1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Guys, I'm feeling a little sentimental right now. I can't 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: believe I'm about to say this. You are listening to 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: episode fifty of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to everyone 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: from top CEOs to entrepreneurs and athletes about how they 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: got through tough times hurdles of sorts. 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: By leaning into wellness. 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: I have learned so much throughout the last fifty episodes 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: talking to so many different people I admire, from Amy Purdy, 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: snowboarder and Paralympic. 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Medalists, to Liz Flosser, the otter in chief of Woman's Health. 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Joey Gonzalez, the CEO of Barye's Bootcamp, and Andy Pudcombe, 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: the co founder of Headspace. 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We talk about the 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: crazy way he was able to come back from that 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: injury in four weeks, seriously to play his final game, 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: even when doctors told him that there was absolutely no chance. 35 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: Joe's a really special guy. He's been a friend of 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: mine for some time now, and he's got some really 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: interesting perspectives on everything from the foods that we're putting 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: into our bodies to the power of mindfulness. 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: Trust me, this one's a goodie. 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It's Emily at Hurdle dot us. I don't 57 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: know about you, guys, but it's been a gorgeous weekend 58 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: here in New York. 59 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: It's gonna be another nice day to day. 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm in a good moon and I think it's time 61 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: to kick off this week, right, So with that, let's 62 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: get to hurdling. 63 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: Today. 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with Joe Holder of the Ocho System. 65 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: He's a Nike Master trainer. He's been featured in the 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: New York Times and worked with clients like Naomi Campbell. 67 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: He's a performance consultant for Whoop. He's a creative director 68 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: of Wellness at SmartWater. He's co founded System of Service, 69 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: which is a community that helps provide people with opportunities 70 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: to give. 71 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: Back with friends. 72 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 3: Facts. 73 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: Joe, you do everything. 74 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: He just gave me anxiety reading all that. Remember other 75 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: things I have to do? 76 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: Is there anything you don't do? 77 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: Joe, I'm not very good at getting vulnerable. I guess 78 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: here we are on the podcast How to Be Vulnerable. 79 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: Perfect, That's what I'm hoping for. I have to be 80 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: honest with you. You're not the first holder I saw today. 81 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: Do you see my brother? 82 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: Nope? 83 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: He saw my cousin Nope. 84 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: I did see your sister morning, I did. 85 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: You're one of seven, one of seven. 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one of seven, four boys, three girls, youngest boy, baby, 87 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: sister you saw earlier today. You actually just recently had 88 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: a baby as well. Full circle. But yeah, crazy, big 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: family and now I'm living in a big city. 90 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you are here, we are here, we are. 91 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: I have to be also honest with the hurdlers that 92 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: this POD's probably like a year in the making, right, 93 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: now the hurdlers. 94 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: Yes, I've had a I have been hard to get, 95 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: which I apologize for. But I'm very relatively particular about podcasts. 96 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: I have certain feelings about them. Plus I don't really 97 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: like to hear myself speak. But you know, I'm your 98 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 3: great friend and I've always appreciated your support from day one. 99 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: So here we are talking to the streets and the hurdlers. 100 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: Well, the question has to arise, with all this stuff 101 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: going on, how do you prioritize? 102 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: I mean, early on I realized that the two most 103 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: important words that you ever learner yes and no, and 104 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: you have to know basically how to use them. So 105 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: I'm kind of a little bit more in a no 106 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: stage right now. So I've said there's certain just rules 107 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: that I buy by, are certain kind of like systems. 108 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: So I'm a big fan of that concept of Parkinson's law, 109 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: which is like work expands to provide with the amount 110 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: of time you provide to it. So I set artificial 111 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: barriers of constraints for a lot of the things that 112 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: I need to do. I don't work weekends. I make 113 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: that for other projects and family time. So in a sense, 114 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 3: I don't train weekends. I only train two mornings and 115 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: two in terms of mornings, two mornings and two nights 116 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: a week, and then I condense most of my training 117 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: to during the day, so I leave my morning and 118 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: my nights for other projects, for other thought processes of 119 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 3: the work that I need to get done. And then 120 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: I realized that pass a certain point once you spread 121 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: yourself too thin, if you try to be you know everything, 122 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: then you can you're really just nothing. So it's just 123 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: really understanding the best ways to prioritize my time in 124 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: a sense, because it's not that you don't have enough times, 125 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: that you have too much of it in my opinion, 126 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: So it's condensing and be able to get stuff done 127 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: and still be able to keep it moving. So it's 128 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 3: not that I'm creating more time. I'm just dating barriers 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: constraints to be able to get stuff done. And that's 130 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: how you could really be kind of everywhere but also 131 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: nowhere at the same time. 132 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: That's how you create opportunity. 133 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have to you have to show up. 134 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 3: With the amount of time that you have to have 135 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: to show up and get things done, it's a lot 136 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: less than people realize. So this year, you know, I 137 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: took the first vacation of my life this year. I 138 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: was going through some personal stuff at the end of 139 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: the year and some trages in my personal life, and 140 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, like I have to 141 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: get away. So for the first time I took a break. 142 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 3: I went to LA and then I was going to 143 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: go to Australia. One of my you know friends, Christy 144 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: best friends Kirsty goatso you've had on the cast. But 145 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: while I was in LA, this was right before Christmas, 146 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: I went to Astro World, probably partied a little too 147 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: hard two nights in a row and I disappeared for 148 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: five days. I put my phone down. Friends gonna get 149 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: in contact with me. I was just journaling, coming to 150 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 3: terms of my own thoughts, and probably the most important 151 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: realization that I had during this time period it was 152 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: there was a few things that happened. I realized I 153 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: needed to be better through consistency rather than persistence. I 154 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 3: had got to this point, you know, in my twenty 155 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: eight years of life just turned twenty nine, but at 156 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: that's step point, I was still twenty eight, twenty eight 157 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: years of life where I realized I relied a lot 158 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: on talent and persistence to be able to get stuff done. 159 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: I was able to gut it through. I was able 160 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: to be successful. I just had a little bit for 161 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: my skill set. I was just able to get more 162 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: done than I would think the natural person could. But 163 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: for longevity, I really have to be consistency through and 164 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: for my momental state, consistency through quality habits and systematic 165 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: thought processes and implementation than anything else. So that was 166 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: a big realization that I had. And also on Christmas 167 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: I spent This was the time I spent. I spent 168 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: Christmas totally alone. People thought I was nuts for it. 169 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: I didn't want to see anybody. I just needed time 170 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: with myself. And then on Chris what I realized is 171 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: that like I woke up Christmas feelings super anxious relatively, 172 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm by myself, What am I doing. 173 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: I tried to go to arijuana was closed and I 174 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: sat in a coffee shop. And typically what happens to 175 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: me when I am in a poor emotional state, I 176 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: get cravings for poor food. There's like a lot of 177 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: research connected to this, but I get cravings for poor food. 178 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: And I sat there. I almost went to get I 179 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: don't even know I was gonna get, probably like a 180 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: freeze from like juice whatever, juice press or press, juicery 181 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: or whatever, and then I go and then like then 182 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: something hit me. I don't know what it was, whatever, 183 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: maybe the universe speaking to me. Something hit me, and 184 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: it was like you know what, like you're okay, you'll 185 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: be fine. And then I was like shit, I guess. 186 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: So I went to Australia, had some downtime, and then 187 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: kind of kept it moving. But I just tried to remember, 188 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: this's kind of all these journaling thoughts that I've had. 189 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: I've been able to travel a lot of places and 190 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: they each teach me something different, and now this year 191 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: it's just like about strategic laziness. You know, that's the. 192 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Motto, strategic laziness. Yes, ultimate productivity through laziness. 193 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's you know, essentially, it's not even just 194 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: about like this cult of productivity, because at the end 195 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: of the day, like whatever, you know, I'm an existentialist, 196 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: some sertist. They're all gonna die eventually. It's not just 197 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: about like being a productive and a cog for the 198 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: sake of waking up every day and going to fuel 199 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 3: somebody else's dream. It's more so having this awakening experience 200 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: that allows me to exist outside of this structure that's 201 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: been artificially created that we've just been born into. So 202 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: I have this concept of consent that none of us 203 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: consented to living, we just were born. And then one 204 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: day during our maturation process, we realized that this is 205 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: what we had. Some of us still haven't, but we 206 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: realized this is what we had. And then you have 207 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: another realization that what that also is, Well, this is 208 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: probably created oftentimes due to decisions people are making now, 209 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: but also decisions people making ten twenty thirty forty fifty hundred, 210 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: two hundred, three hundred years ago. And then it becomes 211 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: a situation of can I create my own personal culture 212 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: that allows me to exist outside of this structure that 213 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: people that I have taken for granted that just have 214 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: these norms. So for me, I knew I never wanted 215 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: to work for anybody in coen temporary sense. I don't 216 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: even like work, to be honest. I think a lot 217 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: of the stuff that we have to do is just 218 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: it is full of frivilty. Then it becomes can I 219 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: create a situation where I'm trying to strive towards a 220 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: deeper meaning? I suppose hopefully provide some inspiration for other people, 221 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: but just make the world a little bit of a 222 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: better place and just make it, you know, you know, 223 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 3: hopefully bring some beam of light to the people that 224 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 3: I work with. 225 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 2: A little bit, a little bit a little light. All right. 226 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: Well, when you were so you went to UPenn, yep. 227 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: And when you were in college, did you feel the 228 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: same way. Did you think that you were going to 229 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: graduate and not really work for anybody else or what 230 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: did you What were you going to after that? 231 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: Well? I knew that because I mean college was tough 232 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: for me. I was like had a chip on my shoulder. 233 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: I walked onto the football team, became a three year starter. 234 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: I dealt with some injuries. You know. I was in 235 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: a hard place relatively with my dad, who's like one 236 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: of my heroes and was my first coach. But everything 237 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: kind of brought us back together because I was just 238 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: trying to fix my body. So that's kind of when 239 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: the Yocho system stuff came to play. Just basically, I 240 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: had know if anybody kind of knows me, it's probably 241 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: heard a story a million times, but I hurt my ankle. 242 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: It wasn't healing. Doctors couldn't really figure out why they 243 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: weren't sure it was nerve stuff or whatever. And then 244 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: I sat back with my dad and then I realized, 245 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: you know, there was a stress fracture component, but the 246 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: emotional component was also what was triggering my chronic pain. 247 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 3: I was a sophomore, so her my echo during springball 248 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: and then which is basically like off season practice. And 249 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: then it took me. Like I thought I would be okay, 250 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: I try to come back too early. It took like 251 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: a year. Then I still wasn't all right. I was 252 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: having this lingering pain. Some people thought I was faking injury, 253 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: but I'm like working my ass off to figure it out. 254 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: I had to take a red shirt year, and that's 255 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: when the Ultra system was born. It's basically me and 256 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: my dad sitting down. He's like, you have to figure 257 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: this out. And I knew I had to figure it 258 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 3: out because mentally I was a mess, dealing with football, 259 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: dealing with you know, an IVY league institution, all that. 260 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: I was just totally off. So we tried to revamp it, 261 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: and it's an ever expanding process, and eventually we did. 262 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: I did come back, and then I broke my leg. 263 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: My senior, my last year, so I had a fifth 264 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 3: year and then I realized when that happened my fourth game, 265 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 3: I was total, I'll be out for the year. But 266 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: I took it. I gave myself twenty four hours and 267 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: I said, you know what, like, don't go back to 268 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: that dark emotional place you previously are a proactively attacked 269 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: this and see what you could do. So I called 270 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: my shot and I said I would come back to 271 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: play that year. So I mixed a few things. I 272 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 3: mixed you know, the standard rehab practices, medications, things of 273 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 3: that nature, but focused on meditation, focus on my mental health, 274 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,119 Speaker 3: focused on nutritional strategies, and focused on really being proactive. 275 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: And then I came back and I was able to 276 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: play you know that that year, and we won the 277 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: you know, the IV League Championship that year as well, 278 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: and that's when I realized I was kind of onto something. 279 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 3: But in college, you know, I picked up a minor 280 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: in consumer psychology. It was like psychology and marketing. I 281 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: had this course positive psychology that kind of changed my life. 282 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: And I know any if anybody's kind of in this arena, 283 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: they probably heard the concept of positive psychology, but it's 284 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: not about being positive it's really more about studying the 285 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: high achieving aspects of individuals and also more of sort 286 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: of resiliency. So it's basically, to an extent, treating high 287 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: achievers like a disorder, which really is because they're an anomaly. 288 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: They're basically understanding the ways in which they operate and 289 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: also the further psychological aspects into just basically human living. 290 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: That inspired me a lot, just because at the time 291 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: I was at and then I realized like I was 292 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: gonna have to graduate eventually work, but I didn't want to. 293 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: I like didn't want to work. Like, you know, in college, 294 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: I had my fair share of internships. I worked for 295 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 3: like nutritional Development Services in Philadelphia. I worked, you know, 296 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: I was folding gym folding towels at the local gym, 297 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: which hit me the other day about how it's really 298 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 3: come full circle. But I guess that's the story for 299 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: another day. But I guess the long winded answered was, 300 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: like I knew I never wanted to work. I wasn't 301 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: I originally wanted to be a doctor. I wasn't gonna happen, 302 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: so I well couldn't be a pro athlete now, So 303 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: I was like, there has to be something else that 304 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: I could do, and I just, I guess tried to 305 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: figure that out. 306 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: When you started for Bond. 307 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: Did you think that you wanted to be a professional 308 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,239 Speaker 1: athlete started footballing? 309 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean the thing what I did 310 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: and I didn't, which is honestly the issue was that 311 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 3: I never I had the talent, but I never had 312 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: really coaches except for a few tell me throughout my 313 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: upbringing that I was good enough. They always told me 314 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: how much better I could be because they saw the 315 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: talent in me. But I think they confused my relative 316 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: sensitivity with like hard headedness in hubris, when it really 317 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: was probably just if you just dug a little deeper. 318 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: It was a shield of a kid that just like 319 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: always felt he was inadequate because he didn't know that 320 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: he had skills. So instead of it really being like 321 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: cultivated through concerted effort, it was really just like I 322 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: always had bombastic and very different and very hard on 323 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: me coaches and figures in my life, which messed me up. 324 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: So there's a part of me that thought I could 325 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: do it. But there's also another part of me that 326 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: was like, you know, there's no chance that this could happen, 327 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: which probably to an extent, you know, hindered my development. 328 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 3: But you know, I think anybody that plays football at 329 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: a decent level whatever D one D one double A like, 330 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: thinks they still have a chance to go to the league. 331 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: You glazed over a little bit just this concept of 332 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: the ultra system, and I kind of want to dive 333 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: into that. So why don't you talk to me a 334 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: little bit about what that really means. 335 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the ultra system just grew basically into this 336 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 3: concept of like a few things. One, it is promoting 337 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: productivity through physical enhancement. So I think it's not productivity 338 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: and just to be able to like, you know again 339 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: just go out and do whatever, but like personal productivity 340 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: through taking through taking ownership of your physical space in 341 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: which you live, because you're mind and your body the 342 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: only two places that you have to live. So it 343 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: stems off the concept of it's basically a playoff infinity. 344 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: So it's also creating this infinite feedback loop of gratitude, 345 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: so like one could help others and others can help. 346 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: One, right because the logo, yeah, logo. 347 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: But also infinity sign ye. So but yeah, but the logo, 348 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: if you do look at it, it's a deconstructed infinity 349 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: sign which basically is a sense of promotes autonomy because 350 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: it doesn't abruptly end, it just keeps going. It just 351 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: trails off. So my thing is is, like, can I 352 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: provide you autonomy through improving your overall wellness habits that 353 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: should make you a that should make you an improved 354 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: member of your community, that then allows you to give 355 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: service back to others to create this infinite feedback loop 356 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: that hopefully then makes the world a whole better place. 357 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: So that's what the Ultra system kind of it's kind 358 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: of all about. But of course it starts in a 359 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: physical you know, that's the easiest way I think to 360 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: meet people with their habits, especially preventative kind of wellness strategies, 361 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: and hopefully it grows from there. But I never thought 362 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: the Ultra system would be what it is, and I'm lucky, 363 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: and you know, hopefully it continues to grow. And there's 364 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: you know, the whole formalization of what these thought processes are. 365 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, starting in college is started with my personal 366 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: journey and the Ultra system was really just me, which 367 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: I've realized everybody's trying to do is just trying to 368 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: come to terms with the realization of that this life 369 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: is the only one that we have at this moment. Man. 370 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: For me, I think is that you cannot lead a 371 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: fully developed life until you can fully develop for what 372 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: it's worth, at least for its you know, minimal viable 373 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: product is your health, and that starts into physical but 374 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: it expands way beyond that. 375 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: Too, for sure. 376 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: And you also mentioned as a part of this really 377 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: eating smarter, taking care of your body in a certain way, 378 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: also paying attention to the mindfulness aspect. Just i'd love 379 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: some sort of highlight talking about at least the eating. 380 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a lot of things. And you 381 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: actually posted about this the other day on your Instagram. 382 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: You were talking about how fitness is only a small 383 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: part obviously of the equation, and that it's so much 384 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: bigger than that. 385 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, eating of course is huge shout out 386 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 3: to the plant based game, but basically for me, as 387 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: weird as it sounds, I think it does have valuable 388 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: utility and it's like a very major catalyst. But I 389 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: think fitness is the least important part of your overall 390 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: wellness regiment, but people put the most emphasis on that. 391 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: But then you still realize that it's not fully solving 392 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 3: the problem. Like the nation is still unwell, people are 393 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: still mentally off, people are still trying to figure out 394 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 3: why they feel the way that they feel, why their 395 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: body isn't fully connecting. But also you know the way 396 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: people's relationship with food is often off. For me, I 397 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: look at it as like food and emotions or one 398 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: of our first data points that our body has. So 399 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 3: you're bringing in this food and it's not really about 400 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 3: thinking it in a nutritionism type sense, which is basically 401 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 3: a thought process that food is only good as its 402 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 3: constituents from the nutrients that we've been able to research 403 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: and recognize. When there's a whole bunch of aspects of food, 404 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 3: we don't totally get about how it interplays and connects. 405 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: So more holism approach that I understanding the sum is 406 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: greater than its parts, and then it becomes that situation 407 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: if what I'm consuming it's a data feedback loop that 408 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: and that my body is responding to that lets me 409 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 3: know that it works for me. That's typically from minimally 410 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: processed foods, typically lower processed foods, and that's real food, 411 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 3: so not necessarily you know, low added sugars and things 412 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: of that nature, making sure to hydrate all that, but 413 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 3: it really becomes also people don't listen to their bodies. 414 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: So a healthy food, there's no such thing as a 415 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: healthy food. And now we're talking about food substances, like, 416 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: let's keep that in mind. We're not talking about McDonald's 417 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 3: all that stuff, but we're talking about food. So we 418 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 3: take out the junk food and we look at food 419 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: as an aggregate. A lot of people try to say, oh, 420 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: this is healthy. No such thing as a healthy food. 421 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: How food should be recognized is that there are foods 422 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: that typically we should have higher utility based on their nutrition. 423 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: But health and healthy is an end product of the 424 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: organism that is ingesting it. So you can eat a 425 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: quote unquote healthy food that actually isn't healthy for you 426 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: due to the way your body responds to it. So 427 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: it becomes a situation where it actually doesn't make sense 428 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 3: for you. Right, So instead of like trying to categorize 429 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: food and these very strict dogma like life exists in 430 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: the gray. So it's feeling this intertwined in this mix 431 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 3: and match of what works best for me. It's plant 432 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 3: based gang. I don't eat meat. I try to stay 433 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 3: away from animal foods. I just typically try to feel better. 434 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: My issue really is that, like I just don't eat enough. 435 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: So I want to make sure that you know, my 436 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: digestion and things of that nature are totally on point, 437 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 3: and I just feel good for longer. But I just 438 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: think if more people ate slightly less animal products but 439 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: more mainly, just it's inclusion rather than the exclusion. So 440 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: can I get more fruits and vegetables in my diet? 441 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: Can I make sure I'm drinking more water? Can I 442 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: make sure that I'm in tune with how I'm actually feeling? 443 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: How is this fueling my workouts? Am I actually eating enough? 444 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: Can I think outside the box of simply just calories? 445 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 3: So that's kind of my wave when it comes to 446 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: when it comes to the quote unquote diet. 447 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were at the time in tune obviously with 448 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: how you were feeling these days? Do you I know 449 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: you do a lot of self reflection, but how do 450 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: you do that? Do you write things down? Do you journal? 451 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: Do you? 452 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: Yeah? 453 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: I mean my thing is like I'm always thinking, so 454 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 3: I leave I live life like a subconscious meditation basically 455 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 3: is like as soon as I do something, I want 456 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: to know how it connects to something else that I've 457 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: previously done and I'm thinking about. Typically, I could be 458 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: I'm very good at being multiple places at once while 459 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: still being completely immersed in a place that I'm at 460 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 3: that I don't I don't really know. I think it 461 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: comes from sport. I think it's something because that's really 462 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: what happens when you have sport. 463 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: Be give me an example. 464 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: So basically, as a rob receiver, okay, I had you 465 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 3: had to be even before you had to be multiple 466 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: places at the same time. So to an extent, like 467 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: I'm lining up the QBS calling the cadence, I have 468 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 3: to then be able to make a read based upon 469 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: what might happen with that defense, So understanding where I'm 470 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: going to be in the future, but still being tuned 471 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 3: into where I am now, understanding what that defender has 472 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: previously done, and then having to live in that moment 473 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 3: on the fly quote unquote, trying to get in and 474 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: that flow state to then make things happen. That it 475 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: is contingent upon various probabilities in which you exist, So 476 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: the same thing happens on the day to day. So 477 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: say I'm in a training session, if I get feedback 478 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 3: from that athlete looking at what I previously know, what 479 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: I see now, what I know I want them to 480 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: do in the future, understand how to can make connect 481 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: to something totally different, but still being able to be 482 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: in that moment where I'm giving them totally it is 483 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: totally it is what I need or what they need. 484 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: So well, then when it comes to reflection though, it's 485 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: then basically what I've realized now is taking that transition 486 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: is like a little bit of like a Franz Bosh thing, 487 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: but taking that transition from then working memory to hardwiring it. 488 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 3: So then it's like when do you download that to 489 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: make that full connection? Right? So then typically long story short, 490 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, what I try to 491 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: do is that I sit down and I'll put in 492 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 3: my phone so I could go look back at it later. 493 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 3: I look at things I've done, whatever clients that I've 494 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: dealt with, what happened during those sessions, what it is 495 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: that we need to do next, things I've read, inspiration 496 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: and thoughts that I've had that day, what it is 497 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 3: that I need to do tomorrow, and like important things 498 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: that I still need to be able to do. But 499 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: how am I feeling did it and what it is 500 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: that I kind of want to do. So I lay 501 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: all that out and sometimes it gets very overwhelming because 502 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, Joe, like you're gonna fucking go in 503 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: same this is a book stuff, But it's like you 504 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 3: have to then download to then also re upload. So 505 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: I have this thought process of like the greatest technology 506 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: in my opinion is humans and human brain. Like it's 507 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: the one thing we haven't been able to unlock. We've 508 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: been able to unlock so much, but that's but we 509 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 3: haven't been able to really understand the human human condition. 510 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 3: So then the thing is, it's like how do you 511 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: continuously upgrade your human algorithm? And for me, it's finding 512 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 3: those distinct things that result in constant reflection that allow 513 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 3: you to exist above kind of the stimuli that's present 514 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: in this world and not get lost in it, but 515 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: able to take that data in and then be able 516 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: to re upload it in a different way that allows 517 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 3: you basically to be an expert general. 518 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: I think, how many clients are you training a week? 519 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a tough question because it like 520 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 3: goes and waves. Yeah, so like I'll be here for 521 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: two weeks and I'll be gone for like two weeks. 522 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 3: But the amount of sessions that I say I typically 523 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: have in a week. Now I've cut back a lot. 524 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 3: Seven days in the week. It's probably twenty to twenty 525 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 3: five sessions a week. Wow, it used to be like 526 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: forty plus. 527 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: Whoa damn Like, no, no, no. 528 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: I'm good with that. 529 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: Off. 530 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: Taking a break from today's podcast to give my sponsor, 531 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: Athletic Greens some love. 532 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: You know. 533 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: Just last week I was in the Bahamas chatting with 534 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of different CrossFit athletes at the Rebounk CrossFit 535 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: Athletes Summit, and the biggest takeaway I took from my 536 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: time with them, aside from the fact that they are 537 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: obscenely strong and slightly superhuman, is that nutrition is so 538 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: important Now. 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Obviously, you 552 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: weren't always training twenty to forty clients a week, So 553 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about that transition out 554 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: of college, out of you Penn and how you started 555 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: even you know, walking around these city streets to be 556 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: in with. 557 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: Basically, this is why I always tell everybody every I 558 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: sometimes get hit up for like inspiration or whatever, which 559 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 3: always throws me off because I'm like, yo, like some 560 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: of y'all really taking my advice. But anyway, I always 561 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: say the first thing is that you have to show up. 562 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 3: People don't like to show up for stuff. So what 563 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: happened was in college there was an alumni flag football 564 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 3: game and one of my coaches at the time and 565 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 3: coaches at Columbia now coach Favish. Great dude, he needs 566 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: to be a head coach somewhere. So if you do 567 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: listen to this fab, go get a head coaching job. Man. 568 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: But what happened was he told me to show up 569 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: for this game. He's like, there's somebody that I want 570 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: you to meet college. It was on a Saturday, early 571 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: Saturday morning. I was probably hungover from the night before. 572 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 3: I was like, I was hungover actually, and I was like, 573 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: all right, you know what, I'll show up. So I 574 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: pull up and there's this guy, Nick Morris, who hedge 575 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 3: Funk Guy, but also at the time owned and founded 576 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: this company called health Warrior that sold chia bars and 577 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: chia seed. This one chia was super big. He actually 578 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: just got bought by PepsiCo randomly. But but it became 579 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: a situation where I met him there. And this is 580 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 3: when I was blogged. I still blogged at this time, 581 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: like on like blog spot, like blogger. So I was like, oh, 582 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 3: like asking for some bars to review? 583 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: Did you ever have a live journal? 584 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 3: I don't even know what that is. 585 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: Oh, Joe letting me down with like the nineties references keep. 586 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: Going, and I'm unlike, I just wanted some chia bars 587 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 3: basically to like review for my blog. But we were 588 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: talking and he, I guess he just really liked the 589 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: way that I thought. He's like, yo, you should work. 590 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: You should come work for me, like you should work 591 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: for the company. A couple of weeks later, I had 592 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: an interview, if you want to call it. It was 593 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: just my buddy, you know, Casey, still friends with him, 594 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: you know, and he hired me. So I was probably 595 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: employee number four or five at the company at the time, 596 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: working out of it. We were scrounging the city streets, 597 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 3: having a you know, cut up chia bars and whole 598 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 3: foods and these small stores, shelving the bars, doing all 599 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: this stuff just to keep the company afloat. But I 600 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: was I was still kind of an auxiliary to the 601 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: you know, fitness world. So I was seeing all this 602 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: stuff that was going on, and you know, I was 603 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: still doing basically the training just on the side, just 604 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: like with my friends or experiment while working full time 605 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: for Health for It. Eventually became community manager and then 606 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: at the time we established because I realized, like, my 607 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: thing is always about implementation of product before people need it. 608 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: So I would show up to whatever run clubs, et cetera. 609 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: You know, this was like street influencer marketing before influencer 610 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: marketing ever became a thing. Established a good relationship with 611 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: Lulu Lemon. They let me lead one of their run clubs. 612 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: Then I had somebody from at the time under Armour 613 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: then reach out to do stuff with them, So then 614 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: I had the relationship with I was still training at 615 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 3: this place because Hannah Brothman introduced me to the owner 616 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: of this place, S ten. I started to train their 617 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: part time. Then what happened was was like I'm still 618 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: working for Healthware full time. Then what happened was was 619 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: that employees from Nike came and scouted a class that 620 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: I was teaching at s tend the small semi private classes, 621 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: this class called Runstrom you know. And this was before 622 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: again where people were like integrating like strength training with running, 623 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: like this was kind of like a new concept at 624 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: the time. And I actually wasn't supposed to be teaching 625 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: this class. I the instructor texted me the night before 626 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: and said can you cover this class? And I was like, 627 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 3: oh man, it was our early class, seven am class 628 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: on Thursday morning. I don't think warnings. And I was 629 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: like sure, I'll cover it. So again I came. I 630 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 3: covered it. Then the Nike hit me up after and 631 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: was like, Yo, we're about to start this new training network. 632 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: Would you like to be involved? And I'm like, hell, yeah, 633 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: I like to be involved. Whatever, But again it starts 634 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: with this, just show up. So I covered the class. 635 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: Now this is where the story gets crazy is that 636 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: I didn't hear from them for months. I'm at we 637 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 3: work because that's where I wise. I get an email 638 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: that says, Joe, Oh, he didn't see your name on 639 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: the list. Can you please come in today for basically 640 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: interviews and auditions that were hopes that were having for 641 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: our trainers. I'm like, ah, man, this is crazy. I 642 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: hit them back. I'm like, no, I have to go 643 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: to Boston because I was randomly invited by like this 644 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: Harvard Law School group to go and talk to them. 645 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: It's just nuts. So I was gonna go up there. 646 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: I was like, I have a train to catch and 647 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: they were it was like twenty three at the time, 648 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: and they were like they first said yes, and they 649 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: were like, no, we need you actually come in today. 650 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: So I hustle over in this when in the office 651 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: Nike's office is still in the Google building. I pop 652 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: in and then as there's this woman she's no longer there, 653 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: but Aaron who came out and said, Joe, I really, 654 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 3: this is again, this is why you just need people 655 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: to show give you favors. And it's just luck a 656 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: little bit. It's like I looked at this list and 657 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: didn't see your name on it, and I wanted them 658 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: to reach out and I'm glad you're here. I know 659 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: you don't have this much time. I need you to 660 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: come out really come up really quick with music, a 661 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: warm up, a workout, and the cool down. Once you 662 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: present it very quickly in a fifteen minute condensed circuit, 663 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: and then you know, we'll let you go on your way. 664 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: So I'm like, this place is this place is packed, 665 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 3: by the way, like there's all these trainers that look 666 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: super nervous that are auditioning or like preparing for the auditions. 667 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 3: And what's crazy at the time, it's like I still 668 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say aybody's name, but I still remember 669 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: like faces that were there, and you know, it's it's 670 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: crazy that like me being able to then be able 671 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: to get in there and then do well with Nike 672 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: and then eventually they hired me for their forty five 673 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: grand project and then from there. So forty five grand 674 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 3: was the space that Nike had that basically it was 675 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: an invite only kind of studio for media influencers, celebrities, whatever, 676 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: so more in New York City. Yeah, so taking a 677 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: you've been so taking a more like cultivated approach to training. 678 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 3: So this one group class fitness was still big. It 679 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: still is big, but I will argue it's not as relevant, 680 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: but this is when it was as big and they 681 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: were really focused on a group class structure. But for me, 682 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 3: it was a situation of Okay, I know I could 683 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 3: do that, but I also know where I wanted a hedge, 684 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: a bet on where the industry was going. So I 685 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: told them that while I can't do this, I'll earn 686 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: my stripes, so you know, I'll pledge it out. As 687 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: they say, I thought that one on one training is 688 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: going to be the future relatively of training, Integration of 689 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: performance modalities to fitness, making sure women had a comfortable 690 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: space in the gym, and then basically bridging a gap 691 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 3: between running and training for it to be horizontally integrated, 692 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: to make it be one unit for a night yet 693 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: at the time I was still super siloed, so I 694 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 3: knocked a few early opportunities out the park, and again 695 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: it was constantly showing up, and you know, things led 696 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: to one thing, and I guess now I'm here. 697 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: Follow up question number one, do you remember any of 698 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: the music you used in your audition? 699 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: Oh, my god, give me a song. 700 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: Yes, it actually wasn't hip hop, or if you kind 701 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: of know me, it was Tasmi or the DJ's name 702 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: is he was on there, Casette was on there, and 703 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: then probably some like there's definitely one hip hop track. 704 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 3: I can't remember who the. 705 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: So what kind of the second follow up question would 706 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: be in like your normal day to day or like 707 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: a week for you, Like how much of that is 708 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: now working with Nike versus a lot of the other 709 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: obligations you have going on. 710 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: So are you training a lot of. 711 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: Your clients in conjunction with Nike or are you kind 712 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: of doing that more on your own Now it's. 713 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: A mix of both. So Nike still let's be they 714 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: just have their space out of NYHQ, so definitely let 715 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: me use that space. Also trade out of a gym 716 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: performance here in New York City, So it's a mix 717 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: of stuff, but for me right now, it's really about 718 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: like also the all the other responsibilities that I have 719 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 3: now with smart Water, whoop, et cetera. To me, it's 720 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: like id it's ideation to then basically grounded in reality 721 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: because at this point now I'm a knowledge worker where 722 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: I get paid for the manner in which I also 723 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 3: think about things then be able to implement it. So 724 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: there's a large consulting aspect to what like my business is, 725 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 3: especially behind the scenes, but right now it's really just 726 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 3: like an army of one that I'm trying to I'm 727 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 3: trying to figure out. So it's very funny because like 728 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: I get this question a lot, like people always know 729 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 3: I'm up to something, but they don't completely know what 730 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 3: it is that I'm up to, which I kind of 731 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: like because then the needle is completely moved. Then once 732 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 3: you drop it without people knowing completely what you're doing, 733 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 3: they'll just know that and that one is dropped that 734 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 3: it has some sort of value. So what I find 735 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 3: interesting is like this new position I have with smart 736 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 3: Water or whatever, creative director of wellness kind of came 737 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: out of nowhere, but it's very what's very intriguing now 738 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 3: is now that the well and I've had a very 739 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: good conversation a lot of my friends about this. Actually 740 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: inspired me to go after this title because I've been 741 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 3: saying for years, I want to be your creative director 742 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 3: of wellness. The industry is now forever changed, and that's 743 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 3: not even any sense of like glow. But now this 744 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 3: position now exists. It never existed before. So now becomes 745 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: a situation where within all these other companies, within these businesses, 746 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 3: even as smart Water, you know, however long I have it, 747 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 3: even after me, this position now exists. Now there's a 748 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 3: unique opportunity for all of us to basically take a 749 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 3: different role within wellness, to totally revolutionize and evolve it, 750 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 3: which I think is very important. So there's a you know, 751 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 3: there's a very big difference between one of the best 752 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 3: advice that I got from my buddy Virgil Ebba, between 753 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 3: leading the wave and being a part of it. And 754 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 3: if we're going to lead the wave, you have to 755 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 3: be you have to be honest, and you have to 756 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: be not be afraid to make mistakes and push your 757 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 3: neck out there. I understand the issues that I may 758 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 3: have with work with SmartWater. I understand the difficulties that 759 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 3: may arise that I can't be able to get done 760 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: all the things that I want to get done. But 761 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 3: if you really want to push the envelope for it, 762 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 3: I think it's something that had to be done and 763 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 3: I'm very I'm very humbled in honored to be able 764 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 3: to try to figure it out. 765 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: I think what's special also about that title is it's 766 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: not just like director of wellness. I feel like simply 767 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: the word creative director completely shifts the way that someone 768 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: can think about that opportunity. 769 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean, that's what you're design. It's a 770 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 3: there's a design. That's what people don't really realize because 771 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 3: with the class structure and it's a little bit different now, 772 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 3: like you could kind of throw shit at the wall 773 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 3: and hope it sticks, and people kind of go to 774 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 3: it for a show relatively like you, they're not really 775 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: into it for like a quantifiable experience that leads to something. 776 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: When you have to creatively direct something like you have 777 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 3: to craft an experience. You have to craft certain things 778 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 3: that then lead to end products that result in em betterment. 779 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: So my deal is is like every day when somebody 780 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 3: shows up to train with me, they can leave and 781 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: never come back again. And the same could happen with 782 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 3: a class, right, but that will typically refill itself. But like, 783 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 3: if I'm not, in a sense continuously again upgrading their 784 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 3: algorithm to where they're improving, that's my If Nike hires 785 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 3: me to have somebody complete a marathon or pr a 786 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: marathon and they don't, that's my neck. They if somebody 787 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 3: if whatever, If a client is getting ready for the 788 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 3: Victoria's Secret Fashion show and she doesn't look good up there, 789 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: for what it's worth, they're athletes to an extent, like, 790 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 3: that's my neck. So it is just a higher sense 791 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 3: of urgency that's associated with what it is that I 792 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: gotta do, which I like because I like more of 793 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 3: the I like a coaching model rather than an instructor model. 794 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 3: And then I'm trying to then figure out which I've 795 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 3: been able to figure out how to assimilate this quote 796 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: unquote creative direction into existing infrastructures, because that's the only 797 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 3: way we're able going to improve long term the actual 798 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 3: health of the world. I don't care how many followers 799 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 3: you have on Instagram. I will never My thing is 800 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: I knew from the jump, I will never have as 801 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 3: many followers on Instagram as I possibly could, because I 802 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 3: wanted to stand for certain values and play a long 803 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 3: game in which I wanted to be an expert and 804 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 3: a thought leader. I didn't want to be an influencer. 805 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 3: People call me influencer, I'll say straight out, I get upset. 806 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 3: I'm not an influencer. I'm a person of it influence 807 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: because I wanted to work super hard to be good good, 808 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 3: to be good at what it was that I do, 809 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 3: and I want to improve every day. That's why I 810 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 3: go home every day and I realize I'm still not 811 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 3: good enough, and then from there what it becomes. I 812 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 3: don't care how many followers you have. The companies that 813 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 3: have been around have been around for hundreds of years 814 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 3: and have billions of dollars, and you're and people are 815 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 3: so kind of just want to do new age affiliate 816 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 3: marketing and don't want to humble themselves and say, Okay, 817 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 3: you know what, if I can figure out a way 818 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 3: so hopefully improve the world by being a part of 819 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 3: these companies that you know have made mistakes in the 820 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 3: past but want to now evolve because they realize the 821 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: state of existence at which we are. And you don't 822 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 3: realize the influence that they have. Companies are the biggest 823 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 3: influencers in the world. You're not. It's cool you think 824 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: you are, but you're not. So it's that you have 825 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 3: to have skills that could actually be utilized, hopefully the 826 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 3: improvement of health of generations. And that's really what it 827 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 3: is that I want, because you know, that's why I 828 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 3: live in Brooklyn, why I live in Bedstad. I wake 829 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 3: up every day and seeing these kids going to school 830 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 3: with chips or seeing people that are just can't make it. 831 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: And I want to make sure that you know, when 832 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 3: I die, you know, when that time comes, I help 833 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 3: somebody make it. I just didn't help somebody buy a product. 834 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 3: I helped somebody make it. 835 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you what do you want 836 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: your legacy to be, but I think you're kind of 837 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: articulating that already. So what I will touch on is 838 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: you mentioned social media. You mentioned influence. When people come 839 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: to your page, they you got to say it, they're 840 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: going to see some abs. But when you look in 841 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: the mirror, Seriously, when you when you look in the mirror, 842 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 1: I want to know what do you see. 843 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: Who? That's a question. I see, I see a kid 844 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 3: that's slowly becoming a man that is realizing his innate 845 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 3: skill and quote unquote power that he has as he 846 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 3: continuously grows to believe in himself that truly that sometimes 847 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 3: it's tired and sometimes it's upset, that truly wants to 848 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 3: make the world a better place. And I haven't been 849 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 3: able to fully articulate and fully understand what it is 850 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 3: that keeps me going. But I know every day that 851 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 3: I do that I wake that, I wake up and 852 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, let's go get it. It's not because of 853 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 3: that I want anything, but it's that because I know 854 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 3: that there has to there's a deeper reason that I've 855 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 3: been given the skill set that I have. I say 856 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 3: I've given I've been given a twenty year head start 857 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 3: because I've grown up in a in a household that 858 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 3: has taken health and wellness seriously above anybody Else's the 859 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 3: way my dad operates, the way my mom operates. So 860 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 3: I see someone that can be a vehicle for good 861 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 3: that still has to come to terms with, you know, 862 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 3: his own internal struggles, that's continuously growing, like continuously growing 863 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 3: every day too, to become hopefully something greater than he 864 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 3: ever thought he could be. But not because you know, 865 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 3: I want money, although that would help me pay off 866 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 3: my loans, and I you know I've got enough, but 867 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. I just think, like you know, as 868 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 3: my boy Dao says, it's like we need leaders, and 869 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 3: I think we need like true altruistic leaders. 870 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,439 Speaker 2: You didn't think that question was going to go that way, 871 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: did you? 872 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 3: I didn't. It took a turn, but I expect it. 873 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 2: Took a turn. 874 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: What's the most meaningful project that you feel like you've 875 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: been involved with lately? 876 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 3: System of service? 877 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 2: Talk to me a little bit about that real quick. 878 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 3: I think it's a very important overall aspect of wellness. 879 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 3: So system of service. I kind of got the concept 880 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: in college. That was the birth of it. It didn't 881 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 3: come to full fruition. In twenty sixteen, I sat down 882 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 3: with my friend Olivia and I said that I think 883 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 3: service needs it needs to be risen up as the 884 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 3: ultimate value in human existence, and community service oftentimes is 885 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 3: very ugly, it's not well put together. Why can't we 886 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 3: basically create infrastructures, infrastructures for community service that allow people 887 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 3: to take part in their micro communities. Because I think 888 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 3: it's like a lot of people don't realize how close 889 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 3: to home certain things are, especially issues for the world, 890 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 3: like while it is important to do whatever Africa, India, 891 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 3: et cetera. Like people struggling in Brooklyn, people struggling and 892 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: out of boroughs, people struggling in Middle America. It's like, 893 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 3: how can we create how can we use quote unquote 894 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 3: our influence for good? So system of service founded with 895 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 3: my friend Olivia Perez, love her to death. She if 896 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 3: you ever see our text messages, she really keeps me grounded. 897 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 3: But it's just a situation of where can we create 898 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 3: a community that also helps the community. So can we 899 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 3: have people come together to understand issue that are greater 900 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 3: than greater than themselves and also just give back, but 901 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 3: also team up with you know, brands that could also 902 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 3: help us amplify it. So we've done stuff with Nike, 903 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 3: done stuff with Smart Water. We just did something for 904 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 3: Airmax Day, which is basically be partnered with Souls for Souls, 905 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 3: a charity that's kind of grounded in micro enterprise. We 906 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 3: collected used or lightly worn sneakers over four hundred pairs 907 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: and be able to donate them to Souls for Souls 908 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 3: and you know, kind of let them do what it 909 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 3: is that they do, but it's an ever evolving process. 910 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 3: But like that's really I guess that's like my my baby. 911 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 3: It's like that little it's it's me. It's a little 912 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 3: premature kid of the group that took a long time 913 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: to come together. But I think it's starting to grow 914 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 3: a little bit and I'm really excited to see what 915 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,479 Speaker 3: we could do with it because I think, like there's 916 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 3: so many CSR philanthropic goals that these companies have but 917 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 3: don't really know how to best do it. And I 918 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 3: just think our generation is really prime to like set 919 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 3: a different stage on how to accomplish that. 920 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: So aside from aside from being active in that, like 921 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: what else does Joe want right now? 922 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 2: Like what do you want? H means like I want 923 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 2: to nap. 924 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 3: I could say something facetious like I want a girlfriend, 925 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,479 Speaker 3: but I probably don't have enough time for that either. 926 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:52,399 Speaker 3: I want I just want the ability to figure out 927 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 3: the best way to bring my stuff as I'm slowly 928 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 3: but bringing it from like theory to just like real life, 929 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 3: Like what does this look like in like real life? 930 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,959 Speaker 3: Like how can we how can we implement these thought 931 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 3: processes in a different way that actually like exists within 932 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 3: a structure that people can harness a little bit better 933 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 3: because because right now it's like still relatively small. Like 934 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 3: I understand the ability to inspire people through words, et cetera, 935 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: But can we combine the words with also the proper 936 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 3: actions that allow people to level up in distinct ways? 937 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 3: So that's really I just want to crack. That's what 938 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 3: Joe wants, Like, I want to crack. I want to 939 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 3: crack that code. Uh, expeditiously. 940 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 2: I think talking to yourself in the third person helps. 941 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 3: It does happen studied it does. 942 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the host. It's completely serious. 943 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I talk to myself all the time and in 944 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 3: the third person. People think I'm nuts for it, but 945 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 3: I mean I am nuts. 946 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna close this out real quick and 947 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: ask you the final question. You have an opportunity right 948 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: now to offer the Joe holder, who for the second 949 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: time dramatically awful injury in college kind of back on 950 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: the ups, trying to figure out how to get back 951 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: in it, how to get in it in general with 952 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: what's going to happen after that, even an opportunity to 953 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: offer Joe at that point in your life, at that 954 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,919 Speaker 1: hurdle moment a piece of advice, What do you tell 955 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: him looking back on it now. 956 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 3: Hmm uh, getting over that hurdle and that Joe hold 957 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 3: the second time around. I guess what I would tell 958 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 3: them would be to be able to basically trust trust 959 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 3: your instincts when it's grounded in empiricism, because you don't 960 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 3: realize the foresight it is that you have simply because 961 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 3: you spend so much time thinking about the subject matter. 962 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 3: You think that's how everybody operates. Because recently I've been 963 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 3: I've been in a lot of meetings and stuff, and 964 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 3: I've like blown people's minds with things that come so 965 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 3: simple to me, and like literally been told that whatever 966 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 3: I could like tell the future for whether it is 967 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 3: that the industry is going, et cetera, it's like, really, 968 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 3: just trust, just trust yourself. Would you know You've cultivated 969 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 3: that skill set over a very long period of time 970 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 3: where it's not even you being cocky, but it's just 971 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 3: simply because you've immersed yourself so deeply in the subject matter, 972 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 3: trust yourself that the outcomes that you think are unreachable 973 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 3: can be reached and very very and a good example 974 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 3: of that it was your ability to come back from 975 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 3: a broken leg in four and a half weeks, you know, 976 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 3: So the same thing is like trust that ability for 977 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 3: everything else that you do if you know that you're 978 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 3: going to put yourself, full headed, full throttle into it. 979 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: This was so much to take in in such a 980 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: short amount of time, So no, I appreciate you. 981 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 2: I wish you could like drop bombs like this every week. 982 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 2: Yea too soon Part two? Maybe you'll be the first 983 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 2: hurdle start too. 984 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 3: Hey, you know it was? How long is a hurdle podcast? 985 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: Typically typically about like fifteen minutes longer than we probably 986 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: had time for today. 987 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 3: Gotta have a part two. 988 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 2: Got to have a Part two, Joe, thanks so much 989 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 2: for sitting down with me. 990 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: Of course, please take a quick moment and leave a 991 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: review by clicking the link with the description to this episode. 992 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: We all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to 993 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: hear about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at 994 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: hurdle dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and 995 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: Twitter at Hurdle podcast. 996 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,399 Speaker 2: Joe. Where do they find you? Where do they keep 997 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,720 Speaker 2: up with you? Give them the deats. 998 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 3: I'll probably be able to plane somewhere now, but uh, 999 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 3: Jae You can follow me on Instagram at Otosystem. I 1000 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 3: also write on Medium here and there, but Instagram is 1001 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 3: probably the easiest place, So at oto System thank you 1002 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 3: for listening. Drop a note if you liked it, but 1003 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,280 Speaker 3: more importantly, please leave Rava views for Hurdle on iTunes 1004 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 3: or wherever else you may be found. 1005 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 2: You are the best. 1006 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,320 Speaker 1: I am at Emily a body, another hurdle conquered. 1007 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.