Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of
Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. This is Thinking Sideways the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Steve, as always, joined by Devon and Joe. Hello,
Speaker 1: and as always we're going to go ahead and look
Speaker 1: into a strange story that's well, we don't really know
Speaker 1: what the answer is. It's I think we call those mysteries.
Speaker 1: That is, what are the words that people use to
Speaker 1: describe it? Good call than you know. We had her
Speaker 1: on the show for a reason because I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a human thesaurus. I like I like Enigma better. Enigma
Speaker 1: is pretty good. It's pretty freaking a good one. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's hop right in, shall we. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: this story is a listeners suggestion, and we've gotten a
Speaker 1: lot of suggestions for folks and appreciate everybody's sending those in.
Speaker 1: I know we haven't gotten to many of them. We're
Speaker 1: working through room as we can, but we definitely appreciate them.
Speaker 1: So big thanks to Jonathan who sent us this one
Speaker 1: on Facebook. He uh, it's a weird story and it's
Speaker 1: really creepy, but I couldn't help myself. Well, and it's
Speaker 1: one of those ones. As much as you hate to
Speaker 1: say it is, like it's really popular right now, it is.
Speaker 1: It's a really popular mystery. I hear it's super popular
Speaker 1: in China. Yeah. Well, what we're gonna talk about everybody,
Speaker 1: and and probably the majority of you are already familiar
Speaker 1: with the story, is the death of Alyssa Lamb. Yeah, yep, alright,
Speaker 1: so let's just go ahead and we'll we'll start here,
Speaker 1: which Alyssa was one years old. She was Canadian. She
Speaker 1: was from Vancouver, British Columbia, and she was on vacation
Speaker 1: in California. She'd been traveling by herself. She had gone
Speaker 1: to l A. I don't remember what stop, what city
Speaker 1: she stopped in first, but she made her way to
Speaker 1: l A and then eventually she was going to make
Speaker 1: her way on down to Santa Cruz, which is kind
Speaker 1: of a nice vacation, you know, just hit kind of
Speaker 1: all the big spots in California. It's like a great
Speaker 1: trip to me. While she was in l A, Alyssa
Speaker 1: stayed at the Hotel Cecil, which is a low rent
Speaker 1: hotel which is on the edge of the area that's
Speaker 1: known as skid Row. That's kind of near it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, it's it's near it. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it's in skid Row. And for anybody who doesn't know
Speaker 1: what skid Row is, it's basically the part of town
Speaker 1: where you're down and out. Yeah. Although, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if you go on Google street View and actually look
Speaker 1: at the at the street, at the hotel is on,
Speaker 1: it's and and and zoom around a little bit. I
Speaker 1: love driving around in Google street View. Yeah, it's actually
Speaker 1: not bad. It's downtown l A. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: skid rows a few blocks of way, but you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was a pretty decent neighborhood. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seemed okay. Well, while she was on her trip, she
Speaker 1: had been great about contacting her parents, you know, via
Speaker 1: email and phone every day. On January thirty one, Alyssa
Speaker 1: didn't contact her parents, which was weird, and they never
Speaker 1: heard from her again. Obviously they were concerned. They raised alarm.
Speaker 1: They called the authorities. They got ahold of the l
Speaker 1: A Police who got involved. The police went to the hotel,
Speaker 1: they questioned the staff. They brought in dogs to check
Speaker 1: everything out because she obviously wasn't in her room. They
Speaker 1: found nothing. They brought in dogs. This is like right
Speaker 1: after the report of disappearance when they it was a
Speaker 1: couple of days later that they actually came to the
Speaker 1: hotel and brought dogs in. But yeah, and I've some
Speaker 1: of the accounts that I've read to say that the
Speaker 1: reason that the l A Police got right on this
Speaker 1: is because she's technically from another country. So that's really
Speaker 1: bad press when you have someone who's visiting your city
Speaker 1: from another country disappearing. So they kind of tried to
Speaker 1: pull out all the stops. They really did what they could,
Speaker 1: but they didn't come up with anything. Nothing was found. Yeah. Interesting,
Speaker 1: Like I said, that nobody ever heard from her again.
Speaker 1: The hotel staff said they had seen her, but didn't
Speaker 1: really know when the last time they had seen her.
Speaker 1: So she's gone a couple of days are a day
Speaker 1: or so later, they released some footage which we will
Speaker 1: link to on our website, and it's footage of her
Speaker 1: in the elevator of the hotel, and it's creepy. It's
Speaker 1: very creepy footage. She walks into the elevator, she pushes
Speaker 1: a bunch of buttons, she kind of stands in back.
Speaker 1: She peeks out, she hides in the elevator. What the
Speaker 1: what it's really reminiscent of to me is that, you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of hear it described or you read a
Speaker 1: description of it or whatever, and you think, well, that's
Speaker 1: not that weird. You know, she's pushing some buttons, she's
Speaker 1: like kind of hiding. But when you watch it, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, um, those really cheesy like activity where
Speaker 1: like people are doing human things, but not in in
Speaker 1: like a really contrived human way, Like it's not a
Speaker 1: human controlling them. That's exactly right, and it's really creepy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Her her movements are very erratically, really jerky. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: first thought that when I first saw the video, and
Speaker 1: I and you know, it's for my first time, I
Speaker 1: thought she was goofing around. Yeah, and then you start
Speaker 1: watching you realize she's not playing around. Something else is happening.
Speaker 1: At about the two minute mark, she walks out of
Speaker 1: the elevator. She's barely visible in the camera and she
Speaker 1: makes some kind of straight hand gestures for about thirty
Speaker 1: seconds to a minute. And that's the part that really
Speaker 1: like got me. The way she moves her limbs during
Speaker 1: that time is like I don't. Yeah, well, you know, Actually,
Speaker 1: to me, what it looks like is that there's somebody
Speaker 1: standing outside the elevator to the right of the elevator,
Speaker 1: and she's talking to that person and gesturing to him
Speaker 1: in like a really uncomfortable way. And then I could
Speaker 1: see some of that. But what what was weird to
Speaker 1: me is the way she was moving her arms in
Speaker 1: her hands, almost in a rhythmic fashion. At one point
Speaker 1: I kind of wondered if she was dancing. It had
Speaker 1: been talked about that she had been going to clubs
Speaker 1: and stuff, so maybe she was doing some dance. She
Speaker 1: had seen it. It almost had that feel to it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: that's not's what she was doing, right, because of everything else,
Speaker 1: and when you put it all into context, that's not it.
Speaker 1: But it's it's really strange. Here's the strangest part. The
Speaker 1: whole time that she's doing this, she's pushed the button,
Speaker 1: she's hiding, she's poking her head out, she jumps out
Speaker 1: of the elevator, she's waving arms. Room never closed, which
Speaker 1: is why I suspect there was somebody standing outside and
Speaker 1: holding down the call button. Oh you think so, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I mean, what else would cousin to
Speaker 1: stay open elevators malfunction all the time. This elevator actually
Speaker 1: worked pretty well. I mean once she got out of
Speaker 1: it and whoever was holding down the call button let
Speaker 1: it go. Then the elevator took off and did this
Speaker 1: thing and it worked just fine. That's true because the
Speaker 1: rest of the footage just showed the elevator going to
Speaker 1: the other floors exactly, and you see her before the
Speaker 1: door is closed. She just walks away. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I hate I'm like, I'm getting like likes like just
Speaker 1: thinking about it because it's just you know again, it's
Speaker 1: just it looks like one of those cheesy things like
Speaker 1: if somebody was just like, hey, watching this video, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, wow, this is a horrible horror movie. Like
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with the low budget horror movie. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: totally looks like one of those like parallenal activity sort
Speaker 1: of things that Blair Witch projects something and then you
Speaker 1: put it in context of like this is a real
Speaker 1: girl having doing these things for real that she died
Speaker 1: because reepy, that's exactly it. That's this is the last
Speaker 1: that footage is the last recording of her alive, which
Speaker 1: is just it's uncomfortable. And this is where it gets
Speaker 1: even more uncomfortable for this story, which is for two weeks,
Speaker 1: residents at the hotel had noticed bad water pressure, that
Speaker 1: the water was quote unquote black, smelled funny, and had
Speaker 1: an odd sweet taste to it on the nine February,
Speaker 1: which is I'm sorry, I feel like we have to
Speaker 1: do a sidebar here because of like, hey, this water
Speaker 1: is black, better drink it to see what it tastes like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why nobody complained. That's I think they did.
Speaker 1: In the early accounts. They there were people they did
Speaker 1: interviews or they were like we watched complaints. You know
Speaker 1: that it started out tasting kind of funny and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe it's nothing, and then like it smelled a little funny,
Speaker 1: and then it got like a gross color and it
Speaker 1: got really bad, and that people were kind of lodging complaints. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the things about it is
Speaker 1: about l A is the water. They're it really tastes
Speaker 1: like crap, it's gross. And so if you've got people
Speaker 1: like coming in from out of town, their tourist and
Speaker 1: they're saying, hey, the water tastes like crap, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go hey, you know, dude, welcome. So maybe that was it. Maybe.
Speaker 1: But the nineteenth of February they finally give in and
Speaker 1: the hotel sends a maintenance worker up to the roof
Speaker 1: to inspect the water tanks that are on the roof.
Speaker 1: And they have four large water tanks up there. They
Speaker 1: are four ft across and eight foot tall, so they're
Speaker 1: they're pretty big. Um. And when he got up there
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was causing the problem, he
Speaker 1: found the naked body of Alyssa in one of the tanks. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so he cleared it out and got everything cleaned up.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely not the exact opposite. This is where the
Speaker 1: story really hit the news is you know, they had
Speaker 1: to send the fire department up there to cut open
Speaker 1: the tank and get her out. There was all this
Speaker 1: stuff about was there, you know, bad biological particles in
Speaker 1: the water, which turns out all the chlorine was basically eliminating. Um.
Speaker 1: But here's here's the really weird thing. If you guys
Speaker 1: have seen and if anybody, if you want to go
Speaker 1: look at the photos, they're all over the internet. If
Speaker 1: you look at the photos of the roof, of the
Speaker 1: hotel cecil. It's not easy to get to those water tanks.
Speaker 1: You've you've got to kind of go up this embankments
Speaker 1: the wrong word. But there's a rise where the tanks are,
Speaker 1: and then there's no ladders on the tanks. Plus to
Speaker 1: get up there, you would have to go through an
Speaker 1: alarmed door that's locked, and then unless fire unless you
Speaker 1: want up the fire escape. I'm not sure if the
Speaker 1: alarm would go off if you got on the fire
Speaker 1: escape or not. All right, well, it sounded like you
Speaker 1: had to do both. I I can never get it straight.
Speaker 1: Whereas you had to go through this alarm door and
Speaker 1: then go up a separate piece of fire escape to
Speaker 1: get up there. I can never quite get clarity. I
Speaker 1: don't think some mean, if you look at the roof,
Speaker 1: there's that little boxy sort of house looking thing there
Speaker 1: next to the tanks, and there appears to be a
Speaker 1: door on that something. I'm assuming the stairwell goes all
Speaker 1: the way up to the top and there's a doorway out,
Speaker 1: But that's the one that's got the Often places like
Speaker 1: that we'll have in order to see you have a
Speaker 1: ladder that you have to go up to like a
Speaker 1: door the basically like a gate, and then you go
Speaker 1: through the gate and there's that last little staircase. But
Speaker 1: the gate is alarmed often, and then that last door
Speaker 1: isn't alarmed. That That's just that was my understanding of
Speaker 1: it in my mind, that there was a and here's something.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. The hotel is obviously not going to
Speaker 1: put out diagrams of how to get up onto their
Speaker 1: roof because they don't want to out there. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It appears to me, I've got some pictures of the
Speaker 1: hotel and there's numerous fire escapes on it, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like they're gated off from the roofs much
Speaker 1: to me, like you could actually climb right up there,
Speaker 1: like like from the street. Uh No, typically fire for
Speaker 1: that reason, room, Yeah, yeah, for that reason. I mean
Speaker 1: they don't. They always have the extendable ladders, but obviously
Speaker 1: to prevent bombs from climbing up your fire escape and
Speaker 1: breaking windows and everything. But yeah, but it appears that
Speaker 1: she could have climbed up the fire escape and up
Speaker 1: there without being detected. Okay, so she could, but still
Speaker 1: getting into the tank different, right, because the tanks are
Speaker 1: like on a platform, right, and then there's no ladder
Speaker 1: on the tanks, and then the lids of the tanks
Speaker 1: are like crazy heavy. Right. No, No, there's like there's
Speaker 1: an access the once she was in was there was
Speaker 1: a sixteen in access. Yeah, square slider, flip open hatch.
Speaker 1: But we're going to get into the hatch a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But here's here's a couple of other things
Speaker 1: that I want to talk about before we we get
Speaker 1: too far into that is that when they got her
Speaker 1: body out, it showed no obvious signs of trauma. And
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, not including postmortem trauma from bouncing
Speaker 1: around in a water tank. And then there's the fact
Speaker 1: that the autopsy and the toxicology reports showed that she
Speaker 1: wasn't under the influence of drugs. She evidently wasn't. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like dead before she got in there, because
Speaker 1: no harm seems to have been done to her prior
Speaker 1: to her entering the water tank, and her lives were
Speaker 1: filled with water, So and and did you find that
Speaker 1: for sure? Because I could never see anything. And then
Speaker 1: and I've seen some stuff that said it was there
Speaker 1: water in her lungs, and they there was water in
Speaker 1: their lungs and so that led some people to say
Speaker 1: she drowned. But at the same time, the corridor said
Speaker 1: cause of death is unknown, which means it water can
Speaker 1: get into her longs just from being in the water
Speaker 1: for a couple and that was that was the thing
Speaker 1: that well, here's the here's the official cause of death.
Speaker 1: The official cause of death is though they initially thought
Speaker 1: it was foul play, they changed it to accidental drowning
Speaker 1: with mental illness playing a significant role. There are so
Speaker 1: many questions, Oh, I know, and that's exactly right. There's
Speaker 1: a ton of questions and I had when I started
Speaker 1: researching this. I don't normally do this normally. I just
Speaker 1: kind of worked my way through it and log everything.
Speaker 1: I read this story two or three times and wrote
Speaker 1: down about a dozen or two questions that I needed answered.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're gonna go through. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: through my questions this time. That's interesting because for me,
Speaker 1: when I read this story the first time, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know she was on drugs. And then I was like, no,
Speaker 1: no toxicality. And I was like, okay, well, yeah, she
Speaker 1: was mentally ill. And then I like, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: let it go I guess you know, so I I
Speaker 1: just kept reading it, and the more I read, the
Speaker 1: more questions I had. It wasn't It was not one
Speaker 1: of those cases where I find out more information and
Speaker 1: I'm satisfied. I just have more questions and yeah it's
Speaker 1: and there's there's just so many stinking questions. Yeah it's
Speaker 1: it's It's one of those frustrating things like the woman
Speaker 1: in Norway who was murdered, you know, the other way.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I want to get away from the
Speaker 1: Internet and actually just go to Norway and look at
Speaker 1: the police files. You know, you say with this, if
Speaker 1: we could go look at the l An report. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's one big question I have, which is which is like,
Speaker 1: you know, the rumor of rocketing around the internet is
Speaker 1: that her clothes were never found. But I don't know
Speaker 1: what that's true because and we're gonna get into that again.
Speaker 1: These are things that I've gone through, and I've got
Speaker 1: my list and we're gonna we're gonna check it twice
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna go through all of these. So
Speaker 1: the first question that I wanted to know was based
Speaker 1: on this whole story and everything about the hotel and
Speaker 1: all the reports that we've heard is why did she
Speaker 1: stay at the hotel El Cecil. Yeah, good question. Yeah, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many natural places to stay in l A. Closer,
Speaker 1: so much closer to all the cool tourist attractions. Also cheaper, right,
Speaker 1: they're cheaper places than the equivalent. Yeah, yes, but it's
Speaker 1: not I mean, you know, it's not like it's the cheapest.
Speaker 1: It's also not like it's the nicest of the price point.
Speaker 1: You know. Obviously she wasn't familiar with l A. She
Speaker 1: just she got downtown l A. I'll be right in
Speaker 1: the heart of things. But l A is a city
Speaker 1: unlike most cities. Yeah, here's the thing is that when
Speaker 1: you read some of the stuff on the hotel's website,
Speaker 1: they build themselves as a European style hotel. That's great
Speaker 1: for travelers on a budget. Have you noticed something about
Speaker 1: those guys by the way they changed their name who
Speaker 1: the Hotel Cecil. If you go out, if you do
Speaker 1: a google on Hotel Cecil Los Angeles and Lincoln, come up,
Speaker 1: says hotel Cecil dot com. You click on that, and
Speaker 1: if you look at the U R L it says
Speaker 1: stay on Maine dot com. And you look at the
Speaker 1: logo there, it says stay on me in hotel. It's
Speaker 1: got the same addresss a hotel CC, but it says
Speaker 1: it's stay on Maine dot com. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, Apparently
Speaker 1: apparently they're tired of being, you know, branded as you know,
Speaker 1: the place where people get murdered and stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you bring that up, because that hotel
Speaker 1: has quite a checkered pass a little bit, alright, So
Speaker 1: let's run through this. Uh So, the hotel was built
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties and it was gonna be this big, opulent,
Speaker 1: beautiful hotel and it was immediately outdone by other hotels.
Speaker 1: Plus the neighborhood it was in fell into hard times
Speaker 1: and the people that were that we're staying there weren't
Speaker 1: the nicest group. There were robberies, there were murders, There
Speaker 1: were people who were This I believe was from the
Speaker 1: forties to somewhere in the sixties of seventies. It was
Speaker 1: notorious for people to go to and jump out the
Speaker 1: window and commit suicide. Is there, I guess I wonder,
Speaker 1: well we're talking about this, is there any record of
Speaker 1: her being kind of like a ghost hunter, like interested
Speaker 1: in any kind of like weirdness, because this seems like
Speaker 1: the kind of place you would go and stay if
Speaker 1: you were interested in like places that had kind of
Speaker 1: sorted past things that I could pick up from her
Speaker 1: tumbler page. I didn't get that impression, because she did
Speaker 1: have a tumbler website that she updated constantly while she
Speaker 1: was on vacation and put up a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: but I never saw anything. There's one famous example of
Speaker 1: a woman by the name of Pauline I believe is
Speaker 1: what her name is. She evidently decided that she had
Speaker 1: had enough and was gonna was gonna end her own
Speaker 1: life and jumped out the window on October twelve, n two. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: she landed on George Gianni killed them both. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is one of many suicides that are notorious. There's all
Speaker 1: these people. A woman I can't remember her name now
Speaker 1: got into a fight with her husband. They obviously had
Speaker 1: drinking issues. She threw herself out the window. The hotel
Speaker 1: itself was this is the best part. Also had some
Speaker 1: really famous people stay at it. More likely infamous is
Speaker 1: probably the better word to use, because there's Richard Ramirez,
Speaker 1: who was known as the night Stalker who raped and
Speaker 1: killed thirteen women in and Jack Underwerker I believe it's
Speaker 1: how you pronounce his name. Yes, in one stayed there
Speaker 1: as well. He also killed three prostitutes. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: we've got some really great people staying here. You know you,
Speaker 1: did you ever stop to think that maybe at least
Speaker 1: a land what's a serial killer? I don't think that's
Speaker 1: it worked that way. Well, okay, so we've got all
Speaker 1: these bad vibes to say, energy, bad energy from the hotel. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the theories that I got was that the
Speaker 1: hotel is haunted by evil spirits. Well, it's actually more
Speaker 1: like the movie dark Water. If you've ever seen the
Speaker 1: movie Dark Water, this is a movie where a little
Speaker 1: girl drowns in the water tank on the top of
Speaker 1: the building and then it infects the room directly underneath it.
Speaker 1: It's a super creepy movie. And isn't the hotel in
Speaker 1: that called the Cecilia Hotel? I think there's a cha Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, it's a character's the daughter in
Speaker 1: the movie named Cecilia. But still yeah, yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a coincidence. I I logged this under coincidence,
Speaker 1: But creepy, creepy coincidence. Yeah, so we've got that creepy fact. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fun and games here, ladies and gentlemen. So here's the
Speaker 1: next question. Why didn't they find her in the initial search?
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got dogs, Yeah, why can't you find
Speaker 1: this girl? And it's only a couple of days. It's
Speaker 1: only a couple of days, So why couldn't you find
Speaker 1: your trail, especially up in the roof. I can understand it,
Speaker 1: like in the lobby, in the in the corridors of
Speaker 1: the hotel, and there's lots of other people walking around
Speaker 1: on the roof. But you know, one possible theory is
Speaker 1: that they the search took place when it would have
Speaker 1: been a couple of days later. So I think on
Speaker 1: the thirty feet maybe, or the first of the I'm
Speaker 1: guessing February one, because that's when they released the photo
Speaker 1: or the footage from her being in the elevator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean, who knows, Maybe her body was not
Speaker 1: yet in the in the water tank at that time. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but at that time it was really cold and windy out.
Speaker 1: Which the way a dog's nose works is it follows
Speaker 1: what they call a scent cone. So you leave a
Speaker 1: trail of scent and it it spreads out behind you.
Speaker 1: But if it's really windy, gets blown away, the scent
Speaker 1: is harder to pick up. Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1: And so that that's the reasoning that I've seen from
Speaker 1: a lot of site. There a lot of places that
Speaker 1: say why they didn't track her. They were on the roof,
Speaker 1: The police dogs were on the roof the first time
Speaker 1: they looked for her, and they didn't find her path,
Speaker 1: which again leads to some questions of well did she
Speaker 1: walk when she carried? What's the deal? But again, I
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you hadn't made her to the
Speaker 1: roof by that point in time. Yeah, you could be right,
Speaker 1: she might have been hold up somewhere else. But that's weird.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that right now. Okay, Well, she's
Speaker 1: not in the water tank. That's weird that she's not
Speaker 1: in a room and she's somewhere else and then somebody
Speaker 1: brings her back and the courses her stuffs her into
Speaker 1: the water tank. That it's a lot of work and
Speaker 1: very unusual. No, I don't I don't get it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and wrestling somebody into a water tank
Speaker 1: and a roof would be a tricky thing to do,
Speaker 1: especially when it's a sixteen inch hole and you're pushing
Speaker 1: them through and trying not to and you managed to
Speaker 1: do it with about banging them up. Well exactly because
Speaker 1: she wasn't all marked up. She would have. She would
Speaker 1: have been supermarked, SuperM at least somewhat marked up. So I,
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's weird. The next question, what
Speaker 1: is up with the elevator footage? Like? What what is
Speaker 1: going on there? Is? Is what I'm saying, because it's
Speaker 1: just like we said before, it's so weird and I
Speaker 1: it's so creepy to watch her movements and the way
Speaker 1: she's acting when she's in there, and this is not nice.
Speaker 1: And I will say this up front, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: This was my first initial reaction when I fall saw
Speaker 1: the footage when it first broke. This is before any
Speaker 1: of the reports came back. I think, I think you
Speaker 1: might think I think I showed it to you. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I thought, and I think I told you it's like, well,
Speaker 1: she's on trunks, that girl's high. That's told me what's
Speaker 1: going on. I think that was Actually, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's the exactly, maybe was having a manic episode. Two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's but it's just it's so weird. And and then
Speaker 1: when we got the toxicology report back to say there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing in her system. There's no drugs, no alcohol,
Speaker 1: nothing that they can detect in her system. Was so
Speaker 1: obviously not high on drugs, but maybe having a manic episode. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I know you Joe and I had had briefly talked
Speaker 1: about this is I still don't understand why the elevator
Speaker 1: doors never closed. Yeah, and you you had a theory
Speaker 1: on that, Yeah, I mean I I suspect that there
Speaker 1: was probably somebody standing outside in the corridors, out of
Speaker 1: view of the camera, who was holding down the call button,
Speaker 1: which would cause the doors to remain open. Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you see when she when she pops out of
Speaker 1: the elevate, comes out of the elevator, and she's sort
Speaker 1: of talking and gesticulating to the right side of the
Speaker 1: right side of the elevator. It looks like she's talking
Speaker 1: to a person. And interestingly enough, you never see that person.
Speaker 1: You never so much as reaches his hand end around
Speaker 1: to hold that door shut. Instead, he uses the button
Speaker 1: to do it, which believes me to believe he was,
Speaker 1: if this person existed, was aware of the existence of
Speaker 1: that security camera. Yeah. And also, you know, interestingly, also
Speaker 1: there's no other security camera footage anywhere in that hotel.
Speaker 1: Apparently they only had security footage in the elevator and
Speaker 1: nowhere else, which is kind of strange. You would think
Speaker 1: if they would have more than one security camera, you
Speaker 1: were sure, Yeah, but apparently most places do. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: stayed in there where ever, you know, fifty ft or
Speaker 1: whatever in the ceiling. Yeah, I saw. You had another
Speaker 1: whiff of an internet rumors um quote from some guy
Speaker 1: who had worked there as a security guard. He said
Speaker 1: that that most of the security cameras just didn't work,
Speaker 1: and and he had a lot of Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: some other scathing things to say about about security in
Speaker 1: the place. But anyway, so you know, it makes me
Speaker 1: wonder if there wasn't somebody else out there, well, because
Speaker 1: what else would have made those doors stay open? Well,
Speaker 1: And here's the thing I wondered about is when you
Speaker 1: watch her get into the elevator the first time time,
Speaker 1: and she bends over and she looks at the buttons
Speaker 1: and she punches a bunch of bunch of buttons at once.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if she hit the door button to
Speaker 1: open the doors, which would delay them from closing, and
Speaker 1: then she walks out of the elevator, and then she
Speaker 1: walks back in and she does it again. It's you know,
Speaker 1: but they stay open for much longer than you expect. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't. It wouldn't be from just pushing that.
Speaker 1: But you know the way those elevators, they're like open
Speaker 1: door elevator buttons work as you hold them down. You
Speaker 1: don't just like push them, and they like open for
Speaker 1: a set amount of time. You got to hold them down,
Speaker 1: at least in my experience with elevators, hold it. And
Speaker 1: I guess it's possible that she could have hit like
Speaker 1: the emergency button, you know, that would Here's the other
Speaker 1: thing is whenever you see the photos of her, she's
Speaker 1: wearing glasses. Yeah, she has no glasses on when she's
Speaker 1: in the elevator, which and this became kind of a
Speaker 1: sticking point for me because when you watch the footage,
Speaker 1: she clearly bends over and gets her face really close
Speaker 1: to that panel, like she's having a hard time seeing.
Speaker 1: So I almost wondered if when she was outside of
Speaker 1: the elevator and she's waving her hands. I almost wonder
Speaker 1: if she can't really see where she is and she's
Speaker 1: in a weird method trying to feel around. I gotta
Speaker 1: be honest with you, all the pictures I've seen of her, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's wearing glasses, but they don't look like they're like
Speaker 1: particularly thick. It's not like she's literally bat blind like
Speaker 1: she You know, I could be wrong because you can't
Speaker 1: technically tell, but it's not like she's got giant eyes
Speaker 1: or like bottle cap lenses. They just look like like
Speaker 1: a small prescription or like a you know, medium prescription.
Speaker 1: You know, she would be able to find a wall.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and again I don't I don't know. These
Speaker 1: are just I've got to wonder if maybe that's what's
Speaker 1: going on. Here's the next one, and I know we've
Speaker 1: we've already briefly talked about this is how did she
Speaker 1: get on that roof? Okay, well, you guys have both
Speaker 1: said that it looks like it's possible that she could
Speaker 1: have got there via the fire escape the door itself
Speaker 1: from the inside of the hotel. Like I said before,
Speaker 1: was alarmed, and there was no record of the alarm
Speaker 1: having been set or set off, which means that theoretically,
Speaker 1: either she didn't go through that door or somebody with
Speaker 1: access went through the door ahead of time or with her. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's weird overall. I know we've
Speaker 1: talked about you know, it's a it's a small opening
Speaker 1: to the water tank. Right. So there's there's a couple
Speaker 1: of theories that I've come across, and I think some
Speaker 1: of these are just kind of Acam's razor conjecture theories.
Speaker 1: If if that makes sense, it's well, I guess it's
Speaker 1: got to be this. The first one is that it
Speaker 1: was employee air. This theory runs that she didn't set
Speaker 1: off the alarm because some hotel employee had gone through
Speaker 1: the door at some point before her and didn't rearm it.
Speaker 1: Now this is this is this is assuming that you
Speaker 1: arm and disarm it at the door and not somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So it felt like a keypad where you wave through
Speaker 1: and let you through and then you go back out.
Speaker 1: Maybe they it is that in the doors didn't shut
Speaker 1: all the way right. Yeah, I guess this is like
Speaker 1: one of those instances where people in California, I hate
Speaker 1: to generalize, but like to smoke, and people in the
Speaker 1: service industry particular, like you know, go up and have
Speaker 1: a cigarette, go up on the roof, have a cigarette.
Speaker 1: A lot of places, especially in a kind of place
Speaker 1: where like your security cameras maybe don't work. You just
Speaker 1: unplugged the alarm, yeah, and unlocked the door, right, the
Speaker 1: door is still probably locked. Unlocked the door walk out,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you have it. Maybe it's night and
Speaker 1: you have it like propped open because there's no way
Speaker 1: to unlock it from the outside. Who knows, and she
Speaker 1: sneaks out while you're out there for all we know.
Speaker 1: You know that. But I think it's it's likely that
Speaker 1: it's one of those ones that you can just disconnect it.
Speaker 1: It's unlikely to me that it's so high tech that
Speaker 1: it's it's probably not some crazy Yeah, it's probably a
Speaker 1: key lock. Yeah. Well yeah, and it's like obviously it
Speaker 1: can be a magnetic key, because they would have a
Speaker 1: record of who opened that door. Yeah, that's a very
Speaker 1: good point, thank you. I hadn't even thought about that. Well,
Speaker 1: that's saying that their system recognizes that, and it just
Speaker 1: doesn't recognize a fallout in general to being swiped but
Speaker 1: you know, this theory, if we run with it, is
Speaker 1: saying that, Okay, somebody went through and left the door
Speaker 1: open and then realize their mistake and came back later
Speaker 1: and either a just shut the door or be went
Speaker 1: up there, found a pile of clothes on the roof,
Speaker 1: couldn't find anybody, took them, shut the door and chucked them,
Speaker 1: so they didn't get in trouble. I you know, I
Speaker 1: doubt that though, because I mean I think that if
Speaker 1: you went out there the door, the doorway to the roof,
Speaker 1: the access door is on the opposite side. There's like
Speaker 1: a structure on the top there, and the water tanks
Speaker 1: are on one side of it, and the doorway to
Speaker 1: the roof is on the other to the far side
Speaker 1: of that. I would think that if you went up
Speaker 1: there to close that door, just wanted to smoke a
Speaker 1: cigarette whatever, you probably wouldn't go looking for any you know,
Speaker 1: look searching the roof. You probably would just lock the
Speaker 1: door and go back to your well. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that if this person goes back says, oops, crud,
Speaker 1: I left this opener I found, Oh I didn't lock
Speaker 1: it when I go we just make sure nobody's up
Speaker 1: here before I shut the door on them and lock
Speaker 1: them up. That's entirely possible. If they found clothes, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they take them, but well, you know,
Speaker 1: if if you're on if you're not on good terms
Speaker 1: with your employer, and you don't want to get in trouble,
Speaker 1: you might just sweep something under the rug. I think that. So,
Speaker 1: is it confirmed that they did not find your clothes? Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's something I can't get a handle. I I
Speaker 1: don't have an answer for that. Uh, and we'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and we'll we'll we'll just talk about that right now.
Speaker 1: She's found naked in the water tank. I don't find
Speaker 1: any official reports that say that they found her close.
Speaker 1: I've been on some forums where they've really hashed through
Speaker 1: a lot of this story, and people on those forums
Speaker 1: are saying that they found her clothes in the water tank,
Speaker 1: but it's never I can never get it corroborated with
Speaker 1: an official report of any kind, which I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not poo pooing forums at all, But unfortunately, if I
Speaker 1: can't track down an official source, I can't say that
Speaker 1: that's really what happened. Sure, and I guess you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking that it may have been so wendy that
Speaker 1: dogs could not pick up ascent on the roof. Right.
Speaker 1: So if she, let's just say, for instance, if she
Speaker 1: was like I'm going to go for a swim, because
Speaker 1: she wasn't in her right mind, and took all her
Speaker 1: clothes off and left them on top of the water
Speaker 1: tower and go into the water tower, her clothes could
Speaker 1: have ostensibly blown away. Somebody could have found him in
Speaker 1: the street. You know, she was having a manic episode.
Speaker 1: You could have torn her clothes up and just flung
Speaker 1: him over the side of the roof tip yeah, or
Speaker 1: or it's possible. Um. And this actually kind of runs
Speaker 1: into our next theory is if the water system is
Speaker 1: so stopped up, the clothes drifted into the clothes might
Speaker 1: have been sucked into the system because if you see
Speaker 1: her in the footage, she looks like she's wearing basically
Speaker 1: some basketball shorts a hoodie and made it for a skirt.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean, whether it's shorts or a skirt,
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of material. So these things could
Speaker 1: have easily been pulled into the system. Maybe not the
Speaker 1: flip flops, but again, I have no idea what has
Speaker 1: happened to her clothing? They yeah, they found him in
Speaker 1: the tank. That would support the idea that she climbed
Speaker 1: in for she fell in, climbed in whatever, was trying
Speaker 1: to pull herself back out. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys, have you guys ever gone swimming fully clothed? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: you know how hard it is? Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's like, so she's trying to pull herself up
Speaker 1: and out of the water and through that hole again
Speaker 1: and realizing her clothes are really weighing her down, so
Speaker 1: she might have like taken them off, and maybe she
Speaker 1: was desperately trying to get back up and out of
Speaker 1: that hole. Well, and that that would make sense, But
Speaker 1: again I don't know, I have no idea where closed
Speaker 1: are um, So let's uh the whole thing with her
Speaker 1: clothes though, and and what happened to him do still
Speaker 1: lead to the second theory that I've got here or
Speaker 1: another theory which is from the same forum that I
Speaker 1: found the information about her um her clothes being in
Speaker 1: the water tank. These same places I've also found theories
Speaker 1: that said that she met with foul play from either
Speaker 1: an employee or a resident of the building who was
Speaker 1: in with the employees and knew how things work. Because
Speaker 1: the thing to remember is that there are people who
Speaker 1: permanently live in that hotel because they rent rooms by
Speaker 1: the week, and so it's these people get their weekly
Speaker 1: I don't know, Medicaid or whatever support check it might be,
Speaker 1: and it's very cheap to live there, so I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna live in this one room and they stay there.
Speaker 1: So it could be that somebody who lived their long term,
Speaker 1: which means they would know the ins and outs of
Speaker 1: the hotel, could have been the one that lured who
Speaker 1: are up to the roof and knew how to get
Speaker 1: through the door, get up there without setting the alarm off.
Speaker 1: And then this is where things get a little hinky,
Speaker 1: is then coerced her into the tank and then they
Speaker 1: hauled their clothes away somehow. Yeah, so somehow co coerced
Speaker 1: or tricked or something like that. Yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is this is the thing is that if there's a
Speaker 1: second person, I don't understand how they talked her into
Speaker 1: getting into the water tank. Yeah. I don't get that either.
Speaker 1: I mean it could have been it could have been
Speaker 1: one of those things where you know, Hey, we're not
Speaker 1: supposed to be up here. Hey, somebody's coming. We better
Speaker 1: hide quick down that hatch. There's a you guys have
Speaker 1: watched the newer Sherlock series, right, I have not. I
Speaker 1: hear it's good. So there's a whole episode it's called
Speaker 1: The Lady in Pink, about a serial killer who gets
Speaker 1: his victims to take a poison capsule themselves and kill themselves.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, granted that's a TV show
Speaker 1: and it's based on Sherlock. You know, especially if this
Speaker 1: girl is not totally in her right mind or under
Speaker 1: your rest of some kind, or if she's running right,
Speaker 1: maybe she thinks that's a great place to hide. You know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't realize that it's a water tank and that
Speaker 1: she's not going to be able to get back out.
Speaker 1: She may not realize if it's dark, she might not
Speaker 1: realize how far down the water is, and you might
Speaker 1: hang herself, you know. I mean, think about it. And
Speaker 1: I think Joe started this is that you get into
Speaker 1: a body of water, You get into a pool, and
Speaker 1: like a swimming pool, and the water is only three
Speaker 1: inches above the level, or the top is above the water.
Speaker 1: It's not too hard to pull yourself out. You double
Speaker 1: that distance, and that's six inches from the water to
Speaker 1: the platform. That's a little bit of harder now think
Speaker 1: about it. It's a foot or two above your head. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also you know that if you have room to
Speaker 1: work with, what you can sort of like lever yourself
Speaker 1: up and splay your elbows out and everything like that.
Speaker 1: You know, she had this little tiny opening. Well, and
Speaker 1: let's think about the fact she's about my size. Actually,
Speaker 1: she was a little taller and a little skinnier than
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, she's a hundred pounds. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: two inches taller than I am. And we don't need
Speaker 1: to talk about how much that I am. I know
Speaker 1: I'm not. I know it's shocking, but you know, I
Speaker 1: am not in horrible shape, but I'm not in great shape.
Speaker 1: I couldn't pull myself out of something like that with
Speaker 1: just my upper body strength, no way. And looking at
Speaker 1: her and looking at pictures of her, even I think
Speaker 1: in like a life or death situation, there's only so
Speaker 1: much your body can do. I don't know that even
Speaker 1: if the water was if she could get an armhold
Speaker 1: or you know, like any kind of anything like that,
Speaker 1: just using body s dring. Yeah, it would be very hard.
Speaker 1: And the whole problem with this, this theory too, is
Speaker 1: that if that had been the way she went, she
Speaker 1: found herself trapped in here in the water and she
Speaker 1: couldn't get out, they would have found damage to her fingers.
Speaker 1: She would have spent the rest of her the rest
Speaker 1: of her life before she drowned, clawing at the sides
Speaker 1: of the tank. That's true. Additionally, I guess you think
Speaker 1: of if they were doing a search like two days after,
Speaker 1: like you could easily survive in there for two days. Well,
Speaker 1: it depends it was really cold, So that means the
Speaker 1: water is cold. How cold? Um, I'm gonna guess if
Speaker 1: they were, I'm going to guess fifty degrees. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: gets l a in January, does get kind of chilling.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, so I don't know. Fifty degrees maybe
Speaker 1: a little less with wind chill in the Have you
Speaker 1: ever spent an extended about a period extended period of
Speaker 1: time and water and and now that's how it starts
Speaker 1: to just suck at your body. I guess that's true. Yeah, hypothermia.
Speaker 1: What actually said? Yeah, well it's and I think I
Speaker 1: know where you're going with this devon is that you
Speaker 1: hear these stories of people who are in the ocean
Speaker 1: for days and freezing cold water and they somehow survive.
Speaker 1: But a lot of those people have something to hang
Speaker 1: onto to float, so they don't have to put out
Speaker 1: the energy to keep their head above water. Well, humans
Speaker 1: do float for the most part, for the most part.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, I guess, I think,
Speaker 1: I kind of think. Ostensibly, I guess two days later,
Speaker 1: she could have still been alive. It's possible, but hard people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know, the thing is, and here's the other
Speaker 1: hard part, and this is this is what's damning for
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles police, is they were on the rough
Speaker 1: and I've heard reports that one of them looked and
Speaker 1: looked in the water tank and shut the lid. Really,
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything, now that I think it's the
Speaker 1: chief of the Los Angeles Police said, Listen, it's an
Speaker 1: eight foot deep tank with a sixteen inch hole. If
Speaker 1: it's full of water and there's a body on the bottom,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to see that. So I cannot fault
Speaker 1: anybody for not seeing that. If that, if she was
Speaker 1: there at that time, I would say that if anything,
Speaker 1: if anything, you've got to give the guy credit for
Speaker 1: actually going out there and looking at the tank. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have Yeah, well, those tanks are hard to get
Speaker 1: up into, right you here not a place you know? Actually,
Speaker 1: I mean something has been made of that that they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, eight ten ft tall there? And and how
Speaker 1: how did she get up there? Yeah, there's some talk
Speaker 1: about how hard it was for the firefighters get up
Speaker 1: there to get well here, Well, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get your body out, but actually it's in terms
Speaker 1: of getting up there, it wouldn't be that hard. Let
Speaker 1: me show you. Let me show you a picture of
Speaker 1: the tanks on the roof that we've seen these photos.
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Do you see the guard rail
Speaker 1: next to the tank? That is true, next to one
Speaker 1: of the sets of tanks. That is the tank she's in.
Speaker 1: But you have to wonder what the distance between those.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like it's like right next to it.
Speaker 1: Um couple. It's plausible that she could have stood on
Speaker 1: the rail, leaned over and got off up, swung herself up.
Speaker 1: I I will, I will agree with Joe. It's that
Speaker 1: she could have gotten herself up there. That Yeah, I was,
Speaker 1: I was not going to disagree with that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say the distance from the top of that rail
Speaker 1: to the top of the tank is three or four
Speaker 1: ft at the most. Yeah. Well, let's let's move on,
Speaker 1: because there's there's more murder. Yes, I believe it or not,
Speaker 1: there are more murder theories. And this is where it
Speaker 1: gets a little farther fetched. Okay. So, like we said,
Speaker 1: she's a very small woman. But again, those photos we
Speaker 1: looked at, it's not impossible to carry a body up
Speaker 1: into one of those tanks. Extremely difficult to do. So
Speaker 1: I say that because I don't put a lot of
Speaker 1: stock in our the next couple of murder theories. But
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say this absolutely impossible, but it's
Speaker 1: a reach. Okay. So the next one we've got is
Speaker 1: that there is a serial killer in Los Angeles right
Speaker 1: now and that Alyssa was the first victim. Here's where
Speaker 1: this is coming from. About a month after she died,
Speaker 1: another young woman college one college age was found dead,
Speaker 1: and then a month later, another woman in her early
Speaker 1: twenties was found dead. The only thing that links these
Speaker 1: women is the fact that they were found drowned or
Speaker 1: on the beach near water. Water is the only thing
Speaker 1: that's the linking connection. But people have said that that's
Speaker 1: a link and that somebody's going around and well, of
Speaker 1: course they couldn't recreate the water tank because that's a
Speaker 1: pretty random thing. But now that this dude is just
Speaker 1: out there drowning women, the circumstances of each of these
Speaker 1: deaths are so different. And now in the case in
Speaker 1: the case of these other two women, where they obviously
Speaker 1: murdered or they just don't Yeah, no, it was one
Speaker 1: of them was a prostitute and it was obvious that
Speaker 1: she was murdered, and the other one, this woman washed up,
Speaker 1: and then I couldn't find a whole lot of information
Speaker 1: on or after the fact. But if you wash up
Speaker 1: on the beach, generally you're not a swimmer who you know,
Speaker 1: couldn't make it back to shore. It's not usually the case.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go out on a limb. I
Speaker 1: think that there is a serial killer. I think we
Speaker 1: can say positively that he's an aquarious Okay, okay, bad joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I should be a that eliminates like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: twelve people. So there you go, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: All right. The next theory, which this one goes even
Speaker 1: farther afield is that two weeks before Elyssa disappeared, she
Speaker 1: tweeted a link about a Canadian firm that had gotten
Speaker 1: funding from the Pentagon to pursue research for the U.
Speaker 1: S Military uh in cloaking devices. That tweet has gotten
Speaker 1: people to say that somehow she knew too much about
Speaker 1: this program, and the cloaking device was real, and the
Speaker 1: person that she was talking to in the elevator was
Speaker 1: wearing said cloaking device and either she could see them
Speaker 1: and the camera couldn't, or she couldn't see them but
Speaker 1: knew they were there, and they're the one that is
Speaker 1: responsible for her. Okay, So in the defense of this,
Speaker 1: this is Harry Potter, sure, But in the defense of this,
Speaker 1: it does look like talking to evade someone in the beginning,
Speaker 1: and then she's talking to someone you know, you were saying,
Speaker 1: it kind of looked like she was just like playing around,
Speaker 1: But she was playing around in a way that people
Speaker 1: don't play around alone. You know, like you don't hide
Speaker 1: and jump out if you think you're alone, you hide
Speaker 1: and jump out at your friend who's walking down the
Speaker 1: hall after you, or you know you are trying to
Speaker 1: evade someone. So you stand in the very corner of
Speaker 1: an elevator, so when they walk past, it looks like
Speaker 1: in there, you know. So in the defense of this,
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say, oh, it's an invisibility cloak,
Speaker 1: but I am willing to say that the theory of
Speaker 1: somebody being there, which is, but that's that's totally separate
Speaker 1: from this invisibility I don't know, I kind of like
Speaker 1: invisibility cloak. Yeah, it's a great idea. You're a huge
Speaker 1: fan of Harry Pott. Yeah, here's here's the thing. She
Speaker 1: tweeted a link to an article. She tweeted a link
Speaker 1: to an article. So okay, So she apparently she was
Speaker 1: the only person in the world who saw this our
Speaker 1: to call. Yeah, that's absolute hard part. And and there's
Speaker 1: there's and I'm not going to go through a bout there.
Speaker 1: There are other theories that a particular person killed her.
Speaker 1: I found this again again on a lot of forum boards.
Speaker 1: Everybody talked about a particular person, and they all used
Speaker 1: a assigned code name for this guy. But I could
Speaker 1: never find out who it was. And I can never
Speaker 1: again find anything substantial other than these people batting around
Speaker 1: saying this guy. They if I understood it was this
Speaker 1: guy was a resident of the hotel. But no name,
Speaker 1: no sores, no nothing. So I can't I can't follow
Speaker 1: down that path because I just I can't support it.
Speaker 1: You would expect that. I'm sure the l a p
Speaker 1: D took a good hard look at term residents know
Speaker 1: for uh is for a national the correct word to use, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, loses their life in a hotel in your city.
Speaker 1: You are going to put everybody in the rack and
Speaker 1: get every detail, especially an attractive young woman, attractive young
Speaker 1: woman that is getting national publicity, international, international, thank you,
Speaker 1: before we get into what is the official version of everything. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things or one other thing that
Speaker 1: I want to go through that still in my mind
Speaker 1: kind of stands out one or two. Actually, one is
Speaker 1: I saw a timeline of her trip, and people had
Speaker 1: figured out, uh, you know, when she had been in
Speaker 1: the prior city, when she had gotten to l A
Speaker 1: her last side by the hotel staff, and then and
Speaker 1: when she was in the elevator. And there's a day
Speaker 1: difference between the date stamp. Evidently between the last day
Speaker 1: she was seen and the date stamp in the elevator footage.
Speaker 1: There's a difference of a day, so on the thirty
Speaker 1: feet of January she doesn't call her parents, and then
Speaker 1: the footage is from February one of her in the elevator,
Speaker 1: So there's the full day there that we don't know
Speaker 1: what's happened to her. Well on February one, and it
Speaker 1: could have been one of the more it could have
Speaker 1: been one in the morning, it could have been eleven
Speaker 1: o'clock at night. Um, I mean, I know, Joe, you
Speaker 1: said you found some stuff about her having been seen
Speaker 1: in the area. Yeah, the last and you know, but
Speaker 1: somebody people she was reported to have been seen in
Speaker 1: the bookstore a few blocks away from the hotel. It's
Speaker 1: called the Last Bookstore. But I don't have any it's
Speaker 1: not a confirmed thing, so don't anybody go writing any
Speaker 1: books about it or anything like that. So the date
Speaker 1: is unsure. This place, by the way, is a little
Speaker 1: side is called the Last Bookstore, So do google on
Speaker 1: what Last Bookstore, Los Angeles and look at some of
Speaker 1: the pictures because it's a it's a trippy places. Admit.
Speaker 1: You showed me the photos. Yeah, it's very cool and
Speaker 1: uh and I went to their website. Also because according
Speaker 1: to this report, she was spotted at the bookstore hanging out.
Speaker 1: She was apparently talking a lot and and sort of
Speaker 1: accosting some of the customers and annoying people. Yeah, gal
Speaker 1: erratic um, and which supports the theory that she was
Speaker 1: having a manic episode. She was also reportedly buying books
Speaker 1: and records. I looked at their website and this web
Speaker 1: this bookstore does indeed sell records, remember those things, vinyl
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, very apparently buying books, And when
Speaker 1: you think about it, you know that also supports the
Speaker 1: theory of a manic episode, because what sensible person when
Speaker 1: they're traveling would buy heavy, heavy stuff and especially things
Speaker 1: like records, you know, yeah and oh um. But anyway,
Speaker 1: this is the report that I heard. Yeah, So that
Speaker 1: that's the thing, is that the timeline there's big gaps
Speaker 1: in it, which weirds me out. And like I said before,
Speaker 1: I still cannot find anything official that says was there
Speaker 1: water in her lungs when she died. She was in
Speaker 1: a water tank for a couple of weeks, so honestly,
Speaker 1: there's water in her lungs when they pulled her out
Speaker 1: of the tank. But I haven't seen anything that says, well,
Speaker 1: it's obviously she died from drowning. Other than the official
Speaker 1: cause and and the ladies and gentleman, like I said before,
Speaker 1: the official cause was accidental drowning with mental illness playing
Speaker 1: a leading factory. Here's the piece of the puzzle that
Speaker 1: we've held back, and this is probably the worst piece
Speaker 1: of the puzzle, and this is for her, which is
Speaker 1: that she was severely bipolar. If not severely, she was
Speaker 1: severe is probably the wrong word. She's bipolar, which if
Speaker 1: you've really if you go and you read her blog
Speaker 1: that she had on tumbler, she talks about her depression
Speaker 1: and she writes about it, and it really you can
Speaker 1: tell that this woman has fallen into some pretty dark
Speaker 1: times at points, which makes me think that she's going
Speaker 1: to have equally as manic highs. Her Instagram on like
Speaker 1: forums online, it's been one of those things that people
Speaker 1: like really like to talk about along with her Tumbler.
Speaker 1: You know, she only died a year ago, so Tumbler
Speaker 1: is still active, by the way, it's not active, but
Speaker 1: it's still up. So her Instagram was last updated um
Speaker 1: a year and a couple of weeks ago, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't like close to her death. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: like a month before her death. But her very last
Speaker 1: one is like this picture off of a rooftop and
Speaker 1: she's captioned it because it stops for no one. Time
Speaker 1: is constant and I must move with it. So I
Speaker 1: feel like could be trying to be profound or could be.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've kind of looked through these such
Speaker 1: a creepy thing to admit about myself, right that I've
Speaker 1: looked through this dead girl's Instagram. But like a lot
Speaker 1: of her stuff are like it's really depressive, it's really down,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that it's probably true that
Speaker 1: if she gets that down, she probably gets crazy up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is this is something that makes me really
Speaker 1: wonder about her family, is that they had to have
Speaker 1: been aware of a condition, Oh absolutely, And why they
Speaker 1: would let her take off solo on a trip like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is a little mysterious to well, but Joe, It's it's
Speaker 1: not uncommon for folks that are in her situation. Medication
Speaker 1: is typically the standard answer. Yeah, maybe she stopped taking
Speaker 1: her I was gonna say that, how often have you
Speaker 1: heard stories of, well, they stopped taking their meds? And
Speaker 1: it could have been that she was having a time
Speaker 1: because some of the stuff she put up, she was
Speaker 1: going out, she was having fun. She might have thought, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just having fun and I shouldn't take my meds
Speaker 1: while I'm drinking, So I'm not going to take my meds.
Speaker 1: And again this is not this is not to say
Speaker 1: anything against Alissa. This is just me making a theory.
Speaker 1: But it may have been. It could be that she
Speaker 1: just decided to for whatever reason, to skip a dose
Speaker 1: and skip another dose and then she went on downline.
Speaker 1: But I still I don't And this is the thing
Speaker 1: about the whole the story is, I don't understand what
Speaker 1: would prompt someone to decide to go skinny dipping in
Speaker 1: a water tank on the rooftop in the winter. And
Speaker 1: the whole thing is that she didn't go up there
Speaker 1: obviously with the intentive going skinny dipping, because she undoubtedly
Speaker 1: was not even aware that the existence of these tanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah well, yeah, well we don't know where clothes are,
Speaker 1: so we don't know she took a towel, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is obvious. Her clothes must
Speaker 1: have been there, because I can't imagine the l a
Speaker 1: p D just saying, oh, you know, here she's found
Speaker 1: nude or closure nowhere to be found up case close
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, I mean so I'm thinking her clothes
Speaker 1: had to be had to have been found. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know it. Yeah, that's the only way to find
Speaker 1: out is to you know, look at the case file.
Speaker 1: The alp d're willing to just obviously share with us.
Speaker 1: They don't like us. We have a checkered past with them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well here's uh that's really those are the theories and
Speaker 1: those are the facts we have. I do also have
Speaker 1: one other random bit that the Internet has had a
Speaker 1: field day with, as they tend to, which is that
Speaker 1: after her body was found, there was an outbreak of
Speaker 1: TV or tuberculosis in that area, and it was a
Speaker 1: evidently a very strong strain that was resistant to a
Speaker 1: lot of the drugs that are known to treat TV,
Speaker 1: so they were testing for it. The test is called
Speaker 1: lamb alyssa, oh, which everybody went crazy on and said
Speaker 1: that there was some conspiracy theory. Okay, well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put that to bed because I know that anybody that's
Speaker 1: listening to this is gonna go and look at some
Speaker 1: of the stuff and they're gonna come across that and wonder. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a very simple answer. The part of the test
Speaker 1: uses that that looks for TV uses antibodies and a
Speaker 1: color change to identify the substance that is being tested,
Speaker 1: and that is alyssa. Uh. The other part is a
Speaker 1: microbacterium specific component that is part of basillity's cell wall,
Speaker 1: and that's the LAMB. This is the most technical we
Speaker 1: have ever been on the show. This is the most technical.
Speaker 1: And I skipped a bunch of big words. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm watched it. Thank you. Joe are like resident pronunciator.
Speaker 1: He is, He's He's our version of Mikey. That's one
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about. That is all the information
Speaker 1: now that we've gone through the TV link. That's all
Speaker 1: the all of the facts and all the details that
Speaker 1: I've been able to wrangle up on the story of
Speaker 1: a list alam And I mean, it's a sad story
Speaker 1: no matter whether we figure it out. I know you
Speaker 1: love to figure this story out, Joe and answer the mystery.
Speaker 1: But regardless, it's a it's a sad story, and it's
Speaker 1: it's just even if we knew the answer, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling that all the other circumstances in it would
Speaker 1: still make it stand out. Is is kind of a creeper,
Speaker 1: well a little bit, you know. And I think the
Speaker 1: other thing about this is that it's really recent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so new, and we're so close to it. You know.
Speaker 1: We've got these other cases that are, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: sixty years old, and they have questions on them, but
Speaker 1: there are more facts and they always come out, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of years after the fact, or and there's
Speaker 1: no video footage. The video footage is probably what makes
Speaker 1: this one stand out the most. Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 1: just a lot of weird stuff, and I think I'm
Speaker 1: sad to say that. I don't think that we'll ever
Speaker 1: have a good answer. Yeah, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it will ever be solved either. I think the I
Speaker 1: do think there's highly possible there was another person involved.
Speaker 1: They might not necessarily a murdered her, but if they did,
Speaker 1: probably the best way to find that person, if they're
Speaker 1: if they're living in the hotel is to question the
Speaker 1: hotel staff and just ask to any of your long
Speaker 1: term residents, have you noticed that some of them have
Speaker 1: change their behavior a little bit and started buying a
Speaker 1: lot of bottled water and bring it in the room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I guess my my thing with this whole whole
Speaker 1: thing is that like I have I have, I have
Speaker 1: a female friend who you guys have met, who she
Speaker 1: travels the world alone all the time. Um. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that she talks about there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people who do this, they just travel alone. Um.
Speaker 1: But you make friends on the road, And I think
Speaker 1: that it's unlikely to me that Alyssa had was truly
Speaker 1: always alone in this situation. You know, if you're you're
Speaker 1: traveling friends, you have a friends somebody, you know, you
Speaker 1: find a friend who's traveling somebody who's staying at this
Speaker 1: like horrible hotel with you, you know that you can
Speaker 1: like make fun of or whatever you find companionship as
Speaker 1: as human things you want to do. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it whether it was just like a friend,
Speaker 1: they were just like playing around in the elevator and
Speaker 1: we like have horribly misinterpreted it because she ended up
Speaker 1: dead a couple hours later, or you know, it was
Speaker 1: something sinister. Who knows, But I do agree Joe. I
Speaker 1: know it's super rare occurrence, but Joe and I agree
Speaker 1: there there had to have been somebody else involved it
Speaker 1: was the elevator incident. It certainly appears it was somebody else. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And again, the interesting thing for me is like that
Speaker 1: person that that person, well might be this might just
Speaker 1: be sheer coincidence, but that person seemed to be aware
Speaker 1: of the existence of that security camera in the elevator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was weird. Yeah, sure, that's otherwise. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want to hold an elevator, do you stand there
Speaker 1: holding the button or do you just put your hand
Speaker 1: on the door and hold the doorback. That's the easy
Speaker 1: That's the easy way to do it, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess unless you were like messing with the person inside, right,
Speaker 1: Like she went in and pushed a button, and you
Speaker 1: wanted to mess with her, so you just, like he
Speaker 1: stood and held the button, make a little hidden from her,
Speaker 1: so she would like jump out to see what's going on,
Speaker 1: and you would go and she would go, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's so funny. Right, and then you would sit there
Speaker 1: and talk with your hands like moving a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then you guys would walk up together. Right, but
Speaker 1: let's stay open for a really long time. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a four minutive video whatever it is. I mean the
Speaker 1: version that's on YouTube is four minutes long, and if
Speaker 1: it's if that's been sped up a little bit, then
Speaker 1: it's six minutes ramus, whatever it is, it's an extended
Speaker 1: amount of time. So I don't know this. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm I'm doing my normal fallback of I don't
Speaker 1: want to make a decision because I can't see someone
Speaker 1: and this is in their rational mind getting into a
Speaker 1: water tank. But I don't know that she was in
Speaker 1: that state of mind. I guess even in like a
Speaker 1: it's not like, um, somebody who's bipolar is like has
Speaker 1: a break with reality though, right, I mean, like you
Speaker 1: have your manneq and your depressive states, but it's not
Speaker 1: like you have totally disassociated. But it's a good idea
Speaker 1: to crawl in this. I've I've I've known people who
Speaker 1: are bipolar, and when they're up, they're making bad decisions.
Speaker 1: You could equate it to a friend who drinks too
Speaker 1: much and is having a good time and says this
Speaker 1: is gonna be an awesome idea and does something that
Speaker 1: is the worst idea in the world, but they are
Speaker 1: not thinking outside of that narrow tunnel vision of this
Speaker 1: is gonna be red and then when they get there.
Speaker 1: Oh no. But again, as Joe said, if that were
Speaker 1: the case her hands, you know there there should have
Speaker 1: been some trauma to her hands well, and that that
Speaker 1: actually blames me back to one terrible fact that I
Speaker 1: did read, which may be why we don't know this.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the phrase d gloving? Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: this is when a body and water this in begins
Speaker 1: to release and her she was degloved. The skin on
Speaker 1: her arms and her hands had pulled away on its own.
Speaker 1: So there may have been damaged to the skin that
Speaker 1: we don't know about. Yeah, and I'm sorry for grossing
Speaker 1: out Devon and anybody else at the very end of
Speaker 1: this show, you know, making everybody uncomfortable, and I really
Speaker 1: apologized for that. But that was another fact that that
Speaker 1: we need to consider. For me, it's just that term
Speaker 1: you could say, like her hands started to decompose off
Speaker 1: her body. That's not so upsetting to me. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that you call it de gloving that's just disgusting.
Speaker 1: Then unfortunately, that's the that's the medical I know, and
Speaker 1: I just can't. Yeah, So okay, my theory is that
Speaker 1: she befriended a guy who unfortunately happened to be a
Speaker 1: serial killer, and he took her up to there. He
Speaker 1: took her out there, they climbed to the top of
Speaker 1: the tank to look at the stars and the incredible view.
Speaker 1: And then he like smothered it with a pillow, and
Speaker 1: which is why there's no signs of, you know, any
Speaker 1: sort of marks on her body. So smother it with
Speaker 1: a pillow. And then she thought he was bringing the
Speaker 1: pillow up to sit on, you know, but he brought
Speaker 1: it up to murder her with. Uh. And then he
Speaker 1: stripped her naked, throws her clothes over the side of
Speaker 1: the building, knowing that her body won't be found for
Speaker 1: a long time and the clothes will be long gone
Speaker 1: by that time, and then just plunk short of the
Speaker 1: tank and jumps to the ground and goes on his way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do lean towards the official version that she probably
Speaker 1: put herself in the tank. Yeah, it's it's inexplicable. That's
Speaker 1: why that perfect way to say it. And I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that joke because that's the word I could. It's inexplicable,
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm behind that theory. But that's the that's
Speaker 1: the most I can be behind any theory. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's possible, but it's it's a it's a little
Speaker 1: hard to believe it was Harry Potter. Oh, the invisibility cloak. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was kind of a nerd again, the stuff you
Speaker 1: find out about people when you stalk there, you know, whatever,
Speaker 1: profiles after they've died. But like, you know, she would
Speaker 1: tweet pictures of like the Arthur Conan Doyle's room and
Speaker 1: like it was closed. So she was super upset because
Speaker 1: she just wanted to go see like the sherlock room.
Speaker 1: And you're just kind of a nerds to the bookstore,
Speaker 1: you know, why why couldn't it be Harry Potter. Harry
Speaker 1: Potter hits nerds, he does. It's true. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is the whole new series of books in the
Speaker 1: Harry Potter Harry Potters on Nerds. Yeah. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
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