WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Elisa Lam 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.079 Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.440 things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.520 and welcome to the show. This is Thinking Sideways the podcast. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.600 I'm Steve, as always, joined by Devon and Joe. Hello, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.960 and as always we're going to go ahead and look 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.080 into a strange story that's well, we don't really know 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.840 what the answer is. It's I think we call those mysteries. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.360 That is, what are the words that people use to 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.680 describe it? Good call than you know. We had her 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.919 on the show for a reason because I'm a I'm 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.960 a human thesaurus. I like I like Enigma better. Enigma 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.640 is pretty good. It's pretty freaking a good one. Yeah. Well, 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.800 let's let's hop right in, shall we. All right, Well, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.680 this story is a listeners suggestion, and we've gotten a 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.200 lot of suggestions for folks and appreciate everybody's sending those in. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.759 I know we haven't gotten to many of them. We're 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.920 working through room as we can, but we definitely appreciate them. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.600 So big thanks to Jonathan who sent us this one 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:23.039 on Facebook. He uh, it's a weird story and it's 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.840 really creepy, but I couldn't help myself. Well, and it's 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.120 one of those ones. As much as you hate to 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.880 say it is, like it's really popular right now, it is. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.880 It's a really popular mystery. I hear it's super popular 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.280 in China. Yeah. Well, what we're gonna talk about everybody, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.920 and and probably the majority of you are already familiar 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.760 with the story, is the death of Alyssa Lamb. Yeah, yep, alright, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.040 so let's just go ahead and we'll we'll start here, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.840 which Alyssa was one years old. She was Canadian. She 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:01.040 was from Vancouver, British Columbia, and she was on vacation 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:06.840 in California. She'd been traveling by herself. She had gone 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.640 to l A. I don't remember what stop, what city 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.600 she stopped in first, but she made her way to 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.639 l A and then eventually she was going to make 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.080 her way on down to Santa Cruz, which is kind 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.160 of a nice vacation, you know, just hit kind of 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.799 all the big spots in California. It's like a great 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:26.160 trip to me. While she was in l A, Alyssa 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.720 stayed at the Hotel Cecil, which is a low rent 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.600 hotel which is on the edge of the area that's 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.000 known as skid Row. That's kind of near it. I 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.160 don't know, yeah, it's it's near it. I wouldn't say 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.880 it's in skid Row. And for anybody who doesn't know 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.680 what skid Row is, it's basically the part of town 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.480 where you're down and out. Yeah. Although, yeah, you know, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.440 if you go on Google street View and actually look 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.760 at the at the street, at the hotel is on, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.800 it's and and and zoom around a little bit. I 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.560 love driving around in Google street View. Yeah, it's actually 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.640 not bad. It's downtown l A. It's like, you know, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.840 skid rows a few blocks of way, but you know, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.320 it was it was a pretty decent neighborhood. Yeah, it 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.360 seemed okay. Well, while she was on her trip, she 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.760 had been great about contacting her parents, you know, via 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:16.080 email and phone every day. On January thirty one, Alyssa 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:21.959 didn't contact her parents, which was weird, and they never 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:27.440 heard from her again. Obviously they were concerned. They raised alarm. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.639 They called the authorities. They got ahold of the l 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.679 A Police who got involved. The police went to the hotel, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:39.480 they questioned the staff. They brought in dogs to check 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.600 everything out because she obviously wasn't in her room. They 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.400 found nothing. They brought in dogs. This is like right 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.160 after the report of disappearance when they it was a 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.400 couple of days later that they actually came to the 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.200 hotel and brought dogs in. But yeah, and I've some 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.680 of the accounts that I've read to say that the 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.840 reason that the l A Police got right on this 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.320 is because she's technically from another country. So that's really 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.440 bad press when you have someone who's visiting your city 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:13.360 from another country disappearing. So they kind of tried to 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.800 pull out all the stops. They really did what they could, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:22.000 but they didn't come up with anything. Nothing was found. Yeah. Interesting, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.679 Like I said, that nobody ever heard from her again. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:30.839 The hotel staff said they had seen her, but didn't 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.520 really know when the last time they had seen her. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.800 So she's gone a couple of days are a day 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.920 or so later, they released some footage which we will 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.719 link to on our website, and it's footage of her 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:51.920 in the elevator of the hotel, and it's creepy. It's 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:57.279 very creepy footage. She walks into the elevator, she pushes 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.400 a bunch of buttons, she kind of stands in back. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.680 She peeks out, she hides in the elevator. What the 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.080 what it's really reminiscent of to me is that, you know, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.880 you kind of hear it described or you read a 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.560 description of it or whatever, and you think, well, that's 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.839 not that weird. You know, she's pushing some buttons, she's 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.200 like kind of hiding. But when you watch it, it's 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:26.120 kind of like, um, those really cheesy like activity where 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:30.000 like people are doing human things, but not in in 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.200 like a really contrived human way, Like it's not a 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.479 human controlling them. That's exactly right, and it's really creepy. Yeah. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.600 Her her movements are very erratically, really jerky. Yeah. I 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.880 first thought that when I first saw the video, and 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.400 I and you know, it's for my first time, I 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.280 thought she was goofing around. Yeah, and then you start 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.120 watching you realize she's not playing around. Something else is happening. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.120 At about the two minute mark, she walks out of 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.800 the elevator. She's barely visible in the camera and she 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.600 makes some kind of straight hand gestures for about thirty 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.839 seconds to a minute. And that's the part that really 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.279 like got me. The way she moves her limbs during 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:13.200 that time is like I don't. Yeah, well, you know, Actually, 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.760 to me, what it looks like is that there's somebody 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.120 standing outside the elevator to the right of the elevator, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.640 and she's talking to that person and gesturing to him 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.200 in like a really uncomfortable way. And then I could 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.240 see some of that. But what what was weird to 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.400 me is the way she was moving her arms in 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.159 her hands, almost in a rhythmic fashion. At one point 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.120 I kind of wondered if she was dancing. It had 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:35.960 been talked about that she had been going to clubs 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.159 and stuff, so maybe she was doing some dance. She 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:43.120 had seen it. It almost had that feel to it. Obviously, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.360 that's not's what she was doing, right, because of everything else, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.839 and when you put it all into context, that's not it. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.080 But it's it's really strange. Here's the strangest part. The 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.159 whole time that she's doing this, she's pushed the button, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.680 she's hiding, she's poking her head out, she jumps out 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:03.200 of the elevator, she's waving arms. Room never closed, which 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.680 is why I suspect there was somebody standing outside and 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.600 holding down the call button. Oh you think so, well, yeah, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.800 it makes sense. I mean, what else would cousin to 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:16.600 stay open elevators malfunction all the time. This elevator actually 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.440 worked pretty well. I mean once she got out of 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.360 it and whoever was holding down the call button let 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.440 it go. Then the elevator took off and did this 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.880 thing and it worked just fine. That's true because the 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.560 rest of the footage just showed the elevator going to 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.000 the other floors exactly, and you see her before the 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.760 door is closed. She just walks away. I hate it. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.120 I hate I'm like, I'm getting like likes like just 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.640 thinking about it because it's just you know again, it's 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.000 just it looks like one of those cheesy things like 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:44.960 if somebody was just like, hey, watching this video, I'd 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.840 be like, wow, this is a horrible horror movie. Like 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.440 I'm impressed with the low budget horror movie. Yeah, it 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.080 totally looks like one of those like parallenal activity sort 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.400 of things that Blair Witch projects something and then you 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.360 put it in context of like this is a real 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.560 girl having doing these things for real that she died 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.240 because reepy, that's exactly it. That's this is the last 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:13.040 that footage is the last recording of her alive, which 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:18.400 is just it's uncomfortable. And this is where it gets 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.680 even more uncomfortable for this story, which is for two weeks, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.680 residents at the hotel had noticed bad water pressure, that 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:33.200 the water was quote unquote black, smelled funny, and had 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:38.240 an odd sweet taste to it on the nine February, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.559 which is I'm sorry, I feel like we have to 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.760 do a sidebar here because of like, hey, this water 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:48.520 is black, better drink it to see what it tastes like. Yeah, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.080 I don't understand why nobody complained. That's I think they did. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.800 In the early accounts. They there were people they did 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.320 interviews or they were like we watched complaints. You know 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.319 that it started out tasting kind of funny and you're like, oh, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.000 maybe it's nothing, and then like it smelled a little funny, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.320 and then it got like a gross color and it 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.840 got really bad, and that people were kind of lodging complaints. Yeah. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.040 One of the one of the things about it is 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.520 about l A is the water. They're it really tastes 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.120 like crap, it's gross. And so if you've got people 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:19.760 like coming in from out of town, their tourist and 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.760 they're saying, hey, the water tastes like crap, you're gonna 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.920 go hey, you know, dude, welcome. So maybe that was it. Maybe. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.520 But the nineteenth of February they finally give in and 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.960 the hotel sends a maintenance worker up to the roof 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.360 to inspect the water tanks that are on the roof. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.920 And they have four large water tanks up there. They 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.840 are four ft across and eight foot tall, so they're 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:47.120 they're pretty big. Um. And when he got up there 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.480 trying to figure out what was causing the problem, he 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:57.000 found the naked body of Alyssa in one of the tanks. Yeah. Um, 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.120 so he cleared it out and got everything cleaned up. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:06.360 That's absolutely not the exact opposite. This is where the 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.560 story really hit the news is you know, they had 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.040 to send the fire department up there to cut open 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.200 the tank and get her out. There was all this 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.600 stuff about was there, you know, bad biological particles in 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:28.199 the water, which turns out all the chlorine was basically eliminating. Um. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.480 But here's here's the really weird thing. If you guys 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.200 have seen and if anybody, if you want to go 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.760 look at the photos, they're all over the internet. If 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.760 you look at the photos of the roof, of the 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:44.040 hotel cecil. It's not easy to get to those water tanks. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:48.480 You've you've got to kind of go up this embankments 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.760 the wrong word. But there's a rise where the tanks are, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:58.280 and then there's no ladders on the tanks. Plus to 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.520 get up there, you would have to go through an 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:07.000 alarmed door that's locked, and then unless fire unless you 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.000 want up the fire escape. I'm not sure if the 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.720 alarm would go off if you got on the fire 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.000 escape or not. All right, well, it sounded like you 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.520 had to do both. I I can never get it straight. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.480 Whereas you had to go through this alarm door and 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.320 then go up a separate piece of fire escape to 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.199 get up there. I can never quite get clarity. I 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.160 don't think some mean, if you look at the roof, 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.520 there's that little boxy sort of house looking thing there 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.360 next to the tanks, and there appears to be a 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.679 door on that something. I'm assuming the stairwell goes all 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.560 the way up to the top and there's a doorway out, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.679 But that's the one that's got the Often places like 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.600 that we'll have in order to see you have a 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.400 ladder that you have to go up to like a 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.679 door the basically like a gate, and then you go 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.080 through the gate and there's that last little staircase. But 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.920 the gate is alarmed often, and then that last door 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.560 isn't alarmed. That That's just that was my understanding of 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.200 it in my mind, that there was a and here's something. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.520 Here's the thing. The hotel is obviously not going to 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.640 put out diagrams of how to get up onto their 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.359 roof because they don't want to out there. Yeah, exactly. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.600 It appears to me, I've got some pictures of the 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.280 hotel and there's numerous fire escapes on it, and it 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.719 doesn't look like they're gated off from the roofs much 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.640 to me, like you could actually climb right up there, 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.600 like like from the street. Uh No, typically fire for 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.440 that reason, room, Yeah, yeah, for that reason. I mean 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.120 they don't. They always have the extendable ladders, but obviously 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.640 to prevent bombs from climbing up your fire escape and 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.720 breaking windows and everything. But yeah, but it appears that 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.360 she could have climbed up the fire escape and up 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.360 there without being detected. Okay, so she could, but still 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.120 getting into the tank different, right, because the tanks are 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.960 like on a platform, right, and then there's no ladder 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.480 on the tanks, and then the lids of the tanks 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.920 are like crazy heavy. Right. No, No, there's like there's 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.439 an access the once she was in was there was 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:57.040 a sixteen in access. Yeah, square slider, flip open hatch. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.320 But we're going to get into the hatch a little 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.760 bit more. But here's here's a couple of other things 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.480 that I want to talk about before we we get 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:09.559 too far into that is that when they got her 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:15.280 body out, it showed no obvious signs of trauma. And 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.240 that's that's you know, not including postmortem trauma from bouncing 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:23.240 around in a water tank. And then there's the fact 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.600 that the autopsy and the toxicology reports showed that she 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.880 wasn't under the influence of drugs. She evidently wasn't. It 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.880 doesn't sound like dead before she got in there, because 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.480 no harm seems to have been done to her prior 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.560 to her entering the water tank, and her lives were 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.240 filled with water, So and and did you find that 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.880 for sure? Because I could never see anything. And then 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.320 and I've seen some stuff that said it was there 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.959 water in her lungs, and they there was water in 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.880 their lungs and so that led some people to say 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.520 she drowned. But at the same time, the corridor said 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.240 cause of death is unknown, which means it water can 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:02.960 get into her longs just from being in the water 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.640 for a couple and that was that was the thing 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.360 that well, here's the here's the official cause of death. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.040 The official cause of death is though they initially thought 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.959 it was foul play, they changed it to accidental drowning 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.440 with mental illness playing a significant role. There are so 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.120 many questions, Oh, I know, and that's exactly right. There's 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.400 a ton of questions and I had when I started 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.080 researching this. I don't normally do this normally. I just 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.520 kind of worked my way through it and log everything. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.080 I read this story two or three times and wrote 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.840 down about a dozen or two questions that I needed answered. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.240 And that's what we're gonna go through. We're gonna go 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.160 through my questions this time. That's interesting because for me, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.600 when I read this story the first time, I was like, oh, yeah, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.200 I know she was on drugs. And then I was like, no, 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.440 no toxicality. And I was like, okay, well, yeah, she 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.360 was mentally ill. And then I like, but I couldn't 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.120 let it go I guess you know, so I I 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.520 just kept reading it, and the more I read, the 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.000 more questions I had. It wasn't It was not one 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.040 of those cases where I find out more information and 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.760 I'm satisfied. I just have more questions and yeah it's 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.880 and there's there's just so many stinking questions. Yeah it's 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.320 it's It's one of those frustrating things like the woman 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.120 in Norway who was murdered, you know, the other way. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.800 I mean, yeah, I want to get away from the 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.720 Internet and actually just go to Norway and look at 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.800 the police files. You know, you say with this, if 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.440 we could go look at the l An report. Yeah, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.520 there's one big question I have, which is which is like, 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.440 you know, the rumor of rocketing around the internet is 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.000 that her clothes were never found. But I don't know 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.240 what that's true because and we're gonna get into that again. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.920 These are things that I've gone through, and I've got 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.400 my list and we're gonna we're gonna check it twice 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.320 and we're just gonna go through all of these. So 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.840 the first question that I wanted to know was based 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.120 on this whole story and everything about the hotel and 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.560 all the reports that we've heard is why did she 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:03.600 stay at the hotel El Cecil. Yeah, good question. Yeah, because, yeah, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.440 there's so many natural places to stay in l A. Closer, 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.720 so much closer to all the cool tourist attractions. Also cheaper, right, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.120 they're cheaper places than the equivalent. Yeah, yes, but it's 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.960 not I mean, you know, it's not like it's the cheapest. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.960 It's also not like it's the nicest of the price point. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.200 You know. Obviously she wasn't familiar with l A. She 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.480 just she got downtown l A. I'll be right in 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.280 the heart of things. But l A is a city 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.720 unlike most cities. Yeah, here's the thing is that when 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.440 you read some of the stuff on the hotel's website, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:38.560 they build themselves as a European style hotel. That's great 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.240 for travelers on a budget. Have you noticed something about 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.840 those guys by the way they changed their name who 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.680 the Hotel Cecil. If you go out, if you do 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.320 a google on Hotel Cecil Los Angeles and Lincoln, come up, 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.200 says hotel Cecil dot com. You click on that, and 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:55.960 if you look at the U R L it says 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.560 stay on Maine dot com. And you look at the 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.000 logo there, it says stay on me in hotel. It's 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.480 got the same addresss a hotel CC, but it says 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.680 it's stay on Maine dot com. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, Apparently 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.240 apparently they're tired of being, you know, branded as you know, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.600 the place where people get murdered and stuff like that. Well, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.400 and I'm glad you bring that up, because that hotel 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.760 has quite a checkered pass a little bit, alright, So 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.760 let's run through this. Uh So, the hotel was built 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.520 in the nineteen twenties and it was gonna be this big, opulent, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:32.399 beautiful hotel and it was immediately outdone by other hotels. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.800 Plus the neighborhood it was in fell into hard times 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.840 and the people that were that we're staying there weren't 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.320 the nicest group. There were robberies, there were murders, There 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.920 were people who were This I believe was from the 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.080 forties to somewhere in the sixties of seventies. It was 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.800 notorious for people to go to and jump out the 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.320 window and commit suicide. Is there, I guess I wonder, 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.639 well we're talking about this, is there any record of 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.400 her being kind of like a ghost hunter, like interested 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.040 in any kind of like weirdness, because this seems like 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.800 the kind of place you would go and stay if 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.439 you were interested in like places that had kind of 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.800 sorted past things that I could pick up from her 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.920 tumbler page. I didn't get that impression, because she did 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.359 have a tumbler website that she updated constantly while she 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.439 was on vacation and put up a lot of stuff, 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.679 but I never saw anything. There's one famous example of 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:36.119 a woman by the name of Pauline I believe is 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.280 what her name is. She evidently decided that she had 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.720 had enough and was gonna was gonna end her own 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:48.240 life and jumped out the window on October twelve, n two. Unfortunately, 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:53.480 she landed on George Gianni killed them both. Uh. This 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.959 is one of many suicides that are notorious. There's all 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.480 these people. A woman I can't remember her name now 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.040 got into a fight with her husband. They obviously had 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.719 drinking issues. She threw herself out the window. The hotel 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.439 itself was this is the best part. Also had some 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.560 really famous people stay at it. More likely infamous is 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.240 probably the better word to use, because there's Richard Ramirez, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.399 who was known as the night Stalker who raped and 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:28.080 killed thirteen women in and Jack Underwerker I believe it's 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:33.600 how you pronounce his name. Yes, in one stayed there 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:39.080 as well. He also killed three prostitutes. So yeah, we 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.639 we've got some really great people staying here. You know you, 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.480 did you ever stop to think that maybe at least 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:49.960 a land what's a serial killer? I don't think that's 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:54.280 it worked that way. Well, okay, so we've got all 0:19:54.359 --> 0:20:01.359 these bad vibes to say, energy, bad energy from the hotel. Well, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.240 one of the theories that I got was that the 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:10.200 hotel is haunted by evil spirits. Well, it's actually more 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.960 like the movie dark Water. If you've ever seen the 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.280 movie Dark Water, this is a movie where a little 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.520 girl drowns in the water tank on the top of 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:23.719 the building and then it infects the room directly underneath it. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.639 It's a super creepy movie. And isn't the hotel in 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:33.280 that called the Cecilia Hotel? I think there's a cha Yeah, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.560 I think it's yeah, it's a character's the daughter in 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.280 the movie named Cecilia. But still yeah, yeah, so it's 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.480 it's a it's a coincidence. I I logged this under coincidence, 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:49.200 But creepy, creepy coincidence. Yeah, so we've got that creepy fact. Yeah. 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.119 Fun and games here, ladies and gentlemen. So here's the 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.600 next question. Why didn't they find her in the initial search? 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.959 I mean, you've got dogs, Yeah, why can't you find 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.560 this girl? And it's only a couple of days. It's 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.320 only a couple of days, So why couldn't you find 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.240 your trail, especially up in the roof. I can understand it, 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.040 like in the lobby, in the in the corridors of 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.200 the hotel, and there's lots of other people walking around 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.280 on the roof. But you know, one possible theory is 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:17.240 that they the search took place when it would have 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.280 been a couple of days later. So I think on 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.640 the thirty feet maybe, or the first of the I'm 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.600 guessing February one, because that's when they released the photo 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:31.560 or the footage from her being in the elevator. Yeah, 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.679 so I mean, who knows, Maybe her body was not 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.400 yet in the in the water tank at that time. Maybe, 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.119 but at that time it was really cold and windy out. 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.720 Which the way a dog's nose works is it follows 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.080 what they call a scent cone. So you leave a 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.439 trail of scent and it it spreads out behind you. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.640 But if it's really windy, gets blown away, the scent 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.720 is harder to pick up. Yeah, I can see that. 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.680 And so that that's the reasoning that I've seen from 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.399 a lot of site. There a lot of places that 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:07.000 say why they didn't track her. They were on the roof, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.160 The police dogs were on the roof the first time 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.879 they looked for her, and they didn't find her path, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:18.359 which again leads to some questions of well did she 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:23.040 walk when she carried? What's the deal? But again, I 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.280 I don't know. Maybe you hadn't made her to the 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:28.080 roof by that point in time. Yeah, you could be right, 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.719 she might have been hold up somewhere else. But that's weird. 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.280 I'm just gonna say that right now. Okay, Well, she's 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.719 not in the water tank. That's weird that she's not 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.320 in a room and she's somewhere else and then somebody 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.440