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Speaker 1: Welcome in Friday edition of the program. Buck ducked out

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Speaker 1: last hour. He's doing a bunch of final minimum minute

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Speaker 1: across the country thanks to you guys, Manufacturing Delusion. You

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Speaker 1: can go buy your copy like I did. The President

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Speaker 1: of the United States has just ended his press conference

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Speaker 1: and walked out discussing all of the impacts of today's

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling on tariffs. If you did not hear

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Speaker 1: six to three, we'll get into this more some this hour.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court ruled that President Trump did not have

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Speaker 1: the authority to implement the tariffs as he had done

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Speaker 1: under the existing legislation, but they did not tell us

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Speaker 1: what should happen with the tariffs that have been collected

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Speaker 1: did so far. They also, in the dissent Brett Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: specifically said, hey, we think he does have the authority

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Speaker 1: if he puts it under this legislation instead. The President

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Speaker 1: has now said he will be doing that again. I'll

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Speaker 1: put my lawyer hat on and discuss some of this

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Speaker 1: going forward with all of you, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: details coming out there. We are joined now, though, by

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Speaker 1: by a woman that I'm excited to have on the

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Speaker 1: program who wrote a really powerful op ed in the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal last week detailing what her life was

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Speaker 1: like as she got caught in the gender transition medical system,

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Speaker 1: beginning at the age of eleven. She decided that she

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Speaker 1: was under the tutelage of a lot of different people.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear her story in detail, that she

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Speaker 1: was a girl in a boy's body, began to receive

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Speaker 1: treatments for that, and then as she got older, came

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Speaker 1: to regret that immensely. And her name is Soren al Daco.

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Speaker 1: She is with us right now. Soren. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: writing the op ed that you did in the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal, and I appreciate you coming on with us

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Speaker 1: right now. So I just want to give you an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to tell your story. I believe, according to what

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Speaker 1: I've heard, you started receiving treatments around the age of eleven.

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Speaker 1: Tell us how that happened and what your experience was

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Speaker 1: like in the gender reassignment.

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Speaker 2: World, Yeah, thanks for having me well. At age eleven,

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Speaker 2: I was actually kind of doing all of.

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Speaker 3: This on my own.

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Speaker 2: I was on the Internet in all different corners of

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Speaker 2: the Internet, from chat rooms to online art forums, and

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Speaker 2: unfortunately I got into some pretty pretty dark corners where

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Speaker 2: I was groomed. So already going through something that kids

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Speaker 2: struggle with generally, right puberty, I have this added trauma

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Speaker 2: on top of that, this thing that made me feel

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Speaker 2: scared in my body. And when I was speaking to

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Speaker 2: some of those girls on the art forum, I discovered

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Speaker 2: transgender identity as a manifestation almost of the role playing

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Speaker 2: that we were doing, this idea that I could adopt

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Speaker 2: like the characters that we would create. So that was

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Speaker 2: actually after having a fight with my stepdad, and it

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Speaker 2: was inpatient that a psychiatrist pressured me to come out

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Speaker 2: actually my distress had nothing to do with my home life,

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Speaker 2: I was transgender. So fast forward two years after that,

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Speaker 2: I met a nurse practitioner through a support group that

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Speaker 2: my dad and my stepmom were taking me to. He

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Speaker 2: prescribed me testosterone without my mom's consent after just thirty minutes,

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Speaker 2: and by age nineteen, I had a double mistake to

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, that is a big picture. I want

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Speaker 1: these details. And again, thank you for coming on and

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Speaker 1: telling us this story. So eleven years old, you are

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Speaker 1: You were an unhappy eleven year old. It sounds like

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is this occurred around the same time that

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Speaker 2: I actually entered onto the Internet using handheld Nintendo device

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Speaker 2: my DSi I stood for Internet and the app specifically

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Speaker 1: So this had nothing to do in theory with gender

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you were profoundly unhappy. How old are you now, by.

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Speaker 3: The way, I'm twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're twenty three at fifteen, I want to go.

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Speaker 1: I believe you said you went in to see a psychiatrist,

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Speaker 1: of this was that you were, in fact a boy

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Speaker 1: tell the psychiatrist that, what is that discussion like quizzing?

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Speaker 1: And for your parents, now that you can look back

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Speaker 2: When I first spoke to the psychiatrist, he was mostly

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Speaker 2: curious about why the name on my door was different

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Speaker 2: He had asked me, you know, when are you happy?

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Speaker 2: What are moments that you find happiness? And I told

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Speaker 2: him about this summer camp I was going to at

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Speaker 2: Duke University. It was like, I gets it and talented

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Speaker 2: also being socially transitioned. At this camp. All the faculty

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Speaker 2: and instead of recognizing that it was just okay, you

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Speaker 2: three weeks when I came from a hard home life. Right,

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Speaker 1: So he attributed your happiness not to being in a comfortable,

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Speaker 1: but instead to the fact that they were telling you

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Speaker 2: That's correct, Yeah, because at home, my family just they

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't have entertained the idea that I was a boy.

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Speaker 2: And when they were told, they were actually super shocked.

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Speaker 2: My mom and my stepdad, who had raised me my

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Speaker 2: She liked girls. But you know, the idea that I

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Speaker 1: Okay, so fifteen, he says, the doctor. She says, the

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Speaker 1: to get testosterone. If I jotted down my notes correctly,

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Speaker 2: There was no sign off required. There were maybe forms

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Speaker 3: But my mom, who is the only one.

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Speaker 2: On my birth certificate, the only one legally allowed to

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Speaker 1: So seventeen years old, you're on testosterone. Nineteen years old,

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Speaker 1: so just after you attained the age of majority, you

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Speaker 1: decide that you want to have top surgery, you want

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Speaker 2: When I first wanted to get a mastectomy, I remember

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Speaker 2: going into these Facebook groups where countless other young women

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Speaker 2: for a few basically confirmia I want the surgery, and

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Speaker 2: But when I had the surgery a week before, was

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Speaker 2: smoke cigarettes, which I didn't even do at the time.

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Speaker 2: That was about the only advice I was given. And

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Speaker 1: Huh, no, I was just gonna say, your insurance pays

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Speaker 1: a healthy nineteen year old girl to have her breast removed,

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Speaker 1: and basically you barely meet the doctor, You go in

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Speaker 2: And what's unfortunate is in the case of the surgeries

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Speaker 2: that they give these young people who identify as trands,

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Speaker 2: in the case of these mistectomies, they're drainless. Regular mistectomies

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Speaker 2: have dreams. The women's stay overnight in many cases these,

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Speaker 2: you know, I was sent I was sent home the

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Speaker 2: for postop. But by then I was I was bruising significantly.

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Speaker 2: I had blood pooling in my chest and in my sides,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't really seem to think it was a

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Speaker 1: This seems like and again I don't know very much

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Speaker 1: about it, but to have your breast removed as basically

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Speaker 1: this sounds barbaric to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, it's absurd in hindsight.

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Speaker 1: And so when did you start to question the decisions

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Speaker 1: What do you wish you could say to eleven year

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Speaker 1: Well, we are all of us in this audience rooting

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Speaker 1: us and sharing that story in the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: because what do you hear all the time if you're

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Speaker 1: a mom, or your dad, or your grandma or grandpa,

441
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Speaker 1: or you're a teacher, you're a preacher. They have really

442
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Speaker 1: tried to emotionally manipulate people by saying, would you rather

443
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Speaker 1: have I guarantee you. At some point, Soren's family heard

444
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Speaker 1: would you rather have a dead daughter or a live son?

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Speaker 1: The idea being if you don't allow these surgeries to happen,

446
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Speaker 1: your kid's gonna commit suicide and it's going to be

447
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Speaker 1: your fault. It's just it. It is barbaric that we

448
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Speaker 1: have allowed this to occur in any way. And I

449
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Speaker 1: think this is one where the plainiff's lawyers out there.

450
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Speaker 1: I know we got plainiffs lawyers listening. This is one

451
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Speaker 1: where the plainiff's lawyers are going to be the good

452
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Speaker 1: guys because it's going to take multimillion dollar verdicts. We

453
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Speaker 1: just saw one come out of New York. For a

454
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Speaker 1: lot of people to do what they know they should do,

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Speaker 1: but they're cowards to do it. What do I mean

456
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Speaker 1: by that. There's a lot of bean counters that work

457
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Speaker 1: in hospitals trying to get their eight percent increased profit

458
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Speaker 1: margin every year. And when they start to see insurance

459
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Speaker 1: rates go up on these surgeries because the doctors are

460
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Speaker 1: getting hit with huge medical malpractice bills, a lot of

461
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Speaker 1: them are going to start to do what we've seen

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Speaker 1: happen all over the country. They're going to start to say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know if this hospital should

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Speaker 1: do these kind of surgeries anymore. It's not because they're

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Speaker 1: making the moral choice. It's because they're going to use

466
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Speaker 1: the business side imperatives to dictate the choices that they make.

467
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Speaker 1: And they may know morally it's been in the wrong,

468
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Speaker 1: but they're afraid of being targeted by the trans community

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Speaker 1: where they say, oh, my goodness, insert hospital here doesn't

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Speaker 1: allow top surgeries anymore for teenage girls. They're the bad guy,

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Speaker 1: and they're afraid of losing their job and having themselves targeted,

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Speaker 1: so they can use the financial side as an excuse

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Speaker 1: for why they should be making the choice that they're

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Speaker 1: not morally brave enough to make. Plain of lawyers fire

475
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Speaker 1: file these lawsuits. Members of the state legislature file bills

476
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Speaker 1: eliminating statute of limitations for anyone who has so called

477
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Speaker 1: gender reassignment surgery. Allow these kids as they age into

478
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Speaker 1: adults and realize what adults did to them, to come

479
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Speaker 1: back and hold the doctors, to the hospitals, the insurance

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Speaker 1: companies accountable for decisions that frankly, they weren't old enough

481
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Speaker 1: and mature enough to be able to make on their own.

482
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Speaker 1: And I think you're gonna hear, sadly, way more people

483
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Speaker 1: like Storren coming out and speaking out and telling you

484
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Speaker 1: about what happened to them. A lot of people weighing

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Speaker 1: in Genie in Syracuse, New York, What about Genie, what

486
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Speaker 1: have you got for us.

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Speaker 5: For I feel that everyone that encountered this young woman

488
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Speaker 5: is at fault. And I totally agree with everything you

489
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Speaker 5: just said, because as an eighty three year old woman,

490
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Speaker 5: I still remember puber Tea and I remember at least

491
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Speaker 5: five friends that went through different systems than I did.

492
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Speaker 5: We had to discuss it. But in my age, the

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Speaker 5: nurse would send a note home to my mother and

494
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Speaker 5: father and say, I want to have your child be

495
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Speaker 5: meet with the nurse with just women and discuss what

496
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Speaker 5: they're going through as they eleven and twelve year old.

497
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Speaker 5: I have not even heard a thing about Latin now,

498
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Speaker 5: and it made a difference. It explained why you have

499
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Speaker 5: this feeling, that feeling, and no one listened except the

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Speaker 5: mother to this young woman, and they're all at fault.

501
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Speaker 5: The camp is at fault. They didn't hear you say

502
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Speaker 5: about that camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean thank you for the call to you.

504
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Speaker 1: And let me just say this, tomboys are real. There's

505
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Speaker 1: a lot of you out there listening right now that

506
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Speaker 1: when you were ten, eleven, twelve years old, you might

507
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: addressed like a boy. You might have run around and

508
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: played athletics with boys. You might have felt more like

509
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Speaker 1: you were a boy than a girl, and then puberty

510
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: happens and everybody's a little bit uncomfortable with their body

511
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Speaker 1: when puberty happens, boys and girls. And instead of somebody saying, hey,

512
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be okay, like Jeanie just said, who's eighty

513
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Speaker 1: three years old? People had sanity back then. Now it

514
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Speaker 1: is a form of toxic empathy. And the camp is

515
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Speaker 1: guilty too. The camp thought that they were being kind.

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Speaker 1: They thought that they were helping a troubled child by

517
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Speaker 1: telling her, oh, you're really a boy. Sometimes the best

518
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Speaker 1: love is tough love. Adults sitting down kids and saying,

519
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: I know you feel this way right now, You're wrong.

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Speaker 1: Trust me on this. And by the way, what's the

521
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: harm in saying if you still feel this way when

522
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Speaker 1: you are twenty five or thirty five or forty five,

523
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: you have an entire life to change your body. You

524
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Speaker 1: don't need to do it when you're fifteen or seventeen.

525
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: You don't need to have your breast chopped off at

526
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Speaker 1: nineteen in elective surgery. I just can't believe we're here

527
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Speaker 1: at all. Kevin in San Ramon, California, Kevin, what you

528
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: got for us? I love you?

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Speaker 6: Guys and looking to get Klay's or Bucks book, but

530
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 6: looking at the serious XM for three hours of that.

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Speaker 6: I hope that comes up soon.

532
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Speaker 1: And let me let me say, sorry to cut you off, Kevin.

533
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Speaker 1: We are only on channel one twenty three first two hours,

534
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: so it's not your serious that's wrong. If you're reaching out, SiriusXM.

535
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: The third hour is being added soon on channel one

536
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: twenty three. First two hours are there if you're listening

537
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: and then you're like, wait, what happened? I promise the

538
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: third hour is coming soon. Sorry to cut you off, Kevin,

539
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: but we've gotten some questions about that, and I wanted

540
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Speaker 1: to make sure that I mentioned it.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: I think that was Kevin calling in. I hope he

543
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Speaker 1: gets Buck's book. Buck had to duck out. He's doing

544
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: promotion everywhere for that book. Frank and fort Myers, Florida. Frank,

545
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: thanks for calling.

546
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Speaker 8: Yes, thanks for taking my call. I love your show.

547
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: Listen.

548
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Speaker 8: I sorry, I disagree with you with the doctors in

549
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Speaker 8: the hospitals being accountable. What about the accountability of the parents.

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Speaker 6: Then to.

551
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Speaker 8: Surgery.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a question. Hold on, let

553
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Frank and I want you

554
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Speaker 1: to think about this as if you're a mom or dad.

555
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm a dad. If a doctor sits down, if a

556
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Speaker 1: doctor sits down with you, and your kid is incredibly troubled,

557
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Speaker 1: and you're taking him to a psychiatrist, you're taking him

558
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Speaker 1: to a psychologist, You're taking him to all different sorts

559
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: of doctors, and they say to you, if your daughter

560
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Speaker 1: doesn't have this surgery, she's going to kill herself. This

561
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: is medically necessary. In my opinion, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: the parents that are the villains here. I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I wish that more. That's why I want to have

564
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Speaker 1: this conversation. I wish that more parents would push back.

565
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Speaker 1: But a lot of us parents, grandparents, teachers have been

566
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Speaker 1: taught defer to doctors on medical judgment. When a doctor

567
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Speaker 1: who has gone to school for seven years is saying,

568
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Speaker 1: in my professional opinion, your son or daughter needs this surgery,

569
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Speaker 1: I think it's hard for most parents to say, particularly

570
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Speaker 1: when they're being emotionally manipulated and they're saying, your kid's

571
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Speaker 1: gonna kill themselves unless we do this surgery. I think

572
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Speaker 1: it's hard to blame the parents.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a bit extreme. I still they

574
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Speaker 8: should have taken to another doctor.

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Speaker 3: Then I disagree with that.

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Speaker 8: I do believe that the parents are at one hundred

577
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Speaker 8: percent full here for allowness to go through.

578
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you,

579
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Speaker 1: hold on, frank, let me ask you this. What if

580
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Speaker 1: instead of sore and saying I think I'm a boy

581
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Speaker 1: and a girl's body, she had said I think I'm

582
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Speaker 1: a pirate and I need to have my leg chopped

583
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Speaker 1: off because I want a peg leg, and I want

584
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Speaker 1: you to also take one of my eyes because I

585
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: want to wear an eyepatch. And a doctor said, you

586
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Speaker 1: know what, I think you are a pirate. We should

587
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Speaker 1: take your leg off and your eye off. Would you

588
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Speaker 1: think that the doctor deserved no criticism now.

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Speaker 8: Because the doctor's completely wrong. So I said, go to

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Speaker 8: another doctor.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate you. But what if all the doctors,

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Speaker 1: what if it thinks, were the call. What if the

593
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Speaker 1: medical establishment all had the same opinion, which they did

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Speaker 1: until about a year ago, which is this is medically

595
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Speaker 1: necessary surgery. And what if they had fought so hard

596
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Speaker 1: think about this, insurance covered it. Insurance companies cover a

597
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old girl saying I need to get my

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Speaker 1: boobs chopped off. Now, not to get graphic with you,

599
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: but insurance companies would not cover a nineteen year old

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Speaker 1: girl who went in and said, my boobs are not

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Speaker 1: big enough. I need to have breast augmentation surgery. We

602
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Speaker 1: got a whole rig job going on here. And by

603
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Speaker 1: the way, you can have all different sorts of plastic

604
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Speaker 1: surgery if that makes you happier, But unless it's medically necessary,

605
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Speaker 1: it's not covered by insurance. So this has been defined

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Speaker 1: as medically necessary such that her breasts were removed and

607
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Speaker 1: the insurance company paid for it. Ben in reading California, Ben,

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Speaker 1: what you got for us?

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Speaker 3: You guys?

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Speaker 6: So I just wanted to call and confirmed that yes,

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Speaker 6: you can be sent home after either breast surgery or

612
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Speaker 6: breast removal that day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that I don't know. I don't know a lot

614
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Speaker 1: about this, Ben did jury. I think it says your

615
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: wife had to have the surgery for breast cancer.

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Speaker 6: Breast cancer, had breast removal, and it was like, you know,

617
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Speaker 6: there was a process to it, of course, but one

618
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Speaker 6: day you end up going in and in forty five

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Speaker 6: minutes hour later you know you're out of surgery. And

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Speaker 6: then a few hours later you're being sent home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well let me let me sorry to cut you off,

622
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Speaker 1: but I okay, that may well be true. It may

623
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Speaker 1: depend on the type of surgery. What I would point

624
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Speaker 1: out is your wife had breast cancer surgery because otherwise

625
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Speaker 1: she might have died of breast cancer.

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Speaker 6: Well, they had to remove it because of the style

627
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Speaker 6: of the kind of breathas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she had a serious medical condition that required

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Speaker 1: her to have surgery to have her breast removed. She

630
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Speaker 1: wasn't nineteen years old and deciding to have her breast

631
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Speaker 1: removed voluntarily, and having seen that surgery, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, yeah, what I'm confirming is they do send you home.

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Speaker 1: But having seen that surgery, Okay, I appreciate that, having

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Speaker 1: seen that surgery. What would you think if you found

635
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Speaker 1: that nineteen year olds were voluntarily having their breast removed?

636
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Speaker 3: Horrible?

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Speaker 6: Because I can also tell you that my daughter's best

638
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Speaker 6: friend had it done. Yeah, and she cannot understand why

639
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 6: her best friend did that. Also, you know that person

640
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 6: moved north from California to Oregon, and I don't know

641
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Speaker 6: if some other things happened up there, because Oregon is

642
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 6: kind of a funky state.

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Speaker 1: Reporting Well, thank you, for the call. I've got to

644
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Speaker 1: hit a break here, but thank you for the call

645
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Speaker 1: about that call. I don't know necessarily how long people

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Speaker 1: stay in surgery, stay in hospitals after surgery. The big

647
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Speaker 1: issue here is the surgery shouldn't exist. It should not

648
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Speaker 1: be done for anybody. Look, if you want to make

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