Speaker 1: On today's episode of Ticket to the Draft Podcast, we
Speaker 1: have a full draft recap and we talk about the
Speaker 1: master class that AP put on, and we go through
Speaker 1: every single pick. And it's so fun doing this post
Speaker 1: draft Jason, because we get to see all those little
Speaker 1: nuggets that make these guys commanders football players. It all
Speaker 1: starts right now. Welcome to Ticket to the Draft Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with just a guy, Jason, who's
Speaker 1: really more than just a guy at this point, say
Speaker 1: you watch two hundred guys, You're more than just a guy.
Speaker 2: Anybody can watch two hundred games just a guy.
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Speaker 3: Can I say something real quick? So, yeah, I quote
Speaker 3: unquote watched two hundred and eight guys right. That means
Speaker 3: I turned it on and I watched it right. I
Speaker 3: saw them play college football in some capacity. Now, I
Speaker 3: want to be clear about something. There is some guys
Speaker 3: said I watched way more than others that I have
Speaker 3: way better feeling of sure, So I didn't even write
Speaker 3: notes on some of the guys. It's just like I
Speaker 3: quickly watched them and went, okay, I have a feel
Speaker 3: for you. This is so I can try and have
Speaker 3: recall if someone brings them up. As far as like
Speaker 3: actual evaluation, I'm probably in the one seventy five range, kind.
Speaker 1: Of in that same buff park. Because I was talking
Speaker 1: to something the other day who had watched Now they
Speaker 1: work for a team, they watched five hundred guys, and
Speaker 1: he'd written a report. And if you're working for a team,
Speaker 1: that means you're watching at least three games and sometimes
Speaker 1: six games if it's a dB so like, and I
Speaker 1: just was like, oh, yeah, I've watched about a game
Speaker 1: on a game, maybe two on about one hundred and
Speaker 1: sent five guys, and I've written a report on those guys,
Speaker 1: So a little different ball of wax.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and their report is more than like the three
Speaker 3: sentences I write.
Speaker 2: On a guy.
Speaker 1: So I've seen my agent sometimes like when he gets clients,
Speaker 1: they'll pass me a thing and be like, what do
Speaker 1: you think? And I'll watch film with a guy, and
Speaker 1: usually an NFL draft report is got the round grade
Speaker 1: at the top. Wait number of colleges they were at
Speaker 1: and then it is a significant write up, yeah, strengths, weaknesses,
Speaker 1: overall review and it sometimes scheme fits. Sometimes it's two pages,
Speaker 1: and so you're kind of like, oh, like this is
Speaker 1: not just like let me whip this up real quick
Speaker 1: in five minutes type of deal. And it's and they'll
Speaker 1: have the games watched at least at a minimum of
Speaker 1: three and sometimes it'll have like a little tab for
Speaker 1: like situations watch like two minute versus blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: We're all targets for if it's a receiver or all
Speaker 1: sacks given up, you know, if it's an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: So it is a you know, like we talk about
Speaker 1: talent evaluation, like it's just a different level of stuff
Speaker 1: that these NFL teams are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it's a full time job.
Speaker 3: I think that sometimes like people get confused, especially with
Speaker 3: national media pun ins and like people that do this,
Speaker 3: including I'm going to include myself in it. We're like
Speaker 3: this is seasonal right as it is, this season ends
Speaker 3: and for us was a little later this year is
Speaker 3: when I can start to kind of dive into this
Speaker 3: and then I can only watch so much. I only
Speaker 3: have time for so much. Now granted, I'm putting an
Speaker 3: effort into it. I'm trying to learn. But there are
Speaker 3: people like you say that work for teams, scouts and whatnot,
Speaker 3: that this is what they do all year round. And
Speaker 3: there are some national people that do this too, like
Speaker 3: Trevor Sikima is a great example. Like him and Conna
Speaker 3: Rodgers won't beff two summers scouting. They'll start already looking
Speaker 3: at tape for guys for next year. Like that is
Speaker 3: part of their gig, is that? But like for me personally,
Speaker 3: like that's why I'm just a guy, is like I'm
Speaker 3: doing what literally anybody that's listening to this out there
Speaker 3: can do. If you can find a couple hours in
Speaker 3: a day to go watch a couple of YouTube cut ups,
Speaker 3: find some all twenty two of these guys, watch every target.
Speaker 3: If you're like psychotic enough to do that, then you
Speaker 3: can do what I just did. I'm just a guy, right,
Speaker 3: I'm not a professional scout. I'm not involved in I'm
Speaker 3: not involved in going to see them. I'm not involved
Speaker 3: in the interview process. Like there are a few things
Speaker 3: that working for a team kind of helps me with,
Speaker 3: Like we get to go to the combine, see them
Speaker 3: live there and the Senior Bowl and things like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so when you say like, I'm not just
Speaker 3: a guy, I'm absolutely just a guy.
Speaker 1: You're just a guy compared to NFL people, but compared
Speaker 1: to the most people, you're you're starting to move up
Speaker 1: in the world a little bit, right Like. And it's funny,
Speaker 1: even like Trevor Sigama, who we have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for on the show. We have them all the time.
Speaker 1: He's really smart dude. I think there's also just a
Speaker 1: difference between like the level of stuff that he's watching,
Speaker 1: like in terms of how deep he's going, and also
Speaker 1: like the actual scouting stuff, like when you talk to
Speaker 1: an NFL scout, like they know they know the prospect
Speaker 1: in a different way. And I know we've mentioned that before,
Speaker 1: but I just think it's an important thing. As we
Speaker 1: kind of conclude our Ticket to the Draft season here,
Speaker 1: we got this episode and one more. It's just to
Speaker 1: kind of it. It always I always find it helpful
Speaker 1: to reflect on, you know, Like when a fan comes
Speaker 1: up to me, it's like, oh, man, I think they're
Speaker 1: really missed out on so and so right the player
Speaker 1: X and I having watched the film, I'm like I
Speaker 1: know why just from the film and then sometimes I've
Speaker 1: like talked to people and I know a little bit
Speaker 1: of inside baseball, but just these teams, and we've talked
Speaker 1: about a nauseum. They are in a different stratosphere of
Speaker 1: distilling information. They're watching way more film than most people.
Speaker 1: Like I said, this guy was watching at least three games,
Speaker 1: sometimes six games on prospects. He goes back and rewatches
Speaker 1: prospects right, and then in conjunction with that element, there's
Speaker 1: also like investigative information on prospects. Right, He's talked to
Speaker 1: prospects like it's really next level, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean in terms of what these teams are doing, and
Speaker 1: you mean you still need to make good decisions with
Speaker 1: that information, but it's just it's so much more comprehensive
Speaker 1: than anything that we could do. And I think even
Speaker 1: like Trevor Sikamo, who's doing it year round, could do
Speaker 1: just because their access to the athletes is so much different.
Speaker 2: It's so hard.
Speaker 3: That's why there's not one guy on an NFL team
Speaker 3: that's doing this. There a lot of scouts, there's a GM,
Speaker 3: there's the assistant GM, there's heads ahead of scouting departments
Speaker 3: like there's a ton and they're all getting together. Because
Speaker 3: there's so much that goes into this, it's really really
Speaker 3: hard for one person to do all of it, even
Speaker 3: year round. The other thing I wanted to mention and
Speaker 3: then we can get off of this and do Commander's
Speaker 3: draft recap is that when we do this or when
Speaker 3: I do this for this pod, and then when a
Speaker 3: lot of people do this naturally, like the mel Kuipers,
Speaker 3: the field Gates, whoever, right, Todd mcshay's, when they do it,
Speaker 3: they're doing it with a zoomed out NFL lens, and
Speaker 3: teams don't always look at prospects that way. They zoom
Speaker 3: in and go scheme matters, personality, mat like things that
Speaker 3: you look at when you're looking at it, as can
Speaker 3: this guy make it in the NFL quote unquote. Other
Speaker 3: teams are looking can they make it here in this situation,
Speaker 3: in this scheme, with our coaching, with our culture, and
Speaker 3: those are all things that we don't look at. I
Speaker 3: don't look at that go into the evaluation process. And
Speaker 3: there could be a player that is uber talented and
Speaker 3: people are going nuts on TV on the broadcast.
Speaker 2: Why is this guy falling? Oh my god, he's my
Speaker 2: best available.
Speaker 3: He's going so far down and it's like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: there are things that maybe he doesn't fit in with
Speaker 3: teams that are would look for him. And that's not
Speaker 3: just personality, that could be scheme, just straight up scheme.
Speaker 3: He doesn't fit in what we're trying to do. So
Speaker 3: why would we bring him in and try and put
Speaker 3: a square peg in a round hole. That's not going
Speaker 3: to be good for him, It's not going to be
Speaker 3: good for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think the other thing
Speaker 1: that I would just kind of piggyback on that with
Speaker 1: is as you move down the draft, there's a reason
Speaker 1: that you see projected. You know, if I try to
Speaker 1: project the top one hundred, that's relatively easy because you're
Speaker 1: just saying these are going to be the top one
Speaker 1: hundred players in the draft. But as you get down
Speaker 1: into like that like one to two fifty kind of range,
Speaker 1: it becomes really hard for the reason that you're talking about, right,
Speaker 1: because people are going to say, oh, we like cornerback,
Speaker 1: We like the fifteenth quarterback better than the tenth cornerback
Speaker 1: because we think he fits what we want to do
Speaker 1: defensively a little bit better. So all of a sudden
Speaker 1: all that feels like a each but it's like that's
Speaker 1: where the stylistic elements of the team become like they're
Speaker 1: projected on full display. And you're still trying to draft
Speaker 1: good football players obviously, but I think, but I think
Speaker 1: that's something to consider. Like as you move down the
Speaker 1: draft board, like the tiers get wider, there's more people
Speaker 1: per tier, and it becomes harder to kind of identify
Speaker 1: what the league's valuing at that moment of the draft.
Speaker 1: Are they looking for, you know, a third down running back,
Speaker 1: Are they looking for a special teams guy? And I
Speaker 1: think those decisions, those those those decisions can be tough.
Speaker 1: So with that in mind, I think we should do
Speaker 1: our draft recap. And you know, I kind of I
Speaker 1: consume a fair amount of draft content, Jason, And one
Speaker 1: of the things that sticks out to me is it
Speaker 1: seems like kind of nationally, the Commander's Draft is very
Speaker 1: well supported, very well like kind of across the board.
Speaker 1: CBS Sports gave it an A minus, AP News gave
Speaker 1: it a B plus, Sports lillitat to give it a B.
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com B p f F P plus, The
Speaker 1: Ringer B and there's a couple things I want to
Speaker 1: touch on there. One, I think and a low volume
Speaker 1: draft to get a B grade at a minimum is
Speaker 1: pretty good. And then you couple that there's a I
Speaker 1: forget the publication, but they basically aggregate all of the
Speaker 1: all of the mock draft data put in an an
Speaker 1: algorithm and then compare it to who was actually drafted.
Speaker 1: And the Commanders in that model were the second highest
Speaker 1: graded team. So obviously there's a lot of value in
Speaker 1: this draft, and that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let me let me start off by saying
Speaker 3: that this is really cool. We love it last year
Speaker 3: when we got a bunch of a's across the board,
Speaker 3: and I think, though, we're getting b's here, which is good.
Speaker 2: That's above average, Right, that's a solid draft.
Speaker 3: Right. I think these grades sometimes vary on the sexiness
Speaker 3: of the draft as well, right, Like, it's hard to
Speaker 3: like not give an A to a team that drafts
Speaker 3: like a potential game changing quarterback. But the other thing
Speaker 3: that I wanted to say about this is none of
Speaker 3: this matters, right, Like, these grades they're cool, Right, I'm
Speaker 3: glad that the everybody thinks that this is a good
Speaker 3: draft for us, and that everybody's happy about this draft naturally,
Speaker 3: like that's cool, that's great, it makes me feel better,
Speaker 3: but also like, these guys haven't played a down of
Speaker 3: football in the NFL yet, so we don't know how
Speaker 3: any of this is going to fall. And I have
Speaker 3: seen sometimes here sometimes other places draft grades of c's
Speaker 3: and d's and it ended up being a great.
Speaker 2: Draft for that class.
Speaker 3: So this is not to say that we're going to
Speaker 3: be worse than an A A B plus a B,
Speaker 3: but we could be better than this. This could end
Speaker 3: up being two back to back drafts that are fantastic
Speaker 3: for this organization.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing that sticks out to
Speaker 1: me piggybacking out that point is that, like after me
Speaker 1: doing a big board, me doing a horizontal board, and
Speaker 1: like really kind of working through the process of the
Speaker 1: first one hundred picks specifically, it gave me a much
Speaker 1: stronger appreciation, quite honestly, for how Ap handled the draft. Right.
Speaker 1: He kind of just took these players that had like
Speaker 1: really high floors, that were very that were very safe,
Speaker 1: very safe picks. Like the confidence level in Josh Connery
Speaker 1: is extremely high. And I was talking to someone this
Speaker 1: morning about, you know, like what about Josh Shimmons. And
Speaker 1: I think you and I both from the tape had
Speaker 1: higher grades on Josh Shimmons, Like he was he's a freak, right,
Speaker 1: He's like this athletic unicorny moves really well.
Speaker 2: But he might not play football.
Speaker 1: He might not play football this year because he got
Speaker 1: he's got he's got the torm potella. There's some you know,
Speaker 1: behavioral stuff off the field that I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't not privy to what exactly that is. So is
Speaker 1: it him you know, watching too much TV or is
Speaker 1: it anything? Yeah? And then the other element too is
Speaker 1: like the consistency of play when he was on the field.
Speaker 1: He only played six games. You see the athletic flashes.
Speaker 1: But when you compare the consistency of play to Josh
Speaker 1: Connelly for example, who we picked at twenty nine, Connery
Speaker 1: was incredibly consistent. And I think that's something that's extremely
Speaker 1: valuable is knowing the floor of a player, to me,
Speaker 1: especially when you're picking high, is extremely extremely important. So
Speaker 1: you know, like just to kind of flesh out this
Speaker 1: discussion fully, it's like, you know, Will Johnson that comes
Speaker 1: out that he's got some type of serious knee issue
Speaker 1: that was that limited him last season and could limit
Speaker 1: him moving forward. Yeah, he slips in the draft, and
Speaker 1: then obviously Mike Green, then he slips in the draft.
Speaker 1: The sexual assault allegations, which he acknowledged. He talked about
Speaker 1: them at the combine, apparently talking with a couple of
Speaker 1: scouts and a couple of gms, Like didn't handle those
Speaker 1: interviews super well. So again, if that's going to be
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a red flag, like why
Speaker 1: not go with a player like Connory? Who you know?
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing about Connory that is
Speaker 1: so important to understand and in the landscape of those
Speaker 1: other names that we just mentioned, is he is an
Speaker 1: athletic freak. So not only is does he have a
Speaker 1: very high floor, like a very consistent methodology of play
Speaker 1: and is excellent value at twenty nine, but his ceiling
Speaker 1: is also tremendously high. Right, he's six', five he's three,
Speaker 1: eleven so little bit on the slender side for an offensive.
Speaker 1: Tackle he's only twenty one years, Old he's going to
Speaker 1: continue to. Grow it's got thirty four inch, Arms like
Speaker 1: that's meeting all those threshold numbers that we talked about for.
Speaker 1: Tackles and he ran a five flat forty with one
Speaker 1: of the fastest tens of the combine and a tremendous
Speaker 1: First SO i just look at, That i'm, like this
Speaker 1: dude has the athletic makeup to be significantly, better, like you,
Speaker 1: know move up into that kind of top, twelve top
Speaker 1: fifteen range of offensive linemen while also having a very
Speaker 1: high floor and very good. Character AND i think obviously
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about these guys individually as we,
Speaker 1: go BUT i think understanding that dynamic Around Josh connery
Speaker 1: makes it kind of paints a really beautiful picture for
Speaker 1: WHAT ap did in this draft and what the whole staff.
Speaker 1: Did they just, said we want guys that we know
Speaker 1: that we have very high confidence, in and that can
Speaker 1: be more because of the athletic.
Speaker 3: Profile the other thing THAT ap, did And i'm going
Speaker 3: to steal a take From Jeremy, green friend of the pod,
Speaker 3: HERE i texted.
Speaker 2: Him after the.
Speaker 3: DRAFT i was, like just give me your, thoughts and
Speaker 3: he said something that stuck out THE i was, like
Speaker 3: oh my, GOSH i didn't even think about, that and
Speaker 3: that was if if you look at your For, jeremy
Speaker 3: it was his personal one mind matched up a little
Speaker 3: bit where it was like our personal big board and tier,
Speaker 3: right you have A tier one kind of offensive, lineman
Speaker 3: and they were gone by the time you get to
Speaker 3: pick twenty.
Speaker 2: Nine and Then.
Speaker 3: Ap takes the. First for, me it would have been
Speaker 3: the first out of the next tier of offensive linemen in.
Speaker 2: Connery so then you see after.
Speaker 3: That in the end of the first and into the
Speaker 3: beginning of the second, round more offensive linemen start to drop.
Speaker 3: Again so What Jeremy green said is Like ap was
Speaker 3: the trendsetter, here, right he got on it Before you're
Speaker 3: not panicking and, going oh my, gosh here comes to,
Speaker 3: RUN i need to jump on the. Train he's the
Speaker 3: one driving the. Train he's the one driving what the trends.
Speaker 3: Are so he saw that when picked twenty, Nine, okay
Speaker 3: we're already in the next. Tier so let's get the
Speaker 3: best out of the SO i don't have to panic
Speaker 3: and feel LIKE i have to trade, UP i have
Speaker 3: to get a guy, here or it's letting the draft
Speaker 3: fall to, you but also realizing you need to be
Speaker 3: one step ahead of other. Teams and that's what he
Speaker 3: Would that's what he. Did it looked like that's what he.
Speaker 3: Did and when he When jeremy said that to. ME
Speaker 3: i went back and looked at my board AND i was,
Speaker 3: like oh my. Gosh he did that For, connory he
Speaker 3: did that For, amos and he did that For Jalen
Speaker 3: lane a little bit, too when you get into that.
Speaker 3: Area so like he was the one leading the charge
Speaker 3: when it came to, oh here comes a. Run, yeah
Speaker 3: it was started by the commanders when you go back
Speaker 3: and look at.
Speaker 1: It. Yeah AND i think that's a great point brought
Speaker 1: up by you And jeremy and that like if you're
Speaker 1: looking at guys that were going to be fringe first round,
Speaker 1: players so Like connorly to me was like that tier,
Speaker 1: four so like you can go at, thirty you could
Speaker 1: go at. Fifty there's kind of that nice range of
Speaker 1: where he could. Go but Like connorly to me is
Speaker 1: in that cluster of first round players like kind of
Speaker 1: rite on that teetering, board and so getting him there
Speaker 1: is tremendous. Value and THEN i think the next offensive
Speaker 1: lineman Is Ossie, tripelle who to me is in a
Speaker 1: distinctly different, category, right kind of to your. Point and
Speaker 1: then you Get Anthony, belton who's kind of in That trpillo, category,
Speaker 1: Right and then you Go Charles grant From william And,
Speaker 1: mary who's more of a developmental guy Than, okay that's
Speaker 1: three guys right, there and then there's another drop off
Speaker 1: To Jalen, travis who's kind of in that next. Year
Speaker 1: and so if you, said, hey we really needed to
Speaker 1: get an offensive tackle in the, draft you're looking and, saying, well,
Speaker 1: shoot Like Anthony Belton Jalen travis are kind of the next.
Speaker 1: Like so one of those guys will probably be at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the, second high, third one of those
Speaker 1: guys will be at the bottom of the, third early.
Speaker 1: Fourth we're not picking again until one twenty, eight you,
Speaker 1: know after sixty. One we're not picking into one twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight and so if you dropped An Anthony belton at sixty,
Speaker 1: one that's a, reach you know WHAT i. Mean that's
Speaker 1: and so. Understanding you. Know Dan quinn said this when
Speaker 1: we did the interview with, him you know, Me Brian,
Speaker 1: colbert we talked to him before the. Draft he, said
Speaker 1: one of ap superpowers is understanding the layout of the,
Speaker 1: landscape like understanding where the value resides and like so he, said,
Speaker 1: like as a, COACH i get to watch the players
Speaker 1: AND i love all of, them So i'll come to
Speaker 1: him and be, like, MAN i really love PLAYER. X
Speaker 1: i JUST i can't get enough of. Him and THEN ap, says,
Speaker 1: oh that's good to. Know BUT ap knows like he
Speaker 1: is going to be picked in the fifth, round so
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be a first round. Player but we
Speaker 1: can kind of wait and find this guy That Dan
Speaker 1: quinn loves later in the. Draft and, that to me
Speaker 1: is one of the hardest things to, do is being
Speaker 1: able to separate your big board from what you perceive
Speaker 1: the league's big board to. Be AND i think you
Speaker 1: just did a really excellent job of. That and Again
Speaker 1: connorly kind of exemplifies. That.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Absolutely and just to put that into, perspective we
Speaker 3: were watching the draft together AND i had a hard
Speaker 3: time getting out of my own head and my own
Speaker 3: biases for players THAT i, liked And i'd sit there and, go,
Speaker 3: OH i really want this.
Speaker 2: GUY i really want this. GUY i really want this,
Speaker 2: guy and he would go two rounds, later and, like
Speaker 2: that's not a knock my. Evaluation that's a great.
Speaker 3: Point it's just That i'm sitting here thinking only of
Speaker 3: myself and my big, board And i'm not thinking, that,
Speaker 3: well do The titans need a player like. This SO
Speaker 3: i didn't sit there and, go, OH i can just.
Speaker 3: Wait i'm just sitting there looking at my. Board i'm, like,
Speaker 3: oh he's right, there he's right. There he's right, there
Speaker 3: not considering what other.
Speaker 1: Teams want or, need.
Speaker 2: Want, need or have history of, doing.
Speaker 1: How they prioritize stuff like it's and when you think
Speaker 1: about it in that, way it makes it even more,
Speaker 1: impressive like having gone through this. Process and again it's
Speaker 1: it's a fraction of what they, do as we talked
Speaker 1: about at the top of the, show but it's it's
Speaker 1: just for draft. Nerds AND i count myself as THAT
Speaker 1: i account you as that it's an impressive thing to
Speaker 1: be patient to take best player, available predict where the
Speaker 1: draft's going to, go and make some of these. Decisions
Speaker 1: and like you, said it doesn't mean they're going to
Speaker 1: be great, pros but it leads to great value throughout the.
Speaker 1: Draft AND i think that leads us really nicely to
Speaker 1: tray a most quarterback From Old. Miss and there was
Speaker 1: a lot of other good football players on the, board
Speaker 1: Like Shavon novel was one THAT i know a lot
Speaker 1: of fans were kind of climbing For fred mentioned him
Speaker 1: on the show and the thing that stuck out to
Speaker 1: me about him was when you Compare Shavone revel to
Speaker 1: Tre amos as an, example Tree, amos you know you
Speaker 1: get him. More he's a better player right. Now revel
Speaker 1: is more of a projection right and there are, people
Speaker 1: there are teams that draft strictly on. Projection like if
Speaker 1: you look at The Arizona cardinals, draft there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Like Walter Nolan birch like, that we think these
Speaker 1: guys could be high, ceiling high, ceiling but there's also
Speaker 1: a relatively low floor Trey, amos high, floor high ceiling.
Speaker 1: Prospect and If i'm A, gm, like that's WHAT i.
Speaker 1: WANT i want some level of security and That i've
Speaker 1: seen him do it year on, year multiple different. Programs
Speaker 1: i've seen him play, Man i've seen him play. Zone
Speaker 1: i've seen him be A he's not a great, tacker
Speaker 1: but a willing. Tackler he's got the ball skills we.
Speaker 3: Want as An ALL sec first team, sixteen pass defense
Speaker 3: has led THE sec last, year so THE sec known
Speaker 3: for their defense against good.
Speaker 2: Offenses he shared.
Speaker 1: It, yeah and you compare that To revel and. EVERYONE
Speaker 1: i Love revel, Right but it's important to remember. That
Speaker 1: And i'm going to talk about learning something from making my,
Speaker 1: Board like the certainty of What Tree amos is is
Speaker 1: more valuable than the what if of What Shavone revelt could.
Speaker 1: Be even THOUGH i think they're both going to be good,
Speaker 1: players or they have the potential to be good, Players
Speaker 1: i'm way more confident That amos is going to, be
Speaker 1: at least in year one a better. Player BUT i
Speaker 1: think then you look at the, profile and this is
Speaker 1: Something ap said when he came in and talked to
Speaker 1: us after The connolly. Pick he, said you know the
Speaker 1: coaches were, aligned the you, know the front office was,
Speaker 1: aligned the scouts were. Aligned AND i think this is
Speaker 1: one THAT i don't think about, enough is the analytics
Speaker 1: department was. Aligned like he fit the physical profile from
Speaker 1: a production a movement skill set that means he can
Speaker 1: be a good.
Speaker 3: Pro, yeah if you look at it like a spider,
Speaker 3: graph you know those like expand, out the spokes go,
Speaker 3: Out it's almost Like amos hits all those that are out,
Speaker 3: there so it's your most well, rounded, Right AND i
Speaker 3: don't want to harp on this too, much but again
Speaker 3: we're talking about Revel amos was. There there's a couple
Speaker 3: other cornerbacks that were there that could possibly. Go this
Speaker 3: is a, tier and now you're at the point Where
Speaker 3: ap is picking the one that he wants out of the.
Speaker 3: Tier he's not waiting for the run to. Start and
Speaker 3: then HE'S i don't want to say, stuck but he's
Speaker 3: kind of forced to pick out of a group that
Speaker 3: maybe he didn't.
Speaker 1: Want.
Speaker 3: Right want's a wrong, word but you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Mean they're pulling items out of the grocery basket and
Speaker 3: so it's, like, oh, well instead of carrots and, BROCCOLI
Speaker 3: i have to choose between. That it's, like oh, NO
Speaker 3: i got peas in. Here BUT i don't know WHY
Speaker 3: i use vegetables as an, Example but that's the. Point
Speaker 3: is like before that quarterback run from this tier, Went
Speaker 3: AP's grabbing the one that he, wants right BECAUSE i.
Speaker 1: Think because IF i remember, CORRECTLY i Think revel And
Speaker 1: Benjamin morris that's. It, yeah benjaminas all went after. Right you,
Speaker 1: know so a.
Speaker 3: Good players all in that, round, right and they they
Speaker 3: all could be great, players, right and who knows of
Speaker 3: those is going to be quote unquote the best out of?
Speaker 3: Them but the commanders in ap was able to grab
Speaker 3: the one that they. Wanted they weren't forced in any.
Speaker 1: Direction, yeah, Absolutely and, again LIKE i think that's one
Speaker 1: of the REASONS i get so excited about the draft is,
Speaker 1: like SOMETIMES i Think i've told you this. Before Sometimes
Speaker 1: i'm watching the team's draft or another team THAT i
Speaker 1: am a fan, of for, example and a name will
Speaker 1: come up on the. Board i'm, like, AH i hate.
Speaker 1: THAT i hate, That like that doesn't feel like the
Speaker 1: right kind of fit for, here, Right, Yeah AND i
Speaker 1: didn't feel that way with any of the, Picks like
Speaker 1: some of them were surprising to, me Like Jalen. Lane
Speaker 1: will talk about him in a, second like they're a
Speaker 1: little bit. Surprising but when you, think like WHEN i
Speaker 1: went back and looked at my, NOTES i was, like
Speaker 1: he's a good football, player go watch him. Film you're,
Speaker 1: like he's excellent at what he. Does sense for, Here,
Speaker 1: yeah it makes sense for what we're doing. Here AND
Speaker 1: i think that the reasoning and the logic behind all
Speaker 1: the picks really. Important you were talking about runs and
Speaker 1: this is one of the more interesting moments in the
Speaker 1: draft for me because obviously they're picking out one twenty
Speaker 1: eight With Jalen lane and right before, that there's, LIKE
Speaker 1: i want to, say four edge rushers that go off the.
Speaker 1: Board it Was David, walker it Was sorel From texas
Speaker 1: the edge. Rusher there was two other guys THAT i
Speaker 1: was very high on at the moment that they get.
Speaker 1: Drafted Jalen travis is the guy at won twenty seven
Speaker 1: of The, colts and you're kind of, like, oh AND
Speaker 1: i remember, looking you, know Because i'm kind of following
Speaker 1: on my phone and checking my board at home While i'm.
Speaker 1: WAITING i was, LIKE i don't, know there's no edge
Speaker 1: rusher here THAT i would, take you, Know and so
Speaker 1: what becomes the? Priority AND i love the fact that
Speaker 1: they Drafted Jalen lane because of this tremendous athletic. Profile but,
Speaker 1: again the profile is, good but the film supports. It
Speaker 1: you guy who catches the football, well who's, competitive who's,
Speaker 1: tough who's a confident football, player he'll, block he's the
Speaker 1: son of a, coach you, know like all those things
Speaker 1: kind of stack up and you, say, wow like this
Speaker 1: is the right fit for The. Commanders he fits, that
Speaker 1: especially teams. Nee BUT i also think he fits a
Speaker 1: role in the, offense like getting a guy who can
Speaker 1: push the top off or stretch you horizontally open up
Speaker 1: windows quickly for this passing. Game The Cliff kingsbury cultivates
Speaker 1: is pretty. Cool so that's.
Speaker 3: Exciting, yeah if you want to hear more About, Connor
Speaker 3: lee And amos are two previous pods before, this we
Speaker 3: deep dive into.
Speaker 2: Them, yes but we're going.
Speaker 3: To deep dive in the lane here in the next two.
Speaker 3: Picks So Jalen, lane the wide receiver From Virginia. Tech
Speaker 3: you were talking about all the things that he can.
Speaker 3: Do do you have his measurables in front of you
Speaker 3: that you can BECAUSE i think he was four to three.
Speaker 1: Four fourty four three. Four he had eleven foot broad,
Speaker 1: Jump he had a forty one inch. Vertical he had
Speaker 1: A i think it was a one five oh ten yard,
Speaker 1: split which is very. Fast he had a sub seven
Speaker 1: like a significantly under sub seven three, cone which is
Speaker 1: kind of the standard, there kind of like you're if
Speaker 1: it's under four five as a forty that's kind of
Speaker 1: the same. Mark he had a four one two twenty yard,
Speaker 1: shuttle so you're five to ten, Five so all those
Speaker 1: numbers are, tremendous really really, tremendous and you're looking for,
Speaker 1: again like in the fourth round to get a guy
Speaker 1: who Profiles like we were talking on The Command center
Speaker 1: podcast about how closely that comped To, santana you, know pretty.
Speaker 2: CLOSE i think it was a bit more first.
Speaker 1: Round but, yeah, Yeah santana WAS i think it was
Speaker 1: a four to three to, one but he had the
Speaker 1: four three six that he ran to so they averaged
Speaker 1: the times or. Whatever so obviously he's you, know three
Speaker 1: hundreds off the time.
Speaker 2: He's had a four to. Eight by the, way let's not, them.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah but. Nobody so they the way they did,
Speaker 1: it they averaged his two. Times, yeah and so they
Speaker 1: gave him a four to three to one or. Whatever
Speaker 1: it was the final mark that he, got which is incredibly.
Speaker 1: Sissy and then he had like a little bit over
Speaker 1: a FORTY i think it was a forty three inch vertical.
Speaker 1: Jump his, story the way he tells it is like
Speaker 1: he you, know like they didn't have enough rungs on the.
Speaker 3: On the they discussed.
Speaker 1: It, yeah and he didn't do a broad jump because
Speaker 1: he doested so. Well but that's kind of the athlete
Speaker 1: here you're talking. About they move a little bit. Differently you.
Speaker 1: Know tanna was elite from a suddenness lower body, Standpoint
Speaker 1: but there is a little bit of that Too Jalen
Speaker 1: lane in terms of how he breaks, tackles his ability to.
Speaker 1: Accelerate he doesn't look fast like his turnovers on, fast
Speaker 1: but you can see he's a very, powerful strong runner
Speaker 1: moving down the.
Speaker 3: Field one of the things is, like, well if all
Speaker 3: of this is true about, him why did he fall
Speaker 3: to where he, did why was he taken back here
Speaker 3: instead of the first or second or third?
Speaker 2: Round and why did he get back into the fourth?
Speaker 2: Round and one of the.
Speaker 3: Things THAT i like about taking players like this is
Speaker 3: that sometimes you can get caught up and watching film
Speaker 3: about realizing what the context is of the player you're,
Speaker 3: Watching and one of those Is Virginia tech, itself, Right so,
Speaker 3: like that's tough being a wide receiver out Of Virginia.
Speaker 3: Tech you mentioned this on The Command center show that
Speaker 3: everyone can check out On, Thursday but talk to me
Speaker 3: a little bit about What Virginia tech did and how
Speaker 3: this could have played a little bit into a sneaky
Speaker 3: pit For washington where they.
Speaker 1: Go, YEAH i definitely think it's kind of. This it's
Speaker 1: a strange offense to watch because it's like they kind
Speaker 1: of want to be a running have their quarterback run the.
Speaker 1: Football he's not a great, passer you. KNOW i think
Speaker 1: he's actually coming in for mini. Camp but he's a tremendous.
Speaker 1: Athlete he's six,' three he's. Two twenty he ran us
Speaker 1: a four. Five forty he's got a forty. Inch vertical
Speaker 1: he like he might, play receiver. YOU know, i mean
Speaker 1: like that's like how athletic. He is but they didn't
Speaker 1: really have a. Strong identity, it's, like here we're gonna
Speaker 1: run a. Little harpo we're gonna run all of this
Speaker 1: jet run stuff to. The perimeter the backside receiver is just.
Speaker 1: Gonna chill and it just it wasn't very well constructed or.
Speaker 1: Thought OUT and i think it was obviously if you're
Speaker 1: a running Back Like, basil tooton like you're gonna be
Speaker 1: very productive there because they're kind of a run. First
Speaker 1: TEAM but i think some of the stuff that suck
Speaker 1: out to me was it just did not provide a
Speaker 1: great opportunity to let the receivers. Be successful like there
Speaker 1: was another guy THAT that i think, It, was uh
Speaker 1: there's another receiver THERE that i, was WATCHING and i,
Speaker 1: just like it's so hard to quantify what you are
Speaker 1: because you're not getting that. Many opportunities you're not on
Speaker 1: the field, that much like you're not involved in the play.
Speaker 1: That MUCH but i will SAY when i was watching
Speaker 1: these other this, other receiver like the guy that took
Speaker 1: out to me was Was. Was lane because he's, he's
Speaker 1: willing he's willing, the block, he's physical he makes great
Speaker 1: catches down, The field he's got good, body CONTROL and
Speaker 1: i do think his route running nuance was way under
Speaker 1: sold At At virginia tech and hopefully gets to show.
Speaker 1: MORE that I actually i'm going to go back and
Speaker 1: Watch His senior bowl TAPE because i think he had
Speaker 1: some bunch of one on ONES and i just didn't
Speaker 1: register that he. Was THERE like i Remember watching Tesla
Speaker 1: And pat bryant and, you know all these different, You Know,
Speaker 1: kyle williams all these different receivers that were getting more
Speaker 1: national Narrative PUB and i think that's the OTHER thing
Speaker 1: i just want to point out, here too Is we
Speaker 1: JASON and i are beholden to like. National lists so
Speaker 1: Like If jalen lane's not on the main list that we're,
Speaker 1: looking at LIKE the pff LIST Or espn top, YOU
Speaker 1: know i think it's top TWO Fifty Nfl.
Speaker 2: Daniel, Jeremia, yeah like we.
Speaker 1: Have a hard time tracking these. Guys DOWN so i
Speaker 1: tracked this guy down kind of, by accident, you know
Speaker 1: because he wasn't on. The LIST but i just he's
Speaker 1: still a really good, football player and just because he
Speaker 1: wasn't in the national dialogue as much as some of these,
Speaker 1: other guys it wasn't. A story don't let that diminish
Speaker 1: what he is as a. Football.
Speaker 3: Player yeah the other thing is that sometimes we miss
Speaker 3: these guys because you're going to be a part of
Speaker 3: the team in a way that isn't necessarily the way
Speaker 3: that we look at it. Right away and the best
Speaker 3: example of that is. Special, Teams right he's going to
Speaker 3: be a special teamer here and he's going to be good. At,
Speaker 3: It right like twenty twenty four last Year the all
Speaker 3: acc third team as a, return, specialist right so he
Speaker 3: was electric with the ball in. His hands tanna talked
Speaker 3: about It because tanner was a. Return specialist talked. About,
Speaker 3: him yep they did some returns IN. The nfl and
Speaker 3: one of The things tanna talks about on McMann, center
Speaker 3: pod which is out, right now is, that look coaches
Speaker 3: say to you catch, the ball get to miss and
Speaker 3: we want a first down or even to get some
Speaker 3: missing ten or that's what, he says ten or, twenty Yards,
Speaker 3: right like that's what we want out.
Speaker 2: Of you flip the.
Speaker 3: Field position even if we go three, and out you're
Speaker 3: benefiting us in the. Return game that's what this kid.
Speaker 3: Can do and one of THE reasons i know we
Speaker 3: drafted him for, this reason not just, this reason but
Speaker 3: this reason being a key part is THAT when espn
Speaker 3: was doing, their broadcast they, cut away you know sometimes
Speaker 3: hear their draft room and on this cutaway in. This
Speaker 3: pick you can check. This out you can watch it.
Speaker 3: On YouTube, Izzo Man, larry izzo our special. Teams coach he.
Speaker 3: Was excited how often do you see the special teams
Speaker 3: coach in a draft room in the fourth round dapping
Speaker 3: people up with a huge cheese on, his face just
Speaker 3: like excited as all. GET out i bet you he's
Speaker 3: in this, room saying this guy is going to do
Speaker 3: something good for us immediately. Right away he's going to
Speaker 3: add to that special team's threat that. We have because,
Speaker 3: Guess what washington was great at special teams. Last year
Speaker 3: it was a big part of why we.
Speaker 1: Were, Successful yeah i'm really excited to see that role
Speaker 1: and again just to get more dangerous and those fats
Speaker 1: of the game is going to be. Extremely, important yeah,
Speaker 1: you Know. Be mitch it the same thing, about him
Speaker 1: like he gets north and south. Right now and you
Speaker 1: watch that he had a Return versus marshall that was.
Speaker 1: Really incredible he kind of like caught it in traffic
Speaker 1: and then, you know broke a tackle and then you
Speaker 1: see the lower body strength and you see. The Speed,
Speaker 1: so heah obviously he's got to earn that job and
Speaker 1: show that he can do it AT the. Nfl level but.
Speaker 3: But getting that, in here even, that mentality the know
Speaker 3: how of this is special teams is Important and i'm
Speaker 3: going to contribute to it in the Sense of i'm
Speaker 3: coming in here knowing.
Speaker 2: It's important i'm going to grind.
Speaker 3: For it and again Back, to tanna, he, said like,
Speaker 3: you know somebody that catches the ball like that gotta
Speaker 3: have a little, Screw loose like it's a certain mentality
Speaker 3: that you got to have to play that position as
Speaker 3: a return and and he's.
Speaker 2: Got, it no.
Speaker 1: That's RIGHT and i just go back to like do
Speaker 1: you remember his family when we were at the at.
Speaker 1: The combine do you? Remember them so he ran his
Speaker 1: forty and there was a section of fans like directly to.
Speaker 1: Our right, oh shoot that. Was him that. Was him,
Speaker 1: OH yes i remember going. Crazy, excited yeah it looks like,
Speaker 1: a brother maybe. An uncle we're standing up and just.
Speaker 1: Remember there let's go eight three and just so passionate,
Speaker 1: about him and if he has a fraction, of that
Speaker 1: like we've got an absolute STETT and i think, we
Speaker 1: do so that he's a really, exciting pick especially at one.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight and then let's move On To caine madrano
Speaker 1: Right from. UCLA's ruined that's. Exactly RIGHT and i was
Speaker 1: really high, on him very very high. ON him i
Speaker 1: think he was like my third linebacker or. FOURTH linebacker
Speaker 1: i don't remember EXACTLY where i had him in my top,
Speaker 1: one hundred and so let's talk ABOUT why i had
Speaker 1: him in my top one hundred and, so basically he.
Speaker 1: Plays linebacker he's a converted wide receiver now. Plays linebacker
Speaker 1: and one of THE things i look FOR when i
Speaker 1: evaluate linebackers now More than i've ever looked for, them
Speaker 1: before is this their ability, to move like, their, movements
Speaker 1: skills like their ability to open, their hips, run, cover,
Speaker 1: flexibility dexterity and coverage because now so many teams just
Speaker 1: try to stress the linebacker positions so much with these
Speaker 1: throws over the. Middle field so to get Guys like
Speaker 1: sweesssinger who was who was a thirty third, pick overall
Speaker 1: and You know kane on the same team and watching
Speaker 1: them cover. Was tremendous so his coverage, skills early like
Speaker 1: he can cover. Wide receivers he kind of lines up
Speaker 1: in the slot as that star. Linebacker position he can carry.
Speaker 1: Receivers vertically he does a great job in zone coverage
Speaker 1: of kind of feeling. The space you can see his
Speaker 1: like receiver background because he kind of understands concepts and
Speaker 1: where the ball should. Be going he played middle linebacker,
Speaker 1: for them like when they were kind. Of working ola
Speaker 1: femi oldeisio back to defensive end in. Certain roles he
Speaker 1: played defensive end in certain roles like At The. Shrine
Speaker 1: bowl he had a couple interceptions in one. On ones
Speaker 1: he had a couple of sacks as a. Pass rusher
Speaker 1: he's got this kind of crazy suddenness and flexibility that
Speaker 1: reminds me a.
Speaker 3: Little bit let me double click real quick one the
Speaker 3: interceptions in one on ones From The. Shrine, bowl yeah
Speaker 3: because we talk about this when we were down At The. Senior,
Speaker 3: bowl yes when you have in the one on one
Speaker 3: drills with linebackers and, running backs it is impossible almost
Speaker 3: for a linebacker to cover the running back because they
Speaker 3: line the running back lines up right in.
Speaker 1: The middle of.
Speaker 2: The field he can go.
Speaker 3: Any direction there's no, leverage help you have no idea
Speaker 3: what route that's gonna this guy is, gonna run and he.
Speaker 2: Has a whole field in front. Of him it is.
Speaker 3: Nearly impossible and what you're looking at we talked, about
Speaker 3: this what you're looking for with a linebacker in this
Speaker 3: position is just can you how are?
Speaker 2: You, moving yeah more, than anything we don't expect you
Speaker 2: to make a. Play here my guy, made.
Speaker 1: Plays, made plays and it was like and the usually
Speaker 1: when the linebacker makes, an interception there's like a bad
Speaker 1: pi like they're pulling the running. Backs down his feet
Speaker 1: and his hips were. So good he didn't touch. The
Speaker 1: back he just undercut the. Ball TWICE and i just,
Speaker 1: was like oh, My gosh like that's, that's incredible that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Skill set like we were watching a clip For The
Speaker 1: command center show which comes Out on thursday on the,
Speaker 1: YouTube channel where their offense IS RUNNING gt so guard.
Speaker 1: Counter pull he's the. Left linebacker he's fitting on the
Speaker 1: guard that's pulling the kick. Him out they end up
Speaker 1: pulling the ball and throw a screen to the offensive
Speaker 1: or to the defensive right, excuse me on the very
Speaker 1: Far hash so he's like one of the farthest guys away.
Speaker 2: From thirty five.
Speaker 1: Yards, away yeah he's engaged in. A block so there's
Speaker 1: a corner or, a safety, a linebacker, defensive end a,
Speaker 1: defensive tack two d, defensive tackles and probably other safety
Speaker 1: that are close to the ball. From him and he
Speaker 1: tears out of there like a streak of lightning and
Speaker 1: is the first guy TO the i don't know how
Speaker 1: HE got i don't know how he got there that
Speaker 1: fast and tries to punch the. Ball out he had
Speaker 1: three first he had three forced fumbles or two forced
Speaker 1: fumbles and two interceptions something. Like that great ball production
Speaker 1: gets the.
Speaker 3: Ball out, so yeah you really got to check out
Speaker 3: the Breakdown On command center because it's something.
Speaker 2: TO see i think when we were.
Speaker 3: Watching it when The show fred even goes where did he?
Speaker 3: Come from you are not. Expecting it it's like like
Speaker 3: the flash out of the side of the frame comes out.
Speaker 2: Of, NOWHERE yeah i don't know how he. DID it
Speaker 2: i want to see the all twenty.
Speaker 1: Ten and so that's that's the athlete, you're, Seeing right,
Speaker 1: and again he ran the fastest forty for a linebacker at,
Speaker 1: the combine so four. Four seven and think, about This
Speaker 1: Like jeremy chin was like a four. Four five, you
Speaker 1: know he had the fastest three cone for a linebacker on.
Speaker 1: The combine it was like six nine six, nine five so. Sub,
Speaker 1: seven again that's like a lead pass rusher, three cone
Speaker 1: like he just and it all tracks with what he
Speaker 1: does on. The field that all tracks with what he
Speaker 1: is on. THE field i think the thing is that
Speaker 1: he's a converted. Wide receiver so even though, he's physical
Speaker 1: like taking, on blocks he uses his. Hands well he
Speaker 1: undercuts stuff like when he's playing. Defensive end you can
Speaker 1: tell he's a problem for offensive lineman when he has.
Speaker 1: To tackle it's a little bit hit. Or miss it's
Speaker 1: a little bit. Or miss and so, You know craig's
Speaker 1: still work on.
Speaker 2: His, form yes.
Speaker 1: That's actually right in short. Of it and if there's
Speaker 1: a place to work on. Your form It's With, Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner With, bobby wagner it's With dan Quinn Ye Ken.
Speaker 1: Norton junior like all those dudes know how, to tackle
Speaker 1: and they're going to get. Him right and, You Know
Speaker 1: Ken nortan junior coached him our linebacker coach here coached HIM,
Speaker 1: at ucla so he knows him. Really well he knows
Speaker 1: what that. Kid's about and, you know just kind of a.
Speaker 1: Cool story like apparently ten picks before they, Selected him
Speaker 1: caine Texted coach norton and, was like come get me on,
Speaker 1: the pick and here, He is AND so i love it. The,
Speaker 1: Connection again he's got to work on, his tackling got
Speaker 1: to get a little bit more physical as a as
Speaker 1: a space. Tackling player but and he's he's in his
Speaker 1: first time is going to be. ON teams i FEEL
Speaker 1: like i had TO say i hype him up all.
Speaker 1: This way his first time is going to be. On
Speaker 1: teams he's going to be excellent in. That role but,
Speaker 1: holy cow man does he do a great Job of
Speaker 1: like his ceiling is.
Speaker 3: Incredibly, high yeah he just needs to become best Friends
Speaker 3: With Bobby. Bobby wagner he carry's luggage around, He, needs
Speaker 3: oh would you like?
Speaker 1: Some?
Speaker 3: Chipotle, right like whatever, you, Need like i'll run and
Speaker 3: get it. For you Just Shadow bobby wagner and get
Speaker 3: that form that technique because the onet to, is, there
Speaker 3: right the, desires there the grit, is there the athleticism.
Speaker 2: Is there he was.
Speaker 3: The all he was part of the, All Ten all,
Speaker 3: Big ten, sorry defense when thirteen kid knows how to.
Speaker 3: Play defense he had seventy two tackles. Last year eleven
Speaker 3: of them were for. A loss he had one point.
Speaker 3: Five sacks but here's here's where it. Gets fun on three,
Speaker 3: forrest fumbles one, fumble recovery four, pass breakup so he's
Speaker 3: easily could have.
Speaker 2: Been INTERCEPTIONS and i think.
Speaker 1: He had two interceptions for return. For, touchdown yes so
Speaker 1: what do we always?
Speaker 3: Hear, here yeah ball, is, Life right protect the ball,
Speaker 3: on offense go get the ball. On defense we got
Speaker 3: a guy here that just seems having that for going after.
Speaker 3: That ball so that adds what they want. To hear
Speaker 3: and then the other thing that we saw a lot
Speaker 3: of last year that we get with him. This year, team,
Speaker 3: Captain right it's that type. Of mentality he was twenty
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen CAPTAIN. For ucla so you're bringing in a
Speaker 3: guy that, Loves.
Speaker 1: Football yeah loves ball, and leadership leadership yet love, and
Speaker 1: again who knows what he's going, to be but the
Speaker 1: ceiling is. SKY high i think the floor is. VERY
Speaker 1: high i think he could be a specially seams contributor.
Speaker 1: Right away but him in Like that jeremy chin roll
Speaker 1: like where he's kind of just like that kind of
Speaker 1: moving all over the defense is going to be.
Speaker 3: Really, interesting yeah let me just bring that up real,
Speaker 3: quick too because he is kind of a tweeter right
Speaker 3: when his like is gonna be safety is you're gonna
Speaker 3: be kind of a linebacker and.
Speaker 2: A little bit of it like?
Speaker 3: Who, Cares right because we're getting to that point NOW
Speaker 3: where nfl offenses are running these guys that they can
Speaker 3: line up as anything. Your debos you don't know if
Speaker 3: they're coming out of the backfield catching, the ball like
Speaker 3: you're getting tight ends that are built different than they used.
Speaker 3: To be they can they break out for wide receivers
Speaker 3: then come in a block like. You're getting your offenses
Speaker 3: are trying to Have A swiss army knife on there
Speaker 3: where it's hard for the defense to match up, to
Speaker 3: them and they're trying to move them and put them
Speaker 3: in positions where the defense gets all confused because there's.
Speaker 3: A mismatch you put a Guy like kane, out there
Speaker 3: and there's, your, answer right, he, Is like i'll. Shadow,
Speaker 3: whoever right it doesn't matter if this tight end is
Speaker 3: going to run a rout or he's going to stand
Speaker 3: in block or he's going. TO run i can, handle, It,
Speaker 3: right like that's. My answer i'm kind Of a swiss
Speaker 3: army knife.
Speaker 1: And defense and it's weird because now they've got a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys, like that, you know They've got they've got,
Speaker 1: You Know, Tyler owens They've Got, Dominice campton They've Got,
Speaker 1: ben nickel who WAS a udfa last year who's like,
Speaker 1: this big long safety. Type guy They've, got kin and
Speaker 1: They've got harris who they brought In From new orleans and. Free,
Speaker 1: agency like they've just got a bunch of dudes who could.
Speaker 1: Do that and it's flexible in.
Speaker 3: The field you don't have to worry about substituting in, that, Way, right,
Speaker 3: like oh here comes, a package we got a substitute.
Speaker 2: Real, quick no you got guys that can handle.
Speaker 1: Any, Situation yeah so it'll be interesting. TO see i
Speaker 1: really can't wait to watch him when he gets on the.
Speaker 1: Grass here how they like what his role is, because
Speaker 1: AGAIN like, i said he played a little bit of,
Speaker 1: edge rusher played, middle linebacker played, will linebacker. Played star
Speaker 1: so where's his best. Best usage i'm really curious where
Speaker 1: he Finds us forever home.
Speaker 3: And our last pick for us in the twenty TWENTY
Speaker 3: Five nfl draft was ONE that i, didn't watch to,
Speaker 3: be honest really didn't. WATCH him i didn't watch. Him
Speaker 3: before you want to talk About.
Speaker 1: H Yeah Jacorey, crosskey merritt running Back from arizona really
Speaker 1: probably better known for his Time In.
Speaker 2: New mexico he played only one Game, for arizona.
Speaker 1: And, so interesting interesting. To watch so obviously watched the
Speaker 1: one Game. From arizona and you see a guy who
Speaker 1: it's hard to, Articulate this i'm gonna try my best to.
Speaker 1: Do it who just gets how to play your running,
Speaker 1: Back right so like there's sometimes you watch running Back
Speaker 1: and i'm gonna run. To darkness i'm running in to
Speaker 1: the back of the. Offensive line unless the hole is,
Speaker 1: Right there i'm not going to make. THE cut i
Speaker 1: lose some creativity at the second level and he just. Gets.
Speaker 1: It man his ability to press to the front side
Speaker 1: kind of snake it back against, the grain find the whole.
Speaker 1: Push vertical he's got great moves, in space not like
Speaker 1: going a jitterbuggy, to death but like kind of a one.
Speaker 1: Cut slash he's strong enough to. Break tackles and again
Speaker 1: played one Game, in arizona but rush for over one
Speaker 1: hundred yards in. That game he WAS The MVP offensive
Speaker 1: mvp Of The. Shrine bowl he had the best deceleration
Speaker 1: metrics from the LIKE the gps and the pads At The.
Speaker 1: Shrine bowl and then he was an over a thousand
Speaker 1: yard Rusher At new mexico and had a lot of.
Speaker 1: Explosive runs so, TO me, i know he's maybe not
Speaker 1: not everybody watched, him obviously but he has this tremendous.
Speaker 1: Skill set he ran a one to five to, oh
Speaker 1: ten which is like, Insanely fast like that's what, you know,
Speaker 1: Crazy burst That's What jalen, lane rang you KNOW what?
Speaker 1: I mean like. The burst he's got a forty inch
Speaker 1: vertical for a guy who's over two, hundred pounds two
Speaker 1: hundred and almost two hundred and, Ten pounds like, it's
Speaker 1: crazy and his running style is so it's he's such a.
Speaker 1: Good runner he's such a. Good run he's got to
Speaker 1: work on his protection a, little BIT but i just
Speaker 1: think about him getting touches and he has the ability
Speaker 1: to maximize. Dirty runs and so even though he's a seventh,
Speaker 1: round pick he does feel like a guy because he's
Speaker 1: so skilled at running. The football, his vision, his burst
Speaker 1: his explosiveness through the whole seems like he's like kind
Speaker 1: of a dark horse handed it to make the team
Speaker 1: and play.
Speaker 3: Some, minutes yeah in twenty, twenty four like we, were
Speaker 3: saying only one Game, With arizona there's wasn't.
Speaker 2: An injury. That's why that's not why you.
Speaker 3: Didn't play THERE'S some NC double a like eligibility STUFF
Speaker 3: that i don't know all, the details but it wasn't
Speaker 3: like he.
Speaker 2: Was injured he's not the kind.
Speaker 1: Of messed them up too because he he, was eligible
Speaker 1: and that was the problem is he apparently. Was eligible
Speaker 1: they kind of made. A misruling too bad, for him.
Speaker 3: But great, FOR us. I guess but so he only played.
Speaker 3: One game that one game was against this former Team In. New,
Speaker 3: mexico yeah thirteen carries one hundred and six yards and.
Speaker 3: A touchdown that's eight point two yards. Per carry pretty
Speaker 3: darn good in. His, debut again you said he was
Speaker 3: At The shrine bowl one game in the last year
Speaker 3: and he comes out and, He's like i'm the best,
Speaker 3: player here which has been.
Speaker 1: It's crazy to, think about like how hard that? Would.
Speaker 3: Be, Yeah absolutely but The reason i'm bringing that up
Speaker 3: IS because i wanted to talk about the mentality of,
Speaker 3: this Kid, right like these are things that we are
Speaker 3: not privy to and we don't get to talk about
Speaker 3: until this time of. The year but how much you
Speaker 3: bet in an interview process, with him or when our
Speaker 3: scouts talked to, his friends, family members coaches that, they
Speaker 3: went this guy has been sitting on, the sidelines itching
Speaker 3: to get. Out there it's been eating. Them up but,
Speaker 3: guess what he. Loves it he, stays ready, he's working
Speaker 3: he's getting better even though he's not touching.
Speaker 2: The field he. Loves football and what does that sound like?
Speaker 1: To you, COMMANDER man a commander right, like fully a
Speaker 1: command like ready. To Go so i've been, hurt before
Speaker 1: missed a lot. Of time it is incredibly incredibly hard to,
Speaker 1: stay motivated and so for him to play the first
Speaker 1: game and then not play again for the rest of
Speaker 1: the year and then come out In An all star
Speaker 1: game and.
Speaker 2: DO that, I mean i think you also Are The
Speaker 2: all star.
Speaker 1: Could we could give all sorts, of stats but that
Speaker 1: to me speaks volumes about how this kid. Is wired
Speaker 1: and when you go Watch The new, mexico tape like
Speaker 1: he's a, special runner he's a. TALENTED runner i.
Speaker 2: Feel like this guy.
Speaker 3: Probably IS if i had graded him just on twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three and watched, IT previously i probably would have
Speaker 3: had him in the third or.
Speaker 1: Fourth round that's what it. Feels, like yeah that's what it.
Speaker 3: Looks like, but yeah so twenty twenty Three In, new
Speaker 3: mexico when he did play, twelve games he played there
Speaker 3: over one. Thousand yards this was. What's insane that. Stands out.
Speaker 3: Seventeen touchdowns that's a nuts number for. Twelve games, so
Speaker 3: yeah you're getting an athletic playmaker who is, a grinder
Speaker 3: who's fault had the fight for where he. Is here
Speaker 3: so he's got that mentality won in. The room, and
Speaker 3: yeah like the, seventh round you're not saying that they're
Speaker 3: going to make the, team necessarily but you feel like
Speaker 3: he's got a good.
Speaker 1: Shot and all the last, four picks, you Know, So Tremos,
Speaker 1: Jalen Lane, cane maderno And Uh Tory krosskey merritt all
Speaker 1: had some big adversities in. Their career, so like, You
Speaker 1: know tremos Transferred From Middle tennessee State to, Tennessee Right
Speaker 1: Uh Jalen, uh, No, SORRY trey I said tremos Or
Speaker 1: so tremos he Went To Raging, cajun alabama old, Mess Right,
Speaker 1: Jaylen Lane Middle tennessee State To. Virginia tech so like
Speaker 1: guys that had to work and fight to get where.
Speaker 1: They're At kane maderno had a, position, Switch right like
Speaker 1: what are you? Talking about like he. Switched positions he's
Speaker 1: a linebacker now he's becomes, team captain like was a.
Speaker 2: Wide, receiver, yeah big, big.
Speaker 1: Switch unbelievable and then the merits adversity to go from
Speaker 1: a small school try to move up AND before i
Speaker 1: think he was out of School Before. New, mexico also,
Speaker 1: so guy they looking, at that there's four dudes right
Speaker 1: there that, love football that want to be. The best
Speaker 1: AND that's i think what's cool, About, This right.
Speaker 3: They're probably, self motivators are probably. SELF starters, i mean
Speaker 3: look Back. At jaden it's one of the reasons They
Speaker 3: love jayda like the adversity he had to GET to
Speaker 3: lsu two Be the, heisman, Winner right like that was
Speaker 3: part of what they loved, about him was, the mentality
Speaker 3: how he matured, through it and that they know that
Speaker 3: he's coming in with a commander, tag, one right they talk.
Speaker 3: About it and then every time we do these drafts
Speaker 3: now the last, two YEARS and i look at these
Speaker 3: LISTS and i hear, Their stories, i'm, LIKE man I
Speaker 3: wish i had known all this with reactively because all
Speaker 3: of this makes so, much, sense right it just makes sense.
Speaker 1: For HERE and i think the one criticism of the
Speaker 1: draft is that it's only got. Five picks, but like
Speaker 1: if you look at who their fifth round, pick Was
Speaker 1: it's Steve, bo. Samuel right if you look at who, they.
Speaker 2: Are because that's what you're, trading, Away right and then you.
Speaker 1: Look at, You Know marshall lattimore with your, third, Pick Right,
Speaker 1: LARAMY tunsaw i think, next, year. Yeah whatever it is
Speaker 1: so like when you add when you add those names,
Speaker 1: into this, you're, like oh this is like, super sick
Speaker 1: you KNOW what, I mean we've got an offensive playmaker the.
Speaker 2: Talent upgrade look at the town defensive.
Speaker 1: Player we can. Build about we've got a Franchise left
Speaker 1: like that's crazy to say franchise. Left tackle and it's
Speaker 1: all because Of How adam peters allocated. Draft, capital really
Speaker 1: like it's think about. Draft cattle capital is a way
Speaker 1: to acquire. Good players and he, traded some he. Drafted
Speaker 1: some and when you make when you put the class together,
Speaker 1: like that with those names, in there, you're Like Dang
Speaker 1: josh Connolly And larry tenseil, pretty, Wild Right jaal Lane And,
Speaker 1: Deebo samuel it's like it's kind. Of unbelievable And so
Speaker 1: Tramos And, Marshall latimore like it's it's crazy to think
Speaker 1: about how much more talented this draft class made this
Speaker 1: team if you include those other draft picks that were
Speaker 1: used in.
Speaker 2: Free, agency yeah so we're gonna have one more podcast.
Speaker 3: Next week we'll touch on the ud fas that are
Speaker 3: a year in, the building because there are a lot
Speaker 3: of good players that went undrafted are going to be
Speaker 3: here that are going. To contribute we had some of
Speaker 3: them last year when this team undrafted. And contribute we
Speaker 3: got a guy sitting right here, with us undrafted contributed
Speaker 3: for ten years IN.
Speaker 2: The nfl, Pretty, Good, lillian yeah.
Speaker 1: Pretty good and, you know THE more i do this,
Speaker 1: draft stuff THE more i realized like HOW lucky i
Speaker 1: was to. Do that, you know like you got to
Speaker 1: have got to be a little, bit lucky little, bit
Speaker 1: good a little, bit talented and it all kind. Of
Speaker 1: HAPPEN and i hope that these guys we talk about on,
Speaker 1: next week some of them are. Super talented so can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk about those GUYS because i have a
Speaker 1: special place in my heart for. That group but as of,
Speaker 1: right now that's going to do it for. Today's show
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