Speaker 1: My next Guest was a rising hip hop star in
Speaker 1: the late nineties with a distinctive style, signed.
Speaker 2: The Bad Boy Records. His career was cut.
Speaker 1: Short when he was convicted in the nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: high profile shooting at Club New York with Sean Puffy Combs.
Speaker 1: After serving almost nine years in prison, he's back with
Speaker 1: a compelling Hulu documentary called The Honorable Shine, which details
Speaker 1: his compelling journey from prison to politics. Lazier gentlemen, please
Speaker 1: welcome to the Stephen A. Smith Show, Moses Shine Barrow.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Big time? How are you man? How's
Speaker 2: everything now?
Speaker 3: I'm fine.
Speaker 4: I'll try to bring some of that warm weather with
Speaker 4: me from Belize to the Disney studios here in New York.
Speaker 3: But it's not really working out.
Speaker 4: Other than that, manager, remember my days in Brooklyn, where
Speaker 4: I was prepared for this Richard weather.
Speaker 3: But I'm happy to be here with a legend such
Speaker 3: as yourself.
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to say stop line to the
Speaker 1: American public. You know you had no chance in hell
Speaker 1: of bringing that war on whether to New York City.
Speaker 1: Ain't never been here. You know it ain't coming to Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: you know, not the weather in New York, especially this Tommy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that ain't coming right.
Speaker 3: I tried, man, listen, last week, the weather was incredible,
Speaker 3: the weather was like in the sixties.
Speaker 2: I feel you. I feel you.
Speaker 1: Look, man, let me get right into it with you.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm prior to you. Not only are
Speaker 1: you a politician, you look like a politician. Did you
Speaker 1: ever in your wildest dreams believe you'd be sitting here
Speaker 1: today as a politician talking to me and anybody else
Speaker 1: for that matter.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'd like to be specific.
Speaker 4: I'm the opposition leader of the Belice House of Representatives,
Speaker 4: so I'm not just a.
Speaker 3: Politician and elected representatives.
Speaker 4: I'm the opposition leader in the House of Representatives, which
Speaker 4: puts me in line to be the next Prime Minister
Speaker 4: of Belize. And you know, for me, I always knew
Speaker 4: that I was going to make an impact because I
Speaker 4: wanted to make an impact. I wanted to affect lives.
Speaker 4: I wanted to lead people in the right way. Even
Speaker 4: as a young kid on the street or a gun
Speaker 4: in my waist, defending myself and defending my community, everything
Speaker 4: that I was doing was geared towards a collective betterment.
Speaker 4: And if you listen to that first Shine album. The
Speaker 4: very first words that I uttered in the intro is
Speaker 4: their America. I'm only what you made me, young, black
Speaker 4: and crazy, Please save me. So that shows you where
Speaker 4: my mindset was at, speaking in those socio conscious terms,
Speaker 4: pleading to the system to provide an alternative to the
Speaker 4: systematic oppression that I, as a youth and many other
Speaker 4: urban youth were facing at the time, and saying, listen,
Speaker 4: if you would build schools instead of prison, I'll stop
Speaker 4: living the way I'm living. That's what I was saying
Speaker 4: at eighteen years old. So to fast forward to forty
Speaker 4: six year old Shine, who I've been politically active for
Speaker 4: the last ten years. I have an opportunity to be
Speaker 4: the system. And that doesn't always happen. You know, Jay
Speaker 4: z helped Obama become president. You know, Beyonce try to
Speaker 4: help the vice president, you know, to big jump, but it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't always work out. You don't always have.
Speaker 4: Someone who can go from the spectrum of entertainment to
Speaker 4: actually the oval office or the Prime Minister's office. In
Speaker 4: my case, and so in my work in the last
Speaker 4: ten years, it was a smooth transition from singing about
Speaker 4: all that was wrong with the society I was living
Speaker 4: in to being the person that can provide solutions for
Speaker 4: all that is wrong. And I don't think it's a
Speaker 4: stretch to go from, you know, an entertainer to a politician.
Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan did it, and I believe that all the
Speaker 4: musicians I grew up around, you know, we were all
Speaker 4: community oriented people. And you know that's what hip hop does.
Speaker 4: We give back. We get there and we give back.
Speaker 4: So giving back on the legislative level, to me is
Speaker 4: just the evolution of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Is especially no doubt when you think when I think
Speaker 1: about the honor of Bushan, I'm thinking about this documentary
Speaker 1: that is the title of it, and I find myself wondering, I'm.
Speaker 2: Guessing why now one.
Speaker 1: Would easily surmise us because of what's happened to showing
Speaker 1: Diddy Combs. Others would sit up there and look at
Speaker 1: it and say, it is election time, after all, it
Speaker 1: seems the perfect opportunity for him to come out with
Speaker 1: something like this. How do you answer that question? Why
Speaker 1: now with this? With this document I.
Speaker 4: Have been in and daunted with solicitations to do a
Speaker 4: documentary for the last twenty two years. To be factual,
Speaker 4: and walk Wahlberg offered me, I think like a million
Speaker 4: dollar deal back in two thousand and four, and I
Speaker 4: have that proposal.
Speaker 3: I could share it with you. I just was always
Speaker 3: looking for the right partner. I was just looking for the.
Speaker 4: Right partner, and it had to make sense fiscally.
Speaker 3: I'm a shrewd.
Speaker 4: Businessman and I had to be the right partner. And
Speaker 4: being the right partner was not just a financial commitment.
Speaker 4: It was a story that we were going to tell.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to tell the ditty story. I did
Speaker 4: not want to tell oh, because that's not my story.
Speaker 4: My story's next Prime Minister believes. My story is power.
Speaker 4: My story is victor. My story is trying over tragedy.
Speaker 4: That's my story.
Speaker 2: But allow me to interject.
Speaker 1: Allow me to interject, because you emanate from the hip
Speaker 1: hop community.
Speaker 2: It is I use this respect.
Speaker 1: It's a rag to riches story because I like you
Speaker 1: get upset when we're always highlighting, you know, the rags
Speaker 1: to riches or the rags element of the rag the
Speaker 1: richest story because everybody seems like every story is about that,
Speaker 1: about that, But in your case, it's special because as
Speaker 1: you highlight it, you're an opposition party leader.
Speaker 2: You're next in line to be the prime minister, and
Speaker 2: that is a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to all of a sudden, it's you know,
Speaker 1: to go for rags to literally being successful in making money. Well,
Speaker 1: you did that in the nineties, okay, because you were
Speaker 1: making millions in the nineties.
Speaker 2: But to be a politician, to be a.
Speaker 1: Leader, to be in line to be the leader of
Speaker 1: a nation, I mean, that's something entirely different.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3: Yes? And and and that's the story.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I think I should have I should have done
Speaker 4: a bio documentary maybe ten years ago, and this should
Speaker 4: have been another documentary focused on my political life and
Speaker 4: you know, the journey from maybe ten years ago to now.
Speaker 4: But I just didn't do it. And that's why I
Speaker 4: said it was timely. But it was all about finding
Speaker 4: the right partners and people that understood, Like when you
Speaker 4: look at this documentary, it's the first time in my
Speaker 4: life that I've relinquished a creative control in any type
Speaker 4: of entertainment project. And I had to trust the people
Speaker 4: that I was working with, you know, and it just
Speaker 4: doesn't happen like that. And when I found those partners,
Speaker 4: everything else just happens to be coincidence. You know, two
Speaker 4: years ago, we started shooting, We signed a deal, two
Speaker 4: years ago, we started shooting production maybe a year and
Speaker 4: a half ago, and all the other things that you
Speaker 4: see happening. I can't stop the world from happening. But
Speaker 4: you know, my story was bound to be told. And
Speaker 4: it's not like we just looked at what was happening
Speaker 4: and said, oh, come on, let's hurry up and tell
Speaker 4: the Shine story. That the Shine story is overdue. And
Speaker 4: as I said, it was about finding the right partners.
Speaker 4: And with these partners that I have, Marcus Clark and
Speaker 4: the Disney people who Little Landscape, Disney plus if you
Speaker 4: look at the documentary, I had no creative control. But
Speaker 4: the documentary doesn't tell the ditty story. It's not a
Speaker 4: gotcha sensational documentary in those terms of trying to exploit,
Speaker 4: you know, his tragedy. It's talking about what I've been through.
Speaker 4: And obviously you know we're forever linked. But we're forever linked,
Speaker 4: like I can never get away from that. I would
Speaker 4: prefer not to talk about it. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4: When I when I first saw the documentary, one of
Speaker 4: my first objections was why are you focusing so much.
Speaker 3: On the trial? Right?
Speaker 4: You know, we need to focus more on on believes.
Speaker 4: You know, Let's let's focus more on how I made
Speaker 4: the album. Let's focus more on the creativity. Let's get
Speaker 4: more people to talk about what a great musician I was.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, a part of this story is that the pain.
Speaker 4: A part of the story is the sorrow. A part
Speaker 4: of the story is the defeat, is the devastation, and
Speaker 4: we just can't escape that.
Speaker 1: Let me because and when I use this word educate,
Speaker 1: I mean respectfully, because obviously you're educated. Brother, you know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I'm talking about from a media perspective.
Speaker 1: From a media perspective, let me educate you on this level.
Speaker 1: You nobody did Hey's story will be told.
Speaker 2: And no matter what story is going to be.
Speaker 1: Told about did He, there's a popoia things to talk
Speaker 1: about about him for months and years to come. When
Speaker 1: some folks are talking and when folks are talking to
Speaker 1: Shine and they're talking about Shine, they want to know
Speaker 1: about Shine himself from his perspective, what he experienced. So
Speaker 1: tell us what exactly did you experience? People are gonna
Speaker 1: go to the Semmer twenty seven, nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: They're gonna look at things like that.
Speaker 1: They want to know what happened to shine himself in
Speaker 1: your words, what happened to you?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, in my words I said so many
Speaker 4: years ago, back in two thousand one. I believe that I
Speaker 4: was my first double ex cell cover. I had about
Speaker 4: six and cover his death before this honor. It was
Speaker 4: me talking about not snitching on Ditty and not getting
Speaker 4: him in trouble to get myself out of trouble. I
Speaker 4: said that, you know, twenty odd years ago. So I've
Speaker 4: always maintained in every interview I did until recently, when
Speaker 4: I healed and I moved on and I forgave. But
Speaker 4: for years I was saying, you know what a creep
Speaker 4: I thought he was, and how he destroyed my life,
Speaker 4: and one point I thought.
Speaker 3: He was the devil.
Speaker 4: But because of the power of Ditty, which is so
Speaker 4: loud as far as a pop culture icon, nobody listen.
Speaker 4: So I moved on, and I pivoted my life to healing,
Speaker 4: to forgiveness, and to taking accountability for what I can control.
Speaker 4: And I can't control what someone did to me decades ago.
Speaker 4: I can't control them, not wanting to pay reparations, not
Speaker 4: wanting to make right. You know that people say, oh,
Speaker 4: did he gave me millions.
Speaker 3: To go to jail?
Speaker 4: Nothing, probably made to what I thought were offensive contributions
Speaker 4: over the last twenty something years, which led to a
Speaker 4: breakdown in the relations.
Speaker 3: But I moved on. So, yes, was I the sacrificial land?
Speaker 3: Of course? Did I take the fall? Yes, there was
Speaker 3: no quick pro quote.
Speaker 4: There was not Listen, We're going to have ten million
Speaker 4: dollars waiting for you when you come out.
Speaker 3: Just do the right thing.
Speaker 4: I did that on my own, you know, and I've
Speaker 4: been saying that it's not anything new. But in the documentary,
Speaker 4: just like in this interview, I can't say to you,
Speaker 4: steven A, I don't want to talk about did it.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about me becoming the prime minister. Let you know,
Speaker 4: I can't talk about only what I want to talk about.
Speaker 4: I have to be fair and transparent to the audience.
Speaker 4: But I've been saying the same thing, if you do
Speaker 4: your research.
Speaker 3: But he listened. He also mentored me.
Speaker 4: In the year or so we spent working together to
Speaker 4: make one of the greatest hip hop albums ever. You know,
Speaker 4: I learned a lot as far as being an entrepreneur,
Speaker 4: as far as being you know, a disruptor and a
Speaker 4: trail blazer. And so I got exactly what. I went
Speaker 4: to the university a bad boy with Didi as professor
Speaker 4: when it comes to entertainment and even things that I've
Speaker 4: been able to carry with me as far as work ethic,
Speaker 4: as far as you know, manifesting the greatness that you
Speaker 4: want to achieve. You know, there were some positives, but
Speaker 4: obviously going to jail for ten years when that could
Speaker 4: have been avoided, or someone that you know, my mom entrusted,
Speaker 4: you know, her nineteen year old son that they would
Speaker 4: do right by me, you know, to to send me
Speaker 4: to prison when we could have avoided that. You know,
Speaker 4: there's nothing we can ever do to change that. And
Speaker 4: so when I'm telling the story, I can't whitewash that.
Speaker 4: I can't sanitize that that's not necessarily story I want
Speaker 4: to tell us. I hope the next documentary of the
Speaker 4: next movie I do will be about, you know, my
Speaker 4: riose to become prime minister when.
Speaker 1: You heard and I want to move on from this
Speaker 1: because I want to I'm transitioning to who you are.
Speaker 1: I want to be very very clear. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be unfair to you and just focus on this.
Speaker 1: I'm transitioning to who you are and where you stand
Speaker 1: right now. But I'm just trying to paint a picture.
Speaker 2: When you heard.
Speaker 1: Them sentence you to prison for ten years, could you
Speaker 1: take us back to that moment and what kind of
Speaker 1: effect you thought that would have on you at that
Speaker 1: moment in time.
Speaker 4: I was devastated, but I'm such an eternal optimist that
Speaker 4: I just kept thinking, you know, I'm going to get
Speaker 4: a bell. I'm going to get a bell. I'm going
Speaker 4: to get a judge to give me a bill pending appeal,
Speaker 4: which is what Tupac got. When Tupac had his case,
Speaker 4: death Row was able to get him out on bail
Speaker 4: pending his appeal. And so I just kept living every
Speaker 4: day with hope that I'd get a bail pending a
Speaker 4: pill or or I'd have a successful appeal and get out.
Speaker 4: And I never gave up hope. And I was very spiritual,
Speaker 4: you know, I was orthodox to Still I'm still spiritual.
Speaker 4: I don't I'm not as observant as I used to be,
Speaker 4: Still wrapped the feeling and still observe Young Kipoor and
Speaker 4: all the high holidays in Shavati. But I was always optimistic.
Speaker 4: But you know, listen, the first night in prison, I
Speaker 4: got on my knees and I cried, and I said
Speaker 4: to God, you know, listen, I'm not I'm not even
Speaker 4: gonna I'm not even gonna question you, because I didn't
Speaker 4: question you when I when I was driving at Bentley
Speaker 4: last week. I didn't question you when I was driving
Speaker 4: that for Raden. I didn't question you living on the
Speaker 4: fifty first floor of the Trump Towers, which is where
Speaker 4: I was living at the time. This is before Boga
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. I didn't question you when I
Speaker 4: sold a million records, going from a poor kid in
Speaker 4: Belize that didn't even have a toilet system and used
Speaker 4: to have to take the waist bucket to the canal.
Speaker 4: I had never questioned you how you took me from
Speaker 4: that to a millionaire at the age of eighteen, to
Speaker 4: one of the most popular rappers in an American the world.
Speaker 4: I didn't say, well, why me, God, So I'm not
Speaker 4: going to say why me God. Now, all I'm going
Speaker 4: to ask you is to give me the ability to
Speaker 4: endure this the same way that you gave me the
Speaker 4: ability to make it through everything I made it to
Speaker 4: this point and to accomplish the things that I accomplished.
Speaker 4: I felt this was my biggest test to date, and
Speaker 4: the same way God blessed me to be able to
Speaker 4: not just survive, but to thrive through all of the
Speaker 4: adversities up to that point. I knew that God would
Speaker 4: be able to give me the power to get through this,
Speaker 4: and so I did that every day.
Speaker 3: So I was present every day.
Speaker 4: I never closed my eyes and try to get away
Speaker 4: from what I was facing because I knew instinctively. I
Speaker 4: knew that it's just like if you want to win
Speaker 4: a world championship, whether it's baseball, whether it's football, whether
Speaker 4: it's basketball.
Speaker 3: It's grueling.
Speaker 4: The guys that win the chips are the guys that
Speaker 4: don't go to the clubs when they're you know, traveling
Speaker 4: on the road. It's the guys that are in the
Speaker 4: arena practicing, you know. It's the guys that don't sleep
Speaker 4: because they're practicing. It's the guys that go through excruciating
Speaker 4: training to make sure that they're conditioned, you know, for
Speaker 4: the championships. And so for me, I looked at what
Speaker 4: I was going through as me graduating to the next level.
Speaker 3: Whether I was convincing myself and.
Speaker 4: I was being delusional, it worked because I did graduate
Speaker 4: and I am on the net.
Speaker 2: When did you begin studying Judaism? That was in prison? Correct?
Speaker 3: I became.
Speaker 4: Spiritual in a monotheistic way album before I was incarcerated.
Speaker 4: So I always believed in monotheism, and that's why I
Speaker 4: changed my name to Moses, because Moses was always my hero.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Moses was a person that was wealthy, powerful, you know,
Speaker 4: worked with Pharaoh.
Speaker 3: But Moses had a moral crisis and because of the
Speaker 3: moral crisis, has spo was right and wall and how
Speaker 3: to treat human beings. He left all his money, all
Speaker 3: this power, and he went into the wilderness and he
Speaker 3: led the Israelites to freedom. But he did all that
Speaker 3: talking to God. So when I was fifteen years old,
Speaker 3: one of my friends got his brains blown out right
Speaker 3: in front of me. And he was one of the
Speaker 3: toughest guys that was around us. He was the toughest
Speaker 3: guy that I knew. And when I saw that happened
Speaker 3: to him, I became, you know, just awoken by mortality.
Speaker 3: And I said, if that could happen to him, there's
Speaker 3: no way that I'm going to survive these streets of Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: And that's when I started praying, and I started talking
Speaker 3: to God the same way that my grandmother told me
Speaker 3: about this Moses. And you know, that's how I learned
Speaker 3: about God, not through intermediary I'm not judging anyone in
Speaker 3: their religion, because we all there's a different route. You
Speaker 3: can flatter Los Angeles. You can take the train, you
Speaker 3: can drive. Everyone has a different route to where they
Speaker 3: need to arrive as a human being. But Monotheism spoke
Speaker 3: to me. Moses from the Five Books that is in
Speaker 3: the Quran and in the Torah spoke to me. And
Speaker 3: so I started having this conversation with God every day
Speaker 3: because every day was life or death for me in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Literally, well, I'm from Hollis Queens. I'm from High Squeen's
Speaker 1: a bunch of relatives in Brooklyn, a bunch of relatives
Speaker 1: in the Bronx. I know what you're talking about. Listen,
Speaker 1: we're running out of time. I'm so mad. It's only
Speaker 1: gonna be third man because I could have sat down
Speaker 1: with you for two hours with the stuff you talking about,
Speaker 1: because I got a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: That I want to get to.
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you this, Howard, how on
Speaker 1: earth did you become the leader of the opposition party
Speaker 1: in Belize? I know your dad, if remember correctly, correctly
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, according to my research, first black prime
Speaker 1: minister in Belize, I mean, how did you become how'd
Speaker 1: you become the leader of the opposition part?
Speaker 2: How did you climb that high?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Remember, I grew up and I left Believe when I
Speaker 4: was a grow up in Brooklyn with my mom.
Speaker 3: So I love my dad. Him and I, you know,
Speaker 3: I have the best relationship than you've ever had. Obviously,
Speaker 3: we've had our difficulties.
Speaker 4: In the documentary, you see him being honored a person
Speaker 4: that he is and owning up to that. But when
Speaker 4: I got involved in politics, like everything else in my life,
Speaker 4: my dad didn't have anything to do with it. You know,
Speaker 4: he was surprised when he heard from the media.
Speaker 2: So how'd you get in it?
Speaker 3: When I went back to Belize, I was living in
Speaker 3: Paris about in twenty thirteen, and I went to Belize
Speaker 3: to visit for my mom's sixtieth birthday. And you know,
Speaker 3: I would always go back to my community, see how
Speaker 3: people are living go visit. You know, different relatives and people.
Speaker 4: Will be complaining. We don't know where we're going. You
Speaker 4: know things about the change, and we don't know about
Speaker 4: the new leaders that are going to take over. You know,
Speaker 4: why don't you get involved?
Speaker 3: And there was a friend of the family that said, Shine,
Speaker 3: this is your time. You need you. You have this
Speaker 3: global experience, you have your own wealth.
Speaker 4: You're not like these corrupt politicians that are going to
Speaker 4: get involved in politics to get rich and to get famous, because.
Speaker 3: You already had that. You actually mean wealth for the people.
Speaker 3: And these are the type of leaders that we need.
Speaker 3: And I said to myself, you know what am I
Speaker 3: doing in Paris? Belize needs me. I'm going to come
Speaker 3: back home and I'm gonna get involved.
Speaker 4: And I was in twenty thirteen, about eleven years ago,
Speaker 4: and I was working ever since then. I started off
Speaker 4: as the vice chairman of the constituency and I opened
Speaker 4: the resource center and I just.
Speaker 3: Kept working every day.
Speaker 4: Ironically enough, my uncle who held the seat that I had,
Speaker 4: told me that he wasn't going to support me because
Speaker 4: he already made a promise to one of his friends
Speaker 4: and that you know, he's going to beat me in
Speaker 4: the convention, and so I better find something else to do,
Speaker 4: because I'm never going to become the airing representative as
Speaker 4: long as he's there, because he already made promise to
Speaker 4: someone else. I fought the same way I did in
Speaker 4: Brooklyn to become Shine the rapper, dodging bullets, chasing down
Speaker 4: street teams, jumping over the desk at death jams, so
Speaker 4: that the A and L would hear me.
Speaker 3: I thought to get here, and so I first won
Speaker 3: my seat in ause representatives. Then I won a convention,
Speaker 3: a national convention, a party convention to become the party leader.
Speaker 3: And that's how you become, you know, the opposition leader
Speaker 3: and now representatives. And I'll fight to win sixteen seats
Speaker 3: to become the next prime minister in the next elections.
Speaker 1: And you so, in other words, you're on the verge
Speaker 1: of being the next prime minister of Belieze.
Speaker 3: And it's not easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear you're here.
Speaker 4: I'm going to I'm a step away from it. And
Speaker 4: I believe the economy inflation similar to what happened here
Speaker 4: in the United States. Uh, you know that's what people
Speaker 4: are looking at. You know, people's lives are not better
Speaker 4: in Belize over the last four years of this new administration.
Speaker 4: So we're going to continue to take that message to
Speaker 4: all belizings, and we're going to continue to work to
Speaker 4: formulate policies that have solve their problems.
Speaker 1: And how long again, that election would be win two years,
Speaker 1: three years, what what?
Speaker 2: What time?
Speaker 4: That election could be as early as as as ninety days.
Speaker 4: I've been I've been in the House of Representatives for
Speaker 4: the last four years, and so elections could be anywhere
Speaker 4: from ninety to the next maybe one hundred and eighty days.
Speaker 3: We suspect ninety days.
Speaker 1: And obviously people are going to be watching the honorable Johan,
Speaker 1: We're going to be watching this documentary when they ask you,
Speaker 1: because inevitably, at least in the United States of America,
Speaker 1: they're going to ask you, did you hear anything about
Speaker 1: p Diddy? Did you hear what happened? How do you
Speaker 1: feel about what happened? What are you going to say
Speaker 1: about him? If anything?
Speaker 3: All this, I pray. I pray for the victims.
Speaker 4: I pray for people like Cassie who has been proven
Speaker 4: that she's a victim, and everyone else, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: the credibility of everyone else. I pray for the victims,
Speaker 4: and I pray for Diddy. I pray that he's able
Speaker 4: to do some soul searching. And even if he's not
Speaker 4: guilty of the accusations, there's a reason he is where
Speaker 4: he is right now, and it's up to him to
Speaker 4: communicate with God and to try to cleanse his soul
Speaker 4: and pivot and move forward and redeem himself.
Speaker 3: And I pray that he's able to go through that
Speaker 3: journey and that he has success.
Speaker 4: Because the same way I was rehabilitated and I reform myself,
Speaker 4: I'm not here to condemn anyone in perpetuity.
Speaker 3: I hope that that justice has served.
Speaker 4: If he's not guilty, the judicial system will decide that.
Speaker 4: If he is, I hope that he is contrite and
Speaker 4: he turns his life around. And I hope that the
Speaker 4: victims can get closure.
Speaker 1: Direct question, when you've made it very very clear, and
Speaker 1: the people who love you have made it very very clear,
Speaker 1: you got a bad rap, you took the rap you
Speaker 1: suffered because of it unfairly? Is that aroundabout way or
Speaker 1: not an indirect way of saying it wasn't you, it
Speaker 1: was Diddy who did that shooting.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4: Nine, I was defending myself, So I would never say that.
Speaker 3: Did not fire in self defense. But the question is
Speaker 3: who else fired? The reality is the fact is there
Speaker 3: were showcases found from two other guns in addition to mine,
Speaker 3: showcases that did not obviously match mine. The forensics never
Speaker 3: took the the ballistics out of the victims, so we
Speaker 3: don't know who shot the victims and according to one victim,
Speaker 3: and those are just the facts. I maintained that I
Speaker 3: was acting in self defense and I continue to say that,
Speaker 3: so I'm innocent in the sense of I did not
Speaker 3: intentionally try to hurt anyone. I was defending myself. But
Speaker 3: what complicates it is that two other people or two
Speaker 3: other guns were fired, and the victim says did he
Speaker 3: shot her? So that's the reality.
Speaker 2: So listen, I got news for you. I gotta let
Speaker 2: you go. I thank you for your time with this interview.
Speaker 2: My man.
Speaker 1: At some point in time, I'm not gonna put it
Speaker 1: past me to come to belize, uh.
Speaker 3: You have an open invitation.
Speaker 2: I'm about to roll out there.
Speaker 3: Tell you, I'm excited about that possibility. Even even though
Speaker 3: I'm not in government. I try to work with the
Speaker 3: Minister of Tourism to promote belize and bipartisan ways, some
Speaker 3: sort of tourism ministry with We're got happy to welcome you,
Speaker 3: and we can hopefully time it around my memoir because
Speaker 3: I'm coming out with a book. I gotta I gotta.
Speaker 2: Write this and consider it done.
Speaker 4: Unlike the documentary that I relinquished creative control, the book
Speaker 4: is going to be all me.
Speaker 3: So maybe you could time it around the memoir.
Speaker 4: But maybe you could come before, check it out, and
Speaker 4: then come back again for the memoir.
Speaker 3: I want you down and I want you to. I
Speaker 3: want you to build a house.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 3: I want you to take some of that money from
Speaker 3: that from that new contract you're getting and coming investing.
Speaker 1: Plee, no problem, man, I'm looking forward to I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come down, but I want more than thirty minutes. I
Speaker 1: want more than thirty minutes. All right, we got to
Speaker 1: hang out, all right, man, all the best. I'm so proud.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you, so proud of all that
Speaker 1: you've been doing. All the best to you. May keep
Speaker 1: making big things happen, all right.
Speaker 3: Thank you. God bless you, and God bless your viewership.
Speaker 3: God bless Please, God bless America.
Speaker 1: God bless you no doubt my thanks to the one
Speaker 1: and only Moses shan Borrow, the Honorable Sean Premier is
Speaker 1: November eighteenth on Hulu.
Speaker 2: Do not miss it. Make sure you check it out.
Speaker 2: Trust me, it will be worth it.