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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds, and of political polls. As seventy two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Americans think there's too much money in politics,

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<v Speaker 1>we have such a great show for you today. The

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Cap. Then we'll talk to Iowa State Auditor Rob

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<v Speaker 1>sand about his run for governor.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, Somali, the people are pissed because they love

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<v Speaker 2>their SSRIs and RFK Junior is threatening to come take them.

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<v Speaker 2>We long heard this rumor. People brushed it away, said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're so paranoid. This is in nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Ed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Now we have very credible reports that he really

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<v Speaker 2>wants to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me explain to you how fuck this is OURFK

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<v Speaker 1>Junior is doing a lot of very unpopular stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably the most unpopular. I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>he basically is obsessed with SSRIs and wants to make

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<v Speaker 1>it so that people have to come off of them,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like an insane thing that literally nobody wants.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like one of the most fucked up things.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy is blaming the country's mental health crisis, not on

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<v Speaker 1>our guns, not on our lack of therapy, not on

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<v Speaker 1>many many things that are a problem in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>but on the one thing that maybe helping people, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is SSRIs. I mean, I have to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is such a fruitcake and it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>so angry, and it's just insane. And there's someone who

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<v Speaker 1>has had great success taking effects or and who is

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<v Speaker 1>the child of two people who took SSRIs and had

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<v Speaker 1>it saved their lives. This is just really absolutely insane

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<v Speaker 1>and it's terrible, and I mean, I'm very curious to

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<v Speaker 1>know at the polling on this is because I bet

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<v Speaker 1>the American people fucking hate this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the other really crazy thing is is

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<v Speaker 2>the details of what it's like to get off these

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<v Speaker 2>pills are not not pretty details, right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I mean the whole thing is completely But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also like, why should we go off for SSRIs

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<v Speaker 1>because RFK Junior, a guy who we saw to a

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<v Speaker 1>zin and who tans I mean, and this doesn't exist

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<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum, right. We also know that this HHS

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<v Speaker 1>has made it so they're trying to bring flavored vapes

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<v Speaker 1>back on the market, flavored vapes which are used primarily

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<v Speaker 1>by children. And they are also trying to make it

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<v Speaker 1>so that underage people can use tanning beds, tanning beds,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something that causes cancer. You know, they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to bring Roundup back. I mean, these guys do not

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<v Speaker 1>give a fuck about your house. What they care about

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<v Speaker 1>out is whatever they're weird agenda is, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's anti vacs, anti anti antidepressants, pro smoking, pro tanning,

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<v Speaker 1>pro I mean these guys pro chemicals and roundup, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these guys are fucked and their idea of

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<v Speaker 1>health is insane and no one should listen to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, this guy should be fired tomorrow, agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of people who should never have been hired and

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<v Speaker 2>should be fired tomorrow, we have Janeine Piro Janin Piro

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<v Speaker 2>really demonstrating what you're starting to hear. John Ossuf and

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<v Speaker 2>Graham Platner explain really well. I think on the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>trail that the rules for Trump and his friends are

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<v Speaker 2>a world apart. They don't even resemble the rules for you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're the people, you know, because she thinks that

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<v Speaker 2>the penalty for anybody who's involved with them.

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<v Speaker 3>They should just really be late.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Judge Box of Wine, you may remember her

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<v Speaker 1>from being on teav on Fox News, says that a

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<v Speaker 1>lobbyist who embezzled one million dollars should get no more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty four months in prison. Why because this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonas Murphy says a romantic relationship prompted his crime. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeanine Pierro, the US attorney for the District of Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>recommended that a lobbyist who admitted to abasling more than

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<v Speaker 1>a million from his employer's political committee, received no more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty four months in prison, according to a sentencing

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<v Speaker 1>memorandum a wild Thursday. So he is the former director

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<v Speaker 1>of the National Venture Capital Association, and FYI he used

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<v Speaker 1>their capital for his venture. Oh, I have longed to

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<v Speaker 1>make such a joke. Yeah, I mean, look, this is

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<v Speaker 1>they don't think of white collar crime as crime because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason for that. Do you know what the

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<v Speaker 1>reason for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is because it's their business model.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and right exactly, there you go. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good line.

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<v Speaker 2>So, speaking of their business model, this is the reality

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<v Speaker 2>TV in Fox News administration. So Sean Duffy, who has

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<v Speaker 2>a job that he's been not doing very well and

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<v Speaker 2>just believes Pete boota judge all day for every problem

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<v Speaker 2>he encounters. He decided he has enough time to have

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<v Speaker 2>a reality TV show, since that's the world he comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, look, these are actors. These people are

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<v Speaker 1>not politicians, they're not legislators, they're not cabinet members. They're actors,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not very good actors. So Sean Duffy was

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<v Speaker 1>over the last seven months not working in the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Transportation, which he was ostensibly, at least supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the secretary of. No, he was doing The Great

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<v Speaker 1>American Road Trip, which will air for free on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. He says

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<v Speaker 1>it costs zero taxpayer dollars were spent on my family

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<v Speaker 1>and he did not receive a salary, though he did

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<v Speaker 1>receive a salary. Can you guess what he did receive

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<v Speaker 1>a salary for, Oh, I know, being the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Transportation. Also, let me just add I

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<v Speaker 1>know that since these guys all they do is cryptocracy,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really think about that much anymore. But like

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<v Speaker 1>the sponsors. Okay, so these are companies which sponsored a

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<v Speaker 1>television show which features the head of the Department of Transportation.

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<v Speaker 1>These are companies now that have like a special relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with the head of transportation in the government. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>understand how fucked this is? So Boeing and Shell and

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<v Speaker 1>Toyota and United Airlines and Wereal Caribbean sponsored this? So

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean that Airbus doesn't have the same relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with our government because they did not sponsor this great

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<v Speaker 1>American road trip? Do you see what I'm saying? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is why you can't fucking do this? You need right?

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<v Speaker 1>It is because you can't. We cannot have a government

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<v Speaker 1>that does deals with some people and get uses those

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<v Speaker 1>deals to you know, do their little side hustles. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because it goes back to what Obama said, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Obama said, we need to have a president who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>do side hustles, like who doesn't do real estate, who

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have crypto, who doesn't do you know, who isn't

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<v Speaker 1>making money five different ways? And there's a reason for

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<v Speaker 1>that because this is our money, This is taxpayer money

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<v Speaker 1>and should not be used to enrich or to use

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<v Speaker 1>the people who serve in government is just cleptocracy all

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking way down. Also, the hilarious, the truly hilarious

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<v Speaker 1>part of this is that gas is like ten million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a gall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So it really does remind you that gas is ten

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<v Speaker 1>gazillion dollars agall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I can't wait to see another TSA shortage

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<v Speaker 2>or another air traffic controller shortage, and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be taping my road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is another one of those articles that we

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<v Speaker 2>could have predicted really easily that this was happening, but

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<v Speaker 2>we now have proof. FEMA club blocking grants the states

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't vote for Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he said he was going to do it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I'm going to block grants for blue states.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is this is how it works with

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. Right, he is the president for the people

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<v Speaker 1>who voted for him, and that is it. So FEMA

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<v Speaker 1>has been deliberately delaying grants to blue states. The Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Post reported that FEMA significantly decreased the amount of hazard

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<v Speaker 1>mitigation grants to Democratic led states last year. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the agency appears. I mean, this is just

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right. California received only eight hundred and thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars from FEMA. Since July twenty twenty five, Colorado has

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<v Speaker 1>not received anything. Experts say this is deliberate and targeted.

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<v Speaker 1>A deliberate and targeted decision. I mean, there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen. Very unsurprising. This is how it is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Trump World in a nutshell. Hey, it's Molly

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<v Speaker 1>john Fast here. My memoir How to Lose Your Mother

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<v Speaker 1>the news. Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>Project and the host of the Lincoln Podcast. Welcome, Welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Molly, how are you now?

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I do not have a gold statue of

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<v Speaker 1>May not yet. Uh explain this?

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<v Speaker 3>Why you don't have a gold statue yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Because people don't love me the way they should? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you explain the gold statue story.

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<v Speaker 3>Down at Durral? Yes, there has now been created a

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<v Speaker 3>It is a twenty two foot tall which, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>using biblical terms, that's fourteen point four to seven cubits.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to golden statue of Donald Trump. It was

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<v Speaker 3>inaugurated by having a group of maga religious figures come

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<v Speaker 3>and praise and bless it now as it has been

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<v Speaker 3>a long time since Divinity class. But I do recall

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<v Speaker 3>thou shalt have no other God but me was very

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<v Speaker 3>early one of the prohibitions that the Lord in Exodus

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<v Speaker 3>laid out pretty clearly. But this is a example of

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<v Speaker 3>outright idolatry. This is an example of how MAGA has

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<v Speaker 3>become a religion. And you know that it hit home

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<v Speaker 3>because immediately after it, a lot of the MAGA pastors

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<v Speaker 3>were suddenly racing to the Internet writing five thousand word

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<v Speaker 3>screeds like oh no, no, no no. Even though we're

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<v Speaker 3>all talking about how Trump is better at the Bible

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<v Speaker 3>than the pope and and understands everything better than everyone

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<v Speaker 3>else and has magical powers, we're not really worshiping like

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<v Speaker 3>a god, except that we built a golden statue to it.

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<v Speaker 3>The minute someone says that I'm not engaged in idolatry

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<v Speaker 3>and idol worship, they are engaged in idol worship.

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<v Speaker 1>It is also like, you know, Trump, this week, we

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<v Speaker 1>had Marco go over and try to smooth things out

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<v Speaker 1>with the pope, and it is like Trump constantly runs

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<v Speaker 1>a foul with the pope, which shouldn't be something that

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<v Speaker 1>a president does.

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<v Speaker 3>One should not attempt to run a foul of the

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<v Speaker 3>pope in a deliberate way.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think is interesting though about Trump running a

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<v Speaker 1>foul with the pope, is that the pulling on Trump

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<v Speaker 1>putting himself in an outfit to look like Jesus is

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<v Speaker 1>as like the maga no like maga no likey. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Look that has caused another one of these other And look,

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<v Speaker 3>I keep telling people like, never expect a single day

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<v Speaker 3>where fifty percent of manga goes. I'm done, But it's

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<v Speaker 3>half a percent here, a percent there, two percent here,

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<v Speaker 3>two percent there. And the religious stuff with Catholics fighting

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<v Speaker 3>with the Holy Father going up against the Vicar of

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<v Speaker 3>Rome is historically a bad debt politically. Yeah, and Trump

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<v Speaker 3>keeps doing it. Yeah, Marco going over there and giving

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<v Speaker 3>the pope a tiny crystal.

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<v Speaker 1>Football and didn't he say didn't he say? Oh wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? The Pope was like oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting thing about the Pope is, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>young American pope who speaks English and who became pope

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<v Speaker 1>because of his work in South America and his ministering

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<v Speaker 1>to the poor. And he was not, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity minister. He was a you know, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>small parish that was really you know, involved in in

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<v Speaker 1>sort of fighting poverty. I think this is relevant.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean good works amongst the poor and

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<v Speaker 3>deserving rich. No private didn't get a private jet out

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean right, it's relevant when you're the administration that

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<v Speaker 1>is filled with kleptocrats and billionaires to be to have

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<v Speaker 1>run a foul with the pope who is known for

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<v Speaker 1>quiet service to the poor.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a broad there's a broad area of Catholicism

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<v Speaker 3>that is about those good works amongst the poor. There

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<v Speaker 3>is a very different aspect of American evangelical Christianity that

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<v Speaker 3>is about prosperity gospel and who gets the biggest jet

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<v Speaker 3>and God wants you to be rich if you'll donate

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<v Speaker 3>to my church and all that stuff. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>culture clash in some ways really represents a It sort

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<v Speaker 3>of exemplifies what's going on in America right now, Molly.

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<v Speaker 3>This country has a choice to make. Broadly speaking, are

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<v Speaker 3>we going to do like that hard work of democracy

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<v Speaker 3>stuff which is more akin to what the pope does,

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<v Speaker 3>or are we going to do the cheap sugar rush

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, a church that has fireworks in it

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<v Speaker 3>on Sundays and smoke machines and trapeze guys. None of that,

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<v Speaker 3>to me is clearer than when you see, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this pope who came out of a very strong tradition

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<v Speaker 3>of faith and works versus the American evangelical movement, which

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<v Speaker 3>got what they wanted in Trump, which was a new kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of god right prosparity, and that that.

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<v Speaker 3>Statue going up there, you know it is it is

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<v Speaker 3>people are making the North Korea analogy that just doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>get there. Maga feels about Trump with a sense of

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<v Speaker 3>he has supplanted God in their faith structure.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want it go from there to hear because

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<v Speaker 1>I both agree with you and also want to add,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I think that when these people go to

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<v Speaker 1>the gas pomp, they are starting like so again to

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<v Speaker 1>this idea you don't get. You know, it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be one day that they all turn, but like

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<v Speaker 1>you're definitely like if using the huge number of truckers

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<v Speaker 1>sixty plus percentage of truckers voted for Trump, diesel is

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<v Speaker 1>as expensive as it has ever been, right, diesel is

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<v Speaker 1>breaking records and there are a number of reasons for that,

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<v Speaker 1>but the biggest is because Donald Trump decided to go

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<v Speaker 1>into Iran, so to bomb the Iranians. So yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>close the straits and diesel. So I do think that,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're a trucker who is, people are are

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<v Speaker 1>smart enough that they understand that four weeks ago or

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<v Speaker 1>five weeks ago. And by the way, Trump today, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>true social did this war is not nearly as long.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about that, go I knieve.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Donald making the analogy and somehow trying to convince

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<v Speaker 3>people that either the war is over or that other

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<v Speaker 3>wars are much longer, and why not give me more time?

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<v Speaker 1>He's disciplination I'm having.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. And as you and I talked about before, there

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<v Speaker 3>are things in the world that you just can't spend,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you're the biggest Trump fan in the universe.

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<v Speaker 3>You stit there at that gas pump, and there's no

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<v Speaker 3>way that the gas that is six bucks that you

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<v Speaker 3>can say to yourself, I just paid two bucks for gas.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't say that it's not real, yea. And the

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<v Speaker 3>pain of the economic stuff. With global oil supplies now

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<v Speaker 3>reaching a record low, we've only got about three weeks

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<v Speaker 3>or so before we start having big energy shortages around

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<v Speaker 3>the world because of all. Yes, and here in America

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I think is pretty interesting is that you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell that Trump gets that, and you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>that he is like, I want to end the war now,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're starting to see he's starting to say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's over. We got a one we got this one

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<v Speaker 1>page piece agreement. By the way, just because our leader

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<v Speaker 1>can't read doesn't mean they can't read. Like they could

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<v Speaker 1>give him five pages. You know, they could give the arrangement.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody I could summarize. Somebody could summarize it for Trump

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<v Speaker 3>in one page. But most diplomatic agreements in the world

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<v Speaker 3>have some complexity and some depth and some granularity to them.

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<v Speaker 3>And this idea, there's a one page agreement. For me,

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<v Speaker 3>once again, that smelled like Trump trying to pump the

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<v Speaker 3>stock market rather than sealing a real deal that memorializes

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<v Speaker 3>America's defeat against Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we were talking before, I was thinking so

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<v Speaker 1>much about, like how we've had these moments in American

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<v Speaker 1>democracy where you and I and people on television, all

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<v Speaker 1>of us have said, you know, this is about American democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>American democracy is important because of debat deat debt, and

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<v Speaker 1>people will be like, yeah, I guess, but we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the woman candidate, or no, I guess, but like

0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.200
<v Speaker 1>people don't actually vote on democracy, or at least they

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<v Speaker 1>don't in the way and they don't vote enough like

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<v Speaker 1>they might vote in the midterms on it, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to defeat Trump on it now, especially.

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<v Speaker 3>Now with the economic economic pressure being so high on everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>But now that Donald Trump has just completely failed to deliver,

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<v Speaker 1>he basically has done the opposite of everything he ran. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think people are I mean, like the polling

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<v Speaker 1>is gonzo, like it is literally like the strongly talk

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<v Speaker 1>us through the polling because you are and look, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to say so many Democrats really quickly. I know

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's kind of depressed about the redistricting stuff. Nothing has

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<v Speaker 3>changed about the polling environment in the country right. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these things that they've done are going to

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<v Speaker 3>help them a little, but they have a problem that

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<v Speaker 3>is so much bigger that you can't redistrict your way

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<v Speaker 3>out of.

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<v Speaker 1>And it could hurt them, right because if you were

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<v Speaker 1>an R.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus four now you're in an R plus two or two. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think one of the biggest things to consider

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<v Speaker 3>right now is his numbers on economic performance are at

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<v Speaker 3>record lows. They are where Biden's numbers were in the

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<v Speaker 3>worst when we had ten percent inflation. They are really, really,

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<v Speaker 3>really catastrophic. But one thing we're watching that's emerging in

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<v Speaker 3>more and more polling when you're asking people, is your

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<v Speaker 3>vote in favor of the Republicans, in favor of the

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats or to put a check on Trump? In Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>that number of people checking Trump's behavior they want someone

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<v Speaker 3>to slam on the brakes on Trump. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>is it should for Republicans be the most concerning number

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<v Speaker 3>because none of them have done the smart thing and

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<v Speaker 3>gotten away from Trump. Mike Lawler, who was one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most endangered Republicans in the country ten days ago,

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<v Speaker 3>is like, oh, we need the ball room. Well, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is that message is not working for the average

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<v Speaker 3>Americans paying five bucks plus for gas.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is a real problem for Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is so what happened last week. Donald Trump ran

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<v Speaker 1>in ill in Indiana against all So there were people

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.680
<v Speaker 1>who refused to redistrict and Donald Trump basically ran there.

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<v Speaker 1>He primaried all of them and many of them lost.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea here now is that Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>the party in Lockstead. But here is the problem. Donald

0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Trump has control over the primary base. Right the Republican base,

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<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't have he can't grow the party enough.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're running for if you're Mike Lawler and

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<v Speaker 1>you're running for reelection, you have to hit yourself to Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to do ballroom with Trump while still trying

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<v Speaker 1>to win in a purple district.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. And I think the problem right now for most Republicans,

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<v Speaker 3>most Republicans are so tightly bound up to Donald Trump.

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.320
<v Speaker 3>They've epoxied themselves to Donald Trump. They're glued to him,

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<v Speaker 3>and that stuff doesn't go away in the age of

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet. It's always going to be there. Mike Lawler

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<v Speaker 3>could tomorrow go out and say I think we should

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<v Speaker 3>peach Donald Trump, and I'll still have a clip of

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 3>him saying, we got to build a ballroom for Donald Trump. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And they're afraid. You know, as you pointed out in Indiana,

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<v Speaker 3>you saw Trump's ability in a Republican primary to blow

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<v Speaker 3>people out, to go in there and blow people up

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<v Speaker 3>and get rid of people he doesn't want. Well, these

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<v Speaker 3>guys all live in that sense of constant fear of

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and of his and I think I think as

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<v Speaker 3>primary season ends, you might see a few of them

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<v Speaker 3>running for Daylight it's been so long of them doing this,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how they get away.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you are running for Daylight, say you're making

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<v Speaker 1>the calculus that you are Michae Lawler, because he's a

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<v Speaker 1>good example, because he's in in a D district, right

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<v Speaker 1>and which is only going to get more is only

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<v Speaker 1>more democratic now, so that he's an ability. He is

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 1>in a districts at Harrisonon. If you're Mike Lawler, you're thinking, well,

0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.919
<v Speaker 1>this president has terrible this president has terrible numbers, so

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<v Speaker 1>I have to run against him. But if I run

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<v Speaker 1>against him at all, MAGA won't come out for me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a terrible conundrum. And I really feel for them

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<v Speaker 3>right now. Yeah, my heart breaks for them right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean you must see that everywhere, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>must see Republicans trying to be cause if you Trump

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 1>is not a candidate, where like with Biden, Biden would say,

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you have to run against me, it's okay, right,

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.119
<v Speaker 1>or remember Nancy Pelosi, if you need to break with

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<v Speaker 1>me to keep the seat, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty eighteen, Nancy Pelosi went out and explicitly said

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<v Speaker 3>to the Democratic congressional candidates, Hey, if you're not. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're not, if they're hanging too much stuff from DC

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<v Speaker 3>on you, you can say, hey, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be like one of those Democrats. I'm an independent Democrat

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<v Speaker 3>from this district. And no one know well, I won't

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 3>say no one. But people were in on the trick.

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<v Speaker 3>People were in on the strategy. They were like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, even more progressive groups were like, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 3>got to get this person over the line so we

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 3>can get a majority. So we're not going to go

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<v Speaker 3>out and nuke them if they don't say exactly the

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<v Speaker 3>right thing on you know, every single issue, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>running in Missouri or Kentucky or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So and in twenty eighteen, Democrats flipped three congressional seats

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Iowa.

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<v Speaker 3>YEP.

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<v Speaker 1>At Iowa this year, we had this guy, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Sam he is going to be president.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got the gift, Molly, He's got the gift. My

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 3>colleague Joe Trippy called me about a month ago when

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 3>he was out there and he said, are you paying

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 3>attention to this guy yet? I'm like, I've heard the name,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, And so I watched them clips and

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<v Speaker 3>he gets better every interview. He's frighteningly good. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I also think, And I'm not one of

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 3>those like dreamy eyed people who like get swept up

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<v Speaker 3>in the talent.

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<v Speaker 1>You you really aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really not. Yeah, but he has the talent. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's a thing in politics that if you've got the gift, Yeah,

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 3>it transcends party stuff. Because you walked into a sat

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.360
<v Speaker 3>with the room with Barack Obama and you came away

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 3>and you felt inspired. You sat room with George Bush,

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<v Speaker 3>you felt like he was your best friend. You sat

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<v Speaker 3>in the room with Bill Clinton, you felt like he

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 3>understood your heart and Regan, you felt like you could

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<v Speaker 3>do anything when you walked out that door. And this

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 3>guy has that gift.

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<v Speaker 1>And we after the interview, I said, Jesse, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be president.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm moving to Iowa.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the guy is so good. But he also

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly than that, he's six three.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, it matters.

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<v Speaker 1>After we interviewed him, I said, so you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>run for president next and he said, I am just

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<v Speaker 1>running for governor of Iowa, which is the only okay answer.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a perfectly good answer, right, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I said, how tall are you? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>because he also looked very young, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>old are you?

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<v Speaker 3>And we are reaching a point right now where democratic

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<v Speaker 3>young democratic leaders are coming up. They're going to replace

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.959
<v Speaker 3>the septuagenarian class who have in many ways been so

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 3>traumatized the Republicans for so long that they don't fight

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 3>the right way, and they don't speak American, as David

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 3>Cousinin always said, and speaking American is what you see

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Rob stand doing. And I look, I think Iowa. I

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 3>think there's motion in Nebraska which makes me feel like

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm picking crazy pills. Nebraska, Yep, da Osborne, I think

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Dan you know is Ricketts is like a like a

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 3>sock puppet Republican And there's like, aside from the check book,

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 3>there's no there there, Big chook. Vivek is flailing. Amy

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 3>Acton is doing very well in Ohio. They're moving up

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 3>did she and David Pepper are moving up fast. There

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 3>is something going on with Democrats who have learned to

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 3>talk about the economy again and center the lives of

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 3>ordinary people, Republicans and Democrats and nonpartisan voters on the

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 3>economic crisis they all feel, and the economic pain they're

0:27:55.680 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 3>all terrified of right, well, shit, let's keep doing more

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>because it seems to be working.

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that I saw so AOC

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>spoke at the Politics Institute in Chicago, interviewed by not

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>some crazy lefty right, and he talked about David and

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about David. And by the way, David also

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>was with the pope recently, so let's all be he's

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 1>not running until he is the pope. But he was

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>talking to AOC, and AOC did the thing. I actually

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>thought this was interesting. I wondered if she had stolen

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>from Mondami so Zorin. So she said, he was asking

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>her a question. Oh, he was asking you a question

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>about running for president.

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 3>And she said, I want to change the country.

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want something more than running for president. I

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>want to change the country. And that made me think, like,

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>because that's the kind of answer we see from Zorin, right, Like,

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>what do you think about you know, I can't think

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 1>about that right now because I'm laser focused on affordability.

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about fast free buses, right. I wondered about that, Listen.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 3>I am a big believer in being on message. Yeah,

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 3>and that doing well means, you know, doing good while

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 3>you're in your first job means you can do well

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 3>in the next one and when you're running for the

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 3>next one. And so look, when you see AOC who's

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 3>a gifted politician, who's a gifted speaker, gifted communicator, say

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.959
<v Speaker 3>that that's very sweeping, But it still feels kind of

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 3>like me, not you. Right, I don't think that's irreparable

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 3>in any way whatsoever. But I think that you've seen

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot of these other candidates in the last year, Virginia,

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>New Jersey everywhere else who are talking about you, not me,

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 3>like I think it's important, she did.

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think the problem for her is the

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>problem for all female politicians, though, which is she gets

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>her celebrity ends up eclipsing her in a certain way.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>So in that answer, she did talk about single payer

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>that she said what she her legacy would be single payer,

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>which in a moment when when millions of people are

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>getting kicked off Obamacare because Republicans refused to renew the.

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 3>Tax Obamacare being what I call just the tip socialist

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 3>health care, right, it's not exactly like a uh not

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 3>exactly like a Nordic socialist health care plan, certainly not,

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 3>but i It fascinates me in some ways that that

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Republicans don't get that could be a real knife in

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 3>their own guts because their people rely on it more

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 3>at per capita in a lot of these big red

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 3>states than Democratic voters do, which is madness when you

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 3>think about it. They are cutting their self, cutting off

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 3>their nose despite their own face, and it's not covered

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 3>even even with a coope.

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson, even the coope.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll see you next absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob sand is the Iowa state auditor and a candidate

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>for a governor in Iowa. Welcome, Welcome, Rob sand Sand,

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Rob Sand, Rob Sand It's right behind you. Sorry going.

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 4>You can call me anything, model ages. Don't call me

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 4>late for dinner, all right, that's right.

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>How many cycles have you been the only Democrat elected

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>state wide?

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<v Speaker 5>That's a good question, just one actually, which goes to

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 5>an important point. Iowans, I should say, split their ticket

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 5>a lot more than people would expect. When I won

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 5>in twenty eighteen, I had company with the attorney general

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.239
<v Speaker 5>and a treasurer, who are both Democrats in Iowa. So

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 5>that's three of our six state wide offices, and those

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 5>guys lost just by a point in twenty twenty two,

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 5>which means that most of the state actually voted fifty

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 5>to fifty three Democrats three Republicans for state wide office.

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>So that's so interesting. So right now I would love

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you to like explain to our listeners what is happening

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>in Iowa.

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 5>Here's a fact that I think will make anybody want

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 5>to keep listening. We have more registered Republican donors to

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 5>our campaign in all of twenty twenty five than any

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 5>of the Republicans writing for governor. And I think that's

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 5>for a lot of different reasons. Number One, they know me,

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 5>They've voted for me twice. They see me as a

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 5>reasonable person who's trying to do public service, not politics.

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 5>Number Two, they've seen what ten years of one party

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 5>control has done to our state. I always understand the

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 5>importance of rotating the crops. Sometimes when you've been doing

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 5>one thing for too long, you need to change it up.

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 5>And you know, basically, we're at a point where for

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 5>the last three years we've averaged forty eight for income growth,

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 5>we're number one for cancer growth. And the folks in

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 5>the Capitol building in Des Moines literally passed a lot

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 5>to make it harder for me. As the state auditor

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.719
<v Speaker 5>to find misspent tax money. This is people who are

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 5>not doing a good job and also actively doing bad.

0:32:58.280 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 5>But I think the other piece of this that I

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 5>is really about our message is it's the idea that

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, like it says behind me here, I want

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 5>to be a governor. For all our campaign slogan is

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 5>not bluer or redder, but truer and better. And I

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 5>talk a lot about how our two choice political system

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 5>is failing us and how I think we need to

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 5>have more options on the ballot and how we need

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 5>to come together to do that, and that's really resonating

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 5>with a lot of people across the political spectrum.

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you are the state auditor right now, you

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>got it. I need you to explain to us because

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>state auditor could be ag chair in Florida. Right, So

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>explain does what the state orditor does in Iowa and

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 1>what number that is in elected offices?

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 4>Two words taxpayers watch dog.

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 5>So we oughtit state government every year, at least nowadays

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 5>as much as they allow it since they passed that

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 5>new law. We aughdit cities, counties and school districts. We

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 5>do public corruption investigations, which was what led me there.

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 5>I was the state's chief public corruption prosecutor for seven

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 5>years before I ran.

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 4>And we also do efficiency promotion.

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 5>We started a program called in my First Term, which

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 5>is all about helping save tax pair dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Jim Reynolds, who was the governor before you, I

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>think one of the really interesting things about Iowa. And

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>by the way, you are not the only Iowa politician

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>we have had on this podcast, because we have had

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>twice a Senate candidate because there's this very messy Democratic

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Senate primary, which we're not going to even talk about

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>because it's not where we're going with this. But Kimral's

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 1>is not running for reelection. She did two terms. She's

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:31.479
<v Speaker 1>not turned out.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 5>She's not turned out, and she has the unique distinction

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 5>of nine quarters in a row as the least popular

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 5>governor in America. So she's not turned out well. But

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 5>I think she saw a tough race ahead, and she

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 5>saw that I was likely to run and decided that

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 5>maybe she didn't want to work that hard. Maybe she

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 5>knew she was going to do it all along, But

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 5>the scuttle but was that she was going to run

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 5>again until very suddenly she wasn't who knows. You know,

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 5>you'd have to ask her at the end of the day.

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 5>She doesn't share her thoughts with me on these things.

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>But we all we also have John E. Arnest who

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 1>decided not to run too.

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 5>Indeed, yeah, two open seats. That hasn't happened since nineteen

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.840
<v Speaker 5>seventy eight. So we have space for a lot of

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:11.439
<v Speaker 5>realignment in Iowa right now.

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I think is the most

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:17.399
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing about Iowa is that there are four congressional seats,

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and during the twenty eighteen midterm, which was one of

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>those midterms where people realize what a disaster Trump was,

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Republicans lost three seats. So I'd love you talk about

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that congressional race just for a minute, you know.

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 5>I think the thing to keep in mind is, so

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 5>we got four seats in twenty eighteen, we won three

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 5>of them. We can do that again here. I think

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 5>that people are ready for change, and they understand that

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 5>we are just in a place where Iowans are frustrated

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 5>and it's been ten years of one party control in Iowa.

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 5>I think people understand power crops and absolute power crops absolutely,

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 5>And then you look around and I think we've got

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 5>a great collection of candidates running for Congress. In all

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 5>of these discs, people that can connect with Iowans, they

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 5>understand the state pretty well. And and again there are

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 5>people who I think at their heart they want to

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 5>they want to try to do good work and make

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 5>things work better, not just you know, wave a blue

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 5>flag or a red flag.

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>So I think of the planks of your candidacy. One

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of the big ones is cancer. I have a husband

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>who has met a stat of cancer. He has neuroendocrine cancer.

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>So it's very slow moving, but it's obviously a big thing.

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 1>And we're seeing a lot of cancer from the groundwater,

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>from the you know, they're just coming from everywhere. And

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 1>in a state like Iowa, where you're doing so much farming,

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>i'd love you to talk about why cancer became such

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a plank and how you how you talk about it

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>when you're running for office.

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 5>I think it's pretty straightforward. We're number one for cancer growth.

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 5>It's really captured the imagination of a lot of Iolands.

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 5>And I think that we're in a real struggle right

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 5>now to make sure that we're acting to do something

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 5>about it. Our legislature last year and the governor allocated

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 5>a million dollars to cancer research.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.359
<v Speaker 4>That's really, honestly.

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 5>An amount of money that a politician will spend to

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 5>buy a talking point when they say that they want

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 5>to do something. Nebraska. I've been talking about Nebraska. They've

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 5>put over twenty million into cancer research.

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 4>And I'm in Iowan.

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 5>I think we want to beat Nebraska, and so I

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 5>think that's the table stakes. We should be wanting to

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 5>put in at least that much to make sure that

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 5>we're healthy in the state of Iowa. Some of this

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 5>is smoking, we do smoke at a higher rate. Some

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 5>of this is alcohol consumption. We do drink at higher rate.

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 5>We also have a tremendous amount of radon, which is

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 5>the second leading cause of lung cancer in America.

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 4>And then we've also got a water quality problem. It

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 4>is contributing it to some degree.

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 5>That's a little bit harder to figure out exactly how much,

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 5>but certainly that's a piece of it.

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So talk to me about this other plank, which

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>is the sort of corruption and people wasting their taxpayer dollars.

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 5>Oh sure, sure, sure, I mean, look, Molly, in my

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.720
<v Speaker 5>first term, we uncovered a record amount of misspent money.

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 5>We got reelected and the answer to that in the

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 5>legislature was to change the law to make it harder

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 5>for us to find misspent money. This was kind of

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 5>a scandal in the auditing world nationally. Every single auditor

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 5>that weighed in on this that does government audits said

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:15.919
<v Speaker 5>this is a terrible low it's going to increase waste

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 5>and abuse of tax dollars in Iowa. In fact, David Walker,

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 5>who was George W. Bush's Comptroller General for most of

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 5>his presidency, wrote the Iowa legislature two letters pointing out

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 5>that this was a terrible idea, and they signed it

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 5>into law anyways, and they've used it since then to

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 5>block audit an audit of the Board of Parole, and

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 5>multiple times to slow down and block an audit of

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.720
<v Speaker 5>the school vouchers program that has next to no accountability

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 5>in the state of Iowa. And then in addition to that,

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 5>just recently they didn't want us to look at what

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 5>was going on at the Board of Educational Examiners related

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.759
<v Speaker 5>to Ian Roberts, who he may recall he was the

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 5>superintendent of the Moines Public Schools and his immigration status

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 5>in Iowa. So it's basically just become a way for

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 5>them to hiden from us in order to hide from

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 5>the public what's actually going on in our state and

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 5>what's going on with people's tax dollars.

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think that's tolerated.

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know that it is.

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 5>I think that's part of the reason that we've got

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 5>an eight point lead in this race according to multiple polsters.

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 5>And I think it's part of the reason that we

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 5>have these all these Republicans who have donated to our

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 5>campaign for governor.

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 4>It really is frustrating for people.

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 5>But I also think it's a little bit harder for

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 5>local news to break through these days. I mean, I

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 5>struggle to find the coverage of what's going on in

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 5>I and well compared to what's going on nationally, And

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 5>so when people are able to do that, it's good,

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 5>but it just takes a little bit longer for that

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.280
<v Speaker 5>stuff to break through these days.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Have you thought about incentivizing local news tax incentives? I mean,

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.479
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be governor theoretically, at least, because that's

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 1>a problem with corruption, right You're running against corruption, You're

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>running against misspending tax dollars. But if there is no

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 1>one who is like it's not shouldn't necessarily be the

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>job of legislators to find the corruption. Shouldn't it be

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the job of journalists to root that out and expose it?

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 5>It should, and I think that local news coverage is

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 5>incredibly important. You know, you make another point, a good

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 5>point there about legislators. I mean, the Iowa legislature has

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 5>refused to do oversight in Iowa of state government. They

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 5>have basically called in just mailed in their job. They've

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 5>done about the amount of time per year of oversight

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 5>of state government as the amount of time that you

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 5>and I are going to spend talking today, Molly.

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 4>They'll haul in a.

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 5>School board if they don't like some book that's in

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 5>the library or some teacher that's in the classroom, But

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.879
<v Speaker 5>they refuse to do oversight of state government because it's

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 5>been run for ten years by the same folks and

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 5>they've decided that they're not worried about accountability in our

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 5>broken two choice political system, and so they're just going

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 5>to do whatever they want for them and their friends.

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>You sort of run away from the democratic label to

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.799
<v Speaker 1>some extent, which is I don't necessarily think is a

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>bad thing. But like what we've seen, and we covered

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>this a lot, was that in some states, you actually

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>have a disadvantage when you have a D next to

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>your name.

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of this, to me comes down

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 5>to just a central confusion that I've had ever since

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 5>I was a teenager. Why do we have to be

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 5>Democrats and Republicans? Why can't I be the state auditor

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 5>who is now running to be the governor. I don't

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 5>think that we should have two private clubs that run

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 5>our democracy. I don't think that a lot of these

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 5>people that are in these private clubs are actually focused

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 5>on solving problems for people. I think they're focused on

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 5>a massing power for themselves. This isn't the criticism of

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 5>either party individually. It's a criticism of the system. And

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:34.239
<v Speaker 5>I think that it is a real problem. And I

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 5>think that most people know it. They feel it, They

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 5>see it every day, and they experience it emotionally when

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 5>they walk into the ballot booth and they go, well,

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm not excited about that one, but geez, that one's scary.

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 5>I mean, they've figured it out right. It's like, solving

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 5>problems is hard. Iowa has a water quality crisis, we

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.320
<v Speaker 5>have a mental health care crisis. Solving those things is

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 5>really complicated. But you can just get re elected if

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 5>you demonize your opponent, and if enough people are not

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 5>willing to consider the only other option on the ballot,

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 5>then you're good to go.

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Right. That is true, and it is a real problem.

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>So when I read that piece in the Times just now,

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about like some of the stuff you're

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>running on doesn't sound very fun, but people like it, right, No,

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.720
<v Speaker 1>because the truth is, you know, Trump ran for office

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>on like you know, I'm going to hurt the people

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't like and make things cheaper which were not possible,

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>but we're appealing. When you were in that bar, I

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>don't drink. I'm sober since I was nineteen, so but

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you were like, you know, alcohol does, so I just

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>am curious, like what's his secret there? Like how do

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you do that?

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Lollie.

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 5>I think we're having a lot of fun in this campaign.

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 5>I had a friend of mine actually who texted me

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 5>afterwards after one of our town halls and was like,

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 5>that was actually funnier than some of the stand up

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 5>that we went to last weekend.

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Like, I like making jokes.

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 5>Not all of them land the right way, but for

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.879
<v Speaker 5>those that do, like, I want people to feel good,

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 5>and I want them to know that politics can be

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 5>a place where we come together and get excited about

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 5>working together to make things better.

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 4>And I think a lot of the stuff that we're.

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 5>Running on, we have a lot of real problems, but

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 5>I think approaching the problems that we face in our

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 5>life with a sense of humor makes dealing with them

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 5>a little bit easier. And I think that's part of

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 5>what brings people out. And again, part of the reason

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 5>that we're seeing strong support in the polls, part of

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 5>the reason we've seen the Cook Report move this race

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.880
<v Speaker 5>to a toss up, whereas the day before I got in,

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 5>they had it ranked as solid Republican.

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 4>And again, part of the.

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 5>Reason that we had sixty five thousand people donate, we

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 5>raised two and a half times the previous fundraising record

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.399
<v Speaker 5>for the off year last year, it's because I'm out

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 5>there being myself.

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm running as myself.

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 5>I'm making jokes, I'm sharing pictures of my dog, I'm

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 5>talking about the burrito that I had for lunch and how,

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 5>oh my goodness, it's the size of Iowa's budget deficit.

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 5>We don't have to just be automatons that talk political talk.

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 5>All the time, we can be human beings. I think

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 5>a lot of people see in this campaign and it

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 5>resonates for them and it makes them think that maybe

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 5>we can have a little bit of fun while we

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 5>go ahead and address serious problems.

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I wonder, well, you could talk about the state House,

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 1>like how is the state House structured? So if you're

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>a Democrat and you see, like if you get in

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>there and you have this sweeping anti corruption message and

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:23.919
<v Speaker 1>you want to sort of undo some of the crazy,

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>you know whatever. Here's a good example. In Arizona, they

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>had a state law that incentivized data centers. It gave

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 1>a tax incentive to data centers, which is a wildly

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>insane thing to do. Like, how is the state legislature structured?

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:43.879
<v Speaker 1>As governor, will they take away power from you? Because

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I saw reporting that they're sort of trying to.

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 5>The Republicans have got a one seat supermajority in the

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 5>state House and they have a not a super majority

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 5>in the state Senate. So this is if this is

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:57.719
<v Speaker 5>a year where we're winning the governor's race, we expect

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 5>that anything that I need to veto, that veto is

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 5>going to stand. And the pledge that I've made is

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 5>pretty straightforward. I'm going to be working with a Republican legislature.

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 5>There's no two ways about that. I'm going to veto

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 5>every culture war bill. We need to be focused on

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 5>improving water quality, improving our education system, fixing our failing economy,

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, address seeing the issues that impact every Iowan.

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 5>And so what I want the legislature to do is

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 5>sit down with me and with other stakeholders across the

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 5>state and actually put together good bills that can get

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 5>bipartisan support to do those things.

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd love you to talk for a minute or

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>two just about like when you talk to iolands, what's

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>happening with them? What are the things that are making

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>them upside.

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 4>I think that iolands are right now.

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 5>They're just they're so frustrated, and I think for a

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 5>lot of people, they look around and they recognize that

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 5>things are not great here right now. Like I said,

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 5>forty eighth for personal income growth over the last three years,

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 5>that's rough. And so the affordability crisis is hitting Iowa,

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 5>but it's hitting us harder because affordability is a two

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 5>piece equation. It's how much money is in your pocket

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 5>and then what's the thing cost, and so when you

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 5>have as much money in your pocket, it's harder. And

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 5>I say to folks, if it seems like your friends

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 5>in other states are doing better, it's because they are right.

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:16.879
<v Speaker 4>So that hurts here.

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.319
<v Speaker 5>But then again you go to you know, so they

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 5>pass a lot to make it harder for us to

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 5>find misspent tax dollars.

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 4>MOLLI.

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 5>There was a bill in the legislature this year that

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.799
<v Speaker 5>would make it so that airports in Iowa have to

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 5>serve alcohol for at least an hour before every flight

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 5>takes off. There was a bill in the legislature this year,

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 5>Molly that would make it so that a dirty body

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:39.240
<v Speaker 5>of water can't be added to the impaired waters list

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 5>for e. Coal I unless you say which species of

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 5>animal contributed that the equal eye to the water. I mean,

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 5>there's all this stuff that's just not only pointless, but

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.439
<v Speaker 5>taking the state backwards, and Iowas are really angry about it.

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 5>But again I go to this, it's not enough. I

0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 5>don't think it's enough. I'm sick of the politics. That is, well,

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 5>the other guy stinks, vote for me.

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 4>That's not enough.

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 5>I really want us to take the next step in

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:11.239
<v Speaker 5>Iowa's proud political tradition of putting guardrails up around politicians

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:13.880
<v Speaker 5>and making sure that their power is channeled to serve

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 5>the people.

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 4>We were the first.

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:18.319
<v Speaker 5>State to create a nonpartisan redistricting commission. We're the first

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 5>state to create a merit based judicial selection system. I

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 5>want us to move away from having special legal privileges

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 5>for the Democratic and Republican parties. I want us to

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.359
<v Speaker 5>have more options on the ballot so Iowans can more

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 5>easily hold elected officials accountable. And if we do those things,

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.400
<v Speaker 5>I think it's going to help push elected officials to

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 5>actually be focused on real problems. I always think of

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 5>the Lord's Prayer. My faith is an incredibly important motivator

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 5>to me. In the Lord's Prayer, we say, lead us

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 5>not into temptation. But we have this system that tells

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 5>elected officials and candidates, hey, you know, solving problems is hard,

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 5>but you can probably get re elected if you can

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 5>just convince everybody that their only other option is worse.

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 5>That's not good enough. And it's a big piece of

0:47:58.320 --> 0:47:59.760
<v Speaker 5>what's led us to where we are today.

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Change that. I think we're going to get better results

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.279
<v Speaker 4>out of our political system and see things get refocused

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 4>on public service rather than partisanship.

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.240
<v Speaker 1>From sand thank you so much for joining.

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.760
<v Speaker 4>Hey, happy to be here, Thanks for having me, Ellie.

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 1>No moment, what is your moment?

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 3>My momentifuckery is that Donald Trump is such a pathetic

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 3>child he had to use the the reflecting pool as

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 3>a go kart track for his official motorcade the other

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.560
<v Speaker 3>day while they're painting it with some paint that isn't

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 3>working a bid contract.

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 1>The whole thing, right, the.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Whole thing is so trump Ism in every way. Something

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 3>that was beloved by America has to be polluted and

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 3>left up by this guy on a no bid contract

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 3>to a friend of his who.

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Did Trump.

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 3>The job. I mean, it's like wraps everything up in a.

0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Bow and has done other pools from our a lago

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>different Trump branded properties. And also it's painted like the

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 1>it's painted like a blue that you have never seen

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in nature.

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Correct, it is a blue maybe found on like tropical

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<v Speaker 3>fish somewhere on a reef that none of us are

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<v Speaker 3>been into. But otherwise it is just one more thing

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<v Speaker 3>where he's trying to put his stamp on something that

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<v Speaker 3>was dignified and proper, and people viewed it as a

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<v Speaker 3>symbol of the country for one hundred years, and now

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to cheapen it up. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be surprised if he doesn't put like spotlights and

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<v Speaker 3>gold leaf all over the Lincoln Memorial before this is over.

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<v Speaker 1>The Las vegasization.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we have a Trump star somewhere on the mall.

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<v Speaker 3>I should not give him ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>No, do not. Thank you, Rick Wilson.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see you next time.

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