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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and of political polls. As seventy two

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Speaker 1: percent of Americans think there's too much money in politics,

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Speaker 1: we have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Trump's

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Speaker 1: Golden Cap. Then we'll talk to Iowa State Auditor Rob

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Speaker 2: But first, Somali, the people are pissed because they love

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Speaker 2: their SSRIs and RFK Junior is threatening to come take them.

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Speaker 2: We long heard this rumor. People brushed it away, said, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're so paranoid. This is in nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 3: Ed.

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Speaker 2: No, Now we have very credible reports that he really

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Speaker 2: wants to do this.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain to you how fuck this is OURFK

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Speaker 1: Junior is doing a lot of very unpopular stuff, and

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Speaker 1: this is probably the most unpopular. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: he basically is obsessed with SSRIs and wants to make

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Speaker 1: it so that people have to come off of them,

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Speaker 1: which is like an insane thing that literally nobody wants.

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Speaker 1: And it's just like one of the most fucked up things.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy is blaming the country's mental health crisis, not on

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Speaker 1: our guns, not on our lack of therapy, not on

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Speaker 1: many many things that are a problem in this country,

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Speaker 1: but on the one thing that maybe helping people, and

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Speaker 1: that is SSRIs. I mean, I have to tell you,

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Speaker 1: this guy is such a fruitcake and it makes me

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Speaker 1: so angry, and it's just insane. And there's someone who

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Speaker 1: has had great success taking effects or and who is

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Speaker 1: the child of two people who took SSRIs and had

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Speaker 1: it saved their lives. This is just really absolutely insane

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Speaker 1: and it's terrible, and I mean, I'm very curious to

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Speaker 1: know at the polling on this is because I bet

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Speaker 1: the American people fucking hate this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the other really crazy thing is is

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Speaker 2: the details of what it's like to get off these

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Speaker 2: pills are not not pretty details, right.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I mean the whole thing is completely But

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Speaker 1: it's also like, why should we go off for SSRIs

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Speaker 1: because RFK Junior, a guy who we saw to a

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Speaker 1: zin and who tans I mean, and this doesn't exist

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum, right. We also know that this HHS

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Speaker 1: has made it so they're trying to bring flavored vapes

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Speaker 1: by children. And they are also trying to make it

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Speaker 1: so that underage people can use tanning beds, tanning beds,

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Speaker 1: which is something that causes cancer. You know, they're trying

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Speaker 1: to bring Roundup back. I mean, these guys do not

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Speaker 1: give a fuck about your house. What they care about

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Speaker 1: out is whatever they're weird agenda is, and so you

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Speaker 1: know it's anti vacs, anti anti antidepressants, pro smoking, pro tanning,

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Speaker 1: pro I mean these guys pro chemicals and roundup, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are fucked and their idea of

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Speaker 1: health is insane and no one should listen to them.

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Speaker 1: And you know, this guy should be fired tomorrow, agreed.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of people who should never have been hired and

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Speaker 2: should be fired tomorrow, we have Janeine Piro Janin Piro

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Speaker 2: really demonstrating what you're starting to hear. John Ossuf and

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Speaker 2: Graham Platner explain really well. I think on the campaign

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Speaker 2: trail that the rules for Trump and his friends are

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Speaker 2: a world apart. They don't even resemble the rules for you,

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Speaker 2: and you're the people, you know, because she thinks that

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Speaker 3: They should just really be late.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Judge Box of Wine, you may remember her

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Speaker 1: from being on teav on Fox News, says that a

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Speaker 1: lobbyist who embezzled one million dollars should get no more

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Speaker 1: than twenty four months in prison. Why because this guy,

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Speaker 1: Jonas Murphy says a romantic relationship prompted his crime. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Jeanine Pierro, the US attorney for the District of Columbia,

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Speaker 1: recommended that a lobbyist who admitted to abasling more than

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Speaker 1: than twenty four months in prison, according to a sentencing

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Speaker 1: memorandum a wild Thursday. So he is the former director

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Speaker 1: of the National Venture Capital Association, and FYI he used

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Speaker 1: their capital for his venture. Oh, I have longed to

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Speaker 1: make such a joke. Yeah, I mean, look, this is

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Speaker 1: they don't think of white collar crime as crime because

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Speaker 2: Is because it's their business model.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and right exactly, there you go. That's a

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Speaker 1: good line.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of their business model, this is the reality

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Speaker 2: TV in Fox News administration. So Sean Duffy, who has

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Speaker 2: a job that he's been not doing very well and

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Speaker 2: just believes Pete boota judge all day for every problem

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Speaker 2: he encounters. He decided he has enough time to have

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Speaker 2: a reality TV show, since that's the world he comes from.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, these are actors. These people are

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Speaker 1: not politicians, they're not legislators, they're not cabinet members. They're actors,

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Speaker 1: and they're not very good actors. So Sean Duffy was

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Speaker 1: over the last seven months not working in the Department

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Speaker 1: of Transportation, which he was ostensibly, at least supposed to

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Speaker 1: be the secretary of. No, he was doing The Great

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Speaker 1: American Road Trip, which will air for free on YouTube

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Speaker 1: ahead of America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. He says

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Speaker 1: it costs zero taxpayer dollars were spent on my family

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Speaker 1: and he did not receive a salary, though he did

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Speaker 1: receive a salary. Can you guess what he did receive

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Speaker 1: a salary for, Oh, I know, being the head of

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Speaker 1: the Department of Transportation. Also, let me just add I

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Speaker 1: know that since these guys all they do is cryptocracy,

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Speaker 1: we don't really think about that much anymore. But like

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Speaker 1: the sponsors. Okay, so these are companies which sponsored a

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Speaker 1: These are companies now that have like a special relationship

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Speaker 1: with the head of transportation in the government. Do you

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Speaker 1: understand how fucked this is? So Boeing and Shell and

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Speaker 1: does that mean that Airbus doesn't have the same relationship

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Speaker 1: with our government because they did not sponsor this great

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Speaker 1: American road trip? Do you see what I'm saying? Like,

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Speaker 1: this is why you can't fucking do this? You need right?

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Speaker 1: It is because you can't. We cannot have a government

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Speaker 1: that does deals with some people and get uses those

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Speaker 1: deals to you know, do their little side hustles. And

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Speaker 1: it's funny because it goes back to what Obama said, right,

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Speaker 1: Obama said, we need to have a president who doesn't

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Speaker 1: do side hustles, like who doesn't do real estate, who

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Speaker 1: doesn't have crypto, who doesn't do you know, who isn't

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Speaker 1: making money five different ways? And there's a reason for

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Speaker 1: that because this is our money, This is taxpayer money

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Speaker 1: the people who serve in government is just cleptocracy all

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Speaker 1: the fucking way down. Also, the hilarious, the truly hilarious

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Speaker 1: part of this is that gas is like ten million

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: So it really does remind you that gas is ten

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Speaker 1: gazillion dollars agall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can't wait to see another TSA shortage

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Speaker 2: or another air traffic controller shortage, and it's like, no,

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Speaker 2: I have to be taping my road trip.

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Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: So this is another one of those articles that we

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Speaker 2: could have predicted really easily that this was happening, but

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Speaker 2: we now have proof. FEMA club blocking grants the states

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said he was going to do it, right,

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to block grants for blue states.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is how it works with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Right, he is the president for the people

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Speaker 1: who voted for him, and that is it. So FEMA

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Speaker 1: has been deliberately delaying grants to blue states. The Washington

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Speaker 1: Post reported that FEMA significantly decreased the amount of hazard

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Speaker 1: this is the agency appears. I mean, this is just

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Speaker 1: exactly right. California received only eight hundred and thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars from FEMA. Since July twenty twenty five, Colorado has

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Speaker 1: not received anything. Experts say this is deliberate and targeted.

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Speaker 1: A deliberate and targeted decision. I mean, there you go,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Very unsurprising. This is how it is.

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Speaker 1: This is Trump World in a nutshell. Hey, it's Molly

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Speaker 1: john Fast here. My memoir How to Lose Your Mother

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Speaker 3: Hey Molly, how are you now?

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Speaker 1: I am. I do not have a gold statue of

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Speaker 1: May not yet. Uh explain this?

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Speaker 1: Because people don't love me the way they should? Can

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Speaker 3: Down at Durral? Yes, there has now been created a

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Speaker 3: It is a twenty two foot tall which, if you're

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Speaker 3: using biblical terms, that's fourteen point four to seven cubits.

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Speaker 3: I had to golden statue of Donald Trump. It was

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Speaker 3: inaugurated by having a group of maga religious figures come

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Speaker 3: a long time since Divinity class. But I do recall

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Speaker 3: thou shalt have no other God but me was very

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Speaker 3: early one of the prohibitions that the Lord in Exodus

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Speaker 3: outright idolatry. This is an example of how MAGA has

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Speaker 3: because immediately after it, a lot of the MAGA pastors

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Speaker 3: all talking about how Trump is better at the Bible

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Speaker 3: The minute someone says that I'm not engaged in idolatry

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Speaker 1: It is also like, you know, Trump, this week, we

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Speaker 1: with the pope, and it is like Trump constantly runs

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Speaker 1: a foul with the pope, which shouldn't be something that

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Speaker 3: One should not attempt to run a foul of the

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Speaker 1: What I think is interesting though about Trump running a

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Speaker 1: putting himself in an outfit to look like Jesus is

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Speaker 1: as like the maga no like maga no likey. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look that has caused another one of these other And look,

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Speaker 3: there's a thing in politics that if you've got the gift, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it transcends party stuff. Because you walked into a sat

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Speaker 3: with the room with Barack Obama and you came away

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Speaker 3: and you felt inspired. You sat room with George Bush,

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Speaker 3: you felt like he was your best friend. You sat

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Speaker 3: in the room with Bill Clinton, you felt like he

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Speaker 3: understood your heart and Regan, you felt like you could

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Speaker 3: do anything when you walked out that door. And this

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Speaker 3: guy has that gift.

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Speaker 1: And we after the interview, I said, Jesse, this guy

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Speaker 1: is going to be president.

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Speaker 3: I'm moving to Iowa.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is so good. But he also

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Speaker 1: more importantly than that, he's six three.

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Speaker 3: Listen, it matters.

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Speaker 1: After we interviewed him, I said, so you're going to

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Speaker 1: run for president next and he said, I am just

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Speaker 1: running for governor of Iowa, which is the only okay answer.

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Speaker 3: It's a perfectly good answer, right, And.

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Speaker 1: Then I said, how tall are you? And I said,

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Speaker 1: because he also looked very young, so I was like,

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Speaker 1: old are you?

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Speaker 3: And we are reaching a point right now where democratic

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Speaker 3: young democratic leaders are coming up. They're going to replace

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Speaker 3: the septuagenarian class who have in many ways been so

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Speaker 3: traumatized the Republicans for so long that they don't fight

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Speaker 3: the right way, and they don't speak American, as David

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Speaker 3: Cousinin always said, and speaking American is what you see

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Speaker 3: Rob stand doing. And I look, I think Iowa. I

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Speaker 3: think there's motion in Nebraska which makes me feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm picking crazy pills. Nebraska, Yep, da Osborne, I think

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Speaker 3: Dan you know is Ricketts is like a like a

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Speaker 3: sock puppet Republican And there's like, aside from the check book,

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Speaker 3: there's no there there, Big chook. Vivek is flailing. Amy

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Speaker 3: Acton is doing very well in Ohio. They're moving up

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Speaker 3: did she and David Pepper are moving up fast. There

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Speaker 3: is something going on with Democrats who have learned to

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Speaker 3: talk about the economy again and center the lives of

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Speaker 3: ordinary people, Republicans and Democrats and nonpartisan voters on the

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Speaker 3: economic crisis they all feel, and the economic pain they're

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Speaker 3: all terrified of right, well, shit, let's keep doing more

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Speaker 3: because it seems to be working.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I saw so AOC

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Speaker 1: spoke at the Politics Institute in Chicago, interviewed by not

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Speaker 1: some crazy lefty right, and he talked about David and

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Speaker 1: we're talking about David. And by the way, David also

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Speaker 1: was with the pope recently, so let's all be he's

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Speaker 1: not running until he is the pope. But he was

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Speaker 1: talking to AOC, and AOC did the thing. I actually

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Speaker 1: thought this was interesting. I wondered if she had stolen

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Speaker 1: from Mondami so Zorin. So she said, he was asking

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Speaker 1: her a question. Oh, he was asking you a question

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Speaker 1: about running for president.

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Speaker 3: And she said, I want to change the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want something more than running for president. I

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Speaker 1: want to change the country. And that made me think, like,

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Speaker 1: because that's the kind of answer we see from Zorin, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about you know, I can't think

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Speaker 1: about that right now because I'm laser focused on affordability.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about fast free buses, right. I wondered about that, Listen.

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Speaker 3: I am a big believer in being on message. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that doing well means, you know, doing good while

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Speaker 3: you're in your first job means you can do well

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Speaker 3: in the next one and when you're running for the

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Speaker 3: next one. And so look, when you see AOC who's

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Speaker 3: a gifted politician, who's a gifted speaker, gifted communicator, say

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Speaker 3: that that's very sweeping, But it still feels kind of

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Speaker 3: like me, not you. Right, I don't think that's irreparable

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Speaker 3: in any way whatsoever. But I think that you've seen

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Speaker 3: a lot of these other candidates in the last year, Virginia,

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Speaker 3: New Jersey everywhere else who are talking about you, not me,

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Speaker 3: like I think it's important, she did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the problem for her is the

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Speaker 1: problem for all female politicians, though, which is she gets

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Speaker 1: her celebrity ends up eclipsing her in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: So in that answer, she did talk about single payer

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Speaker 1: that she said what she her legacy would be single payer,

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Speaker 1: which in a moment when when millions of people are

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Speaker 1: getting kicked off Obamacare because Republicans refused to renew the.

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Speaker 3: Tax Obamacare being what I call just the tip socialist

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Speaker 3: health care, right, it's not exactly like a uh not

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Speaker 3: exactly like a Nordic socialist health care plan, certainly not,

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Speaker 3: but i It fascinates me in some ways that that

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Speaker 3: Republicans don't get that could be a real knife in

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Speaker 3: their own guts because their people rely on it more

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Speaker 3: at per capita in a lot of these big red

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Speaker 3: states than Democratic voters do, which is madness when you

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Speaker 3: think about it. They are cutting their self, cutting off

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Speaker 3: their nose despite their own face, and it's not covered

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Speaker 3: even even with a coope.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, even the coope.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you next absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Rob sand is the Iowa state auditor and a candidate

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Speaker 1: for a governor in Iowa. Welcome, Welcome, Rob sand Sand,

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Speaker 1: Rob Sand, Rob Sand It's right behind you. Sorry going.

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Speaker 4: You can call me anything, model ages. Don't call me

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Speaker 4: late for dinner, all right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: How many cycles have you been the only Democrat elected

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Speaker 1: state wide?

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Speaker 5: That's a good question, just one actually, which goes to

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Speaker 5: an important point. Iowans, I should say, split their ticket

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Speaker 5: a lot more than people would expect. When I won

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Speaker 5: in twenty eighteen, I had company with the attorney general

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Speaker 5: and a treasurer, who are both Democrats in Iowa. So

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Speaker 5: that's three of our six state wide offices, and those

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Speaker 5: guys lost just by a point in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: which means that most of the state actually voted fifty

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Speaker 5: to fifty three Democrats three Republicans for state wide office.

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Speaker 1: So that's so interesting. So right now I would love

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Speaker 1: you to like explain to our listeners what is happening

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Speaker 1: in Iowa.

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Speaker 5: Here's a fact that I think will make anybody want

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Speaker 5: to keep listening. We have more registered Republican donors to

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Speaker 5: our campaign in all of twenty twenty five than any

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Speaker 5: of the Republicans writing for governor. And I think that's

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Speaker 5: for a lot of different reasons. Number One, they know me,

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Speaker 5: They've voted for me twice. They see me as a

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Speaker 5: reasonable person who's trying to do public service, not politics.

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Speaker 5: Number Two, they've seen what ten years of one party

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Speaker 5: control has done to our state. I always understand the

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Speaker 5: importance of rotating the crops. Sometimes when you've been doing

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Speaker 5: one thing for too long, you need to change it up.

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Speaker 5: And you know, basically, we're at a point where for

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Speaker 5: the last three years we've averaged forty eight for income growth,

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Speaker 5: we're number one for cancer growth. And the folks in

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Speaker 5: the Capitol building in Des Moines literally passed a lot

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Speaker 5: to make it harder for me. As the state auditor

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Speaker 5: to find misspent tax money. This is people who are

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Speaker 5: not doing a good job and also actively doing bad.

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Speaker 5: But I think the other piece of this that I

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Speaker 5: is really about our message is it's the idea that

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Speaker 5: you know, like it says behind me here, I want

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Speaker 5: to be a governor. For all our campaign slogan is

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Speaker 5: not bluer or redder, but truer and better. And I

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Speaker 5: talk a lot about how our two choice political system

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Speaker 5: is failing us and how I think we need to

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Speaker 5: have more options on the ballot and how we need

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Speaker 5: to come together to do that, and that's really resonating

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Speaker 5: with a lot of people across the political spectrum.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you are the state auditor right now, you

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Speaker 1: got it. I need you to explain to us because

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Speaker 1: state auditor could be ag chair in Florida. Right, So

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Speaker 1: explain does what the state orditor does in Iowa and

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Speaker 1: what number that is in elected offices?

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Speaker 4: Two words taxpayers watch dog.

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Speaker 5: So we oughtit state government every year, at least nowadays

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Speaker 5: as much as they allow it since they passed that

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Speaker 5: new law. We aughdit cities, counties and school districts. We

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Speaker 5: do public corruption investigations, which was what led me there.

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Speaker 5: I was the state's chief public corruption prosecutor for seven

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Speaker 5: years before I ran.

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Speaker 4: And we also do efficiency promotion.

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Speaker 5: We started a program called in my First Term, which

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Speaker 5: is all about helping save tax pair dollars.

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Speaker 1: Now, Jim Reynolds, who was the governor before you, I

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Speaker 1: think one of the really interesting things about Iowa. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, you are not the only Iowa politician

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Speaker 1: we have had on this podcast, because we have had

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Speaker 1: twice a Senate candidate because there's this very messy Democratic

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Speaker 1: Senate primary, which we're not going to even talk about

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Speaker 1: because it's not where we're going with this. But Kimral's

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Speaker 1: is not running for reelection. She did two terms. She's

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Speaker 1: not turned out.

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Speaker 5: She's not turned out, and she has the unique distinction

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Speaker 5: of nine quarters in a row as the least popular

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Speaker 5: governor in America. So she's not turned out well. But

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Speaker 5: I think she saw a tough race ahead, and she

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Speaker 5: saw that I was likely to run and decided that

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Speaker 5: maybe she didn't want to work that hard. Maybe she

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Speaker 5: knew she was going to do it all along, But

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Speaker 5: the scuttle but was that she was going to run

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Speaker 5: again until very suddenly she wasn't who knows. You know,

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Speaker 5: you'd have to ask her at the end of the day.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't share her thoughts with me on these things.

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Speaker 1: But we all we also have John E. Arnest who

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Speaker 1: decided not to run too.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, yeah, two open seats. That hasn't happened since nineteen

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Speaker 5: seventy eight. So we have space for a lot of

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Speaker 5: realignment in Iowa right now.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think is the most

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Speaker 1: interesting thing about Iowa is that there are four congressional seats,

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Speaker 1: and during the twenty eighteen midterm, which was one of

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Speaker 1: those midterms where people realize what a disaster Trump was,

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Speaker 1: Republicans lost three seats. So I'd love you talk about

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Speaker 1: that congressional race just for a minute, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think the thing to keep in mind is, so

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Speaker 5: we got four seats in twenty eighteen, we won three

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Speaker 5: of them. We can do that again here. I think

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Speaker 5: that people are ready for change, and they understand that

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Speaker 5: we are just in a place where Iowans are frustrated

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Speaker 5: and it's been ten years of one party control in Iowa.

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Speaker 5: I think people understand power crops and absolute power crops absolutely,

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Speaker 5: And then you look around and I think we've got

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Speaker 5: a great collection of candidates running for Congress. In all

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Speaker 5: of these discs, people that can connect with Iowans, they

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Speaker 5: understand the state pretty well. And and again there are

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Speaker 5: people who I think at their heart they want to

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Speaker 5: they want to try to do good work and make

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Speaker 5: things work better, not just you know, wave a blue

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Speaker 5: flag or a red flag.

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Speaker 1: So I think of the planks of your candidacy. One

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Speaker 1: of the big ones is cancer. I have a husband

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Speaker 1: who has met a stat of cancer. He has neuroendocrine cancer.

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Speaker 1: So it's very slow moving, but it's obviously a big thing.

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Speaker 1: And we're seeing a lot of cancer from the groundwater,

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Speaker 1: from the you know, they're just coming from everywhere. And

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Speaker 1: in a state like Iowa, where you're doing so much farming,

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Speaker 1: i'd love you to talk about why cancer became such

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Speaker 1: a plank and how you how you talk about it

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Speaker 1: when you're running for office.

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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty straightforward. We're number one for cancer growth.

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Speaker 5: It's really captured the imagination of a lot of Iolands.

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Speaker 5: And I think that we're in a real struggle right

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Speaker 5: now to make sure that we're acting to do something

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Speaker 5: about it. Our legislature last year and the governor allocated

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Speaker 5: a million dollars to cancer research.

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Speaker 4: That's really, honestly.

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Speaker 5: An amount of money that a politician will spend to

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Speaker 5: buy a talking point when they say that they want

654
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Speaker 5: to do something. Nebraska. I've been talking about Nebraska. They've

655
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 5: put over twenty million into cancer research.

656
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Speaker 4: And I'm in Iowan.

657
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Speaker 5: I think we want to beat Nebraska, and so I

658
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 5: think that's the table stakes. We should be wanting to

659
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: put in at least that much to make sure that

660
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 5: we're healthy in the state of Iowa. Some of this

661
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 5: is smoking, we do smoke at a higher rate. Some

662
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 5: of this is alcohol consumption. We do drink at higher rate.

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Speaker 5: We also have a tremendous amount of radon, which is

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Speaker 5: the second leading cause of lung cancer in America.

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Speaker 4: And then we've also got a water quality problem. It

666
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Speaker 4: is contributing it to some degree.

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Speaker 5: That's a little bit harder to figure out exactly how much,

668
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Speaker 5: but certainly that's a piece of it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So talk to me about this other plank, which

670
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: is the sort of corruption and people wasting their taxpayer dollars.

671
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Speaker 5: Oh sure, sure, sure, I mean, look, Molly, in my

672
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 5: first term, we uncovered a record amount of misspent money.

673
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Speaker 5: We got reelected and the answer to that in the

674
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Speaker 5: legislature was to change the law to make it harder

675
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Speaker 5: for us to find misspent money. This was kind of

676
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 5: a scandal in the auditing world nationally. Every single auditor

677
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 5: that weighed in on this that does government audits said

678
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 5: this is a terrible low it's going to increase waste

679
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 5: and abuse of tax dollars in Iowa. In fact, David Walker,

680
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: who was George W. Bush's Comptroller General for most of

681
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 5: his presidency, wrote the Iowa legislature two letters pointing out

682
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 5: that this was a terrible idea, and they signed it

683
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 5: into law anyways, and they've used it since then to

684
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 5: block audit an audit of the Board of Parole, and

685
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: multiple times to slow down and block an audit of

686
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Speaker 5: the school vouchers program that has next to no accountability

687
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 5: in the state of Iowa. And then in addition to that,

688
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: just recently they didn't want us to look at what

689
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 5: was going on at the Board of Educational Examiners related

690
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 5: to Ian Roberts, who he may recall he was the

691
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 5: superintendent of the Moines Public Schools and his immigration status

692
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 5: in Iowa. So it's basically just become a way for

693
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 5: them to hiden from us in order to hide from

694
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Speaker 5: the public what's actually going on in our state and

695
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 5: what's going on with people's tax dollars.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that's tolerated.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that it is.

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Speaker 5: I think that's part of the reason that we've got

699
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Speaker 5: an eight point lead in this race according to multiple polsters.

700
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Speaker 5: And I think it's part of the reason that we

701
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: have these all these Republicans who have donated to our

702
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 5: campaign for governor.

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Speaker 4: It really is frustrating for people.

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Speaker 5: But I also think it's a little bit harder for

705
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 5: local news to break through these days. I mean, I

706
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: struggle to find the coverage of what's going on in

707
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 5: I and well compared to what's going on nationally, And

708
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 5: so when people are able to do that, it's good,

709
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 5: but it just takes a little bit longer for that

710
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 5: stuff to break through these days.

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Speaker 1: Have you thought about incentivizing local news tax incentives? I mean,

712
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: you're going to be governor theoretically, at least, because that's

713
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: a problem with corruption, right You're running against corruption, You're

714
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: running against misspending tax dollars. But if there is no

715
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Speaker 1: one who is like it's not shouldn't necessarily be the

716
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Speaker 1: job of legislators to find the corruption. Shouldn't it be

717
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: the job of journalists to root that out and expose it?

718
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Speaker 5: It should, and I think that local news coverage is

719
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 5: incredibly important. You know, you make another point, a good

720
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Speaker 5: point there about legislators. I mean, the Iowa legislature has

721
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 5: refused to do oversight in Iowa of state government. They

722
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 5: have basically called in just mailed in their job. They've

723
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: done about the amount of time per year of oversight

724
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Speaker 5: of state government as the amount of time that you

725
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Speaker 5: and I are going to spend talking today, Molly.

726
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Speaker 4: They'll haul in a.

727
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: School board if they don't like some book that's in

728
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 5: the library or some teacher that's in the classroom, But

729
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 5: they refuse to do oversight of state government because it's

730
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 5: been run for ten years by the same folks and

731
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Speaker 5: they've decided that they're not worried about accountability in our

732
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: broken two choice political system, and so they're just going

733
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Speaker 5: to do whatever they want for them and their friends.

734
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Speaker 1: You sort of run away from the democratic label to

735
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: some extent, which is I don't necessarily think is a

736
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: bad thing. But like what we've seen, and we covered

737
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Speaker 1: this a lot, was that in some states, you actually

738
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Speaker 1: have a disadvantage when you have a D next to

739
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Speaker 1: your name.

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Speaker 4: You know.

741
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Speaker 5: I think a lot of this, to me comes down

742
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: to just a central confusion that I've had ever since

743
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 5: I was a teenager. Why do we have to be

744
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 5: Democrats and Republicans? Why can't I be the state auditor

745
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 5: who is now running to be the governor. I don't

746
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 5: think that we should have two private clubs that run

747
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 5: our democracy. I don't think that a lot of these

748
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 5: people that are in these private clubs are actually focused

749
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Speaker 5: on solving problems for people. I think they're focused on

750
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 5: a massing power for themselves. This isn't the criticism of

751
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 5: either party individually. It's a criticism of the system. And

752
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 5: I think that it is a real problem. And I

753
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 5: think that most people know it. They feel it, They

754
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 5: see it every day, and they experience it emotionally when

755
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 5: they walk into the ballot booth and they go, well,

756
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Speaker 5: I'm not excited about that one, but geez, that one's scary.

757
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 5: I mean, they've figured it out right. It's like, solving

758
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 5: problems is hard. Iowa has a water quality crisis, we

759
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 5: have a mental health care crisis. Solving those things is

760
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 5: really complicated. But you can just get re elected if

761
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 5: you demonize your opponent, and if enough people are not

762
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Speaker 5: willing to consider the only other option on the ballot,

763
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Speaker 5: then you're good to go.

764
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Speaker 1: Right. That is true, and it is a real problem.

765
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Speaker 1: So when I read that piece in the Times just now,

766
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: you were talking about like some of the stuff you're

767
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: running on doesn't sound very fun, but people like it, right, No,

768
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: because the truth is, you know, Trump ran for office

769
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: on like you know, I'm going to hurt the people

770
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: you don't like and make things cheaper which were not possible,

771
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: but we're appealing. When you were in that bar, I

772
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: don't drink. I'm sober since I was nineteen, so but

773
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: you were like, you know, alcohol does, so I just

774
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: am curious, like what's his secret there? Like how do

775
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: you do that?

776
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: Lollie.

777
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 5: I think we're having a lot of fun in this campaign.

778
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 5: I had a friend of mine actually who texted me

779
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 5: afterwards after one of our town halls and was like,

780
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 5: that was actually funnier than some of the stand up

781
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 5: that we went to last weekend.

782
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: Like, I like making jokes.

783
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Speaker 5: Not all of them land the right way, but for

784
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 5: those that do, like, I want people to feel good,

785
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: and I want them to know that politics can be

786
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 5: a place where we come together and get excited about

787
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 5: working together to make things better.

788
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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of the stuff that we're.

789
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 5: Running on, we have a lot of real problems, but

790
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 5: I think approaching the problems that we face in our

791
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 5: life with a sense of humor makes dealing with them

792
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: a little bit easier. And I think that's part of

793
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: what brings people out. And again, part of the reason

794
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: that we're seeing strong support in the polls, part of

795
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: the reason we've seen the Cook Report move this race

796
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 5: to a toss up, whereas the day before I got in,

797
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: they had it ranked as solid Republican.

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00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 4: And again, part of the.

799
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Speaker 5: Reason that we had sixty five thousand people donate, we

800
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: raised two and a half times the previous fundraising record

801
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 5: for the off year last year, it's because I'm out

802
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 5: there being myself.

803
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: I'm running as myself.

804
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 5: I'm making jokes, I'm sharing pictures of my dog, I'm

805
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 5: talking about the burrito that I had for lunch and how,

806
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: oh my goodness, it's the size of Iowa's budget deficit.

807
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: We don't have to just be automatons that talk political talk.

808
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 5: All the time, we can be human beings. I think

809
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 5: a lot of people see in this campaign and it

810
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: resonates for them and it makes them think that maybe

811
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: we can have a little bit of fun while we

812
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: go ahead and address serious problems.

813
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: I wonder, well, you could talk about the state House,

814
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Speaker 1: like how is the state House structured? So if you're

815
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: a Democrat and you see, like if you get in

816
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: there and you have this sweeping anti corruption message and

817
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: you want to sort of undo some of the crazy,

818
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Here's a good example. In Arizona, they

819
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: had a state law that incentivized data centers. It gave

820
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: a tax incentive to data centers, which is a wildly

821
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: insane thing to do. Like, how is the state legislature structured?

822
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: As governor, will they take away power from you? Because

823
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: I saw reporting that they're sort of trying to.

824
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Speaker 5: The Republicans have got a one seat supermajority in the

825
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 5: state House and they have a not a super majority

826
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 5: in the state Senate. So this is if this is

827
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 5: a year where we're winning the governor's race, we expect

828
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 5: that anything that I need to veto, that veto is

829
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 5: going to stand. And the pledge that I've made is

830
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: pretty straightforward. I'm going to be working with a Republican legislature.

831
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Speaker 5: There's no two ways about that. I'm going to veto

832
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 5: every culture war bill. We need to be focused on

833
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 5: improving water quality, improving our education system, fixing our failing economy,

834
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Speaker 5: you know, address seeing the issues that impact every Iowan.

835
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: And so what I want the legislature to do is

836
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Speaker 5: sit down with me and with other stakeholders across the

837
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Speaker 5: state and actually put together good bills that can get

838
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 5: bipartisan support to do those things.

839
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love you to talk for a minute or

840
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: two just about like when you talk to iolands, what's

841
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: happening with them? What are the things that are making

842
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: them upside.

843
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 4: I think that iolands are right now.

844
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Speaker 5: They're just they're so frustrated, and I think for a

845
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 5: lot of people, they look around and they recognize that

846
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 5: things are not great here right now. Like I said,

847
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 5: forty eighth for personal income growth over the last three years,

848
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 5: that's rough. And so the affordability crisis is hitting Iowa,

849
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 5: but it's hitting us harder because affordability is a two

850
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 5: piece equation. It's how much money is in your pocket

851
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 5: and then what's the thing cost, and so when you

852
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 5: have as much money in your pocket, it's harder. And

853
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 5: I say to folks, if it seems like your friends

854
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 5: in other states are doing better, it's because they are right.

855
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 4: So that hurts here.

856
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 5: But then again you go to you know, so they

857
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 5: pass a lot to make it harder for us to

858
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 5: find misspent tax dollars.

859
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: MOLLI.

860
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Speaker 5: There was a bill in the legislature this year that

861
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 5: would make it so that airports in Iowa have to

862
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 5: serve alcohol for at least an hour before every flight

863
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 5: takes off. There was a bill in the legislature this year,

864
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 5: Molly that would make it so that a dirty body

865
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 5: of water can't be added to the impaired waters list

866
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: for e. Coal I unless you say which species of

867
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 5: animal contributed that the equal eye to the water. I mean,

868
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 5: there's all this stuff that's just not only pointless, but

869
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 5: taking the state backwards, and Iowas are really angry about it.

870
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Speaker 5: But again I go to this, it's not enough. I

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Speaker 5: don't think it's enough. I'm sick of the politics. That is, well,

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Speaker 5: the other guy stinks, vote for me.

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Speaker 4: That's not enough.

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Speaker 5: I really want us to take the next step in

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Speaker 5: Iowa's proud political tradition of putting guardrails up around politicians

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Speaker 5: and making sure that their power is channeled to serve

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Speaker 5: the people.

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Speaker 4: We were the first.

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Speaker 5: State to create a nonpartisan redistricting commission. We're the first

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Speaker 5: state to create a merit based judicial selection system. I

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Speaker 5: want us to move away from having special legal privileges

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Speaker 5: for the Democratic and Republican parties. I want us to

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Speaker 5: have more options on the ballot so Iowans can more

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Speaker 5: easily hold elected officials accountable. And if we do those things,

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Speaker 5: I think it's going to help push elected officials to

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Speaker 5: actually be focused on real problems. I always think of

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Speaker 5: the Lord's Prayer. My faith is an incredibly important motivator

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Speaker 5: to me. In the Lord's Prayer, we say, lead us

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Speaker 5: not into temptation. But we have this system that tells

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Speaker 5: elected officials and candidates, hey, you know, solving problems is hard,

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Speaker 5: but you can probably get re elected if you can

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Speaker 5: just convince everybody that their only other option is worse.

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Speaker 5: That's not good enough. And it's a big piece of

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Speaker 5: what's led us to where we are today.

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Speaker 4: Change that. I think we're going to get better results

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Speaker 4: out of our political system and see things get refocused

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Speaker 4: on public service rather than partisanship.

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Speaker 1: From sand thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 4: Hey, happy to be here, Thanks for having me, Ellie.

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Speaker 1: No moment, what is your moment?

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Speaker 3: My momentifuckery is that Donald Trump is such a pathetic

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Speaker 3: child he had to use the the reflecting pool as

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Speaker 3: a go kart track for his official motorcade the other

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Speaker 3: day while they're painting it with some paint that isn't

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Speaker 3: working a bid contract.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing, right, the.

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Speaker 3: Whole thing is so trump Ism in every way. Something

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Speaker 3: that was beloved by America has to be polluted and

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Speaker 3: left up by this guy on a no bid contract

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Speaker 3: to a friend of his who.

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Speaker 1: Did Trump.

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Speaker 3: The job. I mean, it's like wraps everything up in a.

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Speaker 1: Bow and has done other pools from our a lago

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Speaker 1: different Trump branded properties. And also it's painted like the

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Speaker 1: it's painted like a blue that you have never seen

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Speaker 1: in nature.

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Speaker 3: Correct, it is a blue maybe found on like tropical

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Speaker 3: fish somewhere on a reef that none of us are

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Speaker 3: been into. But otherwise it is just one more thing

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Speaker 3: where he's trying to put his stamp on something that

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Speaker 3: was dignified and proper, and people viewed it as a

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Speaker 3: symbol of the country for one hundred years, and now

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Speaker 3: he wants to cheapen it up. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna be surprised if he doesn't put like spotlights and

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Speaker 3: gold leaf all over the Lincoln Memorial before this is over.

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Speaker 1: The Las vegasization.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we have a Trump star somewhere on the mall.

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Speaker 3: I should not give him ideas.

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Speaker 1: No, do not. Thank you, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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