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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of

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Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. This is Thinking Sideways the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Steve, as always, joined by Devon and Joe. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and as always we're going to go ahead and look

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Speaker 1: into a strange story that's well, we don't really know

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Speaker 1: what the answer is. It's I think we call those mysteries.

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Speaker 1: That is, what are the words that people use to

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Speaker 1: describe it? Good call than you know. We had her

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Speaker 1: on the show for a reason because I'm a I'm

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Speaker 1: a human thesaurus. I like I like Enigma better. Enigma

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Speaker 1: is pretty good. It's pretty freaking a good one. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's hop right in, shall we. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: this story is a listeners suggestion, and we've gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot of suggestions for folks and appreciate everybody's sending those in.

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Speaker 1: I know we haven't gotten to many of them. We're

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Speaker 1: So big thanks to Jonathan who sent us this one

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Speaker 1: on Facebook. He uh, it's a weird story and it's

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Speaker 1: really creepy, but I couldn't help myself. Well, and it's

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Speaker 1: one of those ones. As much as you hate to

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Speaker 1: say it is, like it's really popular right now, it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a really popular mystery. I hear it's super popular

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Speaker 1: in China. Yeah. Well, what we're gonna talk about everybody,

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Speaker 1: and and probably the majority of you are already familiar

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Speaker 1: which Alyssa was one years old. She was Canadian. She

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Speaker 1: was from Vancouver, British Columbia, and she was on vacation

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Speaker 1: her way on down to Santa Cruz, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of a nice vacation, you know, just hit kind of

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Speaker 1: all the big spots in California. It's like a great

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Speaker 1: if you go on Google street View and actually look

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Speaker 1: seemed okay. Well, while she was on her trip, she

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Speaker 1: going on. I think that was Actually, yeah, I think

425
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: that's the exactly, maybe was having a manic episode. Two. Yeah,

426
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: it's but it's just it's so weird. And and then

427
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: when we got the toxicology report back to say there's

428
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing in her system. There's no drugs, no alcohol,

429
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: nothing that they can detect in her system. Was so

430
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: obviously not high on drugs, but maybe having a manic episode. Yeah. No,

431
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: I know you Joe and I had had briefly talked

432
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: about this is I still don't understand why the elevator

433
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: doors never closed. Yeah, and you you had a theory

434
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: on that, Yeah, I mean I I suspect that there

435
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: was probably somebody standing outside in the corridors, out of

436
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: view of the camera, who was holding down the call button,

437
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: which would cause the doors to remain open. Uh. Yeah.

438
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: And you see when she when she pops out of

439
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: the elevate, comes out of the elevator, and she's sort

440
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: of talking and gesticulating to the right side of the

441
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: right side of the elevator. It looks like she's talking

442
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: to a person. And interestingly enough, you never see that person.

443
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: You never so much as reaches his hand end around

444
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: to hold that door shut. Instead, he uses the button

445
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: to do it, which believes me to believe he was,

446
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: if this person existed, was aware of the existence of

447
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: that security camera. Yeah. And also, you know, interestingly, also

448
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: there's no other security camera footage anywhere in that hotel.

449
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: Apparently they only had security footage in the elevator and

450
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: nowhere else, which is kind of strange. You would think

451
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: if they would have more than one security camera, you

452
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: were sure, Yeah, but apparently most places do. Yeah. I

453
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: stayed in there where ever, you know, fifty ft or

454
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: whatever in the ceiling. Yeah, I saw. You had another

455
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: whiff of an internet rumors um quote from some guy

456
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: who had worked there as a security guard. He said

457
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: that that most of the security cameras just didn't work,

458
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: and and he had a lot of Yeah, he had

459
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: some other scathing things to say about about security in

460
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: the place. But anyway, so you know, it makes me

461
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: wonder if there wasn't somebody else out there, well, because

462
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: what else would have made those doors stay open? Well,

463
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: And here's the thing I wondered about is when you

464
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: watch her get into the elevator the first time time,

465
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: and she bends over and she looks at the buttons

466
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: and she punches a bunch of bunch of buttons at once.

467
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: So I wonder if she hit the door button to

468
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: open the doors, which would delay them from closing, and

469
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: then she walks out of the elevator, and then she

470
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: walks back in and she does it again. It's you know,

471
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: but they stay open for much longer than you expect. Well, yeah,

472
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't. It wouldn't be from just pushing that.

473
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: But you know the way those elevators, they're like open

474
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: door elevator buttons work as you hold them down. You

475
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: don't just like push them, and they like open for

476
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: a set amount of time. You got to hold them down,

477
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: at least in my experience with elevators, hold it. And

478
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: I guess it's possible that she could have hit like

479
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: the emergency button, you know, that would Here's the other

480
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: thing is whenever you see the photos of her, she's

481
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: wearing glasses. Yeah, she has no glasses on when she's

482
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: in the elevator, which and this became kind of a

483
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: sticking point for me because when you watch the footage,

484
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: she clearly bends over and gets her face really close

485
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: to that panel, like she's having a hard time seeing.

486
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: So I almost wondered if when she was outside of

487
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: the elevator and she's waving her hands. I almost wonder

488
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: if she can't really see where she is and she's

489
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: in a weird method trying to feel around. I gotta

490
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: be honest with you, all the pictures I've seen of her, yeah,

491
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: she's wearing glasses, but they don't look like they're like

492
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: particularly thick. It's not like she's literally bat blind like

493
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: she You know, I could be wrong because you can't

494
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: technically tell, but it's not like she's got giant eyes

495
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: or like bottle cap lenses. They just look like like

496
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: a small prescription or like a you know, medium prescription.

497
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: You know, she would be able to find a wall.

498
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and again I don't I don't know. These

499
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: are just I've got to wonder if maybe that's what's

500
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: going on. Here's the next one, and I know we've

501
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: we've already briefly talked about this is how did she

502
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: get on that roof? Okay, well, you guys have both

503
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: said that it looks like it's possible that she could

504
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: have got there via the fire escape the door itself

505
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: from the inside of the hotel. Like I said before,

506
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: was alarmed, and there was no record of the alarm

507
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: having been set or set off, which means that theoretically,

508
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: either she didn't go through that door or somebody with

509
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: access went through the door ahead of time or with her. Um.

510
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's weird overall. I know we've

511
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: talked about you know, it's a it's a small opening

512
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: to the water tank. Right. So there's there's a couple

513
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: of theories that I've come across, and I think some

514
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: of these are just kind of Acam's razor conjecture theories.

515
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: If if that makes sense, it's well, I guess it's

516
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: got to be this. The first one is that it

517
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: was employee air. This theory runs that she didn't set

518
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: off the alarm because some hotel employee had gone through

519
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: the door at some point before her and didn't rearm it.

520
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: Now this is this is this is assuming that you

521
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: arm and disarm it at the door and not somewhere else.

522
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: So it felt like a keypad where you wave through

523
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: and let you through and then you go back out.

524
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: Maybe they it is that in the doors didn't shut

525
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: all the way right. Yeah, I guess this is like

526
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: one of those instances where people in California, I hate

527
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: to generalize, but like to smoke, and people in the

528
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: service industry particular, like you know, go up and have

529
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: a cigarette, go up on the roof, have a cigarette.

530
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: A lot of places, especially in a kind of place

531
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: where like your security cameras maybe don't work. You just

532
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: unplugged the alarm, yeah, and unlocked the door, right, the

533
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: door is still probably locked. Unlocked the door walk out,

534
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you have it. Maybe it's night and

535
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: you have it like propped open because there's no way

536
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: to unlock it from the outside. Who knows, and she

537
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: sneaks out while you're out there for all we know.

538
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: You know that. But I think it's it's likely that

539
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: it's one of those ones that you can just disconnect it.

540
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: It's unlikely to me that it's so high tech that

541
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: it's it's probably not some crazy Yeah, it's probably a

542
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: key lock. Yeah. Well yeah, and it's like obviously it

543
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: can be a magnetic key, because they would have a

544
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: record of who opened that door. Yeah, that's a very

545
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: good point, thank you. I hadn't even thought about that. Well,

546
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 1: that's saying that their system recognizes that, and it just

547
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: doesn't recognize a fallout in general to being swiped but

548
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, this theory, if we run with it, is

549
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: saying that, Okay, somebody went through and left the door

550
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: open and then realize their mistake and came back later

551
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: and either a just shut the door or be went

552
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: up there, found a pile of clothes on the roof,

553
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: couldn't find anybody, took them, shut the door and chucked them,

554
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: so they didn't get in trouble. I you know, I

555
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: doubt that though, because I mean I think that if

556
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: you went out there the door, the doorway to the roof,

557
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: the access door is on the opposite side. There's like

558
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: a structure on the top there, and the water tanks

559
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: are on one side of it, and the doorway to

560
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: the roof is on the other to the far side

561
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: of that. I would think that if you went up

562
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: there to close that door, just wanted to smoke a

563
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: cigarette whatever, you probably wouldn't go looking for any you know,

564
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: look searching the roof. You probably would just lock the

565
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: door and go back to your well. But what I'm

566
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: saying is that if this person goes back says, oops, crud,

567
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: I left this opener I found, Oh I didn't lock

568
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: it when I go we just make sure nobody's up

569
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: here before I shut the door on them and lock

570
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: them up. That's entirely possible. If they found clothes, I don't.

571
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if they take them, but well, you know,

572
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: if if you're on if you're not on good terms

573
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: with your employer, and you don't want to get in trouble,

574
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: you might just sweep something under the rug. I think that. So,

575
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: is it confirmed that they did not find your clothes? Well,

576
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: that's that's something I can't get a handle. I I

577
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: don't have an answer for that. Uh, and we'll go

578
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: ahead and we'll we'll we'll just talk about that right now.

579
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: She's found naked in the water tank. I don't find

580
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: any official reports that say that they found her close.

581
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: I've been on some forums where they've really hashed through

582
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: a lot of this story, and people on those forums

583
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: are saying that they found her clothes in the water tank,

584
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: but it's never I can never get it corroborated with

585
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: an official report of any kind, which I'm not I'm

586
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: not poo pooing forums at all, But unfortunately, if I

587
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: can't track down an official source, I can't say that

588
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: that's really what happened. Sure, and I guess you know,

589
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: we're talking that it may have been so wendy that

590
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: dogs could not pick up ascent on the roof. Right.

591
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: So if she, let's just say, for instance, if she

592
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: was like I'm going to go for a swim, because

593
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't in her right mind, and took all her

594
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: clothes off and left them on top of the water

595
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: tower and go into the water tower, her clothes could

596
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: have ostensibly blown away. Somebody could have found him in

597
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: the street. You know, she was having a manic episode.

598
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: You could have torn her clothes up and just flung

599
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: him over the side of the roof tip yeah, or

600
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: or it's possible. Um. And this actually kind of runs

601
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: into our next theory is if the water system is

602
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: so stopped up, the clothes drifted into the clothes might

603
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: have been sucked into the system because if you see

604
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: her in the footage, she looks like she's wearing basically

605
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: some basketball shorts a hoodie and made it for a skirt.

606
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean, whether it's shorts or a skirt,

607
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of material. So these things could

608
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: have easily been pulled into the system. Maybe not the

609
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: flip flops, but again, I have no idea what has

610
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: happened to her clothing? They yeah, they found him in

611
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: the tank. That would support the idea that she climbed

612
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: in for she fell in, climbed in whatever, was trying

613
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: to pull herself back out. And I don't know if

614
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: you guys, have you guys ever gone swimming fully clothed? Yeah? No,

615
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: you know how hard it is? Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah.

616
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: And it's like, so she's trying to pull herself up

617
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: and out of the water and through that hole again

618
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: and realizing her clothes are really weighing her down, so

619
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: she might have like taken them off, and maybe she

620
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: was desperately trying to get back up and out of

621
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: that hole. Well, and that that would make sense, But

622
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: again I don't know, I have no idea where closed

623
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: are um, So let's uh the whole thing with her

624
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: clothes though, and and what happened to him do still

625
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: lead to the second theory that I've got here or

626
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: another theory which is from the same forum that I

627
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: found the information about her um her clothes being in

628
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: the water tank. These same places I've also found theories

629
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: that said that she met with foul play from either

630
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: an employee or a resident of the building who was

631
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: in with the employees and knew how things work. Because

632
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: the thing to remember is that there are people who

633
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: permanently live in that hotel because they rent rooms by

634
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: the week, and so it's these people get their weekly

635
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, Medicaid or whatever support check it might be,

636
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: and it's very cheap to live there, so I'm just

637
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna live in this one room and they stay there.

638
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: So it could be that somebody who lived their long term,

639
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: which means they would know the ins and outs of

640
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: the hotel, could have been the one that lured who

641
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: are up to the roof and knew how to get

642
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: through the door, get up there without setting the alarm off.

643
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: And then this is where things get a little hinky,

644
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: is then coerced her into the tank and then they

645
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: hauled their clothes away somehow. Yeah, so somehow co coerced

646
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: or tricked or something like that. Yeah, I mean, this

647
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: is this is the thing is that if there's a

648
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: second person, I don't understand how they talked her into

649
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: getting into the water tank. Yeah. I don't get that either.

650
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: I mean it could have been it could have been

651
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: one of those things where you know, Hey, we're not

652
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: supposed to be up here. Hey, somebody's coming. We better

653
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: hide quick down that hatch. There's a you guys have

654
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: watched the newer Sherlock series, right, I have not. I

655
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: hear it's good. So there's a whole episode it's called

656
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: The Lady in Pink, about a serial killer who gets

657
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: his victims to take a poison capsule themselves and kill themselves.

658
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, granted that's a TV show

659
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: and it's based on Sherlock. You know, especially if this

660
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: girl is not totally in her right mind or under

661
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: your rest of some kind, or if she's running right,

662
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: maybe she thinks that's a great place to hide. You know,

663
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: she doesn't realize that it's a water tank and that

664
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: she's not going to be able to get back out.

665
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: She may not realize if it's dark, she might not

666
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: realize how far down the water is, and you might

667
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: hang herself, you know. I mean, think about it. And

668
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: I think Joe started this is that you get into

669
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: a body of water, You get into a pool, and

670
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: like a swimming pool, and the water is only three

671
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: inches above the level, or the top is above the water.

672
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: It's not too hard to pull yourself out. You double

673
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: that distance, and that's six inches from the water to

674
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: the platform. That's a little bit of harder now think

675
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: about it. It's a foot or two above your head. Yeah.

676
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: And also you know that if you have room to

677
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: work with, what you can sort of like lever yourself

678
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: up and splay your elbows out and everything like that.

679
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: You know, she had this little tiny opening. Well, and

680
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: let's think about the fact she's about my size. Actually,

681
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: she was a little taller and a little skinnier than

682
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, she's a hundred pounds. Yeah, so that's

683
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: two inches taller than I am. And we don't need

684
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: to talk about how much that I am. I know

685
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm not. I know it's shocking, but you know, I

686
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: am not in horrible shape, but I'm not in great shape.

687
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't pull myself out of something like that with

688
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: just my upper body strength, no way. And looking at

689
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: her and looking at pictures of her, even I think

690
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: in like a life or death situation, there's only so

691
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: much your body can do. I don't know that even

692
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: if the water was if she could get an armhold

693
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: or you know, like any kind of anything like that,

694
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: just using body s dring. Yeah, it would be very hard.

695
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: And the whole problem with this, this theory too, is

696
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: that if that had been the way she went, she

697
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: found herself trapped in here in the water and she

698
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: couldn't get out, they would have found damage to her fingers.

699
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: She would have spent the rest of her the rest

700
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: of her life before she drowned, clawing at the sides

701
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: of the tank. That's true. Additionally, I guess you think

702
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: of if they were doing a search like two days after,

703
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: like you could easily survive in there for two days. Well,

704
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: it depends it was really cold, So that means the

705
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: water is cold. How cold? Um, I'm gonna guess if

706
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: they were, I'm going to guess fifty degrees. Yeah, it

707
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: gets l a in January, does get kind of chilling.

708
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, so I don't know. Fifty degrees maybe

709
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: a little less with wind chill in the Have you

710
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: ever spent an extended about a period extended period of

711
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: time and water and and now that's how it starts

712
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: to just suck at your body. I guess that's true. Yeah, hypothermia.

713
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: What actually said? Yeah, well it's and I think I

714
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: know where you're going with this devon is that you

715
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: hear these stories of people who are in the ocean

716
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: for days and freezing cold water and they somehow survive.

717
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: But a lot of those people have something to hang

718
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: onto to float, so they don't have to put out

719
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: the energy to keep their head above water. Well, humans

720
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: do float for the most part, for the most part.

721
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, I guess, I think,

722
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: I kind of think. Ostensibly, I guess two days later,

723
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: she could have still been alive. It's possible, but hard people. Yeah,

724
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: But you know, the thing is, and here's the other

725
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: hard part, and this is this is what's damning for

726
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles police, is they were on the rough

727
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: and I've heard reports that one of them looked and

728
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: looked in the water tank and shut the lid. Really,

729
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything, now that I think it's the

730
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: chief of the Los Angeles Police said, Listen, it's an

731
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: eight foot deep tank with a sixteen inch hole. If

732
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: it's full of water and there's a body on the bottom,

733
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: it's very hard to see that. So I cannot fault

734
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: anybody for not seeing that. If that, if she was

735
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: there at that time, I would say that if anything,

736
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: if anything, you've got to give the guy credit for

737
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: actually going out there and looking at the tank. I

738
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't have Yeah, well, those tanks are hard to get

739
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: up into, right you here not a place you know? Actually,

740
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: I mean something has been made of that that they're like,

741
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, eight ten ft tall there? And and how

742
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: how did she get up there? Yeah, there's some talk

743
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: about how hard it was for the firefighters get up

744
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: there to get well here, Well, yeah, I don't want

745
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: to get your body out, but actually it's in terms

746
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: of getting up there, it wouldn't be that hard. Let

747
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: me show you. Let me show you a picture of

748
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: the tanks on the roof that we've seen these photos.

749
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Do you see the guard rail

750
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: next to the tank? That is true, next to one

751
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: of the sets of tanks. That is the tank she's in.

752
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: But you have to wonder what the distance between those.

753
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like it's like right next to it.

754
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Um couple. It's plausible that she could have stood on

755
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: the rail, leaned over and got off up, swung herself up.

756
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: I I will, I will agree with Joe. It's that

757
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: she could have gotten herself up there. That Yeah, I was,

758
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: I was not going to disagree with that. Yeah, I

759
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: would say the distance from the top of that rail

760
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: to the top of the tank is three or four

761
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: ft at the most. Yeah. Well, let's let's move on,

762
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: because there's there's more murder. Yes, I believe it or not,

763
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: there are more murder theories. And this is where it

764
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: gets a little farther fetched. Okay. So, like we said,

765
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: she's a very small woman. But again, those photos we

766
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: looked at, it's not impossible to carry a body up

767
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: into one of those tanks. Extremely difficult to do. So

768
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I say that because I don't put a lot of

769
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: stock in our the next couple of murder theories. But

770
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say this absolutely impossible, but it's

771
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: a reach. Okay. So the next one we've got is

772
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: that there is a serial killer in Los Angeles right

773
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: now and that Alyssa was the first victim. Here's where

774
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: this is coming from. About a month after she died,

775
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: another young woman college one college age was found dead,

776
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: and then a month later, another woman in her early

777
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 1: twenties was found dead. The only thing that links these

778
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: women is the fact that they were found drowned or

779
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: on the beach near water. Water is the only thing

780
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: that's the linking connection. But people have said that that's

781
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: a link and that somebody's going around and well, of

782
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: course they couldn't recreate the water tank because that's a

783
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: pretty random thing. But now that this dude is just

784
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: out there drowning women, the circumstances of each of these

785
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: deaths are so different. And now in the case in

786
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: the case of these other two women, where they obviously

787
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: murdered or they just don't Yeah, no, it was one

788
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: of them was a prostitute and it was obvious that

789
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: she was murdered, and the other one, this woman washed up,

790
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: and then I couldn't find a whole lot of information

791
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: on or after the fact. But if you wash up

792
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: on the beach, generally you're not a swimmer who you know,

793
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: couldn't make it back to shore. It's not usually the case.

794
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go out on a limb. I

795
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: think that there is a serial killer. I think we

796
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: can say positively that he's an aquarious Okay, okay, bad joke. Yeah,

797
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: that I should be a that eliminates like, uh, you know,

798
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: twelve people. So there you go, yeah, there you go.

799
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: All right. The next theory, which this one goes even

800
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: farther afield is that two weeks before Elyssa disappeared, she

801
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: tweeted a link about a Canadian firm that had gotten

802
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: funding from the Pentagon to pursue research for the U.

803
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: S Military uh in cloaking devices. That tweet has gotten

804
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: people to say that somehow she knew too much about

805
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: this program, and the cloaking device was real, and the

806
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: person that she was talking to in the elevator was

807
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: wearing said cloaking device and either she could see them

808
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: and the camera couldn't, or she couldn't see them but

809
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: knew they were there, and they're the one that is

810
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: responsible for her. Okay, So in the defense of this,

811
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: this is Harry Potter, sure, But in the defense of this,

812
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: it does look like talking to evade someone in the beginning,

813
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: and then she's talking to someone you know, you were saying,

814
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: it kind of looked like she was just like playing around,

815
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: But she was playing around in a way that people

816
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: don't play around alone. You know, like you don't hide

817
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: and jump out if you think you're alone, you hide

818
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: and jump out at your friend who's walking down the

819
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: hall after you, or you know you are trying to

820
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: evade someone. So you stand in the very corner of

821
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: an elevator, so when they walk past, it looks like

822
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: in there, you know. So in the defense of this,

823
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say, oh, it's an invisibility cloak,

824
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: but I am willing to say that the theory of

825
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: somebody being there, which is, but that's that's totally separate

826
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: from this invisibility I don't know, I kind of like

827
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: invisibility cloak. Yeah, it's a great idea. You're a huge

828
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: fan of Harry Pott. Yeah, here's here's the thing. She

829
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: tweeted a link to an article. She tweeted a link

830
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: to an article. So okay, So she apparently she was

831
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: the only person in the world who saw this our

832
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: to call. Yeah, that's absolute hard part. And and there's

833
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: there's and I'm not going to go through a bout there.

834
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: There are other theories that a particular person killed her.

835
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: I found this again again on a lot of forum boards.

836
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: Everybody talked about a particular person, and they all used

837
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: a assigned code name for this guy. But I could

838
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: never find out who it was. And I can never

839
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: again find anything substantial other than these people batting around

840
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: saying this guy. They if I understood it was this

841
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: guy was a resident of the hotel. But no name,

842
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: no sores, no nothing. So I can't I can't follow

843
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: down that path because I just I can't support it.

844
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: You would expect that. I'm sure the l a p

845
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: D took a good hard look at term residents know

846
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: for uh is for a national the correct word to use, uh,

847
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, loses their life in a hotel in your city.

848
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: You are going to put everybody in the rack and

849
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: get every detail, especially an attractive young woman, attractive young

850
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: woman that is getting national publicity, international, international, thank you,

851
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: before we get into what is the official version of everything. Uh,

852
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things or one other thing that

853
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: I want to go through that still in my mind

854
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of stands out one or two. Actually, one is

855
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: I saw a timeline of her trip, and people had

856
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: figured out, uh, you know, when she had been in

857
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: the prior city, when she had gotten to l A

858
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: her last side by the hotel staff, and then and

859
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: when she was in the elevator. And there's a day

860
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: difference between the date stamp. Evidently between the last day

861
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: she was seen and the date stamp in the elevator footage.

862
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: There's a difference of a day, so on the thirty

863
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: feet of January she doesn't call her parents, and then

864
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: the footage is from February one of her in the elevator,

865
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: So there's the full day there that we don't know

866
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: what's happened to her. Well on February one, and it

867
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: could have been one of the more it could have

868
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: been one in the morning, it could have been eleven

869
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: o'clock at night. Um, I mean, I know, Joe, you

870
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: said you found some stuff about her having been seen

871
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: in the area. Yeah, the last and you know, but

872
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: somebody people she was reported to have been seen in

873
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: the bookstore a few blocks away from the hotel. It's

874
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: called the Last Bookstore. But I don't have any it's

875
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: not a confirmed thing, so don't anybody go writing any

876
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: books about it or anything like that. So the date

877
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: is unsure. This place, by the way, is a little

878
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: side is called the Last Bookstore, So do google on

879
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: what Last Bookstore, Los Angeles and look at some of

880
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: the pictures because it's a it's a trippy places. Admit.

881
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: You showed me the photos. Yeah, it's very cool and

882
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: uh and I went to their website. Also because according

883
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: to this report, she was spotted at the bookstore hanging out.

884
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: She was apparently talking a lot and and sort of

885
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: accosting some of the customers and annoying people. Yeah, gal

886
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: erratic um, and which supports the theory that she was

887
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: having a manic episode. She was also reportedly buying books

888
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: and records. I looked at their website and this web

889
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: this bookstore does indeed sell records, remember those things, vinyl

890
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, very apparently buying books, And when

891
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: you think about it, you know that also supports the

892
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: theory of a manic episode, because what sensible person when

893
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: they're traveling would buy heavy, heavy stuff and especially things

894
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: like records, you know, yeah and oh um. But anyway,

895
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 1: this is the report that I heard. Yeah, So that

896
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: that's the thing, is that the timeline there's big gaps

897
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: in it, which weirds me out. And like I said before,

898
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: I still cannot find anything official that says was there

899
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: water in her lungs when she died. She was in

900
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: a water tank for a couple of weeks, so honestly,

901
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: there's water in her lungs when they pulled her out

902
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: of the tank. But I haven't seen anything that says, well,

903
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: it's obviously she died from drowning. Other than the official

904
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: cause and and the ladies and gentleman, like I said before,

905
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: the official cause was accidental drowning with mental illness playing

906
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: a leading factory. Here's the piece of the puzzle that

907
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: we've held back, and this is probably the worst piece

908
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: of the puzzle, and this is for her, which is

909
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: that she was severely bipolar. If not severely, she was

910
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: severe is probably the wrong word. She's bipolar, which if

911
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: you've really if you go and you read her blog

912
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: that she had on tumbler, she talks about her depression

913
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: and she writes about it, and it really you can

914
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: tell that this woman has fallen into some pretty dark

915
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: times at points, which makes me think that she's going

916
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: to have equally as manic highs. Her Instagram on like

917
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: forums online, it's been one of those things that people

918
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: like really like to talk about along with her Tumbler.

919
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, she only died a year ago, so Tumbler

920
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: is still active, by the way, it's not active, but

921
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: it's still up. So her Instagram was last updated um

922
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: a year and a couple of weeks ago, so it

923
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: wasn't like close to her death. It was, you know,

924
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: like a month before her death. But her very last

925
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: one is like this picture off of a rooftop and

926
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: she's captioned it because it stops for no one. Time

927
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: is constant and I must move with it. So I

928
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: feel like could be trying to be profound or could be.

929
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: But you know, I've kind of looked through these such

930
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: a creepy thing to admit about myself, right that I've

931
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: looked through this dead girl's Instagram. But like a lot

932
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: of her stuff are like it's really depressive, it's really down,

933
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that it's probably true that

934
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: if she gets that down, she probably gets crazy up. Yeah,

935
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: and this is this is something that makes me really

936
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: wonder about her family, is that they had to have

937
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: been aware of a condition, Oh absolutely, And why they

938
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 1: would let her take off solo on a trip like this, Yeah,

939
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: is a little mysterious to well, but Joe, It's it's

940
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: not uncommon for folks that are in her situation. Medication

941
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: is typically the standard answer. Yeah, maybe she stopped taking

942
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: her I was gonna say that, how often have you

943
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: heard stories of, well, they stopped taking their meds? And

944
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: it could have been that she was having a time

945
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: because some of the stuff she put up, she was

946
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: going out, she was having fun. She might have thought, well,

947
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm just having fun and I shouldn't take my meds

948
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: while I'm drinking, So I'm not going to take my meds.

949
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: And again this is not this is not to say

950
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: anything against Alissa. This is just me making a theory.

951
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: But it may have been. It could be that she

952
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: just decided to for whatever reason, to skip a dose

953
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: and skip another dose and then she went on downline.

954
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: But I still I don't And this is the thing

955
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: about the whole the story is, I don't understand what

956
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: would prompt someone to decide to go skinny dipping in

957
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: a water tank on the rooftop in the winter. And

958
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: the whole thing is that she didn't go up there

959
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: obviously with the intentive going skinny dipping, because she undoubtedly

960
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: was not even aware that the existence of these tanks.

961
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah well, yeah, well we don't know where clothes are,

962
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: so we don't know she took a towel, yeah, you know.

963
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is obvious. Her clothes must

964
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: have been there, because I can't imagine the l a

965
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: p D just saying, oh, you know, here she's found

966
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: nude or closure nowhere to be found up case close

967
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, I mean so I'm thinking her clothes

968
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: had to be had to have been found. Well, I

969
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: don't know it. Yeah, that's the only way to find

970
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: out is to you know, look at the case file.

971
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: The alp d're willing to just obviously share with us.

972
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: They don't like us. We have a checkered past with them. Yeah.

973
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: Well here's uh that's really those are the theories and

974
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: those are the facts we have. I do also have

975
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: one other random bit that the Internet has had a

976
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: field day with, as they tend to, which is that

977
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: after her body was found, there was an outbreak of

978
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: TV or tuberculosis in that area, and it was a

979
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: evidently a very strong strain that was resistant to a

980
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: lot of the drugs that are known to treat TV,

981
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: so they were testing for it. The test is called

982
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: lamb alyssa, oh, which everybody went crazy on and said

983
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: that there was some conspiracy theory. Okay, well I'm gonna

984
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: put that to bed because I know that anybody that's

985
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: listening to this is gonna go and look at some

986
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: of the stuff and they're gonna come across that and wonder. Uh.

987
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: It's a very simple answer. The part of the test

988
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: uses that that looks for TV uses antibodies and a

989
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: color change to identify the substance that is being tested,

990
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: and that is alyssa. Uh. The other part is a

991
00:56:53,920 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: microbacterium specific component that is part of basillity's cell wall,

992
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: and that's the LAMB. This is the most technical we

993
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: have ever been on the show. This is the most technical.

994
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: And I skipped a bunch of big words. I know,

995
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm watched it. Thank you. Joe are like resident pronunciator.

996
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: He is, He's He's our version of Mikey. That's one

997
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about. That is all the information

998
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 1: now that we've gone through the TV link. That's all

999
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: the all of the facts and all the details that

1000
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: I've been able to wrangle up on the story of

1001
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: a list alam And I mean, it's a sad story

1002
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: no matter whether we figure it out. I know you

1003
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: love to figure this story out, Joe and answer the mystery.

1004
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: But regardless, it's a it's a sad story, and it's

1005
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: it's just even if we knew the answer, I have

1006
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: a feeling that all the other circumstances in it would

1007
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: still make it stand out. Is is kind of a creeper,

1008
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: well a little bit, you know. And I think the

1009
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: other thing about this is that it's really recent. Yeah,

1010
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: it's so new, and we're so close to it. You know.

1011
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: We've got these other cases that are, you know, fifty

1012
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: sixty years old, and they have questions on them, but

1013
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: there are more facts and they always come out, you know,

1014
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years after the fact, or and there's

1015
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: no video footage. The video footage is probably what makes

1016
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: this one stand out the most. Yeah, I think there's

1017
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: just a lot of weird stuff, and I think I'm

1018
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: sad to say that. I don't think that we'll ever

1019
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: have a good answer. Yeah, I don't. I don't think

1020
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: it will ever be solved either. I think the I

1021
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: do think there's highly possible there was another person involved.

1022
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: They might not necessarily a murdered her, but if they did,

1023
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: probably the best way to find that person, if they're

1024
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: if they're living in the hotel is to question the

1025
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: hotel staff and just ask to any of your long

1026
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: term residents, have you noticed that some of them have

1027
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: change their behavior a little bit and started buying a

1028
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: lot of bottled water and bring it in the room. Yeah.

1029
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: So I guess my my thing with this whole whole

1030
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: thing is that like I have I have, I have

1031
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: a female friend who you guys have met, who she

1032
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: travels the world alone all the time. Um. And one

1033
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: of the things that she talks about there are a

1034
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: lot of people who do this, they just travel alone. Um.

1035
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: But you make friends on the road, And I think

1036
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: that it's unlikely to me that Alyssa had was truly

1037
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: always alone in this situation. You know, if you're you're

1038
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: traveling friends, you have a friends somebody, you know, you

1039
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: find a friend who's traveling somebody who's staying at this

1040
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: like horrible hotel with you, you know that you can

1041
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: like make fun of or whatever you find companionship as

1042
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: as human things you want to do. So, you know,

1043
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: I think it whether it was just like a friend,

1044
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: they were just like playing around in the elevator and

1045
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: we like have horribly misinterpreted it because she ended up

1046
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: dead a couple hours later, or you know, it was

1047
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: something sinister. Who knows, But I do agree Joe. I

1048
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: know it's super rare occurrence, but Joe and I agree

1049
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: there there had to have been somebody else involved it

1050
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: was the elevator incident. It certainly appears it was somebody else. Yeah. Yeah,

1051
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: And again, the interesting thing for me is like that

1052
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: person that that person, well might be this might just

1053
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 1: be sheer coincidence, but that person seemed to be aware

1054
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: of the existence of that security camera in the elevator. Yeah,

1055
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: that was weird. Yeah, sure, that's otherwise. I mean, if

1056
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: you want to hold an elevator, do you stand there

1057
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: holding the button or do you just put your hand

1058
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: on the door and hold the doorback. That's the easy

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Speaker 1: That's the easy way to do it, isn't it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess unless you were like messing with the person inside, right,

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Speaker 1: Like she went in and pushed a button, and you

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01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: wanted to mess with her, so you just, like he

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: stood and held the button, make a little hidden from her,

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: so she would like jump out to see what's going on,

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01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: and you would go and she would go, oh my gosh,

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01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: that's so funny. Right, and then you would sit there

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01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: and talk with your hands like moving a little bit,

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01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: and then you guys would walk up together. Right, but

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01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: let's stay open for a really long time. Yeah, it's

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01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: a four minutive video whatever it is. I mean the

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: version that's on YouTube is four minutes long, and if

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 1: it's if that's been sped up a little bit, then

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: it's six minutes ramus, whatever it is, it's an extended

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01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: amount of time. So I don't know this. This is

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01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: what I'm I'm doing my normal fallback of I don't

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: want to make a decision because I can't see someone

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: and this is in their rational mind getting into a

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01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: water tank. But I don't know that she was in

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01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: that state of mind. I guess even in like a

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01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: it's not like, um, somebody who's bipolar is like has

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01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: a break with reality though, right, I mean, like you

1082
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: have your manneq and your depressive states, but it's not

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01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: like you have totally disassociated. But it's a good idea

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01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: to crawl in this. I've I've I've known people who

1085
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: are bipolar, and when they're up, they're making bad decisions.

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: You could equate it to a friend who drinks too

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: much and is having a good time and says this

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01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be an awesome idea and does something that

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: is the worst idea in the world, but they are

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01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: not thinking outside of that narrow tunnel vision of this

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01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: is gonna be red and then when they get there.

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Speaker 1: Oh no. But again, as Joe said, if that were

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01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: the case her hands, you know there there should have

1094
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: been some trauma to her hands well, and that that

1095
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: actually blames me back to one terrible fact that I

1096
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: did read, which may be why we don't know this.

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01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the phrase d gloving? Oh gosh,

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01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: this is when a body and water this in begins

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: to release and her she was degloved. The skin on

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: her arms and her hands had pulled away on its own.

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01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: So there may have been damaged to the skin that

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: we don't know about. Yeah, and I'm sorry for grossing

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01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: out Devon and anybody else at the very end of

1104
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: this show, you know, making everybody uncomfortable, and I really

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01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: apologized for that. But that was another fact that that

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: we need to consider. For me, it's just that term

1107
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: you could say, like her hands started to decompose off

1108
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: her body. That's not so upsetting to me. It's the

1109
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: fact that you call it de gloving that's just disgusting.

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01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: Then unfortunately, that's the that's the medical I know, and

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01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: I just can't. Yeah, So okay, my theory is that

1112
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: she befriended a guy who unfortunately happened to be a

1113
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: serial killer, and he took her up to there. He

1114
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: took her out there, they climbed to the top of

1115
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: the tank to look at the stars and the incredible view.

1116
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: And then he like smothered it with a pillow, and

1117
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: which is why there's no signs of, you know, any

1118
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: sort of marks on her body. So smother it with

1119
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: a pillow. And then she thought he was bringing the

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01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: pillow up to sit on, you know, but he brought

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01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: it up to murder her with. Uh. And then he

1122
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: stripped her naked, throws her clothes over the side of

1123
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: the building, knowing that her body won't be found for

1124
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: a long time and the clothes will be long gone

1125
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: by that time, and then just plunk short of the

1126
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: tank and jumps to the ground and goes on his way. Yeah,

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: I do lean towards the official version that she probably

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01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: put herself in the tank. Yeah, it's it's inexplicable. That's

1129
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: why that perfect way to say it. And I really

1130
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: appreciate that joke because that's the word I could. It's inexplicable,

1131
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm behind that theory. But that's the that's

1132
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: the most I can be behind any theory. Yeah, I

1133
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: mean it's possible, but it's it's a it's a little

1134
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: hard to believe it was Harry Potter. Oh, the invisibility cloak. Yeah. Yeah,

1135
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: she was kind of a nerd again, the stuff you

1136
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: find out about people when you stalk there, you know, whatever,

1137
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: profiles after they've died. But like, you know, she would

1138
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: tweet pictures of like the Arthur Conan Doyle's room and

1139
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: like it was closed. So she was super upset because

1140
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: she just wanted to go see like the sherlock room.

1141
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: And you're just kind of a nerds to the bookstore,

1142
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, why why couldn't it be Harry Potter. Harry

1143
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: Potter hits nerds, he does. It's true. Yeah, this is

1144
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: this is the whole new series of books in the

1145
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: Harry Potter Harry Potters on Nerds. Yeah. Well, ladies and gentlemen,

1146
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: all the links a bunch of the links for this

1147
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: particular episode. This particular story will be on the website

1148
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Speaker 1: as usual. Website is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. If

1149
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: you want to tell us something that you think about

1150
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,120
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1151
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: the website, or you can go ahead and send us

1152
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: an email. That email address is Thinking Sideways Podcast at

1153
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Don't forget to find us and like

1154
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,200
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1155
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Speaker 1: we are also have all of our shows available for

1156
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,720
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1157
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: might have on Stitcher, so you can listen to it

1158
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: all right there. And of course, for this show that

1159
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: you're listening to you right now, you've probably got it

1160
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: off of iTunes. But if you're listening to it off

1161
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: of our website or Stitcher, feel free to go ahead

1162
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 1: and download it and subscribe to it via iTunes. It's

1163
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: always available right there. Uh, that having been said, really

1164
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: appreciate all of the listeners send us story ideas. I

1165
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: know we've gotten some feedback and some some great comments

1166
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: and compliments, and thank you everybody for that. And we

1167
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: will try and work our way through the stories that

1168
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: you're sending us while we're looking at all the other

1169
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: ones that keep peaking our interests. And also, if you

1170
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: are the murderer, we want to hear from you, so

1171
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: send us a name now and just tell us what

1172
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: really happened. Actually, no, I don't want that person. I'm

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01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: not interested yourself. Thanks everybody, we'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Bye everybody, Bye,