was talking about whiteness 1386 01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,599 Speaker 1: and blackness or the term white and the term black, 1387 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:48,080 Speaker 1: that's all and just I was just basically trying to 1388 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,760 Speaker 1: try to address those two words because they're kind of 1389 01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:54,760 Speaker 1: constricting and I know they're shorthand and you know, but 1390 01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,639 Speaker 1: I was basically trying to address, you know, because those 1391 01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,400 Speaker 1: are just you know, race is just construct you know, 1392 01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:05,840 Speaker 1: like black is beautiful, but also racism construct and it 1393 01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,599 Speaker 1: was made up and it was it's used in America 1394 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:14,600 Speaker 1: for brutality. So I was basically just addressing, you know, 1395 01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,040 Speaker 1: like a couple of ideas, just that you know, black 1396 01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:23,320 Speaker 1: black represents more than just our history post slavery. Black 1397 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,880 Speaker 1: existed before slavery, and I was trying to also exist 1398 01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,680 Speaker 1: the other on the other hand, also, whiteness, the concept 1399 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,160 Speaker 1: is a brutal concept, and so I was just trying 1400 01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,400 Speaker 1: to like touch on that because it's just so much 1401 01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,680 Speaker 1: of a bigger thing beyond slavery. That's you know, I 1402 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:44,880 Speaker 1: just want you know, for for anybody who I I know, 1403 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, the most. I'm not trying to 1404 01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,400 Speaker 1: be the smartest or anything like that. Just in case 1405 01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:55,280 Speaker 1: anybody who was president didn't have their wasn't already exposed 1406 01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:59,040 Speaker 1: to that thinking. I just wanted to mention those thoughts. 1407 01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,679 Speaker 1: You may I ask a follow up question, Go ahead, 1408 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:08,240 Speaker 1: So I I never heard whiteness and blackness? Okay, tow 1409 01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:12,080 Speaker 1: how is this used in what context or in which 1410 01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,040 Speaker 1: in which sentence? It would it be more like to 1411 01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:21,599 Speaker 1: describe someone's color? Or how is it usually used? Well, 1412 01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,200 Speaker 1: if I put on my teaching hat again, I have 1413 01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,639 Speaker 1: to go and educate you with the origins of this country, 1414 01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,200 Speaker 1: and this country created and met up almost like the 1415 01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:37,000 Speaker 1: Nissan Conference, and created this construct to delineate between the 1416 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,360 Speaker 1: people that they captured and to afford them not only 1417 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:46,160 Speaker 1: this construct but generational wealth, generational power in order to 1418 01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,400 Speaker 1: dominate the people that they conquered and the people that 1419 01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:56,040 Speaker 1: they have enslaved. For example, they like they but the 1420 01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:59,200 Speaker 1: indigenous people they called them the red man or Indians 1421 01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,800 Speaker 1: or in there. For example, they call uh before they 1422 01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,360 Speaker 1: called us black. It was not always that very nice. 1423 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,760 Speaker 1: They call us negros. Negro negroes and and these kind 1424 01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:15,000 Speaker 1: of things that are germinated into this construct. The construct 1425 01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,639 Speaker 1: was always the dominant was the person on the top 1426 01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,840 Speaker 1: of the tier was white. And from that measuring stick, 1427 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,800 Speaker 1: if you did not join that group a class of 1428 01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:29,000 Speaker 1: people and not always just white, wealthy white, then you 1429 01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,640 Speaker 1: were relegated and through a pecking horse, because then it 1430 01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,800 Speaker 1: was the wealthy white. Then it was called or the 1431 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:40,160 Speaker 1: pecker woods. And of course anybody, uh before the Asians 1432 01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:45,320 Speaker 1: were here, uh uh, Native Americans or Indigenous Americans, I'm sorry, 1433 01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,280 Speaker 1: other groups had to fight for the crumbs off the 1434 01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,240 Speaker 1: table of the dark rest of the egalitarians or you know, 1435 01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,400 Speaker 1: the rich, so there in lives. Why that term is 1436 01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:04,280 Speaker 1: so embedded in our cultural morais and staf very helpful, 1437 01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:10,320 Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, so we should close this one out 1438 01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:15,920 Speaker 1: because I got to go to another one. Okay, well, 1439 01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:19,760 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. A beating to Bye Kathy, 1440 01:35:19,760 --> 01:37:28,280 Speaker 1: bye bye. Sason Sagon, Jason Ships Ships, ship Ships ship 1441 01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,960 Speaker 1: Albers shipp