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Speaker 1: four NFL Scouted combine. We say welcome BIRG Gang. On

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Speaker 1: today's show, Danny surre joins me. Plus we've got Charles

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Speaker 1: coverage this week. Plus he calls games for CBS and

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Speaker 2: Some great comments insight.

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Speaker 1: From him on where he believes the Cardinals are headed. Also,

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Speaker 1: we talk rookies and why Jonathan Gannon doesn't hesitate to

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Speaker 1: play them. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode seven thirty two,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 4: POA Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's a A ten half pays it again some more Hurry Magic.

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Speaker 3: Wow, here's Craig Griller.

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Speaker 1: Happy March first.

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Speaker 5: Danny, January was so slow and February was so fast.

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Speaker 4: Craig, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, I totally failed to realize. Thursday, February twenty ninth,

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Speaker 1: So happy belated National Leap Day.

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Speaker 1: And with that bonus day, oh boy, did we work.

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Speaker 5: Craig some more than others worked me to the bone.

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Speaker 1: As we continue our coverage year in Indianapolis, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four NFL Scouting Combine, Day two of the on field workouts.

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Speaker 1: Workouts will run through Sunday. But that work that Danny

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Speaker 5: really great. It was The interview with Gannon was more

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Speaker 5: Over that one was talking about the philosophy and this

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Speaker 5: So pretty insightful and I think if you watch both

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Speaker 1: this season of a Cardinals game, in fact, it was

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Speaker 6: This is not one because I'm real big on I

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Speaker 6: I said this that week, I say it now, I

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Speaker 2: Let me read it to you. Everbade the Bugles that.

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Speaker 2: Not this team.

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Speaker 6: They played really, really hard and you see some pieces

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Speaker 1: One of the big pieces, especially late in the season,

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Speaker 6: It is and I'll put it all on the table

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Speaker 5: I really do for this offense, Kyler Murray his game

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Speaker 2: You play receiver?

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Speaker 5: That was gonna be the point I was going to bring,

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Speaker 6: It's a tough one, right, It's a tough one. So

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Speaker 6: have you? Picking where you're picking? Because I made some

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Speaker 1: A lot of people look at that wide receiver class,

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Speaker 6: And I think that there's another level to his game

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Speaker 5: Cardinals defense finished bottom tier statistically, could use help in

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Speaker 5: you're thinking about d lineman or top cornerback, how do

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're exactly right, and Danny, when you get into

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 6: Some people believe it, some people don't. Be annever I

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Speaker 6: So that's going to be the interesting part to see

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Speaker 1: Charles, I know you're in demand this week we appreciate

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I.

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Speaker 6: Thought you were saying the law was coming again. It's like,

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Speaker 2: Rained. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having enjoy your coverage on the NFL Network

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Speaker 1: and CBS Sports as well.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate it. I hope we get you. Let's see more

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Speaker 2: Take care.

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Speaker 1: So a familiar theme regardless who we've had a chance

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Speaker 5: The fact that Charles was saying before the game at

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Speaker 5: the production meeting, just from meeting offensive coordinator Drew Petsing

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Speaker 5: and defensive coordinator Nick Raalis, he was impressed with them

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Speaker 5: and because of the authenticity and how genuine they are,

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Speaker 5: and not just as people, but that's how you know.

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Speaker 5: It's a genuine buy in from the players and what

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Speaker 5: this coaching staff and this front office is trying to build.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's an important piece.

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Speaker 5: And that's why we didn't see a drop off in

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Speaker 4: We've seen that before from the Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: We see that around the league, Craig is when the

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Speaker 5: season starts to dwindle down, teams already are out of

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Speaker 5: the playoffs, there's no chance for that. Some of them

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Speaker 5: start to pack it in, right because players, you know,

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Speaker 5: they don't want to get hurt. They know that their

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Speaker 5: off season is quickly approaching. Not the case furthest thing

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Speaker 5: from the case for the Cardinals. We saw that because

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Speaker 5: we are in and around the facility and with.

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Speaker 4: Players and coaches every day.

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Speaker 5: So to hear that and have that recognized from analysts

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Speaker 1: And as Charles mentioned, around the holidays, the Cardinals two wins,

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Speaker 1: two biggest wins arguably outside of the Dallas Cowboys on

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Speaker 1: the road Christmas Eve and Pittsburgh on the road New

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Speaker 1: Year's Eve.

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Speaker 2: Fill it off.

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Speaker 1: So if you were going to quote unquote lose a

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Speaker 1: team because they already had their eyes on the offseason

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Speaker 1: and vacation plans, those would be games in which you

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Speaker 1: would anticipate a loss and maybe even a double digit loss. Instead,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals flew all the way back to Tempe with a victory.

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Speaker 5: That's accountability, Craig. That's accountability from top down. That's accountability

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Speaker 5: in the locker room and having the right kind of

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Speaker 5: leadership and working hard practice and on game days and

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Speaker 5: leading by example.

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Speaker 1: One other note about Charles Davis and what he had

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Speaker 1: to say with respects to the drafts, maybe even a

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Speaker 1: couple of different points, but the decision that the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: face at number four, whether it's a wide receiver or

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, and he brought up the example of

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Speaker 1: what the Bengals did and what the Lions did. Bengals

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Speaker 1: chose the wide receiver and Jamar Chase the Lions chose

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Speaker 1: the tackle. In Pinnay Soul. It worked out for both

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Speaker 1: of those players, both of those teams in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one now Cardinals at number four, a little bit different situation,

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Speaker 1: but still face with that. Okay, do you want to

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Speaker 1: give Kyler Murray the playmaker or give Kyler Murray the protection?

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Speaker 4: It almost makes it sound like you can't go wrong

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Speaker 4: either way.

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Speaker 5: Sure, And as things change over time and the way

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Speaker 5: that the game is changing, and even how players are

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Speaker 5: approaching the NFL scouting combine and not participating in workouts

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Speaker 5: or medicals, the philosophies change over time. The game is

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Speaker 5: still one in the trenches. If you want to take

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Speaker 5: an offensive alignment, great Cardinals could use one. I thought

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Speaker 5: it was really interesting when Charles was talking about wide

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Speaker 5: receivers and that you can argue that there is less

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Speaker 5: of a risk taking a wide receiver of the caliber

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Speaker 5: of the top three names that keep getting mentioned, which

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Speaker 5: is Marvin Harrison, Junior, Molikue Neighbors, and Romadoonza. That the

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Speaker 5: risk is almost less with a caliber of those three

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Speaker 5: than taking a tackle, which typically takes two to three

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Speaker 5: years to really start to hit their stride. And that

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Speaker 5: was an interesting take of Oh, maybe it's not as

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Speaker 5: much of as a risk to take a skill position

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Speaker 5: player with a fourth overall pick as it was years ago.

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Speaker 5: As it may have felt when the Cardinals took Larry

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Speaker 5: Fitzgerald all those years ago. And that's a little bit

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Speaker 5: comforting to hear. And Charles Davis is not the first

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Speaker 5: analyst that we have spoken with this week in Indianapolis

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Speaker 5: to have a similar sentiment in that.

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Speaker 1: Davis also brought up something that I had not considered

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Speaker 1: when we talk about defense and the edge rusher versus

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Speaker 1: the cornerback. And we talk with Drew Stanton, our colleague,

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Speaker 1: and he always breaks the huddle and the first thing

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Speaker 1: that he looks for the outside linebacker at the edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: Where's that pressure coming from? Because of a quarterback can

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Speaker 1: stand in the pocket. I don't care how good of

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Speaker 1: a cornerback you are, you're not gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: cover the wide receiver. Davis brought up something that we

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Speaker 1: are seeing a trend is quarterbacks they aren't standing in

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Speaker 1: the pocket because because they are getting the ball out

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Speaker 1: so quickly that that negates the pass rush. So where

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, maybe teams are thinking, hey,

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Speaker 1: we need a true shut down corner, a bona fide

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Speaker 1: all pro, because that's where this game is headed. The

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Speaker 1: adjusting to what we see on the field. Now into

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Speaker 1: the front office, what do you value most? Is it

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Speaker 1: the edge rush or is it the cornerback. I'd always

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Speaker 1: because I listened to Drew stand and what he says

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Speaker 1: he played the game, I didn't that you want that

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Speaker 1: edge rusher. But hearing Davis, it makes sense because how

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Speaker 1: many times did we hear someone in the locker room

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Speaker 1: or a head coach or a coaching someone on the

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Speaker 1: staff say the ball is getting out quick. It's true,

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Speaker 1: So maybe I need to rethink things a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I think that you can still have that philosophy and

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Speaker 5: still prioritize a cornerback, maybe with a twenty seventh overall

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Speaker 5: pick or early in round two for the Cardinals, with

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Speaker 5: the full of cornerbacks.

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Speaker 4: That seem to be mocked in those areas.

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Speaker 5: And I think you can still feel that way of

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Speaker 5: this one doesn't feel like a draft class where you've

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Speaker 5: got a lot of big name pass rushers. Those seem

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Speaker 5: to be coming more day two, day three as those

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Speaker 5: role players. From what we've gathered from analysts that we've

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Speaker 5: talked to, I think you can still have that same

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Speaker 5: opinion Craig of maybe valuing the edge rusher a little

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Speaker 5: bit more however, seeing the value in the cornerbacks and

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Speaker 5: this year's draft class and recognizing how big of a

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Speaker 5: need that is for the Cardinals and that maybe in

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Speaker 5: years past maybe a little more hesitancy if the Cardinals

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Speaker 5: do decide to take a cornerback in the first round

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Speaker 5: of oh maybe in the past that might not be

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Speaker 5: the right decision, and that could be the right decision

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Speaker 5: this year.

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Speaker 1: Very curious to see what Mani does and kind of

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Speaker 1: get more of an idea of his philosophy, because based

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Speaker 1: off just one year, it's line of scrimmage, it's the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, is the deep defensive line. They still get

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Speaker 1: a sense that's where the focus is going to be.

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Speaker 1: But do we get a larger view of how he

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Speaker 1: feels a team should be built or has success quicker

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Speaker 1: based off what he believes in how you construct a roster.

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals are in such a good spot at four.

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Speaker 5: They have so much leverage, They have so many positions

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Speaker 5: that they need to address that are deep in this

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Speaker 5: year's draft class, and there's a chance where the Cardinals

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Speaker 5: can find themselves in a position answering some phone calls

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Speaker 5: for a couple of teams, a couple spots down below them,

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Speaker 5: and you trade down a few spots, you're still able

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Speaker 5: to get a top wide receiver, a top tackle, and

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Speaker 5: then you have even more capital and more leverage to

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Speaker 5: maybe trade up and get an interior defensive lineman, get

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Speaker 5: a cornerback. I mean truly, General Manager Monti Austin, for

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Speaker 5: it has got to have the biggest grin knowing the

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Speaker 5: possibilities and if the board is going to shake out

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Speaker 5: the way people are kind of expecting, possibilities are endless.

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Speaker 1: Of course, as we sit here and speak on Friday,

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Speaker 1: March first, do our thoughts change in the coming days

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Speaker 1: and coming weeks, and we're having much different conversations.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they will closer to the draft.

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Speaker 1: Ready to go home.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm having so much fun out here with you,

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Speaker 5: Craig Oh.

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Speaker 1: I said so much sarcasm in that answer. A very

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Speaker 1: productive week, long but productive, and I do think we

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Speaker 1: accomplished a lot, and I certainly appreciate your help and

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Speaker 1: your talents here on Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you haveing me on. It's been fun. It's

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Speaker 4: been a fun week, but.

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Speaker 1: You're ready to get rid of me. Three straight shows

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Speaker 1: four days overall, you need a break.

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Speaker 4: It's more so need to break.

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Speaker 1: It's not personal, I understand. On that note, we will

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Speaker 1: put it in on this of Cardinals Cover two, presented

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Speaker 1: a week long coverage from Indianapolis special thanks to everyone

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, our executive producer Jim Mamhundro, our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher. For Danny Surrek who needs a break

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Speaker 1: well deserved. I'm Greg Raya Lou. We'll talk to you

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