1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realists, we are returning 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: from a series of strange adventures, and we thought what 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: better way to get back into the studio doing one 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: of our favorite things, our weekly strange news segment. Now, 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: if you haven't caught the news before, if you don't 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: see us on social media where we're at Conspiracy See 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: Stuff or a Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram, you may 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: have missed the big, big announcement, which is that, through 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: a bizarre series of circumstances, Matt, Noel, me Uh and 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: the team made an actual facts book. We have a 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: real life book. It's coming out in October. We're probably 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: gonna be on the road even more for that. We 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: can't wait for you to check it out. Even if 22 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: you don't consider yourself necessarily a person who like digs 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: reading about a bunch of weird stuff, you're gonna love 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: the artwork. Even just the artwork alone, this is great. 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: Not only that, I mean it's like a great coffee 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: table book. You can pick it up and leaf through 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: it and you're gonna learn something. Even to spending like 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen minutes with the chapter. It's divided up 29 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: into kind of digestible little nuggets about lots of stuff 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: we've talked about on the show, but kind of a 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: deeper dive and and lots of fun little Easter eggs 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: and yeah, I can't second been enough on the art. 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: It really is a full color, almost graphic novel style 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: piece of work. Very very proud and excited to see 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: this thing come out in the world from our buddy 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: Nick Turbo Benson. Thanks for having low standards and friends. Nick. Yes, 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: so if you have the means and interest to support 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: the show, if you feel like it, that's a great 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: way to do it. We would, we would really really 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Pre Orders are important, so thank you, thank you, 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: Thank you in advance. Just be careful of the jokers 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: out of the UK that published a book with the 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: title of our show. Don't order that book. Order the 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: one called stuff. They don't want you to know. It's 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: got a UFO and the Capitol Building. You'll see it. 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: It's the it's the best, better book actually. So with that, 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: with that house keeping this side again, we we can't 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: thank everyone enough for the opportunity. A lot of hard 49 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: work I went into this. Like Matt said, Uh, the 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: pre order aspect of this is very important, far more 51 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: important than I think any of us realized going into this, 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: this Czar escapade. But the show continues, and we are 53 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: coming to you today with some stories from around the 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: world and some that you may have heard of, uh, 55 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: some that you probably haven't. As a matter of fact, 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: I would personally be surprised if anybody in the audience 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: has heard of all three of the stories. For this 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: week segment, we're going to South Korea. We're also going 59 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: to go um to the edges of science and in 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: a way to the ancient past. But before we do that, 61 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: like a lot of people amid the pandemic, I think 62 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: it's safe to say we've all found ourselves struggling for 63 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: energy on on a personal level. We also know that 64 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: energy plays a huge part in world trade and world conflicts. 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: You need look no more further than the um the 66 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: concerns about Russia and their role in supplying energy to 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Western Europe. But Matt, you found something that says the 68 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: game be changing. The energy struggle, the struggle for clean energy, 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: reliable energy, consistent energy. It may soon take a very 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: unexpected turn. What's going on here? Well, hey, do you 71 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: like pie in the sky ideas? I do. I love 72 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Ye, I only eat pie at 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: the highest possible elevation. Perfect. Well, if you like that, 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: and you also love startups and you love uh, you know, 75 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: taking a big gamble with a huge potential benefit if 76 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: you win. Uh, you're gonna love this story. As you said, Ben, 77 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: humanity needs to find clean energy sources, you know, to 78 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: help ourselves, save ourselves. And this is one potential solution. Uh, 79 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: this story we're gonna talk about today. There's a company 80 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: called quaz q U A I S E. And they 81 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: are it's a group of people that came out of 82 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, better known as M I T. 83 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if if you're like me, but growing 84 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: up M I T was like the big school man. 85 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: If you went to m I T you were the 86 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: smartest person ever. It was just kind of the thing 87 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: that the saying at least, and these very very smart 88 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: people have gathered together a bunch of other resources, mostly 89 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: smart people and people who want to take this bet 90 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: we're referring to. Right, They're like, we've got we've got 91 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: several million dollars and we want to put it into 92 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: this concept in hopes that it comes true, it comes 93 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: to life. Here's what Quays wants to do. They want 94 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: to drill a hole deeper into the earth than humans 95 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: have ever dug before. You may have heard on this 96 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: show or somewhere else, you may have heard of this 97 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: thing called the super deep bore hole in Russia. The 98 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: cola is super deep. But yeah, yes, they they call 99 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: a super deep borehole. I just it's the super deep. 100 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: It's a giant hole that was dug in Russia seven 101 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: point five miles into the ground. That is a very 102 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 1: very long way into the ground. Well, the sky Pie 103 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: folks over at Quaiz want to go twelve miles deep 104 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: into the ground. Not they delved too deep, right, So 105 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: what's what's before we go to like, I think the 106 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: big headline here, which is amazing if it works. I agree, 107 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: it's it's going from it's a pie in the sky 108 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: idea about pie energy. Yeah. But so the Cola super 109 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: deep borehole. We actually we kicked around the idea of 110 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: doing an episode on this number of years ago, partially 111 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: because many locals are convinced that they can hear this 112 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: screams of something at the bottom of the hole. So 113 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: it's it's just it's such a fascinating strange endeavor. Um. 114 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: They're not looking for ghosts though, as you said in 115 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: this ways is looking for uh, for geothermal energy, which 116 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: is kind of already a thing right like Greenland, Iceland. 117 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: It is. Yes, geothermal energy is a thing, and there's 118 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: a lot of research and effort and money being put 119 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: into finding ways to capture the heat energy that is 120 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: emanating from deeper within the earth than we can normally access. 121 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: And a lot of the geothermal plants that pop up 122 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: are places where the layer, the like top layer of 123 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: the earth there that needs to be drilled into, is 124 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: a little bit thinner, so it's just a little more accessible. 125 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: The pine the sky part about Quays is that you 126 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: could put one of these plants that drills up to 127 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: twelve miles into the earth pretty much j anywhere you 128 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: because of the technology it's all about this. It's called 129 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: millimeter wave drilling. It's a different way to get through 130 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: some of the really tough rock that exists down beneath 131 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: all of our feet right now. It's it's super fascinating stuff. 132 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: I've seen it referred to as fusion technology or like 133 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: a type of fusion technology. And several of the several 134 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: of the reporting that's coming out of Vice, it's coming 135 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: out of the I Tripoliefe spectrum. That's a really interesting 136 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: place spectrum dot I E E E dot org. Yes, yes, 137 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: as well as I think Axios. Axios has a great 138 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: write up about this company and how they've generated a 139 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: lot of startup capital. You can read all that stuff, 140 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: but let's just go to the Vice article to start here. 141 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: It was posted on March nine. It was written by 142 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: Becky Ferreira. Title is company plans to dig world's deepest 143 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: hole to unleash boundless energy, and it just goes into 144 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: some of these details here about they've raised I think 145 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: a total of sixty three million since it was launched, 146 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: pretty much during the pandemic in and man, they've got 147 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: some really slick videos, you guys, you can totally see 148 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: how the company raised money. But you know, no matter 149 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: how slick they are, no matter how blue sky this 150 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: idea feels, and no matter how much money is being 151 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: injected into it, at the core, uh, this is a 152 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: This is a really promising concept because you really could 153 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: put it anywhere. You're imagine you're using the heat of 154 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the of the Earth itself, and it doesn't take a 155 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: giant footprint. The way if you're going to build right 156 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: now and in this this technology is changing, but right now, 157 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: if you wanted to put a huge amount of solar 158 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: panels out somewhere, maybe in the desert, you need so 159 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: it's just a ton of land in order to get 160 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: enough energy from the sun through the solar panels that 161 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: exist today, in order to have a meaningful amount of 162 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: energy to use right like to power a city with 163 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: these things, the footprint is much much smaller. They're building 164 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: them on top of existing like fossil fuel plants, like 165 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: coal plants and things like that, So they're using some 166 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: of the infrastructure that already exists in the footprint. That 167 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: kind of already exists, and then they want to like 168 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: buy that land by those plants and then build their 169 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: plant on top of it or in the existing structure. 170 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: It's funny. It makes me think of back when I 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: owned a house in Athens, we had something called geo 172 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: thermal hvac UM, which I've never heard of before, but 173 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: it apparently is an HVAC system that uses the Earth's 174 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: energy to power itself and it creates this like ground 175 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: loop um and collects energy from the ground, uh and 176 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: release collects and releases energy from the ground. So it 177 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: seems like this is like a more advanced version of 178 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: that to a degree. I mean. The great thing is, 179 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: once you've got that whole drilled in, you essentially have 180 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: just a pipeline from the heat that's coming out of 181 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: that area. They're saying that it will fuel that plant 182 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: for about a century, you know, give or take several years. 183 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, that doesn't seem like a long time, right 184 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: if you think how long you know, uh, coal fired 185 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: power plant could potentially run. I mean, it's as long 186 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: as you've got cold to run the plant, right, And 187 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: in this case, they're saying it's a hundred years. I 188 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: don't know. The science behind why it would only be 189 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: a hundred year length of time that you could make 190 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: use of it. I just I don't know yet, but 191 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: could be pretty incredible if you at least jump started 192 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: this more clean energy movement with this technology, with this 193 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: type of energy, and then you can move on if 194 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: you discover something even better. I have a couple of 195 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: questions on this one, Matt, because I'm I'm fascinated by 196 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: the future of energy, and there are always a lot 197 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: of caveats if we're exploring this reasonably. And and of 198 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: course there are a ton of conspiracies, because let's be honest, 199 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: the energy into stry is what the kids would call 200 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: corrupt af It's phenomenal. It's phenomenal the level of corruption 201 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: and conspiracy involved there. But with this there are there 202 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: are a few things. So first, it might surprise a 203 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: lot of us to learn that this company, Equays is 204 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: estimating it will take a few months, not years, to 205 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: make these holes. So that deals a little optimistic with me, 206 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: just but you know, I'd be glad if that did 207 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: turn out to be the case when the drills hit 208 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: the rock. But secondly, could earthquakes disrupt these energy sources 209 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: or these uh these operations rather like if you built it. 210 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: I know they're they're looking for very specific areas to 211 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: build them that meet a number of criteria. But if 212 00:12:53,080 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: they were, for example, rocked by uh fairly high I 213 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: ordered magnitude earthquake, what would happen? Then? One of the 214 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: questions that people have with any new energy sources what 215 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: could go wrong? And could it be dangerous? So just 216 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: a level set here, is there ever any kind of 217 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: what's the best way to put it? Do they have 218 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: any fail safes, you know, anything to prevent like a 219 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: geo thermal ure nobyl or is a geothermal chernobyl even possible? Right? 220 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I don't think it's the 221 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: same thing. I know they use these things called gyrotrons 222 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: as part of their drilling tech, and they do involve 223 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: vacuum tubes and plasma and it's again referred to as 224 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: a type of fusion tech. I don't. I don't know 225 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: if there's a danger for like leakud like leaky leakud. 226 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: I understand that question, Ben for sure. The question that 227 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: I have is is it powerful enough that it could 228 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: do something similar to what fracking does, where it causes 229 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,359 Speaker 1: imbalances in you know, the Earth's crust that could potentially 230 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: cause rifts or you know, seismic events. I don't know, 231 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't know the science. It doesn't seem like it 232 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: would because you're not injecting anything to break up rocks. 233 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: That's not the goal here. You're just harnessing what's already there. 234 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: The goal is to get deep enough to access the 235 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: lower parts where the heat exists. And yeah, like this 236 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: is something that you see in fission nuclear reactors. Ultimately 237 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: they end up being kind of steam powered if you 238 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: think about it. Because what's happening is liquid is hitting 239 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: these very high temperature areas that turns it into a 240 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: different state of matter. And this this is where Quays 241 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: is hoping to. This is what they mean when they 242 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: say clean energy. They're pumping liquid water down into the 243 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: down into the depths, the bowl rog levels of the Earth, 244 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: and when it hits this rock that's around five hundred 245 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: degrees celsius, the liquid water turns into something that is 246 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: like vapor times a million. It's a vapor like super 247 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: critical state. So that's that's another concern to water is 248 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: becoming an increasingly precious resource. So sure, and you're going 249 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: to read in a couple of places if you just 250 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: search around kind of I guess joking thing that we're 251 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: talking about, what's gonna happen? What are we gonna unlock 252 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: when we get that deep into the earth? Are we 253 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: talking you know, ancient ones, Lulu and all that stuff. 254 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. I'm honestly not worried about 255 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: really any of the consequences here. I'm just worried that 256 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: the drill isn't gonna work exactly the way they want to. 257 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: Because this technology has been tested for quite a while. 258 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: There was an I guess it was dark or ARPA. 259 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: It was the Department of energyes ARPA program that gave 260 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: the initial grant to one of the companies that's working 261 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: directly with Quays, which is cool. I just want to 262 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: I want to see this thing happen. They've got a 263 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: timeline on their website that's saying by they're hoping for 264 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: the first fossil fuel powered plant to be repowered, like 265 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: to be re engineered with the geo thermal system, the 266 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: steam system and uh that would be cool. And they're 267 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: looking at I think when they could have a good 268 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: number of these things up and running across the globe. 269 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: This could become practical, that's the thing. They're the proof 270 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: of concept is there. The technology is pretty well understood, 271 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: and I believe there's um there's a paper out there 272 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: somewhere on millimeter waves specifically how it's uh. It looks 273 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: like it can be deployed in a couple of different ways, 274 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: both of which have the end result of supply and power. 275 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: But can you imagine a world where humanity is not 276 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: necessarily beholden to the old forms of supplying energy. It 277 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: could be really cool. It's just that with this sort 278 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: of stuff, we don't know what the long tail consequences 279 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: might be until it's actually up and running, and we'll see, 280 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: we'll see if those Lovecraft jokes are indeed just jokes. 281 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: But I'm excited. I share your enthusiasm. I'm excited about this, 282 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: and I would love to I would love to visit 283 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: and see what they find there. I guess they're also 284 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: the usual concerns about um, maybe damaging historical artifacts or 285 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: maybe you know, because if there's a horror movie, of 286 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: course it takes place on a graveyard of some sort, right, 287 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: And yeah, but jokes aside, this. I mean, this is 288 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: pretty exciting. Hopefully. I'm just so used to things going 289 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: terribly wrong, you know what I mean? I know, I 290 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: know I was looking for something today specifically they had 291 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: a bit of a potential positive outcome. Uh. There's one 292 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: other thing that's just a related story. If you want 293 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: to look up. If you have any interest with this, 294 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: look up science alert and here's the title. Geologists have 295 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: closely analyzed two bizarre quote blobs detected deep inside Earth. 296 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: M It's not some monster, I don't think, unless it's 297 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: some kind of sentient thermo chemical material, but who knows. 298 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: Hopefully we won't drill into it being silly. All right, Well, hey, uh, 299 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: why don't we take a quick break here and we'll 300 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: come right back with some more strange news. And we 301 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: have returned. Our next adventure takes us to Australia and 302 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: the related region of Australia. Not you remember the Tasmanian 303 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: Devil of cartoon fame, right of course? Yes, yes, just 304 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: so so. The Tasmanian Devil is spoiler. It doesn't look 305 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: exactly like the cartoon, but I don't think that bothered 306 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: a lot of non Australian kids watching it. You know 307 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: kids from that part of the world, but it brings 308 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: up an interesting, I would say fascinating thing. Is something 309 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: It's been on my mind for a little while now 310 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: thanks to our buddy Todd Sargentsen who hangs out with 311 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: us UH at times at the local UH Todd d 312 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: C and I hope you're listening to show today. Todd 313 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: d C is a avid, avid crypto zoology enthusiasts, and 314 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: a lot of the conversations we have had over the 315 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: years involved it's just batting, just back and forth kind 316 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: of with the with the possibilities of theories, walking through them, 317 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: et cetera. And Todd recently told me or hip to 318 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: me to an ongoing project that wasn't aware of, which 319 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: is the for the Tasmanian tiger. UH. This is pretty exciting. 320 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: I know I've been chatting off air with you guys 321 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: a lot about this, but the Tasmanian Tiger in the 322 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: world of cryptozoology is actually one of the more plausible 323 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: cryptids UH. And we're so interested in this that we're 324 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: actually doing a full week on the Tasmanian Tiger and 325 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: or the thigh last scene and related related concepts or 326 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: possible weird science and conspiracies. But here's the thing, and 327 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: you can hear this stuff this Wednesday and Friday, but 328 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: we wanted to introduce this concept before we got into 329 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: the full episodes. So there's a really cool plot development 330 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: here that's been going on for some time, but now 331 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: it may actually come to pass. A while back, a 332 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: bunch of very smart, savvy people said, hey, why are 333 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: we going to all this trouble of hunting down animals 334 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: at people that the majority of people assume are extinct 335 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: when we may soon have the technology to bring them 336 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: back Jurassic Park style. That's what people are hoping to 337 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: do with the Tasmanian tiger as we record this, and 338 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: there are a couple of reasons why it's not as 339 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: crazy of an idea as it might sound. It's not 340 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: like bringing back velociraptors. The last known live thiolacy was 341 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: captured in nineteen thirty in Tasmania, and this this thing, 342 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: like a lot of animals in those ecosystems, is marsupial. 343 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: It's a carnivorous marsupial. It was native to Australia as 344 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: well as New Guinea and Tasmania, and ever since that 345 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: last Dilasne was captured, people have been convinced there are 346 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: more out there. New Guinea is incredibly remote, more so 347 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: that it looks on the map there is a lot 348 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: of wilderness there. So it is we don't want to 349 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: spoil too much of the episode, but it's captivating people 350 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: because there is this tantalizing possibility that there may be 351 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: a relic population which has simply yet to be discovered 352 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: due to the remoteness of the environment in which it lives. 353 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: Pause for breath. This uh, I want to drive everybody's 354 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: attension though to the an excellent article in The Guardian 355 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: that just came out fairly recently by journalist Donna lou 356 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: And they're talking about something called d extinction. That's what 357 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: Jurassic Park is all about. They just never used the 358 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: phrase because I don't think really had a phrase like 359 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: this for a long time. You could take DNA from 360 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: something called a numb bat in U M B A T. 361 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: I know, right, sounds like for some reason it's like 362 00:22:53,040 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: a British insult, right you numb that so a numb bat? 363 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: You may be saying, the heck is that is it 364 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: a British insult? I didn't even know words had DNA. 365 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: They do sort of. It's called etymology. We love it. 366 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: I want to do an etymology series. That's not a 367 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: secret right to our bosses. But but the numbad itself 368 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: is an animal, and it's a weird, cute looking little guy. 369 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: Looks like DLC and animal crossing or a Pokemon game. 370 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: Turns out this this guy who is um a marsupial 371 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: that eats insects. It is close enough scientist or reckoning 372 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: to a Tasmanian tiger that it's d n A could 373 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: help recreate the thighilisten or bring it back from the 374 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: void from extinction. It's crazy idea. You've probably heard this 375 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: concept of d extinction. I'm sure you have in other areas, 376 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: such as the continuing push to use extant elephant DNA 377 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: to re create the mammoth, which would be cool. Um 378 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: it's also you know, bringing back extinct, unique animals while 379 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the world is collapsing is just classic 380 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: human you know what I mean. We like, it's not 381 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: a species, and it's great at timing, but you know, 382 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: very ambitious Verry Mgiver. We just need one giant facility 383 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: deep underground that has this set up ready to go, 384 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: but with human DNA, so we so we could be 385 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: de extinctive. Now let's let's just let it go. I 386 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: need that we've moved our time. It was a fad, 387 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But so humanity was a fad. 388 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: That's a good uh, a good bumper sticker and artisan. 389 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: So I think so and not one of my favorites. 390 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: To be clear. I mean, you know, everybody listening to 391 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: this show is cool, sure, but overall, you know, I 392 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: got some things to workshop. I got some notes. I'm 393 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: sure we all do, but more of a pug guy 394 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: myself that humanity guy. Yes, you know it's funny. Get 395 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: out of my head. I was saying that the friend 396 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: of ours on a on a group text just today. 397 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: I want to introduce everybody to the director of DNA 398 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: Zoo Australia, an associate professor at the University of Western 399 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: Australia named po Winder Car. So Car has some pretty 400 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: compelling math here uh and points out that thil A 401 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: scenes and these cute little numbbats actually have about commonality 402 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: in their DNA. And so the idea is that by 403 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: mapping the living numbats DNA, they can have a reference 404 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: to fill in the gaps for thigh la scene DNA, 405 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: so they're kind of using think of it like using 406 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: the blueprint of a similar building to build a old 407 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: building that was demolished, something that you only have pictures of. Right. 408 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: One of the reasons they can do this, or make 409 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: a really good go at it is because of how 410 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: recently this creature went extinct. Like this brings in all 411 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: the stuff we're talking about before, with the dangers of 412 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: gene editing, with the um the forefront bleeding edge science 413 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: of how to take a nucleus from the cell of 414 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: an extinct animal and put it into the egg of 415 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: a living relative, you know what I mean. It gets 416 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: into really really cool stuff, stuff that Jurassic Park actually 417 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: was sort of on base about, other than the fact 418 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: that dinosaurs probably did have feathers, but that would have 419 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: made them twice as terrifying that one. Yeah, agreed. In general, 420 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: there are these crow bird monsters in Elden Ring. You 421 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: know what, never mind, that's that's fixture for now. The 422 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: giant ones. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, 423 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: exactly exactly I do. With your elden Ring trauma, folks, 424 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear from you, So conspiracy die 425 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: Heart Radio dot com one three three st d w 426 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: y t K. Why are we introducing this? Yeah, it's 427 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: fascinating science. Um, but again, there are I think of 428 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: something called the Cobra effect, which we mentioned on another 429 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: show we mentioned here recently, of unintended consequences because when 430 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: an animal goes extinct, since nature seems to have its 431 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: own very specific ideas or tendencies about how an ecosystem works, 432 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: when an animal goes extinct, something else rises to fill 433 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: the role. That's why you see early humans totally mopping 434 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: the apex predators that pre existed them and then replacing 435 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: them as the apex predator. There, you know, a circle 436 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: of life. It's a brutal tune. But I'm wondering now, 437 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to explore later this week. 438 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what controversies, what unforeseen consequences society and humanity 439 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 1: could run into. And they bring something back from the 440 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: dead on a massive scale like this. This is not 441 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: just bringing back one person's pet thalasne It's not like 442 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: some billionaires thinking I was some It's like a Monty 443 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: Burns guy who has been alive since the nineties thirties, 444 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: is going I finally remember Thady has sparkle beans, my 445 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: pet Thlasy, and we just bringing him back that I 446 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: may learn to love again. They're talking about bringing an 447 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: entire you know, species back, and it's never happened before. 448 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: No one knows what the results will be, so please 449 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: tune in for that. We cannot wait. Do you take 450 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: in the meantime and while we're while we're working on this, 451 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: let us know if you think the dialacene is real 452 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: or if it's just sort of fun thought experiment. Can't 453 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. One three three sdd W 454 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: y t K Conspiracy die Heart Radio, dot Com. We're 455 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: gonna pause for I don't know why I did dot 456 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: com that way, We'll just keep it. We're gonna pause 457 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors. And then we are 458 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: traveling to South Korea. And we're back and as previously stated, 459 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: we are in fact traveling to South Korea. Uh, we're 460 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about artificial intelligence and South 461 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: Korean politics. Um. We've covered the idea of deep fakes 462 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: pretty extensively on this show, the pitfalls of it. It 463 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: really is something that really just kind of came into 464 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: the public consciousness maybe a couple of years ago with 465 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: some alarmingly realistic Internet videos. You know, I sound like 466 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: an old man Internet videos. There's that one, you know 467 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: with um I think it's Paul Rudd. He's on now, 468 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Maybe not Paul Rod. Paul Rudd is one of the 469 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: people that he becomes. It is, in fact Bill Hayter. 470 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. You can see what They're both very dashing 471 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: and funny young men. It's Bill Hayter on I believe 472 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: David Letterman telling a story about how he met Tom 473 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: Cruise on the set of Tropic Thunder, and as he's 474 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: telling the story, he's doing an impression of Tom Cruise 475 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: and then bam, like magic, his face just morphs into 476 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, and it's just it was jarring. I think 477 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: when we all saw that, it definitely felt like you 478 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: were experiencing some next level technological magic. And I always 479 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: forget who said it, Ben, but the idea of technology 480 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: at a certain level being indistinguishable from magic. Yeah, y no, 481 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: that makes sense. That sounds about right, and that's what 482 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: we're seeing. And of course that was a couple of 483 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: years ago and now deep figs have begun to be 484 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: used as you could imagine, you know, of course, so 485 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: what what is introduced as a silly Internet meme video 486 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: like for a laugh, um, has the potential to be 487 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: used in very dangerous ways to have you know, political 488 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: figures or public figures of any kind saying things they 489 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: did not actually say. Um. We know, this technology essentially 490 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: minds footage that's available publicly on the Internet to create 491 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: a profile. I'm not a computer scientists. That's essentially what 492 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: it does, create a profile of all possible iterations of 493 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: this person's face. Very similar to the deep dream technology 494 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: that was used to generate really weird psychedelic nightmare fuel 495 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: images by you know, taking a dog's face and then 496 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: interpolating it with all of these other images, um that 497 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: are related to it, and filling in these gaps and 498 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: then making this like essentially total acid trip kind of 499 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: psychedelic world. Um. Again, something that's used you know, for fun, 500 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: but it involves an insane amount of processing power. Uh, 501 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: it involves an insane amount of data mining, you know, 502 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: to get all of this information to fill in these gaps. Well, 503 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: now we're starting to see this used not as a 504 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: way of faking negative of things that a politician might 505 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: be saying. Um, you know we had that. Uh. I 506 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: think there was a Donald Trump sort of like you know, 507 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: deep fake p tape video that was making the rounds 508 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: for a while. Um. A lot of potential for um 509 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: ruining people's reputations with this technology, to the point where 510 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: I think we've even discussed like there needs to be 511 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: a chain of custody for this kind of footage to 512 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: even determine if what you're seeing is real in the 513 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: same way you can con you know, confirm transactions on 514 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: say something like blockchain. There needs to be some water 515 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: mark or some digital signature that allows you to confirm 516 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: that the footage you're seeing that could potentially cause a 517 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: panic if if published by the news, because we know 518 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: how quickly the news needs to move now in order 519 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: to keep up with the Internet. Um, it's sort of 520 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: created a gap in credibility, I think, because it's all 521 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: about who's first to market with a piece of information 522 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: or a inflammatory, you know, a bit of footage, something 523 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: that allows us to vet that footage so we can 524 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: know because the technology is just so good now, Um, well, 525 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: this is being I'm gonna use the word sploited, but 526 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: it's really just being utilized by a South Korean presidential 527 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: candidate UM, a gentleman by the name of Yun Sook 528 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: Yol who during his candidacy essentially utilized deep fake technology 529 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: to create an AI version of himself that's being lovingly 530 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: referred to as Ai Yune. Initially I read it and 531 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: I thought the guy's name was Al Yun. That is 532 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: not true. It's Ai Un. His name is actually Un 533 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: Sook youll, a conservative former top prosecutor UM there in 534 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: South Korea who used this technology to The excuse was 535 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: maybe not an excuse, but the justification for using it 536 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: was that he was campaigning during a pandemic UH and 537 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: could not get to the places he needed to in 538 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: the you know, uh more than a hundred quote constituencies. 539 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: This is what his team referred to them as. I'm 540 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: not quite sure how that translates to what we think 541 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: of I guess constituencies would just be like different regions, 542 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, where he would need to campaign and show face. Well, 543 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: that was not possible, UM, at least that's what they're saying. 544 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: So they created this deep fake version of Yun Sukule 545 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: that was completely sanctioned by his campaign and only allowed 546 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: to say things that were vetted UM and written by 547 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: his team. But the thing that's interesting is they're able 548 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: to target this in the same way that you know 549 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: nowadays you can target advertising to say, you know, if 550 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,959 Speaker 1: on podcasts, great example, if UM you know, let's say 551 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: you have advertisements for UM marijuana, they can target it 552 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: to places where it's legal or where it's about to 553 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: be legal. Or you could get really micro with targeting 554 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: and say have an ad running, you know, on a 555 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: podcast where the person that listens to it, they have 556 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: an i P that registers it, tells the ad server 557 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: where they are, and then they can then get served 558 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: an AD that's relevant to their like local area even 559 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: or you know, their region. That's somebody that lives completely 560 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: for part of the country of the world would not 561 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: have So they're using this. But not only are they 562 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: targeting these regions, they're targeting like age demographics where they 563 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: have a version of this deep fake yunsu kule that 564 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: is meant to reach young people UM for example, And 565 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: they do that in the metaverse or in you know 566 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: what is serving as the current version of the metaverse. 567 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: We know that South Korea is very very plugged in, 568 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: one of the most connected cultures in the world, and 569 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: this is what serves as the you know, current version 570 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: of the metaverse. I'm not exactly sure if this is 571 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: this is this seems to be a very South Korean 572 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: um based version of this, but there is a metaverse 573 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: situation where this AI can appear to folks that are 574 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: hanging out in this kind of virtual world. It looks 575 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of like animal crossing or something where it's a 576 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: you know, you can go in and listen to these talks. Um, 577 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: these campaign stops, let's call it, by this deep fake 578 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: virtual version of this candidate that's saying only approved things 579 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: that is targeted specifically to the demographic that's watching him. 580 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: Not only the things he's saying are targeted, but the 581 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: clothes that this fac simile of his avatars wearing is 582 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: meant to specifically appeal to the demographic that it is 583 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: speaking to. UM. And here's the thing, Uh, this sound's 584 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: kind of wacky, but all of the commentary around it, 585 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: and you know, man on the street kind of interviews 586 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: that I've heard shows that it's really really working that 587 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: that you know, folks appreciate the fact that someone that's 588 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: this high up in government is open to and not 589 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, completely freaked out by this type of technology. 590 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: So that one a lot of points for this candidate, 591 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: and uh, he won in fact, um, So the question 592 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: becomes what's next, right, Like this is a tool. And 593 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: they make it very clear I'm not I haven't seen 594 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: any of the videos exactly or you know, um, but 595 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: they have some kind of disclaimer saying that this is 596 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: not the actual candidate. This is an artificial intelligence generated 597 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: AI UM. So they don't want anyone to be confused 598 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: that they're actually looking at a real person. And that's 599 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: also the reason that they take it very seriously that 600 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: it only says the things that are specifically generated by 601 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: the campaign. But what happens next now that this candidate 602 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: is actually the president, who, by the way, holds some 603 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: very intense conservative views apparently, Yeah, I would love to 604 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: hear your take on this, been you're you're you're probably 605 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: following this more closely than I in terms of the election, 606 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: but you know, has said things to the effect of 607 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: like feminism has gone too far, um in a part 608 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: of the world where you know, women's rights are woefully underserved, 609 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: and and ignored um to a large degree, not to 610 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: mention that he's very pro like hundreds of hours work 611 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: week situation, Ben, we give it, give it to us 612 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: a little bit, the kind of quick and dirt about 613 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: what this guy's views kind of encompassed. Yeah, so the 614 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: this is interesting at least to me because it shows 615 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: us that stereotypes regarding conservative politicians not being tech savvy 616 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: are not entirely true or not entirely accurate. And I 617 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: love that you nailed how tech forward South Korea is 618 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: as a culture. It's amazing when you go there. If 619 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: you live in the US, you haven't seen real WiFi 620 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: until you've been South Korea, honestly, Um, But this president is, yes, 621 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: quite quite controversial, and a lot of views of the 622 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: president are things that might be common to some conservative 623 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: politicians here in the US or in the West. He 624 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: is currently the president elect, but he came up by 625 00:38:53,239 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: being a prosecutor, and often yeah, prosecutors, his views are 626 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: not uncommon maybe in the world of prosecutorial politics. His yea, 627 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: his election though, was was fascinating to me. I want 628 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: to answer that first question you asked a while back. 629 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: So what's next. I'll tell you what's next. I'll tell 630 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: you what's down the line. The perfect Manchurian candidate, always 631 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: on message, always programmable, can be at any location pretty quickly. 632 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: Imagine how much you're saving on transit by by air 633 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: Force one. You might not even need a real person 634 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: at some point. What about you know, uh, super President 635 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: V two point oh with the new DLC brought to 636 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: you by Samsung, vote for me victory Like it's you 637 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: can buy outfits for him. You can dress them up 638 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: however you want. You know, Yeah, a politician that can 639 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: finally do what every high level politician wants, be all 640 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: things to all people. We're on the way to that now. 641 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: Is what does that mean for the public, for the 642 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: grass on this elephant's battlefield? Well, uh, it means you'll 643 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: have to seriously consider some uncomfortable things. Can this sort 644 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: of thing be hacked? That's the first question, right, What 645 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: happens if you don't need a deep fake? What happens 646 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: if you're hologram president shows up to a U N summit, 647 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: for instance, and then all of a sudden says we 648 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: are nuclearizing We already you know, we're not going to start, 649 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: We're doing it now. Like that that's crazy. The all 650 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: these things I named are great sci fi or welcome Netflix. 651 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: But there again, I keep saying it recently, science fiction 652 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 1: is the good stuff. Is only fiction for a little while, 653 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: and we're in a we're what a time to be alive? Phase? No, Well, 654 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: and we already have like you know AI pop stars, 655 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, coming out of Asia for example, like Miku, 656 00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, which is a completely artificial intelligence derived creation. 657 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I would maybe not artificial intelligence, it's animated. 658 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean it is a graphical representation of a pop 659 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: star that is treated with the same deference as a 660 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: real pop star, and even the voice of this character, 661 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: that part is more or less AI generated. It's called 662 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: vocal Ooid technology, and it uses it generates um I 663 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: think it's the Yamaha company that's behind it, But it 664 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: generates singing using sort of swatches of voices, sort of 665 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: like a vocode er situation, but more realistic. And you 666 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: can actually get the software for vocal oid and like 667 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: make your own you know, uh songs and submit them. 668 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: But this is just the next logical step from that. 669 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: UM And you're right, I mean, the targeting level is 670 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: is absolutely you know, staggering in terms of like you're 671 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: right being everything to everybody, reaching people exactly where they are, 672 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: which is on the Internet for the most part. Um, 673 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: And what is the potential dark side of this? It 674 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: already feels like we're seeing a dark side, um, because 675 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: you know, the margins of victory for this candidate were 676 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: very very slim. Um. I have some these guys on 677 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: Internet today that I that I follow and like in 678 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: reference a lot, they referred to him as a meme candidate, 679 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: which I think is pretty accurate because the margins were 680 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: very very slim. I think it was like forty eight 681 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 1: point six percent of the vote went to this candidate, 682 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: and I think the perceived front runner just lost out 683 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: by a very small margin. So knowing that this person 684 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,919 Speaker 1: holds some pretty conservative views in terms of women's rights, 685 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: in terms of the work week, he's even said things 686 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: like he thinks that quote poor people should not have 687 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,240 Speaker 1: to have their food meet a minimum safety standard because 688 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: they need to be able to eat whatever kind of 689 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, for sustenance. Things like that. Uh, pretty radical sounding, 690 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 1: you know here here in the West. But um, it's 691 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. You know, I think we might be seeing 692 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: the eyes of a kind of an Ai regime and 693 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: not like a sky in that situation. But just it's 694 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: a whole another ball game. Now. He also thinks Fukushima 695 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: didn't happen. Yeah, that's wild. Um. I think we all 696 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: were there and pretty sure it did. But man, you've 697 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: been a little quiet on this one. And I know 698 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,919 Speaker 1: you've got feels about this. I can see your face 699 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: squirming a little bit. But what how does this hit you? Man? Yeah, 700 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: I do feel weird. I just think we're coming into 701 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: that era where you're not going to be able to 702 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: tell if you see an official post by anybody if 703 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 1: it's real or not. Any anyone with sufficient power or money, Uh, 704 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: they could be exploited by a third party. I you 705 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: just gotta be extremely skeptical. And I don't know what 706 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: we need now is the tech to detect if it's 707 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: in fact a deep fake or real. Something that just 708 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: scans you know, the pixels in a file or pixel 709 00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: data within a file of custody of the footage. You know, 710 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: the source footage has to be in some way lockdown 711 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: or like you know, meet some kind of like digital 712 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: signature to prove that this footage is real, like it 713 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: came from like an actual capture and not some sort 714 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: of weird composite. Well, you guys can do that. I 715 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go full super Villain. You know, It's 716 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: been a long time I've been making, Yeah, and it's 717 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: just like now the pieces are there, it's easier than ever. 718 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: Just like when um, a lot of people became prominent 719 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: independent filmmakers, when a V technology became more affordable and democratized, 720 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: that was wonderful. And now that super Villain technology is 721 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 1: becoming more democratized, you know, I think I'll just maybe 722 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: go inde super Villain. You guys down and we still 723 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: do this show. My schedule might get weird. Well let's 724 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: just try to slot us in if you can. Man, 725 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: I will say, you know this, like like like all 726 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: that stuff. You're absolutely right then, but I will say 727 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 1: that I think that the technology still requires an ungodly 728 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: amount of computer processing power to do correctly. So like 729 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: I think, you know, even the ones that we see 730 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: on the internet, you know, for a joke like the 731 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: Bill Hayter thing, that was somebody that was very ahead 732 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: of the curve, you know, using this very bleeding edge 733 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: technology and would require almost like a room full of 734 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: servers and you know, insane processing power to pull those 735 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: things off. Um. So it's not exactly something that everyone 736 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: can do just on their laptop using like I movie. 737 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: It's definitely some next level technology. But once you get 738 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: into things like cloud computing and crowdsourcing processing and all 739 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: of that stuff, I mean, it certainly could become more democratized. 740 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: And then you know, the badger is really out of 741 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: the bag. You know, a lot of those deep feakes 742 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: at this point are short clips precisely because of that 743 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: processing time. So what I'm hearing is we start with 744 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: the server heist, right, Uh, maybe get somebody won't squeal 745 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: to the law, like some uh some crazy bitcoin mining operation, 746 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: and then we start, uh, what's a good name for 747 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: supervillain network? Can Alien? No? I think we'll stown brand. 748 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: We've gotta go with Badger and just figure that out 749 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 1: as an acronym, right, like the badger, just the badger, 750 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: and they Badger is the name of the organization, like hydra, 751 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: like a cuddly hydra. Right. Since you mentioned crypto or 752 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: you know, crypto heists and all that are rather bitcoin mining, um, 753 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: this person also is apparently quite crypto friendly. Um, and 754 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: he believes it is believed that he will be a 755 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 1: kind of leader in the cryptocurrency sector and potentially move 756 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: that technology forward as more of a national you know, 757 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: standard of some kind. Um. He's also apparently raising the 758 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: threshold for paying capital gains taxes on bitcoin and other 759 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: cryptocurrencies from two thousand dollars to forty thousand dollars UM, 760 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: making him, according to this uh crypto economist website, one 761 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: of the most generous UM leaders in the world when 762 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: it comes to tax breaks for the cryptocur and see world. 763 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit about DPRK two. I know 764 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily related, but a president who is pro 765 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: militarization in this regard um could make some aggressive moves 766 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: to disturb the peninsula in a way that China and 767 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: the US might not cotton to. But yeah, what an 768 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: amazing story, you know. And and also, Matt, I can't 769 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: wait to figure out this boundless energy. We were just 770 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 1: talking on the break. One of the things that we 771 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: didn't mention is that it's quite possible that a company 772 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: like Ways could just become another exon you know what 773 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean. There's we're talking about big things in the 774 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: future here. So what's gonna happen. Are we close to 775 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: a world where, like Thighlas scenes are running amuck and 776 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 1: everybody is getting their power from geothermal energy, but you know, 777 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: the decisions about where to place those power plants are 778 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: made by hologram Ai presidents. I think we've quite a 779 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: world here, uh in this week's Strange News, don't you agree? Yeah? Well, 780 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,320 Speaker 1: will the quays facilities actually just be deep fake coal 781 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: production facilities? Right? Uh? This is this is amazing. This 782 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: is candidly one of one of my favorite Strange News 783 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: segments we've done in a while. And also it was 784 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: really great. I don't know about you all, but I 785 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: feel recharged. There's not a deep fake. There's actually me. 786 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: I feel recharged for the time we were able to 787 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: spend on the road this weekend. So I think we're 788 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: coming in. Yeah, Guns Blair and by the way, with 789 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: you guys, had such a good time and h really 790 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: get to eat some good food together and just be 791 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: around in each other in person, which is you know, 792 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,399 Speaker 1: has been kind of rare over the last few years, 793 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: and I think we're entering a world where we can 794 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: at least do that a little more often and have 795 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: some of those trips lined up for the coming months. Yeah, 796 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: shout out to Jack with no k yeah in the 797 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 1: show anymore, He's not want to hear this. We Uh yeah, 798 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: it was great because we were we were in south By, Southwest, 799 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: and we we managed to accidentally run into a lot 800 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,720 Speaker 1: of our fellow conspiracy realists and made our day every time. Because, 801 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,280 Speaker 1: as we say, you're the most important part of this show. 802 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: Don't believe it? Well, tune in this Thursday when we 803 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: return with our listener mail segment. In the meantime, folks, 804 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,760 Speaker 1: we cannot wait to hear from you geothermal energy. First, 805 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: do you think this will work? Is it pie in 806 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: the sky or is it pie twelve miles into the 807 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: ground or or is it or is it feasible? 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