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Speaker 3: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Friday, April twenty fourth.

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Speaker 3: This is Film Session, and today we're breaking down the

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Speaker 3: recently least basketball drama, The Way Back. I'm Jay Skeets

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Speaker 3: fun podcasts we already recorded this week. On Monday, we

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Speaker 6: Now's the perfect time to start or rewatch. You still

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Speaker 3: today we are working with twenty twenties. Yes, a recent

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Speaker 3: movie here in Film Session, The Way Back, directed by

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Speaker 7: I found it heart wrenching, and the way it was revealed,

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Speaker 6: But then when it finally hits that his son had

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Speaker 6: I've definitely thought Affleck was effective in his role, no

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Speaker 7: Every actor is gonna draw on their personal experiences to

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Speaker 4: He said, yeah, so they needed someone to come in

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Speaker 7: Did anyone getting back to the get the divine intervention,

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Speaker 3: trying to get the booze off his breath. Maybe, but

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00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: they lose. They lose the first game to get hammered

435
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 3: sixty seven to thirty one.

436
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 7: I guess the score was really the way they did

437
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 7: that as well. We didn't see a single minute of

438
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 7: play of that game.

439
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 5: That was crazy to me.

440
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 6: I thought I had accidentally like laid on the TV

441
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 6: remote and fast forwarded to the next scene. I was like,

442
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 6: what's going on here? And Laurd's like, I think that's

443
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 6: what it's supposed to be. I was like, I don't know,

444
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,719
Speaker 6: we got to rewind and check it out. Nope, just

445
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 6: the scene that's it.

446
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, just going right to the score. Well, then

447
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 3: we sort of get to the good team, right the

448
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 3: I think they're called the Memorial Nights if I have

449
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: that written.

450
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 7: Down correctly, it is Memorial. I don't know what the team.

451
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the Knights. They have a

452
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 3: sick gym, just a ball or gym in the arches.

453
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 3: Crazy looking, Yeah, it looks awesome. Cool colorway too, with

454
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 3: the red going there, a little red and gray. And

455
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: we got the dick head coach who knows obviously the

456
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 3: past of Coach Jack, and you know it alludes to that.

457
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 3: But this is where I was like, Okay, this is ridiculous.

458
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 3: The basketball part this team. This team somehow won a game.

459
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 3: Bishop Bishop Hayes was one and nine I think at

460
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 3: this point, or maybe before Coach Jack took over, so

461
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 3: maybe now they're one in ten. I don't know, but

462
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: they gave up like six fast break dunks to number

463
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 3: twenty one the killing Like, come on, how did they

464
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 3: even win a game? They're just giving up fast break

465
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: dunk after fast break dunk. It was like, there's a team.

466
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm getting at is there's a team

467
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: worse than Bishop Hayes. When that game they win by default.

468
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: I was so confused by that part.

469
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: I it is a bit of a problem. How he

470
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: comes on there one and nine and they turned it

471
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: around just because he yelled at them, and all of

472
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: a sudden they're good. And all of a sudden you

473
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: get the flash of each score. You don't see any

474
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: basketball plays. You just kind of see one little half

475
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: of play. But I agree that's a good way of

476
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: doing it. I didn't need to see all that basketball,

477
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: really like. I like I like the jack yelling at him.

478
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: And then basically the next game we see is the

479
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: game of them getting into the playoffs. So the team

480
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: got good way too fast. I don't know how that

481
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: they got good, but at this point it was true.

482
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 4: Coach Carter got them. They were basically unbeaten with coach

483
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: Carter when he took over. It's just the standard. You know,

484
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 4: you might drop that first game and then there's some

485
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 4: sort of bust up between one of the players and

486
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 4: the coach, and then all of a sudden they hit

487
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 4: the game when each other and they go in this

488
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 4: incredible run.

489
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 3: You know, well, it's just the final thing from that

490
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 3: night's game where they're getting they're getting blown out because

491
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: number twenty one is just dunking all over their heads.

492
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, coach Jack calls the time out. He rips

493
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 3: them a new one. That's great. You know, I think

494
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: it's you know, I think that's the game. He tells

495
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: Marcus to sit his ass down too, right, if I'm

496
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: not mistaken, and he's you know, he's basically saying, look,

497
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: we're getting punk. So somebody punked them back, you know,

498
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: like somebody send a message out there. So of course

499
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: it's the football guy. Is that body freezes music? It's freeze.

500
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 3: He hits them with the hard foul from behind. Actually

501
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: not that bad of a foul. I thought, like he

502
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: didn't straight up push him or anythink there's a tiny

503
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: play on the ball from behind, but that.

504
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: Starts to skirmating. I didn't think that would induce a

505
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: bench clearing brawl.

506
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: I guess they're like, you guys are down fifty, why

507
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: are you even trying to stop a dunk? I guess

508
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: you're right. I thought that it just it wasn't that

509
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 3: flagrant of a foul. Really in a weird way, he

510
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: could have Like I thought he was just gonna like

511
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 3: it was setting up. You're like Okay, something's gonna happen here.

512
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: I thought he was just gonna body check his ass,

513
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 3: like into the back. But again he sort of made

514
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: a play on the ball.

515
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

516
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 7: I think that ref had his leel as safety had on.

517
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 7: And any sort of pushing of a guy going up

518
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 7: as he's coming down, you're getting a technical foul.

519
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I meanset.

520
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was believable to me.

521
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 6: Okay, oh yeah, that happened in one of my high

522
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 6: school games. We were playing against our rivals and they

523
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 6: hacked one of our players and pushed him down. He

524
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 6: had to go to the hospital later that night, had

525
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 6: to spleen removed.

526
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 3: And you know there was no Yeah, it was crazy.

527
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 6: There was no bench clearing brawl certainly, but you know

528
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 6: the guy was ejected immediately.

529
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: So I thought that one rang very true to me. No, no, okay,

530
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: fair enough.

531
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 7: And he's also Jack has just whipped them into this

532
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 7: frenzy like, don't let these guys punk you, you know,

533
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 7: be tough, show show me your balls. Basically, Yeah, that's right.

534
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: Then, I guess we do have a scene where and

535
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong.

536
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: Jack.

537
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: Jack is going to go to the bar. He goes

538
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: to the bar and doesn't go in, turns that truck around,

539
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: So he's taken the night off. So again, I guess

540
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: he's uh, you know, he's the basketball is helping here, right,

541
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: it's snapping him out of the you know that that's

542
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 3: the alcoholism.

543
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: That's the thing I found. He sort of gave up

544
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 4: on the alcoholic holdism very easily and very quickly, which

545
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 4: tends not to be the case.

546
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: You'd like to see him stick with it.

547
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 4: Ah me, he just seemed to you know, I mean,

548
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 4: for a guy who was pounding gin you know, on

549
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: his way up to work in the morning, you know,

550
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: for him to be able to resist an after game

551
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: beer is a little not true, not believing for me.

552
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 4: But but they.

553
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: Got to show us that he's They got to show

554
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: us he's rebounding a little bit here.

555
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he's Uh listen, this this is a movie

556
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 7: about depression, right like this, this guy loses his son.

557
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 7: I mean, we don't know that yet, but he's got

558
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 7: this massive hole in his soul right that he's been

559
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 7: filling with booze. Right then he's finally this this game

560
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 7: after at with Memorial is the first time he's sort

561
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 7: of guiding and leading these kids where he's being a father.

562
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 7: He's being a father, yeah, exactly, And that's filling up

563
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 7: whatever it is, the filling up his cups, so to speak.

564
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 7: So he goes to the bar and then he realizes,

565
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 7: maybe I don't need this, maybe I don't need it

566
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 7: tonight anyway. Yeah, right, And I agree with you, Lee,

567
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 7: like kicking alcohol is almost worse than heroin, Like you

568
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 7: can die from the from the from the detox from it.

569
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 7: But it's there's something there like that. It's just a

570
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 7: symbol of, Hey, something's fed my soul and I don't

571
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 7: need to I don't need to go in there, Tennis.

572
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say, just it's him leaving a bar.

573
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 3: It would have been something else if he's goes to

574
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: his fridge and pulls out the thirty years and throws

575
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 3: them in the garbage, Like, no frickin' way he's doing that.

576
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: So it's a baby step at the very least that

577
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: they weren't showing us whether or not he was still

578
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: drinking at home, which I'm led to believe he probably was.

579
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 7: Right right, well, he was drinking in the office before

580
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 7: he left, right, I mean that he's been drinking all day.

581
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 4: So and it's the guy who sort of says sort

582
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 4: of he says him, he goes, oh, Jackie, I'll go

583
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: and get you set up there. Like that sort of

584
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: is the point that prompts him to be like, ah, okay,

585
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 4: this is too much of a problem, I guess. And

586
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: he's able to just resist it immediately from there.

587
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 3: So then we get him coaching the team. I was

588
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: I was laughing out loud at this part. He tells

589
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: the team they're going to run a diamond press minutes

590
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: before the casual game. Like I was like, oh my god,

591
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: this team. The basketball IQ on these guys is through

592
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 3: the roof because minutes before the next game he's telling

593
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: them the new strategy. Oh we're running a diamond press.

594
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: But my god, because it's a movie, it works perfectly.

595
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: They're down one fifteen seconds remaining. Coach draws up that

596
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: slick play for you know, really there's going to be

597
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: a play there for Brandon, but he's got he's got options,

598
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: and he throws out I'd like to say, a horrible,

599
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: horrible pass to the corner to playboy Kenny. It was

600
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: way off the mark. It wasn't a great pass, but

601
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: Kenny recovers, grabs it on the side, splashes it, and

602
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: they win. Feel good win at this point, the feel

603
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: good moment of the movie.

604
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're right, it was not an on the

605
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 6: money pass. But in high school it's more about getting

606
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 6: it there than anything right, Like the defense isn't getting back.

607
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 6: And I mean, you know Coach would eventually go on

608
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 6: to criticize Brandon for not shooting the shot, but I mean,

609
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 6: you got to dish it out to Kenny Dodwes when

610
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 6: he's that open in the corner. I don't think he

611
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 6: missed a single shot in this movie. I'm pretty sure

612
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 6: he shot one hundred percent. When they're showing Kenny Dawes.

613
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he went three for three with the ladies.

614
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly goes on fire.

615
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: And so they leave that scene and then that's when

616
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: Coach Jack has that discussion with Brandon about taking those

617
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: shots in the truck. And I do like that scene

618
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: where he is being that father figure to Brandon and

619
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: he's sort of bringing along slowly they developed that car

620
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: ride practice habit that they have, and see that's what

621
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted a little bit more dialogue out

622
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: of out of Ben Affleck and I think that that's

623
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: done pretty pretty well. And I enjoyed that scene a

624
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: lot where they have that discussion.

625
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then after that, the next scene is like

626
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: him Jack ripping Brandon a new one at practice, right,

627
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: I mean, getting him to the point of snapping, because

628
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: he's telling him to be a loud You're you're the

629
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: leader on this team, You're the point guard. We got

630
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: to be able to hear you, especially when this arena

631
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: is packed and I can't hear you up here in

632
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: an empty gym, So let's go. And Yeah, I thought

633
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: that was a cool little back to back run there,

634
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: the connection that, like you were saying, JD, that sort

635
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: of father son figure sort of relationship between the two

636
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: suddenly between Jack and Brandon. Thought it was pretty cool.

637
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 7: And you know, fathers sometimes have to push their sons

638
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 7: to the point where their sons their tempers will flare

639
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 7: and they'll lash back at you. And I thought that

640
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 7: was kind of a nice illustration of that that particular scene.

641
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 7: The one thing I would agree with you, Tass, is

642
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 7: that I wish there was more about the kids, more

643
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 7: about the team. Yeah, because the first time I watched it,

644
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 7: I kind of scrubbed through it again this morning. But

645
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 7: the first time I watched it, I had no idea

646
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 7: why Jack hated Marcus so much. Like it just seemed

647
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 7: he just didn't like him, right, Like, I know that

648
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 7: he was taking shots that he shouldn't have been taking,

649
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 7: and he was, you know, he's a little bit of

650
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 7: a showboat and mouthy and all that.

651
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: Practice.

652
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I get that, and what I scrub through again,

653
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 7: I sort of noticed it more. But on first viewing,

654
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 7: I was just like, he just hates this kid, and

655
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 7: he's really not giving him a chance at all. Hey,

656
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 7: there's lots of kids out there that I can't stand,

657
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 7: so that's perfectly valid. But I just wanted to know,

658
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 7: as an audience member, why exactly just a little bit

659
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 7: more of that.

660
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: The other other side to that is the Coach Carter

661
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: text exactly right, Yeah, and seeing too getting too much

662
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: of the kids and getting too many performances that are lackluster.

663
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 6: You're right, I prefer Yeah, I did too, because to me,

664
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 6: it's like this was almost the same movie, but this

665
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: one was made for adults and Coach Carter was made

666
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 6: for teenagers, So you're getting a lot more backstory of

667
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 6: what's going on with the players, but basically every player,

668
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 6: And this has sort of a setup scene, right, like

669
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 6: Marcus getting kicked off the team, and then they have

670
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 6: the payoff of that, which is then Marcus finally is

671
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 6: able to come back from the team.

672
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: It happens the same with Kenny, right.

673
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 6: We see him with these women three different times throughout

674
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 6: the movie, and then suddenly he's having to run in

675
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 6: front of him.

676
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 5: But that's all we're getting. I was happier to stay

677
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: with a fleck.

678
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, if we're giving a lot

679
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 6: of time to Marcus, like then we're complaining, like why

680
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 6: do we spend so much time with the.

681
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 5: Abortion subplot in Coach Carter?

682
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Right, I would rather have the adult version.

683
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 7: Okay, well maybe Marcus, maybe not. But what about Brandon

684
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 7: and his father? The relationship father, I would have liked

685
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 7: to see a little bit.

686
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: That's the one where you're left wanting maybe a little

687
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: bit more.

688
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, every one, just pick one. I don't think I

689
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: don't need I don't need a temo and then a

690
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: son's coach like all those Coach Carter examples. I think

691
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't think you need the starting lineup plus the

692
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: six man. But yeah, I agree the father's son. I

693
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: thought the father was a great character. But yeah, I

694
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: would have I would have nibbled on that a little

695
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: bit more.

696
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 7: I mean, this movie is an hour and forty eight minutes.

697
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 7: You put twelve minutes of Brandon's dad in there. I'm happy.

698
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 7: You know, Leaving Las Vegas is an hour and fifty

699
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 7: one minutes. That's three minutes longer than The Way Back

700
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 7: is right now, and it only has two characters and

701
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 7: there's no basketball in it.

702
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: Because Jack could have related to the father as well.

703
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: They could have had they could have hit it off

704
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: in a way, like you know, they could have butted heads,

705
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: but they have related in a way. Yeah, well he was.

706
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 7: He was a guy that Jack looked up to when

707
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 7: he was playing, right, I mean, it wasn't that yeah.

708
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: That slipped in there. I also I liked the writing though,

709
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: of Brandon's dad being basically the opposite of Jack's dad,

710
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: who we obviously never meet. But you know what we're

711
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: told from Jack is my dad only loved me when

712
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: I was good at basketball, and you know, so I

713
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: gave him the fu by never playing basketball again. Whereas

714
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: the flip side of it was Brandon's dad is, like,

715
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: he doesn't go to the games. He's got other things.

716
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: He was a player. The game sort of turned its

717
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: back on him, so to speak, so he's wasting his

718
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: time with this. It was total I like that actually,

719
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: even though there was a connection between the two families,

720
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: but it was completely different.

721
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I agree.

722
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 7: I mean I liked the opposites for sure, But at

723
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: the same time, there was flaws in both of those

724
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 7: storylines to me, Like Jack could have had a full

725
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 7: ride at Kansas, but he just walks away because, yeah,

726
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 7: because his dad didn't like his dad liked that he

727
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 7: could play basketball. I mean rebellion, I get it, rebel

728
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 7: against your dad, But why wouldn't going to college fourteen

729
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 7: hundred miles away be a chance to get away from

730
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 7: your dad? Like, it just doesn't ring true. And then

731
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 7: on the other on TV that's right. Then on the

732
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 7: other hand, Brandon's dad is he's a single father, he's

733
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 7: got three boys, and this kid has the opportunity and

734
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 7: they don't seem to be very well off. I mean,

735
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 7: he works in a tuna plant and he's they seem

736
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 7: to be struggling financially. Wouldn't you want your kid to

737
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 7: have a scholarship to go to college for free, you know,

738
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 7: basketball notwithstanding.

739
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it.

740
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 7: Didn't make a lot of sense to me. And if

741
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 7: they spent a little bit more time exploring that, maybe

742
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 7: I would have let it go a little more. And

743
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 7: then and then also to put a bu non Brandon's dad,

744
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 7: why do they decide to show up all of a

745
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 7: sudden at the in the finals. I mean, it's just

746
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 7: it's like, I'm glad they were there, and I'm glad

747
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 7: he had a change of heart, but it's totally unearned.

748
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 7: I guess is the word or it's just okay, he's.

749
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: He made it.

750
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, good, moving on.

751
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: Well, there's a few things that came out of nowhere,

752
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: persinitely definitely one of them. Can I just ask, how

753
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: did you know it was a tuna plant? A lot

754
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: of fish flying around? How did you know?

755
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 7: Because well it was just a fish market, because well

756
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's a fish place for sure.

757
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 7: But when when Jack shows up, he he goes, hi,

758
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 7: I'm Jack, and he says, get those tunas on. I

759
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 7: thought he was yelling at Jack. You know, well, I

760
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 7: guess just to.

761
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: Speak to your the whole the idea that Jack turned

762
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: down a full ride, and he also just stopped drinking

763
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. The idea that the example that

764
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: Lea said when he came in or was at the

765
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: bar and he just turned away maybe just shows you

766
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: he's a cold turkey man. Maybe those are two examples

767
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: showing you that he does it hard or he doesn't

768
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: do it at all. But yeah, it's just a bit

769
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: of a bit of a street.

770
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: Speaking of professions, was Jack getting paid to coach the

771
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: basketball team?

772
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 6: He's got some kind of stupend. I would imagine he's

773
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 6: only doing it half five hundred bucks.

774
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, Coach Carter got fifteen hundred I

775
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: think so, you know, I guess a bit of a

776
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 4: lower school. I think he's getting the grand I think

777
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: he's getting a thousand bucks.

778
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what about fulk.

779
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: To school man? There's much, isn't it.

780
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: I thought I thought coach Carter's was a higher profile school.

781
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 6: Guy' Well, they were playing against Ty the Crane Crane,

782
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 6: so I mean their their profile was elevated a lot.

783
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: He's got a computer and he got the office and

784
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: all that, so you know, you got a nice little

785
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: set up there.

786
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: How was how was Jack also like I guess, you know,

787
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: juggling the two jobs because he kept his construction job too, right,

788
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: you work in long hours soon.

789
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wasn't he drawing up plays while he

790
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: was on the case.

791
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, he just made it work. He was a

792
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: functioning alcoholic, no doubt. You guys working two jobs function

793
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, yeah.

794
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: You physician recruiting, Skeet's working a couple of jobs on

795
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: one Jobeah.

796
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. So the second to last game, Okay,

797
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: I skipped over it there because we had already talked

798
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: about it. But you know, the team goes on a

799
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: five or six game winning streak immediately after putting in

800
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: the diamond press. They're smaller, We're just going to run

801
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: teams out of the gym. Okay, whatever, We've seen that

802
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: before in sort of movies. Then we find out the

803
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: whole you know, the the gut punch in this movie

804
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: is that we totally now learned the Jack and his

805
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 3: wife had lost their their son, Michael. That that's where

806
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: we find this out in the movie. Then it's the

807
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 3: second to last game of the season versus Trinity. This

808
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: is set up, by the way from his nephew who's

809
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: a big fan of high school basketball, just like real,

810
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: lets us know, hey, take care of this one game

811
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 3: and you won't have to beat Memorial in the final game.

812
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: Like this kid's all over it.

813
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 7: You know, it turns into turns into basil exposition there.

814
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd you like that performance? Was it a little

815
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: too much?

816
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 7: It was I did not enjoy it. Jackson hated it,

817
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 7: and uh yeah, I mean it's it's really clumsy. But

818
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 7: you know, at least they didn't go the route of

819
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 7: TV news story of this high school the next game.

820
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 7: But you know it's your sort of you're taking a

821
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 7: shot a basketball, I'm taking.

822
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: A shot at all.

823
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it was a lot. It was a mouthful.

824
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 7: I mean I wrote it all Downy Trinity has lost

825
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 7: six in a row. One good shooter TJ Edmonds. But

826
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 7: Uncle Jack's team should win and they kind of have

827
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 7: to win tonight because if they don't win tonight, their

828
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 7: next chance of getting into the playoffs is against Memorial

829
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 7: and Memorials the number one ranked team in the state.

830
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 7: And then his dad pipes in. He's like, oh yeah,

831
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 7: every morning he wakes up, goes down and checks those

832
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 7: stats on the old.

833
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: Computer, like a ten year old kid that was a

834
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: bit of a weird seed. But yeah, so we know

835
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: that this is an important game. This is the whole

836
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: point versus Trinity, Like, win this one and you're good.

837
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: You're in the playoffs for the first time in twenty

838
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: five years. And what happens, Well, Jack loses. The team

839
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: is up huge, right, they're up like ten points pretty

840
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: late in the game, Bishop Hays is, they just blow it.

841
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: They completely fall apart. They're not used to the high

842
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: stakes games, as assistant coach Dan says, playing in a

843
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: game that actually means something. And then Jack loses his

844
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: cool over a last minute charge call and he just

845
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 3: goes ballistic, just goes crazy and you know, ultimately gets

846
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: tossed and the team loses the game.

847
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that scene where he loses his cool. It's unfortunately

848
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 7: for Ben Affleck, he's been so unhinged at all of

849
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 7: these games so far, like there was really nowhere more

850
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 7: for him to go, Like he'd already reached the mountaintop

851
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 7: of of outrage, you know, and swearing and just acting

852
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 7: like like a damn fool basically, So it didn't. I

853
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 7: was like, Okay, well, he's just doing what he normally does,

854
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 7: except he's screaming at his the it's his friend right

855
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 7: the the the rest referee who gives him at teck

856
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 7: and then he says, oh, there's his bullsh and blah

857
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 7: blah blah. And then and then you know, you see

858
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 7: these shocked shots of his family that are in the

859
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 7: crowd and just the bench, as if they've never seen

860
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 7: this before. It's like, oh, this is very unlike Jack

861
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 7: to be freaking out like this. But I mean we've

862
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 7: seen it literally every game.

863
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and his sister saw him freak out on

864
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 3: a beer can, like right across the table.

865
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 6: It's like, suddenly, rate, I like the idea that the

866
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 6: kid knows every single thing that's happening with the team

867
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 6: but has never seen them fly. This is shocking to

868
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 6: me to see my uncle acting like this. I mean,

869
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 6: we spend a lot of time together. I know everything

870
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 6: that's happening. I know the stats, I know the playoff scenarios.

871
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: But in person, who Yeah, So it's.

872
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: Just tough to act as a kid.

873
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: Though, it's tough to use a kid.

874
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: When you said, when you kid actors are tough, when

875
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: you said, it skeets there that he was a ten

876
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: year old and he goes to checks the computer. We

877
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: were all ten year old geeks. You know, yeah, no

878
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: pouring over stats.

879
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: You're right, not high school basketball stats.

880
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is America. I don't know.

881
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: You've got you got a little buddy Owen there. He's

882
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: a he's a connoisseur of stats. He knows his stats

883
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: to rhyme them off.

884
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: Like a hundred percent. But again I think that's more. Yeah,

885
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: he knows NHL, MLB, NBA. I don't know. I mean,

886
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: maybe Tree can speak to it, like, were you following

887
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: high school basketball when you were you know, oh, no

888
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: doubt about it.

889
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 6: I knew what Brian Torkelsen was up to playing for

890
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 6: the Plano Reapers, pouring in eighteen a game, shoot him.

891
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: From the outside and these in those times. Wow, that

892
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: was crazy.

893
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 6: But also our high school basketball team was basically terrible

894
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 6: until I got to high school, literally.

895
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: No doing of my own.

896
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 5: We finally got somebody who was six foot nine.

897
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, I definitely knew the stats when I was

898
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 6: a kid, but also would go to the games because

899
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 6: you're in a tiny town. I mean, they seem to

900
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 6: be in a bigger town than I grew up in

901
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 6: But it was a little unbelievable to me that he

902
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 6: would have no clue at all about what his uncle

903
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 6: is like coaching.

904
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 5: If he's that obsessed with what's going on.

905
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: Sure that year is it, by the way, I didn't know.

906
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: Twenty five years later, wasn't it?

907
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

908
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 4: Because no, no.

909
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 6: No.

910
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: Present, yes yeah.

911
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

912
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 7: And to be to be fair about Jack's nephew, he

913
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 7: did idolize Jack, right, I mean he was. He seemed

914
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 7: like he really really loved his uncle, and maybe that's

915
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 7: why he would be checking the stats and being engaged

916
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 7: with his career.

917
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 3: Well, JD. His uncle's the Jack Cunningham all.

918
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 7: Right, uncle put.

919
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we got a couple of scenes we already

920
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: talked about, but we get another ride. You know, Jack

921
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: spilling the beans to Brandon on the way home that

922
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 3: he had the full ride to Kansas, but he gave

923
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: the big f you to his dad. And then Jack

924
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: goes to see Brandon's dad down at the uh the

925
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: tuna plant or the fish market, tells him about the

926
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: recruitment letters. I will say what I liked about this movie.

927
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: Scenes were not drawn out. They were not you know,

928
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, like longer than they needed to be

929
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: and like that one comes to mind, like the exchange

930
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: between Jack and Brandon's dad at the fish market, like

931
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: it was short and sweet until the point you know,

932
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: like it was I don't care.

933
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, And to me, it's like we could

934
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 6: have had more of the backstory between Brandon, his dad,

935
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 6: and Jack, for sure, But also the whole reason that

936
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 6: scene existed to me was for that line when Brandon's

937
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 6: dad tells him, you can't build your life around basketball

938
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 6: of anybody. You should know that because we're watching Jack

939
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 6: do that, right, We're watching him build his life around

940
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 6: basketball right now, So it kind of subtly primes us

941
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 6: for the fall that's gonna take place.

942
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

943
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally agree about the scenes being as long

944
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 7: as they should be, even the ones where they seem

945
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 7: to linger well after the scene is over. I'm thinking

946
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 7: of the where he meets his wife for lunch and

947
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 7: she basically tells him I'm seeing somebody else and she

948
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 7: leaves and then we just see this extended shot of

949
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 7: him just sitting there brooding about it. But it still worked, right,

950
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 7: It was just like this guy is he's crushed.

951
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was the dialogue in this movie was not

952
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: and I know we talked about like it's sometimes maybe

953
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: wanting a little more maybe, but it was not overwritten

954
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: by any means the dialogue in this movie. So yeah,

955
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: the fall, like you said there, TK is well, I

956
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 3: guess not yet, but this is the sort of good

957
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: stuff here. The final regular season game versus Memorial, they're

958
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: playing the Knights again, but they're in their home gym.

959
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: I laughed so hard when the Memorial coach who's whoever?

960
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: The cast of the perfect guy for that coach. I

961
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: love that guy and he's getting all upset because this

962
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: crap team. Bishop Hays is hanging with them, and he

963
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: just yells out, he's six inches shorter than you. That shot, dude, Like,

964
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: have you been watching basketball? You can hit a shot.

965
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you can be smaller in his shot. I

966
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: don't know. I killed me. Bishop's down one though. Again.

967
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 3: Jack draws up a play with options again. You know

968
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna pass to the corner, blah blah blah. But

969
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: then coach pulls Brandon you know, aside before they go

970
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 3: out there and says, forget that, forget what I just said,

971
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: or to everybody, just shoot it and we get some

972
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: ISO ball. Lee what did you think of that long

973
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: contested to Brandon takes?

974
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 4: You know, I mean it's just it's standard in in

975
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: basketball movies. It's like you've got you can't just hit

976
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: a layup to win or get a you know, a

977
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: charge like we saw in uh in Love of Basketball.

978
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: It's going to be a sort of contested long shot

979
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: that's in the air and bang it drops in.

980
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 3: You know, well tasked. Did you write the story while

981
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: the ball was in.

982
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: The air, Yes, I wrote it. Good shot.

983
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 7: Well, I mean you could in this case, right, because

984
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 7: that was the whole point. You should be taking the shot.

985
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 7: Sometimes the smart play isn't the right play. And Brandon

986
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 7: took the shot, whereas at the beginning of the film

987
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 7: he wouldn't have taken that shot.

988
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: So I was a little confused. It seemed like the

989
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: opposing coach was saying, we're gonna double him and get

990
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands.

991
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they didn't do that. Yeah, it was

992
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: a bad double.

993
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: But I like the angle, the camera angle below the bucket.

994
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: I like that angle. Seeing it go through was right online.

995
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: And I did like the score. I'd liked the piano

996
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: because I think when Benett like the piano started when

997
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: they broke the huddle, and then ben Affleck went and

998
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: talked to to Brandon, told him to take the shot,

999
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: and then we didn't get another piece of dialogue throughout

1000
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: the entire scene. It was just build up, build up,

1001
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: build up, lots and lots and lots of cheering afterwards.

1002
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: So the piano piano got me.

1003
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: The music like that, The music in this movie reminded

1004
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: me of another movie so much, and Nora too, and

1005
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: we couldn't put our finger on it. We couldn't figure

1006
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: out what movie, especially early in the movie, like when

1007
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: he's really on the dark side and is like really

1008
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: leaning into the alcoholism JD. I don't know. Was there

1009
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: a movie that came to mind? There was something, and

1010
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: it was driving me insane all last night. I'm like,

1011
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: this is so similar to another movie.

1012
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, not specifically, I mean the production design in general,

1013
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 7: including the score, was to mind Friday Night Lights for me,

1014
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 7: just because it's sort of the music isn't the same,

1015
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 7: but it has that that sort of same vibe, like

1016
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 7: a drony sort of pianos but more guitars in Friday

1017
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 7: Night Lights, but it had that same vibe and the

1018
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 7: handheld cameras and stuff like that. But yeah, I know

1019
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 7: what you mean. It's very familiar. It's this this movie.

1020
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 7: The style of it is very derivative across the board,

1021
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 7: like you know, there's one hundred cliches here. Yeah, but

1022
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 7: but yeah.

1023
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1024
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 7: I looked up the I looked up the composer. I

1025
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,959
Speaker 7: can't remember his name off the top of my head.

1026
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 7: He's done some stuff, but nothing that I had seen

1027
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 7: other than this.

1028
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I will say this scene. I was shocked

1029
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: at this point that we didn't, you know, get a

1030
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: glance up into the crowd after the game winner to

1031
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: see Brandon's dad. I for sure thought that was coming.

1032
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: But we get that later in the movie. So getting

1033
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: kudos to the to the writer, kudos the director for

1034
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: not for surprising me.

1035
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: At least.

1036
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is amazing. He hits the shot,

1037
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: he's the hero. Give me a glance up, give me

1038
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: a head nod from old pops up in the crowd

1039
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: holding a tuna up in the air and around. But

1040
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: they didn't. They didn't. It comes later. It comes up,

1041
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: you know, basically right at the end of the movie.

1042
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 6: Soo thedn't get a shot of Jack's nephew, who you

1043
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 6: would have to assume having watched them not get into

1044
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 6: the playoffs, playing against the number one team in state,

1045
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 6: wouldn't he be there?

1046
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd think so, you would think so.

1047
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 6: Or maybe he's just too disgusted. He's like, I cannot

1048
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 6: see another swear from my uncle.

1049
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe maybe, And maybe he thought, well, the season's over.

1050
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: I told you you had to win that second to

1051
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: last time changer beating Memorial. Yeah, now you're not going

1052
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: to get in. But they do, and then we get

1053
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: the fall of Jack. You know, he's he's riding high,

1054
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: but he gets the call from his wife that Miguel's

1055
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 3: son is in the hospital, and he heads there and

1056
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: is obviously pretty traumatized. He relapses and seeing and overhearing

1057
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: the news that Miguel's son, I think it's David has

1058
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: cancer again or it's come back. And he's seeing all

1059
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: these other sick kids in the hospital and this is

1060
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: what he's gone through, and he relapses. What did everybody

1061
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: think of that? Like what you said, JD. The part

1062
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: I found the most difficult to wrap my head around

1063
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: was him and his ex wife now going to the

1064
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 3: birthday party and then sort of him and his ex

1065
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 3: wife just even being at the hospital in this instance, Yeah,

1066
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 3: was a little bit odd to me. But maybe they're

1067
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: just super tight. Maybe the family was that close.

1068
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 7: I mean I can see, you know, if you use

1069
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 7: your imagination, and they seem to insinuate that they met

1070
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 7: at the hospital where both kids were being treated at

1071
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 7: the same time, and I'm sure that was an intensely

1072
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 7: bonding experience. It's just when you what doesn't ring true

1073
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 7: is that you arrive at the hospital and literally Angela

1074
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 7: is the only person there. There's no other family or

1075
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 7: friends there at all. And then Jack or and they're like,

1076
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 7: oh my god. And there's that horrible moment where the

1077
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 7: doctor comes in and said obviously gives him the bad news.

1078
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 7: And then Miguel looks directly into Jack's eyes and he's

1079
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 7: just like he's like looking in the mirror from a

1080
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 7: couple of years ago when he lost his kid. And

1081
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 7: then he loses it and leaves. I mean that this

1082
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 7: whole movie is it's all id for me, it's all

1083
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 7: it just it tugs on my heartstrings. But if I

1084
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 7: stop and I think about it, you know, I can

1085
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 7: poke holes in every single scene, in every single moment

1086
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 7: that happens, but ultimately I don't care.

1087
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: So he relapses, he gets drunk, he shows up super late.

1088
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: I mean he's definitely more than four minutes late to practice,

1089
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: and he's you know, he's hungover, he's still drunk or whatever.

1090
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: And he gets fired really soon after that. Right assistant

1091
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 3: code Dan had given him a warning, you know's he'd

1092
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: said he'd seen the bottles or cans in the in

1093
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: the office and knew that he had sure was drunk

1094
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: at other times, could smell it on his breath and

1095
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: gets father in there and they have to fire him.

1096
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: So he's gone, and then he's back to the bar.

1097
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: I will say, he's back to Harold's barber. This time

1098
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: it's turned into a happening little bluespot. No wonder you've

1099
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: been coming here. This is what happens on the weekend.

1100
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: There's something a nice little place here. Jack hooks up

1101
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: with some chick and then I mean, I'll go through

1102
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 3: it quickly. Here he crashes his truck into the back

1103
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: of a boat or like a hitch while he's driving

1104
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: her home. And then so she's like, oh quick, you know,

1105
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: park and come around back. I'm like three or four

1106
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: houses down. Whenever she says to him, he stumbles into

1107
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: the wrong house, gotta take a leak, gets into a

1108
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 3: fight with the homeowner of that house, who's like, you're

1109
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 3: not going anywhere. I'm calling the cops. He tries to

1110
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 3: flee and basically gets pushed or falls down a flight

1111
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 3: of stairs and knocks himself out cold, winds up in

1112
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: the hospital. I mean, it happened all very quickly, but

1113
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 3: he was doing shots and drinking beers at the bar,

1114
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 3: so I guess believable.

1115
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, And a lot of things happen quickly in this movie, Lauras,

1116
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 6: So are we supposed to believe he hasn't had a

1117
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 6: drink since then? But I think, like people are saying,

1118
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 6: you know, there's just a lot of stuff that is

1119
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 6: happening offscreen that we're never seeing. But yeah, I mean,

1120
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 6: he's zero to one hundred, just like that. But I thought,

1121
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 6: you know, to me, that was it was fine to

1122
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 6: see because you watch a lot of sports movies and

1123
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 6: it's all about the redemptive arc, and that just seemed

1124
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 6: like where we were heading, right, And then to see

1125
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 6: him actually crash in a movie like this made it

1126
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 6: different to me than watching you know, the standard sports

1127
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 6: movie we're seeing.

1128
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's it's a little on the nose,

1129
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 7: you know, his hitting of rock Bottom, like he literally

1130
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 7: crashes out of the house, rolls down a hill and

1131
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 7: lands on rock Bottom. You know, it's like, okay, we

1132
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 7: got we got it.

1133
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I guess who does he talk to

1134
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: in the hospital. Is that his sister? Yeah? Yeah, you know,

1135
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: agreeing that he's got to go to rehab and he's

1136
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: got a silber up and he's getting therapy there. And

1137
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: this is I mean, it's moved quickly here at the

1138
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: end even of this movie. And then soon after, you know,

1139
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: he's apologizing to his wife, which was a pretty powerful scene.

1140
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: And again another one of these sort of like short

1141
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: and sweet and was enough, you know, to me, this

1142
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: could have been like you could imagine other movies where

1143
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 3: this would have been such a drawn out, long scene

1144
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: and it wasn't.

1145
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, and this is the scene where where Affleck actually

1146
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 7: has a massive breakdown. I don't know if you've read

1147
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 7: about that, but they didn't put it in the movie

1148
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 7: because it was just too much, Like the director describes

1149
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 7: it as the dam's open and he is just a mess.

1150
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: Right, because not only is afflic in real life are

1151
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 3: recovering alcoholic but not long prior to this whole thing.

1152
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 3: Had you're broken up with Jennifer Gardner, right, his long

1153
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: time waye for like ten years or something like that. Yeah, yeah, No,

1154
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: there's a heavy role for Affleck here. Probably a reason

1155
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: he took it on because it ranks so true to him.

1156
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: And then we end this thing pretty damn quickly, right,

1157
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 3: I mean we end with Bishop Hayes playing in the playoffs.

1158
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: We don't see them play the game, but the hype

1159
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: of the big game, and you know, Brandon being vocal,

1160
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: so that's come through him as the point guard. His

1161
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: dad is in the stands, no tune in hand, but

1162
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: he is there. And then coach Jack, you know, still

1163
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 3: going through rehabit all that, shoots some hoops, picks up

1164
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 3: a basketball for the first time in twenty five years

1165
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: and sort of shoots it. He lets it go. But

1166
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 3: then we quickly go to a wide shot of the

1167
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: stunt double taking those shots.

1168
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 4: I think, tell you what, it's a nice look.

1169
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: Oh what a beautiful beautiful that was very heavenly looking.

1170
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 3: I think that was done on purpose.

1171
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 6: I like to imagine it had a huge fence right

1172
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 6: next to that, but Josh from just came and tore

1173
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 6: it all down from them.

1174
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the movie. I mean, I don't know

1175
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: if you guys have any other random observations, will grade

1176
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 3: this thing in a second, but any random observations or

1177
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: notes that you came across.

1178
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 4: I guess the father it tries to address the swearing

1179
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 4: with him early on, but it doesn't really have any effect.

1180
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: He just still keeps swearing. So you know, you again,

1181
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 4: you sort of wonder what was the point of that,

1182
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: Like if he doesn't really improve it, or if he

1183
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 4: doesn't get into a fight with the father there, like,

1184
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 4: then what was the point of that movie? Really? Well,

1185
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 4: that that story of the movie.

1186
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 7: Well, I'll tell you the point of that conversation and

1187
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 7: that dynamic between Father Mark and Jack was one of

1188
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 7: my favorite things about the movie, just just the swearing

1189
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 7: back and the swearing that Jack was doing and then

1190
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 7: Father Mark just being exasperated with him. But on the

1191
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 7: bus that that conversation, Jack says, you really think something,

1192
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 7: like you really think God cares about what I say

1193
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 7: to these kids, and then Mark says, as Christians were

1194
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 7: called to God to integrate at our faith into our

1195
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 7: daily lives. So yes, Jack, I really do think he

1196
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 7: gives about the the example you set for these young men,

1197
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 7: don't underestimate the impact that you can have on them.

1198
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 7: And that's what this, as I said before, this whole

1199
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 7: movie is about fatherhood, right. And when they when we're

1200
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 7: at the finals, and I assume it's the finals, it's

1201
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 7: the playoffs, whatever it is, and they have the father

1202
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 7: Mark is leading them through this solemn prayer and it's

1203
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 7: not not about winning. It's about, you know, let's play

1204
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 7: a good game and let's you know, let's be good

1205
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 7: men out there. And then what's his freeze?

1206
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: Is that his name?

1207
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 7: He's like, let's let's win this game for for coach Cunningham,

1208
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 7: you know. And it's a it's a it's an allegory

1209
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 7: for fatherhood and how fatherhood is fleeting right like you

1210
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 7: fathers die and and sometimes sons die, but you're the

1211
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 7: the the the effect that you have as a father

1212
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 7: over these kids, it lasts well beyond you being their

1213
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 7: father or them living with you. And I think that's

1214
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 7: the point that they were trying to make, is like

1215
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 7: and that's the great thing that happens to Jack, because

1216
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 7: he did he got a second chance to be a father,

1217
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 7: and he had an effect over these people warts and

1218
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 7: all right. So, I mean that's one of the things

1219
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 7: I loved about this movie. I actually thought with that

1220
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 7: final shot when he's shooting baskets, I thought he was

1221
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 7: in heaven. I thought he had died. Yeah, wow, that's

1222
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 7: my crazy theory.

1223
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 3: Really changes the movie.

1224
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: I think.

1225
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, but.

1226
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 7: It's like, literally, he goes to a better place, right

1227
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 7: he Basically him hitting rock Bottom is like the death.

1228
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 7: His death as far as those as far as those

1229
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 7: kids on the team is concerned, Like he's gone, He's

1230
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 7: out of their lives, right, but he's gone.

1231
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: On it is the counter is in heaven JD. I'm

1232
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 3: never missing a shot one of his shots.

1233
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 7: So I don't know, Yeah, fair enough, No, No, it's funny.

1234
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: I thought about that.

1235
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 6: I thought it was interesting to see Affleck actually shooting

1236
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 6: a basketball because that's always the question to me, when

1237
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 6: are we going to see the lead actor in a basketball.

1238
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: Movie playing basketball?

1239
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 6: Because the whole time I'm watching this, I'm like, I

1240
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 6: don't know, man, Affleck to me looks like if he's

1241
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 6: any sort of a former athlete, he's a former baseball player,

1242
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 6: just the build of him. So then you know, I'm

1243
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 6: googling all this stuff, and there's interviews with the director

1244
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 6: who are saying, yeah, the substance abuse was a lot

1245
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 6: easier for Ben Affleck than playing basketball, which is probably

1246
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 6: why they save it for the last thirty seconds of

1247
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 6: the movie, right. But in the same interview, afflex like, yeah,

1248
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 6: I had no idea what I was doing.

1249
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: I've never played basketball. I mean, this is a lie.

1250
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 6: I've seen him in Buffy the Vampire Slayer playing basketball.

1251
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 6: But he did say I know how to hit a

1252
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 6: little bit, so I fell a little justified there. I

1253
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 6: was like, great, man, let's get Ben Affleck in a

1254
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 6: baseball movie. See some cuts.

1255
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: He hasn't been in a baseball Yeah, that's a great question.

1256
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I guess on the town he is

1257
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 6: at Fenway Park, a lot right there underneath it. But yeah,

1258
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 6: I mean, he seems like a guy who would be

1259
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 6: in a baseball movie.

1260
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 4: Right.

1261
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: You can imagine dip in his mouth easily totally.

1262
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 7: Why didn't they just make this a baseball movie? It's

1263
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 7: what difference does it make?

1264
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: Great question?

1265
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 4: You can't hit it?

1266
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I guess it's not as exciting a watch, it's.

1267
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 4: A bit different. I think when you go in those

1268
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: on those long runs, those winning runs that you can in,

1269
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 4: I think.

1270
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: It's more even to what you were talking about, Gud,

1271
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: I think it's easier as a basketball coach to get

1272
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: your message through to kids than it is. Oddly for

1273
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: a baseball manager. I don't know why it's true, but

1274
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: it just feels that way.

1275
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: I thought the football angle would be a decent angle.

1276
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: I thought his build was definitely more of a football dude,

1277
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: and you can't. You can't really be an individual star

1278
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: in baseball like you can in basketball or football. If

1279
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: you're the quarterback, that would probably be the route, especially

1280
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: in small town America, you could have a little bit

1281
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: of the Friday night lights feel.

1282
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: But I have another high school basketball question for you, Trey,

1283
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: specifically American high school basketball. Was the coach bringing out

1284
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 3: the game ball a thing?

1285
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 6: I don't remember it like being such an honorific. I

1286
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 6: feel like maybe our coach would have it and would

1287
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 6: just kind of like hand it over to the thing

1288
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 6: when we all came out. It wasn't like, all right,

1289
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 6: here we go, the ball is here, it's done to

1290
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 6: tip up. But yeah, I mean it seemed like such

1291
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 6: an important job for Jack cunning him.

1292
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like mentioned like super early from assistant coach Dan,

1293
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: like here are the game balls? Like and then yeah,

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Speaker 3: we see like a couple of times of like here

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Speaker 3: he comes. He's I mean, I get it, he's coming

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Speaker 3: out of the locker room, he's got the ball. He's

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01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: going to have an exchange with the referee or maybe

1298
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: the other coach. But yeah, it's like, is this a

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Speaker 3: thing that I was not aware of? Yeah?

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 6: To me, it was always more just like we got

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01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 6: the game ball, right, it's here, all right?

1302
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Speaker 3: Excellent, Okay, good on the random observation I have is

1303
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,479
Speaker 3: just from doing a little research and and mainly because

1304
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: I was like, I hate the name of this movie.

1305
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm alone the Way Back. Do

1306
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: you guys like the name of this movie.

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01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 7: I kind of don't know what it means, to be honest.

1308
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: See, I felt the same way. There's other movies called

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01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: The Way Yeah, and it's it's just an odd name.

1310
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 3: So the working title in the US was The has

1311
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 3: Been m M, Yeah, it has been has been however

1312
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: you want to pronounce it. And the UK title of

1313
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: this movie is Finding the way Back, So they added

1314
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: that to it, Okay, but I don't know, so I

1315
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: don't really like the you know, the has Been. I

1316
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 3: don't like that all that much either, But I was like,

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01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: what would be another good name for this, like an

1318
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: alternative title league on anything?

1319
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 4: Redemption buckets and booze? I mean, yeah, just yeah, I

1320
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: They just went with the way Back. Yeah, how about

1322
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 3: the rebound? I mean he's like, you know, he's trying.

1323
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: To bounce back as well.

1324
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean maybe naming it something like the

1325
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 6: Way Back, which has zero sports connotation, kind of makes

1326
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 6: it so you don't necessarily have to see it specifically

1327
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 6: as a basketball movie, right sure.

1328
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's maybe that's the whole point of it.

1329
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: Any other random observations, all right, before we grade this movie,

1330
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: a quick word from the Black Tucks. One thing we

1331
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,479
Speaker 3: didn't see in The Way Back was a prom scene.

1332
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Speaker 3: And that's too bad.

1333
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 6: Because I like to imagine that all the Bishop Hays

1334
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 6: boys and maybe Ben Affleck himself as a chaperone, would

1335
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 6: use the Black Tucks for picking out their dance and duds.

1336
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 6: So I went to the Black Tucks dot Com right

1337
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 6: after finishing this movie trying to see exactly what kind

1338
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Speaker 6: of fits these guys would toss. Brandon Durrett, he's a

1339
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 6: low key guy, so you know he's going with something classic,

1340
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 6: like the standard peak lapel tuxedo. But Kenny Dawes, he's

1341
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 6: a ladies man, a little more out there. Perhaps he

1342
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 6: goes with the four rose or emerald shawl collar look.

1343
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 6: If my main man, Bobby Freeze, you know he's going

1344
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Speaker 6: with the split tartan.

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Speaker 5: Tuxedo, plaid on plaid on plaid. And that's a great

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Speaker 5: thing about the Black Tucks.

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Speaker 6: They have an easy online ordering process that brings your

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Speaker 6: suit or tuxedo straight to you.

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Speaker 5: Just pick a style at the Black Tucks dot.

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Speaker 6: Com and request a free home try on so you

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Speaker 6: can feel the fit and quality before you commit. If

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Speaker 6: online isn't your style, the Black Tucks has showrooms all

1353
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 6: over the country where you can find your fit and

1354
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Speaker 6: plan your look from there. They'll ship your order two

1355
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 6: weeks before your wedding or prom so you can check.

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Speaker 3: It one last time.

1357
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 5: Talk about commitment, whether.

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01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 6: You're buying your outfit or looking to rent, you won't

1359
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 6: find a formal wear experience or designs like the one

1360
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Speaker 6: you'll find at the Black Tucks. So if you want

1361
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Speaker 6: your wedding slash prom to be remembered for the right reasons,

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Speaker 6: order your suit or tuxedo at the Black Tucks dot

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Speaker 6: the Black Tucks dot Com code dunks for ten percent

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Speaker 6: off your purchase the Black Tucks formal wear for the moment.

1366
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Speaker 3: So, the critics score on Rotten Tomatoes for The Way

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01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 3: Back eighty four percent. The audience score based off two

1368
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: thousand plus user ratings eighty four percent. Wow, the critics

1369
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: and the fans in lackstep here, both saying eighty four percent.

1370
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: So both you know, fairly high on this movie. That's

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01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: an a lee. Why don't you give us a grade

1372
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 3: on the way Back? Would you think? You know, well,

1373
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: we know how you watched this first off, you watched

1374
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 3: the first forty minutes, it took a break, and then

1375
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: you watched the final hour the next day. How did

1376
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 3: that work out for you?

1377
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 4: It was fine? I mean, you know, I didn't love

1378
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 4: this movie. I didn't hate it. I wouldn't recommend it

1379
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 4: twenty one. I wouldn't watch it again. But I thought

1380
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 4: Ben's acting was fine. You know, I really hated the

1381
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 4: scene about losing his kid and seeing that. I mean that, like,

1382
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 4: I just can't imagine what that must be like for

1383
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 4: a parent. So I just don't like seeing that sort

1384
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 4: of stuff in movies. So, you know, I don't know.

1385
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 4: I really have no idea what to give this move.

1386
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 4: I'll give it to two cans of beer out of six.

1387
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 4: How about that?

1388
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: It's a beer out of six? Oh, the old classic

1389
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:09,919
Speaker 3: six pack?

1390
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah, I'll give it two.

1391
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 3: You're showing up to a party house party in Vancouver

1392
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: bringing six pack and you're taking drinking. I'm drinking.

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01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 4: My classic move when I was a teenage was turned

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01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: out with six and drink ten.

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01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: That's right, okay with Jack Cunningham. Yeah yeah, uh tass

1396
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 3: when you go next? What do you think of this movie?

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01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: I was engaged. I think maybe I made a mistake

1398
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: in that I the first part of the movie. I

1399
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: didn't watch it on separate days, but I watched. I

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: watched it probably with the volume a little bit too low. Okay,

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01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: the audio as powerful as it is in this movie,

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: I was sucked in the second half with the audio

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01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: and not the first half. So maybe that's why I

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: just wasn't all that excited for the first half. I

1405
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: was drawn in like I should have been. But I

1406
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: also don't think it's that hard to play a drunk.

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01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm underestimating it, but him just picking up

1408
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: a beer can and putting it to his lips and

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01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: pulling his head back, and maybe just because I've done

1410
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: that a billion times, I didn't find that all that interesting.

1411
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: Didn't find it all that interesting for a guy to

1412
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: be carrying up a guy a set of stairs while

1413
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: he grunts over and over multiple times. I'm probably underestimating it.

1414
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: But I loved a lot of things about this movie.

1415
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: And I like the limited basketball. I was engaged in

1416
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: every basketball scene because I do think there was only

1417
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: three or four really longer basketball scenes. I like how

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01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: the football safety makes an interception type play in the

1419
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 1: midwinning game. And yeah, I didn't think they overextended Benny Boy.

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Speaker 1: So it was good. I'm not coming back for more,

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01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: but I'll give it seven and a half out of ten.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's pretty good, pretty good score. I'm glad you

1423
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 3: brought that up. That was one thing I had in

1424
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: my notes that I forgot to slip in here. That

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 3: guy who is this guy that is continually taking Jack

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01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 3: home from the bar? And was it alluded to that

1427
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 3: he did that for his father?

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01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah weird? What Wow? Who is this saint? Yeah,

1430
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: he's just the local guy who uh it's it's what

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: he does.

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01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he was he must be trustworthy.

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 6: His name is Doc, So apparently that's why everybody's like,

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01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 6: this is the guy to carry you home?

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01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 3: Gotta hire him, dude.

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Speaker 1: Ben Affleck is not a small man. No every and

1437
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean this jet. Doc isn't a large man, but

1438
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: no strong as an ox. I guess because he has

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Speaker 1: to carry him. It's not like ben Affleck is. I

1440
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: do like that part like Ben Affleck is falling over.

1441
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: He's not just like not like a light ankle sprain

1442
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: where we're going to the back and you kind of

1443
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: have to carry the weight. You're carrying two hundred and

1444
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: forty lbs there with Ben Affleck. It sure feels like, yeah,

1445
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: I forgot about that guy.

1446
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 3: I forgot about Doc just always be in there, and

1447
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 3: I guess driving him home in his own car because

1448
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 3: his vehicle is usually left there.

1449
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: Right.

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01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't taking Yeah, he wasn't taking him in

1451
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 3: his pickle.

1452
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 7: Well, but didn't he have to run back to the

1453
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 7: bar to get his car the day he was late.

1454
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I'm saying Doc drove him home in.

1455
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: His own view, gotcha?

1456
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 7: Gotcha?

1457
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? But then what was Doc doing at a bar

1458
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 3: all the time?

1459
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: Is he the owner of the bar?

1460
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 7: Is that boss?

1461
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 3: I don't know? It was called Harold's Bar, Doc Harrold. Okay,

1462
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 3: So seven and a half flicks of the beer tab

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01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 3: from task out of ten, Trey, what do you got?

1464
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, you have to grade this on beers,

1465
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it. So I'm going sixteen out

1466
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 6: of twenty four cutters here, which is about about a

1467
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 6: seven out of ten, maybe a little bit less. I

1468
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 6: thought it was all about Afleck playing a role that

1469
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 6: is right in his wheelhouse. I also just like to

1470
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 6: see how much of a nineties basketball guy he was,

1471
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 6: because he comes in he says, big, guys, you're not

1472
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 6: shooting threes. You gotta play hero ball and shoot the

1473
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 6: last shot. We're pressing. We've got great fundamentals. I saw

1474
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 6: the high school safety doing lefty layups and up and under,

1475
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 6: so you know, you know, he's really drilling down there

1476
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 6: and I thought that that was the perfect sort of

1477
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 6: like boomer mentality because that's exactly what it's like in

1478
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 6: high school. So yeah, I'm at about about a seven

1479
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 6: of ten strictly for Affleck.

1480
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: Okay, nice, Okay, Judy.

1481
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna go on the beer scale as well,

1482
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 7: out of twenty four ice Cold Cutters and giving it

1483
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 7: a twenty, which puts me right in line with Rotten

1484
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 7: Tomatoes because I believe that it's eighty three point three

1485
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 7: three percent nice. But yeah, I like this movie. Again.

1486
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 7: It really tugged on my heart straight and I was

1487
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 7: in right from the beginning, and I thought he I

1488
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 7: thought Affleck was great, and I think it is hard

1489
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 7: to play drunk.

1490
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. I thought he nailed it.

1491
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 3: I think Kafflic was fantastic in this role. I liked

1492
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 3: the basketball scenes that were in there, Like you were saying,

1493
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: tast there wasn't too many of them, but they were

1494
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 3: all believable with what was going on, like the action

1495
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: and stuff like that in terms of high school basketball,

1496
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 3: so that was fair. I am like, you guys were

1497
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 3: right in the same ballpark. After talking about this a

1498
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 3: little bit more, I don't know, JD. You have this

1499
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 3: effect on me. I like hearing your insight on movies.

1500
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: It's gone up a little bit for me just while

1501
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: we sat down here over the last hour. So I

1502
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 3: am now going to go from seven shower beers out

1503
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 3: of ten to eight shower beers out of ten. By

1504
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 3: the way, runners out, there no nothing tastier than a

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: shower beer.

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01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 4: I am.

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01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 3: I'm not encouraging you to have a drink, but after

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01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 3: a long run, nothing like a shower beer. My god,

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 3: It's glorious. So eight out of ten, uh, sort of

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01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 3: right in the ballpark. It was a good movie. I

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01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: actually was dreading all day yesterday. I saved this till

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01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 3: Thursday to watch. I was just not in the mood

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01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: for this movie. I was like, I had no idea

1514
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: what to expect, but I was like, it can't be

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01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 3: that good, and kept putting it off, putting it off,

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01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 3: putting it off. It was pretty rainy, dreary day here

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01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, so that helped. But finally at night I'm like, Okay,

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01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 3: of course I got to watch this. It's like, Nora,

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 3: you want to watch it?

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01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 4: And I was.

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01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 3: I was in. I was in. Maybe it was because

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: I had my volume cranked up task. I don't know

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 3: it was coming through. Well, I'm a new a new speaker,

1524
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 3: a new soundbar. So I liked it. I did like

1525
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 3: this movie. I think it would have I think I

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01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 3: would have really, like I said, struggled with it if

1527
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 3: it was anyone else maybe in that role, or it

1528
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: couldn't have done a great of job as Affleck had done.

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01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 3: He carried it, no doubt. I mean, it was all

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 3: about him. So eight out of ten.

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01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a quick question here. Yeah, because

1532
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: we talked about watching this movie a few weeks back

1533
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: when it was only available for purchase. Yeah, it was

1534
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: twenty dollars, not a chance, not exactly. Yeah, nobody wanted

1535
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: to pony up twenty.

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 3: I've never, ever, ever, ever bought a movie for twenty

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01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 3: dollars through my TV.

1538
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: No, okay, yeah, I hear you, I hear you. So

1539
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,799
Speaker 1: we all were comfortable waiting for a few weeks rental

1540
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: price of six bucks flying. Everybody's cool with that, okay,

1541
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: But looking back, you know, JD gave it an eighty

1542
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: three point three three percent. Would you have paid twenty dollars.

1543
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 3: To see this?

1544
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 7: I'm glad I didn't pay twenty dollars so, I'll be honest,

1545
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 7: but I don't know. I do like buying movies because

1546
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 7: I like the extra features. I like to dip into

1547
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 7: the director's commentary and stuff like that.

1548
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: So they would would they would they throw in ben

1549
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: Afflecks breakdown.

1550
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 7: Oh that's a great question.

1551
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: Should go too. That's a little too.

1552
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 7: I think it's too personal. But but yeah, I mean,

1553
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 7: I think part of the reason I liked this movie

1554
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 7: was just the surprise of it. I had not seen

1555
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 7: any anything really other than other than Matt Austin saying

1556
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 7: it was dece.

1557
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 4: This.

1558
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 3: I mean, this movie came out really at the worst

1559
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 3: possible time. Yeah, Like it just came out just before

1560
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: the coronavirus pandemic really took hold in the States. I

1561
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 3: think it did all right on the opening weekend, and

1562
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 3: then of course plummeted like every other movie the next weekend.

1563
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 7: Is that right, jad I believe so?

1564
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1565
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah no? And then was it not even like

1566
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: forced early to video? Onder?

1567
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1568
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Did it? Did it go

1569
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: into theaters? Yeah?

1570
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 3: I did it? Did? I did see that.

1571
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: I thought they automatically or they immediately made the decision

1572
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: that we're going straight.

1573
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 3: To I'm pretty sure in mid March, early to mid March.

1574
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 3: It came out right, Yeah, so it's sort of like

1575
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: I said, it just beat it if you know, lack.

1576
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 7: Of a better term, it's it's gonna do like we

1577
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 7: got HBO Max coming. It's at Warner Brothers. They're gonna

1578
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 7: stick that right on there. It'll get it'll get seen hopefully.

1579
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. It did open early March in theaters.

1580
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: Does that help though? Does that help? Does just pushing

1581
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: it to to video on demand services earlier maybe give

1582
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: it a little bit more juice on the video.

1583
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 4: On demand maybe? Yeah?

1584
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: I mean people are home.

1585
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was like one of the first movies

1586
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 3: to be pushed like that, right, like, well, no one's

1587
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 3: going to movie theaters. No one should be going to

1588
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 3: movie theaters. So here it is. Yeah, maybe it did.

1589
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. We need something light though for our

1590
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 3: next film session. We need to we need, you know,

1591
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: to clean cleanse the palate a little bit. Something silly,

1592
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 3: something airbuttish, something dumb. So if you've got a suggestion

1593
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 3: for our next film session, let us know, you know,

1594
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 3: email us No dunks at the athlete dot Com, tweet

1595
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 3: at us at no Dunks, Inc. Lee is a particular

1596
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: basketball movie. I know you've been You've been Jones in

1597
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 3: a little bit for teen.

1598
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 4: Woolf Yeah, great, maybe, I mean.

1599
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 3: That's definitely an option. I think Edie's been wrecked mended

1600
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 3: a bunch of times from people with Wilberg as the

1601
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 3: next head coach. Possibility, I just thinking should be something silly.

1602
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would love to watch teen Wolf again.

1603
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 4: It was a great movie. Yeah, growing up, so I

1604
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 4: think we could have some fun with that.

1605
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 3: Would you watch that in the one sitting though, Yeah.

1606
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 4: Of course. I mean the man does a handstand on

1607
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 4: a moving vehicle down the street, I mean, and his

1608
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 4: dad sees him and just sort of shakes his head.

1609
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 4: He's not like, oh my, what are you doing up there? Done?

1610
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: Teen Wolf?

1611
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 5: Or is this a six dollar rental?

1612
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 4: No, I'd pay twenty dollars to watch this again just

1613
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 4: for Styles alone. Styles is great. He's the greatest character.

1614
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 7: That's the most eighties character name of all times.

1615
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 4: Perfect? All right in class, Maybe it's teen Wolf.

1616
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 3: We'll figure that out in the coming days. But again,

1617
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 3: if you've got a suggestion, let us know.

1618
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: No.

1619
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:54,879
Speaker 3: Dunk's at the play dot.

1620
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: Com all right, hold on, speaking of speaking, of styles, Trey,

1621
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: you got to go see the IMDb page for the

1622
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: way back photos at the premiere. You mentioned in your

1623
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: agree that Brendan would be sort of a standard dude

1624
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to dressing. Well, he pulls out a

1625
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: bit of a romper, bit of a something weird.

1626
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: Wow, you're not kidding. That is a that is a

1627
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 3: crazy look. There's like a hundred buttons on this What

1628
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 3: do you call it? I don't know.

1629
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: It looks like a Stepan, a stephan a on original Stefan.

1630
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

1631
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 2: love you guys, awesome.

1632
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: Extra joining us, and remember you want to know why

1633
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: they're leaving you open. It's because they don't think you

1634
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: can hit the ocean from the beach.

1635
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 3: Embrace the day people.

1636
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 4: You could stay.

1637
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 7: Every day and be happy. It's been so long.

1638
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 3: Don't wanna waiting for it's happening.

1639
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 4: Really, it's gonna be great. Lea